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2008-04-02 09:48 < SynergeticMag> the more AI the more real
2008-04-02 09:48 < MonsterWeasel> actual penguins don't talk.
2008-04-02 09:48 < SynergeticMag> false
2008-04-02 09:48 < Demi> in the time of semiconducters of course it was all about silicon valley and texas. i never knew *where* in texas exactly... just, texas.
2008-04-02 09:48 < SynergeticMag> and he warms my coffee when NotACow isn't around
2008-04-02 09:48 < bumm13> Lubbock
2008-04-02 09:48 < Cyrius> wasn't a specific "where" in Texas
2008-04-02 09:49 < bumm13> well, Texas Instruments is in Lubbock, that's about all I know
2008-04-02 09:49 < Demi> i work for a texas company now, actually.
2008-04-02 09:49 < Lycurgus> brown_cat is underage anyway isn't he?
2008-04-02 09:49 < Demi> it's in "the dallas area"
2008-04-02 09:49 < bumm13> Dallas has its share of tech stuff
2008-04-02 09:49 < bumm13> yeah
2008-04-02 09:49 < Lycurgus> (under 15 I mean)
2008-04-02 09:49 < Demi> i have it on good authority that the main industry in texas is shooting immigrants and polluting
2008-04-02 09:49 < SynergeticMag> i dunno
2008-04-02 09:50 < NotACow> Demi: and selling cars
2008-04-02 09:50 < Cyrius> nah, we don't shoot immigrants that much
2008-04-02 09:50 < Cyrius> hard to pay them under minimum wage to do our polluting
2008-04-02 09:50 < MonsterWeasel> not as much as you should, anyway, according to some.
2008-04-02 09:50 < Demi> well, i'vee seen two pretty hefty snippets of what i like to call "documentaries"--that's right, whole snippets--so i'm kind of an expert.
2008-04-02 09:50 < SynergeticMag> wait, when did 15 become the age at which you were underage?
2008-04-02 09:50 * Lycurgus checks TX mimimum wage ...
2008-04-02 09:50 < SynergeticMag> i thought that was 18 or 21
2008-04-02 09:51 < Cyrius> depends on where you are
2008-04-02 09:51 < SynergeticMag> or are you not in the US?
2008-04-02 09:51 < MonsterWeasel> depends on for what
2008-04-02 09:51 < Cyrius> and underage for what
2008-04-02 09:51 < MonsterWeasel> for instance, here you can't be president under 40.
2008-04-02 09:51 < bumm13> I'm old enough to remember cigarette vending machines being more prevalent
2008-04-02 09:51 < Lycurgus> .. currently $5.85. 7 something currently here in NY.
2008-04-02 09:52 < SynergeticMag> underage here is a generalization for drinking/smoking/clubs/bars etc
2008-04-02 09:52 < MonsterWeasel> they're still around here, just not easily engaged
2008-04-02 09:52 < NotACow> ENGAGE THE POOTIE
2008-04-02 09:52 * arcimboldo_ is old enough to remember the Iranian Revolution.
2008-04-02 09:52 < SynergeticMag> bumm13: so am i, unfortunately
2008-04-02 09:52 < bumm13> (but not old enough to remember when liquor ads were first banned on TV)
2008-04-02 09:52 < bumm13> now unbanned
2008-04-02 09:52 < Mark_Ryan> where brown_cat lives, the relevant ages are 16 (for sex) and 18 (for adulthood)
2008-04-02 09:52 < Demi> my personal experience of texas is being put off the train at midnight and spending the night on a bus across east texas--i like to call it the "1001 Prisons: Islands of Light" tour. And then I spend several nights in a Plano hotel without a car, that was pretty hapening. And then I spend a pretty chunky morning, 6-8 hours, in San Antonio while the train was late some more and I remembered the Alamo.
2008-04-02 09:52 < bumm13> zomg flood!
2008-04-02 09:52 < Lycurgus> (just selected 15 as a GUB for ir age)
2008-04-02 09:53 < Lycurgus> *LUB
2008-04-02 09:53 < NotACow> cigarette vending machines are only legal here in places where you must be at least 18 to enter, which pretty much means bars.
2008-04-02 09:53 < bumm13> right
2008-04-02 09:53 < Demi> i remember when they were in the lobby of every restaurant
2008-04-02 09:53 < NotACow> and now that smoking is illegal in bars, they're pretty much gone
2008-04-02 09:53 < SynergeticMag> i haven't been in a bar in a long time...
2008-04-02 09:53 < bumm13> Demi: kind of the same here
2008-04-02 09:53 < bumm13> they were in some lobbies
2008-04-02 09:53 < SynergeticMag> and that was a manager meeting, and i was the only male
2008-04-02 09:53 < SynergeticMag> :X
2008-04-02 09:54 < bumm13> Washington has banned all public building smoking (like California)
2008-04-02 09:54 < NotACow> bumm13: so has illinois
2008-04-02 09:54 < SynergeticMag> 8 beers and 3 bad mistakes mean no more bars
2008-04-02 09:54 < bumm13> Oregon still allows smoking in bars, but that'll change probably in the near future
2008-04-02 09:54 < NotACow> bumm13: you can smoke in your own house, your car, and in the street if you're more than 15 feet from a building.
2008-04-02 09:54 < MonsterWeasel> I remember parent sessions where my mom was the only non-smoker.
2008-04-02 09:54 < Lycurgus> even outside if on the building grounds?
2008-04-02 09:54 < NotACow> bumm13: also, you can smoke in a tobacco store.
2008-04-02 09:54 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-02 09:54 < Demi> none of the bars i go to allow smoking--it's a class thing, now
2008-04-02 09:55 < bumm13> Oregon will probably ban it soon, anyway
2008-04-02 09:55 * MonsterWeasel is very much for a smoking ban where there's food involved
2008-04-02 09:55 < NotACow> Lycurgus: it's legal here to allow smoking on the building grounds as long as it's at least 15 feet from any entrance.
2008-04-02 09:55 < MonsterWeasel> but they have banned it en bloc here
2008-04-02 09:55 < SynergeticMag> NotACow: where are you?
2008-04-02 09:55 < NotACow> SynergeticMag: cook county, illinois
2008-04-02 09:56 < bumm13> basically, in the future, smokers will all have to either smoke in their homes or move to Nevada ;)
2008-04-02 09:56 < SynergeticMag> never going back there, thank you
2008-04-02 09:56 < SynergeticMag> :)
2008-04-02 09:56 < NotACow> SynergeticMag: the entire state of illinois is a non-smoking zone now
2008-04-02 09:56 < Demi> chicagoland is more committed to the free consumption of sausages
2008-04-02 09:56 < SynergeticMag> eeek
2008-04-02 09:56 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-02 09:56 < NotACow> Demi: as long as they do not contain foie gras!
2008-04-02 09:56 < MonsterWeasel> KILLER KIELBASA
2008-04-02 09:56 < Demi> you don't want to tangle with Big Meat
2008-04-02 09:56 < bumm13> foie gras, ick
2008-04-02 09:56 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-04-02 09:57 < NotACow> chicago banned foie gras a year or so ago
2008-04-02 09:57 < bumm13> good
2008-04-02 09:57 < NotACow> and now there's a tax on bottled water
2008-04-02 09:57 < bumm13> !
2008-04-02 09:57 < bumm13> how evil
2008-04-02 09:57 < Demi> where does chicago's water come from? the lake?
2008-04-02 09:57 * Cyrius has never tried foie gras, and doesn't have any particular desire to
2008-04-02 09:57 < MonsterWeasel> is there no recycling?
2008-04-02 09:57 * SynergeticMag takes the Lewis Black arument for Bottled water
2008-04-02 09:57 < NotACow> Demi: yes, and it's some of the best in the nation.
2008-04-02 09:57 < SynergeticMag> argument*
2008-04-02 09:57 < Demi> so the tap water's good?
2008-04-02 09:57 < NotACow> Demi: yes
2008-04-02 09:58 < Demi> that's good, i found it irritating to live somewhere where i didn't like the tap water
2008-04-02 09:58 < bumm13> Milwaukee had a water contamination crisis about 10 years ago, IIRC
2008-04-02 09:58 < Lycurgus> I prolly wouldn't know the place although till my mid twenties didn't know anyplace else (except central IL)
2008-04-02 09:58 < SynergeticMag> wow wait a minute! there exists a place on Earth where the tap water is rated as GOOD?
2008-04-02 09:58 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-04-02 09:58 < NotACow> Demi: there are some communities that have crap water, but that's due to local delivery issues.
2008-04-02 09:58 < bumm13> the Northwest typically has good tapwater
2008-04-02 09:58 * SynergeticMag continues to laugh even though its only mildly funny
2008-04-02 09:58 < MonsterWeasel> I haven't seen bad tap water in Germany for a long time.
2008-04-02 09:58 < NotACow> SynergeticMag: most of wisconsin!
2008-04-02 09:58 < NotACow> wisconsin has GREAT water.
2008-04-02 09:58 < Demi> it's good where i live (but that's a small town), we have a protected, dedicated watershed
2008-04-02 09:58 < MonsterWeasel> I remember some pretty bad one in eastern Germany around 1995
2008-04-02 09:58 < SynergeticMag> calm down now!
2008-04-02 09:59 < bumm13> the east coast of the U.S. has some horrid tapwater
2008-04-02 09:59 < MonsterWeasel> but that was because of the bad tubes
2008-04-02 09:59 < Cyrius> ours has a bit too much chlorine, but you can deal with that
2008-04-02 09:59 * Lycurgus I haven't used anything other than distilled water since about '75.
2008-04-02 09:59 < bumm13> (if it's not piped in from elsewhere like NYC)
2008-04-02 09:59 < MonsterWeasel> the lead and stuff made it all yellow
2008-04-02 09:59 < Cyrius> _distilled_ water? that's going a bit far
2008-04-02 09:59 < MonsterWeasel> there's no chlorated water anywhere here
2008-04-02 09:59 < NotACow> Lycurgus: we get distilled water, as well
2008-04-02 10:00 < NotACow> Lycurgus: tastes better than anything else i've found
2008-04-02 10:00 < Lycurgus> in the beginning got it delivered in 5 gallon bottles
2008-04-02 10:00 < Demi> well, when i lived in santa cruz, the water tasted pretty bad, lot of sulfur and other minerals lending a bad taste
2008-04-02 10:00 < MonsterWeasel> I once heard it was a health hazard
2008-04-02 10:00 < bumm13> Florida and South Carolina had yucky tapwater
2008-04-02 10:00 < Cyrius> they have to put chlorine in around here, or the water would be green and slimy
2008-04-02 10:00 < Demi> and when i lived in SF there would often be times when organism counts were too high for it to be drinkable
2008-04-02 10:00 < NotACow> when we lived in niles, we had water delivered because niles tap water is disgusting
2008-04-02 10:00 < bumm13> Demi: much of California has subpar-tasting water
2008-04-02 10:00 < Lycurgus> switched to supermarket bottles in FL in the 80s
2008-04-02 10:00 < Demi> r "san francisco"
2008-04-02 10:00 < MonsterWeasel> Make sure it's not green and slimy in the first place, problem solved.
2008-04-02 10:00 < NotACow> it's the same greater chicago metropolitan water district water
2008-04-02 10:01 < NotACow> but niles has pipes that are older than richard nixon and they leak something fierce
2008-04-02 10:01 < bumm13> ick
2008-04-02 10:01 < NotACow> so the water tastes like dirt
2008-04-02 10:01 < Cyrius> MonsterWeasel: rather difficult, the surface water here is colonized by anything that metabolizes
2008-04-02 10:01 * SynergeticMag wants to move out near the west coast very, very bad
2008-04-02 10:01 < MonsterWeasel> hm
2008-04-02 10:01 < MonsterWeasel> oversaturated?
2008-04-02 10:01 < SynergeticMag> i hate the east coast
2008-04-02 10:01 < bogdan> "Human-cow hybrid embryo created (www.guardian.co.uk)"
2008-04-02 10:01 < Demi> SynergeticMag - you have to get used to everything being on the other side, though.
2008-04-02 10:01 < NotACow> now that we're in unincorporated cook county, the pipes are newer and the water tastes fine
2008-04-02 10:02 < NotACow> we still use the distilled water for many thins, though
2008-04-02 10:02 < SynergeticMag> Demi: its worth it, i'm still not used to the east coast
2008-04-02 10:02 < NotACow> lake michigan water is very hard
2008-04-02 10:02 < SynergeticMag> hard?
2008-04-02 10:02 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-04-02 10:02 < SynergeticMag> wtf
2008-04-02 10:02 < Lycurgus> mineral laden
2008-04-02 10:02 < Demi> high in mineral content
2008-04-02 10:02 < bumm13> Synergetic: what state are you in?
2008-04-02 10:02 < Cyrius> [[hard water]]
2008-04-02 10:03 < SynergeticMag> i've never heard water described as hard before, lol
2008-04-02 10:03 < SynergeticMag> i'm in Michigan!
2008-04-02 10:03 < Cyrius> it's a standard term
2008-04-02 10:03 < bumm13> ah
2008-04-02 10:03 < SynergeticMag> i used to be in Va
2008-04-02 10:03 < MonsterWeasel> lol, a Dutch painter was called Adriaen van Gaesbeeck
2008-04-02 10:03 < SynergeticMag> ick
2008-04-02 10:03 < SynergeticMag> ick ick ick to Va
2008-04-02 10:03 < Lycurgus> SynergeticMag: it's common in US.
2008-04-02 10:03 < Cyrius> there's soft water and water softeners
2008-04-02 10:03 < MonsterWeasel> Adie van Gasbag
2008-04-02 10:03 < SynergeticMag> hard water is common in US?
2008-04-02 10:03 < bumm13> Demi: tapwater in the Tri-Valley area east of Oakland = nasty
2008-04-02 10:03 < NotACow> SynergeticMag: hard water has high levels of dissolved minerals. soft water doesn't/.
2008-04-02 10:03 < Demi> yeah?
2008-04-02 10:03 < MonsterWeasel> I dislike American ice cubes, too much chlorine
2008-04-02 10:04 < NotACow> SynergeticMag: lake michigan water has high levels of dissolved calcium and magnesium.
2008-04-02 10:04 < Lycurgus> SynergeticMag: yes, both the term and the thing referred to.
2008-04-02 10:04 < bumm13> except in Dublin
2008-04-02 10:04 * SynergeticMag is no expert but hard should never be used to describe water
2008-04-02 10:04 < bumm13> they get their water pumped out of the delta
2008-04-02 10:04 < Lycurgus> especially outside of districts with large water processing facilities
2008-04-02 10:04 < bumm13> (not Dublin, but Livermore-Pleasanton)
2008-04-02 10:04 * NotACow has a meeting
2008-04-02 10:05 < bumm13> it smells kind of like sewage or something
2008-04-02 10:06 < Cyrius> water can be plenty hard in a literal sense
2008-04-02 10:06 < bumm13> yeah, it's called "ice" :)
2008-04-02 10:06 < Cyrius> I meant the liquid kind
2008-04-02 10:06 < Cyrius> ask anybody who's jumped off the golden gate bridge
2008-04-02 10:06 < bumm13> yeah, from a certain altitude
2008-04-02 10:06 < bumm13> *smack*
2008-04-02 10:07 < bumm13> like a bellyflop only lethal :P
2008-04-02 10:07 < MonsterWeasel> "Water has such a force that sometimes, the strongest man cannot hold it."
2008-04-02 10:08 < bumm13> Samson? Hercules?
2008-04-02 10:08 < Mark_Ryan> that's why at diving events at the Olympics, they have a little spray of water onto the surface of the pool water, to break up the surface and make it a little less like concrete in the event of a bellyflop
2008-04-02 10:08 < bumm13> Ahnuld!
2008-04-02 10:08 < bumm13> yeah, I never thought of that
2008-04-02 10:08 < MonsterWeasel> Vehl, zeht ees a hahd tahsk eeven foar mee!
2008-04-02 10:09 < Demi> you could get the same effect by dumping a bunch of detergent in the water
2008-04-02 10:09 < MonsterWeasel> sorry
2008-04-02 10:09 < MonsterWeasel> "dahsk"
2008-04-02 10:09 < Demi> or putting thousands of water striders on it
2008-04-02 10:09 < bumm13> I'd be horribly afraid of jumping off of those platforms into the pool below them
2008-04-02 10:09 < MonsterWeasel> </fake-austrian-accent>
2008-04-02 10:09 < Demi> (maybe not that last one, but it would be awesome to see divers diving into a solid mat of water striders)
2008-04-02 10:09 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-02 10:09 < bumm13> those insects?
2008-04-02 10:10 < Demi> i can't quantify an austrian accent, but i know arnold, wolfgang puck and my mother-in-law when i hear them
2008-04-02 10:10 < Demi> bumm13 - yep
2008-04-02 10:10 < MonsterWeasel> You can get pretty bad tap water by dumping a bunch of detergent in it.
2008-04-02 10:10 < MonsterWeasel> heh, yea.
2008-04-02 10:10 < MonsterWeasel> Adolf never spoke English
2008-04-02 10:10 < bumm13> or dumping lye into it
2008-04-02 10:10 < MonsterWeasel> but his accent like usual in the Salzburg area is more Bavarian than Austrian
2008-04-02 10:11 < Demi> the one thing they all say is "steer" for "stir", which admittedly wolfgang puck and my mother-in-law say more frequently
2008-04-02 10:11 < MonsterWeasel> it's not an awfully frequent word.
2008-04-02 10:11 < MonsterWeasel> in conversation
2008-04-02 10:11 < MonsterWeasel> = gohnversehshn
2008-04-02 10:12 < Demi> and my mother-in-law is austrian but was not actually born in or from austria
2008-04-02 10:12 < Demi> :)
2008-04-02 10:12 < MonsterWeasel> I like Austrian German
2008-04-02 10:12 < bumm13> just ethno-culturally West Markish?
2008-04-02 10:12 < MonsterWeasel> instead of "ein ganz..." = "a very"
2008-04-02 10:12 < Demi> yes, her family actually lived in Hungary
2008-04-02 10:13 < bumm13> ah
2008-04-02 10:13 < MonsterWeasel> they say "a ganz a"
2008-04-02 10:13 < MonsterWeasel> Oh.
2008-04-02 10:13 < MonsterWeasel> few people spoke German as a first language in Hungary by 1918
2008-04-02 10:13 < MonsterWeasel> far fewer than, say, in Bohemia
2008-04-02 10:13 < Demi> she has ancestors that served the emperor
2008-04-02 10:14 < Demi> yes, it was some funny island
2008-04-02 10:14 < bumm13> cool
2008-04-02 10:14 < MonsterWeasel> some of my ancestors served at the Greek court
2008-04-02 10:14 < MonsterWeasel> how they got there of all places I'm powerless to speculate
2008-04-02 10:14 * bumm13 establishes the Grand Duchy of Roseburg
2008-04-02 10:14 < Demi> some of my ancestors ran around naked screwing in the dirt and eating limpets raw
2008-04-02 10:14 < bumm13> wasn't that only 40 years ago?
2008-04-02 10:15 < MonsterWeasel> Martin Van Buren could probably be called the Grand Dutchie of America.
2008-04-02 10:15 < Demi> well, by "some of my ancestors" i mean "me"
2008-04-02 10:15 < MonsterWeasel> hehe
2008-04-02 10:15 < bumm13> haha
2008-04-02 10:15 < Demi> wait, i think where they are from is now in romania
2008-04-02 10:15 < Demi> in the carpathians, anyway
2008-04-02 10:15 < MonsterWeasel> Siebenbürgen...whatsitsname
2008-04-02 10:15 < Demi> i dunno, i always find my historical geography there to get messed upu
2008-04-02 10:16 < MonsterWeasel> Transylvania.
2008-04-02 10:16 < Demi> the place was called sächsisch-regen (sp?) but a place by that name doesn't exist any more
2008-04-02 10:16 < MonsterWeasel> Sounds convincing
2008-04-02 10:17 < bumm13> Sächsisch-regen?
2008-04-02 10:17 < MonsterWeasel> yea
2008-04-02 10:17 < bumm13> hmm
2008-04-02 10:17 < MonsterWeasel> Saxon Regen
2008-04-02 10:17 < Demi> yeah, in this client i can't do the unicode thing, sorry
2008-04-02 10:17 < bumm13> that's fine
2008-04-02 10:17 < MonsterWeasel> where Regen is a place in eastern Bavaria
2008-04-02 10:17 < Lycurgus> the greek monarchy has been essentially german since the early 19th century IIRC; maybe spillover from that
2008-04-02 10:18 < MonsterWeasel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reghin
2008-04-02 10:18 < Demi> she has a... sister, i think, living in saxony now
2008-04-02 10:18 < MonsterWeasel> this one.
2008-04-02 10:18 < Demi> or a niece, yeah, maybe a niece
2008-04-02 10:19 < MonsterWeasel> Saxony is the example commonly used for success in integration of East Germany
2008-04-02 10:19 < Lycurgus> like the Windsors when they were still the Saxe-Coburg-Gothas
2008-04-02 10:19 < MonsterWeasel> but a) they have their share of problems still (especially Nazis) and b) they had a number of headstarts
2008-04-02 10:19 < MonsterWeasel> heh, yea the Ernestines were pretty split up
2008-04-02 10:20 < Demi> the only story i have about someone from saxony is, the relative, she brought her long-suffering monoglot husband over here for a visit (to oregon--every german tourist's dream) and we inflicted root beer floats on him
2008-04-02 10:20 < MonsterWeasel> hehe
2008-04-02 10:21 < MonsterWeasel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wettin#List_of_branches_of_the_House_of_Wettin_and_its_agnatic_descent
2008-04-02 10:21 < MonsterWeasel> bloody hell
2008-04-02 10:21 < Demi> it was one of those awkward situations where everyone is standing around, staring at you eating the root beer float/marmite and mushy peas/kalbsbraan and demanding to know how you like it, and you weakly say, "oh, it's nice"
2008-04-02 10:21 < MonsterWeasel> basically, every little Thuringian county seat had its own duchy by then
2008-04-02 10:22 < MonsterWeasel> heh yea.
2008-04-02 10:22 < MonsterWeasel> culture shock
2008-04-02 10:23 < Demi> i like eating things i would not normally eat, but i don't really want people watching me do it
2008-04-02 10:23 < Lycurgus> like meat?
2008-04-02 10:23 < MonsterWeasel> hehe... especially if you don't know how polite you are expected to be
2008-04-02 10:23 < Demi> these days i don't eat meat exactly so luckily horse and calf brains are off the menu
2008-04-02 10:23 < Demi> right
2008-04-02 10:24 < MonsterWeasel> I've seen people grossed out by far less.
2008-04-02 10:24 < Lycurgus> calf-brains must be cheap these days
2008-04-02 10:25 < Demi> i know if you don't grow up with it, root beer tastes really funny, but i also think the concept of a float, with it's half-melty soda foamy phase and it's still solid ice cream phase, probably seems a strange and not necessarily appetizing concept.
2008-04-02 10:25 < MonsterWeasel> yea, everyone worrying about Creutzfeld-Jacob and stuff
2008-04-02 10:25 < Lycurgus> practically offal. Toxic offal. Should be worthless.
2008-04-02 10:25 < bumm13> Americans abhor the notion of people eating horse meat
2008-04-02 10:25 < bumm13> Demi: you're not accustomed to root beer?
2008-04-02 10:25 < Lycurgus> not entirely
2008-04-02 10:25 < Demi> well, a lot of cultures develop very characteristic and pleasantly peasanty food from "waste" parts
2008-04-02 10:25 < MonsterWeasel> I think root beer tastes like cheap chewing gum
2008-04-02 10:25 < Lycurgus> it was used during The War
2008-04-02 10:25 < MonsterWeasel> I like many American drinks though
2008-04-02 10:26 < Demi> bumm13 - no, i am, it's just i understand that if you aren't, it tastes funny
2008-04-02 10:26 * Demi likes root beer very much
2008-04-02 10:26 < bumm13> I'm not big on root beer, but I like floats fine
2008-04-02 10:26 < bumm13> ah ok
2008-04-02 10:26 < Mahlzahn> Chipmunk brain is a delicacy in Kentucky
2008-04-02 10:26 < MonsterWeasel> Liver is fairly common here but I don't like it
2008-04-02 10:26 < bumm13> eastern Kentucky, probably
2008-04-02 10:26 < Mahlzahn> yeah
2008-04-02 10:26 < Lycurgus> free-range brains should be OK
2008-04-02 10:26 < MonsterWeasel> Liver with apples and onions is bit of a specialty here in Berlin
2008-04-02 10:26 < bumm13> good ol' Appalachia
2008-04-02 10:26 < Demi> even when i was a kid things like rabbit meat and liver and so forth seemed more common
2008-04-02 10:26 < bumm13> liver doesn't seem very appetizing to me
2008-04-02 10:27 < bumm13> both of my parents disliked it
2008-04-02 10:27 < Mahlzahn> they have the highest incidence of KJS in the world, "free-range" or not
2008-04-02 10:27 < Demi> like, we used to eat liver at home, and now i have no idea of anyone who eats it who isn't super old
2008-04-02 10:27 < MonsterWeasel> there's a massive backlash against the narrowing of menus right now.
2008-04-02 10:27 < bumm13> yeah, exactly
2008-04-02 10:27 < MonsterWeasel> nice things to be rediscovered
2008-04-02 10:28 < Lycurgus> Mahlzahn: "they?"
2008-04-02 10:28 < Demi> i don't think you can get rabbit anywhere around here, but growing up i distinctly remember being able to buy it from the local market
2008-04-02 10:28 < bumm13> I've never eaten rabbit meat before
2008-04-02 10:28 < MonsterWeasel> rabbit is expensive though
2008-04-02 10:28 < Mahlzahn> Lycurgus: eastern Kentuckians
2008-04-02 10:28 < MonsterWeasel> it's common enough in Spain for instance
2008-04-02 10:28 < Demi> actually even pork eating is way way down in the u.s.
2008-04-02 10:28 < Demi> americans pretty much eat chicken and beef
2008-04-02 10:28 < bumm13> there are rabbits (well, hares) all over the place, but you can't legally shoot them just to do it
2008-04-02 10:29 < Lycurgus> ah. Didn't know that. Thought there were few cases in US.
2008-04-02 10:29 < Mahlzahn> given that are prolly not more than a few thousand people who live there...
2008-04-02 10:29 < Demi> it's easy to get venison around here, though
2008-04-02 10:30 < TheWeasel> I liked the creativity of soul food, definitely.
2008-04-02 10:30 < TheWeasel> even if some of it is rough-and-tumble
2008-04-02 10:30 < TheWeasel> like tapas in Spain
2008-04-02 10:31 < Demi> "enjoy this fruit of my table. my people know it as Chicken a la King."
2008-04-02 10:31 < bumm13> hmm, there are two seasons: Cottontail and
2008-04-02 10:31 < bumm13> Snowshoe Hare
2008-04-02 10:31 < bumm13> oops
2008-04-02 10:31 < bumm13> * Cottontail and Snowshoe Hare
2008-04-02 10:31 < Lycurgus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt-Jakob_disease#Incidence_and_prevalence indicates essentially near zero US cases.
2008-04-02 10:31 < bumm13> and * Jackrabbit and and Pygmy Rabbit
2008-04-02 10:31 < bumm13> (in Washington state)
2008-04-02 10:32 < bumm13> (-redundant and)
2008-04-02 10:32 < Lycurgus> (though actually implies a few)
2008-04-02 10:32 < bumm13> hmm, the latter is closed statewide
2008-04-02 10:33 < Demi> "and now, let us enjoy a traditional delicacy: the Rice Krispie Treat."
2008-04-02 10:33 < bumm13> heh, no limit on crows or bullfrogs
2008-04-02 10:33 * Demi gets out his gig
2008-04-02 10:34 < bumm13> I think it's legal to go around destroying starlings as well in WA
2008-04-02 10:34 < Mark_Ryan> TimStarlings?
2008-04-02 10:34 < bumm13> (but no other non-game birds)
2008-04-02 10:34 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-02 10:34 * Mark_Ryan decides to go to bed, and waves at the channel
2008-04-02 10:34 < bumm13> nite Mark
2008-04-02 10:34 < Demi> how about scrub jays, are those pest birds?
2008-04-02 10:34 < Demi> l8r
2008-04-02 10:34 < bumm13> not sure
2008-04-02 10:35 < bumm13> just no bag limit on crows
2008-04-02 10:36 < Demi> i've never eaten anything animal-related that was the least bit exotic or unusual
2008-04-02 10:36 < bumm13> me neither
2008-04-02 10:37 < Demi> oh, i take that back, i have eaten the wild limpets
2008-04-02 10:37 < bumm13> heck, I've never eaten rabbit or mutton
2008-04-02 10:37 < Demi> i've eaten vegetarian mutton
2008-04-02 10:37 < Aqwis> mmm whale burger
2008-04-02 10:37 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-02 10:37 < Aqwis> fresh from the whale
2008-04-02 10:37 < bumm13> whiteys can't hunt those here
2008-04-02 10:37 < bumm13> (or even most Natives)
2008-04-02 10:38 < bumm13> only the Makah tribe can hunt whales at all in the U.S.
2008-04-02 10:38 < Demi> is there a section on the hunting license for hunting *the most dangerous prey of all*: MAN?!
2008-04-02 10:39 < SynergeticMag> Demi: there should be, i hate hunters
2008-04-02 10:39 < Demi> mostly i hate ted nugent, and by implication, most hunters
2008-04-02 10:39 < SynergeticMag> agreed
2008-04-02 10:39 < bumm13> haha
2008-04-02 10:39 < bumm13> Ted is definitely red-blooded
2008-04-02 10:39 < Krimpet> it's only issued to Vice Presidents these days -_-
2008-04-02 10:39 < SynergeticMag> amend that - ted and his fucked up wife
2008-04-02 10:39 < Demi> i'm not thrilled with hunting, but it would be hard to get by around here if you hated hunters, it's a pretty common pastime
2008-04-02 10:40 < Demi> Krimpet - ah, very exclusive
2008-04-02 10:40 < bumm13> who is his wife?
2008-04-02 10:41 < SynergeticMag> a moron
2008-04-02 10:41 < SynergeticMag> thats all you need to know
2008-04-02 10:41 < SynergeticMag> anyone married to ted nugent is a basket case
2008-04-02 10:41 < SynergeticMag> married AND agrees with im
2008-04-02 10:41 < SynergeticMag> him*
2008-04-02 10:42 < SynergeticMag> man my talk page is blowing up
2008-04-02 10:42 < Demi> go out for some bowhunting to relax
2008-04-02 10:42 < Krimpet> very misleadingly, my first introduction to Nugent was that great episode of ATHF
2008-04-02 10:43 < SynergeticMag> i missed that one
2008-04-02 10:43 < SynergeticMag> i've only got season one :(
2008-04-02 10:44 < SynergeticMag> Krimpet: if you can see this i'm doing it as hard as i can
2008-04-02 10:44 * SynergeticMag smirks
2008-04-02 10:45 < SynergeticMag> Krimpet: by the way, you're welcome for the barnstar!
2008-04-02 10:45 < Krimpet> SynergeticMag: hmm?
2008-04-02 10:46 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKrimpet&diff=202805056&oldid=202723310
2008-04-02 10:46 < SynergeticMag> :/
2008-04-02 10:46 < Krimpet> oh, /me is in class, not on WP :p
2008-04-02 10:46 < Krimpet> ty. :)
2008-04-02 10:46 * Cyrius read "pornstar" and was then disappointed
2008-04-02 10:46 < SynergeticMag> ah
2008-04-02 10:46 < SynergeticMag> heh
2008-04-02 10:47 < SynergeticMag> yeah i mass/spammed about 100 editor talk pages
2008-04-02 10:47 < SynergeticMag> approx. 110 to be more like it
2008-04-02 11:10 < HumbertHumbert> Never up until today did I know that there is one such thing as a "Graduate school"...
2008-04-02 11:10 < HumbertHumbert> People actually go to another school after college? Wow...
2008-04-02 11:11 < Mbimmler> there have been reports of people who wrote PhD theses...
2008-04-02 11:11 < HumbertHumbert> Mbimmler: Is that for me? If so, what do you mean?
2008-04-02 11:12 < Mbimmler> I am surprised that you are surprised that there are people who pursue education after college
2008-04-02 11:12 < Mbimmler> but maybe I just misunderstood you
2008-04-02 11:13 < HumbertHumbert> I just think it sounds weird.
2008-04-02 11:13 < SynergeticMag> yeah it does
2008-04-02 11:13 < Mbimmler> ah...you're referring to the 'school' in 'graduate school'. Sorry, I indeed missed your point
2008-04-02 11:14 < SynergeticMag> sort of like "after dinner meal"
2008-04-02 11:14 < HumbertHumbert> I mean going to school post college. Not going to a different school during the evening.
2008-04-02 11:18 < spectie> Mbimmler, its strange for people in the UK to hear 'school' used to refer to university
2008-04-02 11:18 < spectie> and strange for us to hear 'college' used to refer to university too, although that is more understood i think
2008-04-02 11:18 < Demi> sorry to blow your mind, but there is also postgraduate education
2008-04-02 11:18 < Demi> i mean postdoctorate
2008-04-02 11:18 < Mbimmler> spectie: I see... Well, it's easy in Germany, we just refer to "University" all the time
2008-04-02 11:19 < spectie> Mbimmler, same in the UK
2008-04-02 11:19 < Mbimmler> s/Germany/German
2008-04-02 11:19 < TheWeasel> "Die Ausdehnung des Gebietes erstreckt sich hauptsächlich..."
2008-04-02 11:19 < TheWeasel> Yay for duplications
2008-04-02 11:19 < Lycurgus> in US "college" means post secondary education generally
2008-04-02 11:19 < TheWeasel> "The extent of the are extends mainly..."
2008-04-02 11:19 < TheWeasel> *area
2008-04-02 11:19 < spectie> college in the UK is largely 16 -- 18 education
2008-04-02 11:20 < HumbertHumbert> Is there an age limit for how old you can be in college?
2008-04-02 11:20 < Lycurgus> no it isn't
2008-04-02 11:20 < spectie> HumbertHumbert, nope
2008-04-02 11:20 < Lycurgus> that would be juniors and seniors in high school
2008-04-02 11:20 < spectie> my mother is doing her PhD at the age of 50-something
2008-04-02 11:20 < spectie> Lycurgus, in the UK one can leave school at 16, and go onto vocational training, college or 6th form
2008-04-02 11:20 < Mbimmler> there are 90-years-old who still do their bachelor
2008-04-02 11:20 < spectie> 6th form is usually provided within the secondary school
2008-04-02 11:22 < Lycurgus> people can start "college" here earlier too but they need to be "gifted" or something.
2008-04-02 11:22 < HumbertHumbert> So I can be 50+ and drool around young babes? Cool.
2008-04-02 11:22 < spectie> HumbertHumbert, yup
2008-04-02 11:22 < Lycurgus> it does happen. Then it gets a human interest story like "12 year old starts harvard studies"
2008-04-02 11:23 < spectie> Lycurgus, in the UK college does not refer to university education
2008-04-02 11:23 < spectie> but rather something ranging from a-levels to vocational qualifications
2008-04-02 11:23 < spectie> with many different types of courses in between
2008-04-02 11:23 < Lycurgus> nobodt thinks to question how fucked up the system really is but they constantly bitch and reform
2008-04-02 11:23 < Lycurgus> basically flogging a dead horse.
2008-04-02 11:23 < Lycurgus> *nobody
2008-04-02 11:24 < TheWeasel> It's like putting *more* gas into a car which has no wheels.
2008-04-02 11:24 < TheWeasel> Similar here
2008-04-02 11:25 < Lycurgus> oh no it's not
2008-04-02 11:25 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-04-02 11:25 < Lycurgus> the german schulwesen is nowhee near
2008-04-02 11:25 < Lycurgus> as fucked up as the US is
2008-04-02 11:25 < Lycurgus> on average
2008-04-02 11:26 < TheWeasel> they're obsessing about this PISA OECD study which nobody cared about
2008-04-02 11:26 < TheWeasel> except Germans
2008-04-02 11:26 < Lycurgus> high income school districts would tend to be on par with the german gymnasium track
2008-04-02 11:26 < Mbimmler> and the Swiss
2008-04-02 11:26 < Demi> it's like when you're at a restaurant, and you're an older jewish lady, and you say, with a comical yiddish accent, "Ugh! The food here is terrible!" and your friend says, "And the portions--so small!"
2008-04-02 11:26 < TheWeasel> American schools put emphasis on very useful things though
2008-04-02 11:26 < TheWeasel> German schools are rather dry
2008-04-02 11:27 < Mbimmler> useful things being?
2008-04-02 11:27 < TheWeasel> well, methodology
2008-04-02 11:27 < TheWeasel> far more innovative
2008-04-02 11:27 < TheWeasel> But I think we're doing better in literature and such.
2008-04-02 11:27 < Demi> american schools vary widely
2008-04-02 11:27 < Mbimmler> I'm not yet sure what you mean with methodology...
2008-04-02 11:27 < TheWeasel> very metaphysical people, we are
2008-04-02 11:27 < Mbimmler> scientific methods?
2008-04-02 11:27 < TheWeasel> well no
2008-04-02 11:27 < TheWeasel> methods of learning
2008-04-02 11:27 < Mbimmler> ah
2008-04-02 11:28 < Mbimmler> yeah, you've got a point there
2008-04-02 11:28 < TheWeasel> more cooperation, more diverse forms of scientific expression
2008-04-02 11:28 < TheWeasel> the New World wants engineers and very little else
2008-04-02 11:28 < TheWeasel> that's kind of sad.
2008-04-02 11:29 < Mbimmler> hm, I can't complain about my (Swiss) school in that respect. Though on the other hand, I'm doing the International Baccalaureate and so this might be else than the normal curriculum
2008-04-02 11:29 < TheWeasel> yea, I dunno.
2008-04-02 11:30 < TheWeasel> (kind of sad for someone who likes text-related sciences like myself
2008-04-02 11:30 < TheWeasel> as opposed to number-related ones
2008-04-02 11:31 < Mbimmler> well, the IB allowed me to choose quite freely here
2008-04-02 11:31 < Demi> we always hear about how universities should be turning out math and science graduates, however, in the application of actual education i don't know how strong that pressure really is
2008-04-02 11:31 < Mbimmler> and as I'm anyway in a school strong in languages
2008-04-02 11:32 < Mbimmler> I ended up with 3 languages in 6 subjects, + Geography, Biology and Maths
2008-04-02 11:32 * TheWeasel had English and German in the final exams, and French and Latin as simple subjects
2008-04-02 11:33 < Mbimmler> true, I had French as well for my Swiss degree
2008-04-02 11:33 < Mbimmler> and German, English and Latin for the IB
2008-04-02 11:33 < Mbimmler> s/had/have
2008-04-02 11:33 < TheWeasel> my school was fair enough in languages, right now with the current emphasis on the natural sciences they're turning out thousands of well-qualified scientists who cannot spell.
2008-04-02 11:33 < Demi> a pet peeve of mine
2008-04-02 11:34 < Mbimmler> lol, that's why I'm glad that I'm in the "Literargymnasium" and not in the "Mathematisch-Naturwissenschaftliches Gymnasium"...
2008-04-02 11:34 < ggreer> TheWeasel: engineers get stuff done. lit majors talk about stuff :P
2008-04-02 11:35 * TheWeasel was on a Gesamtschule and it was far more difficult than what my sibling on a Gymnasium did
2008-04-02 11:35 < TheWeasel> "getting things done" is the paradigm, yea.
2008-04-02 11:35 < TheWeasel> very pragmatic
2008-04-02 11:35 < ggreer> indeed
2008-04-02 11:35 < ggreer> except we often use engineering skills for ridiculous stuff
2008-04-02 11:36 < TheWeasel> it's like in Marxism, for every work of art people ask "cui bono"
2008-04-02 11:36 < Demi> there's nothing wrong with engineering, but it shouldn't mean you have a poor education otherwise, and it especially shouldn't mean you can't communicate effectively.
2008-04-02 11:36 < TheWeasel> if it doesn't serve a practical cause, people get all fussy
2008-04-02 11:36 < TheWeasel> heh yea
2008-04-02 11:37 < ggreer> I agree that writing skills are necessary in every line of work, but not everyone needs to read james joyce and t.s. eliot
2008-04-02 11:37 < TheWeasel> plus people who don't know history are condemned to repeat it, as the old adage goes
2008-04-02 11:37 < Demi> well, and it's esay (when ignorant outside your field) to have a really narrow definition of "practical" or "benefit"
2008-04-02 11:37 < TheWeasel> so science can never be entirely headless
2008-04-02 11:38 < TheWeasel> It helps to read T.S. Eliot if you want to know what war is.
2008-04-02 11:38 < bumm13> TheWeasel: I tried pitting two chess programs against each other a few days ago
2008-04-02 11:38 < TheWeasel> don't know about how Joyce adds up against, say, a laptop manual
2008-04-02 11:38 < TheWeasel> How'd it go?
2008-04-02 11:39 < Demi> TheWeasel - uh, i didn't spend all those years playing dungeons and dragons and not learn a little about courage.
2008-04-02 11:39 < bumm13> well, once I got properly situated, it went about 34 moves
2008-04-02 11:39 < TheWeasel> hehe
2008-04-02 11:39 < ggreer> TheWeasel: if the laptop manual is poorly written by some chinese guy then they're about the same
2008-04-02 11:39 < bumm13> gnuchess appeared to defeat Chess (MS Ent. Pack)
2008-04-02 11:39 < Aqwis> <TheWeasel> they're obsessing about this PISA OECD study which nobody cared about
2008-04-02 11:39 < Aqwis> heh
2008-04-02 11:39 < TheWeasel> the Microsoft chess engine for Vista is a complete joke
2008-04-02 11:39 < bumm13> but something screwed up with one of the programs so I'm not 100% certain
2008-04-02 11:40 < Aqwis> norway's result in that study was like the most "important" thing in the news for a month here
2008-04-02 11:40 < TheWeasel> Heh, it still is for three years
2008-04-02 11:40 < bumm13> this is the old Entertainment Pack version from 1992
2008-04-02 11:40 < bumm13> it's not too bad
2008-04-02 11:40 < ggreer> what about OS X chess?
2008-04-02 11:40 < TheWeasel> I happen to know quite a bit about how it happened that Germany did so badly.
2008-04-02 11:40 < Aqwis> you did better than norway :p
2008-04-02 11:40 < TheWeasel> We did?
2008-04-02 11:40 < bumm13> aka NeXT chess
2008-04-02 11:40 < TheWeasel> Heh.
2008-04-02 11:40 < TheWeasel> Nobody took it seriously.
2008-04-02 11:40 < Aqwis> well, at least according to the propaganda(tm)
2008-04-02 11:41 < Demi> any form of computer chess can effortlessly and humiliatingly hand my ass to me in short order.
2008-04-02 11:41 < TheWeasel> It was basically extra free time
2008-04-02 11:41 < bumm13> Demi: same here, that's why I played the programs against each other
2008-04-02 11:41 < TheWeasel> But Deep Junior for instance does it with style
2008-04-02 11:41 < Aqwis> although we get good results in how-much-do-they-like-school studies
2008-04-02 11:41 < Aqwis> which i think is important ... but most do not
2008-04-02 11:42 < bumm13> gnuchess was using up to 9-10 "depth" at times when contemplating moves
2008-04-02 11:42 * TheWeasel is just analyzing at ply 17
2008-04-02 11:42 < TheWeasel> Fritz 11 reaches that quite effortlessly thanks to fairly aggressive pruning
2008-04-02 11:42 < TheWeasel> Well, it depends on the position
2008-04-02 11:43 < TheWeasel> it takes longer in uncombative opening positions
2008-04-02 11:43 < Demi> my only effective strategy is to rig one of the pieces to explode
2008-04-02 11:43 < bumm13> yeah, I wasn't using any fancy chess programs here
2008-04-02 11:43 < TheWeasel> that's kind of impractical against a computer :-P
2008-04-02 11:44 < TheWeasel> there was a German master of the 1920s called Carl Carls who always used to open with the c-pawn
2008-04-02 11:44 < TheWeasel> so his mates once glued it to the board
2008-04-02 11:45 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-02 11:45 < TheWeasel> they had to crawl on the floor for a couple of minutes before they could go on
2008-04-02 11:45 < Demi> i don't like that letter thing
2008-04-02 11:45 < bumm13> notation?
2008-04-02 11:45 < Demi> that kind
2008-04-02 11:45 < bumm13> you can mix old and new notation
2008-04-02 11:45 < TheWeasel> P-QB3!
2008-04-02 11:45 < TheWeasel> or c4
2008-04-02 11:46 < bumm13> (to indicate what type of piece moved)
2008-04-02 11:46 < bumm13> I prefer the grid notation though (letters)
2008-04-02 11:46 < TheWeasel> Bobby Fischer used descriptive notation sometimes
2008-04-02 11:46 < Borbus> Is there like a peer review for diagrams?
2008-04-02 11:47 < TheWeasel> (and Bobby Fischer is God, because he hates commies.)
2008-04-02 11:48 < TheWeasel> if you disagree, Usenet strikes against you.
2008-04-02 11:48 < bumm13> I'm not good at anything requiring too much strategy
2008-04-02 11:48 < TheWeasel> you prefer senseless, random violence?
2008-04-02 11:48 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-04-02 11:48 < bumm13> yes!
2008-04-02 11:48 < gwern> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/04/01/funny-pictures-to-keep-a-black-mouse-down/ <-- go go Oratma! We believe in hope!
2008-04-02 11:49 * TheWeasel pictures a small man with a very large gun giving a high-pitched manic laughter, firing randomly about
2008-04-02 11:49 < bumm13> does pinball count as senseless, random violence?
2008-04-02 11:49 < nsh> depends on the level of transference
2008-04-02 11:49 < TheWeasel> Can.
2008-04-02 11:50 * TheWeasel wonders where he's seen that image before
2008-04-02 11:50 < ggreer> TheWeasel: in some states that could be totally legal depending on the place/season
2008-04-02 11:50 < TheWeasel> Yep.
2008-04-02 11:52 * TheWeasel does a shootout of a promising line of Albin's Countergambit
2008-04-02 11:53 < TheWeasel> hm, not so promising after all
2008-04-02 11:54 < TheWeasel> 9...Ng4!? won't be enough
2008-04-02 11:55 < TheWeasel> ah, there's some improvement
2008-04-02 11:57 < bumm13> we can't here the other side of this conversation ;)
2008-04-02 11:58 < bumm13> *hear
2008-04-02 11:58 < TheWeasel> I'm shouting at the screen
2008-04-02 11:58 < TheWeasel> .-D
2008-04-02 11:58 < bumm13> :)
2008-04-02 11:58 < TheWeasel> Take that, f2!
2008-04-02 11:58 < bumm13> oh dear, you lost an eye
2008-04-02 12:02 < Cometstyles> hehw
2008-04-02 12:03 < TheWeasel> Yay, black is winning after all
2008-04-02 12:05 < TheWeasel> "You lost your arms in battle! But you grew some nice..."
2008-04-02 12:05 < TheWeasel> Never mind
2008-04-02 12:06 < Cyrius> what?
2008-04-02 12:07 < TheWeasel> that's from Men In Tights
2008-04-02 12:08 < TheWeasel> "group of classes"
2008-04-02 12:08 < TheWeasel> heh
2008-04-02 12:08 < Cyrius> haven't seen that in a long time
2008-04-02 12:33 < NotACow> http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/30581756
2008-04-02 12:45 < NotACow> RUN! HIDE! ROGUE KITTEN ALERT!
2008-04-02 12:46 < Cometstyles> O_O
2008-04-02 13:07 < Working_Cat> meow?
2008-04-02 13:09 < NotACow> neow
2008-04-02 13:09 < Working_Cat> neo
2008-04-02 13:10 < Working_Cat> did my first useful work today at the new job :D
2008-04-02 13:13 < Working_Cat> no one to appreciate/say something mean?
2008-04-02 13:17 * Demi tries paprika and onion powder
2008-04-02 13:17 < Demi> good, Working_Cat
2008-04-02 13:17 * Working_Cat purrs
2008-04-02 13:31 < nazgjunk> what was that middle east country again that got banned once because all their traffic runs through one proxy?
2008-04-02 13:31 < snowolf> nazgjunk: Dubai I think
2008-04-02 13:31 < snowolf> or was it Kuwait?
2008-04-02 13:31 < snowolf> proably the latter
2008-04-02 13:31 < nazgjunk> i'm thinking kuwait
2008-04-02 13:32 < morwen> |It was Qatar actually
2008-04-02 13:32 < Mbimmler> I thought qutar
2008-04-02 13:32 < Mbimmler> qatar
2008-04-02 13:32 < snowolf> oh yeah
2008-04-02 13:32 < NotACow> happened to serbia once too
2008-04-02 13:32 < snowolf> Italy's still blocked on Wikia
2008-04-02 13:33 < snowolf> and they can't care less
2008-04-02 13:33 < NotACow> snowolf: well, duh, there's nothing worth doing on wikia
2008-04-02 13:33 < Working_Cat> snowolf: why
2008-04-02 13:33 < Working_Cat> as in why were they blocked
2008-04-02 13:34 < snowolf> Working_Cat: too much work
2008-04-02 13:35 < Working_Cat> what
2008-04-02 13:35 < snowolf> there is an italian vandal, so they blocked the whole Telecom Italia (>80% of Italy) to solve the problem
2008-04-02 13:36 < snowolf> the block has been there for years, but they don't care
2008-04-02 13:36 < Aqwis> ban vandal fighters tbh
2008-04-02 13:39 < NotACow> snowolf: heh