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2008-04-02 00:33 < The359> yes, thank you, hadn't noticed that a billion times already
2008-04-02 00:33 < nokmar> I'm a noob, though.
2008-04-02 00:33 < The359> I hadn't noticed that either
2008-04-02 00:55 < atm> hi wassup?
2008-04-02 00:55 < atm> any body there..........
2008-04-02 00:55 < Mark_Ryan> not much, wattup wit you?
2008-04-02 00:56 < atm> ok what are you into?
2008-04-02 00:56 < atm> what's your aim?
2008-04-02 00:57 < Mark_Ryan> I don't really have an aim in life. I need to set some goals.
2008-04-02 00:57 < Mark_Ryan> What is your aim?
2008-04-02 00:57 < Mark_Ryan> And do you think you'll achieve it in the near future?
2008-04-02 00:57 < Golbez> my aim is to ride the monkapotamus
2008-04-02 00:57 < atm> no I think you will
2008-04-02 00:58 < atm> :)
2008-04-02 00:58 < atm> Golbez what's the aim of your life?
2008-04-02 00:59 < Golbez> i said.
2008-04-02 00:59 < Golbez> monkapotamus.
2008-04-02 00:59 < Golbez> i'm gonna ride it.
2008-04-02 00:59 < atm> ok
2008-04-02 00:59 < atm> best wishes
2008-04-02 00:59 < Golbez> but enough with the drew carey show inside jokes
2008-04-02 00:59 < atm> ;)
2008-04-02 00:59 < Golbez> to live well, live long, live rich, and fuck Kristen Bell
2008-04-02 00:59 < Golbez> and really, what else can any man ask for
2008-04-02 00:59 < atm> who is Kristen Bell???
2008-04-02 01:00 < Golbez> actress in, among other things, Veronica Mars, Heroes, and Forgetting Sarah Marshall
2008-04-02 01:00 < atm> monkapotamus???
2008-04-02 01:00 < Golbez> monkapotamus is an obscure Drew Carey Show joke. =p
2008-04-02 01:00 < Golbez> half monkey, half hippopotamus
2008-04-02 01:00 < Mark_Ryan> the Drew Carey show was obscure in itself.
2008-04-02 01:01 < atm> me loging out mom there bye.. see you later...
2008-04-02 01:01 < Mark_Ryan> how odd.
2008-04-02 01:01 < Golbez> indeed
2008-04-02 01:02 < Mark_Ryan> I think he/she was asking for my AOL Instant Messenger, not my life's aim
2008-04-02 01:02 < Golbez> lol
2008-04-02 01:04 < denelson83> LOL
2008-04-02 01:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Anyone here familiar with the Fire Emblem series?
2008-04-02 01:18 < Ceiling_Cat> teeeheee
2008-04-02 01:18 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.engadget.com/photos/deutsche-telekom-t-mobile-demands-engadget-mobile-discontinue-using-the-color-magenta/725824/
2008-04-02 01:18 < Ceiling_Cat> T-Mobile claims a trademark on the color magenta
2008-04-02 01:20 < Infornographer> It has a trademark on that specific tone of magenta.
2008-04-02 01:20 < Infornographer> What's the problem with that?
2008-04-02 01:20 < Infornographer> I mean, UPS has a trademark on that specific color of brown, lol.
2008-04-02 01:20 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, I just posted my first blog posting. Interested?
2008-04-02 01:25 < The359> is it ironic that the ad at the bottom of the page is for T-Mobile?
2008-04-02 01:25 < Infornographer> A trademark doesn't mean they own that color...
2008-04-02 01:29 < Krimpet> what can brown do for you?
2008-04-02 01:30 < ggreer> damn you taxes. I owe the gub'mint $98
2008-04-02 01:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Infornographer - that is what they are claiming
2008-04-02 01:30 < zocky> i seriously doubt you can have a trademark on a colour
2008-04-02 01:30 < Demifish> ggreer, also, meet the franchise tax board.
2008-04-02 01:31 < ggreer> zocky: ... and I thought the TSA wasn't stupid enough to ban a phase of matter
2008-04-02 01:31 < ggreer> but I totally underestimate stupidity
2008-04-02 01:31 < ggreer> Demifish: the what?
2008-04-02 01:31 < Infornographer> CC: Hardly, they're claiming they have a trademark on that color.
2008-04-02 01:31 < Infornographer> Not that they own it.
2008-04-02 01:32 < Demifish> i was going to make some kind of joke about what magenta can do for me, but except for the nipple thing, she's strictly meh.
2008-04-02 01:32 < Demifish> ggreer - personal income tax authority for california
2008-04-02 01:32 < zocky> Ceiling_Cat, maybe they have copyright on the word "00FFFF"?
2008-04-02 01:32 < ggreer> isn't magenta FF00FF?
2008-04-02 01:32 < Infornographer> Basically, a trademark means that within the trade they've established a certain, well, mark. For them, they claim that it's this color. For a court to rule against someone else for using it would require demonstrating that, essentially, the other company is trying to steal sales by deceptively emulating T-Mobile.
2008-04-02 01:33 < zocky> ah, yes
2008-04-02 01:33 < zocky> FF00FF it is
2008-04-02 01:33 < zocky> for some reason, I always think it's GRB
2008-04-02 01:33 < ggreer> Demifish: I don't know what that is
2008-04-02 01:33 < Demifish> in my opinion, precisely because a mere color is insufficient to identify a brand, it would be unsuitable as a trademark, but i'm not a lawyer (shocker)
2008-04-02 01:34 < Infornographer> Even then, companies need to actively legally attempt to maintain their trademarks or be forced to lose them. Consider when Adobe tried to outlaw all uses of Photoshop without the word Adobe in front of it.
2008-04-02 01:34 < Demifish> ggreer - the franchise tax board is where you mail your check for state income tax
2008-04-02 01:34 < Infornographer> Demifish: try telling that to UPS.
2008-04-02 01:34 < ggreer> didn't they already take the taxes out of my wages?
2008-04-02 01:34 * The359 thinks H&R Block is pretty identifiable by a simple green square
2008-04-02 01:35 < Demifish> ggreer - they took some of your federal taxes out, as well, you still have to file a return
2008-04-02 01:35 < zocky> <<Four founding members of the rock band Velvet Revolver said on Tuesday they were splitting with the group's troubled singer, Scott Weiland, citing his "increasingly erratic" behavior.>>
2008-04-02 01:35 < zocky> that seems to be a pattern
2008-04-02 01:35 < Infornographer> Adobe tried to make it illegal for people to call image altering photoshopping. Not because they didn't love that their product had become synonymous with image manipulation, but rather because if they didn't attempt to raise a legal issue over it they'd risk losing the trademark, and then any company could call their product a photoshopper even though they thought of it first.
2008-04-02 01:35 < ggreer> that's so lame. over 1/3rd of my money goes to taxes before I even get to spend it irresponsibly :(
2008-04-02 01:35 < atm> i'm back
2008-04-02 01:36 < Demifish> welcome to california, washingtonian!
2008-04-02 01:36 < Demifish> (you are from washington, right?)
2008-04-02 01:36 < Infornographer> A company that defends a trademark doesn't make a claim to own the entity in the trademark, just the right to use of that entity within a very specific market in the interest of protecting themselves from imitators and frauds.
2008-04-02 01:36 < zocky> ggreer, you're one of those people that don't drive on public roads, huh?
2008-04-02 01:37 < Infornographer> This has the end result of protecting consumers, too. I don't know if you've ever been to, say, the Middle East, but they have tons of trademark knockoffs that make finding the real deal excruciatingly difficult.
2008-04-02 01:37 < ggreer> Demifish: close enough. I was born in the UK, moved to alabama, then guam, then washington, then new york
2008-04-02 01:37 < ggreer> and now cali
2008-04-02 01:37 < Demifish> hehe, "all the great things the state government does for you in relation to the taxes you pay" is a terribly unconvincing argument in california, zocky
2008-04-02 01:38 < zocky> Demifish, btw, what's your other hald?
2008-04-02 01:38 < zocky> *half
2008-04-02 01:38 < Demifish> probably an amphibian or something
2008-04-02 01:38 < Demifish> or maybe it's another fish living symbiotically in my mouth
2008-04-02 01:38 < ggreer> zocky: I pay taxes on gas for that, right? and when I bought my car and motorcycle I had to pay sales tax on them, and then pay to register them in cali
2008-04-02 01:38 < ggreer> and they already took money out of my wages
2008-04-02 01:39 < zocky> well, they could've taken 60% out of your wage and abolished the other taxes, but they're trying to balance stuff
2008-04-02 01:40 < ggreer> heh, "Ottoman Turkish Empire Settlement Payments" under other income. awesome
2008-04-02 01:40 < Demifish> public management and services in california are terrible
2008-04-02 01:41 < ggreer> yeah, if it wasn't for the weather california would suck
2008-04-02 01:41 < zocky> Demifish, but they certainly aren't free, and i'm guessing more than half the money is well spent, as is everywhere
2008-04-02 01:41 < Demifish> i wouldn't wager that at all, zocky
2008-04-02 01:41 < zocky> if services suck, they need to be sorted out. if money is getting stolen, people need to go to jail. whining about taxes is just childish.
2008-04-02 01:42 < Demifish> ggreer comes from a state with a different tax structure, and no personal income tax, which is all i was pointing out.
2008-04-02 01:42 < ggreer> oh cool, I get a refund from cali
2008-04-02 01:43 < ggreer> yeah, I come from the great state of freedom where there is no income tax and you can buy stuff in nearby states that have low/no sales tax
2008-04-02 01:43 < zocky> i'm sure you all pay much less tax and other stuff as I do, anyway :)
2008-04-02 01:43 < zocky> *than
2008-04-02 01:43 < zocky> it's something like 45-55% here
2008-04-02 01:43 < Demifish> i wonder
2008-04-02 01:44 < Demifish> that's not too far off, for me
2008-04-02 01:44 < zocky> plus, another 20% on VAT for everything you buy
2008-04-02 01:44 < ggreer> zocky: yeah, but you have health care
2008-04-02 01:44 < zocky> ggreer, what's left of it
2008-04-02 01:44 < ggreer> and your government doesn't spend money on stuff like nukes
2008-04-02 01:44 < Demifish> i think i'm in the 37% or so federal bracket, and you can add about a, what, 8% state income tax on that and property taxes
2008-04-02 01:44 < ggreer> and space ships, and wars
2008-04-02 01:45 < zocky> ah, we spend money on buying your weapons
2008-04-02 01:45 < Demifish> yeah, grumbling about taxes is really grumbling about where and how the government allocates resources, which is not only legitimate but the duty of every citizen
2008-04-02 01:45 < zocky> and sending soldiers to kosovo and afghanistan
2008-04-02 01:45 < zocky> we even sent two soldiers to iraq
2008-04-02 01:46 < Demifish> ah, coalitionizing the willing
2008-04-02 01:46 < ggreer> Demifish: and sales tax on tons of stuff. not to mention a large portion of your income probably goes to rent/mortgage
2008-04-02 01:46 < Demifish> well, i don't pay sales tax
2008-04-02 01:46 < zocky> yeah, our foreign minister signed the statement that we believe everything powell said in UN was true
2008-04-02 01:46 < ggreer> so your final "I can spend this money on whatever I want" amount isn't very much
2008-04-02 01:46 < Demifish> and i have a small mortgage (but a welcome one for the tax benefits)
2008-04-02 01:47 < Demifish> well, to be honest the tax burden doesn't bother me a whole lot, i just don't think the tax rate in the u.s. is as short as one might assume it to be, given government services
2008-04-02 01:48 * nsh smiles
2008-04-02 01:48 < zocky> of course, you pay much less tax on gas
2008-04-02 01:48 < ggreer> Demifish: exactly. either provide better services or have fewer taxes
2008-04-02 01:48 < nsh> or mortage the future of the economy with fractional reserve banking
2008-04-02 01:48 < nsh> oh wait :-/
2008-04-02 01:50 < Demifish> well, there's no reason you can't have disastrous financial foresight, high taxes *and* low services
2008-04-02 01:50 < zocky> of course, you are giving huge amounts of money that was collected as taxes to the owners of the military industry
2008-04-02 01:50 < Demifish> yeah, i wish someone had warned us about the dangers of the military-industrial complex
2008-04-02 01:50 < Demifish> but not some hippy peacenik type, someone serious, like a general or president or something
2008-04-02 01:51 < zocky> Demifish, ah, but was he a war president?
2008-04-02 01:51 < Demifish> maybe he wasn't enough of a "decider"
2008-04-02 01:52 < zocky> it was easy back then when you weren't hated for your freedom
2008-04-02 01:53 < Demifish> well, in this post-9/11 world...
2008-04-02 01:53 < zocky> Demifish, did you read about the nipple ring and the increasing tendency of female terrorists to hide bombs in private places?
2008-04-02 01:54 < Demifish> i read about the nipple ring
2008-04-02 01:55 < Demifish> that stuff is pure milgram/stanford prison experiment
2008-04-02 01:55 < zocky> "TSA is well aware of terrorists' interest in hiding dangerous items in sensitive areas of the body, therefore we have a duty to the American public to resolve any alarm we discover," the agency said in a written statement.
2008-04-02 01:55 < Demifish> i'm just wondering who will protect my vital bodily juices
2008-04-02 01:55 < Demifish> i think i'll ask that question of the clinton campaign machine
2008-04-02 01:56 < Demifish> when i talk about the clinton campaign machine, i'm not talking figuratively: i mean they have an actual machine which is calling me
2008-04-02 01:56 < zocky> haha
2008-04-02 01:57 < zocky> We are the Hillary. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
2008-04-02 01:57 < Demifish> it's a little strange to be in the "Oregon is relevant" zone
2008-04-02 01:58 < Lycurgus> "... I, of course, called Sen. Clinton prior to my endorsement of Sen. Obama. It was a difficult and heated discussion, the details of which I will not share here." - Richardson. Ida loved to have heard it.
2008-04-02 01:59 < Lycurgus> wtf did she think was gonna happen, that she would talk him out of his decision?
2008-04-02 01:59 < Lycurgus> stupid ho
2008-04-02 02:00 < zocky> <<People More Paranoid Than Suspected, Say Psychiatrists>>
2008-04-02 02:06 < Demifish> http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/stop_making_movies_about_my
2008-04-02 02:09 * Demifish &
2008-04-02 02:15 < ggreer> I don't know how hollywood manages to turn a 10 page children's book into a 2 hour movie
2008-04-02 02:19 * Lady_Aleena is bored and doesn't feel like assessing any more articles right now.
2008-04-02 02:20 < Golbez1> *** AnotherNewbie071 (n=queenarl@c-75-73-112-23.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #wikipedia-en-help
2008-04-02 02:20 < Golbez1> <Tangobot3> Hello, AnotherNewbie071! If you need help, please state your question and wait a few minutes for a reply.
2008-04-02 02:20 < Golbez1> <AnotherNewbie071> I am being secrectly oppressed by the police in minnesota who can I contact for help
2008-04-02 02:20 < Golbez1> *** AnotherNewbie071 has quit IRC (Client Quit)
2008-04-02 02:20 * Golbez1 raises an eyebrow.
2008-04-02 02:27 < Lady_Aleena> I can't believe how quiet it is in here right now.
2008-04-02 02:29 < AdamBishop> I can't believe how quiet it is in here right now...spray
2008-04-02 02:30 * Lady_Aleena giggles.
2008-04-02 02:31 < Lycurgus> it's sleepy time in skankafrijia
2008-04-02 02:31 < Lycurgus> you know come right after secksy tiem
2008-04-02 02:32 < Lady_Aleena> Um...
2008-04-02 02:33 < Lycurgus> *comes
2008-04-02 02:33 * Lady_Aleena is confused.
2008-04-02 02:33 < AdamBishop> her vagin is like sleeve of wizard!
2008-04-02 02:52 < gammy> Hey guys, I've had problems with contacting upload.wikimedia.org since yesterday. Is this a known issue?
2008-04-02 03:02 < debian> gammy: I'm running a local mirror on my laptop so I dont know.
2008-04-02 03:04 < gammy> debian: I fixed the problem.
2008-04-02 03:04 < gammy> Turns out it was firefox.
2008-04-02 03:09 < AdamBishop> I have the Fraggle Rock theme song stuck in my head
2008-04-02 03:12 < Lubaf> AdamBishop: Could be worse.
2008-04-02 03:13 < Lubaf> You could have porno music stuck in your head.
2008-04-02 03:13 < Lubaf> Bow-chica-bow-wow!
2008-04-02 03:14 < AdamBishop> fraggle porn
2008-04-02 03:14 < AdamBishop> oh my.
2008-04-02 03:14 < AdamBishop> Results 1 - 10 of about 97 for "fraggle porn"
2008-04-02 03:23 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RLR-Italiya_962C_GTi.jpg Found an awesome CC picture tonight
2008-04-02 03:23 < The359> If it weren't for the pink color scheme, it'd look menacing
2008-04-02 03:30 < Lady_Aleena> Has anyone seen the trailer for the film [[Repo! The Genetic Opera]]?
2008-04-02 03:41 < Chetblong> bbl
2008-04-02 03:48 < debian> gammy rather wikipedia error with using firerfox standards
2008-04-02 04:23 < nsh> ~28 million americans on foodstamps
2008-04-02 04:34 < judy> !admin
2008-04-02 04:34 < Golbez> speak
2008-04-02 04:35 < Werdna> Golbez: she likes hide & seek
2008-04-02 04:35 < Golbez> indeed
2008-04-02 04:36 < Russavia> hi peoples, can someone possibly tell me where the best place to take a long running dispute would be?
2008-04-02 04:36 < Golbez> wp:rfc
2008-04-02 04:39 < Russavia> ah ok, have put it there, willwait for the bot to pick it up
2008-04-02 05:02 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-04-02 05:10 < NotACow> splort
2008-04-02 05:11 < bumm13> :I
2008-04-02 05:12 * Mike_H NP: Andy Gibb - (Our Love) Don't Throw It All Away (1978)
2008-04-02 05:14 < Mike_H> bumm13: don't throw it all away
2008-04-02 05:14 < Mike_H> our love
2008-04-02 05:14 < Mike_H> our love
2008-04-02 05:14 < Mike_H> don't throw it all away our love
2008-04-02 05:14 < bumm13> :)
2008-04-02 05:14 < Mike_H> http://youtube.com/watch?v=XArjKATmxOg
2008-04-02 05:15 < bumm13> hiya Mike_H
2008-04-02 05:16 < Mike_H> hi
2008-04-02 06:08 < NotACow> KITTEN ATTACK
2008-04-02 06:25 < Leslie_S> im gonna wear eyeliner to work today. :D
2008-04-02 06:25 < Leslie_S> Liquid eyeliner, thinner than ive ever managed to get pencil eyeliner on before.
2008-04-02 06:25 < Leslie_S> absolutely perfect
2008-04-02 06:25 < Leslie_S> :)
2008-04-02 06:49 * SynergeticMag yawns
2008-04-02 06:50 * JessicaTaylor is sleepy too
2008-04-02 06:51 < SaadSaeed> Hello guys, anyone know how to make TOC a collapsible object?
2008-04-02 06:51 < SaadSaeed> so it has a show/hide
2008-04-02 06:52 * bumm13 has no clue
2008-04-02 06:52 < bumm13> maybe #mediawiki has an answer, if anyone there has a pulse :P
2008-04-02 06:52 < SaadSaeed> But you have seen one in action ?
2008-04-02 06:53 < bumm13> no, I haven't
2008-04-02 06:53 < SaadSaeed> MediaWiki = zZzz
2008-04-02 06:53 < bumm13> arg
2008-04-02 06:53 < SaadSaeed> i want to keep the TOC just dont want it to take up a whole lot of space
2008-04-02 06:56 < bumm13> understandable
2008-04-02 06:59 * brown_cat_ stalks
2008-04-02 07:19 < Mahlzahn> beep
2008-04-02 07:21 < AdamBishop> boop
2008-04-02 07:24 < bumm13> hiya AdamBishop
2008-04-02 07:24 < Mahlzahn> Hey Adam, could you please undelete Template:Citation/doc/draft and move it to User:Fullstop/Citation_doc_draft ?
2008-04-02 07:25 < Mahlzahn> (into my userspace that is)
2008-04-02 07:27 < SynergeticMag> SaadSaeed: uh i think i just figured out the answer to your problem
2008-04-02 07:28 < SynergeticMag> i don't know what TOC is and what it does, but i know how to look through code and figure out how to make it work usually
2008-04-02 07:29 * Lubaf starts a message board called "Wikipedia Review Review".
2008-04-02 07:31 < Mahlzahn> on an unrelated note: does anyone know of a *sans-serif* IPA fontface?
2008-04-02 07:44 < Pilotguy> HAZ CHEEZBURGER
2008-04-02 07:44 < Pilotguy> WILL TRAVEL
2008-04-02 07:51 < Lycurgus> yeah, I thought so. CNN has a blurb about a 7 foot dog but when you try to load the vid/page they stall out. http://gibsondog.com/index.php however shows the animak is not significantly more than a meter tall at the whithers.
2008-04-02 07:51 < Lycurgus> tired ass shits
2008-04-02 07:51 < Lycurgus> cute doggy though
2008-04-02 07:53 < Lycurgus> if i raise my arms I can reach 8ft. Does that make me 8ft. tall?
2008-04-02 07:55 < Lycurgus> *animal
2008-04-02 07:58 < Lycurgus> random fact: the chinese eat about a half million puond of "guo" a year.
2008-04-02 07:59 < nsh> what's funny and animated?
2008-04-02 07:59 < Lycurgus> new yorker cartoons?
2008-04-02 08:00 < nsh> i was thinking more like moving images designed to make me laugh
2008-04-02 08:00 < Lycurgus> you mean in an especially low-brow way?
2008-04-02 08:01 < nsh> not particularly
2008-04-02 08:13 < Mahlzahn> new yorker cartoons are animated now?
2008-04-02 08:19 < NotACow> Mahlzahn: sometimes
2008-04-02 08:19 < NotACow> moo
2008-04-02 08:21 < Working_Cat> meow?
2008-04-02 08:23 < str4nd> meow!
2008-04-02 08:26 * Working_Cat huggles str4nd
2008-04-02 08:26 < Working_Cat> huggling and mewing and invoking more cats (and not cows) seems to be the channel standard now.
2008-04-02 08:27 * str4nd huggles Working_Cat
2008-04-02 08:27 < Working_Cat> i see someones started to conform
2008-04-02 08:28 < Working_Cat> as for me, i'll shamelessly do anything to fit in and look less noob that what i really am.
2008-04-02 08:29 < Working_Cat> i also am a profilic chatKill
2008-04-02 08:30 * brown_cat_ cuts Working_Cat's balls off
2008-04-02 08:30 * brown_cat_ sells them to a chinese restraunt
2008-04-02 08:30 * Working_Cat wonders how chinese eat balls of steel.
2008-04-02 08:30 < NotACow> with extra ketchup
2008-04-02 08:31 < Working_Cat> i thought thats how they ate beef
2008-04-02 08:31 < NotACow> beef, steel, same idea
2008-04-02 08:31 < Working_Cat> NotACow: if you eat anything other than beef, does it qualify as cannibalism
2008-04-02 08:32 < Working_Cat> as in since you are (Cow)'
2008-04-02 08:32 < Working_Cat> anything else is a subset of that set.
2008-04-02 08:33 < brown_cat_> O_O I think I have a twin
2008-04-02 08:33 < NotACow> Working_Cat: i am not all things that are not a cow
2008-04-02 08:33 < NotACow> Working_Cat: i am a member of the set of things that are not a cow
2008-04-02 08:33 < NotACow> Working_Cat: you've just made the fallacy of composition, i believe
2008-04-02 08:33 < Working_Cat> NotACow: you do not convey enough information to that effect.
2008-04-02 08:33 < Working_Cat> you nick clearly say NOT a Cow
2008-04-02 08:34 < NotACow> if i were all things that are not a cow, then i would include you, presuming that you are not of a bovine inclination
2008-04-02 08:34 < NotACow> i consider that presumption safe, as to date science has not recorded any instance of a cow with keyboarding skills.
2008-04-02 08:34 < Working_Cat> i DO bully little children
2008-04-02 08:35 < Working_Cat> NotACow: i know one. though i prefer she stay away from it.
2008-04-02 08:37 < Lubaf> Needs more NotACowbell.
2008-04-02 08:38 < Lubaf> NotACow: What's new?
2008-04-02 08:38 < Lubaf> Get your license?
2008-04-02 08:43 < Working_Cat> NotACow: Its in your airwaves, trolling your Hams
2008-04-02 08:44 < SynergeticMag> moo
2008-04-02 08:44 < SynergeticMag> how does one troll a ham?
2008-04-02 08:44 < Working_Cat> Ham = amateur radio operator person
2008-04-02 08:44 < SynergeticMag> n/m. somethings are better left unsaid
2008-04-02 08:44 < SynergeticMag> ah
2008-04-02 08:44 < Working_Cat> you ignorant maggot
2008-04-02 08:45 * SynergeticMag will learn not to jump in the middle of a conversation
2008-04-02 08:45 < SynergeticMag> hey now!
2008-04-02 08:45 * SynergeticMag points finger
2008-04-02 08:45 < NotACow> Lubaf: not yet
2008-04-02 08:45 < Lycurgus> wrong ham
2008-04-02 08:45 * SynergeticMag is in the middle of spamming talk pages
2008-04-02 08:45 < Working_Cat> later
2008-04-02 08:46 < NotACow> Lubaf: test is this weekend, and it takes a few days foor the FCC to issue the license after that
2008-04-02 08:47 < Lubaf> NotACow: HAMing it, or professional?
2008-04-02 08:47 < Mike_H> ugh, we're having highs nearly 10 degrees above normal
2008-04-02 08:47 < NotACow> Lubaf: hm?
2008-04-02 08:47 < Mike_H> which means our highs are near 90
2008-04-02 08:47 < Mike_H> and that our summer afternoon strong thunderstorms with monsoon winds have already started.
2008-04-02 08:47 < NotACow> Lubaf: i'm not trying ro any of the professional licenses. those are expensive to test for.
2008-04-02 08:47 < Mike_H> two months early.
2008-04-02 08:47 < Lubaf> NotACow: Fair enough.
2008-04-02 08:47 < Mike_H> *monsoon rains
2008-04-02 08:47 < NotACow> Lubaf: and frankly not really worth getting anyway :)
2008-04-02 08:48 < NotACow> Lubaf: not unless you need the professionally
2008-04-02 08:48 < NotACow> er, them
2008-04-02 08:50 < NotACow> MOO
2008-04-02 08:57 < Hildanknightaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Advice_to_everyone_who_regularly_edits_this_page
2008-04-02 08:57 < bumm13> zomg spam!
2008-04-02 08:58 < NotACow> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
2008-04-02 08:58 < Caddy_lac> where?
2008-04-02 08:58 < bumm13> incidentally, I just ate some SPAM (tm) a bit ago
2008-04-02 08:59 < Caddy_lac> and?
2008-04-02 08:59 < Caddy_lac> did you die?
2008-04-02 08:59 < bumm13> yes, of course
2008-04-02 08:59 < Caddy_lac> well next time be more carefull coz this is what happens
2008-04-02 08:59 < Caddy_lac> when you eat junks
2008-04-02 08:59 < bumm13> junks, heh
2008-04-02 08:59 < bumm13> good stuff!
2008-04-02 09:00 < Caddy_lac> good stuff...hmmm
2008-04-02 09:00 < bumm13> a tad salty, though
2008-04-02 09:00 < Caddy_lac> man you don't know what's good stuff then
2008-04-02 09:00 < bumm13> oh, I think I do
2008-04-02 09:00 < Caddy_lac> good stuff = pizza,
2008-04-02 09:00 < bumm13> I like pizz
2008-04-02 09:00 < bumm13> a
2008-04-02 09:00 < Caddy_lac> tiramitsu
2008-04-02 09:00 < bumm13> never had that
2008-04-02 09:00 < Caddy_lac> cookies
2008-04-02 09:00 < Caddy_lac> and so on
2008-04-02 09:01 < Caddy_lac> tiramisu is a cake
2008-04-02 09:01 < bumm13> I don't eat cookies much
2008-04-02 09:01 < bumm13> ah
2008-04-02 09:01 < Caddy_lac> why not?
2008-04-02 09:01 < Caddy_lac> are you afraid becoming fat?
2008-04-02 09:01 < bumm13> I'm heavy enough without them :P
2008-04-02 09:01 < Caddy_lac> lol
2008-04-02 09:01 < bumm13> becoming?
2008-04-02 09:01 < Caddy_lac> :)))
2008-04-02 09:01 < Caddy_lac> *fatter
2008-04-02 09:01 < Caddy_lac> :D
2008-04-02 09:01 < bumm13> I don't even eat that much
2008-04-02 09:01 < Caddy_lac> well you may have big bones...
2008-04-02 09:02 < bumm13> my metabolism = zero
2008-04-02 09:02 < bumm13> (almost)
2008-04-02 09:02 < bumm13> well, I do but I'm still fat
2008-04-02 09:02 < Caddy_lac> :D
2008-04-02 09:02 < Caddy_lac> make some sport
2008-04-02 09:02 < bumm13> I can touch my toes, if that helps ;)
2008-04-02 09:02 < Caddy_lac> jogging
2008-04-02 09:02 < Caddy_lac> :D
2008-04-02 09:02 < bumm13> I get tired way too easily
2008-04-02 09:02 < Caddy_lac> then you're not that fat
2008-04-02 09:02 < bumm13> oh, I'm fat enough
2008-04-02 09:03 < Caddy_lac> coz you aren't trained
2008-04-02 09:03 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-02 09:03 < Caddy_lac> I'm not fat
2008-04-02 09:03 < Caddy_lac> and I got tired
2008-04-02 09:03 < Caddy_lac> I get
2008-04-02 09:03 < bumm13> 160 kg would be extremely heavy
2008-04-02 09:04 < Caddy_lac> you have 160 Kg?
2008-04-02 09:04 < bumm13> (as is 125 kg for many people)
2008-04-02 09:04 < bumm13> no :)
2008-04-02 09:04 < Caddy_lac> I got scared
2008-04-02 09:05 < bumm13> it sucks that I'm not very tall >:I
2008-04-02 09:05 < Caddy_lac> do you want to be tall?
2008-04-02 09:05 < Caddy_lac> wear some heels
2008-04-02 09:05 < Caddy_lac> :))
2008-04-02 09:05 < bumm13> a tad taller would've been nice
2008-04-02 09:05 < bumm13> :-p
2008-04-02 09:05 < Cyrius> tallness is a mixed blessing
2008-04-02 09:05 < bumm13> 5' 5" (168 cm) isn't that tall for a man
2008-04-02 09:06 * Cyrius is only moderately tall
2008-04-02 09:06 < Caddy_lac> i'm 178
2008-04-02 09:06 < Caddy_lac> cm
2008-04-02 09:06 < bumm13> (at least of the Euro-ethnic persuasion)
2008-04-02 09:06 < Cyrius> that's short, bumm
2008-04-02 09:06 < bumm13> I know!
2008-04-02 09:06 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-04-02 09:06 < Caddy_lac> more like average
2008-04-02 09:06 < bumm13> my sisters are shorter still
2008-04-02 09:06 < Caddy_lac> 170 is average
2008-04-02 09:07 < bumm13> hiya Fabexplosive
2008-04-02 09:07 < NotACow> w00t!
2008-04-02 09:07 < bumm13> yet my mom is about my height :x
2008-04-02 09:07 < NotACow> 50/50 on element 4
2008-04-02 09:07 < NotACow> i rock :)
2008-04-02 09:07 < Cyrius> "The average male American mens height is 177 cm, which is 69.7 inche"
2008-04-02 09:07 < bumm13> ham radio license, you say?
2008-04-02 09:08 < Lycurgus> i.e 5'10"
2008-04-02 09:08 < Cyrius> "175.8"
2008-04-02 09:08 < Lycurgus> which presumably applies to europeans as well
2008-04-02 09:08 < Cyrius> according to us
2008-04-02 09:08 < bumm13> so almost 5' 10"
2008-04-02 09:08 < Fabexplosive> heya bumm13
2008-04-02 09:08 < Lycurgus> has been for ages (at least 30 years I know of)
2008-04-02 09:09 < Aqwis> isn't the dutch average 181 or so?
2008-04-02 09:09 * Cyrius is 6'2", or 188cm
2008-04-02 09:09 < Lycurgus> me too
2008-04-02 09:10 < NotACow> Aqwis: it's shorter now because of dutch elm disease
2008-04-02 09:10 < Lycurgus> the tallest man is ukranian
2008-04-02 09:10 < Caddy_lac> **uck it let's talk about girls
2008-04-02 09:10 < bumm13> (hmm, another record low temp locally)
2008-04-02 09:10 < Lycurgus> was chinse until the ukranian individual mllowed himself to be measured
2008-04-02 09:10 < bumm13> (covering 1970-present)
2008-04-02 09:10 < Cyrius> Netherlands is either 178.8 or 184.8cm depending on which source we're using
2008-04-02 09:11 < Lycurgus> *chinese
2008-04-02 09:11 < bumm13> (currently 28 °F / -2 °C ; record is 30 °F / -1 °C (1997) )
2008-04-02 09:11 < NotACow> bumm13: not yet :)
2008-04-02 09:12 < bumm13> but working on it?
2008-04-02 09:12 < NotACow> bumm13: i've passed twelve consecutive practice tests now :)
2008-04-02 09:13 < bumm13> I think you'll do fine
2008-04-02 09:13 < NotACow> bumm13: i imagine so :)
2008-04-02 09:13 < bumm13> (broader-based record - 27 °F / -2 °C (1945) at Hillsboro, OR)
2008-04-02 09:14 < bumm13> frosty :P
2008-04-02 09:14 < NotACow> toasty warm
2008-04-02 09:14 < NotACow> based on the delta from last week, i figure i'll end up with AB9RC
2008-04-02 09:15 < bumm13> is the letter A for callsigns new?
2008-04-02 09:15 < NotACow> the last group B call issued sequentially, as of 3/30, was AB9QZ
2008-04-02 09:15 < NotACow> bumm13: no
2008-04-02 09:15 < bumm13> ok
2008-04-02 09:15 < bumm13> I couldn't remember
2008-04-02 09:15 < NotACow> last group B in region 9, at least
2008-04-02 09:16 < NotACow> and they issued three of them last week, so i can reasonably expect that they'll issue about the same number this week
2008-04-02 09:16 < NotACow> which means when they get to mine they'll be somewhere around AB9QC through AB9QF
2008-04-02 09:16 < NotACow> er, AB9RC through AB9RF
2008-04-02 09:17 < Cyrius> bumm13: you ever see the bit where Harlan Ellison tells off a midget?
2008-04-02 09:17 < NotACow> group D was at KC9NGN
2008-04-02 09:18 < bumm13> hmm, Wash. is numeral 9
2008-04-02 09:18 < bumm13> er
2008-04-02 09:18 < bumm13> 7
2008-04-02 09:18 < NotACow> and they did 21 last week
2008-04-02 09:18 < Cyrius> http://harlanellison.com/buzz/bws006.htm
2008-04-02 09:18 < Cyrius> toward the bottom
2008-04-02 09:18 < NotACow> so group D for region 9 will be around KC9NHM
2008-04-02 09:18 < NotACow> bumm13: AD7SZ was the last group B in 7
2008-04-02 09:19 < bumm13> interesting
2008-04-02 09:19 < bumm13> district 7 is the Western states minus CA, CO and NM
2008-04-02 09:19 < NotACow> KE7SXU the last group D
2008-04-02 09:19 < NotACow> they issued a LOT of group D calls in 7 last week, almost 100
2008-04-02 09:19 < bumm13> wow
2008-04-02 09:20 < NotACow> more than 100 actually
2008-04-02 09:20 < NotACow> KE7SOY through KE7SXU
2008-04-02 09:20 < NotACow> that's like 250
2008-04-02 09:20 < bumm13> I think my great uncle is Advanced class (so group B)
2008-04-02 09:20 < bumm13> I can't remember, though
2008-04-02 09:21 < NotACow> bumm13: you can look him up online :)
2008-04-02 09:21 < bumm13> that's right, of course
2008-04-02 09:21 < NotACow> bumm13: database is fully searchable, and you can download it too :)
2008-04-02 09:21 < bumm13> (he was a Technician, so when the changes to no-code came, that made him a Technician Plus)
2008-04-02 09:22 < bumm13> my brother-in-law is also a ham
2008-04-02 09:22 < bumm13> he's part of his local ham radio club
2008-04-02 09:22 < NotACow> bumm13: and now a technician again
2008-04-02 09:22 < NotACow> bumm13: tech plus is gone
2008-04-02 09:23 < bumm13> oh, ok
2008-04-02 09:23 < bumm13> many changes recently
2008-04-02 09:23 < bumm13> he's General class
2008-04-02 09:24 < NotACow> bumm13: novice and advanced are grandfathered; tech plus gets autoconverted to technician on renewal; all code requirements are gone
2008-04-02 09:24 < bumm13> (K7 plus three letters)
2008-04-02 09:24 < NotACow> group C call
2008-04-02 09:24 < NotACow> 1x3 calls are exhausted in all regions
2008-04-02 09:24 < bumm13> oh wow, I didn't know that all code requirements were gone
2008-04-02 09:25 * bumm13 is out of the loop :P
2008-04-02 09:25 < NotACow> bumm13: ITU finally allowed national authorities to decide whether or not to require code, and the FCC waived them a year or so ago
2008-04-02 09:25 < bumm13> yeah, they were quite archaic
2008-04-02 09:25 < NotACow> 1x2 and 2x1 calls have been exhausted for a while now; 1x3 exhausted last year
2008-04-02 09:25 < NotACow> so new extras get 2x2 calls and everyone else gets 2x3 calls
2008-04-02 09:25 < bumm13> ah
2008-04-02 09:26 < NotACow> extra is easy enough to get, though
2008-04-02 09:26 < NotACow> it took me about two weeks to prepare for the test
2008-04-02 09:27 < bumm13> my brother-in-law is also General; KC9 plus two letters
2008-04-02 09:27 < NotACow> there's still a few questions that i muff on a regular basis, but not enough to fail to test
2008-04-02 09:27 < NotACow> er fail the test
2008-04-02 09:27 < bumm13> yeah
2008-04-02 09:28 < NotACow> i get the figure-eight pattern questions wrong on a regular basis
2008-04-02 09:28 < bumm13> I hate living near sea level; makes my desktop shortwave radio less effective without a good external antenna :P
2008-04-02 09:28 < NotACow> heh
2008-04-02 09:28 < NotACow> i'm in an antenna height restricted area
2008-04-02 09:29 * bumm13 is more of a listener than a 2-way radio person
2008-04-02 09:29 < NotACow> can't build an antenna higher than 120 feet without filing paperwork
2008-04-02 09:29 < bumm13> ah
2008-04-02 09:29 < NotACow> nearby airport
2008-04-02 09:29 < bumm13> ah, makes sense
2008-04-02 09:29 < Cyrius> 120 feet would barely get you over the trees here
2008-04-02 09:29 < NotACow> Cyrius: it's 200 generally
2008-04-02 09:30 < Cyrius> that was more a comment on the local flora than anything
2008-04-02 09:30 < bumm13> being in western Washington, there's plenty of hills to contend with
2008-04-02 09:30 < NotACow> trees are fun
2008-04-02 09:30 < bumm13> the trees themselves aren't super tall (conifers typically)
2008-04-02 09:30 < NotACow> bumm13: seawater has interesting effects on RF propagation, too
2008-04-02 09:30 < bumm13> ah
2008-04-02 09:31 < bumm13> well, I'm on freshwater anyway (river)
2008-04-02 09:31 < NotACow> bumm13: freshwater does as well, although not the same effect
2008-04-02 09:31 < SynergeticMag> oh my god
2008-04-02 09:32 < bumm13> it's about 70 miles to the coast
2008-04-02 09:32 < SynergeticMag> i can't believe this is happening
2008-04-02 09:32 < bumm13> ?
2008-04-02 09:32 < SynergeticMag> this can't be true
2008-04-02 09:32 < SynergeticMag> this makes me so damn mad
2008-04-02 09:32 < bumm13> ...
2008-04-02 09:32 < NotACow> SynergeticMag: it's true. suck it up, man.
2008-04-02 09:32 < SynergeticMag> but
2008-04-02 09:32 < SynergeticMag> it can't be
2008-04-02 09:32 < NotACow> your chickens really did run away with the cat next door.
2008-04-02 09:32 < SynergeticMag> i cannot accept this
2008-04-02 09:33 < SynergeticMag> i don't own chickens btw
2008-04-02 09:33 < bumm13> =^o.o^=  õ<
2008-04-02 09:33 < NotACow> well, not anymore
2008-04-02 09:33 < SynergeticMag> true
2008-04-02 09:33 * brown_cat slaps bumm13 in the face
2008-04-02 09:33 * SynergeticMag is mad because his coffee is getting cold
2008-04-02 09:34 < SynergeticMag> why is this happening to me God! what have i done to deserve this!
2008-04-02 09:34 * SynergeticMag becomes Job
2008-04-02 09:34 < bumm13> what are you talking about?
2008-04-02 09:34 < SynergeticMag> my coffee is cold!
2008-04-02 09:34 < bumm13> ...
2008-04-02 09:34 * NotACow installs a small microwave transmitter above SynergeticMag's coffeecup
2008-04-02 09:34 * SynergeticMag lays in NotACows lap
2008-04-02 09:34 < SynergeticMag> danke
2008-04-02 09:35 < bumm13> :x
2008-04-02 09:35 * SynergeticMag sips over heated coffee
2008-04-02 09:35 < SynergeticMag> screw this, i'm going to have to leave my chair
2008-04-02 09:35 < SynergeticMag> brb
2008-04-02 09:35 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-04-02 09:36 < Mark_Ryan> hi bumm13
2008-04-02 09:36 < Mark_Ryan> how is sunny washington state?
2008-04-02 09:36 < bumm13> it's actually sunny
2008-04-02 09:36 < bumm13> but cold
2008-04-02 09:36 < Mark_Ryan> you mean the sun is not obscured by a cloud of ash from some volcano?
2008-04-02 09:36 * brown_cat scares SynergeticMag >:(
2008-04-02 09:36 < bumm13> nope
2008-04-02 09:36 * brown_cat spills SynergeticMag's coffee on his face
2008-04-02 09:36 < Mark_Ryan> first time for everything
2008-04-02 09:36 < bumm13> Mt. St. Helens just burps now and then
2008-04-02 09:37 * SynergeticMag comes back to the room burned
2008-04-02 09:37 < SynergeticMag> what?
2008-04-02 09:37 < brown_cat> :D
2008-04-02 09:37 < SynergeticMag> :/
2008-04-02 09:38 < SynergeticMag> is NotACow taken or something?
2008-04-02 09:38 < SynergeticMag> "taken"
2008-04-02 09:38 * brown_cat sprays SynergeticMag with pepper spray
2008-04-02 09:38 < brown_cat> NO MEANS NO
2008-04-02 09:38 < Mark_Ryan> no means yes.
2008-04-02 09:38 < SynergeticMag> i don't recall someone saying no....
2008-04-02 09:38 < SynergeticMag> hmph
2008-04-02 09:38 < Demi> no means know
2008-04-02 09:39 < SynergeticMag> i no it does
2008-04-02 09:39 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: We looked up our computing teacher on the sex offender's registrar - there was someone who looked almost identical to him, was living in his area and was the same age haahahahahaha xD
2008-04-02 09:40 < Mark_Ryan> brown_cat, haven't you seen the TV ads? to work with children these days you need a Working With Children Check
2008-04-02 09:41 < Demi> i read on an internet forum that there is a mutual hatred between oregon and washington
2008-04-02 09:41 < Demi> Mark_Ryan - does that include carnies?
2008-04-02 09:41 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: it wasn't him, he looked different enough in the pic but, it was sooo funny xd
2008-04-02 09:41 < SynergeticMag> i hate all geopgraphy in a non biased way
2008-04-02 09:41 < Mark_Ryan> Demi: oregon and washington? it's probably because Oregon is just the state in between that nobody visits except on their way between California and Washington
2008-04-02 09:42 < NotACow> oregon is california's canada
2008-04-02 09:42 * Lycurgus though "no" meant, "you're hittin it from the wrong angle"
2008-04-02 09:42 < Demi> the west coast flyover state?
2008-04-02 09:42 < Mark_Ryan> exactly
2008-04-02 09:42 < NotACow> you know
2008-04-02 09:42 < NotACow> i've bene to oregon three times
2008-04-02 09:42 < NotACow> i've been to washington zero times
2008-04-02 09:42 < NotACow> go figure
2008-04-02 09:42 < SynergeticMag> Lycurgus: i wasn't trying to hit anything at all, just a lap lay
2008-04-02 09:42 < SynergeticMag> er
2008-04-02 09:42 * SynergeticMag sips coffee
2008-04-02 09:43 < Cyrius> wtfh
2008-04-02 09:43 < NotACow> snort.
2008-04-02 09:43 < Demi> that's because oregon has a vibrant technology market in the portland area, NotACow, but washington has no IT industry whatsoever
2008-04-02 09:43 < NotACow> Demi: none at all!
2008-04-02 09:43 < bumm13> actually, Oregon has a lot of good outdoor recreational opportunities
2008-04-02 09:44 < bumm13> Demi: none?
2008-04-02 09:44 < NotACow> Demi: and more importantly, my employer has no offices in washington, but it does have offices in the portland area :)
2008-04-02 09:44 < bumm13> there is a lot around Beaverton-Hillsboro (west of Portland proper)
2008-04-02 09:44 < bumm13> Intel is set up there
2008-04-02 09:44 < Cyrius> Demi's in denial about microsoft's existence
2008-04-02 09:44 < bumm13> (some facility they have)
2008-04-02 09:45 < Mark_Ryan> I'm going to add brown_cat to the autorem for this and other channels. Does anyone have any strident objections? he's been abusing quit reasons lately
2008-04-02 09:45 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: yay
2008-04-02 09:45 < bumm13> go for it
2008-04-02 09:45 < Lycurgus> the
2008-04-02 09:45 < Lycurgus> sorry
2008-04-02 09:45 < NotACow> Mark_Ryan: he adds exactly nothing of value anyway
2008-04-02 09:45 < Cyrius> "rapes kids" isn't valid criticism or funny
2008-04-02 09:45 < Lycurgus> (inadvertent enter keystroke)
2008-04-02 09:45 < bumm13> Seattle (Redmond/eastside) is more about software houses than IT, I suppose
2008-04-02 09:46 < Demi> there's actually plenty of industry in washington, technology and otherwise, and i'm being facetious
2008-04-02 09:46 < NotACow> microsoft isn't an IT industry
2008-04-02 09:46 < Demi> yeah, but microsoft isn't it
2008-04-02 09:46 < NotACow> it's a moneysucking licensing boondoggle.
2008-04-02 09:46 * SynergeticMag stares at the wikipedia t-shirt
2008-04-02 09:46 < bumm13> nothing like Google
2008-04-02 09:46 < Lycurgus> the eye of Saruman is there someplace ain't it?
2008-04-02 09:46 < Demi> the california bay area is unique
2008-04-02 09:46 < bumm13> or Cisco
2008-04-02 09:47 < NotACow> Lycurgus: one encyclopedia to bind them all
2008-04-02 09:47 < bumm13> the Open Source Labs are in Beaverton, OR
2008-04-02 09:47 < Demi> even boston is a pretty distant 2nd there
2008-04-02 09:47 < Demi> and nike! take that!
2008-04-02 09:47 < bumm13> Linus the penguin works there
2008-04-02 09:47 < MonsterWeasel> Some people are so great that their articles read POVvy even if they're not.
2008-04-02 09:47 < Demi> (he's not an actual penguin--the marketing lies)
2008-04-02 09:47 < bumm13> (:>
2008-04-02 09:48 < SynergeticMag> sure he is, i've made a linux program to make him talk