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2008-04-01 17:34 < fruitbag> OvrLrd-Q: my point is that Wikipedia can be made better than Google Knol without having `experts' contributing articles and including ads.
2008-04-01 17:35 < fruitbag> Wikipedia has great potential.
2008-04-01 17:35 < Cream> fruitbag, Wikipedia depends on donations
2008-04-01 17:35 < fruitbag> Cream: yes
2008-04-01 17:35 < The359> Knol is not better based on ads
2008-04-01 17:35 < Cream> lately a 3M$ grant
2008-04-01 17:35 < Huntster> Already has reached and surpassed "great potential". By far the largest repository of freely accessable knowledge that I know of.
2008-04-01 17:35 < fruitbag> The amazing thing is that about 80% of Wikipedia articles are reliable.
2008-04-01 17:36 < The359> bullshit
2008-04-01 17:36 < OvrLrd-Q> and 113% of statistics are pulled from bodily orfices
2008-04-01 17:36 < fruitbag> You disagree?
2008-04-01 17:36 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-04-01 17:36 < fruitbag> I don't know, man... there's something fishy about Google Knol.
2008-04-01 17:36 < fruitbag> I don't like it.
2008-04-01 17:37 < Huntster> Moar bannarz!
2008-04-01 17:37 < Gracenotes> Google? Fishy? They're not evil, dude
2008-04-01 17:37 < fruitbag> I'll remain a loyal Wikipedia user, thank you very much.
2008-04-01 17:38 < fruitbag> Gracenotes: Google aren't evil. I never said anyone was evil. I just don't like Knol.
2008-04-01 17:38 < Huntster> If Google thinks they can do better, all the power to them. But I would have liked to see them work *with* Wikipedia.
2008-04-01 17:38 < Demifish> i doubt anyone does. has anyone talked at all about knol since the press release?
2008-04-01 17:38 < fruitbag> Google are a `kosher' corporation that I actually like, unlike Microsoft.
2008-04-01 17:38 < The359> then what is "fishy"
2008-04-01 17:38 < Demifish> wikipedia does great as a repository of "surprisingly accurate" or mostly accurate facts
2008-04-01 17:39 * Demifish is fishy
2008-04-01 17:39 < Gracenotes> >.>
2008-04-01 17:39 < fruitbag> Well, first off, The359, I don't like the idea of articles being written by one `qualified' person.
2008-04-01 17:39 < OvrLrd-Q> my bologna has a first name, it's tee-arr-oh-double-ell
2008-04-01 17:39 < The359> Guess we shouldn't tell you that we already tried that ourselves
2008-04-01 17:39 < snowolf> "my bologna" ??
2008-04-01 17:39 < snowolf> what is that supposed to mean?
2008-04-01 17:39 < fruitbag> I mean, how do you think a political article would be when written by one author?
2008-04-01 17:40 * snowolf is Italian
2008-04-01 17:40 < fruitbag> There would be some bias.
2008-04-01 17:40 * Gracenotes is not Italian by any definition of the word
2008-04-01 17:40 < OvrLrd-Q> snowolf: 'classic' tv commercial
2008-04-01 17:40 < snowolf> ah and it's called bologna? odd | bologna is an italian city :)
2008-04-01 17:40 < Demifish> it depends on the author
2008-04-01 17:40 < fruitbag> But the governing philosophy behind vandalism in Wikipedia is that more people want to make something right than wrong.
2008-04-01 17:41 < fruitbag> You know, guys... articles go through a process akin to Darwinian evolution.
2008-04-01 17:41 < Gracenotes> fruitbag: Wikipedia's neutrality (or perceived neutrality) is certainly an appealing feature. You know, "neutral information superheroes in an age of bias" thing
2008-04-01 17:41 < OvrLrd-Q> fruitbag: not . . not really
2008-04-01 17:41 < fruitbag> Gracenotes: sure. That's what I would hate about Knol.
2008-04-01 17:41 < fruitbag> Knol articles are written by one person.
2008-04-01 17:41 < Demifish> the best wikipedia articles seem to be (mostly) written by one person
2008-04-01 17:42 < Demifish> (not the same person)
2008-04-01 17:42 < fruitbag> Demifish: sure, written by one person and refined by others.
2008-04-01 17:42 < Huntster> btw, anyone recall what Knol's copyright status will be? Similar to Wiki or more strict?
2008-04-01 17:43 < fruitbag> I don't like Knol ethics. It is more fuelled by profit.
2008-04-01 17:43 * Mike_H pets Demifish
2008-04-01 17:43 < fruitbag> Wikipedia is about people who just want to write articles.
2008-04-01 17:43 < Huntster> ...since Google is a public company.
2008-04-01 17:43 < fruitbag> Knol will be about people who want to write articles for money.
2008-04-01 17:43 < Demifish> or, possibly, written by one person and turned into a mass of soggy writing and a list of factoids by others
2008-04-01 17:43 < fruitbag> That's rubbish.
2008-04-01 17:43 < Gracenotes> is there anything stricter than Wikipedia copyright? :) <barbie>Free content is *hard*!</barbie>
2008-04-01 17:44 * Huntster snickers
2008-04-01 17:44 < Gracenotes> fruitbag: profit. The motivating force for human action for the past 500 years :)
2008-04-01 17:44 < fruitbag> Gracenotes: I disagree.
2008-04-01 17:44 < fruitbag> That's not a motivating force between projects like Wikipedia or the Linux kernel.
2008-04-01 17:44 < fruitbag> That's rubbish, Gracenotes.
2008-04-01 17:45 < OvrLrd-Q> Gracenotes: the DFSG?
2008-04-01 17:45 < Gracenotes> :P
2008-04-01 17:45 < Lucifer_Cat> motivating force behind*
2008-04-01 17:45 < fruitbag> Yes
2008-04-01 17:45 < Demifish> profit is the motivating force behind lots of free software projects, though not necessarily the motive behind making them free
2008-04-01 17:46 < fruitbag> Bah
2008-04-01 17:46 < Gracenotes> the modern capitalist world system, as defined by Wallerstein, is all about the accumulation of profit
2008-04-01 17:46 < Demifish> the mozilla foundation didn't create a for-profit subsidiary for their health
2008-04-01 17:46 < fruitbag> I'm comfortable enough with Wikipedia, thank you very much.
2008-04-01 17:46 < fruitbag> No Knol for me.
2008-04-01 17:46 < Gracenotes> avoid activities that result in diminishing profit, and move towards activity that results in increased capital
2008-04-01 17:46 * Lucifer_Cat examines Demifish 's bowl... interesting...
2008-04-01 17:46 < The359> We got that part, fruitbag
2008-04-01 17:46 < Demifish> well, you have registered your displeasure effectively, fruitbag.
2008-04-01 17:46 < The359> why are you still going on about it
2008-04-01 17:46 < The359> we don't care which you use
2008-04-01 17:47 < fruitbag> I like Google, don't get me wrong. They're just getting a little too ambitious.
2008-04-01 17:47 < The359> we got that part too
2008-04-01 17:47 < fruitbag> Google should concentrate on what they do best.
2008-04-01 17:47 < Lucifer_Cat> whats Knol?
2008-04-01 17:47 < Lucifer_Cat> or who
2008-04-01 17:47 < Huntster> At least there's some companies that are ambitious...far too many simply rest on their laurels.
2008-04-01 17:47 < Demifish> heh, knol doesn't even exist yet
2008-04-01 17:47 < Lucifer_Cat> what is knol supposed to be
2008-04-01 17:47 < Gracenotes> the writing/improving multiple-authors system usually does work; a fair amount of the time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Opabinia_regalis/Puddingstone results
2008-04-01 17:48 < Demifish> Lucifer_Cat - you can always consult wikipedia!
2008-04-01 17:48 < Huntster> I mean, Google is planning on settling on Mars! ;)
2008-04-01 17:48 < Lucifer_Cat> Huntster: i wonder how many gags they ran in all
2008-04-01 17:48 < Huntster> There are at least three documented on Wikipedia.
2008-04-01 17:48 < Lucifer_Cat> i know of atleast 3. 5 if you wanna get really picky
2008-04-01 17:49 < Huntster> Gotta wonder how many in-house things there were.
2008-04-01 17:49 < Lucifer_Cat> Huntster: which ones? i know of g'day, MATE, custom time, virgle, and the one which goes with that
2008-04-01 17:49 < Lucifer_Cat> google bought over youtube right?
2008-04-01 17:49 < Demifish> yeah, welcome to 2007, geez
2008-04-01 17:49 < Lucifer_Cat> i wonder how many were rickrolled in all :P
2008-04-01 17:50 < fruitbag> It would be itneresting if Wikipedia set up article reliability commitee. And about vandalim, questions must be asked about the psychological reasons why a person is motivated to vanadalise.
2008-04-01 17:50 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: you are in that bowl. dont tempt me.
2008-04-01 17:50 < Huntster> Lucifer_Cat, Gday and MATE were part of the same gag, Custom Time and Virgle were their own entities. I don't know of any other unique ones.
2008-04-01 17:50 * Demifish bubbles
2008-04-01 17:50 < fruitbag> What causes a person vandalising an article?
2008-04-01 17:50 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: douchebag-gery
2008-04-01 17:50 < Huntster> fruitbag, there are as many reasons as there are people doing it.
2008-04-01 17:50 < fruitbag> If you pinpoint this, then you may be able to handle vandalism more effectivey.
2008-04-01 17:50 * Mike_H watches reruns of The Nanny
2008-04-01 17:50 < Huntster> mostly mental illnesses, I'd guess.
2008-04-01 17:50 < Lucifer_Cat> among others
2008-04-01 17:50 < Demifish> sometimes it's because fred R GAY, and how else are you going to get the word out?
2008-04-01 17:51 * brown_cat_NAP watches Mike_H get pinged
2008-04-01 17:51 < fruitbag> Guys, Wikipedia should ban IPs that vandalise.
2008-04-01 17:51 < fruitbag> Plain and simple.
2008-04-01 17:51 < brown_cat_NAP> i disagree
2008-04-01 17:51 < fruitbag> 3 strikes and you're out
2008-04-01 17:51 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: those are the same reasons as those because of which theres crimes in the society
2008-04-01 17:51 < Meph[y]> No way.
2008-04-01 17:51 < Demifish> we should also arrest addresses that sell crack
2008-04-01 17:51 < Huntster> These things have been discussed ad nauseum, fruitbag.
2008-04-01 17:51 < brown_cat_NAP> I think, we should ban all edits which I disagree with
2008-04-01 17:51 < fruitbag> Come on, Meph[y]... it would be reasonable.
2008-04-01 17:51 < Meph[y]> At my school if our IP got banned then a few students will ruin it for everyone.
2008-04-01 17:52 < Demifish> we're on to something, here. can we also imprison phone numbers that commit fraud?!
2008-04-01 17:52 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah, more places have common IPs than you think
2008-04-01 17:52 < brown_cat_NAP> i got our school ip banned xD
2008-04-01 17:52 < Lucifer_Cat> brown_cat_NAP: good job
2008-04-01 17:52 < Huntster> Demifish, so long as it is just the phone number and not hte person.
2008-04-01 17:52 < fruitbag> Ah, yes... good point, guys. I missed that out.
2008-04-01 17:52 < brown_cat_NAP> xD
2008-04-01 17:52 < Meph[y]> I checked our logs and some students vandalize like crazy - a long history of it; but it is the good students primary source for projects, etc.
2008-04-01 17:52 < fruitbag> So, what would be a better way, then?
2008-04-01 17:52 < brown_cat_NAP> I think, we should ban all edits which I disagree with
2008-04-01 17:52 < fruitbag> Meph[y]: a backround profile of such people that vandalise would be interesting.
2008-04-01 17:52 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: theres no better way
2008-04-01 17:52 * Demifish solemnly sentences 867-5309 to 20 months hard banning
2008-04-01 17:53 * Huntster gives 867-5309 a hammer for making license plates.
2008-04-01 17:53 < Demifish> i think there actually is a better way, but people will not go for it
2008-04-01 17:53 * Lucifer_Cat goes off to dial 867-5309 for all the area codes
2008-04-01 17:53 < Huntster> Demifish, banning everyone else but you? ;)
2008-04-01 17:53 < Demifish> no; stop banning everyone
2008-04-01 17:54 < fruitbag> Lucifer_Cat: well, there may be an IP that both contributes and vandalises. This would be an IP that is most likely shared by more than one person.
2008-04-01 17:54 < Huntster> I'd agree in principle, but I do believe that people would continue vandalising just for the fun of doing so.
2008-04-01 17:54 < Demifish> as i've said ad nauseum, the answer to vandalism is not to raise the fence, because vandals will always hop a fence. it's to give everyone a sponge.
2008-04-01 17:54 < fruitbag> What if there is an IP that doesn't contribute at all but only vandalises?
2008-04-01 17:54 < Demifish> Huntster - yeah, but there's nothing wrong with that.
2008-04-01 17:54 < Huntster> People may get into drugs just because it is illegal, but the same doesn't hold true for vandalism.
2008-04-01 17:54 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: didnt we just discuss the school issue
2008-04-01 17:54 < Demifish> if everyone who rode a subway train could remove vandalism just by touching it, do you think there would me much vandalism on trains?
2008-04-01 17:55 < fruitbag> Lucifer_Cat: oh, yes... indeed.
2008-04-01 17:55 < Huntster> Demifish, in that instance, it is a matter of educating the users on how to *use* the site, and the page histories to check for such things.
2008-04-01 17:55 < brown_cat_NAP> SATAN!!!
2008-04-01 17:55 < Demifish> and do you think you can prevent vandalism by having security guards in transit stations and parking cars behind a fenced yard?
2008-04-01 17:55 < Huntster> Fact of hte matter is, most viewers simply don't care enough to fix things.
2008-04-01 17:55 < Demifish> Huntster - and making it easier, and being less hostile to newcomers
2008-04-01 17:55 < Demifish> (making it easier to remove vandalism)
2008-04-01 17:56 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: i'd say there would be more. specifically cuz its so easy to get rid of, people resort to casual vandalism. or sketching with benefits.
2008-04-01 17:56 < Huntster> Exactly.
2008-04-01 17:56 < Demifish> Lucifer_Cat - "specifically cuz its so easy to get rid of, people resort to casual vandalism" <- this makes no sense to me, and sounds like the sort of thing you're just making up rather than something you know.
2008-04-01 17:56 < Mike_H> I have nightmare music for everyone!
2008-04-01 17:56 * Mike_H NP: Sheena Easton - Morning Train (Nine to Five) (1980)
2008-04-01 17:56 < Huntster> I found out a friend of mine was vandalising pages he knew I visited just to see how long it would be before I fixed them...
2008-04-01 17:56 < fruitbag> Alright, guys...
2008-04-01 17:57 < fruitbag> I admit that my previous suggestions were wrong.
2008-04-01 17:57 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: i have seen people write stuff on board just cuz "chill, it will be erased in the morning anyways"
2008-04-01 17:57 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-04-01 17:57 < Demifish> i have not, thus invalidating your argument.
2008-04-01 17:57 < fruitbag> Well, a way to reduce vandalism is to make accounts.
2008-04-01 17:57 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: you werent the first one to suggest them. you wont be the last.
2008-04-01 17:57 < fruitbag> Which Wikipedia has already done.
2008-04-01 17:58 < Huntster> Same thing with the "Kathy was here!!!" edits...they know it won't last long, but they've still made their mark.
2008-04-01 17:58 < fruitbag> Accounts that vandalise will be removed.
2008-04-01 17:58 < Demifish> yes, which is actually a test, not vandalism, in any case.
2008-04-01 17:58 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: i would not rest the validity of my argument on your ignorance. no offence.
2008-04-01 17:58 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-04-01 17:58 < Huntster> Why do people spray graffiti? it often gets covered up, but they are still making their mark, however temporary.
2008-04-01 17:58 < fruitbag> That won't eliminate vandalism, but it would certainly reduce it significantly.
2008-04-01 17:58 < Demifish> Lucifer_Cat - but you would rest it on your own? i see.
2008-04-01 17:58 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: i just said i based it on what i saw.
2008-04-01 17:59 < Demifish> ah, but it doesn't "often get covered up" as evidenced by the fact that you see it.
2008-04-01 17:59 < Lucifer_Cat> observation >> ignorance, imho.
2008-04-01 17:59 < Huntster> Demifish, I see no difference between such edits and vandalism. Both are defacing the article.
2008-04-01 17:59 < Caddy_lac> any admin online?
2008-04-01 17:59 < Lucifer_Cat> also, depends on your background. certain cultures have notoriously idle hands.
2008-04-01 17:59 < Ceiling_Cat> DOH
2008-04-01 17:59 < fruitbag> Guys -- psychologically, what motivates a person to vandalise?
2008-04-01 17:59 < Lucifer_Cat> Caddy_lac: raul
2008-04-01 17:59 < Huntster> fruitbag, you've already asked that.
2008-04-01 17:59 < Caddy_lac> is he on?
2008-04-01 17:59 < Caddy_lac> ok
2008-04-01 18:00 < Caddy_lac> thx
2008-04-01 18:00 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: dont go around in circles
2008-04-01 18:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Caddy_lac - I am Raul
2008-04-01 18:00 < Caddy_lac> lol
2008-04-01 18:00 < fruitbag> Sure, Lucifer_Cat... but we haven't had an answer here.
2008-04-01 18:00 < Lucifer_Cat> i told oyu
2008-04-01 18:00 < Caddy_lac> ok wait a sec
2008-04-01 18:00 < Lucifer_Cat> you
2008-04-01 18:00 < Lucifer_Cat> the same reasons that theres crime in this world
2008-04-01 18:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Processing the 3 th data set.
2008-04-01 18:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Remote doesn't answer ping. Exiting.
2008-04-01 18:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Please have the administrator check the status of the MTA.
2008-04-01 18:00 < Ceiling_Cat> :(
2008-04-01 18:00 < Huntster> "There are as many reasons as there are people." You can't easily define something like that.
2008-04-01 18:00 < Ceiling_Cat> my experiment quit :(
2008-04-01 18:00 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: she refused to go down?
2008-04-01 18:01 < Lucifer_Cat> though that joke would have been cool if we both were 17
2008-04-01 18:01 < Lucifer_Cat> i suppose none of us is.
2008-04-01 18:01 * Lucifer_Cat makes a note to self... Grow up. Please.
2008-04-01 18:02 < Huntster> ...and turn 15? ;)
2008-04-01 18:02 < The359> But I don wunna!
2008-04-01 18:02 < Demifish> Lucifer_Cat - my point was that telling a story like that means nothing. there's no reason to think that an anecdote allows you to draw general conclusions about people's behavior. there is no more meaning in your example than in my counterexample. that doesn't have anything to do "observation" or "ignorance."
2008-04-01 18:03 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: just because you have not seen something happen does not mean it does not happen.
2008-04-01 18:03 < Lucifer_Cat> i for one have never seen anyone shoot someone else. are you saying it does not happen?
2008-04-01 18:03 < fruitbag> Hey, guys... I have an interesting idea.
2008-04-01 18:03 < Lucifer_Cat> here we go again... fruitbag .. what
2008-04-01 18:03 < Demifish> Lucifer_Cat - going by your method of argument, you should be making exactly that point.
2008-04-01 18:04 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: you got it all wrong.
2008-04-01 18:04 < fruitbag> I was thinking of a establishing a TV channel that shows only public domain content.
2008-04-01 18:04 < Alkivar> best of luck
2008-04-01 18:04 < Alkivar> you see how well pbs survives on donations
2008-04-01 18:04 < Huntster> fruitbag, that's called NASA TV.
2008-04-01 18:04 < Lucifer_Cat> the point was that people do get shot all the time... whether i see it happening or not.
2008-04-01 18:04 < Demifish> my favorite cable access show is mickey the balloon man. it's gutteringly awful.
2008-04-01 18:04 < fruitbag> Well, I was thinking of things like Nosferatu and Dracula.
2008-04-01 18:04 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: you arent as orignal as you think you are :P
2008-04-01 18:04 < fruitbag> They are all public domain.
2008-04-01 18:05 < fruitbag> Lucifer_Cat: what -- this already exist?
2008-04-01 18:05 < Lucifer_Cat> Huntster> fruitbag, that's called NASA TV.
2008-04-01 18:05 < Golbez> that's not exactly the same. =p
2008-04-01 18:05 < fruitbag> NASA TV shows shows like Dracula and Nosferatu?
2008-04-01 18:05 < Demifish> wait, NASA TV *doesn't* show dracula?!
2008-04-01 18:06 < Golbez> i like fruitbag's idea, but there's probably not yet enough free content to maintain a full TV schedule
2008-04-01 18:06 * Huntster hangs his head.
2008-04-01 18:06 < fruitbag> Golbez: sure there are
2008-04-01 18:06 < fruitbag> Golbez: alot of interesting silent shows
2008-04-01 18:06 < Demifish> there might be, but no one would want to watch
2008-04-01 18:06 < fruitbag> Like Laurel and Hardy
2008-04-01 18:06 < Huntster> yes fruitbag, NASA television shows dramatic programs. .......
2008-04-01 18:06 < fruitbag> And Charlie Chaplin
2008-04-01 18:06 < Demifish> actually for some reason we have what is more or less "the youtube channel" on our cable system
2008-04-01 18:06 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: its just human nature. people dont care about things unless theres some side/direct effects
2008-04-01 18:07 < Demifish> well "youtube and windows dialog boxes"
2008-04-01 18:07 < fruitbag> Nosferatu, Dracula...
2008-04-01 18:07 < fruitbag> They're all public domain.
2008-04-01 18:07 < Huntster> "So fix^H^H^H build it."
2008-04-01 18:07 < Golbez> i guess if you scheduled it right, with black and white PD content alone you might be able to put to gether a full schedule
2008-04-01 18:07 < Demifish> Lucifer_Cat - yes; for example, an all-volunteer effort to write an encyclopedia would be doomed to failure.
2008-04-01 18:07 < Golbez> but i question whether it could sustain itself. after all, TCM can - and does- show the same things
2008-04-01 18:07 < fruitbag> Isn't copyright experienced after 70 years?
2008-04-01 18:07 < Golbez> a better solution would be to make a network with more modern PD material
2008-04-01 18:07 < Demifish> "cable access"
2008-04-01 18:07 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: did i say "every single human"
2008-04-01 18:07 < fruitbag> Golbez: sure, but TCM doesn't show public domain stuff
2008-04-01 18:08 < fruitbag> ...it's just classic movies
2008-04-01 18:08 < Golbez> fruitbag- they show Nosferatu, probably. =p
2008-04-01 18:08 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: theres a good side of human nature too remember?
2008-04-01 18:08 < brown_cat_NAP> OMG - ISOHUNT HAS BEEN CLOSED DOWN http://isohunt.com/ O_o
2008-04-01 18:08 < Demifish> Lucifer_Cat - remember what?
2008-04-01 18:08 < fruitbag> what?
2008-04-01 18:08 < Lucifer_Cat> the ones that rally for the environment
2008-04-01 18:08 < Golbez> brown_cat_NAP - nice rickroll
2008-04-01 18:08 < fruitbag> brown_cat: April fools
2008-04-01 18:08 < Golbez> i suspect that's the first time i've ever been rickrolled
2008-04-01 18:08 < Golbez> and you did it
2008-04-01 18:08 < Golbez> congrats
2008-04-01 18:08 < brown_cat> :D
2008-04-01 18:08 < wimt> Ooo I haven't seen Rick Astley for at least an hour
2008-04-01 18:08 < brown_cat> yay!
2008-04-01 18:08 < wimt> Yay
2008-04-01 18:08 < brown_cat> hahhaa
2008-04-01 18:08 * brown_cat snuggles wimt
2008-04-01 18:08 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: you are not interesting in discussing fairly. i am formally closing the discussion.
2008-04-01 18:09 * wimt cuddles back
2008-04-01 18:09 < Huntster> I've never fallen for a rickroll, and I'm supremely proud of that.
2008-04-01 18:09 < Demifish> haha
2008-04-01 18:09 < fruitbag> Guys... I wonder what to call the channel.
2008-04-01 18:09 < fruitbag> Any takes?
2008-04-01 18:09 < Huntster> Because I'd probably have to break my monitor if it happened...
2008-04-01 18:09 * wimt secretly falls for rickrolls on purpose to watch the video
2008-04-01 18:09 < Alkivar> Huntster: thems fighting words man
2008-04-01 18:09 < Alkivar> bewarre
2008-04-01 18:09 < Huntster> wimt, you sicko...
2008-04-01 18:09 < Demifish> you pretty much stopped discussing when you said "Demifish: you got it all wrong." without support.
2008-04-01 18:09 * Lucifer_Cat can relate to wimt
2008-04-01 18:09 < wimt> Huntster, indeed a twisted person I am
2008-04-01 18:10 < Demifish> but, sure, let's do it "formally."
2008-04-01 18:10 * Demifish bangs his gavel
2008-04-01 18:10 < Huntster> Alkivar, if thems fightin' words, then I be ready to fight.
2008-04-01 18:10 < Lucifer_Cat> Demifish: my point was that you got the point of my argument all wrong. and my very next message elaborated. 'nuff said.
2008-04-01 18:13 < Lucifer_Cat> chatkill
2008-04-01 18:16 < Lucifer_Cat> meow?
2008-04-01 18:17 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-04-01 18:18 < Messedrocker> hello ceiling cat
2008-04-01 18:18 < Messedrocker> is it 70 degrees down in de-la-ware?
2008-04-01 18:18 < Ceiling_Cat> sTeF writes in, with the hope that this is an April Fools joke. Doesn't look like it though. An article up at Intellectual Property Watch claims to have obtained a document (PDF) enumerating the vote after Microsoft's OOXML won ISO standard status.
2008-04-01 18:18 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: you are sometimes marginally useful... but mostly you are a troll :P
2008-04-01 18:20 < Lucifer_Cat> so the buggers won?
2008-04-01 18:21 < Demifish> wasn't there some kind of protest against the norwegian vote or something?
2008-04-01 18:22 < Alkivar> demi indeed there was
2008-04-01 18:22 < Messedrocker> unsk unsk alkivar
2008-04-01 18:24 < Lucifer_Cat> fsck fsck Messedrocker
2008-04-01 18:25 < Messedrocker> loosifer kat
2008-04-01 18:25 < Messedrocker> loosifer kat is loose
2008-04-01 18:25 < Messedrocker> you dirty dirty girl
2008-04-01 18:25 < Lucifer_Cat> FU!
2008-04-01 18:26 < Lucifer_Cat> lol that reminds me... the canteen next to my college was called "Fee Faa Foo"
2008-04-01 18:27 < Lucifer_Cat> for Feelings Fast Food. and the name either way was incredibly stupid/funny for a run down unhygenic indian fastfood shack
2008-04-01 18:34 < Lucifer_Cat> ChatKill- II
2008-04-01 18:36 < NotACow> hm.
2008-04-01 18:36 < NotACow> hillary doesn't provide health care for her staffers.
2008-04-01 18:37 < ijustam> how ironic.
2008-04-01 18:37 < kingturtle> notacow, it's too expensive
2008-04-01 18:37 < NotACow> obama's campaign does, however.
2008-04-01 18:37 < kingturtle> that's the point
2008-04-01 18:37 < MECU> sourceforge rules
2008-04-01 18:37 < kingturtle> do they? where are you getting this?
2008-04-01 18:37 < ijustam> <MECU> sourceforge rules
2008-04-01 18:37 < ijustam> this person speaks the truth
2008-04-01 18:38 < NotACow> well, actually, her campaign workers would get health care, except that hillary isnt paying the premiums
2008-04-01 18:39 < MECU> kingturtle: they should run for president
2008-04-01 18:39 < NotACow> people who speak the truth should not be trusted.
2008-04-01 18:40 < fruitbag> Who here believes that Hillary should give up her campaign?
2008-04-01 18:40 < NotACow> fruitbag: you mean she hasn't?
2008-04-01 18:41 < Lucifer_Cat> NotACow: right now, shes a bigger problem for the world than dubya
2008-04-01 18:41 < MECU> the problem is that all women have to vote for Hilary, and all black people have to vote for Obama. At least I, a white male, still have a choice.
2008-04-01 18:41 < NotACow> MECU: i must have missed that memo
2008-04-01 18:41 < Hello32020> I don't more infighting among democrats the better (As you probably infer I support McCain :D )
2008-04-01 18:41 < NotACow> MECU: who do black women have to vote for?
2008-04-01 18:42 < MECU> NotACow: it's a joke, laugh
2008-04-01 18:42 < Cyrius> Hello32020: woo, 100 years of occupation!
2008-04-01 18:42 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: neat
2008-04-01 18:42 < Hello32020> Cyrius: Obama has said he would keep a residual force as well
2008-04-01 18:42 < Lucifer_Cat> MECU: new? NotACow doesnt laugh
2008-04-01 18:43 * NotACow throws a brick at Lucifer_Cat
2008-04-01 18:43 < Lucifer_Cat> she only makes people cry
2008-04-01 18:43 < Lucifer_Cat> see ;_;
2008-04-01 18:43 < OvrLrd-Q> ::::) HI IM A SPIDER
2008-04-01 18:43 < ijustam> spider go squish
2008-04-01 18:43 < Lucifer_Cat> BORIS THE SPIDER!!!!
2008-04-01 18:44 * Lucifer_Cat THWACKS OvrLrd-Q with a rolled up newspaper
2008-04-01 18:44 < MECU> Lucifer_Cat: I r not new
2008-04-01 18:44 < denelson83> Executable files make such funny sounds when you play them as WAV files
2008-04-01 18:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Connecting to boomer:5950 got: Connection timed out
2008-04-01 18:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Dammit!
2008-04-01 18:46 * Ceiling_Cat cries
2008-04-01 18:46 < Hello32020> o rly
2008-04-01 18:46 * Lucifer_Cat huggles Ceiling_Cat ... dont cry baby
2008-04-01 18:46 < OvrLrd-Q> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBo8yc4_DzA <-- snoring bunny
2008-04-01 18:47 * Lucifer_Cat is getting dell-aware
2008-04-01 18:48 < Ceiling_Cat> it's not fair, dammit
2008-04-01 18:48 * Ceiling_Cat just figured out how to reliably run programs on it
2008-04-01 18:48 < Ceiling_Cat> and it crashes
2008-04-01 18:50 < Lucifer_Cat> whats boomer?
2008-04-01 18:50 < denelson83> boomer? where?
2008-04-01 18:51 < Midorihana> ?
2008-04-01 18:51 < MECU> [[Boomer Sooner]]?
2008-04-01 18:51 < The359> [[Boomer (Battlestar Galactica)]] ?
2008-04-01 18:51 < Midorihana> [[Boomer]] ?
2008-04-01 18:52 < ijustam> internet
2008-04-01 18:52 < ijustam> dying
2008-04-01 18:52 < ijustam> oh god
2008-04-01 18:52 < ijustam> must.. finish.. online homework..
2008-04-01 18:52 < ijustam> but first.. bug report..
2008-04-01 18:53 < Leslie_S> fhmm
2008-04-01 18:53 < Leslie_S> if Maintenance had entered my apartment and fixed my water heater while i was gone...would they have left a note or something?
2008-04-01 18:55 < Midorihana> I would think so
2008-04-01 18:55 < ijustam> not necessarily
2008-04-01 18:55 < ijustam> maintence people dont leave notes when they work on my stuff
2008-04-01 18:55 < Midorihana> guess not.
2008-04-01 18:55 < Leslie_S> ijustam so how am i supposed to know if they came?
2008-04-01 18:55 < ijustam> was it for-hire?
2008-04-01 18:55 < ijustam> or through your landlord?
2008-04-01 18:56 < Leslie_S> landlord
2008-04-01 18:56 < Mike_H> WAYCROSS, Ga. - A group of third-graders plotted to attack their teacher, bringing a broken steak knife, handcuffs, duct tape and other items for the job and assigning children tasks including covering the windows and cleaning up afterward, police said Tuesday.
2008-04-01 18:56 < ijustam> i'd assume your landlord would know. if your water heater is still busted up, contatc your landlord
2008-04-01 18:56 < ijustam> if the repair person never showed he would hopefully know
2008-04-01 18:56 < ijustam> unless your landlord is a jackass
2008-04-01 18:56 < Cyrius> Mike_H: I know someone who needs to be kept away from that story
2008-04-01 18:57 < MECU> statements like this physically hurt me: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MECU&diff=202634235&oldid=202541056
2008-04-01 18:57 < Mike_H> Cyrius: eh?
2008-04-01 18:57 < Cyrius> 2nd grade teacher who panics about everything
2008-04-01 18:57 < Mike_H> oh, Lord.
2008-04-01 18:57 * ST47 wonders what the hell [[Template:Phh:Diff]] is for
2008-04-01 18:57 < Leslie_S> BAH
2008-04-01 18:57 < kenlyric> who ratted them out?
2008-04-01 18:58 < kenlyric> inside snitch?
2008-04-01 18:58 < ijustam> ST47: it appears to be a newline character
2008-04-01 18:58 < ijustam> why it exists i dont know
2008-04-01 18:58 < ST47> No, it's a non-breaking space
2008-04-01 18:58 < Leslie_S> I checked to see if the water heater was working, so i went to run a bath (it was heating up, but it would cut to cold extremely quickly). i go in there, theres hardly any water in the tub (but theres water in it), and its already cut to cold.
2008-04-01 18:58 < ST47> Again, why it exitsts...
2008-04-01 18:58 < Leslie_S> Then i turn the faucet off, and realize the drain was open
2008-04-01 18:58 < Leslie_S> ;/
2008-04-01 18:58 < ijustam> and why it's vandalized is a greater mystery
2008-04-01 18:58 < Alkivar> lol @ muppet bloopers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw
2008-04-01 18:58 < ST47> Indeed
2008-04-01 18:58 < ijustam>   is a space?
2008-04-01 18:58 < ST47> Yeah
2008-04-01 18:59 < ijustam> i thought that was line break
2008-04-01 18:59 < ST47> One that doesn't 'break' lines
2008-04-01 18:59 < ijustam> oh
2008-04-01 18:59 < Leslie_S> uhm
2008-04-01 18:59 < ijustam> nbsp .. non break space
2008-04-01 18:59 < Leslie_S> Theres a damn good reason for it to exist, too.
2008-04-01 18:59 < ijustam> i guess that actually makes sense
2008-04-01 18:59 < ST47> Like, if you use it, everything stays on the same line
2008-04-01 18:59 < ST47> :)
2008-04-01 18:59 < Leslie_S> i always wondered why it was called that though...
2008-04-01 18:59 < ST47> Leslie_S: So random vandals can screw with it and confuse me?
2008-04-01 18:59 < ST47> That seems to be happening too often nowadays.
2008-04-01 19:00 < Leslie_S> it exists for things where you need a space but cannot use one.
2008-04-01 19:00 < ST47> But why is it called Phh:Diff?
2008-04-01 19:00 < ST47> Why not "Template:Nbsp"
2008-04-01 19:01 < ST47> Or "Template:Space"
2008-04-01 19:01 < Cyrius> it's not actually for anything.
2008-04-01 19:01 * ST47 thanks Cyrius for seeing the light
2008-04-01 19:01 < Cream> hey ST47 dear :)
2008-04-01 19:01 < ST47> Hey
2008-04-01 19:01 * Cream cuddles ST47
2008-04-01 19:01 * Cream goes all gay on ST47
2008-04-01 19:02 < Messedrocker> :O
2008-04-01 19:02 * ST47 bans Cream
2008-04-01 19:02 < Cream> no banhammer
2008-04-01 19:03 < ST47> Happy end of april fool's day!
2008-04-01 19:03 < Cream> you too :)
2008-04-01 19:03 < ijustam> still got 4 more hours of trickey here
2008-04-01 19:03 < Alkivar> end of?
2008-04-01 19:03 < ijustam> trickery, even
2008-04-01 19:03 < Cream> ST47
2008-04-01 19:03 < Alkivar> lol 4 hrs more here
2008-04-01 19:03 < Messedrocker> is it midnight on april 2 in the land of UTC?
2008-04-01 19:03 < Cream> i have a secret for you
2008-04-01 19:03 < Cream> I am a girl?
2008-04-01 19:03 < ST47> UTC owns you all.
2008-04-01 19:03 < Cream> I am a girl!
2008-04-01 19:04 < ST47> I see
2008-04-01 19:04 * Cream checks the weather
2008-04-01 19:04 < Hello32020> we're no strangers to love
2008-04-01 19:04 < fruitbag> Guys -- how do CD players locate a track?
2008-04-01 19:04 < ST47> Magic
2008-04-01 19:05 < Cream> you know the rules and so do i
2008-04-01 19:05 < Cream> fruitbag, they read the TOC
2008-04-01 19:06 < ijustam> i thinkits safe to say
2008-04-01 19:06 < ijustam> witohut wikipedia i would be failing chemistry
2008-04-01 19:06 < Cream> wikipedia is not accepted in my school
2008-04-01 19:06 < Cream> the teacher clearly said it
2008-04-01 19:06 * ST47 loves chemistry
2008-04-01 19:06 < Cream> ST47, this session, i have a chemistry class :)
2008-04-01 19:07 < Hello32020> A full commitments what Im thinking of
2008-04-01 19:07 < ijustam> i use it to look up compounds of ions
2008-04-01 19:07 < ijustam> :/
2008-04-01 19:07 < OvrLrd-Q> wow phillips wants $5k and the IEC wants $242 for the redbook audio standard docu
2008-04-01 19:07 < Alkivar> this is not rickroll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0md6Flcrd0s
2008-04-01 19:07 < ijustam> Alkivar: that is the worst idea, ever
2008-04-01 19:07 < Alkivar> ijustam: it actually isnt a rick roll ... thats why its great
2008-04-01 19:08 < ST47> Link is safe
2008-04-01 19:08 < Gracenotes> safe?
2008-04-01 19:08 < Cream> fuck
2008-04-01 19:08 * ST47 pelts Alkivar with small marbles
2008-04-01 19:08 < Cream> i clicked a rickroll
2008-04-01 19:08 < ST47> Cream: You lose.
2008-04-01 19:08 < Bspec> Alkivar: weird
2008-04-01 19:08 < Gracenotes> meaning not a rickroll, or safe for work? >.>
2008-04-01 19:08 < ST47> Gracenotes: Both.
2008-04-01 19:09 < Gracenotes> yeah right.
2008-04-01 19:09 < fruitbag> What's all this rickroll stuff?
2008-04-01 19:09 < Gracenotes> winnars use the YouTube API to determine whether a video is a rickroll or not.
2008-04-01 19:09 < ST47> But primarily, it' not porn and won't crash your computer
2008-04-01 19:09 < ST47> Both of which are a plus.
2008-04-01 19:09 < Gracenotes> whereas lastmeasure...
2008-04-01 19:09 < Cream> ST47, this is definitively not a rickroll http://0100.0312.0243.0300/
2008-04-01 19:09 < ST47> Your numbers have zeros in them.
2008-04-01 19:10 < Cream> still
2008-04-01 19:10 < Cream> it's a valid URL
2008-04-01 19:10 < Hello32020> do you rickroll sir? no sir, I don't rickroll you sir, but I do rickroll sir.
2008-04-01 19:10 < Lucifer_Cat> Alkivar: awesome
2008-04-01 19:10 < ST47> Forbidden
2008-04-01 19:10 < ST47> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
2008-04-01 19:10 < ST47> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
2008-04-01 19:10 < ST47> Apache/1.3.33 Server at AppStuff Port 80
2008-04-01 19:10 < snowolf> yeah
2008-04-01 19:10 < Cream> then try this
2008-04-01 19:10 < ST47> No, it isn't a rickroll
2008-04-01 19:10 < Cream> hmm
2008-04-01 19:10 < Lucifer_Cat> Cream: isp blocks 80?
2008-04-01 19:11 < Cream> internetisseriousbusiness.com
2008-04-01 19:11 < fruitbag> Hey
2008-04-01 19:11 < fruitbag> Can I rockroll?
2008-04-01 19:11 < Hello32020> No, but you can rickroll
2008-04-01 19:11 < ST47> That's some sort os last measure
2008-04-01 19:11 < ST47> Or something bad.
2008-04-01 19:11 < fruitbag> I want to fruitbagroll
2008-04-01 19:11 < nokmar> you can rock roll
2008-04-01 19:11 < ST47> Oh, and there's a rickroll in it too
2008-04-01 19:11 < Hello32020> no, but you can barrel roll
2008-04-01 19:12 < nokmar> http://www.emporia.edu/earthsci/garden/rock06.jpg
2008-04-01 19:12 < Lucifer_Cat> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rtFotf7NEWg&feature=related
2008-04-01 19:12 < Cream> ST47 with javascript popups
2008-04-01 19:12 < Lucifer_Cat> Cream: i know that address. its evil.
2008-04-01 19:12 < Cream> I spammed it today
2008-04-01 19:12 < ST47> There's some sort of icky javascript, I don't care to know what
2008-04-01 19:12 < Cream> still
2008-04-01 19:12 < Cream> Tay Zonday wins them all
2008-04-01 19:13 * sorryitwasme moves his mouth away from the mike to breathe in
2008-04-01 19:13 < Cream> fuck
2008-04-01 19:13 < Cream> bad weather tonight
2008-04-01 19:13 < Cream> :(
2008-04-01 19:13 < Hello32020> where you live
2008-04-01 19:14 < Cream> Saint-Lambert, Québec, Canada
2008-04-01 19:14 < Hello32020> nice
2008-04-01 19:14 < Cream> yup
2008-04-01 19:14 < Cream> next to Montréal
2008-04-01 19:14 < Hello32020> I live in suburban Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, got a little rain today not much though
2008-04-01 19:15 < Cream> fun
2008-04-01 19:15 < Cream> we had rain today
2008-04-01 19:15 < Cream> and towards the end of the day
2008-04-01 19:15 < Cream> it was sunny and warm
2008-04-01 19:15 < Cream> now it's a bit overcast
2008-04-01 19:15 < Hello32020> yeah pretty warm here too
2008-04-01 19:15 < Cream> and with a strong wind warning too
2008-04-01 19:15 < Hello32020> cold front coming through soon though
2008-04-01 19:16 < Cream> yup
2008-04-01 19:16 < fruitbag> Hey
2008-04-01 19:16 < fruitbag> What do you guys think have been unique to the noughties?
2008-04-01 19:16 < fruitbag> ...what has been unique to this decade?
2008-04-01 19:16 < Cream> I like that canada weather service offers a weather RSS feed
2008-04-01 19:16 < Lucifer_Cat> crappy memes
2008-04-01 19:16 < Cream> pokémon
2008-04-01 19:16 < fruitbag> Adultswim!
2008-04-01 19:16 < Cream> no no no
2008-04-01 19:16 < Lucifer_Cat> youtube
2008-04-01 19:17 < Alkivar> LOL NEW RICK MASHUP: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cd83aEpZfE8&watch_response
2008-04-01 19:17 < Cream> it's the trashbin of the century
2008-04-01 19:17 < Cream> 4chan
2008-04-01 19:17 * ST47 gets bored
2008-04-01 19:17 < fruitbag> Lucifer_Cat: well, that won't be unique to this decade, though -- Youtube will continue on to subsequent decades.
2008-04-01 19:17 < ST47> Don't link anything inappropriate.
2008-04-01 19:17 < fruitbag> What's the deal with all this fashion about footless pantyhose
2008-04-01 19:17 * The359 links ST47's mother
2008-04-01 19:17 < fruitbag> ...that's a fad over here
2008-04-01 19:17 < Lucifer_Cat> best is youtube. i'd say google too since they got *really* onto it in 00s
2008-04-01 19:18 < fruitbag> The noughties has been an interesting decade
2008-04-01 19:18 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: oh that way
2008-04-01 19:18 < fruitbag> Lucifer_Cat: girls are so skinny in the 00s
2008-04-01 19:18 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: then its too soon to tell. you dunno what will survive a few years from now
2008-04-01 19:18 < sorryitwasme> the church of scientology found a new enemy
2008-04-01 19:18 < fruitbag> They're skinny as posicle sticks
2008-04-01 19:18 < fruitbag> It's disgusting
2008-04-01 19:18 < sorryitwasme> and it's teengers with acne
2008-04-01 19:18 < Cream> Anonymous
2008-04-01 19:18 < sorryitwasme> woo
2008-04-01 19:18 < Cream> never forgive
2008-04-01 19:18 < Cream> sorry
2008-04-01 19:18 < Cream> nevar forgive
2008-04-01 19:18 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: i'd say girls thronged both the extremes in 00s
2008-04-01 19:18 < Messedrocker> i actually have very little acne
2008-04-01 19:19 < sorryitwasme> the liek of kudkips will prevail
2008-04-01 19:19 < sorryitwasme> argh, mudkips
2008-04-01 19:19 < sorryitwasme> fail
2008-04-01 19:19 < fruitbag> People haven't been afraid to try anytuong in this decade.
2008-04-01 19:19 < Cream> so i herd u liek mudkips
2008-04-01 19:19 < fruitbag> ...alot of wierd shit has being going on.
2008-04-01 19:19 < fruitbag> Like that guy in Germany who did you-know-what in 2001
2008-04-01 19:19 < fruitbag> I don't even want to mention what he did -- it makes me sick
2008-04-01 19:19 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: bush legacy
2008-04-01 19:20 < Lucifer_Cat> atleast let PRAY it is confined to this decade.
2008-04-01 19:20 < fruitbag> Generally speaking, the noughties has been wierd.
2008-04-01 19:20 < fruitbag> Alot of wierd fetishes and crap
2008-04-01 19:20 < fruitbag> People are sexually experimenting with anything
2008-04-01 19:20 < Messedrocker> The 2000s.
2008-04-01 19:20 < Messedrocker> Is the 2000s.
2008-04-01 19:20 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: take that outside.
2008-04-01 19:20 < Cream> fruitbag, wanna watch something way fucked up?
2008-04-01 19:20 < sorryitwasme> and apple invented a way to make people cum at the sight of their shitty portable products
2008-04-01 19:20 < fruitbag> No thanks, Cream.
2008-04-01 19:20 < Cream> i wanted to suggest swap.avi
2008-04-01 19:20 < fruitbag> But, guys... there have been positive things too.
2008-04-01 19:21 < fruitbag> Alot of fads and fashions from the 1980s, 60s and 70s have crept up into this decade.
2008-04-01 19:21 < Lucifer_Cat> fruitbag: we'll have this convo in 2 years. kthxbai
2008-04-01 19:21 < Cream> fruitbag, go vandalize a userpage
2008-04-01 19:22 < fruitbag> A cultural stamp of this decade is inbte
2008-04-01 19:22 < sorryitwasme> the crowning achievement of this decade has to be the creation of Longcat
2008-04-01 19:22 < fruitbag> ...internet cafes and Wi-Fi spots
2008-04-01 19:23 < Messedrocker> internet cafes are soooo 90s
2008-04-01 19:23 < Messedrocker> the new thing is wi-fi hotspots
2008-04-01 19:23 < Lucifer_Cat> the 00s is when the mp3 player got all funky and the phone got all revolutionalized
2008-04-01 19:24 < Lucifer_Cat> 00s is when the "really cool special effects" didnt remain all that cool anymore
2008-04-01 19:24 < Messedrocker> nah
2008-04-01 19:24 < Messedrocker> just CLICHÉ
2008-04-01 19:25 < Lucifer_Cat> what Messedrocker? didnt get you
2008-04-01 19:25 < Messedrocker> huh?
2008-04-01 19:25 < Lucifer_Cat> you mean they became cliche, or what i said was cliche, or both?
2008-04-01 19:25 < Messedrocker> they became cliché
2008-04-01 19:25 < fruitbag> Wi-Fi spots are very noughties
2008-04-01 19:26 < Messedrocker> 2000s.
2008-04-01 19:26 < Messedrocker> No one says "nought" in the 2000s.
2008-04-01 19:26 < Messedrocker> What is this, 19th century London?
2008-04-01 19:26 < fruitbag> But, still... they won't be unique to this decade.
2008-04-01 19:26 < fruitbag> Wi-Fi will continue.
2008-04-01 19:26 < fruitbag> It's not like, say, records.
2008-04-01 19:26 < fruitbag> What I want are unique things.
2008-04-01 19:27 < Messedrocker> you know what the 2000s is marked by the most?
2008-04-01 19:27 < Messedrocker> wikipedia
2008-04-01 19:27 < fruitbag> Yes