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2008-04-01 08:27 < NotACow> moo
2008-04-01 08:27 < NotACow> MOO
2008-04-01 08:27 < NotACow> MOOOOOOO!
2008-04-01 08:29 < SynergeticMag> i'm just happy i got to blank a page and i'm not a vandal
2008-04-01 08:36 < arcimboldo_> "Two Zanu-PF sources told Reuters news agency that their party's projections were similar, with 48% for Mr Tsvangirai, against 43% for Mr Mugabe."
2008-04-01 08:36 < arcimboldo_> that would be at least some progress ...
2008-04-01 08:38 < NotACow> whee
2008-04-01 08:38 < NotACow> another day's practice tests complete
2008-04-01 08:38 < WilliamH_Cat> how many times do we have to flush before mugabe goes away
2008-04-01 08:39 < NotACow> WilliamH_Cat: pull the lever again.
2008-04-01 08:39 < NotACow> I WANT TO FLUSH AGAIN!
2008-04-01 08:42 < rw> This
2008-04-01 08:44 < Aqwis> is
2008-04-01 08:44 < WilliamH_Cat> sparta
2008-04-01 08:46 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-04-01 08:46 < CharlotteWebb> that was just a dream. that's me in the corner
2008-04-01 08:46 < CharlotteWebb> R.E.M. is on teh today show
2008-04-01 08:47 < CharlotteWebb> ^_^
2008-04-01 08:47 < NotACow> they're still alive?
2008-04-01 08:48 < CharlotteWebb> evidently!
2008-04-01 08:48 < NotACow> amazing
2008-04-01 08:48 < NotACow> they're like 105 years old, aren't they?
2008-04-01 08:49 < WilliamH_Cat> *109
2008-04-01 08:49 * Mark_Ryan waves hello at bumm13
2008-04-01 08:49 < WilliamH_Cat> i like REM
2008-04-01 08:49 < bumm13> haven't done anything meaningful since 1991 or so
2008-04-01 08:49 < NotACow> I CAN HAS GERITOL?
2008-04-01 08:49 < CharlotteWebb> actually michael stipe isn't quite 50
2008-04-01 08:50 < CharlotteWebb> hmm promoting 14th studio album
2008-04-01 08:53 < WilliamH_Cat> heh
2008-04-01 08:53 < NotACow> IN DIE POO
2008-04-01 08:53 < WilliamH_Cat> where might that quote originate from
2008-04-01 08:53 * WilliamH_Cat successfully closes another AFD
2008-04-01 08:55 < CharlotteWebb> define "successfully"
2008-04-01 08:56 < CharlotteWebb> you mean without suffering acute editconflictitis
2008-04-01 08:56 < CharlotteWebb> or without an immediate "deletion review" notice
2008-04-01 08:57 < rw> hiho
2008-04-01 08:57 < CharlotteWebb> or do you mean that the afd was successful, i.e. the page was deleted
2008-04-01 08:58 < Leslie_S> O_o
2008-04-01 08:58 < Leslie_S> Albert Einstein supported gay rights :o
2008-04-01 08:59 < WilliamH_Cat> sorry charlotte, i had to answer the door
2008-04-01 08:59 < WilliamH_Cat> it was the police
2008-04-01 08:59 * Cream troutslaps everyone
2008-04-01 09:00 < bumm13> >(,')
2008-04-01 09:00 < WilliamH_Cat> some unscrupulous activity has been going on at the farm nearby
2008-04-01 09:00 * WilliamH_Cat did chuckle that the officer's number was 1337
2008-04-01 09:00 < WilliamH_Cat> charlotte there was consensus of keep
2008-04-01 09:01 < WilliamH_Cat> and by successful i mean "i did it correctly" since it was only the second time i have done it
2008-04-01 09:01 < WilliamH_Cat> :)
2008-04-01 09:07 < LordAnubis> hi, Anyone from Armenia?
2008-04-01 09:07 < Cream> hmm, i'm from Canada
2008-04-01 09:07 < rw> Nope , from germany =)
2008-04-01 09:07 < Cream> not Armenia
2008-04-01 09:08 < WilliamH_Cat> hi LA
2008-04-01 09:08 * WilliamH_Cat is not from Armenia
2008-04-01 09:09 < LordAnubis> WilliamH_Cat, sup
2008-04-01 09:09 < LordAnubis> WilliamH_Cat, know anyone from Armenia?
2008-04-01 09:09 < Cream> well
2008-04-01 09:09 < Cream> you
2008-04-01 09:09 < Cream> you're from Armenia
2008-04-01 09:09 < LordAnubis> who
2008-04-01 09:09 < LordAnubis> me? nop
2008-04-01 09:09 < LordAnubis> lol
2008-04-01 09:10 < WilliamH_Cat> no, i dont
2008-04-01 09:10 < WilliamH_Cat> sorry
2008-04-01 09:12 < NotACow> blop blop blop
2008-04-01 09:16 * SynergeticMag goes back to hiding because he is from America
2008-04-01 09:17 < NotACow> DEATH TO HIDING
2008-04-01 09:18 < WilliamH_Cat> must dash
2008-04-01 09:18 < WilliamH_Cat> toodles
2008-04-01 09:18 < Sceptre> why is there a video for a "simple rube goldberg machine"?
2008-04-01 09:18 < Sceptre> aren't they by definition not simple?
2008-04-01 09:18 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-04-01 09:20 < rw> allright my dear friends i have to go =)
2008-04-01 09:20 < rw> cu all
2008-04-01 09:20 < Leslie_S> so if my workplace allows a "woman" to wear a beard, a "man" wearing eyeliner should be fine, right? :P
2008-04-01 09:20 < Cream> hmm
2008-04-01 09:20 < Cream> well
2008-04-01 09:21 < Cream> transvetites and drag queens
2008-04-01 09:21 < Leslie_S> uhm, excuse me?
2008-04-01 09:21 < Leslie_S> that's not whats fucking going on.
2008-04-01 09:21 < Cream> well
2008-04-01 09:21 < Cream> transvetites tend to wear eyeliner and heavy makeup
2008-04-01 09:21 < Leslie_S> ....
2008-04-01 09:21 < Leslie_S> Lots of men wear eyeliner.
2008-04-01 09:21 < Leslie_S> So do lots of women.
2008-04-01 09:22 < Leslie_S> and this is not only stupid, but has nothing to do with what i said.
2008-04-01 09:23 < NotACow> Leslie_S: cream is a troll anyway. and, apparently, a rapist-wannabee.
2008-04-01 09:23 < Cream> NotACow is clearly a cow
2008-04-01 09:23 < NotACow> at least i'm not a rapist.
2008-04-01 09:23 < CharlotteWebb> death to underachievers
2008-04-01 09:23 < Leslie_S> but are they seriously going to say anything about me wearing eyeliner, when they employ a "woman" with a beard?
2008-04-01 09:24 < CharlotteWebb> wait, that was the wrong thing to say
2008-04-01 09:24 < NotACow> CharlotteWebb: heh
2008-04-01 09:24 < NotACow> Leslie_S: depends on whether it's tasteful or not.
2008-04-01 09:24 < NotACow> Leslie_S: try to avoid blue.
2008-04-01 09:24 < NotACow> blue eyeliner almost always looks bad
2008-04-01 09:24 < NotACow> oh, wait, that's eyeshadow.
2008-04-01 09:24 < Leslie_S> NotACow eyeliner in anything but black or brown or charcoal looks bad.
2008-04-01 09:24 < NotACow> what do i know
2008-04-01 09:24 < NotACow> Leslie_S: magenta could be interesting
2008-04-01 09:24 * brown_cat waves to Leslie_S :)
2008-04-01 09:24 < brown_cat> how are you?
2008-04-01 09:25 < NotACow> i haven't worn eyeliner or eyeshadow in at least five years
2008-04-01 09:25 < Leslie_S> NotACow i have very pretty irises. i dont want to draw attention away from the iris much.
2008-04-01 09:25 < brown_cat> O_o FEMINIST
2008-04-01 09:25 * brown_cat hides
2008-04-01 09:25 < NotACow> brown_cat: nah, i'm just lazy
2008-04-01 09:25 < brown_cat> hahaa
2008-04-01 09:26 * brown_cat can imagine having to wax his 4000 tonne drama teacher as a class project O_o
2008-04-01 09:26 < Leslie_S> NotACow ill probably wait until after inventory to do it though. eyeliner is going to look rough after working for 20 hours at a time, isnt it? :P
2008-04-01 09:26 < IceKarma> Leslie_S, can we say "raccoon eyes"
2008-04-01 09:26 < Cream> titmouse
2008-04-01 09:26 < NotACow> Leslie_S: unless you like spray lacquer on it or something
2008-04-01 09:26 < Leslie_S> IceKarma whats that have to do with working 20 hours?
2008-04-01 09:27 < NotACow> note: i don't recommend spraying lacquer on your eyeliner.
2008-04-01 09:27 < Leslie_S> NotACow actually, i have some liquid thats waterproof and smudge proof to the point where it would probably last for months if i didnt shower. but...its a pain to remove.
2008-04-01 09:27 < NotACow> yeah
2008-04-01 09:27 < IceKarma> Leslie_S, skin oils will tend to cause some spreading-out of the eyeliner/mascara, depending on formula
2008-04-01 09:27 < NotACow> there's a reason i stopped wearing all that stuff :)
2008-04-01 09:28 < IceKarma> Leslie_S, and, well, yes, of course it's a pain to get off
2008-04-01 09:28 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-04-01 09:28 < Leslie_S> why arent there pencil eyeliners that are waterproof and dont suck?
2008-04-01 09:28 < IceKarma> s/are waterproof and//
2008-04-01 09:29 < Leslie_S> i bought one, it was a retractable mechanical pencil one....fucking wasted the lead the first time i used it
2008-04-01 09:29 < Leslie_S> IceKarma what the fuck is that about?
2008-04-01 09:29 < NotACow> heh
2008-04-01 09:29 < CharlotteWebb> anything you do to change your appearance will be made fun of no matter what
2008-04-01 09:29 < CharlotteWebb> that's how life is
2008-04-01 09:29 < Leslie_S> there was nothing to correct.
2008-04-01 09:29 < CharlotteWebb> for example when i got my eyebrow pierced my dad asked me if had been fishing
2008-04-01 09:29 < NotACow> CharlotteWebb: haha
2008-04-01 09:29 < NotACow> CharlotteWebb: i always get the urge to tie things to other people's eyebrow pierces.
2008-04-01 09:30 < NotACow> CharlotteWebb: bits of ribbon, network cable, whatever.
2008-04-01 09:30 < IceKarma> have y'all seen the "pierced glasses"?
2008-04-01 09:30 < Leslie_S> CharlotteWebb heh. i dont care fi people make fun of me. the question is, would i be allowe to wear it to work..
2008-04-01 09:30 < NotACow> IceKarma: yes
2008-04-01 09:30 < CharlotteWebb> i don't know. talk to your co-workers
2008-04-01 09:31 < CharlotteWebb> err... associates
2008-04-01 09:31 < CharlotteWebb> your supervisor
2008-04-01 09:32 < NotACow> subvisor
2008-04-01 09:33 < Leslie_S> i need a boyfriend
2008-04-01 09:33 < Leslie_S> ;/
2008-04-01 09:33 < NotACow> buy one online.
2008-04-01 09:33 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-04-01 09:33 < IceKarma> and -you- think she jests
2008-04-01 09:33 < CharlotteWebb> a rachel marsden joke could probably be worked in here somehow
2008-04-01 09:34 < CharlotteWebb> fucking ebay
2008-04-01 09:34 < bumm13> was it good?
2008-04-01 09:34 < CharlotteWebb> fucking as in fucking stupid
2008-04-01 09:34 * bumm13 ducks
2008-04-01 09:34 < bumm13> did you get burned?
2008-04-01 09:35 < Sceptre> bumm13, CharlotteWebb: no, Paypal is a bitch
2008-04-01 09:35 < Leslie_S> i could use some fucking
2008-04-01 09:35 < Warpath> O_O
2008-04-01 09:35 < NotACow> wtf is an "automatic sandbagger"?
2008-04-01 09:35 < CharlotteWebb> you mean ripped off heh no i've never used ebay
2008-04-01 09:35 < CharlotteWebb> probably a machine that automatically bags sand
2008-04-01 09:35 < bumm13> so why the malice?
2008-04-01 09:35 < Warpath> XD
2008-04-01 09:36 < CharlotteWebb> lots of stupid shit for sale there
2008-04-01 09:36 < NotACow> After a 2-block-long peninsula of Nunda Township homes in McHenry County flooded last year, township officials bought an automatic sandbagger, and Monday they headed to the subdivision to help residents prepare for the worst.
2008-04-01 09:36 < bumm13> lots of awesome shit :-)
2008-04-01 09:36 < Leslie_S> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Wheel_clamp.jpg
2008-04-01 09:36 < NotACow> flood season is starting here in chicagoland
2008-04-01 09:36 < Leslie_S> ugliest wheel clamp ever made
2008-04-01 09:36 < bumm13> the tundra's thawing out?
2008-04-01 09:36 < Cream> okay
2008-04-01 09:36 < Cream> I'm off
2008-04-01 09:37 < Cream> toodles everyone
2008-04-01 09:37 < Cream> <3
2008-04-01 09:37 < CharlotteWebb> well the real challenge would be quickly finding enough sand to bag up
2008-04-01 09:38 < CharlotteWebb> raid the playgrounds
2008-04-01 09:38 < Leslie_S> bye
2008-04-01 09:38 < Leslie_S> off to HELL
2008-04-01 09:38 < Leslie_S> Hell on Wheels, infact.
2008-04-01 09:38 < CharlotteWebb> we hell for less
2008-04-01 09:38 < Leslie_S> LOL
2008-04-01 09:38 < Leslie_S> i love how walmart doesnt allow comp shopping
2008-04-01 09:38 < Leslie_S> but they comp shop
2008-04-01 09:38 < Leslie_S> fucking idiots
2008-04-01 09:39 < NotACow> sauce for the goose is intended only for the goose.
2008-04-01 09:40 < Netsniper> Leslie_S: do you get discount?
2008-04-01 09:43 < NotACow> MOO
2008-04-01 09:44 < CharlotteWebb> SynergeticMag, get a calculator if you doubt me
2008-04-01 09:45 < SynergeticMag> that was a nonsense edit summary
2008-04-01 09:45 < SynergeticMag> i was hoping to start an edit war but...
2008-04-01 09:45 < SynergeticMag> oh well
2008-04-01 09:45 < SynergeticMag> wait
2008-04-01 09:46 < SynergeticMag> why in the hell would you do the math?
2008-04-01 09:46 < CharlotteWebb> what day is it again?
2008-04-01 09:47 * SynergeticMag grumbles
2008-04-01 09:47 < SynergeticMag> you know, i never liked you
2008-04-01 09:47 < SynergeticMag> ever since i first posted to your talk page
2008-04-01 09:47 < SynergeticMag> :)
2008-04-01 09:47 < SynergeticMag> back in 2006 i think
2008-04-01 09:47 < SynergeticMag> first archive
2008-04-01 09:48 < The_sunder_king> !admin
2008-04-01 09:49 < snowolf> The_sunder_king: mind stating what is your need in the ping?
2008-04-01 09:49 < The_sunder_king> ah, I am annoyed about a recent block an innocent user
2008-04-01 09:49 < Janneman> hiya
2008-04-01 09:50 < Janneman> anyone taking care of the vandalism on the main page already?
2008-04-01 09:50 < The_sunder_king> snowolf see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Savage2783
2008-04-01 09:50 < SynergeticMag> probably
2008-04-01 09:51 < Thehelpfulone2> Janneman: which vandalism?
2008-04-01 09:52 * Thehelpfulone2 expects the worst and fires up huggle :)
2008-04-01 09:53 < SynergeticMag> recent changes is enough for me
2008-04-01 09:53 < Janneman> Thehelpfulone2: check the FA-Box
2008-04-01 09:54 < Thehelpfulone2> Janneman: that was protected, and unprotected again
2008-04-01 09:54 < Thehelpfulone2> but shh! nobody knows that (yet ;) _
2008-04-01 09:54 < SynergeticMag> yeah i know
2008-04-01 09:55 < The_sunder_king> what?
2008-04-01 09:55 < SynergeticMag> nothing i was talking to myself
2008-04-01 09:55 < The_sunder_king> no you weren't
2008-04-01 09:56 < The_sunder_king> what is wrong with the main page?
2008-04-01 09:56 < snowolf> The_sunder_king: what's the problem with Savage2783?
2008-04-01 09:56 < SynergeticMag> well i was talking to CharlotteWebb but then when it didn't respond as usual i began talking to myself
2008-04-01 09:56 < The_sunder_king> he's been ignorantly blocked as a sock snowolf when he clearly isn't
2008-04-01 09:56 < SynergeticMag> i say "it" because "it's" unidentified
2008-04-01 09:57 < snowolf> The_sunder_king: have you brought this up at Pegasus (blocking admin) talk page?
2008-04-01 09:57 * NotACow has the vague idea of writing a random coat-of-arms generator
2008-04-01 09:57 < The_sunder_king> no I haven't, see me in pm
2008-04-01 09:57 < SQLDb> The359: I don't see anything wrong with the main page
2008-04-01 09:58 < SQLDb> err
2008-04-01 09:58 * SQLDb meant The_sunder_king
2008-04-01 09:58 < SQLDb> The_sunder_king: btw, when you have an issue with a block (and, I haven't looked into it at all, so if you have, my apologies), the first stop should really be with the blocking admin....
2008-04-01 09:59 < CharlotteWebb> we should have a venue for featured former articles
2008-04-01 09:59 < CharlotteWebb> [sic]
2008-04-01 10:00 < Demi> articles that were featured but no longer exist?
2008-04-01 10:00 < CharlotteWebb> not necessarily
2008-04-01 10:00 < CharlotteWebb> just the highest quality material we have deleted
2008-04-01 10:01 < CharlotteWebb> this is of course distinct from BJAODN
2008-04-01 10:02 < The_sunder_king> has jwales page had the usual april fools day nonsense and edit warring?
2008-04-01 10:02 * SynergeticMag takes a hand full of pills and washes it down with coffee
2008-04-01 10:03 < CharlotteWebb> are you mixing uppers and downers again?
2008-04-01 10:03 < SynergeticMag> again?
2008-04-01 10:03 < Shiroi_Neko> CharlotteWebb you IRC?
2008-04-01 10:03 < SynergeticMag> i used to do that when i was in high school
2008-04-01 10:04 < Shiroi_Neko> this is the first time I see you talking :F
2008-04-01 10:04 < SynergeticMag> yeah are you IRC?
2008-04-01 10:04 < CharlotteWebb> so why did you drop out
2008-04-01 10:04 < SynergeticMag> thats because i'm reverting it (him/her)
2008-04-01 10:04 < NotACow> DEATH TO IRC
2008-04-01 10:04 < SynergeticMag> CharlotteWebb: do i know you in real life or something? :)
2008-04-01 10:04 < SynergeticMag> moo to that
2008-04-01 10:05 < CharlotteWebb> i was just asking random loaded questions
2008-04-01 10:05 < CharlotteWebb> apologies if any of them had basis in truth
2008-04-01 10:05 < Demi> what's up with IRC, anyway?
2008-04-01 10:05 < Shiroi_Neko> SynergeticMag no such thing as real life
2008-04-01 10:05 < Shiroi_Neko> whats so real about offline activity?
2008-04-01 10:05 < SynergeticMag> ah, my mistake
2008-04-01 10:06 < Demi> the question is, why did charlottewebb drop out of high school?
2008-04-01 10:06 < nsh> anyone have access to journal articles help ransom by blackwell synergy?
2008-04-01 10:06 < Demi> i dropped out because i was bored
2008-04-01 10:06 < Demi> and the other children did not like me
2008-04-01 10:06 * Shiroi_Neko always thought Demi to be a drop-out
2008-04-01 10:06 < SynergeticMag> i dropped out because i challenge authority too much (is actually being serious)
2008-04-01 10:07 < NotACow> the question is, wy does anybody not drop out of high school?
2008-04-01 10:07 < SynergeticMag> but i made up for it with my shiny GED! ;p
2008-04-01 10:07 < SynergeticMag> plus i hate the material, its all wrong
2008-04-01 10:07 < SynergeticMag> text books lie too much
2008-04-01 10:07 * Shiroi_Neko dropped out of high-shool because they handed it a peice of paper telling me never to return
2008-04-01 10:08 < CharlotteWebb> written by POV pushers yes
2008-04-01 10:08 < Shiroi_Neko> SynergeticMag text books dont lie
2008-04-01 10:08 < Shiroi_Neko> people lie
2008-04-01 10:08 < Shiroi_Neko> they write lies
2008-04-01 10:08 < SynergeticMag> no these ones did
2008-04-01 10:08 < Shiroi_Neko> therefore the textbooks itself is innocent
2008-04-01 10:08 < SynergeticMag> they gave me harry potter books
2008-04-01 10:08 < SynergeticMag> they tried to eat me
2008-04-01 10:08 * SynergeticMag now recalls LSD usage
2008-04-01 10:08 < Aqwis> oh my god
2008-04-01 10:09 < Shiroi_Neko> SynergeticMag getting eaten is a very pleasant activity
2008-04-01 10:09 < Shiroi_Neko> Aqwis you dont have a god
2008-04-01 10:09 < SynergeticMag> not for me, i'm male :)
2008-04-01 10:09 < Aqwis> that's right
2008-04-01 10:09 < Shiroi_Neko> Aqwis :)
2008-04-01 10:10 < IceKarma> men can enjoy it just as much, they just have to be a bit more open minded
2008-04-01 10:10 < Demi> NotACow - that's a pretty good question, although i think it's possible to get something out of high school, depending on the school and what you're interested in
2008-04-01 10:10 < Shiroi_Neko> Demi if nothing there are plenty of free mates
2008-04-01 10:10 * Aqwis didn't drop out of high school because he liked high school
2008-04-01 10:10 < Aqwis> :O
2008-04-01 10:10 < Shiroi_Neko> errr
2008-04-01 10:10 < Shiroi_Neko> class-mates
2008-04-01 10:10 < Demi> yes
2008-04-01 10:10 < Shiroi_Neko> Aqwis so you still in high school?
2008-04-01 10:10 < Aqwis> but then i don't have experience from the US version
2008-04-01 10:10 < Demi> and schools vary a lot
2008-04-01 10:10 < SynergeticMag> IceKarma: no thanks :)
2008-04-01 10:10 < Aqwis> Shiroi_Neko, probably not
2008-04-01 10:11 < Demi> paul graham has interesting things to say about high schools and teenagers
2008-04-01 10:11 * Shiroi_Neko is chaning continents btw
2008-04-01 10:11 < IceKarma> I attended a small, rugby-obsessed rural high school.
2008-04-01 10:11 < Shiroi_Neko> Aqwis you mean you do not know where you are
2008-04-01 10:11 < Demi> if you like rugby, that could be just fine
2008-04-01 10:12 * Aqwis never participated in any extra-curricular activities or whatever they're called in the US
2008-04-01 10:12 < CharlotteWebb> ideally, wikipedia and sister projects will make high school obselete
2008-04-01 10:12 < IceKarma> there are actually no sports at all that I am interested enough in to pay any attention to
2008-04-01 10:12 < Aqwis> but then, there were hardly any
2008-04-01 10:12 < Shiroi_Neko> CharlotteWebb no they wont
2008-04-01 10:12 < Shiroi_Neko> you see
2008-04-01 10:12 < NotACow> CharlotteWebb: not very likely
2008-04-01 10:12 * SynergeticMag goes back to wikipedia, if you need me, ring my bell
2008-04-01 10:12 < nsh> anyone at an academic establishment?
2008-04-01 10:12 < IceKarma> in 1995, there were still half a dozen XTs left in my school's computer lab, such as it was
2008-04-01 10:12 < nsh> (right now)
2008-04-01 10:12 < Shiroi_Neko> on wikipedia we contain all the unecesary info
2008-04-01 10:12 < CharlotteWebb> i said ideally
2008-04-01 10:13 < Demi> paul graham has a theory that teenagers have so much angst these days because we are designed to start doing useful things at that time of our life, but instead are basically put in a sort of bullshit storage medium
2008-04-01 10:13 * Shiroi_Neko nominates everything for deletion
2008-04-01 10:13 < Shiroi_Neko> {{db-nonsese}}
2008-04-01 10:13 < IceKarma> meanwhile, the staff computers were updated every year
2008-04-01 10:13 < CharlotteWebb> at least u.s. high school
2008-04-01 10:13 < CharlotteWebb> that's a small hurdle
2008-04-01 10:14 < Demi> students don't need "up to date" computers
2008-04-01 10:14 * Shiroi_Neko traps CharlotteWebb in a cardboard box
2008-04-01 10:14 < Aqwis> they say the norwegian school systems suck, but i can't see why
2008-04-01 10:14 < Aqwis> *shrug*
2008-04-01 10:14 < CharlotteWebb> easy to match i mean
2008-04-01 10:14 < Demi> i have a big bug to pick with computer education
2008-04-01 10:14 * Shiroi_Neko mails it to a kenyan high school
2008-04-01 10:14 < Aqwis> i guess i'll never be political incorrect!
2008-04-01 10:14 < IceKarma> oh, did I mention that during Year 12, I a/ was refused entry into the computing class and b/ ended up teaching the computing class later that year
2008-04-01 10:14 < CharlotteWebb> demi, tell brion about it
2008-04-01 10:14 < Shiroi_Neko> Aqwis no the norwegan school system blows
2008-04-01 10:14 < Shiroi_Neko> denmark one sucks it
2008-04-01 10:14 < Shiroi_Neko> thats why it blows...
2008-04-01 10:14 < Aqwis> ok
2008-04-01 10:15 < Demi> CharlotteWebb - why's that?
2008-04-01 10:15 < Shiroi_Neko> ah
2008-04-01 10:15 < Shiroi_Neko> traffic...
2008-04-01 10:15 < CharlotteWebb> no seriously what is your bug
2008-04-01 10:16 < Demi> oh, i think "computer education" often consists of teaching students to use application programs, which is not what they need
2008-04-01 10:16 < Shiroi_Neko> IceKarma thats kinda sad actualy
2008-04-01 10:16 < Aqwis> why not, Demi?
2008-04-01 10:16 < Demi> i don't see any reason to turn kids into secretaries by teaching them how to use Word or Excel or something
2008-04-01 10:16 < Aqwis> err
2008-04-01 10:16 < IceKarma> Demi, my school taught WordPerfect.
2008-04-01 10:16 < Shiroi_Neko> "we wont let you take this class, you know too much... How about teaching the class?"
2008-04-01 10:16 < Aqwis> so noone else than secretaries use word processors?
2008-04-01 10:17 < NotACow> Demi: thats because the teachers don't know anything more than that anyway
2008-04-01 10:17 < IceKarma> Shiroi_Neko, well, at the start of the year, the computing teacher refused to allow me to enrol because I knew too much
2008-04-01 10:17 < Shiroi_Neko> Demi yea only hot blondes should be secretaries
2008-04-01 10:17 < NotACow> Aqwis: secretaries are a dying breed, in any case.
2008-04-01 10:17 < IceKarma> Shiroi_Neko, later that year, he resigned to go to Bosnia to teach UN support personnel
2008-04-01 10:17 < CharlotteWebb> well for office jobs it's a minimum skill, but more would be better
2008-04-01 10:17 < Demi> NotACow - exactly. i don't see a big need for any computer education at all.
2008-04-01 10:17 < IceKarma> Shiroi_Neko, 2/3rds through the school year the best my small rural school could come up with for a replacement was a typing teacher :/
2008-04-01 10:17 < Shiroi_Neko> I dont understand why the UN has a secretary general as title
2008-04-01 10:17 < NotACow> Demi: there needs to be education, but it needs to start when they're like 3.
2008-04-01 10:17 < Shiroi_Neko> to date no hot blonde had held the office
2008-04-01 10:18 < NotACow> Demi: my daughter will probably know more about computers than her teachers, and so will practially every other kid in the class.
2008-04-01 10:18 < CharlotteWebb> so, no point in taking it
2008-04-01 10:18 < Shiroi_Neko> I think the reason why they make people take excel and word is so that they realise how annoying it is to work with the software
2008-04-01 10:19 < Shiroi_Neko> so they hire insane people to work with them
2008-04-01 10:19 < CharlotteWebb> or take an exam early and get free credit (oh no most places won't let you do that)
2008-04-01 10:19 < Demi> there's no evidence that introducing computers helps kids learn
2008-04-01 10:19 < bumm13> most kids just use a web browser to view myspace and youtube and listen to music on their iPods :P
2008-04-01 10:19 < Shiroi_Neko> Demi sure it does
2008-04-01 10:19 < Shiroi_Neko> they learn all about sex positions from wikipedia
2008-04-01 10:19 < Lycurgus> surprise surprise, a culture that refers to "geeks" and "nerds" has an education/learning problem
2008-04-01 10:19 < Shiroi_Neko> is there anything else worthwhile to learn?
2008-04-01 10:20 * Shiroi_Neko shoots Lycurgus
2008-04-01 10:20 < Shiroi_Neko> NEVER use geeks and nerds in the same sentence
2008-04-01 10:20 < Demi> yeah, i think i'm going to start my "get computers out of schools" crusade by pointing out that it's how kids get contacted by sexual predators.
2008-04-01 10:20 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-01 10:20 < bumm13> and download illegal music files to their iPods!
2008-04-01 10:20 < Shiroi_Neko> Demi nah
2008-04-01 10:21 < Demi> if you want a computer education program, then offer it the way i learned: have them type in unsaveable programs each day on their Commodore PETs.
2008-04-01 10:21 < NotACow> Demi: hehe
2008-04-01 10:21 < SynergeticMag> someone stop me from nominating someone to RfA
2008-04-01 10:22 < Aqwis> SynergeticMag, stop
2008-04-01 10:22 < CharlotteWebb> i forgot not to take demi seriously
2008-04-01 10:22 < SynergeticMag> danke
2008-04-01 10:22 < CharlotteWebb> regardless of the day
2008-04-01 10:22 < NotACow> RESISTANCE CIRCLES; REACTANCE ARCS
2008-04-01 10:23 < Lycurgus> I only take a few people seriously here. This isn't a serious channel so far as I can tell. ST47 seems reasonably serious.
2008-04-01 10:23 < NotACow> Lycurgus: IRC is a little bird, chirping in a meadow.
2008-04-01 10:23 * Aqwis is serious :|
2008-04-01 10:23 < Aqwis> always
2008-04-01 10:23 < NotACow> serious, boring, same difference.
2008-04-01 10:23 < Demi> well, i'm serious that i don't think computers add anything to primary education and probably, for the most part, secondary as well
2008-04-01 10:23 < Lycurgus> I don't really have much of a sense of humor so I need the exercise.
2008-04-01 10:24 < IceKarma> Shiroi_Neko, woops, got interrupted. anyway, right when the typing teacher was brought in to replace the computing teacher, the next unit in the curriculum was programming in BASIC
2008-04-01 10:24 < kenlyric> serious channel?
2008-04-01 10:24 < kenlyric> no such thing on irc
2008-04-01 10:24 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-04-01 10:24 < kenlyric> if people are serious, they're doing it wrong.
2008-04-01 10:24 < Lycurgus> cause people get scared/freaked out if you're really serious most of the time.
2008-04-01 10:26 < Lycurgus> or even a little of the time if you hit the right spot.
2008-04-01 10:26 < bumm13> Demi: the only thing I got out of computer classes in high school was the time I "wasted" playing MS Hearts over the LAN with my old friends
2008-04-01 10:28 < Demi> i've been pondering the notion of first programming languages
2008-04-01 10:28 < Aqwis> are computer classes mandatory in US high schools?
2008-04-01 10:29 < bumm13> they weren't in mine, except part of freshman English each week was using word processing software :P
2008-04-01 10:31 < Demi> yeah, they weren't in mine, either, but of course that was 20 years ago :)
2008-04-01 10:31 < bumm13> this was the mid/late 90s
2008-04-01 10:31 < bumm13> but the computer hardware wasn't that new by then
2008-04-01 10:31 < IceKarma> the only time you got to use a computer at my high school was if you took the year 10 or year 12 computing classes
2008-04-01 10:31 < bumm13> the "business lab" had a bunch of IBM PS/2_s networked with NetWare
2008-04-01 10:32 < Demi> in primary and secondary school there's no reason not to let students turn in papers however they like (neatly written, typed, word-processed or emailed).
2008-04-01 10:32 < bumm13> we had some other computer classes that were in a spare room with 68030-based Macs in it
2008-04-01 10:32 < Demi> good old netware
2008-04-01 10:33 < IceKarma> well, that's not quite true, there was a really high-end machine (for the time) in the "technology and design" department (woodworking, metalworking, technical drawing, graphic design) that had been donated
2008-04-01 10:33 < bumm13> the library had a mix of old and older Macs in it (mostly networked)
2008-04-01 10:33 < IceKarma> and the library had *one system* for using CD-ROM based educational resources
2008-04-01 10:33 < bumm13> (AppleTalk)
2008-04-01 10:33 < IceKarma> bumm13, you saw what I said about XTs in my school's computer lab, eh?
2008-04-01 10:33 < bumm13> IceKarma: yeah, my middle school had a network of four 386 PCs using a shared CD-ROM encyclopedia resource (one drive!)
2008-04-01 10:34 < bumm13> (in its library)
2008-04-01 10:34 < bumm13> oh, just barely
2008-04-01 10:34 < Demi> school libraries should use card catalogs!
2008-04-01 10:34 < IceKarma> Demi, I typed out thousands of cards for my high school's library's card catalogue, thank you :P
2008-04-01 10:34 < IceKarma> by the time I got to the third card for each book, I could actually outtype the electric typewriter they had
2008-04-01 10:35 < bumm13> I think my high school still had that as well
2008-04-01 10:35 < Demi> i think using a card catalog gives you a feel for data organization that you don't get when everything you use just looks like google
2008-04-01 10:35 < IceKarma> even backing up, correcting mistakes, and carrying on, *long* before the carriage got to where I was
2008-04-01 10:35 < IceKarma> the year after I left, they got a computerised catalogue :/
2008-04-01 10:35 < Demi> fancy buffered input, though, that's some good stuff
2008-04-01 10:35 < IceKarma> yeah, it was a sweet typewriter
2008-04-01 10:35 < bumm13> (well, it did have barcode labels on the books, so maybe not by then)
2008-04-01 10:35 < Demi> every library i had in school had a card catalog
2008-04-01 10:36 < Demi> some of them had a tiny fraction of the collection on a computerized index
2008-04-01 10:36 < Demi> and this includes college and university
2008-04-01 10:36 < Demi> you know why this is? i'm old.
2008-04-01 10:36 < bumm13> heh
2008-04-01 10:36 < IceKarma> actually, a lot of good stuff happened to my old high school the year after I graduated
2008-04-01 10:36 < Demi> kids today don't even know how to center a word by backspacing
2008-04-01 10:36 < bumm13> and votes were counted on Hollerith machines....accurately!
2008-04-01 10:36 < Demi> which is why they spell so poorly--they're not used to spelling words in advance to count the letters and divide by two
2008-04-01 10:37 < bumm13> lol
2008-04-01 10:37 < IceKarma> Demi, I think I *must've* told you some of the stories from my year 13 English class
2008-04-01 10:37 < Demi> possibly, where was it?
2008-04-01 10:38 < IceKarma> New Zealand, hence the "year 13"
2008-04-01 10:38 < bumm13> no gartens for the kinders?
2008-04-01 10:38 < Demi> for all i know, canadia has a year 13, too
2008-04-01 10:38 < IceKarma> bumm13, no, but the way they did it, you started school as soon as you turned 5, and if you started late and didn't do enough of the year, well, you just did it again
2008-04-01 10:38 < IceKarma> bumm13, so year 1 was sort of half-kindergarten-y
2008-04-01 10:38 < Demi> i noticed a coincidence: CPA stands for Certified Public Accountant and also for Canadian Provinces of America
2008-04-01 10:38 < bumm13> :o
2008-04-01 10:39 < IceKarma> bumm13, I thought it was a strange way to do things, too.
2008-04-01 10:39 < bumm13> that sounds evil
2008-04-01 10:39 < IceKarma> Demi, we call them "grades" here, like you, and the only place that had a "grade 13" was the province of Ontario, which discontinued it a few years ago
2008-04-01 10:39 < Demi> probably out of superstition
2008-04-01 10:40 < IceKarma> actually, that's not 100% true, I think some high schools in the Prairies use funny names like "Senior 1, 2, 3" for the grades in senior high
2008-04-01 10:40 < Demi> like when building floors go 11... 12... 12 1/2... 14...
2008-04-01 10:40 < IceKarma> no
2008-04-01 10:40 < IceKarma> they had a grade 13 because the school year was the shortest in the country
2008-04-01 10:40 < CharlotteWebb> but not streets
2008-04-01 10:41 < Demi> this IBM thing is interesting news
2008-04-01 10:41 < IceKarma> but the point of a "grade 13" had become vague, so they lengthened the year, and graduated the final grade 13 class with the first "grade 12 is the end" class
2008-04-01 10:42 < bumm13> IBM thing?
2008-04-01 10:42 < Demi> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080331/ibm_contract_ban.html
2008-04-01 10:42 * bumm13 NP: 13th Floor Elevators - You're Gonna Miss Me (1966)
2008-04-01 10:42 < IceKarma> Demi, so, English class... my English teacher asked us one day to raise our hands if we'd read a book for -recreational- purposes in the last day
2008-04-01 10:42 < Demi> IceKarma - are year-round schools popular there?
2008-04-01 10:42 < Demi> ah, and how many raised their hands?
2008-04-01 10:43 < IceKarma> Demi, me and one other
2008-04-01 10:43 < NotACow> DEATH TO POOT
2008-04-01 10:43 < kenlyric> IceKarma: that's two more than average
2008-04-01 10:43 < IceKarma> Demi, so he gradually lengthened the time period; two days, three, four, a week, two weeks, a month, finally all the way up to "in the last two years"
2008-04-01 10:43 < IceKarma> Demi, more than half the hands in the class were still down at that last mark.
2008-04-01 10:44 < bumm13> Demi: very vague
2008-04-01 10:44 < IceKarma> Demi, in some cases, the last novel students had read was required reading in English class three years prior
2008-04-01 10:45 < Demi> bumm13 - yeah, it seems strange
2008-04-01 10:45 < kenlyric> reading for fun is pretty subversive in today's culture
2008-04-01 10:45 < NotACow> kenlyric: reading is hard. let's go shoppipng.
2008-04-01 10:45 < Demi> *math* is hard
2008-04-01 10:45 < kenlyric> books are full of conflicting ideas that can confuse you
2008-04-01 10:45 < Demi> reading teen beat is easy enough
2008-04-01 10:46 < NotACow> IceKarma: sadly, i haven't had tme to read a book for recreational purposes in quite some time
2008-04-01 10:46 < kenlyric> there are no clonflicting ideas on Hanna Montana and Fox News
2008-04-01 10:46 < CharlotteWebb> what is this bot-like idiocy http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Agosto&action=history
2008-04-01 10:46 < kenlyric> NotACow: audiobooks :)
2008-04-01 10:46 < NotACow> kenlyric: hannah montana has been rebranded, dude.
2008-04-01 10:48 < SynergeticMag> i don't think a bot should remove red links, as they provide an example of the need for an article
2008-04-01 10:48 < SynergeticMag> but eh
2008-04-01 10:48 < nsh> what's "new and old" in latin?
2008-04-01 10:48 < nsh> (as adjectives)
2008-04-01 10:49 < kenlyric> books just want to make everyone unhappy with conflicting theory and thought.
2008-04-01 10:50 < Martinp23> novus and senex ?
2008-04-01 10:50 < Martinp23> although I think senex is "old man"
2008-04-01 10:51 * IceKarma grabs her Latin dictionary
2008-04-01 10:51 < Demi> well reading a book for recreational purposes in the last day is a pretty stiff requirement
2008-04-01 10:52 < IceKarma> new: novus
2008-04-01 10:52 < IceKarma> old: person, senex; thing, vetus; ancient, antiquus
2008-04-01 10:53 < Demi> what about old in the sense of previous?
2008-04-01 10:53 < Working_Cat> old: Demi
2008-04-01 10:53 < Demi> ha, yes
2008-04-01 10:53 < IceKarma> Demi, like "former"?
2008-04-01 10:53 < Demi> though i'm actually younger than NotACow here
2008-04-01 10:54 < Demi> right
2008-04-01 10:54 < Demi> when i think of the "new" and "old" polarity i think of "the new one" and "the one before that--the old one"
2008-04-01 10:54 < IceKarma> Demi, prior or vetus
2008-04-01 10:55 < IceKarma> but those are all adjectives
2008-04-01 10:57 < Working_Cat> Demi: NotACow is pushing 40. she doesnt count.
2008-04-01 10:58 < Working_Cat> <just ONE more invocation :P >
2008-04-01 10:59 < Working_Cat> is there a !seen kind of command on here?
2008-04-01 11:00 < snowolf> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/01/jimmy_wales_resigns_from_wikipedia/
2008-04-01 11:00 < snowolf> Working_Cat: no, there is /msg seenserv help
2008-04-01 11:00 < nsh> just check the logs, Working_Cat
2008-04-01 11:00 < bumm13> yeah
2008-04-01 11:00 < bumm13> well...
2008-04-01 11:00 < bumm13> /seenserv seen foonick
2008-04-01 11:00 < Working_Cat> nsh: logs?
2008-04-01 11:01 < nsh> wait, generating rickroll url
2008-04-01 11:01 < nsh> i mean uh
2008-04-01 11:01 < nsh> fuckit, it's too late in the day
2008-04-01 11:01 < Working_Cat> well depending on where you are, its just 8 am barely :D
2008-04-01 11:01 < Working_Cat> iirc, Demi is in cali
2008-04-01 11:02 < Working_Cat> bumm13: thanks
2008-04-01 11:02 < nsh> that would definitely be too late in the way
2008-04-01 11:02 < nsh> *day
2008-04-01 11:02 < bumm13> only for'ners (aka East Coast) say Cali
2008-04-01 11:02 < bumm13> no problem :)
2008-04-01 11:02 < Working_Cat> *sigh* todays world.. anything after 1 am is considered 'too old' and 'so earlier today'
2008-04-01 11:03 < Working_Cat> bumm13: what to the califr'ners say
2008-04-01 11:03 * nsh tries to work out what HUP might mean in a mathematical physics context
2008-04-01 11:03 < bumm13> "Cal-ih-forn-yuh"
2008-04-01 11:04 < nsh> "If we take this one step further so to
2008-04-01 11:04 < nsh> speak, verbal knowledge itself (and quantum logic directed toward
2008-04-01 11:04 < nsh> verbal knowledge rather than the HUP) may be set indexed with the index
2008-04-01 11:04 < nsh> in a continuous set or interval, especially since in Probable Influence
2008-04-01 11:04 < nsh> (PI) causal knowledge is the main type of probability.
2008-04-01 11:04 < Working_Cat> lol
2008-04-01 11:04 < nsh> bah, silly usenet
2008-04-01 11:04 < bumm13> the home of happy cows
2008-04-01 11:04 < Working_Cat> is KM from cali-fer-neh?
2008-04-01 11:04 < bumm13> ask her :)
2008-04-01 11:05 < Working_Cat> has Clint Eastwood ever run for president?
2008-04-01 11:05 < Working_Cat> i'd be shocked if he hasnt tried yet
2008-04-01 11:05 < IceKarma> nsh, so what did you need the Latin for? ;)
2008-04-01 11:05 < Working_Cat> maybe he'll run next time
2008-04-01 11:05 < Working_Cat> nsh, psh
2008-04-01 11:06 < nsh> IceKarma, making a suggestion to ben goertzel
2008-04-01 11:06 < nsh> in the end i just said it in englihs
2008-04-01 11:06 < nsh> well, to a first approximation, as is evident
2008-04-01 11:07 < SynergeticMag> omg i'm going to be tired for work
2008-04-01 11:09 < Demi> arnold says it "Cully-faorhn-yuh"
2008-04-01 11:10 < Demi> i was born in california, but i don't live there now; but it's true, no one says "cali" except people not from there
2008-04-01 11:12 < Working_Cat> why did you have to move demi?? :( ;_ ;
2008-04-01 11:12 < Working_Cat> wow i made a ctying mutant there
2008-04-01 11:13 < CharlotteWebb> o.O
2008-04-01 11:13 < NotACow> a mootant?
2008-04-01 11:14 < NotACow> Demi: i've never heard someone refer to california as "cali"
2008-04-01 11:14 < NotACow> Demi: "californicata", or "californaia", perhaps
2008-04-01 11:14 < NotACow> but "cali"? no
2008-04-01 11:15 < Demi> Working_Cat - i found a place i preferred
2008-04-01 11:15 < CharlotteWebb> [[Kalifornia]] was a good film
2008-04-01 11:16 < Working_Cat> demi: hawaii?
2008-04-01 11:16 < SynergeticMag> holy crap
2008-04-01 11:16 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Kmweber_2
2008-04-01 11:17 < Pilotguy_aw> This April Fool's Day sucks
2008-04-01 11:19 < SynergeticMag> CharlotteWebb: i just nominated it for featured article
2008-04-01 11:19 < SynergeticMag> hmph
2008-04-01 11:19 < CharlotteWebb> oh good lord
2008-04-01 11:20 < SynergeticMag> :)
2008-04-01 11:20 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates&curid=252388&diff=202572843&oldid=202567152
2008-04-01 11:20 < SynergeticMag> its still there
2008-04-01 11:20 < Pilotguy> !op Have a Happy April Fool's Day!!!!!!!!
2008-04-01 11:20 < Working_Cat> whos Kmweber2
2008-04-01 11:20 < SynergeticMag> might take them a few minutes to revert me
2008-04-01 11:20 < Pilotguy> Working_Cat- Kurt
2008-04-01 11:20 < Cometstyles> O_O
2008-04-01 11:20 < Working_Cat> Cobain?
2008-04-01 11:20 < SynergeticMag> yes
2008-04-01 11:20 < Pilotguy> Working_Cat- The one NotACow likes ;)
2008-04-01 11:20 < Cometstyles> Pilotguy, april 2nd eher :P
2008-04-01 11:20 < Cometstyles> here*
2008-04-01 11:20 < SynergeticMag> he has risen from the dead
2008-04-01 11:20 < Working_Cat> likes or "likes"
2008-04-01 11:21 < Working_Cat> SynergeticMag: more like you feed on the dead
2008-04-01 11:21 < SynergeticMag> lmfao its still there
2008-04-01 11:21 * SynergeticMag is laughing too hard
2008-04-01 11:21 < SynergeticMag> someone revert me!
2008-04-01 11:21 < bumm13> meowf
2008-04-01 11:21 * Fabexplosive remove Pilotguy :D
2008-04-01 11:22 * snowolf removes Pilotguy & Fabexplosive -> "moar drama"
2008-04-01 11:22 < Pilotguy> MOAR COWBELL
2008-04-01 11:22 < Fabexplosive> hehe
2008-04-01 11:24 * SynergeticMag goes off looking for his cigs
2008-04-01 11:25 < bumm13> gah, a $0.01 increase on mail postage starting May 12
2008-04-01 11:25 < bumm13> (this is not 4/1 jocularity)
2008-04-01 11:25 < Demi> that's so annoying
2008-04-01 11:25 < bumm13> it's getting retarded
2008-04-01 11:25 < IceKarma> how much is it up to?
2008-04-01 11:26 < bumm13> the increase will make it $0.42 for a stamp
2008-04-01 11:26 < bumm13> (USD)
2008-04-01 11:26 * CharlotteWebb has noticed that the price of stamps goes up more often than she buys a pack of stamps
2008-04-01 11:27 < SynergeticMag> it speaks
2008-04-01 11:27 < Demi> i would prefer them just raise it to 50c and keep it there for a few years
2008-04-01 11:27 < CharlotteWebb> so i have a lot of old ones that aren't enough to send anything
2008-04-01 11:27 < Demi> they're not even nickel-and-diming us!
2008-04-01 11:28 < SynergeticMag> if feel like giving out a barnstar now
2008-04-01 11:29 < SynergeticMag> before i pass out
2008-04-01 11:30 < SynergeticMag> aha!
2008-04-01 11:30 < SynergeticMag> found one
2008-04-01 11:30 < SynergeticMag> :)
2008-04-01 11:30 < CharlotteWebb> maybe in 5 years these 34 cent ones will be correct for postcards
2008-04-01 11:31 < debian> Where si this years april fool? Link please!
2008-04-01 11:32 < bumm13> CharlotteWebb: heh
2008-04-01 11:32 < bumm13> yeah, a consistent rate for a few years would do no harm to the USPS