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2008-03-30 07:46 < toresbe> daddy: My point is. I've been there. The best thing to do is to ignore it to death.
2008-03-30 07:47 < toresbe> did he?
2008-03-30 07:47 < GDonato> joy
2008-03-30 07:47 < Cyrius> that was amusing
2008-03-30 07:47 < cimon> wow, that was really fun...
2008-03-30 07:48 < cimon> he killed for our freedom, and yet values it so little...
2008-03-30 07:48 < JessicaTaylor> http://archive.egeste.net/ >.>
2008-03-30 07:48 < ThePolecat> I thought it was about the guy who got relegated from school.
2008-03-30 07:48 < Cyrius> interestingly enough
2008-03-30 07:48 < JessicaTaylor> We have a lot of cats here
2008-03-30 07:48 < Cyrius> "Plato" is the ED user who started the "gammamute" article on ED
2008-03-30 07:48 < Cyrius> *** daddy is n=Plato@cpe-74-75-156-51.maine.res.rr.com (Plato)
2008-03-30 07:48 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-03-30 07:48 < Cyrius> you're not a cat!
2008-03-30 07:49 < JessicaTaylor> Nice work Cyrius
2008-03-30 07:49 * JessicaTaylor pats Cyrius on the back
2008-03-30 07:49 < ThePolecat> Wow, those people are elaborate schizophrenics, aren't they.
2008-03-30 07:49 < Cyrius> ThePolecat: aye.
2008-03-30 07:49 < cimon> "i killed for your freedom to be so irresponsible"
2008-03-30 07:49 < cimon> (from his part message"
2008-03-30 07:49 < ThePolecat> But if he was the attacker, why would he want references removed on WP?
2008-03-30 07:49 < zocky> not mine
2008-03-30 07:50 < Cyrius> because he's crazy.
2008-03-30 07:50 < ThePolecat> No, South Vietnams, oh wait they didn't have press freedom.
2008-03-30 07:50 < ThePolecat> Okay.
2008-03-30 07:50 < ThePolecat> :-/
2008-03-30 07:50 < ThePolecat> Brb
2008-03-30 07:50 < bumm13> I killed for your freedoms!
2008-03-30 07:51 < ThePolecat> not to mention losing limbs.
2008-03-30 07:51 < toresbe> if you've got a 10 year old son and you fought in vietnam, you're a pretty old father
2008-03-30 07:52 < bumm13> did he say he was a 'Nam vet?
2008-03-30 07:52 < bumm13> wtf?
2008-03-30 07:52 < ThePolecat> "for your freedom"
2008-03-30 07:52 < ThePolecat> afaik, "freedom" wars have always been the Cold War ones
2008-03-30 07:52 < bumm13> my dad wasn't even really old enough to be a Vietnam vet
2008-03-30 07:52 < bumm13> and I'm 10...plus 18 =D
2008-03-30 07:53 < ThePolecat> My dad was old enough to fight against the Russians should the West have decided to help Dubcek.
2008-03-30 07:53 < ThePolecat> he was drafted round that time
2008-03-30 07:53 < bumm13> my old neighbor's dad was actually a Vietnam War vet, but he (the kid) was a "surprise" latecomer of 4 kids in his family
2008-03-30 07:53 < JessicaTaylor> I'm 10 plu 5
2008-03-30 07:54 < JessicaTaylor> that was a plus
2008-03-30 07:54 < ThePolecat> not "ten rained five"
2008-03-30 07:55 < ThePolecat> as in French
2008-03-30 07:55 < bumm13> (his nearest sibling in age, a sister, was born in 1974 or so)
2008-03-30 07:55 < ThePolecat> young'un then
2008-03-30 07:55 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-03-30 07:55 < bumm13> relatively
2008-03-30 07:57 < Cyrius> I'm looking at some of the things this guy has been involved with
2008-03-30 07:57 < Cyrius> even #ubuntu-desktop is posting weird logs of him
2008-03-30 07:57 < Cyrius> I mean, fuck
2008-03-30 07:58 < JessicaTaylor> ooh language
2008-03-30 07:59 < Lucifer_Cat> morning people
2008-03-30 08:00 < iro> how do i edit printing css?
2008-03-30 08:02 < JessicaTaylor> http://archive.egeste.net/Gammamute/Pics/Chrisbeecostume.jpg -- He doesn't look "10"
2008-03-30 08:03 < Cyrius> I'm almost tempted to tell the ED people
2008-03-30 08:03 < Lucifer_Cat> ED?
2008-03-30 08:03 < Cyrius> encyclopaedia dramatica
2008-03-30 08:03 < Lucifer_Cat> <no 'other' ED jokes please>
2008-03-30 08:04 < Cyrius> they who must not be named
2008-03-30 08:04 < Lucifer_Cat> ah i keep on forgetting
2008-03-30 08:04 < ThePolecat> Internet culture navelgazing wikipedia spoof
2008-03-30 08:04 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: what are u tempted to do?
2008-03-30 08:04 < Cyrius> Lucifer_Cat: oh, you missed it
2008-03-30 08:04 < Lucifer_Cat> ThePolecat: thats a good thing or a bad thing?
2008-03-30 08:04 < ThePolecat> Bad.
2008-03-30 08:04 < Lucifer_Cat> imho, ED is pretty cool. i mean its humor.
2008-03-30 08:05 < Cyrius> Lucifer_Cat: we had this guy http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Gammamute
2008-03-30 08:05 < Lucifer_Cat> wait, im talking bout uncyclopedia
2008-03-30 08:05 < Leslie_S> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jigokudani_hotspring_in_Nagano_Japan_001.jpg
2008-03-30 08:05 < Leslie_S> LOL
2008-03-30 08:05 < Cyrius> come on, claiming to be his own father
2008-03-30 08:05 < Cyrius> trying to get the word "gammamute" expunged from Wikipedia
2008-03-30 08:05 < Cyrius> *** daddy has left the channel ("ungrateful sons of bitches; i killed for your freedom to be so irresponsible, THANK YOU FOR MAKING SO GLAD TO SERVE YOU")
2008-03-30 08:06 < ThePolecat> misses an accusative pronoun
2008-03-30 08:06 < ThePolecat> or a noun
2008-03-30 08:06 < ThePolecat> I like much of Uncyc
2008-03-30 08:06 < ThePolecat> :-)
2008-03-30 08:07 < ThePolecat> People who get involved with ED are asking for it.
2008-03-30 08:07 < iro> can anyone please tell me how i can edit css for printing pages in wikipedia?
2008-03-30 08:07 < ThePolecat> Get an account, change the stylesheet, I guess
2008-03-30 08:08 * ThePolecat remembers that question from the other day
2008-03-30 08:08 * Cyrius has no idea how to do it for one's own use
2008-03-30 08:08 < Lucifer_Cat> Uncyc and Dickipedia are pretty cool imo. ofcourse, i've only seen parts of them, so i dunno if they have any anti-WP stuff
2008-03-30 08:08 < iro> i wonder *where* i can edit my stylesheet
2008-03-30 08:09 < ThePolecat> not customizable that way I guess
2008-03-30 08:09 < iro> as you may guess searching wikipedia for 'user css' returns nothing relevant
2008-03-30 08:09 < Cyrius> Lucifer_Cat: ED dislikes us because we dislike them
2008-03-30 08:09 < Cyrius> or something
2008-03-30 08:09 < Lucifer_Cat> how very logical :)
2008-03-30 08:09 < iro> ThePolecat: your guess comes across other guesses, and mine, too
2008-03-30 08:09 < ThePolecat> Uncyclopedia is basically people who aren't blocked on Wikipedia, ED'ers are blocked.
2008-03-30 08:09 < Cyrius> some of our dislike for them is illogical too
2008-03-30 08:10 < Cyrius> although their constant yelling at us that they should have an article gets really annoying
2008-03-30 08:10 < Lucifer_Cat> Crime rate quadruples around the world during Earth Hour
2008-03-30 08:10 < Lucifer_Cat> lol wtf
2008-03-30 08:11 < ThePolecat> I liked one UnNews feature
2008-03-30 08:11 < bumm13> ok.......
2008-03-30 08:11 < Lucifer_Cat> well, give them an article, with lots of references on how WP and ED have clashed/differ
2008-03-30 08:11 < Lucifer_Cat> and then protect it.
2008-03-30 08:11 < Cyrius> I liked "Federal government to stimulate American economy by giving a cookie to each family"
2008-03-30 08:12 < bumm13> heh
2008-03-30 08:12 < ThePolecat> oh, http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:NASA_rover_squandering_money_on_Mars
2008-03-30 08:12 < ThePolecat> in relation to the original article
2008-03-30 08:12 < ThePolecat> is pretty fun
2008-03-30 08:12 < Lucifer_Cat> Study reveals that 1 in 4 teen girls has an STD, America congratulates its teen boys
2008-03-30 08:13 < Leslie_S> i am so sick of stupid people on irc..
2008-03-30 08:13 < ShakespeareFan00> Hmm
2008-03-30 08:13 < Leslie_S> Lucifer_Cat is that true?
2008-03-30 08:13 < ShakespeareFan00> Anyone here got some spare time?
2008-03-30 08:13 * Lucifer_Cat shrugs
2008-03-30 08:14 < ShakespeareFan00> And experience of chanop?
2008-03-30 08:14 < Cyrius> heh, that's what I get for not keeping up with uncyclopedia
2008-03-30 08:14 < Lucifer_Cat> i havent contributed any for all i know.
2008-03-30 08:14 < Cyrius> they've branched out into unquotable
2008-03-30 08:15 < Lucifer_Cat> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Uncyclopedia:Flamewar_Guidelines
2008-03-30 08:15 < Lucifer_Cat> that page is full of awesome
2008-03-30 08:15 < Cyrius> ShakespeareFan00: probably not =)
2008-03-30 08:15 < Cyrius> "If I could go back in time and meet Sir Isaac Newton, I'd tell him the same thing I told him just last week, when I went back in time to tell him about some stuff." -- Albert Einstein
2008-03-30 08:16 < Lucifer_Cat> "The Uncyclomedia Foundation is celebrating the ten billionth deleted Uncyclopedia article, written in Cockney Rhyming Slang about the ten billionth article on Uncyclopedia."
2008-03-30 08:16 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: where that from?
2008-03-30 08:17 < Cyrius> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Unquotable:Albert_Einstein
2008-03-30 08:17 < iro> please. help me. i want to print some pages. where the heck is that printing css?
2008-03-30 08:17 < Cyrius> I don't know!
2008-03-30 08:17 < Leslie_S> ShakespeareFan00 well dont look at people who are chanops in here then!
2008-03-30 08:17 < iro> 200+ users, and noone knows this basic thing.
2008-03-30 08:18 < bumm13> iro: including yourself :-)
2008-03-30 08:19 < iro> it looks like you are more familiar with Uncyclopaedia. it's got the same engine; then, can anyone tell me how do i edit print css at Uncyclopaedia?
2008-03-30 08:19 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-03-30 08:19 < Leslie_S> ..................\
2008-03-30 08:19 < Lucifer_Cat> this is about the first time i have seen Uncyc being discussed here.
2008-03-30 08:19 * Cyrius doesn't know
2008-03-30 08:20 < ShakespeareFan00> iro: Which browser are you using?
2008-03-30 08:20 < iro> ShakespeareFan00: Opera
2008-03-30 08:20 < ShakespeareFan00> Hmm
2008-03-30 08:20 < Lucifer_Cat> cant you save that page on disk... and edit the one print line
2008-03-30 08:20 < iro> and no, i don't want to edit user css in Opera.
2008-03-30 08:20 < ShakespeareFan00> Firefox I think picks up the Print CSS when you go to print a page or use Print Preview
2008-03-30 08:20 < Cyrius> ...why not?
2008-03-30 08:21 < Lucifer_Cat> try #wikimedia-tech
2008-03-30 08:21 < iro> i'd have to press a button each time i want to print an article.
2008-03-30 08:21 < ShakespeareFan00> Ussaly the printout CSS is included by reference to it somewhere in the page...
2008-03-30 08:21 < iro> oh. i'll try that, Lucifer_Cat.
2008-03-30 08:22 < iro> by the way, i want to confess. i love wikipedia. thank you.
2008-03-30 08:23 < Cyrius> wikipedia does not love you. it's nothing personal, it would just show bias
2008-03-30 08:23 < Cyrius> and wikipedia strives to be neutral
2008-03-30 08:23 < iro> i know.
2008-03-30 08:23 < Leslie_S> my ass
2008-03-30 08:23 < Leslie_S> wikipedia is often about as pov as you can get
2008-03-30 08:24 < iro> 'pov'?
2008-03-30 08:24 < Cyrius> plus it had a really bad relationship and doesn't want to get close to anyone right now
2008-03-30 08:24 < Leslie_S> point of view
2008-03-30 08:24 < Leslie_S> wikipedia absolutely SUCKS for anything remotely controversial.
2008-03-30 08:24 < Leslie_S> but thats only because wikipedia's community isnt intelligent enough to get rid of people who suck
2008-03-30 08:25 < toresbe> bullshit
2008-03-30 08:25 < Lucifer_Cat> iro: esp not looking for any guys.
2008-03-30 08:25 < Leslie_S> toresbe wanna bet?
2008-03-30 08:25 < toresbe> I refer you to the articles on the Middle East.
2008-03-30 08:25 < Leslie_S> which suck.
2008-03-30 08:25 < toresbe> main problem is power-hungry 14-year-olds
2008-03-30 08:26 < ThePolecat> Yay, Uncyc's FA makes fun of marketing language
2008-03-30 08:26 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah
2008-03-30 08:26 < Lucifer_Cat> the mission statement
2008-03-30 08:27 < brown_cat_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z-PfeyrG9w&feature=related bahahahaha, apple stole an idea for an ad
2008-03-30 08:27 < Leslie_S> toresbe who cant be banned because of assumption of good faith to the absolutely retarded extreme. (oh, you've edit warred for 90000 days straight? here, you're banned for an hour!)
2008-03-30 08:27 < ThePolecat> I've seen that the only problem with controversial articles at any one time tends to be the dozens of POV! CITATION! tags at the start.
2008-03-30 08:27 < ThePolecat> or at least, by far the biggest problem
2008-03-30 08:28 < ShakespeareFan00> Darn it
2008-03-30 08:28 < Leslie_S> ThePolecat and the pov that caused the tags to be tehre in the first place
2008-03-30 08:28 < brown_cat_> hey ShakespeareFan00! :D
2008-03-30 08:28 < ThePolecat> it's often a phantom
2008-03-30 08:28 < brown_cat_> I have good new :)
2008-03-30 08:28 < ShakespeareFan00> Why is it that when you look for something for perfectly genuine reasons, you can never find 'good faith' information?
2008-03-30 08:28 < ThePolecat> Most people who have an extreme opinion read a bias against them into a text no matter what's in it
2008-03-30 08:28 < brown_cat_> ShakespeareFan00: summer heights high is coming to the UK :D
2008-03-30 08:29 < ShakespeareFan00> No idea what it is
2008-03-30 08:29 < brown_cat_> [[Summer Heights High]]
2008-03-30 08:29 < brown_cat_> it has to be the funniest show I have ever seen
2008-03-30 08:29 < ThePolecat> the POV problem is very overstated
2008-03-30 08:29 < brown_cat_> it will be on bbc3
2008-03-30 08:29 < ShakespeareFan00> OK
2008-03-30 08:29 < ThePolecat> Many people who ask for NPOV mean "my POV"
2008-03-30 08:30 < brown_cat_> ShakespeareFan00: Starring, written and performed by Chris Lilley, the show is a parody of high school life and is based on three characters - drama teacher Mr G, snobby and self absorbed teenager Ja'mie King and rebellious student Jonah Takalua.
2008-03-30 08:31 < ThePolecat> people are geared towards "controversy" and "wedge issues" nowadays
2008-03-30 08:31 < Messedrocker> ...
2008-03-30 08:31 < Messedrocker> "Ja'mie"?
2008-03-30 08:31 < ThePolecat> that's RiDicul'ous!
2008-03-30 08:31 < ThePolecat> LaUghablee.
2008-03-30 08:32 < brown_cat_> OMG
2008-03-30 08:32 < Leslie_S> toresbe heres a pov article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_as_a_chosen_people#Charges_of_racism
2008-03-30 08:32 < brown_cat_> ShakespeareFan00: pleese see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH5nN9IFGDM - it is a trailer for it xD "nearly all wife beaters and rapists come from public schools. sorry but it's true" xD ahhaha
2008-03-30 08:33 < ThePolecat> Public schools in the British sense?
2008-03-30 08:33 < brown_cat_> it is an aussie series
2008-03-30 08:33 < Leslie_S> brown_cat nearly all PEOPLE come from public schools, lol
2008-03-30 08:34 < brown_cat_> Leslie_S: i realise that
2008-03-30 08:34 < ThePolecat> Leslie_S: True.
2008-03-30 08:34 < brown_cat_> Leslie_S: it's a mockumentary - it's a joke xD
2008-03-30 08:34 < ThePolecat> Of course, the section is *right*, but that doesn't make it POV
2008-03-30 08:34 < ThePolecat> it gets better towards the end.
2008-03-30 08:34 < Messedrocker> brown_cat_, not just that, but all rapists have breathed
2008-03-30 08:34 < Messedrocker> therefore, breathing is immoral and wrong
2008-03-30 08:35 < ThePolecat> *NPOV
2008-03-30 08:35 * brown_cat_ 's fave scene for some reason is the teacher practising evacuatoins "everyone get out , there's a pedophile in the school" ahahahaha
2008-03-30 08:35 < brown_cat_> there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1QsapRnhsw
2008-03-30 08:35 < ThePolecat> Most rapists have taken large doses of dihydrogen monoxide before committing their crimes.
2008-03-30 08:35 < brown_cat_> "there's a terrorist attack the school, everyone get down" *kids crowd around teacher to shield him* xD
2008-03-30 08:36 < Messedrocker> ThePolecat, that reminds me of the statistic that Marihuana the Date-Rape Drug is a Terrible Thing because Negroes have smoked it before their crimes
2008-03-30 08:36 < JessicaTaylor> night night everyone
2008-03-30 08:36 < ShakespeareFan00> Messedrocker: Dihydrogen monoxide is dangerous, in large doses it can lead to fatal brain inflation
2008-03-30 08:37 < Lucifer_Cat> brown_cat: that clip was awesome
2008-03-30 08:37 < ShakespeareFan00> As happened in some cases where it was combined with other drugs
2008-03-30 08:37 < Lucifer_Cat> though i dont think they were shielding him
2008-03-30 08:37 < zocky> dihydrogen monoxide is especially dangerous because it's cheaply available and abundant in most places
2008-03-30 08:37 < ShakespeareFan00> zocky: And there are plenty of people who 'cut' it
2008-03-30 08:38 < Lucifer_Cat> also, alcoholic drinks have a substantial amount of dihydrogen monoxide
2008-03-30 08:38 < Messedrocker> zocky, thanks to efforts from the DEA, that amount is shrinking considerably
2008-03-30 08:38 < ThePolecat> and it's lethal upon inhalation.
2008-03-30 08:38 < Messedrocker> hmm
2008-03-30 08:38 < Messedrocker> either the DEA
2008-03-30 08:38 < Messedrocker> or Du Pont
2008-03-30 08:38 < Messedrocker> i forgot
2008-03-30 08:39 < ThePolecat> it's also a main component of many natural desasters, such as tsunamis.
2008-03-30 08:39 < brown_cat_> "dance better, i thought black people had rhythm"
2008-03-30 08:39 < brown_cat_> "don't let your weight pull you down"
2008-03-30 08:39 < brown_cat_> hahaha snap
2008-03-30 08:39 < Leslie_S> dont forget that clearly all transsexuals are child molestors
2008-03-30 08:39 < Messedrocker> DuPont nearly dumped millions of gallons of de-toxified nerve agent into the delaware river
2008-03-30 08:39 < Messedrocker> then the governor told them to GET THE FUCK OFF MY PROPERTY
2008-03-30 08:40 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-03-30 08:40 < Cyrius> probably going to ship it down here
2008-03-30 08:40 < Cyrius> facility here that incinerates that sort of shit
2008-03-30 08:41 < Messedrocker> i don't know what is happening to it
2008-03-30 08:44 < Leslie_S> he actually said it like that?
2008-03-30 08:44 < Leslie_S> what, did they show up with a tanker truck and start dragging out hoses?
2008-03-30 08:44 < Messedrocker> no
2008-03-30 08:44 < Messedrocker> before they started doing it mcgreevey forbade them from carrying out the operation
2008-03-30 08:44 < Messedrocker> i'm sure he did it in a much more respectable manner
2008-03-30 08:45 < Cyrius> apparently only 3 facilities in the country that can do it
2008-03-30 08:45 < Lucifer_Cat> Obama sharply criticized after anti-American comments by his former taxi driver
2008-03-30 08:45 < ShakespeareFan00> And 2 of those are in Jersey ;)
2008-03-30 08:45 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-03-30 08:45 < Lucifer_Cat> That's right. This man once rode in a taxi with an anti-American. Even worse, he talked to him, rather than beating him to a pulp! Bastard.
2008-03-30 08:45 < Cyrius> they're incinerating VX wastewater
2008-03-30 08:46 < Leslie_S> Lucifer_Cat lols
2008-03-30 08:46 < Lucifer_Cat> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Paper_Stalin.png
2008-03-30 08:46 < Cyrius> "Super Mario All-Tsars"
2008-03-30 08:47 < Leslie_S> rofl
2008-03-30 08:47 < Messedrocker> i agree leslie
2008-03-30 08:47 < Cyrius> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Stalinmario2.JPG
2008-03-30 08:48 < Leslie_S> The main character of the game. You must use his Hammer and Shoes to bring injustice back to the world. Peace and tranquility is not an option. Bring out the evil side of Mario, gaining even more destructive power with every Deadly Star. This happens until Mario turns into his ultimate evil form, Communist Mario, in which he uses a Sickle to defeat his enemies.
2008-03-30 08:48 < ThePolecat> Since when does communism aim for injustice?
2008-03-30 08:49 < ShakespeareFan00> ThePolecat: It's propoganda...
2008-03-30 08:49 < ThePolecat> That's just a word
2008-03-30 08:49 < Cyrius> uncyclopedia.
2008-03-30 08:49 < ThePolecat> Oh.
2008-03-30 08:49 < ThePolecat> Okay.
2008-03-30 08:50 < ThePolecat> 'Cause Communism shrugs at hardships to attain equality
2008-03-30 08:50 < Messedrocker> an idealist goal of communism is egalitarianism
2008-03-30 08:50 < Messedrocker> the soviet union achieved this by making everyone poor
2008-03-30 08:50 < ThePolecat> Yep.
2008-03-30 08:50 < ThePolecat> One way of doing it :-D
2008-03-30 08:51 < ThePolecat> Maybe the only one
2008-03-30 08:51 < Messedrocker> everyone became poor
2008-03-30 08:51 < Messedrocker> the government had all the money
2008-03-30 08:51 < ThePolecat> it didn't achieve it either
2008-03-30 08:51 < Messedrocker> which they spent on rockets
2008-03-30 08:51 < ThePolecat> well
2008-03-30 08:51 < ThePolecat> "money" is relative in state socialism
2008-03-30 08:51 < ThePolecat> people did have too much money in a sense
2008-03-30 08:51 < ThePolecat> there was just nothing to buy for it
2008-03-30 08:51 < Lucifer_Cat> Warning: The above text contains spoilers, but you're out of danger... for now.
2008-03-30 08:52 < ThePolecat> Above text contains spoilers. This makes it reach more stability at high speeds.
2008-03-30 08:52 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-03-30 08:53 < Leslie_S> ThePolecat what americans generally refer to as communism isnt communism, anyway.
2008-03-30 08:53 < Leslie_S> like the peoples republic of china never claimed to be communist....they just claim to be a peoples republic.
2008-03-30 08:53 < Lucifer_Cat> troo
2008-03-30 08:54 < ThePolecat> yea, either social democracy or "Actually Existing Socialism", which isn't communism either
2008-03-30 08:54 < Leslie_S> communism is an ideal that can never become reality.
2008-03-30 08:54 < ThePolecat> it can, on a small scale.
2008-03-30 08:54 < Leslie_S> just like democracy
2008-03-30 08:54 < ThePolecat> it's just exhausting
2008-03-30 08:54 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-03-30 08:54 < ThePolecat> so people don't want t
2008-03-30 08:54 < Paine> http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/03/29/hackers-attack-epileptic-forum-and-make-sufferers-convulse/
2008-03-30 08:54 < Leslie_S> ThePolecat and of course it would end up that everyone gets paid nearly nothing no matter what theyre doing, right?
2008-03-30 08:54 < ShakespeareFan00> Paine: :(
2008-03-30 08:54 < ShakespeareFan00> Not good
2008-03-30 08:55 < ThePolecat> it's not working in the framework of a state
2008-03-30 08:55 < ShakespeareFan00> Hope the craackers get charged with something appropriate
2008-03-30 08:55 < ThePolecat> and it's not working if dependent on money
2008-03-30 08:55 < Leslie_S> Paine i love the logo of that site
2008-03-30 08:55 < ThePolecat> it works in stone age environments
2008-03-30 08:55 < ThePolecat> where there is autarky
2008-03-30 08:55 < ThePolecat> but you get stone age living conditions
2008-03-30 08:56 < ThePolecat> so it's not worth i
2008-03-30 08:56 < ThePolecat> t
2008-03-30 08:56 < Leslie_S> but what a bunch of morons
2008-03-30 08:58 < ShakespeareFan00> paine: Anon's are beign blamed
2008-03-30 08:58 < Leslie_S> auturkey?
2008-03-30 08:59 < ShakespeareFan00> which given the row over CoS makes the story all the more intresting...
2008-03-30 08:59 < Paine> are you seriously telling me you think they'd recoil in horror at the thought of doing that?
2008-03-30 09:00 < Leslie_S> and i love the logo on that site
2008-03-30 09:00 < ShakespeareFan00> Paine: Anons murky hiwstory suggests that there may be people within thier ranks that would do something criminal like attack an epileptic support forum
2008-03-30 09:01 < ShakespeareFan00> And activly setting out to cause mass harm is by my understanding terrorism
2008-03-30 09:01 < ThePolecat> So people not allowed to see World Cup matches on free TV is terrorism?
2008-03-30 09:01 < ThePolecat> (random example)
2008-03-30 09:02 < ThePolecat> your definition is too broad.
2008-03-30 09:02 < Cyrius> fucking lulzofascists
2008-03-30 09:02 < ShakespeareFan00> ThePolecat: Of course not
2008-03-30 09:02 < ShakespeareFan00> But activley setting out to cause harm to a group where the consequences of a inducing a seziure could be fatal...
2008-03-30 09:03 < ThePolecat> it's mean, I agree.
2008-03-30 09:03 < Lucifer_Cat> its just called being an evil asshole
2008-03-30 09:03 < Chetblong> pinged me
2008-03-30 09:03 < ThePolecat> but it's easily limited
2008-03-30 09:03 < ShakespeareFan00> Trageting Epileptics is also 'hate-crime'
2008-03-30 09:03 < Chetblong> dont say teh asshole it pings me
2008-03-30 09:03 < Lucifer_Cat> only if you hate them
2008-03-30 09:03 < ThePolecat> they don't hate epileptics.
2008-03-30 09:03 < ShakespeareFan00> Which means when the catch the criminals responsible. they are going DOWN!
2008-03-30 09:03 < Messedrocker> ShakespeareFan00, no it's not
2008-03-30 09:03 < ThePolecat> they'll be going down even now.
2008-03-30 09:04 < ShakespeareFan00> ThePolecat: How's it going to play to the Jury, your Honour?
2008-03-30 09:04 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-03-30 09:04 < ThePolecat> badly.
2008-03-30 09:04 < Lucifer_Cat> not if you are so immature that you cant understand the gravity of the situation
2008-03-30 09:04 < ThePolecat> But it's got nothing to do with terrorism
2008-03-30 09:04 < ShakespeareFan00> Oh really?
2008-03-30 09:04 < ThePolecat> Lucifer_Cat: Juries tend to be the opposite.
2008-03-30 09:04 < ShakespeareFan00> OK so it MAY have been intended as a harmless prank...
2008-03-30 09:05 < ShakespeareFan00> But that doesn't diminish the fact that it hurt peoplr
2008-03-30 09:05 < Lucifer_Cat> ThePolecat: i was talking wrt hate crimes and terrorism
2008-03-30 09:05 < ShakespeareFan00> *people
2008-03-30 09:05 < ThePolecat> eh, you know that people who deny that there's cause and effect on the internet.
2008-03-30 09:05 < Lucifer_Cat> ShakespeareFan00: thats my point
2008-03-30 09:05 < ThePolecat> *the
2008-03-30 09:05 < gwern> I wonder what they could be charged with? I doubt they were violating terms of use by just posting some blinky pics
2008-03-30 09:05 < Leslie_S> scientologists wouldnt actually do that epilepsy thing, would they?
2008-03-30 09:05 < ShakespeareFan00> gwern: Endangerment?
2008-03-30 09:05 < ThePolecat> Well, I don't know what the crime of physically hurting someone is
2008-03-30 09:06 < ThePolecat> called
2008-03-30 09:06 < Cyrius> they've done crazier crap
2008-03-30 09:06 < ShakespeareFan00> Leslie_S: LOL, The evidence so far according to that report blames Anon's
2008-03-30 09:06 < Lucifer_Cat> the fuckers should be given epilepsy inducing drugs and then taken into a rave club full of people high on lsd
2008-03-30 09:06 < Cyrius> gwern: battery? [[eggshell skull]] rule?
2008-03-30 09:06 < ShakespeareFan00> gwern: There is in English law a provison about administring 'npxious substances' ,
2008-03-30 09:06 < ShakespeareFan00> *noxious
2008-03-30 09:06 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: its the intent that matters.
2008-03-30 09:06 < ThePolecat> here it would just be plain battery
2008-03-30 09:07 < ThePolecat> the eggshell skull rules
2008-03-30 09:07 < ThePolecat> usually only apply if you're unaware of the problem
2008-03-30 09:07 < Lucifer_Cat> wimt!!
2008-03-30 09:07 < ShakespeareFan00> Whether strobed pictures that induced seziures would count as noxious for the purposes of an assault charge I am not sure...
2008-03-30 09:07 * wimt waves
2008-03-30 09:07 < ShakespeareFan00> shimgray:??
2008-03-30 09:07 < ShakespeareFan00> morwen:??
2008-03-30 09:07 < ThePolecat> Eh?
2008-03-30 09:07 < ShakespeareFan00> wimt: Know any lawyers?
2008-03-30 09:07 < ThePolecat> Of course they would.
2008-03-30 09:08 < ThePolecat> in any normal jurisdiction
2008-03-30 09:08 < wimt> ShakespeareFan00, not personally unfortunately. I know a few students who are would-be lawyers.
2008-03-30 09:08 < ThePolecat> especially since it exploited a known vulnerability
2008-03-30 09:08 < gwern> ShakespeareFan00: I don't think endangerment would work according to [[Endangerment]]; again there's nothing 'wrong' about posting some blinky pics, although they might have harmful effects
2008-03-30 09:08 < Lucifer_Cat> it counts as a predetermined/planned assault
2008-03-30 09:08 < ThePolecat> I agree.
2008-03-30 09:09 < gwern> ShakespeareFan00: and images aren't 'substances' anyway
2008-03-30 09:09 < ShakespeareFan00> But they were posted to a forum where there would be a reasonable expectation of saftey or foreknowledge about the nature of any conditions present
2008-03-30 09:09 < ThePolecat> isn't the requirement of substances just an aggravating factor?
2008-03-30 09:09 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: is like knowingly administering substances which you know the other person is allergic to.
2008-03-30 09:09 < ThePolecat> ShakespeareFan00: Precisely. They exploited a known vulnerability
2008-03-30 09:10 < ShakespeareFan00> I am NOT a lawyer BTW)
2008-03-30 09:10 < Lucifer_Cat> and the intent was very much clear
2008-03-30 09:10 < ThePolecat> German law says "physical abuse" is battery
2008-03-30 09:11 < Lucifer_Cat> and i am sure, that if the intent to harm is clear, they get sentences even if theres no pre-existing framework/law for that
2008-03-30 09:11 < ThePolecat> physical abuse is "all malicious and undue treatment that diminishes bodily soundness in a non-negligible way"
2008-03-30 09:11 < Lucifer_Cat> hmmm
2008-03-30 09:11 < Lucifer_Cat> see
2008-03-30 09:12 < ThePolecat> which this would quite clearly fall under.
2008-03-30 09:12 < ThePolecat> even if it wasn't targeted at a distinct person
2008-03-30 09:12 < ShakespeareFan00> Hmm, What about posion pen letter laws? That are designed to protect people from emotinaly distressing harrasment in print?
2008-03-30 09:13 < ShakespeareFan00> Would they come into play here?
2008-03-30 09:13 < Lucifer_Cat> “Cartman, did you just say the F word?”
2008-03-30 09:13 < Lucifer_Cat> ~ Mrs. Garrison
2008-03-30 09:13 < Lucifer_Cat> “Jew?”
2008-03-30 09:13 < Lucifer_Cat> ~ Eric Cartman in response to Mrs. Garrison
2008-03-30 09:14 < ThePolecat> The apparent, present ability to carry out;
2008-03-30 09:14 < ThePolecat> An unlawful attempt;
2008-03-30 09:14 < ThePolecat> To commit a violent injury;
2008-03-30 09:14 < ThePolecat> Upon another.
2008-03-30 09:14 < ThePolecat> (all yes?)
2008-03-30 09:14 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, i thought he was Mr. Garrison when he said that
2008-03-30 09:14 < Lucifer_Cat> i think so too
2008-03-30 09:15 < ShakespeareFan00> Flashy images that induce seziure count as 'violent injury'?
2008-03-30 09:15 < ThePolecat> hm, maybe the violence part
2008-03-30 09:15 < ThePolecat> Modern American statutes define assault as:
2008-03-30 09:15 < Lucifer_Cat> ShakespeareFan00: pretty damn violent
2008-03-30 09:15 < ThePolecat> an attempt to cause or purposely, knowingly, or recklessly causing bodily injury to another; or,
2008-03-30 09:15 < Leslie_S> If you beat the entire game, up to the final battle with bowser, without saving and shut the game off as soon as the bridge collapses, when you restart the game you will have your inventory with glitches. These glitches are items that can do whatever you want. Unfortunately, somebody recently used them to turn all the glitches in the world into toothpaste. As a result, new users of this glitch unlock Hygienic Communist Mario, which adds a deodora
2008-03-30 09:15 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-03-30 09:15 < ThePolecat> That's precisely it.
2008-03-30 09:15 < ThePolecat> so American law is rather clear-cut about it
2008-03-30 09:15 < ShakespeareFan00> And assult carries a term of ?
2008-03-30 09:16 < Lucifer_Cat> ThePolecat: yup. theyre boned.
2008-03-30 09:16 < ShakespeareFan00> In other words the perps of this are going to jail
2008-03-30 09:16 * ThePolecat isn't a fan of quick jail
2008-03-30 09:16 < ThePolecat> but American law is, so I dunno
2008-03-30 09:16 < Lucifer_Cat> whats quick jail
2008-03-30 09:16 < ThePolecat> Well, going to jail for relatively minor offences
2008-03-30 09:16 < Lucifer_Cat> ShakespeareFan00: well.. i suspect juvenile halls.
2008-03-30 09:17 < ShakespeareFan00> I hardly call the matter being disscussed minor...
2008-03-30 09:17 < ShakespeareFan00> Seziures can kill
2008-03-30 09:17 < Lucifer_Cat> ThePolecat: this thing was potentially fatal. and consider the # of ppl
2008-03-30 09:17 < ThePolecat> I agree, it's pretty damn serious.
2008-03-30 09:17 < ThePolecat> Yea. Probably going to be some kind of detention
2008-03-30 09:18 < Lucifer_Cat> imo, its a bunch of teens whose parents didnt beat them when needed.
2008-03-30 09:18 < ThePolecat> Not sure if they'd be able to prove that the potential to kill was seen and acquiesced to.
2008-03-30 09:18 < ShakespeareFan00> Do you need to given the numbers?
2008-03-30 09:18 < ThePolecat> Eh, the "beating kids" debate again
2008-03-30 09:18 < ThePolecat> I need to make coffee now
2008-03-30 09:18 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-03-30 09:18 < Lucifer_Cat> hehe im all in favor of one tight slap when needed.
2008-03-30 09:18 < Chetblong> coffe!
2008-03-30 09:18 < Chetblong> *coffee
2008-03-30 09:18 < ThePolecat> koffie
2008-03-30 09:18 * Chetblong wants some coffe
2008-03-30 09:19 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, or because they were beaten as children they grew older and more violent
2008-03-30 09:19 < ThePolecat> Did that ping you as well?
2008-03-30 09:19 < Chetblong> *coffee
2008-03-30 09:19 < Chetblong> hahah
2008-03-30 09:19 < Chetblong> yes
2008-03-30 09:19 < ShakespeareFan00> And the fact that there would be a reasoanble expectation that the defendants hould have known posting 'flashies' to an epileptic forum would cause problems?
2008-03-30 09:19 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: 'when needed' and 'one tight slap'
2008-03-30 09:19 < ThePolecat> "problems" is not a very distinct intention
2008-03-30 09:19 < Lucifer_Cat> i'd suck to have abusive parents.
2008-03-30 09:20 < Lucifer_Cat> it'd*
2008-03-30 09:20 < ThePolecat> "problems" is not enough for convictions either
2008-03-30 09:20 < Lucifer_Cat> s/problems/potentially fatal reactions/
2008-03-30 09:20 < ThePolecat> but in this case I have no doubt they knew they could cause extreme discomfort at the very least
2008-03-30 09:20 < ThePolecat> not sure if they'd gone on if they'd known the likelihood of death
2008-03-30 09:20 < ShakespeareFan00> Amend problems " would lead to some particpants of that forum suffering a dangerous medical condition"
2008-03-30 09:20 < ShakespeareFan00> into
2008-03-30 09:21 < ThePolecat> yea, but dangerous to what degree
2008-03-30 09:21 < ThePolecat> death is a huge step
2008-03-30 09:21 < ShakespeareFan00> potentialy life-threatning
2008-03-30 09:21 < Lucifer_Cat> ThePolecat: some kids/people dont understand how severe 'death' is
2008-03-30 09:21 < ThePolecat> I think the assault criteria were fully intended.
2008-03-30 09:21 < ThePolecat> ShakespeareFan00: I'm not sure they took that into account though
2008-03-30 09:21 < ThePolecat> they just wanted to cause people to wiggle.
2008-03-30 09:22 < ThePolecat> which is quite bad enough
2008-03-30 09:22 < ThePolecat> but not sure their intention included death
2008-03-30 09:22 < Lucifer_Cat> ThePolecat: it doesnt matter if you shoot at someone and dont know that blowing brains out causes death. you get sentenced anyways if ure old enough
2008-03-30 09:22 < Nil_Einne> How long you think before someone tries to move Safari to Safari (overland journey) and Safari (web browser) to Safari
2008-03-30 09:22 < ThePolecat> Yea, but those things will be assumed.
2008-03-30 09:23 < ThePolecat> the concrete likelihoods of severe forms of a medical condition can't always be
2008-03-30 09:23 < ThePolecat> depending on the person
2008-03-30 09:23 < Messedrocker> Nil_Einne, I wouldn't put it beyond appletards
2008-03-30 09:23 < Lucifer_Cat> also, they have to PROVE that they didnt know it would be fatal
2008-03-30 09:23 < ThePolecat> no
2008-03-30 09:23 < ThePolecat> innocent until proven guilty
2008-03-30 09:23 < Nil_Einne> well people tried it with java already
2008-03-30 09:24 < ThePolecat> they will have to defend themselves against those charges, but the balance is not as you say
2008-03-30 09:24 < Lucifer_Cat> ThePolecat: the american system assumes that only in case of celebs.
2008-03-30 09:24 < ThePolecat> No
2008-03-30 09:24 < ThePolecat> Maybe that's how it works in practice
2008-03-30 09:24 < Lucifer_Cat> thats my point
2008-03-30 09:24 < ThePolecat> but that's a problem of juries and elected judges, not of the common law
2008-03-30 09:24 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-03-30 09:26 < ShakespeareFan00> Lucifer_Cat: Proving they didn't know it was Fatal is for the Defence to prove,
2008-03-30 09:26 < Lucifer_Cat> thats what i was saying :\
2008-03-30 09:26 < ShakespeareFan00> It's for the proescution to demonstrate that they should have had reasonable knowledge it could have been AIUI
2008-03-30 09:26 < subsume> Is this an appropriate place to prompt admin attention?
2008-03-30 09:27 < Nil_Einne> You elect judges and coroners, is there anything you don't elect in the US?
2008-03-30 09:27 < Cyrius> it's not inappropriate
2008-03-30 09:27 < Cyrius> may not work, however
2008-03-30 09:27 < bumm13> presidents ;p
2008-03-30 09:28 < bumm13> lawyers aren't elected
2008-03-30 09:28 < Lucifer_Cat> are coroners elected?
2008-03-30 09:28 < Cyrius> I've never heard of it
2008-03-30 09:28 < Cyrius> but it wouldn't surprise me if there was some state that did
2008-03-30 09:28 < bumm13> I don't think they are
2008-03-30 09:29 < bumm13> (at least in my state)
2008-03-30 09:29 < Nil_Einne> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroner
2008-03-30 09:29 < ThePolecat> there's no proving a negative.
2008-03-30 09:30 < Nil_Einne> I forgot about elected sheriffs of course
2008-03-30 09:30 < ThePolecat> You come into court as innocent, charges are against you and you respond to them.
2008-03-30 09:30 < Cyrius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:UltimateEndorsement.jpg
2008-03-30 09:30 < bumm13> there's no not proving a non-absent positive
2008-03-30 09:30 < ThePolecat> non-negative :-P
2008-03-30 09:30 < Cyrius> subsume: you'll never get any admin attention in here if you don't say what you need
2008-03-30 09:31 < ThePolecat> AGF is serious business under rule of law.
2008-03-30 09:31 < bumm13> (hmm, my cat has wet feet)
2008-03-30 09:32 < ThePolecat> (only in court of course, the police's job is to ABF)
2008-03-30 09:32 < ThePolecat> "The Burmese Way to Socialism is the name of the ideology of Burmese ruler, Ne Win, who ..."
2008-03-30 09:32 < ThePolecat> AAH
2008-03-30 09:33 < ThePolecat> the comma mafia is after us again
2008-03-30 09:33 < bumm13> yeah, that first comma is incorrect
2008-03-30 09:33 < ThePolecat> "Ne Win's later attempt to make the currency base 9 proved purely negative..."
2008-03-30 09:34 < ThePolecat> that's an extravagant base
2008-03-30 09:34 < bumm13> "nonary"? "nonal"?
2008-03-30 09:34 < bumm13> is this UnCyc? :P
2008-03-30 09:34 < ThePolecat> nonal, yea
2008-03-30 09:34 < ThePolecat> no
2008-03-30 09:34 < bumm13> :x
2008-03-30 09:34 < ThePolecat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmese_Way_to_Socialism
2008-03-30 09:34 < bumm13> negative, non, no..... :x
2008-03-30 09:35 < ThePolecat> and yes, his name really was Ne Win
2008-03-30 09:35 < ThePolecat> Ne old win will do
2008-03-30 09:36 < Nil_Einne> Main reason I know coroners are sometimes elected is because I read about some major screw up by an incomppetent elected coroner once who i believe wasn't a doctor and had little knowledge of forensic pathology
2008-03-30 09:37 < ThePolecat> but he had a nice tie at the candidates debate
2008-03-30 09:38 < Nil_Einne> admitedly i can't remember if it was a real case or fictional
2008-03-30 09:38 < Lucifer_Cat> This article is FUBAR'd. Do what you can to save it. Save a life, don't write penis jokes.
2008-03-30 09:38 < ThePolecat> has a lot of [[verisimilitude]]
2008-03-30 09:39 < Nil_Einne> so anyway, speaking of candidates is bloomberg going to run for president or not
2008-03-30 09:39 < Lucifer_Cat> Americans think they can rule the world. NY mayors think they can rule america.
2008-03-30 09:40 < Nil_Einne> What about Texan governers?
2008-03-30 09:41 < Cyrius> the governor of texas has very little power
2008-03-30 09:41 < Nil_Einne> he does? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
2008-03-30 09:42 < Cyrius> we didn't let him be president of the us and governor of texas at the same time
2008-03-30 09:43 < Lucifer_Cat> anyways, all governers think that next step is POTUS
2008-03-30 09:43 < Lucifer_Cat> atleast when they start
2008-03-30 09:43 < Lucifer_Cat> maybe in 4-8 years they get fed up
2008-03-30 09:46 < ThePolecat> not sure if a governorship is the best stepping-stone
2008-03-30 09:46 < ThePolecat> I think a senator's job is probably best suited
2008-03-30 09:46 < ThePolecat> not a coincidence that we have three senators left
2008-03-30 09:46 < ThePolecat> brb again
2008-03-30 09:48 < Lucifer_Cat> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Art4bx.jpg
2008-03-30 09:48 < Lucifer_Cat> spot the obama
2008-03-30 09:49 < ThePolecat> duh, only black kid
2008-03-30 09:50 < Messedrocker> his teacher looks like christopher walken
2008-03-30 09:50 < subsume> Cyrius: Right. I had to make sure it was appropriate first.
2008-03-30 09:51 < subsume> Just wanted an Adminsitrator to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Xeni_Jardin#BLP
2008-03-30 09:52 < subsume> There is another Admin there marshalling the other side of the debate but I find their application of BLP flimsy.
2008-03-30 09:53 < Cyrius> well, I can't solve that one
2008-03-30 09:53 < subsume> ??
2008-03-30 09:54 < subsume> Admins don't step on each other's toes or something?
2008-03-30 09:54 < Lucifer_Cat> ThePolecat: the caption read: "Hard to tell which one is him, isn't it?"
2008-03-30 09:54 < Cyrius> it's not that, I just can't see what to do
2008-03-30 09:55 < sprax> Is there a way to have a disurbing photo hidden unless the user click "show"?
2008-03-30 09:55 < Nil_Einne> Let's say I gave you a choice between say Paris Hilton, Ron Paul and George W. Bush as president, who would you choose?
2008-03-30 09:55 < Cyrius> sprax: we generally don't do that
2008-03-30 09:56 < sprax> Cyrius really? I was sure I've seen it done before...
2008-03-30 09:56 < Nil_Einne> sprax: yes but that wouldn't be allowed on wikipedia
2008-03-30 09:56 < Cyrius> you can understand if I don't go looking for examples
2008-03-30 09:57 < sprax> meh
2008-03-30 09:57 < sprax> ok whatever
2008-03-30 09:57 < sprax> I just dont think people ought to be treated to a blood stained floor
2008-03-30 09:57 < sprax> unless they know they're going to see it
2008-03-30 09:57 < subsume> Cyrius: so that's that, eh?
2008-03-30 09:57 < subsume> Cyrius: No recourse?
2008-03-30 09:57 < Cyrius> subsume: uh, you could, you know, find someone else
2008-03-30 09:58 < subsume> Cyrius: uh, you could, you know, point me in that direction as that's what I'm asking
2008-03-30 09:58 < Lucifer_Cat> Nil_Einne: stupid Q
2008-03-30 09:58 < sprax> Nil_Einne your question is as retarded as the three idiots you've listed
2008-03-30 09:58 < Lucifer_Cat> we'd write in for Nader
2008-03-30 09:58 < Cyrius> did you try [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution]]?
2008-03-30 09:58 < sprax> Nil_Einne if THOSE were all I had to choose for president, I'd be taking the next flight out
2008-03-30 09:59 < Lucifer_Cat> or Buchanan
2008-03-30 09:59 < subsume> No, I will. Thanks.
2008-03-30 09:59 < Lucifer_Cat> me <3 the 2000 election jokes on Futurama
2008-03-30 09:59 < Lucifer_Cat> grrr... I*
2008-03-30 10:00 < Cyrius> sprax: there's the hidden template
2008-03-30 10:00 < Cyrius> but you should generally not hide images
2008-03-30 10:01 < Cyrius> blood on a floor is mild compared to many
2008-03-30 10:02 < Nil_Einne> I'm surprised no one choose Paris Hilton
2008-03-30 10:03 < Nil_Einne> At least then you know everyone's seen the president naked
2008-03-30 10:03 < sprax> Cyrius: It's copyright, has an ORTS tag on the commons, but no ID# or URL
2008-03-30 10:03 < sprax> Cyrius: How can I flag it for investigation / deletion?
2008-03-30 10:03 < Cyrius> I don't know the commons deletion procedure offhand
2008-03-30 10:03 < Cyrius> it'd take as long for you to look it up as me
2008-03-30 10:04 < sprax> Cyrius: fair enough, reading time for me
2008-03-30 10:04 < Cyrius> could try, I think it's #wikimedia-commons
2008-03-30 10:05 < sprax> Cyrius: cool, thanks
2008-03-30 10:05 < sprax> Nil_Einne she's a babbling idiot
2008-03-30 10:06 < Lucifer_Cat> sprax: much like someone i know
2008-03-30 10:06 < sprax> Nil_Einne I consider the precious milliseconds spent by my brain processing her name to be irrecoverably wasted
2008-03-30 10:07 < Lucifer_Cat> anyways, i got a Q... what to look for when getting a digicam
2008-03-30 10:08 < Fabexdj> hello
2008-03-30 10:10 < sprax> Nil_Einne in fact, I think the more relevant question is: if Paris Hilton, Ron Paul and Geoge W Bush were to consume eachothers flesh until death, would it have even a micrometer of impact on my existance? The obvious answer is no.
2008-03-30 10:11 < rw> life is good
2008-03-30 10:13 < sprax> Nil_Einne I will not tolerate the destruction of Paris Hilton unless it is done with free energy, because to destroy anything THAT irrelevant while in any way expending energy which could have been used elsewhere, would be an utter tragedy
2008-03-30 10:14 < sprax> god I hate her...
2008-03-30 10:14 < Cyrius> hah
2008-03-30 10:14 < toresbe> why do people *hate* her?
2008-03-30 10:14 < rma> can you dudes give me an article to work on ploz
2008-03-30 10:14 < Cyrius> rma: [[Special:Random]]
2008-03-30 10:14 < sprax> rma [[APIAC]]
2008-03-30 10:14 < sprax> AIPAC even...
2008-03-30 10:14 < toresbe> I mean, she's a terrible role model for the young, but she's... just a person.
2008-03-30 10:15 < rma> random gives me unimprovable articles too often
2008-03-30 10:15 < Cyrius> every article needs improvement
2008-03-30 10:15 < toresbe> Cyrius: but not all are trivial to improve.
2008-03-30 10:15 < toresbe> some have more glaring problems than others.
2008-03-30 10:16 < Cyrius> [[Category:All pages needing cleanup]]
2008-03-30 10:16 < sprax> or pages lacking sources
2008-03-30 10:17 < rma> kay
2008-03-30 10:18 < sprax> The {{fact}} tag is great, but it would be cool if it used the system timestamp to help avoid fraud
2008-03-30 10:19 < sprax> Though thats a dev issue...
2008-03-30 10:19 < taza> Anyone noticed how you can't edit wikipedia lately?
2008-03-30 10:19 < taza> I've tried to template / revert vandalism on several pages now and nothing happens. Not even an entry in the history
2008-03-30 10:20 < sprax> I noticed that you can't "undo" an old revert
2008-03-30 10:20 < sprax> you have to edit that version and save
2008-03-30 10:20 < rma> i just need to start improving articles in my spare time so I can make a portfolio later on
2008-03-30 10:20 < taza> I tried by both reverting and manually editing