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2008-03-22 07:00 < SynergeticMag> 8:30
2008-03-22 07:00 < SynergeticMag> am
2008-03-22 07:00 < Werdna> Tefad: I think it's okay. Be aware that our servers do it anyway, though.
2008-03-22 07:01 < Werdna> as far as I know
2008-03-22 07:01 < Lucifer_Cat> what place is that?
2008-03-22 07:01 < Werdna> as part of the thumbnailing process
2008-03-22 07:01 < Lucifer_Cat> somewhere in south america?
2008-03-22 07:01 * SynergeticMag is confused now
2008-03-22 07:01 < Daniel-Bryant> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADaniel&diff=200053736&oldid=199803128 ghastly :)
2008-03-22 07:01 < SynergeticMag> oh wait, no, its 8am
2008-03-22 07:01 < Tefad> the image i have created is 54% the size of the image presently hosted
2008-03-22 07:02 < Lucifer_Cat> east coast
2008-03-22 07:02 < SynergeticMag> yeah i'm in Michigan
2008-03-22 07:02 < Daniel-Bryant> "The current archive is Archive 1."
2008-03-22 07:02 < Daniel-Bryant> it is?
2008-03-22 07:02 < SynergeticMag> home of the jobless
2008-03-22 07:02 < Daniel-Bryant> more like "Archive 62" :)
2008-03-22 07:03 < Tefad> i imagine it is highly improbable that a smaller version of this file can be reproduced in a lossless manner using the same file format
2008-03-22 07:03 < DeadEyeArrow> Syn, I miss the snow cause I used to live in Quebec, haven't been back there in awhile
2008-03-22 07:03 < Tefad> by smaller i mean of significance.. say 100bytes.
2008-03-22 07:03 < SynergeticMag> i'm not used to talking to people from other countires yet...
2008-03-22 07:03 < DeadEyeArrow> Well, I was born here
2008-03-22 07:04 < SynergeticMag> well, i wasnt going to so something like "dont cross out borders pal"
2008-03-22 07:04 < SynergeticMag> :D
2008-03-22 07:04 < SynergeticMag> dont hop our 100 yard fence
2008-03-22 07:05 < SynergeticMag> i like snow when its not dirty
2008-03-22 07:05 < SynergeticMag> or hasnt been sitting there since last spring
2008-03-22 07:06 < SynergeticMag> quanticle i know your there
2008-03-22 07:06 < SynergeticMag> sneaky chess player
2008-03-22 07:06 < Tefad> you know his what?
2008-03-22 07:06 < SynergeticMag> wha??
2008-03-22 07:07 < Tefad> also excuse my assumption that quanticle is male.. that is if i am incorrect : D
2008-03-22 07:07 < SynergeticMag> i have no idea
2008-03-22 07:08 < SynergeticMag> "it" plays chess like a girl :D
2008-03-22 07:08 < Tefad> so image uploading.. i currently lack this skill
2008-03-22 07:08 < SynergeticMag> its easy
2008-03-22 07:08 < snowolf> SynergeticMag: how do girls play chess?
2008-03-22 07:08 < SynergeticMag> like quanticle
2008-03-22 07:09 < SynergeticMag> like checkers
2008-03-22 07:09 < SynergeticMag> :)
2008-03-22 07:09 < DeadEyeArrow> with their feet
2008-03-22 07:09 < SynergeticMag> while painting their toe nails
2008-03-22 07:09 < SynergeticMag> theres a faint smell of remover in the air
2008-03-22 07:09 * Tefad shrugs and idles
2008-03-22 07:10 < SynergeticMag> snowolf, you must be a girl?
2008-03-22 07:10 < SynergeticMag> -?
2008-03-22 07:10 < snowolf> why should I?
2008-03-22 07:10 < SynergeticMag> :/
2008-03-22 07:10 * snowolf is a wolf, a male wolf
2008-03-22 07:10 < SynergeticMag> you're the only one who responded
2008-03-22 07:11 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: its still 7 am where quanticle is at
2008-03-22 07:11 < SynergeticMag> well, i just got off work a few hours ago
2008-03-22 07:11 < SynergeticMag> and noticed it moved
2008-03-22 07:11 < SynergeticMag> he/she
2008-03-22 07:12 < Lucifer_Cat> he
2008-03-22 07:12 < SynergeticMag> also, snow wolf is spelled with two w's
2008-03-22 07:12 < Lucifer_Cat> anyways
2008-03-22 07:12 < Tefad> Lucifer_Cat: nice dangling grammar.
2008-03-22 07:12 < Lucifer_Cat> Tefad: thanks
2008-03-22 07:13 < SynergeticMag> i thought only ceiling cats dangle?
2008-03-22 07:15 < SynergeticMag> Tefad: your image has now been deleted per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nutshell.png
2008-03-22 07:16 * Lucifer_Cat dangles off SynergeticMag with his sharp claws....
2008-03-22 07:16 < Lucifer_Cat> see allcats can do it
2008-03-22 07:16 * SynergeticMag shakes of some pollen
2008-03-22 07:17 < SynergeticMag> how do you pronounce tefad?
2008-03-22 07:17 < DeadEyeArrow> like Tefad
2008-03-22 07:17 < Lucifer_Cat> Tiff-add
2008-03-22 07:17 < DeadEyeArrow> Tay-fad
2008-03-22 07:17 < Tefad> generally it doesn't get pronounced
2008-03-22 07:18 < SynergeticMag> tea fad
2008-03-22 07:18 < Tefad> that one isn't acceptable.
2008-03-22 07:18 < SynergeticMag> well, my inner monologue needed to know
2008-03-22 07:19 < Tefad> of the various ways people have said it, SynergeticMag's is the one i like the least ; )
2008-03-22 07:19 < SynergeticMag> aww well danke
2008-03-22 07:19 < DeadEyeArrow> Boooo
2008-03-22 07:19 < Tefad> i've been using it for.. over 12 years now
2008-03-22 07:19 < SynergeticMag> hiss hiss
2008-03-22 07:19 < SynergeticMag> snarf
2008-03-22 07:19 < Tefad> (this handle)
2008-03-22 07:19 < SynergeticMag> snarl
2008-03-22 07:20 < DeadEyeArrow> Same here Tefad
2008-03-22 07:20 < Tefad> cool
2008-03-22 07:20 < SynergeticMag> i'm a crossover from aol chat
2008-03-22 07:21 < Tefad> former prodigy user here
2008-03-22 07:21 < SynergeticMag> i used to people coming in and being obnoxious and asking really, really dumb questions
2008-03-22 07:21 < SynergeticMag> i'm*
2008-03-22 07:21 < Tefad> eternal september ; )
2008-03-22 07:22 * Lucifer_Cat is a DalNet veteran
2008-03-22 07:22 < SynergeticMag> thats a living hell
2008-03-22 07:22 * Lucifer_Cat hides in shame
2008-03-22 07:22 < Tefad> dalnet here too, before it got huge even
2008-03-22 07:22 < Tefad> i think i got on about a year before dalvenjah left
2008-03-22 07:23 < Tefad> stopped using it after the huge DDoS
2008-03-22 07:23 < Lucifer_Cat> i was on it not too long ago
2008-03-22 07:23 < Lucifer_Cat> oh wait no
2008-03-22 07:23 < SynergeticMag> :/
2008-03-22 07:23 < Tefad> i idle there often : )
2008-03-22 07:23 < Lucifer_Cat> wow it was infact almost 7 years ago
2008-03-22 07:23 < SynergeticMag> not too long ago = 7 years
2008-03-22 07:23 < SynergeticMag> dr who
2008-03-22 07:23 < Tefad> though i don't really have any intelligent conversations there
2008-03-22 07:23 < Lucifer_Cat> on a regular basis that is
2008-03-22 07:24 < Lucifer_Cat> Tefad: yeah its all "hi... asl... hobbies?... "
2008-03-22 07:24 < Lucifer_Cat> and mostly PMing people of opposite sex
2008-03-22 07:25 < SynergeticMag> that was what aolchats were like
2008-03-22 07:25 < Lucifer_Cat> i used to do that in highschool... man its been 6 years since highschool.
2008-03-22 07:25 < Rinn|Dead> I was trolling AOL chats before it was cool.
2008-03-22 07:25 < Tefad> wow, dalnet kind of .. leveled off.. 40k users for the last four years
2008-03-22 07:26 * SynergeticMag doesnt wanna say how long ago highschool was
2008-03-22 07:26 < Lucifer_Cat> yet im younger than a lot here :P
2008-03-22 07:26 < Lucifer_Cat> ure 26
2008-03-22 07:26 < SynergeticMag> nope
2008-03-22 07:26 < Lucifer_Cat> or 28, either of those or ure one filthy liar
2008-03-22 07:27 < SynergeticMag> wow, not much AGF here eh?
2008-03-22 07:27 < SynergeticMag> its 28
2008-03-22 07:27 < Lucifer_Cat> whats AGF?
2008-03-22 07:27 < SynergeticMag> why do i have to be filthy if i lied? heh
2008-03-22 07:27 < SynergeticMag> assume good faith
2008-03-22 07:27 < Tefad> i'm pretty sure i used dalnet at the time they hit 10k users
2008-03-22 07:27 < Tefad> but i didn't make note of it
2008-03-22 07:27 < Lucifer_Cat> u said u were 28 when u threw out the bowl
2008-03-22 07:27 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AGF
2008-03-22 07:27 < Tefad> nor did i frequent it
2008-03-22 07:28 < Tefad> i remember 30k though
2008-03-22 07:28 < SynergeticMag> yeah but that bowl is now in Aleena's dishwasher
2008-03-22 07:28 < SynergeticMag> and i cant get it out
2008-03-22 07:28 < SynergeticMag> unless i revert
2008-03-22 07:28 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: im familiar with the "assume good faith" philosophy in general. use it 99% of time.
2008-03-22 07:28 < SynergeticMag> i just happen to be the 1%!
2008-03-22 07:29 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah. ure an oatmeal eating oatmeal wasting bowl trashing filthy something
2008-03-22 07:29 * SynergeticMag basks in his filthyness
2008-03-22 07:29 < Lucifer_Cat> :D
2008-03-22 07:29 < SynergeticMag> i'm a part of the dont tell mom the babysitter is ded generation
2008-03-22 07:29 < SynergeticMag> i break my dishes
2008-03-22 07:29 < SynergeticMag> with a gun
2008-03-22 07:30 < SynergeticMag> but they took the gun away....
2008-03-22 07:30 < Tefad> is that similar to the married with children generation?
2008-03-22 07:30 < Tefad> ; )
2008-03-22 07:30 < SynergeticMag> no, my hand is not down my pants!
2008-03-22 07:30 < Tefad> aw : (
2008-03-22 07:30 < SynergeticMag> :?
2008-03-22 07:30 < SynergeticMag> wow
2008-03-22 07:30 < SynergeticMag> i didnt know that made a bubble
2008-03-22 07:30 < SynergeticMag> :?
2008-03-22 07:30 * Rinn|Dead coughs all over SynergeticMag
2008-03-22 07:31 < Tefad> bubble?
2008-03-22 07:31 < Lucifer_Cat> hes using Chatzilla
2008-03-22 07:31 < SynergeticMag> yeah, its a bubble question mark
2008-03-22 07:31 < Tefad> no idea what you're talking about
2008-03-22 07:31 * SynergeticMag wipes off his face
2008-03-22 07:31 < Lucifer_Cat> a smiley with a ? rather than facial features
2008-03-22 07:31 < SynergeticMag> damn germs
2008-03-22 07:31 < Tefad> .. an image?
2008-03-22 07:31 < SynergeticMag> yeah i typo'd to get that
2008-03-22 07:32 < SynergeticMag> yeah, i'm on acid
2008-03-22 07:32 < SynergeticMag> trippy
2008-03-22 07:32 < SynergeticMag> the bubble speaks to me
2008-03-22 07:32 < SynergeticMag> tells me things will be
2008-03-22 07:32 < SynergeticMag> "ok"
2008-03-22 07:32 < Tefad> what kind of IRC client are you using? microsoft comic chat?
2008-03-22 07:32 < SynergeticMag> funny
2008-03-22 07:32 < SynergeticMag> mozilla firefow
2008-03-22 07:32 < SynergeticMag> chatzilla
2008-03-22 07:32 < SynergeticMag> um
2008-03-22 07:33 < Tefad> oh, close enough then.
2008-03-22 07:33 < SynergeticMag> firefox*
2008-03-22 07:33 < SynergeticMag> its the only way i know how to get on here
2008-03-22 07:33 < Lucifer_Cat> okay heres a Q... if your insurance/warranty dont cover roadside assistance... and your car breaksdown/ has some issue, who do u call?
2008-03-22 07:33 < Tefad> i use a terminal : )
2008-03-22 07:34 < Tefad> ghost busters!
2008-03-22 07:34 < Tefad> you set yourself up for that one
2008-03-22 07:34 < SynergeticMag> Lucifer_Cat: mom and dad
2008-03-22 07:34 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: not a option
2008-03-22 07:34 < Tefad> Lucifer_Cat: goog411
2008-03-22 07:34 < Lucifer_Cat> Tefad: sure?
2008-03-22 07:34 < SynergeticMag> Lucifer_Cat: tow truck
2008-03-22 07:34 < Tefad> you can also try *HP
2008-03-22 07:34 < SynergeticMag> then call pizza hut
2008-03-22 07:35 < Rinn|Dead> Does Pizza Hut deliver to broken-down cars?
2008-03-22 07:35 < SynergeticMag> Rinn: nope, residence only
2008-03-22 07:35 < Tefad> many localities offer highway patrol on high volume roads (such as interstates, or multilane highways)
2008-03-22 07:35 < Rinn|Dead> Technically that could be someone's residence.
2008-03-22 07:35 < Tefad> SynergeticMag: or business
2008-03-22 07:36 < Lucifer_Cat> Tefad: i used to feed this 'PRIVMSG #wikipedia Tefad: i feed IRC commands directly to sockets' directly into the sockets
2008-03-22 07:36 < SynergeticMag> but the delivery driver could give you lift
2008-03-22 07:36 < Tefad> Lucifer_Cat: IRC via telnet is always fun
2008-03-22 07:36 < Tefad> i always miss the PING requests though
2008-03-22 07:36 < Tefad> or typo the PONG reply : (
2008-03-22 07:36 < Lucifer_Cat> i used java to open me a port and then send to the socket
2008-03-22 07:36 < Tefad> i don't think ms telnet had copy/paste support
2008-03-22 07:37 < Tefad> i've written an IRC bot in perl once, just to see if i could (no external libraries, just sockets and regex *shudder*)
2008-03-22 07:37 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag, Rinn|Dead, the AAA thingy, can you have it independent of your insurance?
2008-03-22 07:37 < Tefad> i have AAA only independ
2008-03-22 07:37 < Tefad> independent
2008-03-22 07:37 < Lucifer_Cat> how much does it cost?
2008-03-22 07:37 < Tefad> cheap.. like.. $80/yr
2008-03-22 07:37 < SynergeticMag> i believe you could have multiple insurance companies, but thats alot of money
2008-03-22 07:37 < Tefad> worth it even if you only use it once a year
2008-03-22 07:38 < Tefad> AAA isn't really insurance
2008-03-22 07:38 < SynergeticMag> i think it also depends on the state
2008-03-22 07:38 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah my single insurance islike 1200
2008-03-22 07:38 < SynergeticMag> well i dont have a car, so you're asking the wrong nick
2008-03-22 07:38 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah AA totally worth it
2008-03-22 07:38 < SynergeticMag> AA?
2008-03-22 07:38 < Lucifer_Cat> AAA
2008-03-22 07:38 < SynergeticMag> alcoholics anon?
2008-03-22 07:38 < Lucifer_Cat> acidics anon
2008-03-22 07:38 < Luna-San> AAA has saved my ass twice.
2008-03-22 07:38 < Tefad> i'm married with two vehicles, liability only. it's about $450 every 6mos
2008-03-22 07:39 < SynergeticMag> yeah, trust an AA member to fix your car, and drive you home
2008-03-22 07:39 < Tefad> i've only personally used AAA once since i've had it (that i can recall)
2008-03-22 07:39 < SynergeticMag> theres 12 steps to the front portch
2008-03-22 07:39 < Tefad> i think the wife used it as well, once
2008-03-22 07:39 < SynergeticMag> "the wife"
2008-03-22 07:39 * SynergeticMag giggles
2008-03-22 07:39 < Lucifer_Cat> Tefad: i know it isnt. its just that my insurance doesnt cover roadside assistance. i need to know who to call :P
2008-03-22 07:39 < Luna-San> The nifty discounts and free road maps are a good benefit of membership, too. >.>
2008-03-22 07:39 < Tefad> i locked my keys in my car (and didn't have a spare as i didn't own it at the time)
2008-03-22 07:40 < SynergeticMag> Lucifer_Cat: a new insurance company, you need better insurance
2008-03-22 07:40 < Tefad> Lucifer_Cat: usually a tow truck company can help you
2008-03-22 07:40 < SynergeticMag> full coverage, or something of the like
2008-03-22 07:40 < Tefad> for AAA you need to pay them first...
2008-03-22 07:40 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: they all are costing me a bomb
2008-03-22 07:40 < SynergeticMag> a bomb? i can make those for free
2008-03-22 07:40 < SynergeticMag> sending you one is the problem
2008-03-22 07:40 < Lucifer_Cat> 'pay them first' as in on the spot or like 'at the time or registering'
2008-03-22 07:40 < Tefad> the wife used it once when she shredded the sidewall of a tire on a storm drain. they put the spare tire on for her
2008-03-22 07:41 < Tefad> at the time of registering before you know you need them.
2008-03-22 07:41 < Lucifer_Cat> ok
2008-03-22 07:41 < Tefad> i think that's how that works ; )
2008-03-22 07:41 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-03-22 07:41 < Tefad> usually the truck that helps you asks to see your AAA card.
2008-03-22 07:41 < Tefad> then copies the numbers from it
2008-03-22 07:41 < Lucifer_Cat> gotcha
2008-03-22 07:41 < Tefad> sometimes you can get roadside assistance through your cellphone company
2008-03-22 07:41 * SynergeticMag is cracking up
2008-03-22 07:42 < Lucifer_Cat> whats so funny
2008-03-22 07:42 < Lucifer_Cat> a n00b asking Qs?
2008-03-22 07:42 < SynergeticMag> i dunno, i cant imagine having insurance that doesnt cover you in all things
2008-03-22 07:42 < SynergeticMag> plus, where i live theres no fault insurance
2008-03-22 07:42 < shimgray> no insurance covers you in all things
2008-03-22 07:42 < Lucifer_Cat> well it costs more money than i can spend thats why
2008-03-22 07:42 < SynergeticMag> i still cant grasp that
2008-03-22 07:43 < Tefad> ewww i hate that
2008-03-22 07:43 < SynergeticMag> if i hit you with my car, on purpose, is it no ones fault?
2008-03-22 07:43 < shimgray> you think it does, wait until your car gets taken out by a cruise missile and try to claim it back.
2008-03-22 07:43 < Tefad> if you're from a state without no fault, and have an accident, you're screwed.
2008-03-22 07:43 < SynergeticMag> yeah, thats why i have no car
2008-03-22 07:43 < SynergeticMag> i dont trust other drivers
2008-03-22 07:43 < Lucifer_Cat> okay guys, stop spooking me out.
2008-03-22 07:43 < Tefad> heh, with no fault, you don't need to worry : D
2008-03-22 07:43 < SynergeticMag> pedestrians get more money
2008-03-22 07:44 < SynergeticMag> i'm used to someone being at fault
2008-03-22 07:44 < SynergeticMag> and this michigan left
2008-03-22 07:44 < nixeagle> move to ohio!
2008-03-22 07:44 < SynergeticMag> or was it right
2008-03-22 07:44 < SynergeticMag> Eagle!
2008-03-22 07:44 < nixeagle> :P
2008-03-22 07:44 < Werdna> I was in OH once
2008-03-22 07:44 < SynergeticMag> i'm 1-2 hours from ohio
2008-03-22 07:44 < Werdna> NE OH
2008-03-22 07:44 < nixeagle> SynergeticMag, yeah you are in blizzard country ;)
2008-03-22 07:45 < SynergeticMag> dont remind me!
2008-03-22 07:45 < SynergeticMag> it snowed last night
2008-03-22 07:45 < SynergeticMag> pring does that around here
2008-03-22 07:45 < SynergeticMag> and spring
2008-03-22 07:45 < SynergeticMag> my cat makes yellow snow, its funny
2008-03-22 07:46 < SynergeticMag> snow cat
2008-03-22 07:46 < Warpath> O_o
2008-03-22 07:46 < SynergeticMag> ok i lost you all
2008-03-22 07:46 < SynergeticMag> heh
2008-03-22 07:46 < SynergeticMag> how do i make those faces!
2008-03-22 07:46 < SynergeticMag> o.0
2008-03-22 07:46 < SynergeticMag> nope
2008-03-22 07:46 < SynergeticMag> :p
2008-03-22 07:46 < SynergeticMag> theres one
2008-03-22 07:46 < Lucifer_Cat> o.O
2008-03-22 07:47 < Lucifer_Cat> use the upper case O
2008-03-22 07:47 < Lucifer_Cat> not 0
2008-03-22 07:47 < SynergeticMag> yeah show me one of those
2008-03-22 07:47 < SynergeticMag> O.o
2008-03-22 07:47 < Lucifer_Cat> o . O
2008-03-22 07:47 < SynergeticMag> aha!
2008-03-22 07:47 < Lucifer_Cat> got it
2008-03-22 07:47 < rw> hello. apparently some youtube videos cannot be viewed ( for which reasons ? ) by some user outside the US ( i.e. Germany ). Anyone here knows something about this?
2008-03-22 07:47 < SynergeticMag> because they smell like liquor
2008-03-22 07:47 * SynergeticMag should know
2008-03-22 07:48 * SynergeticMag is german
2008-03-22 07:48 < SynergeticMag> well
2008-03-22 07:48 < SynergeticMag> part
2008-03-22 07:48 < nixeagle> rw, yea its country specific blocking, yey censorship
2008-03-22 07:48 < SynergeticMag> blame the government
2008-03-22 07:48 < SynergeticMag> i do
2008-03-22 07:49 < rw> nixeagle, it isn't mentioned in the wikipedia article i think
2008-03-22 07:49 < SynergeticMag> ...
2008-03-22 07:49 < SynergeticMag> link us
2008-03-22 07:49 < Lucifer_Cat> remember us
2008-03-22 07:49 < SynergeticMag> poner us
2008-03-22 07:49 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-03-22 07:49 < SynergeticMag> ponder*
2008-03-22 07:49 < Lucifer_Cat> bone us
2008-03-22 07:50 * nixeagle only has a /. comment to back him up >.>
2008-03-22 07:50 < SynergeticMag> nono no
2008-03-22 07:50 < SynergeticMag> eagle, lol
2008-03-22 07:50 < SynergeticMag> what ?
2008-03-22 07:50 < SynergeticMag> :?
2008-03-22 07:50 < SynergeticMag> bubble bobble
2008-03-22 07:50 < SynergeticMag> you know what i hate
2008-03-22 07:50 < SynergeticMag> beans
2008-03-22 07:50 < rw> nixeagle, do you know some more details about this?
2008-03-22 07:51 < SynergeticMag> rw: give us the wiki link
2008-03-22 07:51 < nixeagle> rw, not really, google youtube etc
2008-03-22 07:51 < SynergeticMag> which articl?
2008-03-22 07:51 < SynergeticMag> article*
2008-03-22 07:51 < SynergeticMag> i give up
2008-03-22 07:51 < Lucifer_Cat> you know what it reminds me of? tasty wheat
2008-03-22 07:52 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youtube#Blocking
2008-03-22 07:52 < nixeagle> rw, http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=496104&cid=22826706
2008-03-22 07:52 < SynergeticMag> http://de.youtube.com/
2008-03-22 07:53 < SynergeticMag> thats the german youtube
2008-03-22 07:53 < SynergeticMag> if thats what you needed
2008-03-22 07:53 < SynergeticMag> if not then
2008-03-22 07:53 < SynergeticMag> oh well
2008-03-22 07:59 < Lucifer_Cat> chat killer
2008-03-22 07:59 < tonyb486> Murder!
2008-03-22 08:02 < SynergeticMag> me?
2008-03-22 08:02 < SynergeticMag> no
2008-03-22 08:03 < SynergeticMag> Man sells life on eBay
2008-03-22 08:03 < SynergeticMag> that
2008-03-22 08:03 < SynergeticMag> is in the news
2008-03-22 08:03 < SynergeticMag> why?
2008-03-22 08:04 < tonyb486> The news is bored?
2008-03-22 08:05 < SynergeticMag> i'd buy that, but
2008-03-22 08:05 < shimgray> It's Easter weekend. NOTHING HAPPENS.
2008-03-22 08:05 < SynergeticMag> man plays piano that has been set on fire
2008-03-22 08:05 < SynergeticMag> that
2008-03-22 08:05 < SynergeticMag> that happened
2008-03-22 08:06 < tonyb486> The ebay thing was on the news yesterday
2008-03-22 08:06 < Lucifer_Cat> and he got divorced too i guess.
2008-03-22 08:06 < Lucifer_Cat> so basically, his life is worth not much
2008-03-22 08:10 < nixeagle> who wants to help out with some crosswiki spam?
2008-03-22 08:11 < rw> hm nixeagle, interesting page but as it seems this only concerns china
2008-03-22 08:13 * nixeagle hears dead silence
2008-03-22 08:16 * Mike_H NP: Oxo - Whirly Girl (1983)
2008-03-22 08:19 < jackyboy633455> hi
2008-03-22 08:20 < snowolf> hi jackyboy633455
2008-03-22 08:27 < emma> Hi. Do any of you have one of those wikipedia cloaks?
2008-03-22 08:29 < Martinp23> see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_channel_cloaks
2008-03-22 08:29 < Mike_H> Martinp23: lovely, two people who are never active are the ones who do cloaks
2008-03-22 08:29 < Martinp23> Though there's a bit of a wait, so you can get a temporary unaffiliated cloak by following the instructions here: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks and then adking in #freenode .
2008-03-22 08:30 < Martinp23> Mike_H: Mmm but i understand the current delay is due to things outside their control. The current system is quite efficient and should speed things up when everything's right.
2008-03-22 08:31 < Hedley> Are images on the main page meant to be protected?
2008-03-22 08:32 < shimgray> Yes.
2008-03-22 08:32 < Lucifer_Cat> f.r.i.e.n.d.s ftw
2008-03-22 08:33 < Lucifer_Cat> Martinp23: its only temporary?
2008-03-22 08:33 < Lucifer_Cat> i got mine just yesterday
2008-03-22 08:33 < Martinp23> Lucifer_Cat: It is if you apply for a wikimedia cloak at the same time - the wikimedia one will overwrite it.
2008-03-22 08:33 < Lucifer_Cat> oh ok
2008-03-22 08:34 < Martinp23> Otherwise no, it's permanent unless you abuse it ;)
2008-03-22 08:34 < Hello32020> !admin Could someone place the Taiwan presidential election story on the main page, there's strong consensus for it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page/Candidates#Taiwan_presidential_election
2008-03-22 08:34 < Lucifer_Cat> well imo, i dont deserve the wiki cloak till i make some decent edits
2008-03-22 08:34 < emma> Does Jimmy Wales ever come in here?
2008-03-22 08:34 < Hedley> yes
2008-03-22 08:35 < Hedley> As 'jwales' I think
2008-03-22 08:35 < Lucifer_Cat> hes here right now.
2008-03-22 08:35 < Lucifer_Cat> as someone else
2008-03-22 08:35 < emma> Oh my.
2008-03-22 08:35 < Thehelpfulone2> Lucifer_Cat: you lie!
2008-03-22 08:35 < Mike_H> Martinp23: More people should be giving cloaks.
2008-03-22 08:35 < Lucifer_Cat> do i look like GLaDoS to you?
2008-03-22 08:35 < Mike_H> If there's a problem, remedy it
2008-03-22 08:36 < Mike_H> and in this case, the remedy should be letting other users who are active do the job.
2008-03-22 08:36 < Thehelpfulone2> Mike_H: only seanw can give them ATM and there are some paperwork issues that need to be fixed
2008-03-22 08:36 < Leslie_S> Lucifer_Cat having the cloak has nothing to do with anything, other than the fact that you use #wikipedia...
2008-03-22 08:36 < Mike_H> Thehelpfulone2: Then he needs to loosen the reins if he can't do the job.
2008-03-22 08:36 < Leslie_S> Mike_H heh, remember fennec?
2008-03-22 08:36 < Martinp23> Mike_H: Cloaks can only be set by freenode staff. That means Sean, as James has delegated fully to him.
2008-03-22 08:36 < Lucifer_Cat> it does not, i know, but i like to think i earned something even if its free/effortless
2008-03-22 08:37 < Mike_H> Don't any of you find it exasperating?
2008-03-22 08:37 < Mike_H> You all sound like you're making excuses.
2008-03-22 08:37 < Lucifer_Cat> me? i didnt even say anything
2008-03-22 08:37 < Mike_H> not you.
2008-03-22 08:37 < Martinp23> Mike_H: There is some issue with changing exactly what cloaks can be issued (afaik) that needs resolving... though freenode.
2008-03-22 08:37 < Lucifer_Cat> i do agree there should not be a lag
2008-03-22 08:37 < Thehelpfulone2> Mike_H: Let me give you a quote
2008-03-22 08:38 < Mike_H> oh, Lord.
2008-03-22 08:38 < Martinp23> Mike_H: Yes, it is exasperating, but ultimately it's out of the GC's control. Using it as an excuse to call of their heads to be removed is poor.
2008-03-22 08:38 < snowolf> Mike_H: I know that they're working on a web interface to assing cloaks AFAIK
2008-03-22 08:38 < Martinp23> *for their heads
2008-03-22 08:38 < Mike_H> Martinp23: Nobody asked for any heads to be removed, you're clearly not reading what I'm writing.
2008-03-22 08:38 < Mike_H> I said add more. Not subtract anyone.
2008-03-22 08:38 < Hello32020> ugh wikimonitor is horrible at linking
2008-03-22 08:38 < Martinp23> Mike_H: So id we add you as a group contact now, what exactly would you be able to do?
2008-03-22 08:39 < Mike_H> If someone trained me on how to do them, I'd do it.
2008-03-22 08:39 < snowolf> atm, only staffer can assign cloaks
2008-03-22 08:39 < Martinp23> Cloaks still wouldn't be able to be assigned because of the paperwork needing to be resolved.
2008-03-22 08:39 < Martinp23> And you'd have ot go through staff.
2008-03-22 08:39 < snowolf> you're not a staffer, you wouldn't be able to assign them anyway
2008-03-22 08:39 < Mike_H> All of it is utter bullshit, and I think I am entitled to comment on said bullshit.
2008-03-22 08:39 < snowolf> Mike_H: comment to christel then
2008-03-22 09:55 < Kamping_Kaiser> :)
2008-03-22 09:58 < CrazySane> Heh, read the first few entries, the conversation... seems.. ah, intersting
2008-03-22 09:59 < Kamping_Kaiser> first few is all you need. after that it loops, infinitely
2008-03-22 10:16 < CrazySane> I think Ima have to stop x-Chat from printing Join/Part Msgs... this is silly.. I had to scroll up to see your msg.
2008-03-22 10:25 < ShakespeareFan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DanielVictorPressPhotoShoot.jpg - Unable to confirm as GFDL so retagged
2008-03-22 10:25 < ShakespeareFan00> uploader's readded GFDL (not adding evidence of where the GFDL claim is made) and page is protected
2008-03-22 10:25 < ShakespeareFan00> This is wrong
2008-03-22 10:27 < shimgray> Yes, it is wrong. The page isn't protected.
2008-03-22 10:30 < ShakespeareFan00> I also can't confirm the source image as GFDL - the link given is a dud
2008-03-22 10:30 < ShakespeareFan00> (At least for me)
2008-03-22 10:31 < ShakespeareFan00> I'm Image sweeping, there will be some moans shortly
2008-03-22 10:31 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-03-22 10:41 < Thehelpfulone2> is meta down?
2008-03-22 10:41 < DeadEyeArrow> not for me
2008-03-22 10:42 < Thehelpfulone2> :(
2008-03-22 10:50 < ShakespeareFan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:British_National_Party_Logo.png - Inappropriate to promote such organisations on Wikipedia
2008-03-22 10:53 < ShakespeareFan00> Cna someone please review and nuke it?
2008-03-22 10:54 < emma> can a person do a wget -R http://wikipedia.org ?
2008-03-22 10:56 < shimgray> emma: if that's what I think it is, probably not.
2008-03-22 10:57 < shimgray> there's some kind of throttling in place to prevent craziness like that.
2008-03-22 10:57 < emma> There should be a way to download the entire wikipedia and put it on your hard drive.
2008-03-22 10:58 < shimgray> emma: There is. We offer dumps of the complete database
2008-03-22 10:58 < emma> Okay cool.
2008-03-22 10:58 < shimgray> doing it through wget is... both inefficient and impolite
2008-03-22 10:58 < shimgray> http://dumps.wikimedia.org/
2008-03-22 10:58 < emma> Including the revision history?
2008-03-22 10:59 < shimgray> Sort of. That dump tends to have problems being generated.
2008-03-22 10:59 < shimgray> the last valid all-history dump for enwikipedia is 17.3 GB, 1st March.
2008-03-22 10:59 < emma> Not long ago.
2008-03-22 11:00 < emma> And not such a big file either. I expected bigger for some reason.
2008-03-22 11:00 < shimgray> there's one for March 15th, but not finished yet
2008-03-22 11:00 < shimgray> it's all text. text is simple.
2008-03-22 11:00 < emma> Pictures too right?
2008-03-22 11:00 < shimgray> Not in that database.
2008-03-22 11:00 < emma> All the content in wikipedia is licenced under what?
2008-03-22 11:00 < shimgray> Text GFDL, images vary.
2008-03-22 11:01 < shimgray> All current reader-facing pages and images is 3.5gb
2008-03-22 11:01 < emma> Does that license prevent anyone from taking all the content on wikipedia and starting their own alternativer wikipedia?
2008-03-22 11:02 < quanquan> hello,eveyone~
2008-03-22 11:02 < mavhc> the dump is the database for mediawiki?
2008-03-22 11:02 < shimgray> emma: Of course not.
2008-03-22 11:02 < mavhc> emma: as long as you keep the same licence, no
2008-03-22 11:02 < mavhc> lots of spam websites have
2008-03-22 11:02 * Mike_H NP: Mariah Carey - Always Be My Baby (1996)
2008-03-22 11:02 < shimgray> Logistics do, but that's another matter ;-)
2008-03-22 11:02 < mavhc> never see them in google anymore though
2008-03-22 11:03 < ShakespeareFan00> And are aware of the issues with images :)
2008-03-22 11:03 < ShakespeareFan00> Because some of the images aren't under GFDL
2008-03-22 11:03 < ShakespeareFan00> simgray 13.GB ?
2008-03-22 11:03 < ShakespeareFan00> For an encylopedia?
2008-03-22 11:03 < emma> The GFDL does not prohibit commercial use of the content on Wikipedia?
2008-03-22 11:04 < ShakespeareFan00> The GFDL does not prevent commerical use provided the terms of the license is adhered to
2008-03-22 11:04 < ShakespeareFan00> Same reason you can buy GPL software :)
2008-03-22 11:04 < emma> RIght.
2008-03-22 11:04 < emma> This is not a challenge to any of you guys by the way. I have neither the technical skill or the motivation or the desire to fork Wikipedia :) I'm just asking out of curiosity.
2008-03-22 11:05 < emma> I am sort of surprised that there has never been a serious fork of Wikipedia though.
2008-03-22 11:05 < ShakespeareFan00> Veropedia
2008-03-22 11:05 < ShakespeareFan00> Conservpedia
2008-03-22 11:05 < shimgray> ShakespeareFan00: neither of those are forks
2008-03-22 11:05 < ShakespeareFan00> Citizendum
2008-03-22 11:05 < emma> As an outsider there do seem to be issues and internal tensions in Wikipedia, I could be wrong about that though. Just how it seems from the outside.
2008-03-22 11:05 < shimgray> ...and neither is that
2008-03-22 11:05 < ShakespeareFan00> emma: Any large project has internal politics
2008-03-22 11:06 < shimgray> anyhow, time to brave the howling Easter gale.
2008-03-22 11:06 < ShakespeareFan00> at leats on wiki the rows tend to be in the open ;)
2008-03-22 11:06 < emma> ShakespeareFan00, yes I believe that's true.
2008-03-22 11:06 < shimgray> later, all
2008-03-22 11:07 < emma> Did you all hear Jason Calcanis on TWiT? He was really slagging Jimmy Wales. I never knew there were such issues or that Jimmy Wales was not the only founder of Wikipedia until I heard that show.
2008-03-22 11:07 < NotACow> http://www.theonion.com/content/news/black_guy_asks_nation_for_change
2008-03-22 11:07 < NotACow> emma: jimmy's a fucking liar. but really, everyone already knew that.
2008-03-22 11:07 < ShakespeareFan00> emma: Some people just don't get Wikipedia
2008-03-22 11:07 < ShakespeareFan00> And some people have issues with the whole concept
2008-03-22 11:07 < NotACow> CHICAGO—According to witnesses, a loud black man approached a crowd of some 4,000 strangers in downtown Chicago Tuesday and made repeated demands for change.
2008-03-22 11:08 < ShakespeareFan00> NotACow: What proof have you for that?
2008-03-22 11:08 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: his repeated lies?
2008-03-22 11:08 < ShakespeareFan00> Concering your claims about J wales?
2008-03-22 11:08 < ShakespeareFan00> NotACow: Evidence?
2008-03-22 11:09 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: just about everything he's ever said?
2008-03-22 11:09 < ShakespeareFan00> That's not evidence
2008-03-22 11:09 < ShakespeareFan00> That's opinion
2008-03-22 11:09 < NotACow> shrug
2008-03-22 11:09 < NotACow> you won't believe me anyway
2008-03-22 11:09 < NotACow> you're too addicted to the kool-aid
2008-03-22 11:09 < ShakespeareFan00> I don't drink Kool-aid :)
2008-03-22 11:10 < NotACow> yes, you would say that :)
2008-03-22 11:10 < emma> Well if there were two people who were the founders of Wikipedia then why does an average user like me only know one of their names? That seems unfair at some level. A real injustice.
2008-03-22 11:10 < NotACow> emma: because jimmy doesn't like larry, and wants to diminish his role
2008-03-22 11:10 < ShakespeareFan00> emma: How remebers Paul Allen in connection with Microsoft?
2008-03-22 11:10 < NotACow> emma: he still fails to mention the role played by all the investors in bomis
2008-03-22 11:10 < ShakespeareFan00> *Who
2008-03-22 11:10 < NotACow> the people who put money into bomis in the hopes it would some day make money, and yet never did.
2008-03-22 11:10 < Lycurgus> I bet the Jonestown sense survives Kool-Aid itself.
2008-03-22 11:11 < emma> ShakespeareFan00, easier to live with because Paul Allen is a very wealthy man who has certainly gotten his reward however he wanted it.
2008-03-22 11:11 < ShakespeareFan00> LOL
2008-03-22 11:11 < emma> Are you laughing at my wild assertion that Paul Allen is a very wealthy man?
2008-03-22 11:12 < bumm13> heh
2008-03-22 11:12 < ShakespeareFan00> When it's proven that MS ripped off other people wholesale - there will be an economic recesiion in the US
2008-03-22 11:12 < bumm13> he owns our local NFL team, if that matters at all ;)
2008-03-22 11:12 < emma> There is already an economic recession in the US and it hardly hinges upon MS.
2008-03-22 11:12 < bumm13> indeed
2008-03-22 11:12 < ShakespeareFan00> Now I mean a BIG one
2008-03-22 11:12 < NotACow> paul allen was not a bomis investor, as far as i know
2008-03-22 11:12 < NotACow> good thing, too, he would have lost all his money
2008-03-22 11:13 < NotACow> jimmy's never had a business venture that made money
2008-03-22 11:15 < ShakespeareFan00> So if Bomis didn't make money what funded Wikipedia?
2008-03-22 11:15 < Messedrocker> venture capital?
2008-03-22 11:16 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: venture capital invested by bomis investors
2008-03-22 11:16 < ShakespeareFan00> OK
2008-03-22 11:16 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: i wonder if jimmy got shareholder approval to dispose of those assets by transferring them to the Wikimedia Foundation.....
2008-03-22 11:16 < ShakespeareFan00> So you allege it was 'diverted' fubnds?
2008-03-22 11:17 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: it's an unanswered question. i don't know who the bomis investors were (except for one of them)
2008-03-22 11:17 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: and jimmy is remarkably silent about such matters.
2008-03-22 11:19 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: jimmy has clearly evidenced a "what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine" attitude when it comes to valuable property, though, so i rather doubt he obtained shareholder approval.
2008-03-22 11:19 < ShakespeareFan00> Any adims in? PM please?
2008-03-22 11:19 < snowolf> ShakespeareFan00: what's up?
2008-03-22 11:37 < White_Cat> All I have is my Pokemon
2008-03-22 11:38 < NotACow> ARE YOU LOOSELY COUPLED?
2008-03-22 11:38 * White_Cat electricutes NotASpy with pika power
2008-03-22 11:38 * Messedrocker holds White_Cat
2008-03-22 11:38 * NotASpy is wearing rubber souled shoes and is immune to electrocution
2008-03-22 11:39 < NotACow> souled?
2008-03-22 11:39 < NotACow> dealing with the devil again?
2008-03-22 11:39 < NotASpy> no, you're right, I have no soul.
2008-03-22 11:41 < NotACow> ARE YOU OPTOISOLATED?
2008-03-22 11:41 < Marlith> No you are dealing with me
2008-03-22 11:41 < NotASpy> is that the same as being blind ?
2008-03-22 11:42 < NotASpy> am I ?
2008-03-22 11:42 < NotACow> PIERCE THE QUARTZ
2008-03-22 11:43 < NotASpy> nowt to do with Pierce Brosnan, I assume
2008-03-22 11:43 < NotACow> NotASpy: no, it has to do with how pierce oscillators work
2008-03-22 11:44 < NotASpy> this is something to do with that new fangled wireless thing that chap Marconi is always talking about, I presume
2008-03-22 11:44 < NotACow> NotASpy: could be
2008-03-22 11:45 < NotACow> DIVIDE THE COLPITTS
2008-03-22 11:48 < Loddar92> is a german admin on?
2008-03-22 11:48 < quanticle|away> NotACow: What's a colpitt?
2008-03-22 11:49 < The359> Nein
2008-03-22 11:49 < Loddar92> :D
2008-03-22 11:49 < NotACow> quanticle|away: a type of oscillator
2008-03-22 11:49 < Loddar92> The359: ironie?
2008-03-22 11:49 < The359> what?
2008-03-22 11:50 < NotACow> woodie
2008-03-22 11:50 < Loddar92> okay
2008-03-22 11:50 < Loddar92> I thought it was a joke
2008-03-22 11:50 < Loddar92> :D
2008-03-22 11:50 < The359> it was
2008-03-22 11:50 < Loddar92> okay
2008-03-22 11:58 < blackhole89> Hello. Is there any administrator around?
2008-03-22 11:58 < MelSteve_Sleep> blackhole89: !_admin
2008-03-22 11:58 < blackhole89> !_admin
2008-03-22 11:58 < MelSteve_Sleep> no _
2008-03-22 11:58 < blackhole89> ah
2008-03-22 11:58 < blackhole89> !admin
2008-03-22 11:58 < blackhole89> (nothing happened)
2008-03-22 11:58 < J_Milburn> Yes?
2008-03-22 11:59 < MelSteve_Sleep> heh
2008-03-22 11:59 < snowolf> blackhole89: it would be nice if you state your problem rather than ping without anything attacched to
2008-03-22 11:59 < snowolf> different admins work in different areas
2008-03-22 11:59 < blackhole89> Ah, sorry. Either way, I think my account might have been taken over
2008-03-22 11:59 < J_Milburn> Yeah, in future, type ! admin [problem]
2008-03-22 11:59 < blackhole89> due to a carelessness on my behalf
2008-03-22 11:59 < snowolf> J_Milburn: you catch it?
2008-03-22 11:59 < J_Milburn> Oh dear
2008-03-22 11:59 * snowolf busy
2008-03-22 11:59 < J_Milburn> Yeah, I'll look into it
2008-03-22 11:59 < snowolf> thx
2008-03-22 11:59 < geniice> 1 day left to go guys
2008-03-22 12:00 < MelSteve_Sleep> until
2008-03-22 12:00 * snowolf goes back to shout in RFARBs
2008-03-22 12:00 < J_Milburn> Ok, blackhole89, please explain the problem?
2008-03-22 12:00 < lar> geniice: till?
2008-03-22 12:00 < J_Milburn> In fact, PM
2008-03-22 12:00 < geniice> lar projects have to have an EDP in place if they want to use unfree stuff
2008-03-22 12:00 < blackhole89> The carelessness in question could be summed up as "I registered somewhere in good faith but it turned out that they did not only not hash the passwords but also decided to make plain-text printouts and hand them around in plain sight"
2008-03-22 12:00 < lar> oh, yes.
2008-03-22 12:01 < lar> wow it's that close now. I had lost track
2008-03-22 12:01 < blackhole89> basically, I was logged out on every machine I was previously logged in on and can't log back in
2008-03-22 12:01 < blackhole89> and I get no mails from attempting to get a new password mailed
2008-03-22 12:01 < J_Milburn> Hmmm
2008-03-22 12:01 < J_Milburn> Has your account edited since you last had it?
2008-03-22 12:01 < blackhole89> No, apparently not.
2008-03-22 12:02 < geniice> oh and what do people think the copyright status of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Frank_Shorter_at_Boston_2002.JPG is?
2008-03-22 12:02 < J_Milburn> blackhole89: Have you any way of proving that the account is yours? What is the account name?
2008-03-22 12:02 < blackhole89> Blackhole89, due to forced initial letter capitalizations
2008-03-22 12:02 < blackhole89> capitalization*
2008-03-22 12:03 < blackhole89> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Blackhole89
2008-03-22 12:03 < blackhole89> The best I could come up with is proving the content of the userboxes one-by-one
2008-03-22 12:03 < blackhole89> >_>
2008-03-22 12:19 < lar> geniice: That's a bit perplexing to me... presumably the person who took the photo holds the copyright, but the subject themselves uploaded it, so it is claimed
2008-03-22 12:20 < lar> the person who took it is unidentified and it was done at teh direct request of Frank Shorter the subject?
2008-03-22 12:20 < lar> is that how you read the info given there...
2008-03-22 12:21 < mavhc> they were hired to take the photo, for $0?
2008-03-22 12:21 < lar> if you wanted to be all legalistic about it, the unidentified person who took it has to identify themselves and then assert the rights that apply
2008-03-22 12:22 < mavhc> they have no rights
2008-03-22 12:22 < lar> but I'd tend to let it slide... it's a lot like taking a picture on a timer, isn't it? (this is assuming you buy that the uploader IS frank shorter...)
2008-03-22 12:22 < mavhc> they were hired to take the photo
2008-03-22 12:22 < lar> you can't hire someone for $0
2008-03-22 12:22 < mavhc> why not?
2008-03-22 12:22 < lar> to be a valid contract, even implicit, there has to be an exchange of value, it can't be one way...
2008-03-22 12:22 < mavhc> define value
2008-03-22 12:23 < lar> you can hire someone for one cent, or one peanut, or "you take mine and I'll take yours"
2008-03-22 12:23 < lar> at least in the US that's basic contract law.