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2008-03-22 02:30 < Alkivar> at least the kid got a lifetime supply of skittles out of it
2008-03-22 02:30 < The359> If it was, school lunch would be mandatory
2008-03-22 02:30 < The359> and it isn't
2008-03-22 02:30 < scorchsaber> The359: They are responsible for what they do at school.
2008-03-22 02:30 < Rinn|Dead> I got candy banned from my school when I was a kid for buying bags of it and selling it individually at marked-up prices.
2008-03-22 02:30 < scorchsaber> The359: They could make it be if they wanted to.
2008-03-22 02:30 < The359> No for food, scorchsaber
2008-03-22 02:30 < beepboop77> ugh too many skittles
2008-03-22 02:30 < The359> No they couldn't
2008-03-22 02:30 < The359> They could make attending lunch period mandatory
2008-03-22 02:30 < scorchsaber> The359: Parents are responsible for what their children eat.
2008-03-22 02:30 < scorchsaber> The359: Yes, they could.
2008-03-22 02:30 < The359> But there's no way in fuck they'd require children to buy their lunch
2008-03-22 02:31 < Messedrocker> i don't even eat lunch
2008-03-22 02:31 < Rinn|Dead> They could easily do that.
2008-03-22 02:31 < Messedrocker> i use my lunch period as my study hall
2008-03-22 02:31 < scorchsaber> The359: Sure they could.
2008-03-22 02:31 < Rinn|Dead> It's just a matter if the parents will raise a fuss over it.
2008-03-22 02:31 < The359> they can't
2008-03-22 02:31 < scorchsaber> The359: Perhaps not a public school (legally), but a private school, easily.
2008-03-22 02:31 < Messedrocker> free south park http://www.southparkstudios.com/guide/index.php?season=1
2008-03-22 02:31 < scorchsaber> (Private in the Canadian/American sense)
2008-03-22 02:31 < The359> well public schools are shit anyway
2008-03-22 02:31 < The359> erm
2008-03-22 02:31 < The359> Private schools, I meant
2008-03-22 02:31 < The359> Public schools can't require it
2008-03-22 02:32 < scorchsaber> The359: Probably not, but I've never been to a public school that made you pay for lunch anyway.
2008-03-22 02:32 < The359> What public school doesn't require them to pay for their school meal?
2008-03-22 02:32 < scorchsaber> The359: Obviously every one that I've been to.
2008-03-22 02:32 < Rinn|Dead> Now I wan't some Skittles.
2008-03-22 02:32 < The359> Unless they pay for it as part of tuition
2008-03-22 02:32 < Messedrocker> i don't like skittles
2008-03-22 02:32 < Rinn|Dead> ...want*
2008-03-22 02:32 < Messedrocker> they're too much effort to chew
2008-03-22 02:33 < The359> You paid some way, scorchsaber
2008-03-22 02:33 < Messedrocker> leaving your teeth all gnawey in the end
2008-03-22 02:33 < scorchsaber> The359: There is no tuition in public schools. :x
2008-03-22 02:33 < Rinn|Dead> I shouldn't type when sick.
2008-03-22 02:33 < The359> You may not have paid in the cafeteria
2008-03-22 02:33 < scorchsaber> The359: Yes, taxes.
2008-03-22 02:33 < Messedrocker> i'd rather have some M&Ms
2008-03-22 02:33 < The359> but you still paid for it
2008-03-22 02:33 < scorchsaber> The359: But whether I paid in taxes or not is irrelevant.
2008-03-22 02:33 < Messedrocker> you pay with property taxes
2008-03-22 02:33 < Rinn|Dead> I like sweet candy better than chocolate.
2008-03-22 02:33 < The359> yes it is relevant
2008-03-22 02:33 < Alkivar> anyone who thinks public school is free hasnt looked at a tax bill yet
2008-03-22 02:33 < AdamBishop> we didn't have a cafeteria in elementary school
2008-03-22 02:34 < AdamBishop> but we did have Pizza Day!
2008-03-22 02:34 < The359> every school I went to you had to pay for lunch in the cafeteria
2008-03-22 02:34 < beepboop77> moral: bring a sack lunch?
2008-03-22 02:34 < AdamBishop> and Hot Dog Day!
2008-03-22 02:34 < The359> either in cash or with your ID card
2008-03-22 02:34 < scorchsaber> The359: Not at all. We are talking about being forced to pay for food. if you can choose to eat food, but you'd pay for it in taxes whether you did or not, the idea of being "Forced to eat" is pretty much irrelevant in the context, because you'd pay anyway.
2008-03-22 02:35 < The359> as I recall in High School, you either paid for lunch or didn't
2008-03-22 02:35 < scorchsaber> The359: The only reason you wouldn't be able to be forced to eat would be because you'd have to pay. Once that's gone, whether in taxes or something else, it doesn't matter anymore, and you could be forced to eat.
2008-03-22 02:35 < The359> If you didn't pay, you didn't get cafeteria food
2008-03-22 02:35 < The359> So you had to bring your own
2008-03-22 02:35 < scorchsaber> The359: That was your high school.
2008-03-22 02:35 < The359> and...?
2008-03-22 02:36 < The359> Or is my high school not relevant?
2008-03-22 02:36 < scorchsaber> The359: You were talking about high school in general by bringing up your own high school.
2008-03-22 02:36 < beepboop77> nothing was free in m4 caf either
2008-03-22 02:36 < chrisgrant> Canteen line is massive at my school
2008-03-22 02:36 < scorchsaber> The359: You high school is not all high schools, and so it really isn't relevant for the issue of high schools in general, no.
2008-03-22 02:36 < The359> yes, it is
2008-03-22 02:37 < The359> Unless you're saying my high school is the only exception
2008-03-22 02:37 < scorchsaber> The359: No, I'm saying that your high school is not the rule.
2008-03-22 02:37 < The359> And neither is yours
2008-03-22 02:37 < The359> So what is your point?
2008-03-22 02:37 < scorchsaber> The359: Obviously not.
2008-03-22 02:37 < beepboop77> You guys got free food in hs ?
2008-03-22 02:37 < The359> no
2008-03-22 02:37 < scorchsaber> The359: My point is that not all high schools charge for food
2008-03-22 02:37 < The359> but we weren't forced to pay for it if we didn't want to eat cafeteria food, beepboop
2008-03-22 02:38 < The359> they charge in some form, scorchsaber
2008-03-22 02:38 < beepboop77> i would have eaten a lot more
2008-03-22 02:38 < scorchsaber> The359: I never denied that.
2008-03-22 02:38 < scorchsaber> "There is no such thing as a free lunch"
2008-03-22 02:38 < The359> then your point is the obvious?
2008-03-22 02:38 < scorchsaber> But I'm talking about a "free" lunch
2008-03-22 02:38 < scorchsaber> The359: Your point was the blatantly false
2008-03-22 02:38 < Ningyou> I got "free" food whole my life in school <3
2008-03-22 02:38 < The359> who the hell is discussing free lunches?
2008-03-22 02:38 < scorchsaber> The359: That is, you were at the least implying that all schools charged directly for food.
2008-03-22 02:38 < The359> I said a school cannot force students to only eat their lunches
2008-03-22 02:38 < The359> So schools cannot regulate what students eat
2008-03-22 02:38 < scorchsaber> The359: Dude, it's an economic principle
2008-03-22 02:38 < The359> Which is what I said from the beginning
2008-03-22 02:39 < scorchsaber> The359: Everything is paid for somehow
2008-03-22 02:39 < The359> You're not even on the same subject
2008-03-22 02:39 < scorchsaber> The359: Yes I am, you're not paying attention
2008-03-22 02:39 < The359> No, it's not
2008-03-22 02:39 < scorchsaber> The359: Let me explain
2008-03-22 02:39 < scorchsaber> "<The359> they charge in some form, scorchsaber"
2008-03-22 02:39 < The359> assuming they charge those that do not eat their lunches
2008-03-22 02:39 < scorchsaber> That means the same as TINSTAAFL
2008-03-22 02:39 < scorchsaber> THat is, that everything has to be paid for somewhere
2008-03-22 02:39 < The359> as you've already stated repeatedly, not all do
2008-03-22 02:40 < scorchsaber> The359: And you stated repeatedly that yours does, which you call relevant, and I don't.
2008-03-22 02:40 < The359> why are economics in this? No one brought up economics
2008-03-22 02:40 < scorchsaber> The359: You did.
2008-03-22 02:40 < scorchsaber> The359: Repeatedly.
2008-03-22 02:40 < beepboop77> i need a keyboard. you guys move too fast for pda graffiti
2008-03-22 02:40 < The359> No I fucking didn't
2008-03-22 02:40 < scorchsaber> "<The359> they charge in some form, scorchsaber"
2008-03-22 02:40 < beepboop77> thanks
2008-03-22 02:40 < scorchsaber> That's basic economics
2008-03-22 02:40 < The359> In answer to YOUR statement, genius
2008-03-22 02:40 < The359> try going back a few more lines
2008-03-22 02:40 < scorchsaber> The359: Yes, and mine wasn't related to general economic principles
2008-03-22 02:40 < The359> where we were discussing that a school CAN'T regulate what their students eat
2008-03-22 02:40 < The359> Because a school cannot require students to eat their food
2008-03-22 02:41 < scorchsaber> The359: Mine was related to the legal principles of whether a school can force you to pay for something
2008-03-22 02:41 < scorchsaber> The359: If the food is free, they can force you to eat it, as your acting guardian.
2008-03-22 02:41 < The359> no, they can't
2008-03-22 02:41 < scorchsaber> The359: They can, and have, in the US.
2008-03-22 02:41 < The359> Bullshit
2008-03-22 02:41 < scorchsaber> And certainly other places. :P
2008-03-22 02:41 < scorchsaber> The359: The schools down here do it.
2008-03-22 02:41 < The359> you show me a public school that requires students to eat cafeteria food
2008-03-22 02:41 < The359> and forbids students from bringing in their own meals
2008-03-22 02:41 < scorchsaber> Sure, St. Croix Central; High School
2008-03-22 02:42 < beepboop77> force you to eat? l dont see that happening
2008-03-22 02:42 < The359> It'd be impossible for a school to do it
2008-03-22 02:42 < scorchsaber> On the former count
2008-03-22 02:42 < The359> Simply because cafeteria food cannot meat every possible diet
2008-03-22 02:42 < The359> meet...
2008-03-22 02:42 < beepboop77> pun!
2008-03-22 02:42 < scorchsaber> Actually, maybe the latter, I dunno. I've never seen anybody bring food.
2008-03-22 02:42 < beepboop77> wtg
2008-03-22 02:42 < The359> especially those with strict diets
2008-03-22 02:42 < The359> OK, so wait
2008-03-22 02:42 < The359> You KNOW they force students to eat their food
2008-03-22 02:42 < The359> Or you just never saw anyone bring food in
2008-03-22 02:42 < scorchsaber> The359: I know they force students to eat, yes
2008-03-22 02:43 < Alkivar> just because you've never seen it doesnt mean they force students to eat cafeteria food
2008-03-22 02:43 < scorchsaber> The359: If you don't eat, you get sent home.
2008-03-22 02:43 < The359> bullshit
2008-03-22 02:43 < The359> Bull fucking shit
2008-03-22 02:43 < Alkivar> yeah i call serious bullshit on that one
2008-03-22 02:43 < The359> There's no public school that would allow that
2008-03-22 02:43 < Alkivar> they'd get sued if they tried that
2008-03-22 02:43 < beepboop77> they cant force anyone to eat. only prisons and hospitals can do that
2008-03-22 02:43 < scorchsaber> This one did, and I gave you the name of it.
2008-03-22 02:43 < Messedrocker> also in New Haven public schools, if you question the administration you get suspended for 30 days
2008-03-22 02:43 < scorchsaber> Yes they--crap
2008-03-22 02:43 < Alkivar> beepboop77: even prisons cant force someone to eat against their will in the US
2008-03-22 02:43 < scorchsaber> I've got to go
2008-03-22 02:43 < scorchsaber> look up the school, if you like
2008-03-22 02:43 < The359> Look up what?
2008-03-22 02:44 < beepboop77> are you sure?
2008-03-22 02:44 < The359> You think it's on their website or some shit?
2008-03-22 02:44 < Messedrocker> the sad thing is I am probably right
2008-03-22 02:44 < AdamBishop> my high school banned kids from wearing band shirts, just to get them to stop wearing Marilyn Manson and Korn shirts
2008-03-22 02:44 < Alkivar> beep court case validated the right of a prisoner to hunger strike in the us
2008-03-22 02:44 < AdamBishop> so I wore my Beatles shirt to school one day, because I am bad-ass like that
2008-03-22 02:44 < The359> I know of that, AdamBishop
2008-03-22 02:44 < The359> Where did you hear that they force kids to eat their food, scorchsaber
2008-03-22 02:44 < The359> What is your source
2008-03-22 02:45 < Alkivar> beepboop77: since you missed it
2008-03-22 02:45 < AdamBishop> my elementary school(s) did not have cafeterias, everyone brought food from home
2008-03-22 02:45 < Alkivar> beepboop77: court case validated the right of a prisoner to hunger strike in the us
2008-03-22 02:45 < beepboop77> prisons are obligated to keep you alive arent they?
2008-03-22 02:45 < The359> yes
2008-03-22 02:45 < beepboop77> thanks. my connections in and out
2008-03-22 02:45 < AdamBishop> in high school we had a shitty cafeteria, many people brought food from home, or went to buy fast food
2008-03-22 02:45 < The359> if you go on for long enough, I believe they'll have a medical intervention, beepboop77
2008-03-22 02:45 < Alkivar> yes but theres a difference between forcing you to eat and forcing you to eat when not to eat would put you at risk of death
2008-03-22 02:46 < The359> and even then, I'm not sure if they force them to eat
2008-03-22 02:46 < The359> but rather give them fluids and stuff
2008-03-22 02:46 < beepboop77> oh i mean like letting a prisoner commit suicide by not eating
2008-03-22 02:46 < The359> through IV
2008-03-22 02:46 < Alkivar> you can say no to breakfast 365 days a year in jail... but say no to all meals for 25 days and they'll probably strap you to a gurney and slap an iv in you
2008-03-22 02:46 < beepboop77> i think they decide a person who doesnt eat is insane and not fit to govern their own bodies
2008-03-22 02:47 < The359> no, they just can't let them commit suicide
2008-03-22 02:47 < Alkivar> i highly doubt they get declared insane
2008-03-22 02:47 < The359> since that's illegal
2008-03-22 02:47 < The359> (in most states)
2008-03-22 02:47 < beepboop77> not officially
2008-03-22 02:47 < beepboop77> but no prisons wants bodies turning up for sketchy reasons
2008-03-22 02:48 < The359> not really sketchy, it's not like everything in prison isn't documented and video taped
2008-03-22 02:48 < chrisgrant> Green Mile is an interesting book/movie
2008-03-22 02:48 < The359> People will know there's a hunger strike long before anyone dies
2008-03-22 02:48 < Alkivar> well time for horizontality... see y'all later
2008-03-22 02:48 < beepboop77> is that a tv show?
2008-03-22 02:48 < The359> and the prison medical staff will be made aware of it
2008-03-22 02:49 < beepboop77> The359, what were you and that other guy going at it about, how schools could force kids to eat?
2008-03-22 02:49 < ggreer> force feeding
2008-03-22 02:49 < ggreer> ftw
2008-03-22 02:49 < The359> they can't
2008-03-22 02:50 < The359> no way a school can tell a student that they can't bring lunch from home
2008-03-22 02:50 < beepboop77> i guess maybe boarding schools could
2008-03-22 02:50 < The359> even if the lunch is already "paid for" through taxes
2008-03-22 02:50 < ggreer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force-feeding
2008-03-22 02:50 < ggreer> hey look there's a wikipedia article about it
2008-03-22 02:50 < beepboop77> no way!
2008-03-22 02:50 < ggreer> what are the odds
2008-03-22 02:50 < beepboop77> wiki/The_Odds
2008-03-22 02:51 < AdamBishop> The Odds were a cool Canadian band
2008-03-22 02:51 < ggreer> I'm really liking that geowiki iphone app
2008-03-22 02:51 < ggreer> it's amazing. I just run it and it shows me cool places near me
2008-03-22 02:51 < The359> There's no cool places near you
2008-03-22 02:51 < beepboop77> yeah fuck that i wouldnt like to be told that the places i go arent cool
2008-03-22 02:52 < ggreer> The359: the bay area consists of nothing but cool places
2008-03-22 02:52 < Messedrocker> WELLL HIIIIIIIDEY HOOOOO
2008-03-22 02:52 < ggreer> for example, tonight I rode my bike up mt. hamilton
2008-03-22 02:52 < ggreer> and by bike I mean kawasaki ninja 250
2008-03-22 02:52 < beepboop77> so you wouldnt need an iphone app at all
2008-03-22 02:53 < ggreer> beepboop77: if I had friends I wouldn't need an iphone app
2008-03-22 02:53 < beepboop77> craigslist!
2008-03-22 02:53 < beepboop77> how big is cl in sf?
2008-03-22 02:53 < beepboop77> like huge
2008-03-22 02:53 < ggreer> it's fucking huge
2008-03-22 02:53 < ggreer> craig is also hilarious
2008-03-22 02:53 < beepboop77> sort of catching on in chicago
2008-03-22 02:54 < ggreer> he introduces himself as craig from craigslist
2008-03-22 02:54 < beepboop77> met him?
2008-03-22 02:54 < ggreer> and their "company headquarters" is this tiny place in SF
2008-03-22 02:54 < ggreer> technically yes, but there's no way he remembers a lowly software engineer like myself
2008-03-22 02:54 < beepboop77> dont they need server farms?
2008-03-22 02:54 < ggreer> yes, but those can be anywhere
2008-03-22 02:54 < NotACow> we've used craigslist here to buy stuff
2008-03-22 02:55 < NotACow> we bought our coffee table and one of the rugs in the living room off craigslist
2008-03-22 02:55 < ggreer> craigslist is pretty cool. I bought my car off it
2008-03-22 02:55 < NotACow> as well as gene siskel's winerack.
2008-03-22 02:55 < beepboop77> buying cars on ebay can get shady
2008-03-22 02:55 < ggreer> beepboop77: yeah, that's why I like craigslist. you meet them in person before you buy the stuff
2008-03-22 02:55 < AdamBishop> craigslist here is mostly used by losers trying to have one-night stands
2008-03-22 02:55 < beepboop77> too many people on ebay think they are a small business and it is their duty to screw people
2008-03-22 02:55 < AdamBishop> and they are mostly talking to bots
2008-03-22 02:55 < NotACow> ggreer: that's ow we got gene siskel's winerack
2008-03-22 02:56 < ggreer> hah
2008-03-22 02:56 < NotACow> ggreer: this woman advertised a rug for $40, so we drove up there
2008-03-22 02:56 < ggreer> NotACow: heck yea
2008-03-22 02:56 < NotACow> ggreer: we bought the rug, and also this winerack that she says was a gift from gene siskel (the movie critic)
2008-03-22 02:56 < NotACow> so now we have gene siskel's winerack.
2008-03-22 02:56 < beepboop77> hope its not haunted
2008-03-22 02:56 < AdamBishop> really, or is it like John Voight's car?
2008-03-22 02:56 < ggreer> the cool thing about SF is that everything is on craigslist. seriously, look for motorcycles in the bay area on craigslist, it's insane how many there are
2008-03-22 02:56 < beepboop77> giving you crap about owning starship troopers
2008-03-22 02:56 < NotACow> the coffee table was a total chance thing
2008-03-22 02:57 < ggreer> NotACow: wait, gene siskel from siskel and ebert?!
2008-03-22 02:57 < NotACow> ggreer: yup!
2008-03-22 02:57 < ggreer> holy crap
2008-03-22 02:57 < NotACow> ggreer: no shit. and we paid $40 for it :)
2008-03-22 02:57 < ggreer> that's awesome
2008-03-22 02:57 < NotACow> the coffee table apepars to have a mahogany base; the top is a 3/4 inch thick sheet of marble about 40 inches in diameter
2008-03-22 02:57 < NotACow> guess what we paid for it
2008-03-22 02:58 < ggreer> I don't know. stuff is either reasonably priced on insanely cheap on craigslist
2008-03-22 02:58 < beepboop77> 101.99!
2008-03-22 02:58 < ggreer> *or
2008-03-22 02:58 < ggreer> heh
2008-03-22 02:58 < NotACow> beepboop77: not even
2008-03-22 02:58 < NotACow> it's worth somewhere between $800 and $1200
2008-03-22 02:58 < NotACow> we paid $50
2008-03-22 02:58 < beepboop77> damn i promised my wife id make the showcase
2008-03-22 02:58 < NotACow> just the raw marble blank is $350 at the local stonecutters.
2008-03-22 02:59 < NotACow> and that's before it's been cut to size and polished
2008-03-22 02:59 < ggreer> beepboop77: doesn't matter. you won't get a kiss from bob barker nowadays
2008-03-22 02:59 < ggreer> (my mom got kissed by bob barker when she was in the price is right back in 1988)
2008-03-22 02:59 < beepboop77> yeah he can be a downright jerk on the show
2008-03-22 02:59 < beepboop77> oh hah!
2008-03-22 02:59 < beepboop77> nice
2008-03-22 02:59 < ggreer> beepboop77: drew carey took over the show
2008-03-22 02:59 < ggreer> bob barker retired
2008-03-22 03:00 < beepboop77> there was this woman who couldnt figure out how to operate the touchscreen or something and he just looked like hw wanted to strangle her
2008-03-22 03:00 < NotACow> i need to buy a buffing pad for my angle grinder and rebuff the top
2008-03-22 03:00 < beepboop77> he would have too
2008-03-22 03:00 * Werdna does some more testin'
2008-03-22 03:00 < ggreer> heh
2008-03-22 03:01 < NotACow> st. helens is pretty tonight
2008-03-22 03:01 < NotACow> http://www.fs.fed.us/gpnf/volcanocams/msh/views/static-highdef.php
2008-03-22 03:01 < beepboop77> ah about craigslist. i know this is totally gross but my and my friends had a bet to see how many replies we would get posting to sfbays craigslist peraonsls for a 18 year old seeking nsa sex
2008-03-22 03:02 < beepboop77> over 300 in a two day period
2008-03-22 03:02 < beepboop77> the high bidder was 180
2008-03-22 03:02 < ggreer> nsa sex?
2008-03-22 03:03 < beepboop77> no strings attached (everyone in that category is a bot)
2008-03-22 03:03 < beepboop77> and everyone knows that and yet they take a chance anyway
2008-03-22 03:03 < ggreer> NotACow: it's a full moon out, so stuff looks awesome at night
2008-03-22 03:03 < ggreer> I went to a vista point near mt. hamilton and there were some people just hanging out, smoking pot
2008-03-22 03:03 < ggreer> it was nice
2008-03-22 03:03 < ggreer> beepboop77: oh
2008-03-22 03:05 < beepboop77> who said they owned the kawa 250, was that you ggreer?
2008-03-22 03:05 < ggreer> yes
2008-03-22 03:05 < ggreer> me
2008-03-22 03:05 < ggreer> I bought it last month, as an early birthday present to myself
2008-03-22 03:05 < beepboop77> nice, thats a zippy little bike. like 85 mpg too isnt it
2008-03-22 03:05 < ggreer> it's pretty much the most awesome thing I've ever done
2008-03-22 03:05 < ggreer> yeah I get about 70mpg
2008-03-22 03:05 < beepboop77> excellent
2008-03-22 03:05 < ggreer> but I wring the shit out of the throttle
2008-03-22 03:06 < ggreer> in a month or two I think I'll start doing some track days
2008-03-22 03:06 < beepboop77> yeah right, but for a 250 its about the most power youll find
2008-03-22 03:06 < ggreer> yeah, the only 250 faster would be some crazy 2 stroke aprillia
2008-03-22 03:06 < ggreer> laguna seca is only a 2 hour drive away
2008-03-22 03:06 < beepboop77> i have a kawa klr 650
2008-03-22 03:06 < ggreer> wow
2008-03-22 03:06 < ggreer> I bet that is ridonkulous fast
2008-03-22 03:07 < beepboop77> oh hah no. its a dual sport
2008-03-22 03:07 < ggreer> oh, klr
2008-03-22 03:07 < beepboop77> off/road on/road
2008-03-22 03:07 < beepboop77> hybrid
2008-03-22 03:07 < ggreer> not ninka 650
2008-03-22 03:07 < ggreer> *ninja
2008-03-22 03:07 < ggreer> oh you crazy dual sport people
2008-03-22 03:07 < beepboop77> i wish i offroaded, but i just like to know i could if i needed to
2008-03-22 03:07 < ggreer> hehe
2008-03-22 03:08 < ggreer> that is one cool thing about a motorcycle: you can take it anywhere bicycles can go
2008-03-22 03:08 < ggreer> like, through a city park instead of going all the way around
2008-03-22 03:08 < beepboop77> yeah, although i think if i lived in sf i would just own a bicycle
2008-03-22 03:08 < beepboop77> chicagos a driving town
2008-03-22 03:08 < ggreer> beepboop77: uhh... you'd get massive quadriceps from riding a bike in sf
2008-03-22 03:09 < beepboop77> or bike. but motos are rarish
2008-03-22 03:09 < ggreer> the hills are not exactly small
2008-03-22 03:09 < beepboop77> yeah true. ever get air?
2008-03-22 03:09 * Lycurgus winces at the thought of biking in sf
2008-03-22 03:09 < ggreer> no, but I have had too many near-death experiences to count
2008-03-22 03:09 < ggreer> freaking cars never see me, and my bike loves to follow the rail lines
2008-03-22 03:09 < ggreer> a scooter or cruiser of some kind would be best in SF
2008-03-22 03:10 < ggreer> you can park a nice-looking cruiser on the sidewalk and nobody's going to give you a ticket
2008-03-22 03:10 < beepboop77> i rode through sf once, and tey just throw stopsigns at you from out of nowhere while youre going down those hug =e hills
2008-03-22 03:10 < ggreer> heh, yeah
2008-03-22 03:10 < beepboop77> i like scooters
2008-03-22 03:10 < ggreer> I almost high-sided because of one of those damn stop signs
2008-03-22 03:10 < beepboop77> wish i lived in the city and didnt look stupid riding them
2008-03-22 03:10 < ggreer> I locked the rear brake and then instinctively let go of it
2008-03-22 03:10 < beepboop77> yeah right
2008-03-22 03:11 < ggreer> nice one, self!
2008-03-22 03:11 < beepboop77> i need abs
2008-03-22 03:11 < beepboop77> badly
2008-03-22 03:11 < beepboop77> i still brake like im in a car
2008-03-22 03:11 < Lycurgus> what will you do with them?
2008-03-22 03:11 < ggreer> also tonight I ran my bike off the road by fixating on a pile of gravel
2008-03-22 03:11 < ggreer> :/
2008-03-22 03:11 < beepboop77> hah ouch
2008-03-22 03:11 < ggreer> I locked the front as soon as I got in the gravel :(
2008-03-22 03:11 < beepboop77> everyone/thing alright?
2008-03-22 03:11 < ggreer> yeah
2008-03-22 03:12 < ggreer> if not for my boots I would have twisted my ankle
2008-03-22 03:12 < ggreer> but I didn't drop the bike
2008-03-22 03:12 < Lycurgus> aight
2008-03-22 03:12 < beepboop77> yeah i got a nasty sprain riding the 101 from la to sf
2008-03-22 03:12 < beepboop77> did the same thing you did i imagine
2008-03-22 03:12 < beepboop77> locked. ran off road. bike fell on me
2008-03-22 03:12 < ggreer> yeah, I could have made the turn if I hadn't locked my gaze on the gravel
2008-03-22 03:13 < ggreer> ouch
2008-03-22 03:13 < beepboop77> yeah. im not entirely used to riding motorcycles. like i feel if i was riding a 1200cc harley it would be like driving a train
2008-03-22 03:13 < beepboop77> im too used to scooters
2008-03-22 03:13 < ggreer> heh
2008-03-22 03:13 < ggreer> I'm still not used to how far you can lean bikes
2008-03-22 03:13 < beepboop77> easy go/easy stop
2008-03-22 03:14 < ggreer> they can drag parts before losing grip. it's insane
2008-03-22 03:14 < beepboop77> yeah i did all that in the msf course but screw wiping out
2008-03-22 03:14 < beepboop77> im a low risk rider
2008-03-22 03:14 < ggreer> one of my friends keeps joshing me to take off my center stand because he said it would get in the way
2008-03-22 03:14 < ggreer> yeah freaking right, I'm not going to ride at 100% on public roads
2008-03-22 03:15 < beepboop77> oh it comes with a centerstand?
2008-03-22 03:15 < beepboop77> those are nice
2008-03-22 03:15 < ggreer> yes, all ninja 250s have center stands
2008-03-22 03:15 < ggreer> it makes checking the oil super-easy
2008-03-22 03:15 < ggreer> also I've got almost 2k miles on the thing, so I guess changing/balancing tires is coming up too
2008-03-22 03:15 < beepboop77> good for hilly terrain where only one angle will keep your bike from falling
2008-03-22 03:15 < beepboop77> yeah the more maintenence the better
2008-03-22 03:16 < ggreer> man, that's one thing they didn't teach in the MSF course
2008-03-22 03:16 < ggreer> planning where you park
2008-03-22 03:17 < beepboop77> yeah, moving up from a scooter i think i can park everywhere but the klr is not exactly a 150lb yamaha
2008-03-22 03:17 < ggreer> hahaha
2008-03-22 03:17 < beepboop77> big bike
2008-03-22 03:17 < ggreer> yeah, I made that mistake once
2008-03-22 03:17 < ggreer> never again
2008-03-22 03:17 < ggreer> the worst part was that I did it in front of a bunch of BARFers
2008-03-22 03:17 < ggreer> and they all had these funny looks on their faces
2008-03-22 03:17 < beepboop77> BARF=BART?
2008-03-22 03:18 < ggreer> like "how the hell are you going to get that bike off that hill?"
2008-03-22 03:18 < ggreer> BARF = bay area riders forum
2008-03-22 03:18 < beepboop77> ah
2008-03-22 03:18 < ggreer> an online forum for bikers in the bay area
2008-03-22 03:18 < beepboop77> hah sf gets some good acronyms going
2008-03-22 03:18 < ggreer> yeah
2008-03-22 03:18 < beepboop77> the worst parking mishap ive had
2008-03-22 03:19 < beepboop77> was a very hot day, and fresh asphalt had been put down semi recently
2008-03-22 03:19 < ggreer> I guess in a year or two I'll move up to an SV650 or something similar, and then another year or two before I get myself a CBR600RR or something insane
2008-03-22 03:19 < ggreer> did it sink in and fall?
2008-03-22 03:19 < beepboop77> i come back from the restaurant, and the kickstand is suck six inches into the street
2008-03-22 03:19 < beepboop77> hah yep
2008-03-22 03:19 < ggreer> damn, that sucks
2008-03-22 03:20 < beepboop77> ninja is a great bike to start on
2008-03-22 03:20 < ggreer> yeah, that's what everyone has said
2008-03-22 03:20 < beepboop77> great bike period
2008-03-22 03:20 < ggreer> one guy was like "nah you're good enough for a sv650"
2008-03-22 03:20 < ggreer> but I went with the ninja 250 and it's amazing
2008-03-22 03:20 < beepboop77> if youre not highway touring for 1000 miles, you cant do better than a ninja
2008-03-22 03:21 < ggreer> heh, about that... I might go on a bit of a road trip with the thing
2008-03-22 03:21 < beepboop77> ever taken one?
2008-03-22 03:21 < beepboop77> moto trip, i mean
2008-03-22 03:21 < ggreer> yeah, I went to hearst castle last week-end
2008-03-22 03:21 < ggreer> that's like 400 miles round trip
2008-03-22 03:21 < ggreer> I did it in a day
2008-03-22 03:21 < beepboop77> oh theyre awesome
2008-03-22 03:21 < beepboop77> nice
2008-03-22 03:21 < ggreer> the best part was when a saw a sign on highway 1 that said "twisty roads, next 76 miles"
2008-03-22 03:21 < beepboop77> i can ride so much farther on the klr than i could in a car
2008-03-22 03:21 < ggreer> best sign EVER
2008-03-22 03:21 < beepboop77> hah
2008-03-22 03:22 < ggreer> it did not like. it was amazing
2008-03-22 03:22 < ggreer> *lie
2008-03-22 03:22 < beepboop77> did 8000 miles in three weeks last summer
2008-03-22 03:22 < ggreer> wow!
2008-03-22 03:22 < beepboop77> practically the whole country hah
2008-03-22 03:22 < beepboop77> california was my favorite state, not surprisingly
2008-03-22 03:23 < ggreer> yeah, cali is pretty cool
2008-03-22 03:23 < ggreer> except for all the taxes
2008-03-22 03:23 < ggreer> and other silly laws
2008-03-22 03:23 < ggreer> lane splitting makes up for it though
2008-03-22 03:23 < beepboop77> hah i liked the moto laws
2008-03-22 03:23 < beepboop77> but i was too afraid to try it
2008-03-22 03:23 < beepboop77> not on the 405 in rush hour anyway
2008-03-22 03:23 < ggreer> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/148/342601696_60c79b76ca.jpg
2008-03-22 03:23 < ggreer> ^^ ah, that's the sign
2008-03-22 03:23 < ggreer> 74 miles
2008-03-22 03:23 < beepboop77> or with saddlebags sticking a foot and a half out on each side
2008-03-22 03:24 < beepboop77> ah im on a palm pilot, no links
2008-03-22 03:24 < ggreer> oh
2008-03-22 03:24 < beepboop77> you should find some hardcore friends and ride up to alaska some time
2008-03-22 03:24 < beepboop77> ignore what they say, the ninja can do it
2008-03-22 03:25 < beepboop77> just throw some hybrid tires on it
2008-03-22 03:26 < beepboop77> beautiful ride. and youre guaranteed to do it in pretty short time, because hotels are pretty long rides from eachother
2008-03-22 03:26 < ggreer> heh
2008-03-22 03:27 < beepboop77> hey is there a card you can buy to get the toll on the golden gate bridge waived
2008-03-22 03:27 < beepboop77> god i must have paid that toll six times
2008-03-22 03:27 < ggreer> hah
2008-03-22 03:28 < ggreer> I've actually never gone across the golden gate bridge. I stopped at the fort on the south end
2008-03-22 03:29 < beepboop77> oh hah, yeah im sure people find a way around it, tolls like six dollars or something
2008-03-22 03:29 < ggreer> jeez
2008-03-22 03:29 < beepboop77> just one way though
2008-03-22 03:29 < beepboop77> cant remember which way
2008-03-22 03:30 < beepboop77> my batteries on the way out, good talkin with you, seeyou around
2008-03-22 03:41 < Werdna> All of those interested in participating in a trial of the revamped Werdnabot are invited to add {{Werdnabot|type=size}} (for numbered 256kb archives), or {{Werdnabot|type=time}} (for monthly archives) to their user talk page.
2008-03-22 04:41 < h742jrjfsa> oops
2008-03-22 04:41 < h742jrjfsa> disconnected
2008-03-22 04:41 < h742jrjfsa> anyway
2008-03-22 04:41 < h742jrjfsa> i have a question
2008-03-22 04:41 < h742jrjfsa> what are the policies concerning logs
2008-03-22 04:42 < h742jrjfsa> what will happen is i were to post logs from this irc on a public website
2008-03-22 04:42 < h742jrjfsa> *if
2008-03-22 04:44 < Kamping_Kaiser> its typically considered rude
2008-03-22 04:46 < Soms> h742jrjfsa: The IRC gods will come into your room after you goto sleep and pour sand over your face.
2008-03-22 04:47 < Soms> Followed by dragging you to the whipping post at the [[Village Pump]] where you'll be whipped over and over with a 15m SCSI cable.
2008-03-22 04:47 < Soms> Followed by my banning you here.
2008-03-22 04:47 < bctrainers> kinky :x
2008-03-22 04:47 < Soms> Any further questions?
2008-03-22 04:47 < bctrainers> (whipping part that is)
2008-03-22 04:47 < Soms> Would you like to demonstrate bctrainers?
2008-03-22 04:48 < bctrainers> No, I'll pass.
2008-03-22 04:49 < Soms> I'm going to bed.
2008-03-22 04:49 < Soms> g'night
2008-03-22 04:50 < Kamping_Kaiser> later mate
2008-03-22 04:50 < Werdna> Soms: damn you.
2008-03-22 04:51 < Werdna> I wanted to recruit you as a werdnabot victim
2008-03-22 04:51 < Soms> damn me?
2008-03-22 04:51 < h742jrjfsa> well i already posted logs on my website of Cyrius banning me from IRC for asking questions about Jimbo Wales dealings with Gary Weiss
2008-03-22 04:51 < Soms> h742jrjfsa: Would you remove them?
2008-03-22 04:51 < h742jrjfsa> nope
2008-03-22 04:51 < Werdna> h742jrjfsa: whatever.
2008-03-22 04:51 < Soms> Werdna: I'd be happy to assist quickly.
2008-03-22 04:51 * Werdna shows people [[uncyclopedia:Nobody cares]]
2008-03-22 04:51 < Soms> h742jrjfsa: I suggest you get his permission.
2008-03-22 04:52 < h742jrjfsa> what is he going to do, sue me?
2008-03-22 04:52 < Werdna> Soms: how do you maintain your archives?
2008-03-22 04:52 < Soms> Well I dont.
2008-03-22 04:52 < Soms> I'd like to do it every month though.
2008-03-22 04:52 < Werdna> ah
2008-03-22 04:52 < Werdna> okay then
2008-03-22 04:52 < Werdna> {{Werdnabot|type=time}}
2008-03-22 04:52 < h742jrjfsa> http://zewb.ath.cx/articles/wikipedia.htm
2008-03-22 04:52 < Werdna> put that at the top of your userpage
2008-03-22 04:53 < Soms> Werdna: replace time with 30d?
2008-03-22 04:53 < Werdna> Soms: no.
2008-03-22 04:54 < hfa732rv> what was that for?
2008-03-22 04:54 < Mike_H> Werdna: #wiktionary
2008-03-22 04:54 < Mike_H> thank you
2008-03-22 04:54 < Werdna> hfa732rv: Nobody could care less about your logs.
2008-03-22 04:55 < Soms> Werdna: Explain.
2008-03-22 04:55 < Soms> I'm a tad out of it.
2008-03-22 04:56 < Werdna> Soms: it's automatically set up to do it by month, archiving conversations 7 days or older.
2008-03-22 04:56 < Soms> alright then
2008-03-22 04:57 < Werdna> you can tweak it, but I figured that was the most common setup, so it's the default
2008-03-22 04:58 < Soms> Done
2008-03-22 05:02 * Mike_H NP: Bananarama - Cruel Summer (1984)
2008-03-22 05:05 < Soms> Werdna: Need me for anything else?
2008-03-22 05:05 < Werdna> Soms: nope
2008-03-22 05:05 < Soms> Good
2008-03-22 05:05 < Soms> I'm just going to bed.
2008-03-22 05:07 < snowolf> 'night Soms
2008-03-22 05:07 < Soms> 'night
2008-03-22 05:09 < Mike_H> BEIJING - The flagship newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party called Saturday for efforts to "resolutely crush" anti-government demonstrations by Tibetans, while Beijing urged people to turn in those on a "Most Wanted" list of 21 protesters.
2008-03-22 05:09 < Mike_H> Wow, those bitches really want an Olympic boycott, don't they?
2008-03-22 05:09 < Mike_H> that's absolute class.
2008-03-22 05:09 < stelt> there's a bot automatically reverting any changes coming from certain IPs ?
2008-03-22 05:10 < Soms> s/bitches/democrat politicians
2008-03-22 05:10 < Mike_H> Soms: I watch Flavor of Love.
2008-03-22 05:10 < Mike_H> "Bitches" can describe anyone.
2008-03-22 05:10 < Soms> I didnt say it couldnt.
2008-03-22 05:10 < Soms> I was substituting bitches for the above.
2008-03-22 05:11 < Mike_H> Soms: In this case, bitches actually means "China"
2008-03-22 05:11 < Mike_H> China seems intent on doing what they want regardless of the fucked-up consequences.
2008-03-22 05:11 < Soms> That works then.
2008-03-22 05:13 < stelt> The bot change on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scalable_Vector_Graphics&action=history seems to revert a good change IMHO. If not i'd like to know why
2008-03-22 05:14 < Luna-San> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:XLinkBot/FAQ
2008-03-22 05:15 < dungodung> omg, santin
2008-03-22 05:16 * Luna-San is bizzeh. >.>;
2008-03-22 05:18 < J_Milburn> stelt: The addition does look pretty spammy
2008-03-22 05:19 < J_Milburn> Especially with its own little section and things
2008-03-22 05:20 * Werdna tickles kila with a large feather
2008-03-22 05:20 < kila> :D
2008-03-22 05:20 < Werdna> (repeat) All of those interested in participating in a trial of the revamped Werdnabot are invited to add {{Werdnabot|type=size}} (for numbered 256kb archives), or {{Werdnabot|type=time}} (for monthly archives) to their user talk page.
2008-03-22 05:22 < stelt> J_Milburn, those links are like THE places for SVG developers to go, as many people and Google will confirm. Can you think of a way those can be added to Wikipedia so that it confirms to the Wikipedia standards, not considered spam?
2008-03-22 05:24 < J_Milburn> stelt: I'm personally not a big fan of external links. If we let those forums on, what's to stop anyone with a forum that features SVG stuff from adding it? How are you so sure that that forum is THE ONE?
2008-03-22 05:25 < Manticore> rofl @ http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/I_hate_Stupis_Things
2008-03-22 05:28 < stelt> J_Milburn, forget about the Yahoo SVG developers list then, but what about the SVG world conference http://svgopen.org ?
2008-03-22 05:29 < J_Milburn> That would be a good external link, yes
2008-03-22 05:30 < stelt> Any idea on where/how to add it?
2008-03-22 05:39 < J_Milburn> stelt: You mean the svgopen site?
2008-03-22 05:39 < stelt> yes
2008-03-22 05:40 < J_Milburn> ==External links==
2008-03-22 05:40 < J_Milburn> *[http://svgopen.org SVG Open]
2008-03-22 05:41 < stelt> ok, thanks
2008-03-22 06:24 < Werdna> dun dun dun duhhh
2008-03-22 06:24 < Werdna> dun dun dun duhhh
2008-03-22 06:25 < Werdna> dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun duhhhh
2008-03-22 06:25 < rw12> hi to all
2008-03-22 06:25 < Werdna> dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun duhhhh
2008-03-22 06:25 < Werdna> etc
2008-03-22 06:35 < Tefad> why does clicking "Edit this file using an external application" for /wiki/Image: make me download a php file to disk?
2008-03-22 06:42 < Tefad> salutations
2008-03-22 06:42 < Soms> ello
2008-03-22 06:43 < Tefad> was my question malformed?
2008-03-22 06:43 < snowolf> well, I haven't used it
2008-03-22 06:43 < snowolf> but I remember that, at least on Win, you had to download a program
2008-03-22 06:43 < Tefad> does it even load properly? i get a prompt to save a PHP file to disk.
2008-03-22 06:43 < snowolf> and then set it to use your favourite text editor
2008-03-22 06:44 < Tefad> i think the link is broken
2008-03-22 06:45 * Werdna solicits more Werdnabot testers
2008-03-22 06:45 * SynergeticMag yawns
2008-03-22 06:45 < Tefad> anyway, my goal is to replace an image file
2008-03-22 06:45 * Rinn|Dead coughs and coughs
2008-03-22 06:45 < Tefad> i've already modified it..
2008-03-22 06:46 < SynergeticMag> DeadEyeArrow:http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tikiwont&diff=prev&oldid=200050822
2008-03-22 06:47 < SynergeticMag> uh
2008-03-22 06:47 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tikiwont&diff=prev&oldid=200050822
2008-03-22 06:51 < DeadEyeArrow> Yea, I don't see the CoI either
2008-03-22 06:52 < SynergeticMag> CoI?
2008-03-22 06:52 < snowolf> Conflict of Interests
2008-03-22 06:52 < SynergeticMag> ah
2008-03-22 06:53 < SynergeticMag> its just there to say "we don't recomend it"
2008-03-22 06:53 < SynergeticMag> but i dont care
2008-03-22 06:53 < SynergeticMag> i dont like wasting time
2008-03-22 06:53 < SynergeticMag> unless theres a serious reason, it should be done and over with
2008-03-22 06:54 * SynergeticMag dos the anti process wonk
2008-03-22 06:54 * Werdna cuddles poor Rinn|Dead
2008-03-22 06:54 < SynergeticMag> does*
2008-03-22 06:55 < SynergeticMag> whens the first day of spring again?
2008-03-22 06:55 < Werdna> today.
2008-03-22 06:55 < Werdna> the equinox was yesterday
2008-03-22 06:55 < SynergeticMag> because....it snowed last night
2008-03-22 06:55 * DeadEyeArrow misses snow
2008-03-22 06:56 < SynergeticMag> you can have some of mine
2008-03-22 06:56 < snowolf> oh so it's spring now?
2008-03-22 06:56 * snowolf didn't know
2008-03-22 06:56 < SynergeticMag> DeadEyeArrow: where do you inhabit?
2008-03-22 06:56 < Tefad> question re image uploading: if i modify a file, and intend to replace a current image, what must i perform?
2008-03-22 06:57 < Tefad> also, am i not allowed to do this anonymously (aside from IP tracking)?
2008-03-22 06:57 < SynergeticMag> Tefad: a backflip
2008-03-22 06:57 < Tefad> what task on the site.
2008-03-22 06:57 < Rinn|Dead> Tefad: While drinking a glass of watert.
2008-03-22 06:57 < DeadEyeArrow> Syn: South Florida
2008-03-22 06:57 < Rinn|Dead> -t
2008-03-22 06:58 < SynergeticMag> Tefad: elaborate more
2008-03-22 06:58 < SynergeticMag> DEA: try Michigan
2008-03-22 06:58 < Tefad> i have optimized for size in a lossless manner and would like to replace a current image.
2008-03-22 06:58 < Tefad> filesize.
2008-03-22 06:59 < SynergeticMag> so in other words, shrink it?
2008-03-22 06:59 < Tefad> in the sense of file size, yes
2008-03-22 06:59 < Tefad> is this not an encouraged activity?
2008-03-22 06:59 < SynergeticMag> hmmm
2008-03-22 06:59 < SynergeticMag> no we frown upon it
2008-03-22 06:59 < Werdna> Daniel-Bryant: you're my newest Werdnabot tester :P
2008-03-22 06:59 < SynergeticMag> especially if its an ip addy
2008-03-22 06:59 < Werdna> (I fixed up teh templatezorz)
2008-03-22 06:59 < Tefad> i am confused
2008-03-22 07:00 < Daniel-Bryant> Werdna, lucky me :)
2008-03-22 07:00 < SynergeticMag> Tefad: good, it was my intent
2008-03-22 07:00 < SynergeticMag> wheres that guy with the walnut picture?
2008-03-22 07:00 < Tefad> is this not the appropriate channel for asking such questions?
2008-03-22 07:00 < SynergeticMag> he enlarged it
2008-03-22 07:00 * Lucifer_Cat mourns the demise of Rinn. also, keeps an eye on SynergeticMag
2008-03-22 07:00 < DeadEyeArrow> Go to the image page, look under the file history section and click upload a new version
2008-03-22 07:00 < Werdna> Daniel-Bryant: add {{Werdnabot|type=size}} or {{werdnabot|type=time}} to your user talk page :P
2008-03-22 07:00 < SynergeticMag> Tefad: i was kidding with you
2008-03-22 07:00 < Lucifer_Cat> what time is it there SynergeticMag