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2008-03-20 01:30 < GerardM-> If that means that you think that I think further then only what is on the table, sure and I take it as a compliment
2008-03-20 01:31 < cimon> There is no other side for me on wikimedia. Just people failing to gather to the center...
2008-03-20 01:31 < cimon> No, the long game is not helped by considering every other actor as a pawn.
2008-03-20 01:32 < NotASoms> Ceiling_cat/Raul654 been in tonight?
2008-03-20 01:33 < GerardM-> It is not helped either by having to consider only the often too narrow confines of an issue that is brought to corner
2008-03-20 01:34 < cimon> I can see how you might feel that way.
2008-03-20 01:35 < GerardM-> certainly when issues are brought as a matter of faith, the only solution is either cold water, strong denial or showing that there is no substance to the (personal) faith
2008-03-20 01:35 < cimon> if you keep to the center though, there is very scance chanse of getting cornered...
2008-03-20 01:36 < GerardM-> on some issues, I am not in the centre
2008-03-20 01:36 < cimon> you can say that again.
2008-03-20 01:37 < GerardM-> I feel that the centre for some issues is detrimental to what the wmf aims to do / stands for
2008-03-20 01:37 < cimon> rather what you aim for the wmf to do
2008-03-20 01:37 < cimon> wmf has no will
2008-03-20 01:37 < GerardM-> The centre used to be "let us not have any more new projects in new languages"
2008-03-20 01:38 < GerardM-> with the language committee, there are no new failing projects any more
2008-03-20 01:38 < cimon> I think I have said I very much value how you have done heavy moving in wikimedia...
2008-03-20 01:38 < GerardM-> but Cimon, the heavy moving is not needed when everyone thinks the same
2008-03-20 01:39 < cimon> But when I said it, I meant I value the effort, and the effect. not perhaps what you think should be the final outcome...
2008-03-20 01:39 < GerardM-> it is needed when people have ideas that are untenable
2008-03-20 01:39 < cimon> I hope you don't mind me being honest.
2008-03-20 01:40 < GerardM-> no, I have been equally honest
2008-03-20 01:40 < GerardM-> I am happy to explain my behaviour
2008-03-20 01:45 * cimon returns to chickipedia...
2008-03-20 01:47 < cimon> I like this one in particular:
2008-03-20 01:47 < cimon> http://www.chickipedia.com/Image:Marisa_miller_sports_ill_3_big_190.jpg
2008-03-20 01:47 < cimon> What is she thinking?
2008-03-20 01:47 < cimon> "Did I leave the oven on?"
2008-03-20 01:48 < GerardM-> blonde
2008-03-20 01:52 < cimon> GerardM-, hey, blondes think too...
2008-03-20 01:52 < cimon> maybe not much more complicated thoughts than "Did I leave the oven on?" but nevertheless.
2008-03-20 01:53 * GerardM- being blonde himself , there is artificial blonde .. ie artificial intelligence
2008-03-20 01:54 * cimon was a blonde till his 20s and then turned abrubtly dark haired, much like his dad.
2008-03-20 01:54 < cimon> I don't know if there is a word for being blonde as a child and turning dark in adulthood.
2008-03-20 01:56 < GerardM-> growing up perhaps ?
2008-03-20 01:56 < cimon> Though for my dad it was much more spectacular, as he turned really really dark.
2008-03-20 01:56 < cimon> I am sort of barely dark, sort of rat-coloured.
2008-03-20 01:56 < cimon> And my beard is turning white.
2008-03-20 01:57 < Cyrius> my hair was reddish when I was really little
2008-03-20 02:02 < GerardM-> I had a red curly beard, now it is more pepper and salt
2008-03-20 02:03 < cimon> heh, that is curious, I have a pepper and salt beard too.
2008-03-20 02:03 < cimon> I have been toying with colouring either sideburn with a red stripe, just for effect.
2008-03-20 02:05 < cimon> currently I have been molding my beard so that it is short in the middle, so as to not show the inherent asymmetry...
2008-03-20 02:05 < Cirt> hello
2008-03-20 02:05 < Cirt> question for an admin familiar with the RfA process?
2008-03-20 02:06 < NotASoms> Well I am not a sysop.
2008-03-20 02:06 < NotASoms> But I am familiar with it.
2008-03-20 02:06 < cimon> the "twist-point" of my beard is below my chin well to the left, and it really skews my beard badly, if I let it grow around there.
2008-03-20 02:07 < Cirt> NotASoms: what is your sn on wiki?
2008-03-20 02:07 < NotASoms> Somitho
2008-03-20 02:08 < cimon> If I wanted to keep a full beard and pretend it was remotely symmetrical, I would have to keep training it by night, and use waxes, and I am frankly not that vain. I don't care what my beard looks like, I just care about what is the least maintenance I can do and still look presentable.
2008-03-20 02:14 < cimon> GerardM-, this might amuse you: http://leuksman.com/log/2008/03/19/ads-on-encyclopedias/
2008-03-20 02:16 < GerardM-> <grin> reads like a lot of expensive staff and not so good traffic rating
2008-03-20 02:19 * NotASoms pokes Rinn with a hot poker
2008-03-20 02:20 * Rinn drops a sack of potatoes on NotASoms
2008-03-20 02:20 * NotASoms peels the potatoes
2008-03-20 02:29 < cimon> hi there Profoss, long time no IRC
2008-03-20 02:29 < Profoss> hi, yeah
2008-03-20 02:30 < cimon> Profoss, have you been keeping in touch with any other folks from the old guard #wikipedia IRC:ers?
2008-03-20 02:31 < Profoss> cimon: not really
2008-03-20 02:39 < cimon> Anyone here know how Apple-Jack is made?
2008-03-20 02:46 < jtizzle1854> has anyone tried absinth? have y'all tried both versions, the ones with thujone in them, and the new kind that now the US can sell, the kind without Thujone? I wonder if there's any difference in the taste i'm going to get order me some absinth soon from the liquor store! about 40 dollars that's alot cheaper than what it goes for on the internet about 150 and up
2008-03-20 02:46 < cimon> I just did to coffee the same thing that is done to cider, to get Apple-Gack
2008-03-20 02:46 < cimon> *Apple-Jack
2008-03-20 02:48 < cimon> jtizzle1854, absinthe never did anything special to me, but then, neither did cannabis... kind of like Obelix, the potion just does nothing for me, because I was tipped into the cauldron as a wee bairn.
2008-03-20 02:49 < Rinn> A is for Apple, J is for Jacks. Cinnamon toasty Apple Jacks! You need a complete breakfast, that's a fact. Start it off with Apple Jacks. Apple Jacks! Apple Jacks! Ten vitamins and minerals-that's what it packs. Apple-tasty, crunchy, too! Kellogg's Apple Jacks!
2008-03-20 02:49 < AdamBishop> haha
2008-03-20 02:50 < AdamBishop> I don't think that's the kind he means
2008-03-20 02:50 < cimon> on the other hand, Harvey Wallbangers really screwed me up but bad, with the high voltage and easy drinkability and my allergic reaction to vanilla producing a frenzied high and a cataclysmic collapse at the end of it...
2008-03-20 02:50 < jtizzle1854> well is there any differnce in the absinth that has thujone and the absinth that doesn't?
2008-03-20 02:50 < jtizzle1854> any difference in taste?
2008-03-20 02:51 < cimon> thujone isn't really there for the taste...
2008-03-20 02:51 < cimon> thujone is only for the psychogenic effect...
2008-03-20 02:52 < jtizzle1854> ok so it's no difference in absinth with or without thujone?
2008-03-20 02:52 < jtizzle1854> in taste?
2008-03-20 02:52 < cimon> Like gruit didn't add henbane to beer for the taste.
2008-03-20 02:52 < jtizzle1854> what's gruit?
2008-03-20 02:52 < cimon> gruit is what was used before hops
2008-03-20 02:52 < Rinn> Fruit with a G instead of an F.
2008-03-20 02:53 < cimon> gruit was basically a mixture of things, untill folks came up with the reinheitsgebot that said: hops, nothing else...
2008-03-20 02:53 < jtizzle1854> so there's no difference in absinth with or without thujone? and what's the pschogenic effect?
2008-03-20 02:53 < Rinn> It's nice to know what it feels like to be on the other side of a jargon-littered conversation.
2008-03-20 02:54 < cimon> talk about a one-track mind
2008-03-20 02:54 < ideogram> he is very persistent, isn't he?
2008-03-20 02:55 < Rinn> At least you aren't linguists.
2008-03-20 02:55 < jtizzle1854> i'm inqusitive
2008-03-20 02:55 < jtizzle1854> so there's no difference in absinth with or without thujone? and what's the pschogenic effect?
2008-03-20 02:55 < ideogram> I'm not sure why you think #wikipedia would know a lot about absinth.
2008-03-20 02:55 < jtizzle1854> i don't
2008-03-20 02:56 < ideogram> perhaps another channel might know more.
2008-03-20 02:56 < jtizzle1854> i just thought some people might since the room has 224 people excluding
2008-03-20 02:56 < jtizzle1854> me
2008-03-20 02:56 < cimon> heh
2008-03-20 02:56 < ideogram> well, apparently no one here knows.
2008-03-20 02:56 < cimon> or perhaps we are good at keeping a secret.
2008-03-20 02:57 < AdamBishop> I had a tiny shot of absinthe was but I have no idea how it was made or what was in it
2008-03-20 02:57 < AdamBishop> or even if it was really absinthe
2008-03-20 02:57 < jtizzle1854> if it wasn't absinth i guess you don't know what it was huh?
2008-03-20 02:57 < ideogram> hm
2008-03-20 02:58 < NotASoms> Probably moonshine.
2008-03-20 02:59 < ideogram> NotASoms: can I PM you?
2008-03-20 02:59 < NotASoms> Go for it.
2008-03-20 02:59 < Rinn> ideogram: No, NotASoms only accepts PMs from authorized private investigators.
2008-03-20 03:00 < NotASoms> Rinn: Not quite.
2008-03-20 03:02 < cimon> AdamBishop, I have had absinthe both as a cocktail, and as the hotshot thing, where you drink a flambeaud soaked sugarcubes remains from the indentation at the bottom of a glass turned upside down...
2008-03-20 03:07 < Evil_Monkey> very early morning in the US and all is quite in #wikipedia
2008-03-20 03:08 < Evil_Monkey> quiet*
2008-03-20 03:08 * Ceiling_Cat is here to watch you
2008-03-20 03:08 * NotASoms throws catnip at Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-20 03:10 * Ceiling_Cat is your hirsute tectal god
2008-03-20 03:10 * Mike_H knocks three times
2008-03-20 03:11 < Mike_H> about the main page:
2008-03-20 03:11 < Mike_H> <MZMcBride> Someone added quite a lot of color.
2008-03-20 03:11 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> wtf is up with the pastels?
2008-03-20 03:11 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> someone let Martha Stewart play with the page!
2008-03-20 03:11 < Evil_Monkey> Ceiling_Cat: tectal -- new word for my vocabulary
2008-03-20 03:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Evil_Monkey - tectal: of or related to the roof
2008-03-20 03:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Ceiling Cat: Felis tectalis familaris
2008-03-20 03:14 < Evil_Monkey> Ceiling_Cat: the OED would suggest it refers specifically to the roof of the midbrain
2008-03-20 03:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Evil_Monkey - that's true in the sense that 'tectum' generally refers to the biological "roof" of a creature, typically the head
2008-03-20 03:14 < Ceiling_Cat> however, tectum literally means roof
2008-03-20 03:15 < Ceiling_Cat> tectal is the correct word to mean "or or related to the roof"
2008-03-20 03:16 < Evil_Monkey> new word to include somewhere in my masters thesis
2008-03-20 03:16 < AdamBishop> but "ceiling" is "camera"
2008-03-20 03:16 < Ceiling_Cat> is it?
2008-03-20 03:16 < AdamBishop> hmm. Well apparently tectum can mean ceiling too
2008-03-20 03:16 < NotASoms> Ceiling_Cat: that account was not canceled fyi
2008-03-20 03:16 < Ceiling_Cat> AHA
2008-03-20 03:16 < Evil_Monkey> I've often tried to think of a legitimate way I could incorporate the word "fellatio" into my writings. My astronomy isn't exactly conducive
2008-03-20 03:16 < Ceiling_Cat> They lied?
2008-03-20 03:17 < Ceiling_Cat> Because they said it was taken care of, and closed your ticket
2008-03-20 03:17 < AdamBishop> what sprung to mind is that tectum is the outside roof and camera is the inside roof
2008-03-20 03:17 < AdamBishop> but according to my dictionary tectum can be both
2008-03-20 03:17 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't see how that squares with them not cancelling the account, unless they out-and-out lied to you
2008-03-20 03:17 * Ceiling_Cat wants details
2008-03-20 03:18 < Ceiling_Cat> also, this doesn't bode well for future prospects of abuse complaints
2008-03-20 03:19 < Ceiling_Cat> if they proceed to do absolutely nothing and then lie to you and tell you it's been taken care of
2008-03-20 03:19 < NotASoms> Ceiling_Cat: They had sent a letter to the user, and also placed a phone call and left a voicemail to ask him to cease.
2008-03-20 03:19 < NotASoms> Otherwise they would disconnect the account March 31
2008-03-20 03:20 < NotASoms> theres other personal details
2008-03-20 03:20 < NotASoms> but I cant share those here
2008-03-20 03:20 < Ceiling_Cat> personal details? Related to the user, or the person who handled it, or what?
2008-03-20 03:20 < NotASoms> User.
2008-03-20 03:20 < Ceiling_Cat> ok, so they did this, the guy continued to vandalize Wikipedia...
2008-03-20 03:21 < Ceiling_Cat> so what are they doing now?
2008-03-20 03:21 < NotASoms> I also was able to get a supervisor in abuse to be the POC for sprint issues.
2008-03-20 03:21 < NotASoms> Well provide me more stuff to go to them with and they'll yank it.
2008-03-20 03:22 < Ceiling_Cat> more stuff subsequent to his last vandalism of march 16?
2008-03-20 03:22 < Ceiling_Cat> or just more stuff in general?
2008-03-20 03:23 < NotASoms> More stuff after March 16th's incident.
2008-03-20 03:23 < Ceiling_Cat> ah, ok
2008-03-20 03:24 < Ceiling_Cat> I haven't seen any more yet, but it wouldn't be hte first time he took a few days off
2008-03-20 03:24 < Ceiling_Cat> (it could also be that he's running out of ranges, seeing as how the fucker has gotten roughly 2 million IPs blocked)
2008-03-20 03:25 < ideogram> cool
2008-03-20 03:26 < NotASoms> I'll follow up tomorrow with the NOC Manager I spoke to as well. He asked me to let him know if abuse was going to be un-responsive to the issue.
2008-03-20 03:26 < NotASoms> Maybe just based on that we can get it yanked and then unblock those /16's you love to hate.
2008-03-20 03:27 < Ceiling_Cat> well, he's not using just spring PCS
2008-03-20 03:27 < Ceiling_Cat> sprint*
2008-03-20 03:27 < Ceiling_Cat> He's got several anothers, and within the last couple weeks started showing up with anonomyzer.com IPs too
2008-03-20 03:27 < NotASoms> Right but Sprint has one NOC for Sprintlink and Sprint PCS, and then a Nextel NOC which reports to the Sprint NOC.
2008-03-20 03:27 < NotASoms> Ah.
2008-03-20 03:28 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Raul654&page=
2008-03-20 03:28 < Ceiling_Cat> Any of those ranges look familiar?
2008-03-20 03:29 < Ceiling_Cat> (There've been probably 20 or 25 /16s since January, of which more-than-half were Scibaby related)
2008-03-20 03:29 < Ceiling_Cat> [Side note: Tile Join - aka, Eir Witt - is another one I could use some help dealing with]
2008-03-20 03:29 < NotASoms> I dont make a habit of memorizing /16's.
2008-03-20 03:30 < NotASoms> I'd need to whois them.
2008-03-20 03:30 < NotASoms> Sure, whos he with?
2008-03-20 03:30 < Ceiling_Cat> BSkyB Broadband
2008-03-20 03:30 < NotASoms> Thats a lost cause.
2008-03-20 03:30 < NotASoms> But I can try.
2008-03-20 03:31 < Ceiling_Cat> lost cause?
2008-03-20 03:31 < NotASoms> Yes.
2008-03-20 03:31 < Ceiling_Cat> why's that?
2008-03-20 03:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Also, British Telecom
2008-03-20 03:31 < Ceiling_Cat> BT
2008-03-20 03:32 < NotASoms> They arnt exactly responsive there.
2008-03-20 03:32 < NotASoms> BT I can deal with.
2008-03-20 03:37 < Luna-San> BT was one of the few providers where I actually felt like they looked at my abuse report.
2008-03-20 03:37 < Luna-San> Even if they couldn't really help me, in the end.
2008-03-20 03:39 < NotASoms> BT is very responsive on abuse.
2008-03-20 03:45 * NotASoms paws at Luna-San
2008-03-20 03:45 < NotASoms> I'm being stacked up with abuse reports. Throw me a life raft and paddle?
2008-03-20 03:46 * Luna-San tosses NotASoms a paddle and a leaky inner tube. Best I can do with my resources. :o
2008-03-20 03:47 < NotASoms> =\
2008-03-20 03:47 * Luna-San throws in duct tape
2008-03-20 03:47 < NotASoms> Send pilotguy out with a helicopter?
2008-03-20 03:47 * AdamBishop throws NotASoms some [[water wings]]
2008-03-20 03:47 < NotASoms> Oh thanks AdamBishop.
2008-03-20 03:48 < ideogram> I'm sure NotASoms is an excellent swimmer.
2008-03-20 03:48 < NotASoms> Yeah sure, miles from sure.
2008-03-20 03:48 < NotASoms> shore*
2008-03-20 03:48 < ideogram> You've been out there this long, you should be used to it.
2008-03-20 03:49 * NotASoms beats ideogram with his paddle
2008-03-20 03:51 * ideogram takes it away and sends NotASoms up a creek
2008-03-20 03:52 < NotASoms> =(
2008-03-20 04:18 * denelson83 is listening to "Say It Right" by Nelly Furtado (3:43 - 192kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-03-20 04:23 * AdamBishop is bored with tagging articles
2008-03-20 04:23 * SQLDb is bored with AdamBishop
2008-03-20 04:24 < Rinn> The obvious course of action here is to play tic-tac-toe instead.
2008-03-20 04:39 * Mike_H NP: MFSB feat. The Three Degrees - TSOP (The Sound of Philadelphia) (US No. 1 in May 1974)
2008-03-20 04:44 < denelson83> No, that's "tig tag toe" to you
2008-03-20 04:50 * Mike_H NP: Bee Gees - Too Much Heaven (US No. 1 in January 1979)
2008-03-20 05:13 < Mike_H> nazgjunk: Where are you from again?
2008-03-20 05:13 < Mike_H> for some reason
2008-03-20 05:13 < Mike_H> I thought you were from one of the old Balkan states
2008-03-20 05:13 < nazgjunk> o.O
2008-03-20 05:14 < Mike_H> or was it Germany
2008-03-20 05:14 < nazgjunk> not quite, no
2008-03-20 05:14 < Mike_H> anyway, somewhere in Europe
2008-03-20 05:14 < nazgjunk> I'm dutch, with a german mother
2008-03-20 05:19 < Kamping_Kaiser> close enough to the balkans :P
2008-03-20 05:19 < Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
2008-03-20 05:20 < Lubaf> Homicide is painless / It brings on many changes / And I can change the tone of this song by just changing one word...
2008-03-20 05:20 < Mike_H> I'm watching Big Brother 8
2008-03-20 05:20 < Mike_H> and they brought three people's archenemies on to compete against them
2008-03-20 05:20 < Mike_H> and one girl's archenemy was so lame
2008-03-20 05:20 < nsh> admission of a problem is the first step to recovery, Michael_B
2008-03-20 05:20 < Mike_H> they like started hating one another
2008-03-20 05:20 < nsh> * Mike_H
2008-03-20 05:21 < Mike_H> because she didn't give her back $5 she owed her
2008-03-20 05:21 < nsh> ON REALITY TV!?
2008-03-20 05:21 < Mike_H> and I'm like, wtf, for real?
2008-03-20 05:21 < nsh> shocked and appalled that there wasn't nothing but civiliy and courtesy
2008-03-20 05:21 < Kamping_Kaiser> heh
2008-03-20 05:21 < Mike_H> nsh: You'd destroy a friendship over five fucking dollars? and that being the only reason?
2008-03-20 05:22 < nsh> TELEVISION FUCKING CAMERAS
2008-03-20 05:22 < nsh> what part of this equation are you missing? :-)
2008-03-20 05:22 < Lubaf> Mike_H: Where is this?
2008-03-20 05:22 < Lubaf> USAian edition?
2008-03-20 05:22 < Mike_H> Lubaf: Big Brother 8
2008-03-20 05:22 < Mike_H> yeah
2008-03-20 05:22 < Lubaf> Or Canadada?
2008-03-20 05:22 < Mike_H> between Carol and Jessica
2008-03-20 05:22 < Mike_H> Canada doesn't have a BB
2008-03-20 05:23 < Lubaf> Good for them.
2008-03-20 05:23 < Kamping_Kaiser> agreed
2008-03-20 05:24 < NotASoms> Mike_H: You mean they watch the American edition?
2008-03-20 05:25 < Kamping_Kaiser> they are americans, in a technical sense (people who live in the continent of n. america)
2008-03-20 05:25 < Werdna> eek! Not A Soms!
2008-03-20 05:25 < NotASoms> zohnoes! A Werdna!
2008-03-20 05:25 < Kamping_Kaiser> a soms?
2008-03-20 05:25 < Werdna> /nick NotACliche
2008-03-20 05:25 < NotASoms> Yes Kamping_Kaiser.
2008-03-20 05:25 < NotASoms> Not A Sometimes I suppose?
2008-03-20 05:26 < NotASoms> Makes no sense.
2008-03-20 05:26 < NotASoms> but thats why they love me
2008-03-20 05:26 < Kamping_Kaiser> works for me :)
2008-03-20 05:26 < Mike_H> Lubaf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_8_%28U.S.%29_highlights
2008-03-20 05:26 * NotASoms climbs into Werdna's computer and steals his megahurtz
2008-03-20 05:26 < Mike_H> NotASoms: Yes, they watch the American edition, it airs in Canada
2008-03-20 05:26 < Mike_H> here's one event
2008-03-20 05:26 < Mike_H> On the first night, Joe announced to the other HouseGuests (before Dustin was revealed as Joe's nemesis) that his ex-boyfriend Dustin gave him gonorrhea. The news unsettled many HouseGuests, including Jessica, who thought it was too much information to share about yourself on national television, as well as Dustin, who insisted his test was negative and that he did not give gonorrhea to Joe.
2008-03-20 05:27 < NotASoms> heh
2008-03-20 05:28 < NotASoms> and now I realise why I dont watch it
2008-03-20 05:28 < Lubaf> NotASoms: Not just that, but it's boring as hell.
2008-03-20 05:29 * Lubaf has talked to a few Reality TV fans, and they all agree that BB is BORING.
2008-03-20 05:32 < Lubaf> Jerry Springer > Big Brother, in both entertainment value and quality.
2008-03-20 05:32 < NotASoms> Do they throw chairs and pull off each others dresses exposing what hasnt been surgically removed yet in Big Brother?
2008-03-20 05:33 < Lubaf> Springer never denies that's it's utter garbage, and achieves some degree of zen trashiness from it.
2008-03-20 05:33 < Lubaf> And, say what you will about it, it's almost never boring.
2008-03-20 05:33 * Lubaf has sat through three episodes, but they were all entertaining.
2008-03-20 05:33 < mavhc> in other news: being stabbed the face > being drowned in acid
2008-03-20 05:33 < Mike_H> Lubaf: I don't know, the gonorrhea thing was pretty lulzy
2008-03-20 05:34 < Lubaf> Mike_H: Yes, but how do they top it, or even equal it?
2008-03-20 05:34 < Mike_H> Lubaf: BB8 was pretty good
2008-03-20 05:34 < Mike_H> and hilarious
2008-03-20 05:34 < Mike_H> Jameka once described God thusly
2008-03-20 05:34 < Mike_H> and this is a direct quote
2008-03-20 05:34 < Mike_H> "God is so gangsta!"
2008-03-20 05:35 < NotASoms> I'll go download the episodes off of BitTorrent and watch a few.
2008-03-20 05:35 < mavhc> thanks for ruining tv
2008-03-20 05:35 < Mike_H> NotASoms: No need
2008-03-20 05:35 < Mike_H> they're on YouTube
2008-03-20 05:35 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=35028A6F242EC5F6
2008-03-20 05:35 < Lubaf> It's garbage, and it doesn't even have the positive cultural impact of Jerry Springer.
2008-03-20 05:35 < NotASoms> I'm not a fan of watching it on YouTube if I can just download an entire episode to watch.
2008-03-20 05:35 < Lubaf> And, weirdly enough, there has been positive cultural impact.
2008-03-20 05:35 < mavhc> why, what sin are you atoning for?
2008-03-20 05:36 < Lubaf> mavhc: He's not atoning, he's just stupid.
2008-03-20 05:36 < mavhc> he is watching reality tv, that's a given
2008-03-20 05:37 < Lubaf> mavhc: True.
2008-03-20 05:37 < Lubaf> There are maybe three intelligent "reality" shows.
2008-03-20 05:37 < Lubaf> Allright, one.
2008-03-20 05:37 < Lubaf> Thirty Days.
2008-03-20 05:37 < mavhc> alright, zero
2008-03-20 05:37 < mavhc> if it's intelligent it's a documentary, not a reality show
2008-03-20 05:37 < NotASoms> Thirty Days rocks.
2008-03-20 05:38 < Lubaf> mavhc: Thirty Days is a very simple idea of Morgan Spurlock's: Have somebody do something weird for 30 days, and film it.
2008-03-20 05:39 < Lubaf> For example, move a Bible Thumper in with (American) Muslims.
2008-03-20 05:40 < chrisgrant> I just found a nes emulator - SMB is fun!!
2008-03-20 05:42 < Lubaf> Or have somebody spend 30 days in a wheelchair.
2008-03-20 05:43 < NotASoms> Lubaf: That was a good episode.
2008-03-20 05:43 < NotASoms> the muslim one
2008-03-20 05:43 < NotASoms> The 30 days in jail
2008-03-20 05:43 < NotASoms> was filmed in my county jail
2008-03-20 05:45 < Lubaf> New season coming up.
2008-03-20 05:45 < NotASoms> Yep
2008-03-20 05:46 < Lubaf> Anyway. 30 Days is, while not great, at least not as sapping of your intellect as, say, Temptation Island or that Pussycat Dolls thing, or whatever the fuck they're playing now.
2008-03-20 06:13 < TheOtter> hello.
2008-03-20 06:13 < Messedrocker> guten morgen
2008-03-20 06:13 < TheOtter> vielen Dank
2008-03-20 06:13 < TheOtter> brb
2008-03-20 06:15 < Mike_H> TheOtter: I'm going to message you
2008-03-20 06:15 < Mike_H> you'll think this is hilarious
2008-03-20 06:25 < rindolf> Hi all.
2008-03-20 06:25 < rindolf> Wasn't there supposed to be an Israeli wikipeders meeting in Purim?
2008-03-20 06:26 < TheOtter> do we have #wikipedia-he
2008-03-20 06:26 < TheOtter> ?
2008-03-20 06:26 < TheOtter> because there are few Israelis that come here usually
2008-03-20 06:28 < TheOtter> so if you don't get anything done here you might check that out :-)
2008-03-20 06:29 < TheOtter> <= http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/128345359563750000.jpg
2008-03-20 06:29 < TheOtter> damn cold
2008-03-20 06:30 < TheOtter> GLOBAL WARMING MAI ASS
2008-03-20 06:33 < rindolf> TheOtter: there doesn't seem to be a #wikipedia-he
2008-03-20 06:33 < TheOtter> hm, sorry
2008-03-20 06:57 < TheOtter> heh, de.wikipedia just plunged for me
2008-03-20 06:57 < Wiggler> is wiki dying again?
2008-03-20 06:57 < Wiggler> its dead in uk here
2008-03-20 06:57 < TheTallOne> same
2008-03-20 06:58 < AmA> Request: GET http://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%90%E1%BA%B7c_bi%E1%BB%87t:RecentChanges, from 203.212.189.201 via yf1000.yaseo.wikimedia.org (squid/2.6.STABLE18) to ()
2008-03-20 06:58 < AmA> Error: ERR_CANNOT_FORWARD, errno (11) Resource temporarily unavailable at Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:57:26 GMT <--- ?
2008-03-20 06:58 < NotASpy> network problems again.
2008-03-20 06:58 < AmA> yes, thks
2008-03-20 06:58 < Wiggler> amsterdam issues again ?
2008-03-20 06:58 < DeadEyeArrow> Hey, is it down for anyone else?
2008-03-20 06:58 < NotASpy> dunno, but Mark's working on it.
2008-03-20 06:58 < Juliancolton> Yep :(
2008-03-20 06:58 < TheOtter> hey, Amsterdamers, put the bong down and help!
2008-03-20 06:58 < AmA> don't know
2008-03-20 06:58 < Administrateur> down :(
2008-03-20 06:58 < zocky> from 91.198.174.40 via knsq2.knams.wikimedia.org
2008-03-20 06:58 < TheTallOne> back
2008-03-20 06:58 < Pelalil> down for me (london)
2008-03-20 06:59 < snowolf> yes, back for me too
2008-03-20 06:59 < DeadEyeArrow> Okay, it wasn't me this time
2008-03-20 06:59 < snowolf> (italy)
2008-03-20 06:59 < Pelalil> back for me
2008-03-20 06:59 < AmA> back
2008-03-20 06:59 < hahaha27> hey
2008-03-20 06:59 < Wiggler> just came back
2008-03-20 06:59 < AmA> Vietnam :)
2008-03-20 06:59 < hahaha27> is wikipedia down?
2008-03-20 06:59 < Pelalil> hahaha27: try again
2008-03-20 06:59 < Wiggler> uk online again
2008-03-20 06:59 < TheTallOne> no, its's back
2008-03-20 06:59 < hahaha27> ok thanks
2008-03-20 06:59 < TheOtter> okay, good
2008-03-20 07:00 < Juliancolton> It's back
2008-03-20 07:00 < X-CRiPt51> ke pasa con el wikipedia ke no va?
2008-03-20 07:00 < X-CRiPt51> on soc?
2008-03-20 07:00 < X-CRiPt51> mare meva
2008-03-20 07:00 < X-CRiPt51> aqui ningú menten
2008-03-20 07:00 < ideogram> what kind of spaniard types ke?
2008-03-20 07:01 < TheOtter> a lazy one?
2008-03-20 07:01 < TheOtter> :-D
2008-03-20 07:01 < ideogram> k is not used in spanish
2008-03-20 07:01 * TheOtter uses abstruse abbreviations when typing french
2008-03-20 07:01 < jcay> hello, anything wrong with wiki?
2008-03-20 07:02 < Juliancolton> There was, but now it's back on
2008-03-20 07:02 < TheOtter> not any more in most places
2008-03-20 07:02 < jcay> yes, works again, thx :)
2008-03-20 07:03 < TheOtter> "kesk c" is shorter than "Qu'est-ce que c'est"
2008-03-20 07:05 < Lunaway> Wouldn't it be easier to just type "k?" for Spanish?
2008-03-20 07:05 < TheOtter> the letter name isn't [ke] in Spanish I think
2008-03-20 07:05 < ideogram> no it isn't
2008-03-20 07:05 < ideogram> ka more like
2008-03-20 07:06 < TheOtter> in French the code is very difficult to follow
2008-03-20 07:06 < TheOtter> some people type "sé" for "sait"
2008-03-20 07:07 < zocky> evribad šud džast lrn slavik speling
2008-03-20 07:07 < zocky> *evribadi
2008-03-20 07:08 < jcay> o.O
2008-03-20 07:10 < TheOtter> Ваи нoт ѓо алл зe вeй
2008-03-20 07:10 < TheOtter> ?
2008-03-20 07:10 < TheOtter> (ignore the accent on the g)
2008-03-20 07:12 < TheOtter> ברב.
2008-03-20 07:14 < TheOtter> בך
2008-03-20 07:15 < ideogram> are you typing those backwards?
2008-03-20 07:15 < TheOtter> I'm pasting them from the article, the cursor reverses automatically
2008-03-20 07:15 < TheOtter> (from the alphabet article)
2008-03-20 07:16 < TheOtter> was supposed to say "brb" and "bek"
2008-03-20 07:16 < TheOtter> ie back
2008-03-20 07:18 < TheOtter> שית!
2008-03-20 07:18 < TheOtter> brb
2008-03-20 07:20 < TheOtter> back
2008-03-20 07:20 < TheOtter> нo мope шит.
2008-03-20 07:21 < Andries> tHEOTTER, WHAT ARE U DOING AT THE SEA?
2008-03-20 07:22 < TheOtter> no sea here
2008-03-20 07:22 < Andries> Ho more=at the sea
2008-03-20 07:22 < TheOtter> hehe
2008-03-20 07:22 < TheOtter> "no more"
2008-03-20 07:22 < TheOtter> :-D
2008-03-20 07:23 < NotASpy> worse things happen at sea...
2008-03-20 07:23 < TheOtter> just phonetic fun
2008-03-20 07:23 < Andries> I sea now
2008-03-20 07:23 < jcay> studying russian?
2008-03-20 07:23 < TheOtter> not at all
2008-03-20 07:24 < Andries> Yes, I am studying russian.
2008-03-20 07:24 < NotASpy> how easy is it to learn, would you say ?
2008-03-20 07:25 < jcay> not easy really
2008-03-20 07:25 < Andries> Even if you have some sens of grammar then it still quite difficult Lot of work.
2008-03-20 07:25 < jcay> could be ease at least for post-slavic nations
2008-03-20 07:25 < TheOtter> вepы хapд!
2008-03-20 07:25 < Andries> a lot easier
2008-03-20 07:26 < Andries> a lot easier if you already now a slavic language.
2008-03-20 07:26 < jcay> for sure
2008-03-20 07:26 < TheOtter> (especially Bulgarian)
2008-03-20 07:27 < Andries> Can somebody check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_religion
2008-03-20 07:27 < Andries> I am not a native speaker of English so I may have made grammar mistakes in that article.
2008-03-20 07:28 < Andries> Please. Thanks in advance.
2008-03-20 07:28 < TheOtter> the first sentence should be "split up into" or something, you can only distinguish "between" things, or "in" things
2008-03-20 07:29 < Andries> okay
2008-03-20 07:29 < jcay> yep i can see some mistakes, but i am not native english speaker so i pass now
2008-03-20 07:29 < TheOtter> heh :-)
2008-03-20 07:30 < TheOtter> I'll have a go if you like.
2008-03-20 07:30 < TheOtter> (at the introduction for now)
2008-03-20 07:35 < Andries> yes, pleasee
2008-03-20 07:35 < Andries> TheOtter, I am waiting for more comments.
2008-03-20 07:35 < TheOtter> can I save my version though?
2008-03-20 07:35 < Andries> yes
2008-03-20 07:36 < TheOtter> fine
2008-03-20 07:36 < Andries> TheOtter, yes you can save ur version,
2008-03-20 07:36 < TheOtter> I will
2008-03-20 07:40 < TheOtter> okay, edit conflict
2008-03-20 07:40 < TheOtter> so someone else will apparently do it for you
2008-03-20 07:40 < TheOtter> oh, it was you
2008-03-20 07:41 < TheOtter> hm
2008-03-20 07:41 < TheOtter> then I'll just throw it on top if you don't mind
2008-03-20 07:42 < TheOtter> hey...
2008-03-20 07:42 < TheOtter> oh, right I can see what that was
2008-03-20 07:43 < TheOtter> I'll just throw mine on top
2008-03-20 07:44 < TheOtter> okay, done
2008-03-20 07:47 < Andries> thx
2008-03-20 07:47 < Andries> I have to leave now.
2008-03-20 07:47 < TheOtter> okay bye
2008-03-20 07:53 < TheOtter> wee... ain't nothing like a crackpot diet
2008-03-20 07:54 < TheOtter> not quite as bad as the brown rice diet, but that's not saying much
2008-03-20 08:00 < Juliancolton> The "Minor" "New Page" and "Bot" edits look so freaken' weird on my watchlist >.<
2008-03-20 08:00 < Juliancolton> It's annoying
2008-03-20 08:00 < cremepuff|away> :-D
2008-03-20 08:09 < Juliancolton> This is not the kind of RfA answer people are looking for http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/CWY2190&diff=199584635&oldid=199575044
2008-03-20 08:11 < DeadEyeArrow> rofl
2008-03-20 08:12 < Stormscape> Let me be the first to say
2008-03-20 08:12 < Stormscape> RL needs a graphics update
2008-03-20 08:13 < DeadEyeArrow> Real life?
2008-03-20 08:13 < DeadEyeArrow> It looks pretty good to me
2008-03-20 08:14 < Stormscape> Maybe my eyes are too high resolution for RL =P
2008-03-20 08:14 < quanticle> DeadEyeArrow: Meh. Depends. You might be living in a high-res area.
2008-03-20 08:15 < quanticle> Stormscape: RL has different resolutions depending on the locale.
2008-03-20 08:15 < quanticle> Stormscape: Its strange like that.
2008-03-20 08:15 < Stormscape> Clearly the resolution in my city is lower than optimal
2008-03-20 08:15 < AmA> Adminship isn't easy to bear
2008-03-20 08:16 < Stormscape> No doubt
2008-03-20 08:16 < quanticle> Stormscape: Meh. The only thing you can do is <s>change servers</s> move
2008-03-20 08:16 < Stormscape> Having to deal with the hordes of unwashed Wikipedia Editors
2008-03-20 08:16 < quanticle> Stormscape: Having to sally forth and battle vandals
2008-03-20 08:17 < Stormscape> Having to deal with unsavoury types trying to undermine you at every turn
2008-03-20 08:17 < AmA> <--- just got it yesterday :)
2008-03-20 08:17 < ideogram> We're too late!!!
2008-03-20 08:17 < Stormscape> lol
2008-03-20 08:17 < AmA> why ?
2008-03-20 08:17 < ideogram> He can't be saved now.
2008-03-20 08:18 < AmA> point of no return :D
2008-03-20 08:18 < DeadEyeArrow> aw damn, what must I do to save myself?
2008-03-20 08:18 < SWATJester> anyone good with toolservers and stuff like that around?
2008-03-20 08:18 < DeadEyeArrow> I only got like 20 mins
2008-03-20 08:18 < Lunaway> Adminship is the best. Especially if you manage to delude yourself into thinking that - *if it came to it* - you could totally beat any admin in a fight, ever.
2008-03-20 08:19 < Lunaway> Just block 'em all, let God sort 'em out.
2008-03-20 08:19 < Lunaway> And the stewards would never catch you.
2008-03-20 08:19 < AmA> and thay kick you out :D
2008-03-20 08:19 < AmA> a lot of member
2008-03-20 08:19 < Lunaway> Yeah. =\ Then reality kicks in, and you remember most true rogues only last a few minutes.
2008-03-20 08:19 < quanticle> AmA: Depends on if you're part of the cabal or not
2008-03-20 08:20 < Lunaway> SWATJester: SQL's been about recently, I think
2008-03-20 08:20 < SWATJester> yeah I got him in another channel
2008-03-20 08:20 < ideogram> spending six months and thousands of edits to replace the Main Page with a picture of a penis!
2008-03-20 08:20 < Lunaway> Ah, cool
2008-03-20 08:20 < quanticle> ideogram: Heh. Sounds like work.
2008-03-20 08:20 < AmA> :))
2008-03-20 08:20 < ideogram> because it is there.
2008-03-20 08:20 < Lunaway> ideogram: Yeah, that's kinda been my thought, too. If somebody really wants to put that much effort into getting a sleeper admin account, then yeesh, give 'em the thing. We're coming out ahead in the transaction, anyway. :p
2008-03-20 08:21 < quanticle> ideogram: It could be argued that such people actually represent a net gain for Wikipedia, since the one act of vandalism, however destructive is usually more than canceled out by the amount of good edits they had to make in order to get the access levels to commit that act.
2008-03-20 08:21 < quanticle> Lunaway: Yeah, what you said.
2008-03-20 08:21 < ideogram> you can accumulate thousands of edits reverting vandalism.
2008-03-20 08:22 < ideogram> and many people do.
2008-03-20 08:23 < Stormscape> ideogram, I'm partial to replacing the main page with a screen capture from 2 girls 1 cup
2008-03-20 08:23 < Stormscape> or goatse.
2008-03-20 08:23 < AmA> and got a lot of editor watch you from behind
2008-03-20 08:23 < AmA> :D
2008-03-20 08:23 < Stormscape> tubgirl could work too if you just wanted pure shock
2008-03-20 08:24 < Lunaway> Maybe that should be an RfA question. "Do you plan on deleting Main Page at any point in your tenure here?"
2008-03-20 08:24 < ideogram> hahahahaha
2008-03-20 08:24 < Stormscape> Imagine going to the Wikipedia Home Page
2008-03-20 08:24 < Stormscape> and seeing tubgirl
2008-03-20 08:24 < Leslie_S> -did the main page get deleted again?
2008-03-20 08:24 < Lycurgus> why does this channell need an overflow channel when there are others with 2 or 3X as many joined?
2008-03-20 08:24 < Lunaway> Leslie_S: Not recently that I know of. >.>
2008-03-20 08:24 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Nope, this is just idle chatter.
2008-03-20 08:24 < DeadEyeArrow> no, they added a search bar
2008-03-20 08:24 < Leslie_S> lol, i tried to show a moron at school that the main page got deleted before....he tried to tell me "no, they were just deleting that "my password is password!" from it!"
2008-03-20 08:25 < DeadEyeArrow> and then there was uproar so they removed it
2008-03-20 08:25 < ideogram> <b>Support</b> will not delete main page.
2008-03-20 08:25 < AmA> delete Jimbo's user page <-- if I were an English Wikipedia admin
2008-03-20 08:25 < ideogram> do you remember when adminship was that simple?
2008-03-20 08:25 < Lunaway> Stormscape: If I remember right, cascading protection finally got brought out when somebody managed to get a giant penis transcluded onto the frontpage.
2008-03-20 08:25 < Stormscape> LOL
2008-03-20 08:25 < Stormscape> NICE.
2008-03-20 08:25 < quanticle> Epic win
2008-03-20 08:25 < Stormscape> That is some seriously epic trolling.
2008-03-20 08:26 < Lunaway> Heh. I think we calculated the number of seconds it was up, against the average hits per second... absolutely horrifying.
2008-03-20 08:26 < Stormscape> How many people saw it (est.)?
2008-03-20 08:26 < ideogram> hahahahaha
2008-03-20 08:26 < Stormscape> OVer 1000?
2008-03-20 08:27 < AmA> Main page have 70 kk hit per day
2008-03-20 08:27 < Lunaway> Wildly guessing from memory, something like ~90 seconds with ~200 hits per second or something.
2008-03-20 08:27 < Leslie_S> Lunaway uh, giant penises got transcluded onto the front page multiple times that i rmeember...
2008-03-20 08:27 < Lycurgus> do you still have it?
2008-03-20 08:27 < Stormscape> At 70k a day it'd be 48 hits a minute
2008-03-20 08:27 < Lunaway> Leslie_S: Did they? Hrmm.
2008-03-20 08:27 < Stormscape> Seems abit low.
2008-03-20 08:27 < Leslie_S> Lunaway yes.
2008-03-20 08:27 < ideogram> there are 86,400 seconds in a day
2008-03-20 08:28 < AmA> 70kk
2008-03-20 08:28 < AmA> 70.000.000
2008-03-20 08:28 < Stormscape> Just say 70 million?
2008-03-20 08:28 < Stormscape> I thought that kk was a typo
2008-03-20 08:28 < ideogram> that would be 70M
2008-03-20 08:28 < Lunaway> Leslie_S: There was a time way back when, where it wasn't even protected, I think?
2008-03-20 08:28 < AmA> sorry :P
2008-03-20 08:28 < Leslie_S> Lunaway no.
2008-03-20 08:28 < Leslie_S> Lunaway well, actually, i think thats why its protected.
2008-03-20 08:28 < bumm13> Luna-San: that's true
2008-03-20 08:28 < Stormscape> 70M is 810/second average
2008-03-20 08:28 < Lycurgus> .oO(i wonder what e consider 'giant')
2008-03-20 08:29 < ideogram> on my monitor, it would be giant
2008-03-20 08:29 < Stormscape> So 72,900 people saw a giant penis if it was up for 90 seconds.
2008-03-20 08:29 < Leslie_S> Lunaway but it was protected for the whole time ive been here. (since 05) ....but, EVERY TIME someone put an image on the main page and forgot to protect it...it got penises.
2008-03-20 08:29 < ideogram> that's more people than live in my city
2008-03-20 08:29 < Leslie_S> Lunaway which, to be honest, didnt happen very much.
2008-03-20 08:29 < TheOtter> Layla/cadmium my knees
2008-03-20 08:29 < Lunaway> Leslie_S: Heh. Determination at its finest.
2008-03-20 08:29 < Stormscape> See I'd use that 90 seconds for something more shocking than a penis
2008-03-20 08:30 < Stormscape> If I were to do it
2008-03-20 08:30 < Leslie_S> if you didnt protect the image, penises got uploaded over it. if you didnt protect a template, penises got added into it
2008-03-20 08:30 < Leslie_S> Stormscape 2girls1cup?
2008-03-20 08:30 < Stormscape> Not shocking enough
2008-03-20 08:30 < TheOtter> Two penises?
2008-03-20 08:30 < Stormscape> tubgirl can produce some serious mental damage.
2008-03-20 08:30 < TheOtter> brb#
2008-03-20 08:30 < Leslie_S> Stormscape and 2girls1cup cant?
2008-03-20 08:30 < Stormscape> A screencapture can't
2008-03-20 08:30 < Stormscape> You'd need the full video
2008-03-20 08:31 < Leslie_S> Stormscape you could probably find a way to transclude the video
2008-03-20 08:31 < AmA> Main Page 136036288/day :o
2008-03-20 08:31 < Stormscape> That'd be too much effort.
2008-03-20 08:31 < AmA> http://stats.grok.se/en/top
2008-03-20 08:31 * TheOtter can't think of anything more disturbing than genetic damage in people living in areas of toxic emissions
2008-03-20 08:31 < Stormscape> TheOtter: Chernobyl.
2008-03-20 08:31 < quanticle> TheOtter: Tubgirl
2008-03-20 08:32 < TheOtter> and other genetic problems
2008-03-20 08:32 < quanticle> I'm pretty sure Tubgirl is more disturbing than "genetic damage in people living in areas of toxic emissions".
2008-03-20 08:32 < TheOtter> and I'm disabled myself, so I'm not easily shocked
2008-03-20 08:32 < Stormscape> TheOtter: Being the guy inside Chernobyl Nuclear Power Planet 3 who broke it and caused it to blow up.
2008-03-20 08:32 < TheOtter> heh
2008-03-20 08:33 < TheOtter> I don't want to see tubgirl, not interested
2008-03-20 08:33 < quanticle> Stormscape: I'm pretty sure that guy died. Soviet reactors weren't as heavily shielded as American ones, so, when the reactor blew, the control room got pretty well irradiated.
2008-03-20 08:34 < Stormscape> Well he died because the plant turned into a smoking radioactive pile.
2008-03-20 08:34 < TheOtter> yea, he first got out, then broke down outside and died
2008-03-20 08:34 < Lycurgus> I found the pic of a girl taking a regular dump that I flagged here some months ago worse than tubgirl. Something about the raggedy excreta.
2008-03-20 08:34 < TheOtter> few people actually died from the explosion
2008-03-20 08:34 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Say no more...
2008-03-20 08:34 < quanticle> TheOtter: Yeah. It was mainly the radiation.
2008-03-20 08:34 < Stormscape> Haven't you seen the footage of the Soviets trying to build the concrete tomb? Plant Number 3 looked like a bomb went off
2008-03-20 08:34 < TheOtter> most people died while vomiting their guts out a couple of minutes later
2008-03-20 08:35 < quanticle> Most of the firefighters on the first day died of radiation poisoning.
2008-03-20 08:35 < Lycurgus> hey good idea. Everybody say no more.
2008-03-20 08:35 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Nope, just you.
2008-03-20 08:35 < Stormscape> If the wind had been blowing east that day
2008-03-20 08:35 < TheOtter> the people who were on the roof, their average lifespan after that was two weeks
2008-03-20 08:35 < Stormscape> It could have been extremely bad
2008-03-20 08:35 < Stormscape> The radioactive fallout would have hit Moscow
2008-03-20 08:35 < quanticle> Ah.
2008-03-20 08:35 < quanticle> Chernobyl was west of Moscow?
2008-03-20 08:35 < TheOtter> maybe they'd told people more quickly that way
2008-03-20 08:35 < quanticle> I thought it was south...
2008-03-20 08:36 < Stormscape> It's in Eastern Ukraine
2008-03-20 08:36 < Lycurgus> quanticle: B<
2008-03-20 08:36 < AmA> yes
2008-03-20 08:36 < ideogram> the russians seeded the clouds that passed over Chernobyl so that they would drop their rain on the Ukraine
2008-03-20 08:36 < TheOtter> Chernobyl is SSW of Moscow
2008-03-20 08:36 < Stormscape> ideogram, ah, basically to concentrate the fallout in one zone, right?
2008-03-20 08:36 < TheOtter> ideogram: Citation needed
2008-03-20 08:36 < ideogram> they gave the workers that cleaned up Chernobyl vodka and told them it would protect them
2008-03-20 08:36 < ideogram> no, to save Moscow
2008-03-20 08:36 < quanticle> ideogram: Because if there's one thing the Russians are good at, its screwing over the Ukranians
2008-03-20 08:36 < Stormscape> Well that too
2008-03-20 08:36 < Stormscape> quanticle, amen
2008-03-20 08:36 < Stormscape> I'm 1/8 Ukranian =P
2008-03-20 08:37 < ideogram> I dunno, I read it on the internet
2008-03-20 08:37 < TheOtter> I've seen interviews with the workers, they knew very well how badly protected they were.
2008-03-20 08:37 < TheOtter> that's why they used soldiers, they needed unusual obedience.
2008-03-20 08:37 < quanticle> ideogram: Because if its on the Internet, it must be true!