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2008-03-19 11:48 < Cyrius> you underestimate the ease of access to non-cash money we have today
2008-03-19 11:48 < Lucifer_Cat> well the discussion is about ON them in pockets
2008-03-19 11:48 < Cyrius> simplification for television
2008-03-19 11:49 < mexicanbanana> Possibly they went home and got it during a scene cut, but still...
2008-03-19 11:49 < mexicanbanana> How can they OWN that much money?
2008-03-19 11:49 < Cyrius> because they didn't live in a debt-ridden society plagued by purchasing of crap
2008-03-19 11:49 < ThePolecat> especially in cash
2008-03-19 11:49 < Lucifer_Cat> Cyrius: not really, ppl still didnt use plastic currency in india till i was there cpl years ago
2008-03-19 11:49 < Cyrius> you wanted a horse, you saved your money
2008-03-19 11:49 < ThePolecat> because most assets were in real estate
2008-03-19 11:50 < mexicanbanana> I think many people had their savings as cash in the maddrass.
2008-03-19 11:50 < mexicanbanana> There were banks, you know..
2008-03-19 11:50 < ThePolecat> well yea, but smaller sums
2008-03-19 11:50 < ThePolecat> to buy fodder and stuff
2008-03-19 11:50 < Lucifer_Cat> bbafterlunch
2008-03-19 11:50 < mexicanbanana> mattress.
2008-03-19 11:50 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-03-19 11:51 < The359> oy, all the weirdos come out of the woodwork when someone dies
2008-03-19 11:52 < Cyrius> clarke?
2008-03-19 11:52 < The359> yes
2008-03-19 11:52 < The359> Some people don't seem to think the Mirror's article about him was made up
2008-03-19 11:52 < ThePolecat> Well, it's *particularly* sci-fi, really.
2008-03-19 11:53 < unstable> Is there a way to anonymously add a page to wikipedia?
2008-03-19 11:53 < The359> no
2008-03-19 11:53 < The359> well, sort of
2008-03-19 11:53 < The359> You can request an article
2008-03-19 11:53 < The359> But someone else will write it for you
2008-03-19 11:53 < ThePolecat> ...that brings out such people
2008-03-19 11:53 < unstable> I wanted to make a page, but not link it back to me. I used tor and half a dozen proxies..but all say unauthorized.
2008-03-19 11:54 < unstable> hmm, what about people who have valuable information but want to contribute anonymously?
2008-03-19 11:54 < The359> why don't you want it linked to you?
2008-03-19 11:54 < The359> And what sort of article do you want to contribute?
2008-03-19 11:55 < unstable> I prefer it not to be linked back to me, for my safety and peace.
2008-03-19 11:56 < unstable> It's irrelevant what the article is about.
2008-03-19 11:56 < mexicanbanana> So nobody knows?
2008-03-19 11:56 < unstable> I'll find somewhere else to post it. maybe it will trickle around and eventually get on wikipedia.
2008-03-19 11:56 < The359> yes, it is relevant what the article is about
2008-03-19 11:56 < The359> Because if you somehow "fear for youe safety and peace"
2008-03-19 11:57 < The359> then there is likely to be trouble with the article
2008-03-19 11:57 < Cyrius> wikipedia is about verifiable information
2008-03-19 11:57 < The359> and we should know
2008-03-19 11:57 < ThePolecat> and it's not about OR either
2008-03-19 11:57 < zvook> just make a username, then you're all but anonymous
2008-03-19 11:57 < unstable> I can link to reputable sources, news outlets etc.
2008-03-19 11:57 < ThePolecat> so "whistleblowing" of any sort is not appropriate
2008-03-19 11:57 < The359> What is the article about?
2008-03-19 11:57 < The359> it's a simple question
2008-03-19 11:57 < Cyrius> then it's public information already
2008-03-19 11:57 < unstable> I prefer not to mention what the article is about.
2008-03-19 11:57 < Gracenotes> The359: I'm sure he'd tell you in private correspondence
2008-03-19 11:58 < Gracenotes> maybe. But talking about it in a public channel probably isn't a good idea.
2008-03-19 11:58 < ThePolecat> Arthur C. Clarke-related conspiracies?
2008-03-19 11:58 < ThePolecat> whatever
2008-03-19 11:58 < zvook> it's none of The359's business what it is about
2008-03-19 11:58 < zvook> he's just being a dick.
2008-03-19 11:58 < The359> I'm sure he can't pm it, if he's not registered
2008-03-19 11:58 < The359> ....what?
2008-03-19 11:58 < Gracenotes> it's rather unfortunate that Tor has been blocked on Wikipedia, given its initial intentions.
2008-03-19 11:58 * Cyrius puts $0.02 on [[pedophilia]]
2008-03-19 11:59 < The359> I think it's more then a reasonable question, zvook
2008-03-19 11:59 < zvook> yeah, to ask once
2008-03-19 11:59 < unstable> I'm registered with nickserv.
2008-03-19 11:59 < The359> Then don't say it's not my business, if I can ask it once
2008-03-19 11:59 < unstable> nevermind, I'll find somewhere else. wikileaks or something, I don't want to violate wikipedia TOS, I understand why the policy is in place.
2008-03-19 11:59 < Gracenotes> unstable: may I suggest OTRS? Instead of the nosy people you're likely to find here.
2008-03-19 12:00 < Cyrius> they're nosy too, just privately so
2008-03-19 12:00 < Gracenotes> yes, but for this kind of issue the distinction is important
2008-03-19 12:00 < The359> I don't think it's nosy, I just think that an article which would cause someone to fear for their safety for writing it is a suspect article so as it is
2008-03-19 12:00 < mexicanbanana> Why is my scale showing my different numbers every time I weigh myself?
2008-03-19 12:01 < Gracenotes> mexicanbanana: you're positioning yourself differently each time?
2008-03-19 12:01 < mexicanbanana> Why would that matter?
2008-03-19 12:01 < mexicanbanana> And no, I try to stand properly.
2008-03-19 12:01 < The359> how often are you weighing yourself
2008-03-19 12:01 < mexicanbanana> Several times in a row.
2008-03-19 12:01 < mexicanbanana> Always different numbers.
2008-03-19 12:01 < mexicanbanana> Almost always.
2008-03-19 12:01 < The359> air in your lungs?
2008-03-19 12:02 < unstable> safety doesn't imply just physical harm, and I never used the word "fear"
2008-03-19 12:02 < unstable> Safety is the state of being "safe" (from French sauf), the condition of being protected against physical, social, spiritual, financial, political, emotional, occupational, psychological, educational or other types or consequences of failure, damage, error, accidents, harm or any other event ...
2008-03-19 12:02 < unstable> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety
2008-03-19 12:02 < Gracenotes> The359: and there's no reason why *you* specifically need to know, anyway
2008-03-19 12:02 < The359> ...
2008-03-19 12:02 < The359> I wasn't asking for me
2008-03-19 12:02 < The359> I was asking for the sake of Wikipedia
2008-03-19 12:02 < The359> in general
2008-03-19 12:02 < mexicanbanana> The359: I just tried with and without air -- same weight.
2008-03-19 12:02 < The359> and I didn't say physical either, unstable
2008-03-19 12:02 < Gracenotes> ah, an official representative of the Wikimedia Foundation. never mind, then
2008-03-19 12:03 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-03-19 12:03 < The359> That's not what I meant and you know it, Gracenotes
2008-03-19 12:08 < Lady_Aleena> Hello...can someone please restore the history of a category for me?
2008-03-19 12:09 < Lady_Aleena> deleted category that is?
2008-03-19 12:09 < Cyrius> done.
2008-03-19 12:09 < zvook> heh
2008-03-19 12:09 * Cyrius grows weary of questions that leave out the important part
2008-03-19 12:09 < Lady_Aleena> The category is Category:Wikipedians interested in television by genre
2008-03-19 12:10 < Cyrius> meh, no history worth having
2008-03-19 12:10 < Lady_Aleena> I need to see who did what after its creation
2008-03-19 12:10 < ThePolecat> Wait, people are interested in sorting television programmes in a certain way?
2008-03-19 12:11 < Cyrius> nobody, it was just you
2008-03-19 12:11 < Cyrius> you created it, you added a template
2008-03-19 12:11 < Cyrius> no other edits
2008-03-19 12:11 < Lady_Aleena> So there was no CFD at all?
2008-03-19 12:11 < Cyrius> 21:12, 17 March 2008 Jc37 (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Category:Wikipedians interested in television by genre" (C1: Empty category)
2008-03-19 12:12 * zvook is interested in television by genre
2008-03-19 12:12 < Lady_Aleena> So, to DFR I do.
2008-03-19 12:12 < Lady_Aleena> I go.
2008-03-19 12:13 * Yert wave to Leslie_S
2008-03-19 12:13 * Lady_Aleena is extremely annoyed.
2008-03-19 12:13 < mavhc> if a tv show is only in 1 genre it probably sucks
2008-03-19 12:13 < ThePolecat> Category:Bad television show
2008-03-19 12:13 < Cyrius> Lady_Aleena: then calm down before dealing with it
2008-03-19 12:14 < zvook> sup krimp
2008-03-19 12:15 < Krimpet> hello :)
2008-03-19 12:15 < Lady_Aleena> Cyrius, the one who deleted the category, emptied it first. That is why I am annoyed.
2008-03-19 12:15 < Cyrius> Lady_Aleena: I know, but calm down anyway
2008-03-19 12:15 < Lady_Aleena> I will be writing up my dfr off line, which will hopefully cool my blood.
2008-03-19 12:16 < ThePolecat> good luck
2008-03-19 12:16 < ThePolecat> brb
2008-03-19 12:18 < Lady_Aleena> Cyrius: Could you look at the history of Category:Wikipedians interested in non-fiction television and tell me what happened there?
2008-03-19 12:19 < ThePolecat> whats ACF Regionals?
2008-03-19 12:19 < zvook> quizbowl
2008-03-19 12:19 < Cyrius> Jc37 and "empty category" again
2008-03-19 12:19 < ThePolecat> Oh, okay
2008-03-19 12:19 < zvook> US collegian thing
2008-03-19 12:20 < Lady_Aleena> This is getting more annoying.
2008-03-19 12:20 < Lady_Aleena> I cleaned the parent up, and now this person is coming along and making a royal mess behind me.
2008-03-19 12:21 * Lady_Aleena still writing.
2008-03-19 12:22 < Golbez> well that's just plain beautiful: http://i26.tinypic.com/5pw7o.jpg
2008-03-19 12:24 < Golbez> it's almost taller than the KVLY-TV mast!
2008-03-19 12:25 < ThePolecat> bacl
2008-03-19 12:25 < ThePolecat> l=k
2008-03-19 12:25 < ThePolecat> tall buildings that stand free scare me.
2008-03-19 12:26 < ThePolecat> KVLY-TV even more than this one though
2008-03-19 12:26 < Golbez> i think in that picture it's at around 156 floors
2008-03-19 12:27 < ThePolecat> I like our month-to-month series of pictures
2008-03-19 12:27 < ThePolecat> concerning the burj
2008-03-19 12:27 * IceKarma parachutes in:
2008-03-19 12:27 < IceKarma> the Burj al-Dubai?
2008-03-19 12:28 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-03-19 12:28 < ThePolecat> just the progress
2008-03-19 12:28 < IceKarma> where would one find the series of pictures?
2008-03-19 12:28 < ThePolecat> on the WP article?
2008-03-19 12:29 < ThePolecat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Dubai#Gallery
2008-03-19 12:29 < ThePolecat> this one
2008-03-19 12:32 < Golbez> current height is 624m
2008-03-19 12:32 < Golbez> KVLY-TV is ... 628m
2008-03-19 12:33 < Golbez> the real milestone will be when it crosses 646m
2008-03-19 12:34 < Yert> How tall is it?
2008-03-19 12:34 < Golbez> the Burj Dubai? presently 624m
2008-03-19 12:34 < Golbez> Final height estimated around 818m
2008-03-19 12:34 < Cyrius> what's special about 646m?
2008-03-19 12:34 < mavhc> right, we've built the tallest building ever, now let's stick something really tall on top
2008-03-19 12:34 < Golbez> 646m was the height of the Warsaw radio mast, the tallest structure ever built
2008-03-19 12:34 < Golbez> which collapsed in 1991
2008-03-19 12:35 < Cyrius> ah
2008-03-19 12:35 < mavhc> that's a big radio
2008-03-19 12:36 < Golbez> "The signals from its 2 megawatt transmitters could be received across all of Europe, North Africa and even in North America."
2008-03-19 12:36 < ShakespeareFan00> 646m - Is halfway to the sky :)
2008-03-19 12:36 < Yert> Golbez: Soviet engineering?
2008-03-19 12:36 < Golbez> Probably. Built in 1974.
2008-03-19 12:38 < zvook> that article has the word "supertall" in the lead
2008-03-19 12:39 < zvook> is that a technical expression for structures above a certain height?
2008-03-19 12:40 < Golbez> actually yes
2008-03-19 12:40 < zvook> never came across that before. sounds like slang.
2008-03-19 12:40 < Golbez> it's used to differentiate between 'normal' skyscrapers, and ones over 300m/1000ft in height
2008-03-19 12:40 < zvook> i see
2008-03-19 12:40 < Golbez> maybe not technical, but it is in vastly high usage
2008-03-19 12:40 < The359> I know there's been a big debate in the automotive articles over the use of "supercar"
2008-03-19 12:40 < The359> instead of sportscar
2008-03-19 12:41 < Golbez> this might be a similar argument, yeah
2008-03-19 12:41 < zvook> supercar i am familiar with from car shows and the like
2008-03-19 12:41 < Golbez> except there's apparently no challenge to the term 'supertall'. it's a useful term!
2008-03-19 12:41 < The359> except there is no real classification for what makes a supercar
2008-03-19 12:41 < The359> so they seem to be wanting to eliminate the term from all car articles
2008-03-19 12:41 < Golbez> skyscraper can be any tall steel building
2008-03-19 12:42 < Golbez> the first 'skyscraper' was only ten stories tall
2008-03-19 12:42 < ShakespeareFan00> It's a supercar when Clarkson says it is ;)
2008-03-19 12:42 < The359> any tall building with an elevator, I believe
2008-03-19 12:42 < The359> or is an elevator not required?
2008-03-19 12:42 < Golbez> elevator not so much required, more the load-bearing structural frame
2008-03-19 12:42 < Yert> The359: Lots of 2 story buildings have elevators.
2008-03-19 12:43 < The359> I know, I meant that tall buildings may not necessarily have an elevator
2008-03-19 12:43 < The359> and hence might not be a skyscraper
2008-03-19 12:43 < Golbez> so to differentiate between those and the truly tall - ones over 300m/1000ft, starting with the Chysler Building - the term 'supertall' is used.
2008-03-19 12:44 < Golbez> aww, Chrysler is no longer the 2nd tallest building in New York?
2008-03-19 12:44 < Golbez> I mean, it was sad when it had that sudden and tragic jump from 4th to 2nd
2008-03-19 12:45 < The359> what's taller now?
2008-03-19 12:45 < Golbez> the new Bank of America Tower
2008-03-19 12:45 < The359> ah
2008-03-19 12:45 < Golbez> completion scheduled for 2009
2008-03-19 12:45 < The359> I saw that last time I was in NYC
2008-03-19 12:45 < Golbez> but the spire has been raised and it's structurally done
2008-03-19 12:45 < Golbez> however
2008-03-19 12:45 < Golbez> it has only 54 floors
2008-03-19 12:45 < Golbez> cheaters.
2008-03-19 12:45 < The359> although I seem to recall they're actually building two towers for Bank of America right now
2008-03-19 12:46 < The359> or at least Bank of America something
2008-03-19 12:46 < The359> a slightly different name
2008-03-19 12:46 < Golbez> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/Height_Comparison.png
2008-03-19 12:46 < Golbez> it still astonishes me just how big Empire State is. Not just height, but it's bulky too.
2008-03-19 12:51 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-03-19 12:51 < Ceiling_Cat> (MOAR KATZ!)
2008-03-19 12:51 < Gracenotes> no.
2008-03-19 12:53 * SynergeticMag yawns
2008-03-19 12:53 < SynergeticMag> Lady_Aleena: dinner was great, danke!
2008-03-19 12:54 < SynergeticMag> even though it was an unknown "noodly" substance
2008-03-19 12:55 < SynergeticMag> Apple: congrats
2008-03-19 12:56 < SynergeticMag> names?
2008-03-19 12:56 < SynergeticMag> er name*
2008-03-19 12:57 < gwern> 'I recall with unrelenting clarity the beast we secured in a humane trap, rolling and sucking air in its madness, placed on the table in a mockery of polite dinner. It had a musky, unhallowed scent like some primeval mustard, its yellow teeth so long that it could not close its own mouth. Threading its ten fine fingers around the bars, it cried out "We crawl, we swim! We nest and gnaw! We are WE, AND WE DEVOUR!"'
2008-03-19 12:57 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Synergetic_Cat
2008-03-19 12:58 < gwern> 'I was able to piggyback on Gabriel's growing fascination with the World of Warcraft version though, without a tremendous investment on my part via the Molten Core Raid Deck. Essentially another game "mode" altogether, players don't compete head to head but cooperate against this deck. They construct their decks in a synergistic way, which is pretty much the exact opposite of the base game, and sends them back to the shoebox for cards they might not ...
2008-03-19 12:58 < gwern> ... have used otherwise. They must not have synergized sufficiently, because they were annihilated. "If you can't stand the heat," I suggested helpfully, " you should stay out of my subterranean magma pools."'
2008-03-19 13:00 * Ceiling_Cat is your hirsuit tectalic god
2008-03-19 13:01 < gwern> hirsuit?
2008-03-19 13:01 < zvook> tectalic?
2008-03-19 13:01 < Ceiling_Cat> hirsuit = furry
2008-03-19 13:01 < Ceiling_Cat> tectalic = of or related to the roof
2008-03-19 13:02 * gwern suggests 'hirsute'
2008-03-19 13:03 < gwern> [[hirsute]], even
2008-03-19 13:03 < Ceiling_Cat> meh, IRC isn't the best place to criticize spelling
2008-03-19 13:03 < Ceiling_Cat> (or live text chats in general)
2008-03-19 13:03 < mexicanbanana> Was USA really the world's first democratic nation? Obama seemed to imply that in his speech (currently watching it).
2008-03-19 13:04 < Ceiling_Cat> mexicanbanana - unless you count ancient greece, yes
2008-03-19 13:04 < Ceiling_Cat> although democracy comes in shades of grey too
2008-03-19 13:04 < mexicanbanana> Really?
2008-03-19 13:04 < mexicanbanana> How could it go so long?
2008-03-19 13:04 < Ceiling_Cat> England had some democratic trappings starting wit the magna carta
2008-03-19 13:04 < Ceiling_Cat> but wasn't really a democracy until they re-organized parliament in 1911
2008-03-19 13:04 < mexicanbanana> Hmm...
2008-03-19 13:05 < mexicanbanana> This I admit is new to me.
2008-03-19 13:05 < Thehelpfulone2> congrats to Apple` :)
2008-03-19 13:05 < zvook> ancient greece didn't let the slaves and wimmin vote, did they?
2008-03-19 13:05 < mexicanbanana> So didn't USA, no?
2008-03-19 13:05 < mexicanbanana> In the beginning?
2008-03-19 13:05 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: it is when you make a point of using vocab
2008-03-19 13:06 < zvook> mexicanbanana: tr00
2008-03-19 13:06 < Ceiling_Cat> mexicanbanana - greece had both chattel slavery
2008-03-19 13:06 < Ceiling_Cat> and indentured servitude
2008-03-19 13:06 < Ceiling_Cat> so did the US until the civil war
2008-03-19 13:06 < mexicanbanana> tr00?
2008-03-19 13:06 < mexicanbanana> What is that cryptic code supposed to mean?
2008-03-19 13:07 < Ceiling_Cat> BRB - need to send a fax
2008-03-19 13:07 < mexicanbanana> zvook: ?
2008-03-19 13:08 < zvook> mexicanbanana: true
2008-03-19 13:10 < epsi> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Adrenaline.svg <-- Does anyone know what program was used to make this?
2008-03-19 13:10 < epsi> or other chemical structure svg images
2008-03-19 13:14 < Kagee> epsi: I guess you could make it using Inkscape or Windows Notepad (Gedit / kate)
2008-03-19 13:15 * SynergeticMag returns to find hes been hugged
2008-03-19 13:15 < Cyrius> epsi: there's no mention of a program in the SVG source
2008-03-19 13:15 < Cyrius> possibly hand-made
2008-03-19 13:18 * Ceiling_Cat returns from sending the fax
2008-03-19 13:18 < Ceiling_Cat> ok, so the first time, they gave me the wrong fax #
2008-03-19 13:18 < Ceiling_Cat> the second time, their fax machine didn't print the second page (the most important page) correctly
2008-03-19 13:18 * Yert faxes Ceil
2008-03-19 13:18 < Ceiling_Cat> let's hope third time is teh charm
2008-03-19 13:18 < Yert> * Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-19 13:19 * Yert faxes trousers
2008-03-19 13:19 * SynergeticMag pokes Ceiline_Cat
2008-03-19 13:19 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Synergetic_Cat
2008-03-19 13:19 < mavhc> fax? how quaint
2008-03-19 13:20 < Ceiling_Cat> mavhc - how are you supposed to email signatures?
2008-03-19 13:20 < mavhc> are you making a historical documentary?
2008-03-19 13:20 < Ceiling_Cat> (they needed a signed document)
2008-03-19 13:20 * zvook sends a telex to prussia post-haste
2008-03-19 13:20 < mavhc> digital signatures, triv
2008-03-19 13:20 < SynergeticMag> O.0
2008-03-19 13:20 < mavhc> real signatures are pointless, just scan them and copy them
2008-03-19 13:20 < SynergeticMag> ok thius sucks, where are the visual faces?
2008-03-19 13:20 < SynergeticMag> 0.o
2008-03-19 13:20 < SynergeticMag> ack
2008-03-19 13:20 * SynergeticMag hides
2008-03-19 13:20 < mavhc> if anyone asks for headed paper, personal details or signatures as proof of something I steal from them on principle
2008-03-19 13:21 < Ceiling_Cat> mavhc - hehe, my thesis needs to be printed on watermarked paper
2008-03-19 13:22 < Ceiling_Cat> the bookstore sells it at jacked up prices
2008-03-19 13:22 < mavhc> well, that's slightly better, but why not just digitally sign it?
2008-03-19 13:22 < mavhc> oh
2008-03-19 13:22 < Ceiling_Cat> where a normal ream of white paper costs $3, the thesis paper (watermarked bond pape, 25% cotton) cost $15 per ream
2008-03-19 13:22 < mavhc> lasts longer though
2008-03-19 13:23 < mavhc> you still have to print them out? what subject are you doing, english?
2008-03-19 13:23 < CrazySane> Any sysops around at the moment?
2008-03-19 13:23 < Ceiling_Cat> CrazySane - there are always ops in here, both of the IRC and Wikipedia variety
2008-03-19 13:23 < Cyrius> you'll have to be more specific
2008-03-19 13:23 * Ceiling_Cat points at Cyrius
2008-03-19 13:23 * CrazySane smiles
2008-03-19 13:24 * Cyrius suspects this is going to be more tooth pulling
2008-03-19 13:24 < CrazySane> I'm looking for an exception to the "username look alike policy" (or something of the like.)
2008-03-19 13:25 * ThePolecat had to hand in an electronic version only once
2008-03-19 13:25 < ThePolecat> and I was graded on the quality of printing each time.
2008-03-19 13:26 < Cyrius> and?
2008-03-19 13:26 < ThePolecat> I thought we were talking about how having papers in anything but e-format was medieval
2008-03-19 13:27 * SynergeticMag like to reopen cans of worms
2008-03-19 13:27 < CrazyPhunk> hello
2008-03-19 13:27 < CrazySane> Who shall I talk to about getting an admin created username?
2008-03-19 13:28 < Cyrius> admin-created username? we can do that?
2008-03-19 13:28 < Lucifer_Cat> shame on you Cyrius
2008-03-19 13:28 < The359> Your user name is CuteMcGiggles
2008-03-19 13:28 < CrazyPhunk> I have a bot problem, can somebody help me?
2008-03-19 13:29 < Lucifer_Cat> haha whats with all the Crazies on here
2008-03-19 13:29 < Cyrius> "a bot problem" is rather vague
2008-03-19 13:29 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9W5u11V7LM
2008-03-19 13:29 < ThePolecat> maybe he has a vague problem
2008-03-19 13:29 < CrazyPhunk> I get this error when i try to use image.py: http://pastebin.ca/949275
2008-03-19 13:29 < Ceiling_Cat> I saw that on the daily show last night
2008-03-19 13:29 < Ceiling_Cat> crazy
2008-03-19 13:30 < Lucifer_Cat> hey Crazy_Cat
2008-03-19 13:31 < Lucifer_Cat> reasoning being that a cat that hangs from ceilings cant be particularly sane
2008-03-19 13:32 < Cyrius> he lives in the ceiling
2008-03-19 13:32 < ThePolecat> you pick big enemies
2008-03-19 13:32 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-03-19 13:33 < Lucifer_Cat> he lives in the ceiling, and i live in the basement... and never the twain shall meet
2008-03-19 13:33 < Cyrius> CrazyPhunk: I guess nobody here knows anything about the bot software
2008-03-19 13:33 < CrazyPhunk> i guess
2008-03-19 13:33 < Ceiling_Cat> oh noes
2008-03-19 13:33 < Ceiling_Cat> basement_cat, my arch enemy
2008-03-19 13:33 < Ceiling_Cat> Let this be our final battle
2008-03-19 13:34 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah!! lets!!!
2008-03-19 13:34 * Lucifer_Cat stretches, yawns, rolls up under the heater and falls asleep
2008-03-19 13:34 < Lucifer_Cat> ITS ON
2008-03-19 13:36 < noclip> bahahahahaha
2008-03-19 13:36 < noclip> BD+ has been cracked
2008-03-19 13:36 < noclip> take that, sony
2008-03-19 13:38 < Ceiling_Cat> put a request on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_username/Usurpations
2008-03-19 13:39 < Ceiling_Cat> note the bolding - "In order to ensure that usurped usernames be put to good use, we prefer only to grant requests from reasonably well-established users."
2008-03-19 13:39 < CrazySane> alright, thanks
2008-03-19 13:40 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-19 13:41 < Mole2> Hi everyone. I need advice on a matter of taste.
2008-03-19 13:41 < Mole2> I am writing the docs for a template I created. Would be it be okey or over the top if the docs said the this as a description for one of the code examples?:
2008-03-19 13:41 < Mole2> "Too make this example complete, here is the rest of the bling-bling that is needed to make it a fully pimped template:"
2008-03-19 13:41 < Mole2> I thought it would put a smile on the readers of the booring template docs.
2008-03-19 13:42 < Cyrius> there are humorless dicks who will remove it
2008-03-19 13:43 < Mole2> Cyrius: Yeah, I know. Even though it is only for editors eyes, and not for article use.
2008-03-19 13:44 < Mole2> I should perhaps add it just to see how long it lasts. :))
2008-03-19 13:44 < Mole2> Like a test to see if people really reat the docs all the way down to the last example. :)
2008-03-19 13:44 < Mole2> *read
2008-03-19 13:45 * Mole2 suddenly gets evil plans to add really ugly spelling errors close to the end of his template docs to see if people read them properly. :)
2008-03-19 13:49 * Mole2 ponders if he should wikify [[bling-bling]] in his template docs.
2008-03-19 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Wales needs to think about the special attributes he -- and he alone -- brings to the Wikipedia brand. Wales is becoming known as a stud to end all studs, having bedded women around the world on Wikipedia-promoting junkets. Three words: user-generated condoms. Imagine the sum of all human knowledge unrolling before her eyes. Pick the right article to put on your article, and she'll edit herself right into your history. And worry not -- they're as r
2008-03-19 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> http://valleywag.com/369002/where-would-you-put-the-wikipedia-logo
2008-03-19 13:57 < Ceiling_Cat> amusing, but on a more serious note, I'm becoming more and more convinced that valleywag are just a bunch of douches who make things up
2008-03-19 13:57 < Ceiling_Cat> sort of a cross between an unfunny version of The Onion and Andrew Orlowksi's obsession with Wikipedia
2008-03-19 13:57 < zvook> yeah gardner was pretty convincing about the amsterdam story
2008-03-19 13:57 < zvook> more than she was about Mr. Wales's cheque writing
2008-03-19 13:58 < zvook> she kinda dodged that one in the notthewikipediaweekly chat with you et al
2008-03-19 13:59 < Ceiling_Cat> speaking of which
2008-03-19 13:59 < Ceiling_Cat> what do you guys think of NTWW?
2008-03-19 13:59 < zvook> i just heard that particular one, i enjoyed it
2008-03-19 13:59 < zvook> PM does a pretty good job.
2008-03-19 13:59 < SynergeticMag> Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship.2Fnshesh
2008-03-19 13:59 < Ceiling_Cat> he's a natural host
2008-03-19 13:59 < SynergeticMag> [[Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship.2Fnshesh]]
2008-03-19 13:59 < SynergeticMag> ugh
2008-03-19 14:00 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship.2Fnshesh
2008-03-19 14:00 < SynergeticMag> wonderful
2008-03-19 14:00 * SynergeticMag goes back to drinking
2008-03-19 14:00 * Ceiling_Cat goes back to watching Synergetic_Cat
2008-03-19 14:02 < [swb]> good evening wikipedians
2008-03-19 14:02 * SynergeticMag hiccups
2008-03-19 14:02 < SynergeticMag> is that even spelled right?
2008-03-19 14:03 < Ceiling_Cat> hello [swb]
2008-03-19 14:04 < [swb]> is there a corect way to spell wikipedians?
2008-03-19 14:04 < [swb]> hullo Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-19 14:05 < SynergeticMag> too many cats
2008-03-19 14:05 < SynergeticMag> not enough dogs
2008-03-19 14:05 < Ceiling_Cat> SynergeticMag - We've adopted most of the cats up for adoption in #wikimedia-cats
2008-03-19 14:05 < [swb]> its because cats are better
2008-03-19 14:06 < SynergeticMag> :/
2008-03-19 14:06 < Viper550> I've noticed something odd
2008-03-19 14:07 < Ceiling_Cat> that we need MOAR KATZ?!
2008-03-19 14:07 < SynergeticMag> me too, you haven't stated what you found odd...
2008-03-19 14:07 < SynergeticMag> and thats odd
2008-03-19 14:08 < Viper550> I swear I saw an image on the Italian wikipedia with a noncommercial license
2008-03-19 14:09 < SynergeticMag> oh, i thought you were going to say you looked out the window and cat's were falling
2008-03-19 14:09 < SynergeticMag> or something similar
2008-03-19 14:10 < Viper550> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:DesktopBSD-Logo.svg
2008-03-19 14:10 < Viper550> Does the Italian Wikipedia have anything like WP:NFCC?
2008-03-19 14:10 < Mole2> [swb]: Yes, I believe you spelled "wikipedians" the right way.
2008-03-19 14:11 < [swb]> Mole2, awesome
2008-03-19 14:11 < Mole2> [swb]: When in doubt, do the Google test to check the spelling.
2008-03-19 14:11 < SynergeticMag> Viper550: there should be
2008-03-19 14:11 < [swb]> I suppose, but I recently searched for simons cat and it recomended simpsons cat
2008-03-19 14:12 < Viper550> ironically, the only reason that tag was created, was to tag images of DesktopBSD logos. ONLY it.
2008-03-19 14:12 < Mole2> [swb]: Well, the project internal article about wikipedians on enwp is named: [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians]]
2008-03-19 14:13 < SynergeticMag> well tell them in German, that its unacceptable
2008-03-19 14:13 < Mole2> Haha, it also suggests "wikipedists". :))
2008-03-19 14:13 < Ceiling_Cat> Seasons don't fear the reaper
2008-03-19 14:13 < Mole2> "Wikipedist" sounds like a dentist or something.
2008-03-19 14:13 < SynergeticMag> thats b/c "seasons" are a non entity
2008-03-19 14:14 < SynergeticMag> incapable of fear
2008-03-19 14:14 < SynergeticMag> :)
2008-03-19 14:14 * Lucifer_Cat huggles SynergeticMag
2008-03-19 14:14 * SynergeticMag doesn't know how many more hug's he can take
2008-03-19 14:14 < [swb]> Mole2, nuff said
2008-03-19 14:15 < Lucifer_Cat> i sure could use a hug atm, irl.
2008-03-19 14:15 * Mole2 goes back to editing and hopes [swb] isn't to confused about all the gory cat(egory) stuff going on in here.
2008-03-19 14:15 < SynergeticMag> i trained my dog to give me hugs
2008-03-19 14:15 < Lucifer_Cat> Mole2: you mean cat-orgy?
2008-03-19 14:15 < SynergeticMag> and my cat can do it
2008-03-19 14:15 < SynergeticMag> slightly
2008-03-19 14:15 < Mole2> Lucifer_Cat: Ouch! :)
2008-03-19 14:15 < Lucifer_Cat> my sisters cat did that...
2008-03-19 14:16 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Lucifer_Cat
2008-03-19 14:16 < SynergeticMag> but my cat wont respond Pavlovian, hint hint
2008-03-19 14:16 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - Therapist_Cat was also huggling you in the cat channel
2008-03-19 14:16 < Lucifer_Cat> haha i felt it :P
2008-03-19 14:16 < Messedrocker> oh thank god
2008-03-19 14:16 < Messedrocker> that was my gcn controller not my soda
2008-03-19 14:17 < Ceiling_Cat> of course you did - nobody can resist the advances of Therapist_Cat
2008-03-19 14:17 < Lucifer_Cat> dropped it on something?
2008-03-19 14:17 < Messedrocker> i heard something fall off my shelf
2008-03-19 14:18 < Cyrius> /nick Serious_Cat
2008-03-19 14:20 * Ceiling_Cat NP - [[I Can See Clearly Now]]
2008-03-19 14:21 < Lucifer_Cat> new glasses?
2008-03-19 14:21 < Cyrius> lorraine is gone
2008-03-19 14:22 * Lucifer_Cat NP - [[I can see for miles - The Who]]
2008-03-19 14:23 < bumm13> Lorraine was the old code name for the project that became the Amiga computer :)
2008-03-19 14:23 < Viper550> but hey, Italian Wikipedia has a centralized Creative Commons tag
2008-03-19 14:24 < Ceiling_Cat> but does it have lots of cats?
2008-03-19 14:24 < Viper550> no, it's all rounded everywhere and the protected/talk/userpages have a different background color
2008-03-19 14:26 < Arwen> grammar check: which of the following is right?
2008-03-19 14:26 < Arwen> he said "purple?"
2008-03-19 14:26 < Arwen> he said "purple"?
2008-03-19 14:26 < Lucifer_Cat> was the guy asking the Q or was the person saying it asking the Q
2008-03-19 14:26 < SynergeticMag> omg
2008-03-19 14:27 < SynergeticMag> when will this be over?
2008-03-19 14:27 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/A_More_Perfect_Union
2008-03-19 14:27 < Lucifer_Cat> as in if 'he' was asking, then its 'Purple?'
2008-03-19 14:27 < SynergeticMag> this is getting absurd
2008-03-19 14:27 < SynergeticMag> i'm about to close that a second time
2008-03-19 14:28 < Viper550> SNOWBALL'D already
2008-03-19 14:28 < SynergeticMag> eh?
2008-03-19 14:28 < SynergeticMag> oh
2008-03-19 14:29 < Viper550> you can do the honors
2008-03-19 14:29 < SynergeticMag> no, i already did
2008-03-19 14:29 < SynergeticMag> it was taken to DRV this morning
2008-03-19 14:29 < SynergeticMag> reopened per DRV
2008-03-19 14:29 < SynergeticMag> there still isnt a real reason to delete
2008-03-19 14:29 < SynergeticMag> my close is way at the top
2008-03-19 14:29 < SynergeticMag> its hidden
2008-03-19 14:29 < Viper550> I see
2008-03-19 14:29 < Messedrocker> the sad thing about Jeremiah Wright is that he's completely right
2008-03-19 14:30 < Messedrocker> we WERE attacked out of revenge for taking sides and doing stuff
2008-03-19 14:30 < Messedrocker> it's a shame his sermon was so negatively expressed
2008-03-19 14:31 * SynergeticMag wonders why old oatmeal still smells good
2008-03-19 14:31 < Messedrocker> well, is it going to go rotten?
2008-03-19 14:31 < Messedrocker> it's just oats
2008-03-19 14:32 < SynergeticMag> no, its like, 6 hours old
2008-03-19 14:32 < SynergeticMag> but shouldnt it have a more pungent odar?
2008-03-19 14:32 < SynergeticMag> it still smells edibale
2008-03-19 14:32 < SynergeticMag> edible rather
2008-03-19 14:33 < Messedrocker> why would it?
2008-03-19 14:33 < Messedrocker> as i said, it's just oats
2008-03-19 14:33 < Messedrocker> it's not meat or anything
2008-03-19 14:33 < SynergeticMag> wait, i put my nose in the bowl
2008-03-19 14:33 < SynergeticMag> it stinks
2008-03-19 14:33 < Messedrocker> throw it out then
2008-03-19 14:34 * SynergeticMag throws the bowl out too
2008-03-19 14:35 < Messedrocker> couldn't you have just washed it?
2008-03-19 14:37 < gwern> oats last a long time
2008-03-19 14:38 < gwern> I ate some oats this morning that I bought a couple months ago; they were fine
2008-03-19 14:39 < SynergeticMag> no, these oats were already moistened and half ate
2008-03-19 14:39 < SynergeticMag> the bowl must go
2008-03-19 14:40 < ThePolecat> I MADE AN OAT COOKIE
2008-03-19 14:40 < ThePolecat> AND YOU EATED IT
2008-03-19 14:40 * Lady_Aleena giggle.
2008-03-19 14:41 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: waste
2008-03-19 14:41 < Lucifer_Cat> how old are you?
2008-03-19 14:41 * Lady_Aleena ponders creating a slew of Wikipedian categories just to irk the deletionists, and giggles some more.
2008-03-19 14:41 < SynergeticMag> not so
2008-03-19 14:41 < SynergeticMag> me?
2008-03-19 14:42 < SynergeticMag> how old am i?
2008-03-19 14:42 < Lucifer_Cat> yeah
2008-03-19 14:42 < ShakespeareFan00> LAdy_ALeena: WP:POINT
2008-03-19 14:42 < SynergeticMag> 28
2008-03-19 14:42 < ThePolecat> don't disrupt WP to make a point
2008-03-19 14:42 < ThePolecat> precisely
2008-03-19 14:42 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: shame
2008-03-19 14:42 < SynergeticMag> hey, i'm a deletionist
2008-03-19 14:42 < Lady_Aleena> ShakespeareFan00: I said I was pondering it, pondering does not always lead to doing. :)
2008-03-19 14:42 < SynergeticMag> shame? why?
2008-03-19 14:42 < SynergeticMag> i never liked that bowl
2008-03-19 14:42 < SynergeticMag> it gave me evil thoughts
2008-03-19 14:42 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: excuses
2008-03-19 14:43 < ShakespeareFan00> Yeah but your were thinking about it
2008-03-19 14:43 < ShakespeareFan00> that implies you have such thoughts
2008-03-19 14:43 < SynergeticMag> ok, i'll be more careful next time, oh protector of bowls
2008-03-19 14:43 < SynergeticMag> :)
2008-03-19 14:43 < ShakespeareFan00> Please report for re-education ;)
2008-03-19 14:43 < Lucifer_Cat> lol im just against wasteful behavior
2008-03-19 14:43 < Lady_Aleena> ShakespearFan00: Yes, but I can control my urges most of the time since I am mostly harmless.
2008-03-19 14:43 < SynergeticMag> well, i ate the oats
2008-03-19 14:43 < Lucifer_Cat> that too half jokingls
2008-03-19 14:43 < ThePolecat> yay for thoughtcrime!
2008-03-19 14:43 < SynergeticMag> most of it
2008-03-19 14:43 < ThePolecat> We cannot run that risk.
2008-03-19 14:44 < Lucifer_Cat> what kind of bowl was it?
2008-03-19 14:44 < ThePolecat> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-jaguar-van-woman.jpg
2008-03-19 14:44 < ThePolecat> kik
2008-03-19 14:44 < ThePolecat> lol
2008-03-19 14:44 < SynergeticMag> Lady_Aleena: you're not harmless
2008-03-19 14:44 < Lucifer_Cat> "kik" haha
2008-03-19 14:44 < SynergeticMag> Lucifers_Cat: a black, evil bowl
2008-03-19 14:44 < SynergeticMag> that was dirty
2008-03-19 14:44 < ThePolecat> öpö!
2008-03-19 14:44 < Lady_Aleena> SynergeticMag: Whyfor you say that? *blinks*
2008-03-19 14:44 < Lucifer_Cat> material?
2008-03-19 14:44 < SynergeticMag> filled with oatmeal
2008-03-19 14:44 < SynergeticMag> old oatmeal
2008-03-19 14:44 < SynergeticMag> the kind i wont eat
2008-03-19 14:44 < Lucifer_Cat> OF the damn bowl
2008-03-19 14:45 < SynergeticMag> Lady_Aleena: oh no reason
2008-03-19 14:45 < SynergeticMag> i'm a deletionist, so i deleted the bowl
2008-03-19 14:45 * Lady_Aleena is mostly harmless. She really really is.
2008-03-19 14:45 < SynergeticMag> per OR
2008-03-19 14:45 < Lucifer_Cat> ceramic/clay/china/steel/aluminium/glass/carbon fiber/pvc?
2008-03-19 14:45 < Lady_Aleena> ROTFL
2008-03-19 14:45 < SynergeticMag> Lady_Aleena: your dinner gave me heart burn
2008-03-19 14:45 < ThePolecat> Except on the full moon?
2008-03-19 14:45 < Lady_Aleena> Not my fault.
2008-03-19 14:46 < SynergeticMag> ok look! i didnt throw it away
2008-03-19 14:46 < Lucifer_Cat> she was born a werewolf... not her fault.
2008-03-19 14:46 * SynergeticMag takes it out of the trash and into the sink
2008-03-19 14:46 < SynergeticMag> Bejesus!
2008-03-19 14:46 < Lucifer_Cat> >_<
2008-03-19 14:46 < Lucifer_Cat> SynergeticMag: dirty
2008-03-19 14:46 < SynergeticMag> i'll wash it later
2008-03-19 14:47 * Lady_Aleena merges things.
2008-03-19 14:47 < Lucifer_Cat> taking it outta the trash = dirty
2008-03-19 14:47 < SynergeticMag> :/
2008-03-19 14:47 * Lady_Aleena mixes her vegatables with the mashed potatoes.
2008-03-19 14:47 < Lucifer_Cat> anyways, not throwing away reusable stuff = good for the environment and good for the pocket.
2008-03-19 14:47 * Lady_Aleena can't spell, brain still fried from yesterday.
2008-03-19 14:47 * SynergeticMag can't trust anything Lady_Aleena cooks
2008-03-19 14:48 < Lucifer_Cat> i learnt that when i threw out my lunch box last sem and had to buy a new one now when i didnt really have a lot of $$
2008-03-19 14:48 < Lady_Aleena> I make a good chicken soup. It warms the soul.
2008-03-19 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> ok, time to go home
2008-03-19 14:48 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-03-19 14:48 < SynergeticMag> its not reusable if its in my trash can
2008-03-19 14:48 < zvook> what was yesterday?
2008-03-19 14:48 < SynergeticMag> bye Ceiline_Cat
2008-03-19 14:48 < Lucifer_Cat> tuesday
2008-03-19 14:48 < SynergeticMag> uh, i mean Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-19 14:48 < Lucifer_Cat> she could never get the hang of tuesdays
2008-03-19 14:48 < zvook> they can be tricky
2008-03-19 14:49 < ThePolecat> *Ohio Express - Yummy
2008-03-19 14:49 < Lady_Aleena> zvook: I did a major edit to a rough draft yesterday that left me a bit phazed.
2008-03-19 14:49 * ThePolecat has a bubblegum retrospective
2008-03-19 14:49 < SynergeticMag> zvook: yesterday was pasta with a noodly substance
2008-03-19 14:49 < Lady_Aleena> SynergeticMag: It was noodley stuff with a cheesy substance.
2008-03-19 14:50 < SynergeticMag> see also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flying_Spaghetti_Monster
2008-03-19 14:50 * SynergeticMag hides
2008-03-19 14:50 < bumm13> heh
2008-03-19 14:50 * Lady_Aleena seeks.
2008-03-19 14:51 * SynergeticMag locates private chat
2008-03-19 14:51 * SynergeticMag takes bowl out of sink
2008-03-19 14:51 * SynergeticMag puts it in lucifers trash
2008-03-19 14:51 < ThePolecat> Seek and ye shall ...err...seek some more, then give up.
2008-03-19 14:52 * Lady_Aleena puts the bowl into the [[User:Lady Aleena/Dishwasher|dishwasher]].
2008-03-19 14:53 < SynergeticMag> thats actually [[User:Lady Aleena/Dishwasher/dishwasher]]
2008-03-19 14:53 < SynergeticMag> forward slashes
2008-03-19 14:53 < ThePolecat> WP:NOT - Dishwasher
2008-03-19 14:53 < ThePolecat> no it's not
2008-03-19 14:53 < SynergeticMag> no but anything goes in userspace
2008-03-19 14:53 * SynergeticMag trumps
2008-03-19 14:53 < ThePolecat> the syntax was ok
2008-03-19 14:54 < ThePolecat> bluelinks to User:LA/Dishwasher
2008-03-19 14:54 < SynergeticMag> i say it wasnt
2008-03-19 14:54 < ThePolecat> text is "dishwasher"
2008-03-19 14:54 < SynergeticMag> you mean redlinks
2008-03-19 14:54 < ThePolecat> *Middle of the Road - Soley Soley
2008-03-19 14:54 < ThePolecat> no
2008-03-19 14:55 < Lady_Aleena> I was wondering if I could create a doppleganger account.
2008-03-19 14:55 < SynergeticMag> yup
2008-03-19 14:55 < ThePolecat> pocksuppetry
2008-03-19 14:56 < Lady_Aleena> It would be for shortcuts and that's it. I would not edit with that account ever.
2008-03-19 14:56 < SynergeticMag> yeah but you should have it only so that other cant
2008-03-19 14:57 < Lady_Aleena> That is also a concern.
2008-03-19 14:57 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Doppelganger
2008-03-19 14:57 < SynergeticMag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Username_policy#Doppelganger_accounts
2008-03-19 14:58 < Lady_Aleena> I was thinking that there might be a process in which I had to ask permission or some such.
2008-03-19 14:58 < Lady_Aleena> Guess not.
2008-03-19 14:58 < Ionas_Freeman> hi
2008-03-19 14:58 < SynergeticMag> no, just use good edit summaries
2008-03-19 14:58 < SynergeticMag> and add that template
2008-03-19 14:59 < SynergeticMag> everything should be fine
2008-03-19 14:59 < ThePolecat> I don't know why folk songs always feature wine as a benchmark for sweetness!
2008-03-19 14:59 * ThePolecat dislikes sweet wine
2008-03-19 15:00 * SynergeticMag goes to grab his cig's
2008-03-19 15:00 < ThePolecat> "you're as fresh as a cigarette" would be about as weird
2008-03-19 15:03 < Lady_Aleena> I can't log back in!
2008-03-19 15:05 < Lady_Aleena> Seriously, I can't get back in at all.
2008-03-19 15:07 < Lady_Aleena> What in the hell is going on here? I can't log back into my account.
2008-03-19 15:08 < SynergeticMag> uh, exit the browser
2008-03-19 15:08 < SynergeticMag> restart com
2008-03-19 15:08 < SynergeticMag> try that
2008-03-19 15:09 < SynergeticMag> com = computer :)
2008-03-19 15:09 < Lady_Aleena> I start with just restarting the browser
2008-03-19 15:12 < SynergeticMag> hmm?
2008-03-19 15:13 < SynergeticMag> if that doesnt work, you may need to restart your whole computer
2008-03-19 15:13 < SynergeticMag> might be a technical glitch