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2008-03-18 16:32 < Mike_H> the French don't like everyone
2008-03-18 16:32 < Mike_H> etc.
2008-03-18 16:32 < cimon> Even the Canadians sneer at the quebeqois
2008-03-18 16:32 < Rayhou> We Finns don't like the Swedes, and especially not the Russians
2008-03-18 16:32 < zocky> Mike_H, greeks don't like anybody
2008-03-18 16:32 < Mike_H> zocky: Oh, that reminds me
2008-03-18 16:32 < Mike_H> you're from Slovenia
2008-03-18 16:32 < Mike_H> which country do you all not like?
2008-03-18 16:32 < Mike_H> is it something lame like Croatia?
2008-03-18 16:32 < ThePolecat> We are supposed to dislike the French.
2008-03-18 16:33 < ThePolecat> Which is lame, because it's an excellent country
2008-03-18 16:33 < cimon> Rayhou, there is a difference though. the russians because of the threat, the swedes because of the remembrance of an inferiority relationship.
2008-03-18 16:33 < zocky> Mike_H, austria and italy traditionally, currently mostly croatia for daily political reasons, though we love their sea
2008-03-18 16:33 < Rayhou> I know.
2008-03-18 16:33 < ThePolecat> they don't like the Italians and the Austrians
2008-03-18 16:33 < NotASpy> ThePolecat: of course it's an excellent country, it's got direct road, rail, air and sea links out of it.
2008-03-18 16:33 < ThePolecat> hah
2008-03-18 16:33 < mavhc> you rolled a 7, you now hate Sweeden
2008-03-18 16:33 < Mike_H> zocky: Oh, that's true
2008-03-18 16:33 < Mike_H> Italy has Trieste
2008-03-18 16:33 < Mike_H> and isn't Slovenia supposed to have it?
2008-03-18 16:33 < ThePolecat> Brecht said that once about Augsburg
2008-03-18 16:33 < cimon> zocky: the greeks hold a special spot in their hearts for turks though...
2008-03-18 16:33 < zocky> yes, and austria has carinthia
2008-03-18 16:34 < Mike_H> zocky: Well, you all have
2008-03-18 16:34 < Mike_H> Lublana
2008-03-18 16:34 < zocky> and hungary has some slovenian villages, and croatia has a part of istria that should be slovenian, etc.
2008-03-18 16:34 < Mike_H> or whatever that city is
2008-03-18 16:34 < ThePolecat> "Oh, I like Augsburg, it has a great train to Munich."
2008-03-18 16:34 < Mike_H> wait
2008-03-18 16:34 < Mike_H> I can spell it
2008-03-18 16:34 < Mike_H> if I try
2008-03-18 16:34 < Mike_H> Ljubljana
2008-03-18 16:34 < Mike_H> did I get it right?
2008-03-18 16:34 < zocky> everybody has territory that rightfully belongs to everybody else
2008-03-18 16:34 < zocky> Mike_H, yes
2008-03-18 16:34 * ThePolecat has always gotten to like those he was supposed to hate
2008-03-18 16:35 < Mike_H> how is it pronounced?
2008-03-18 16:35 < ThePolecat> so I'm moving on
2008-03-18 16:35 < Mike_H> lyoob-lyana?
2008-03-18 16:35 < ThePolecat> close.
2008-03-18 16:35 < zocky> when you see the "LJ" combination, it's either scandinavian or south slavic
2008-03-18 16:35 < zocky> Mike_H, yeah, good enough
2008-03-18 16:35 < Mike_H> zocky: I figured it wasn't luh-joob-luh-jah-nah
2008-03-18 16:35 < zocky> Mike_H, the locals just say "lublana"
2008-03-18 16:35 < ThePolecat> Except of course in two different syllables
2008-03-18 16:35 < ThePolecat> "Karljohann Müller"
2008-03-18 16:35 < ThePolecat> or something
2008-03-18 16:36 < Mike_H> rofl Karljohann
2008-03-18 16:36 < ThePolecat> but that doesn't count
2008-03-18 16:36 < Mike_H> that's as bad as CariDee
2008-03-18 16:36 * ThePolecat used to know someone called Karlhans
2008-03-18 16:36 < ThePolecat> but yea, it's bad
2008-03-18 16:37 < ThePolecat> while hyphenation is a usual practice with names that are commonly used together
2008-03-18 16:37 < ThePolecat> such as Karl-Heinz
2008-03-18 16:37 < Mike_H> CariDee English (born May 22, 1985[2] in Fargo, North Dakota) is an American fashion model of Norwegian ancestry. In December 2006 she won Cycle 7 of America's Next Top Model.
2008-03-18 16:37 < Mike_H> That doesn't shock me, most people in North Dakota are either Swedes or Norwegians
2008-03-18 16:37 < Mike_H> if they're not actual Native Americans
2008-03-18 16:37 < ThePolecat> Shame on me for not expecting her to be white.
2008-03-18 16:38 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: rofl
2008-03-18 16:38 < Mike_H> she is white!
2008-03-18 16:38 < Rayhou> German is known for excessive use of consonants. Can any German give me a hilarious koonzonantisch example?
2008-03-18 16:38 < ThePolecat> I thought those inline capitalizations was something black people did
2008-03-18 16:38 < Mike_H> She's stereotypically North Dakotan, Miss Tall and Plain
2008-03-18 16:38 < Mike_H> with blonde hair and big blue eyes
2008-03-18 16:38 < Mike_H> her article says green though
2008-03-18 16:38 < Mike_H> I'm pretty sure they're blue
2008-03-18 16:38 < ThePolecat> Rayhou: No, only vowel-rich words to kill the stereotype
2008-03-18 16:38 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-03-18 16:38 < The359> There's a North Dakota stereotype?
2008-03-18 16:39 < Mike_H> The359: It's pretty much analogous to the Minnesota/Wisconsin stereotypes
2008-03-18 16:39 * ThePolecat thought names like LaShaniqua and DaMarcus was something endemic in the black community
2008-03-18 16:39 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: CariDee isn't a really bad name. A lot of people up there have uncommon names
2008-03-18 16:39 < Mike_H> like "Janelle"
2008-03-18 16:39 < ThePolecat> "uncommon" as in "made up on the spot"
2008-03-18 16:40 < Mike_H> kmccoy went to high school in Minnesota with three Janelles.
2008-03-18 16:40 < ThePolecat> I was commenting on the inline capitalization especially.
2008-03-18 16:40 < Rayhou> The Polecat: consonants are nice. If they are just piled next to each other like in German, it's impossible to pronounce.
2008-03-18 16:40 < ThePolecat> I didn't know that had spread
2008-03-18 16:40 < ThePolecat> it's not impossible :-P
2008-03-18 16:40 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: One of whom is a famous Janelle now
2008-03-18 16:40 < Mike_H> [[Janelle Pierzina]]
2008-03-18 16:40 * ThePolecat looks for his Streichholzschächtelchen
2008-03-18 16:40 < Rayhou> holy! :O what is that?
2008-03-18 16:41 < Mike_H> cimon: See, Pierzina is a pretty Polish name
2008-03-18 16:41 < Mike_H> it has a z in it and everything
2008-03-18 16:41 < ThePolecat> yea, as I said, I just didn't know the inline capital letters were common among white folks
2008-03-18 16:41 < ThePolecat> Rayhou: It means "little matchbox"
2008-03-18 16:41 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: It isn't really. It's more common among the Lutherans, they name their kids weird shit.
2008-03-18 16:41 < Rayhou> :S
2008-03-18 16:41 < ThePolecat> hm
2008-03-18 16:41 < ThePolecat> it's the diminutive of "Streichholzschachtel"
2008-03-18 16:42 < ThePolecat> "Streichholz" being the wood (holz) that you strike (streichen)
2008-03-18 16:42 < ThePolecat> Schachtel meaning box
2008-03-18 16:42 < Rayhou> theres a famous Finnish vowel full word: hääyöaie
2008-03-18 16:42 < ThePolecat> heh
2008-03-18 16:42 < Mike_H> Pierzina was born in Grand Rapids, Minnesota to parents Kevin Pierzina and Ann Pierzina-Killian. Pierzina graduated from Grand Rapids High School in 1998, and attended the University of Minnesota Duluth, but did not graduate. Prior to Big Brother, Pierzina was an actress, a model, and a waitress.
2008-03-18 16:42 * ThePolecat heard that there's an Estonian word jäääärne meaning "edge of the ice"
2008-03-18 16:43 < cimon> yes, seven consecutive vowels and "h" which is only half a consonant at best.
2008-03-18 16:43 < cimon> Hääyöaie is literally "nuptial intention".
2008-03-18 16:44 < Mike_H> o rly?
2008-03-18 16:44 < cimon> yes, quite really
2008-03-18 16:44 < cimon> not a word often used outside of making note of the vowels
2008-03-18 16:45 < ThePolecat> the pronounciation of Pierzina is ['pjɛʒina]
2008-03-18 16:45 < ThePolecat> (roughly)
2008-03-18 16:45 < ThePolecat> Polish really is the French of Slavic
2008-03-18 16:46 < Rayhou> u> finnish has those, tho but when a word ending with the same vowel the next on begins we put a line when combined: sää-äärimmäisyys for example (weather extremity)
2008-03-18 16:46 < Rayhou> stupid word, but can't think of anything else now
2008-03-18 16:46 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-03-18 16:46 < ThePolecat> after spelling reform we now have a couple compounds with three consecutive s
2008-03-18 16:47 < ThePolecat> which some people find ugly
2008-03-18 16:47 < Mike_H> zocky: I found an article on Ken Lee
2008-03-18 16:47 < Mike_H> but it sucks
2008-03-18 16:47 < Mike_H> and needs to be edited badly
2008-03-18 16:47 < ThePolecat> and other rows of three identical consonants
2008-03-18 16:48 < Rayhou> in German? :O
2008-03-18 16:48 < Mike_H> zocky: would you be interested in actually making it an okay article?
2008-03-18 16:48 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-03-18 16:48 < zocky> Mike_H, not today... too much work
2008-03-18 16:48 < ThePolecat> This place smells like lignite :-/
2008-03-18 16:49 * Mike_H sings Ken Lee to ThePolecat
2008-03-18 16:49 * ThePolecat does not dare ask who Ken Lee is
2008-03-18 16:49 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: A contestant sang "Ken Lee" on Music Idol
2008-03-18 16:49 < Mike_H> the Bulgarian version of Idol.
2008-03-18 16:49 < ThePolecat> oh
2008-03-18 16:49 < Mike_H> It was a butchering of the words "can't live," which is from the Mariah Carey song "Without You"
2008-03-18 16:50 < ThePolecat> it's called Germany Seek The Super Star here
2008-03-18 16:50 < ThePolecat> :-D
2008-03-18 16:50 < ThePolecat> *seeks
2008-03-18 16:50 < ThePolecat> "then she lit up a Ken doll/and she showed me the way..."
2008-03-18 16:51 < ThePolecat> and it seems to me you lived your life like a Ken doll in the wind
2008-03-18 16:51 < Mike_H> ThePolecat: rofl
2008-03-18 16:51 < Mike_H> American Idol is in the finals here now
2008-03-18 16:51 < Mike_H> and then after American Idol ends
2008-03-18 16:51 < Rayhou> Can anyone suggest me a cool and active WikiProject :S ?
2008-03-18 16:51 < Mike_H> Canadian Idol starts to the north
2008-03-18 16:51 < Mike_H> they make sure not to conflict at any time
2008-03-18 16:51 < jerusalemboogie> Rayhou: Doctor Who project
2008-03-18 16:51 < NotACow> it has been so long since i wrote a parser by hand.
2008-03-18 16:52 < Rayhou> Well, TBH I'm not a huge fan of TV-shows/moviews, sorry
2008-03-18 16:52 < ThePolecat> READ MY LIPS, PARSER
2008-03-18 16:52 < ThePolecat> READ MY LIPS, NO NEW HEXES
2008-03-18 16:52 < Mike_H> cimon: Does Finland have an Idol show?
2008-03-18 16:52 < Rayhou> yes
2008-03-18 16:52 < Rayhou> you mean like the "American Idol"
2008-03-18 16:52 < Mike_H> What's it called, just Idol?
2008-03-18 16:52 < Rayhou> "Idols"
2008-03-18 16:52 < cimon> yes, though the first one like that was Popstars
2008-03-18 16:53 < shimgray> it's called "Idol", but they spell it with five 'u's and four 'k's
2008-03-18 16:53 < Rayhou> ^^
2008-03-18 16:53 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-03-18 16:53 < Mike_H> and it ends in -nen
2008-03-18 16:53 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-03-18 16:53 < Rayhou> Iduukkuukksnen
2008-03-18 16:53 < Ningyou> wat
2008-03-18 16:53 < Mike_H> Ningyou: We're making fun of Finnish
2008-03-18 16:53 < ThePolecat> Ämerikänäksinen Eidel!
2008-03-18 16:53 < cimon> Mike_H, the Popstars program already has graduated it's first band member to go solo and become a creditable artist in her own right [[Jenni Vartiainen]] - a very cool dudette.
2008-03-18 16:54 < Mike_H> cimon and Rayhou, your fellow countrymen, are taking part
2008-03-18 16:54 < Mike_H> join in!
2008-03-18 16:54 < shimgray> I sent something to Tampere the other day. The (street?) address had four u's in it. I was delighted.
2008-03-18 16:54 < Ningyou> Mike_H: oh, ok, carry on
2008-03-18 16:54 < Rayhou> http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idols
2008-03-18 16:54 < Mike_H> cimon: We had Popstars for two seasons here
2008-03-18 16:54 < Mike_H> it was not very successful
2008-03-18 16:54 < shimgray> two k's, three n's... I had to take about four tries to spell it right.
2008-03-18 16:54 < ThePolecat> No singen on the Scheinthrowerlighten
2008-03-18 16:55 < ThePolecat> yay for mock German
2008-03-18 16:55 < NotACow> fick.
2008-03-18 16:55 < Mike_H> Apparently Popstars has run for six seasons in Germany
2008-03-18 16:55 < ThePolecat> HERR IN HIMMEL, VERE IS ZIS SHVEINEHUNDT?
2008-03-18 16:56 < Mike_H> we had two seasons, the first one was somewhat successful, the second one bombed completely
2008-03-18 16:56 < ThePolecat> it was dreadful and the market was sated.
2008-03-18 16:56 < Mike_H> The only reality shows that have had any staying power on US TV are
2008-03-18 16:56 < Mike_H> Survivor, Big Brother, American Idol, The Amazing Race, and America's Next Top Model
2008-03-18 16:56 < Ningyou> reality shows suck ass.
2008-03-18 16:56 < ThePolecat> no more placen on the programmenschedüle
2008-03-18 16:56 < Mike_H> they're in their 16th, 9th, 7th, 13th, and 10th installments
2008-03-18 16:56 < Mike_H> respective.
2008-03-18 16:56 < Ningyou> well, amazing race was somewhat enjoyable
2008-03-18 16:57 * ThePolecat platzt
2008-03-18 16:57 < ThePolecat> the succession "tzt" should be pretty rare outside Germany as well
2008-03-18 16:57 < Mike_H> sorry, we're only finished with Amazing Race 12
2008-03-18 16:57 < Mike_H> 13 is the next one
2008-03-18 16:57 < cimon> Mike_H, http://www.ksml.fi/multimedia/dynamic/00014/5551315_jpg_14079c.jpg
2008-03-18 16:57 < Rayhou> they air lots of that stuff here, and some Finnish versions are made :(
2008-03-18 16:58 < cimon> Mike_H, tell me she doesn't look wicked?
2008-03-18 16:58 < Mike_H> Is that the Jenni girl?
2008-03-18 16:58 < cimon> yes
2008-03-18 16:58 < Mike_H> She reminds me of the mom from Gilmore Girls
2008-03-18 16:58 < cimon> yes indeed
2008-03-18 16:58 < cimon> with a bit more of wicked thrown in
2008-03-18 16:58 < ThePolecat> "platzst du?"
2008-03-18 16:59 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-18 16:59 < ThePolecat> oh wenn du doch quöllst
2008-03-18 16:59 < ThePolecat> Ich quölle mit dir!
2008-03-18 16:59 < Mike_H> cimon: Gilmore Girls was an okay show
2008-03-18 16:59 < ThePolecat> *quöllte
2008-03-18 16:59 < Mike_H> but I liked Providence better
2008-03-18 17:00 < Mike_H> Did they air Providence overseas? I don't even know
2008-03-18 17:00 < cimon> Mike_H, she did an astonishingly good performance as a demonic nun catholic school teacher in a music video for the finnish band Sturm & Drang... whose music anyone should do their best to catch, those teenagers really rock.
2008-03-18 17:00 < Mike_H> Providence was an NBC television series starring Melina Kanakaredes. The show ran from January 8, 1999, until December 20, 2002, for five seasons.
2008-03-18 17:00 < Rayhou> Germans, history: during the GDR period, which cities were renamed? I only know Karl-Marx stadt and Wilhelm-Pieck stadt
2008-03-18 17:00 < Mike_H> The show revolved around Dr. Sydney Hansen (played by Kanakaredes), who wished to leave her glamorous job in Beverly Hills as a plastic surgeon for the rich, so she could return to her hometown of Providence, Rhode Island, and be with her family.
2008-03-18 17:00 < shimgray> damn. Arthur C. Clarke's dead.
2008-03-18 17:01 < ThePolecat> Rayhou: There was a Stalinstadt which was swiftly remained
2008-03-18 17:01 < cimon> shimgray, not exactly a shockingly premature death that, though, to be honest.
2008-03-18 17:01 < ThePolecat> and then some more inofficial namings
2008-03-18 17:01 < shimgray> cimon: yeah, 90 and fairly ailing.
2008-03-18 17:01 < ThePolecat> like Thomas-Müntzer-Stadt after the leader of the Peasant Wars
2008-03-18 17:01 < shimgray> but... still. the last of the big names of that generation of writers.
2008-03-18 17:01 < Mike_H> cimon: Did Providence air in Finland? There's an "international" listing on the article
2008-03-18 17:02 < Mike_H> but Finland isn't there
2008-03-18 17:02 < Rayhou> What do they do in Providence? doesn't sound familiar
2008-03-18 17:02 < Mike_H> it aired in every other Scandinavian country though.
2008-03-18 17:02 < Mike_H> Rayhou: scroll up, I copied some of it over
2008-03-18 17:02 < cimon> shimgray, i NEVER GOT TO meet Arthur C. Clarke, because he was already tied to the wheelchair when I begun traveling to international conventions...
2008-03-18 17:02 < cimon> sorry about the caps
2008-03-18 17:03 < ideogram> Clarke invented communications satellites and call screening.
2008-03-18 17:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Son of a bitch
2008-03-18 17:03 < Mike_H> Providence had one of the best TV theme songs
2008-03-18 17:03 < Ceiling_Cat> now that tucker is cancelled
2008-03-18 17:03 < cimon> and the space elevator
2008-03-18 17:03 < Mike_H> it was The Beatles' "In My Life"
2008-03-18 17:03 < Ceiling_Cat> they brought back joe scarborough
2008-03-18 17:03 < ThePolecat> Stalinstadt and Pieck-Stadt were pretty close to each other
2008-03-18 17:03 < Mike_H> sung by one of my favorite singers
2008-03-18 17:03 < Ceiling_Cat> grrrr.....
2008-03-18 17:03 < Mike_H> Chantal Kreviazuk
2008-03-18 17:03 < ThePolecat> I bet they didn't have the kid keyboard solo!
2008-03-18 17:04 < Rayhou> I don't recall a show like that. I don't think it was aired here
2008-03-18 17:04 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: He was our representative before he was ever on TV.
2008-03-18 17:04 < Mike_H> How do you think we feel?
2008-03-18 17:04 < cimon> shimgray, they really should now name something in space after Sir Arthur...
2008-03-18 17:04 < ThePolecat> Whenever I watch Tucker Carlson I feel bad about being a bowtie wearer.
2008-03-18 17:04 < Mike_H> Scarborough remarried in October 2001 to Susan Waren, a former Congressional staff member. They live in Pensacola with their daughter Kate and his two sons, Joey and Andrew.[27]
2008-03-18 17:05 < Mike_H> Well, whenever he isn't in New York or whatever, I guess.
2008-03-18 17:05 < cimon> shimgray, I was personally royally pissed off when there was the whole "gay flap" about giving Arthur C. Clarke the knighthood.
2008-03-18 17:05 < cimon> That was a piece of crap.
2008-03-18 17:05 < PovAddict> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIMTOWTDI <- this doesn't look like a "design" stub... but I'm not sure what would be the best category
2008-03-18 17:05 < PovAddict> "Software engineering"? maybe something about programming *languages*?
2008-03-18 17:06 < ThePolecat> weird, there's no bowtie photo of Tucker in the article
2008-03-18 17:07 < Ceiling_Cat> Mike_H - he's a huge dick
2008-03-18 17:07 < Ceiling_Cat> I dislike him intensely (but not quite as much as Tucker)
2008-03-18 17:07 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: He was a huge change, though
2008-03-18 17:07 < Mike_H> from the former establishment in my part of Florida
2008-03-18 17:07 < Mike_H> all old men
2008-03-18 17:07 < Mike_H> say what you will about Scarborough's beliefs, he's the hippest youngest thing to ever happen to Republican politics in the Florida Panhandle
2008-03-18 17:08 < cimon> Tucker is a turd. (sorry, but it is true)
2008-03-18 17:08 < Mike_H> he played the electric guitar at the RNC.
2008-03-18 17:08 < Mike_H> I mean
2008-03-18 17:08 < Mike_H> that should say something.
2008-03-18 17:08 < Ceiling_Cat> Lee Atwater played the guitar
2008-03-18 17:08 < Ceiling_Cat> and he was out-and-out evil
2008-03-18 17:08 < cimon> Kinsley is a weasel, but Tucker is a turd.
2008-03-18 17:08 < Ceiling_Cat> (he was republican too)
2008-03-18 17:08 < Ceiling_Cat> For those who do not recognize the name: Atwater was a trusted advisor of U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. He was also a political mentor and close friend of Karl Rove. Atwater invented or improved upon many of the techniques of modern electoral politics, including promulgating reputation-destroying rumors. His opponents have characterized him as the "happy hatchet man"[1] and "the Darth Vader of the Republican party".
2008-03-18 17:09 < cimon> Mike_H, your namesake Huckabee plays in Capitol Offence.
2008-03-18 17:09 < Ceiling_Cat> Atwater was also a musician. He briefly played backup guitar for Percy Sledge during the 1960's, and frequently played with bluesmen such as B.B. King.
2008-03-18 17:09 < Mike_H> cimon: I <3 Huckabees
2008-03-18 17:09 < cimon> Greenspan was a creditable Jazz musician.
2008-03-18 17:10 < cimon> Do not let's mention Sonny Bono in this channel Ick! Ptui! Spit!
2008-03-18 17:10 < The359> ACK!
2008-03-18 17:10 < The359> Arthur C. Clarke died
2008-03-18 17:10 < The359> :(
2008-03-18 17:10 < Mike_H> cimon: I got you babe.
2008-03-18 17:11 < cimon> The359, somehow I expect to get that noted in this channel by at leas half a dozen people in the next 24 hours...
2008-03-18 17:11 < Mike_H> cimon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB3YS3iLO7w
2008-03-18 17:11 < cimon> nope
2008-03-18 17:11 < Mike_H> nope what?
2008-03-18 17:11 < cimon> Mike_H, it is no use pasting youtube links at me without describing what they are.
2008-03-18 17:11 < ideogram> put it in the topic
2008-03-18 17:11 < ThePolecat> Whoever willingly moves to Palm Springs deserves everything shoveled at him.
2008-03-18 17:12 < Mike_H> cimon: It's the Sonny and Cher Comedy Hour :DD
2008-03-18 17:12 < cimon> Mike_H, I clicked a few of those americas next top model clips, never again...
2008-03-18 17:12 < Mike_H> Sonny and Cher's better :(
2008-03-18 17:13 < cimon> for sufficiently low values of better
2008-03-18 17:14 < Mike_H> cimon: I originally wrote the Sonny and Cher Comedy Hour article :(
2008-03-18 17:14 * The359 will have to dig out 2001 tonight
2008-03-18 17:14 < ThePolecat> yea it's buried quite deeply beneath 2002.
2008-03-18 17:14 < Mike_H> The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour was a variety show that ran on CBS in the United States from August 1971 until May 1974.
2008-03-18 17:14 < The359> I mean in my DVD collection
2008-03-18 17:17 < Mike_H> cimon: They used to rerun Sonny and Cher's comedy hour on TV Land here, but they stopped
2008-03-18 17:19 < Lubaf> I hunger for the flesh of a newbie.
2008-03-18 17:19 < Lubaf> Anybody got some newbies I can eat?
2008-03-18 17:20 * Lubaf doesn't intend to bite them while eating them, merely grind them up into a tasty drink.
2008-03-18 17:20 < Lubaf> Damn.
2008-03-18 17:20 < shimgray> isn't that thirsting for their flesh?
2008-03-18 17:20 < Lubaf> Arthur C. Clarke is dead.
2008-03-18 17:20 < Lubaf> shimgray: True.
2008-03-18 17:20 < shimgray> Yup.
2008-03-18 17:20 < Lubaf> 90.
2008-03-18 17:20 < The359> You're about 5 minutes late, Lubaf ;)
2008-03-18 17:20 < Lubaf> Can't say he wasn't ancient.
2008-03-18 17:20 < shimgray> He had a good run. But... still.
2008-03-18 17:20 < Ceiling_Cat> Oh no :(
2008-03-18 17:21 < shimgray> The359: ten, I beat you to it ;-)
2008-03-18 17:21 < Rayhou> :( The film, Space Odysseu 2001, is a masterpiece
2008-03-18 17:22 < Lubaf> Well, I just logged on.
2008-03-18 17:22 < Lubaf> So I wouldn't know who posted it first.
2008-03-18 17:22 < Lubaf> Larry Niven and Joe Halderman remain. Are there any others?
2008-03-18 17:23 < Lubaf> I doubt it, but it's worth asking.
2008-03-18 17:23 < Ceiling_Cat> that's sad
2008-03-18 17:23 < shimgray> Niven and Haldeman are really the next generation
2008-03-18 17:23 < shimgray> there's none of Clarke's contemporaries left, I think.
2008-03-18 17:24 < Ceiling_Cat> Ursula K. Leguine
2008-03-18 17:24 < The359> * Clarke's three laws:
2008-03-18 17:24 < The359> 1. "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
2008-03-18 17:24 < The359> 2. "The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible."
2008-03-18 17:24 < The359> 3. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
2008-03-18 17:24 < Ceiling_Cat> she's the last of his contemporaries
2008-03-18 17:24 < shimgray> she's that old?
2008-03-18 17:24 < Ceiling_Cat> She's 80-something
2008-03-18 17:24 < shimgray> bloody hell, so she is.
2008-03-18 17:24 < shimgray> 89 this year.
2008-03-18 17:25 < shimgray> ...no
2008-03-18 17:25 < Ceiling_Cat> you fail math
2008-03-18 17:25 < Ceiling_Cat> ;)
2008-03-18 17:25 < Ceiling_Cat> 79
2008-03-18 17:25 < shimgray> 79 this year
2008-03-18 17:25 < shimgray> it's your fault, you said 80 :-P
2008-03-18 17:26 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, she's still Clarke's generation
2008-03-18 17:26 < Ceiling_Cat> along with Asimov
2008-03-18 17:26 < shimgray> yeah, though she did start publishing later
2008-03-18 17:26 < cimon> Did Jack Williamson go already?
2008-03-18 17:26 < ideogram> Asimov, Clarke, Heinlein, the Big Three
2008-03-18 17:26 < shimgray> Williamson died a couple of years ago.
2008-03-18 17:27 < cimon> For a long time Jack Williamson was the oldest one who was really in rudely good health for his age.
2008-03-18 17:27 < shimgray> Pohl!
2008-03-18 17:27 < cimon> Pohl had dementia
2008-03-18 17:27 < shimgray> He's still around, and definitely that generation with no quibbles.
2008-03-18 17:27 < cimon> *has
2008-03-18 17:28 < Lubaf> Well, there's Ray Bradbury, but he's dead to anybody sane.
2008-03-18 17:28 < cimon> Or as Harlan Ellison put it in his characteristic gentle manner: Fred Pohls brains have turned to shit.
2008-03-18 17:28 < Lubaf> The Brain Eater got him.
2008-03-18 17:28 < Lubaf> Ate him right up.
2008-03-18 17:29 < cimon> Lubaf, Also, Ray Bradbury like Ellison, was really known as a child prodigy...
2008-03-18 17:29 < _spider_> kosovo is the heart of serbia!
2008-03-18 17:29 < _spider_> kosovo is the heart of serbia!
2008-03-18 17:29 < Lubaf> I'd say Ellison's less of a child prodigy, and more utter asshole.
2008-03-18 17:30 < cimon> How about that lady who wrote about those dragons (pern or something) ?
2008-03-18 17:30 < Lubaf> He wrote some good stuff, but still. Utter and complete asshole.
2008-03-18 17:30 < Lubaf> cimon: Doesn't count.
2008-03-18 17:30 < Lubaf> Brain Eater got her, as well.
2008-03-18 17:30 < cimon> Lubaf: I am glad you said that and not me. (about Ellison).
2008-03-18 17:31 < cimon> bumm13, a regular troll?
2008-03-18 17:31 < bumm13> not sure
2008-03-18 17:32 < cimon> hmm
2008-03-18 17:32 < The359> All these worlds are yours, except Europa. Attempt no landings there.
2008-03-18 17:33 < The359> Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
2008-03-18 17:33 < zvook> Monkeys shall be our slaves.
2008-03-18 17:33 < rainman-sr> Space Odyssey
2008-03-18 17:34 < shimgray> Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out.
2008-03-18 17:34 < cimon> The359, did you read recently they were able to grow cyanobacteria in lunar soil?
2008-03-18 17:34 < gwern> Arthur C clarke is dead?
2008-03-18 17:34 < gwern> noo...
2008-03-18 17:34 < cimon> What are you doing, Dave?
2008-03-18 17:34 * zvook listens to last week's notthewikipediaweekly
2008-03-18 17:34 < The359> Except for a single, very powerful radio emission aimed at Jupiter the four million year old black monolith has remained completely inert. Its origin and purpose still a total mystery.
2008-03-18 17:35 < gwern> well, I suppose he hasn't really writtenthat much but I'll still miss the inventor of the laws and geostaionary satellites
2008-03-18 17:35 * The359 uses the name TheMonolith on AIM
2008-03-18 17:35 < The359> He did a lot for space elevators as well, gwern
2008-03-18 17:35 < Lycurgus> he's gotta be close
2008-03-18 17:35 < cimon> I wonder what Maverick149 thinks, considering his username is based on the monolith measurements...
2008-03-18 17:35 < The359> and he wrote Childhood's End, Rendezvous with Rama, and the Odyseey series
2008-03-18 17:36 < Lycurgus> is he still in Sri Lanka?
2008-03-18 17:36 < The359> yes Lycurgus
2008-03-18 17:36 < The359> He's been too frail to leave Sri Lanka for many years now
2008-03-18 17:37 < The359> The Ramans do everything in threes.
2008-03-18 17:38 < The359> * I'm sure the universe is full of intelligent life. It's just been too intelligent to come here.
2008-03-18 17:38 < The359> o IRC discussion at Scifi.com (1 November 1996) with Clarke and Gentry Lee
2008-03-18 17:38 < The359> He has great quotes
2008-03-18 17:38 < The359> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke
2008-03-18 17:39 < rainman-sr> ah he just died
2008-03-18 17:39 < shimgray> "The fact that we have not yet found the slightest evidence for life — much less intelligence — beyond this Earth does not surprise or disappoint me in the least. Our technology must still be laughably primitive, we may be like jungle savages listening for the throbbing of tom-toms while the ether around them carries more words per second than they could utter in a lifetime."
2008-03-18 17:39 < Lycurgus> just saw it too!
2008-03-18 17:40 < shimgray> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qLdeEjdbWE
2008-03-18 17:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Record-Setting Child Pilot Dies at 26
2008-03-18 17:40 < Ceiling_Cat> By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI – 1 hour ago
2008-03-18 17:40 < Ceiling_Cat> PITTSBURGH (AP) — Vicki Van Meter, who made headlines in the 1990s for piloting a plane across the country at age 11 and from the U.S. to Europe at age 12, has died, an apparent suicide. She was 26.
2008-03-18 17:41 < Lycurgus> the ether was an unfortunate metaphor, but yeah, my sentiments exactly.
2008-03-18 17:41 < Ceiling_Cat> holy shit
2008-03-18 17:41 < Ceiling_Cat> LONDON -- Film director Anthony Minghella, who made literary works such as "The English Patient," "The Talented Mr. Ripley" and "Cold Mountain" into acclaimed movies, died Tuesday of a hemorrhage following surgery. He was 54.
2008-03-18 17:41 < The359> I remember another young girl who tried to set some flying records, and the news media was all over it
2008-03-18 17:41 < Lycurgus> I think the search for EM signatures of ET satisfies what he's talking about there.
2008-03-18 17:41 < Ceiling_Cat> Is today the day all our celebs die?
2008-03-18 17:42 < The359> Then she crashed and died, killed her father as well, on the record setting flight
2008-03-18 17:42 < Mike_H> Fleeting fame and deaths of people nobody recognizes
2008-03-18 17:42 < shimgray> Lycurgus: why? it's still a common abstract term for the em, well, ambient
2008-03-18 17:42 < Mike_H> they always come in threes!
2008-03-18 17:42 < Lycurgus> who else died?
2008-03-18 17:42 < The359> People should recognize Athur C. Clarke
2008-03-18 17:42 < Lycurgus> EM = electromagnetic
2008-03-18 17:44 < Lycurgus> I see. Clarke is by far the biggest of those names.
2008-03-18 17:44 < JohnReaves> Arthur C. Clarke sounds like Yoda...
2008-03-18 17:44 < Lycurgus> if yoda had a taste for Luke?
2008-03-18 17:44 < The359> ?
2008-03-18 17:45 < The359> what do you mean, Lycurgus?
2008-03-18 17:46 < Lycurgus> I mean me.
2008-03-18 17:46 < Lycurgus> and stuff.
2008-03-18 17:46 < Lycurgus> mean ole me
2008-03-18 17:50 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: It's a good day to die, apparently.
2008-03-18 17:50 * Lubaf slits the wrists of the channel.
2008-03-18 17:51 < DannyLilithborne> can someone tell [[User talk:Jorge Luis Sanchez]] to fuck off and die in a kinder way than I would?
2008-03-18 17:51 * Messedrocker convulses and collapses on Lubaf's lap
2008-03-18 17:51 < Cyrius> "FOAD kthx"
2008-03-18 17:51 < Lubaf> DannyLilithborne: What's wrong with him?
2008-03-18 17:52 < Messedrocker> someday i will make a video game where boxers are fellated by midgets between rounds
2008-03-18 17:53 < DannyLilithborne> Lubaf: well check the history for [[Talk:Yu-Gi-Oh!]]
2008-03-18 17:53 < Lubaf> DannyLilithborne: An asshole?
2008-03-18 17:53 < Lubaf> Hit him with a civility template.
2008-03-18 17:53 < Lubaf> And ask around about a ban.
2008-03-18 17:53 < Messedrocker> or just tell him about how he needs to improve his be-havior
2008-03-18 17:53 * Messedrocker tries to remember if he has history work on his laptop
2008-03-18 17:54 < DannyLilithborne> Lubaf: not so much an asshole
2008-03-18 17:54 < Messedrocker> i have to go to the fucking library in seven minutes for a stupid group project
2008-03-18 17:54 < DannyLilithborne> he posted some vanity shit about how he's an inspiration
2008-03-18 17:54 < DannyLilithborne> and then posted how he only kissed one girl and it was a dog
2008-03-18 17:54 < DannyLilithborne> (obviously someone else)
2008-03-18 17:54 < OvrLrd-Q> well balls, A. C. Clarke died today?
2008-03-18 17:55 < DannyLilithborne> there needs to be a {{uw-nobodycaresaboutyourstupidlife}} template
2008-03-18 17:55 < Messedrocker> DannyLilithborne, that's what non-notability templates are for
2008-03-18 17:56 < DannyLilithborne> well, i'll figure it out, i guess ^.^
2008-03-18 17:56 < DannyLilithborne> when in doubt, blatantvandal
2008-03-18 17:57 < Lubaf> And if young Nigel says he's happy / He must be happy / He must be happy / He must be happy / In his work...
2008-03-18 17:57 < Messedrocker> balls. i have to go now
2008-03-18 17:57 < Cyrius> {{uw-youareboring}}
2008-03-18 17:58 < DannyLilithborne> great
2008-03-18 17:58 < DannyLilithborne> damn LittleKuriboh
2008-03-18 17:58 < Lubaf> DannyLilithborne: What's wrong with The Abridged Series?
2008-03-18 17:59 < Lubaf> Besides being unfunny, of course.
2008-03-18 17:59 < DannyLilithborne> shrugs, i find it funny
2008-03-18 17:59 < DannyLilithborne> just the newest one says "Bandit Keith's middle name is Steve, just check his Wikipedia page"
2008-03-18 18:00 < Lubaf> DannyLilithborne: Ah.
2008-03-18 18:00 < Lubaf> That'd be about right, in America.
2008-03-18 18:01 < Lubaf> DannyLilithborne: I wasn't saying it was unfunny in America, just heading off an obvious complaint in America.
2008-03-18 18:01 * Lubaf stops, as that joke is officially dead.
2008-03-18 18:01 < DannyLilithborne> ^.^
2008-03-18 18:02 < The359> we've had enough death today
2008-03-18 18:02 < The359> kthxbye
2008-03-18 18:08 < Lady_Aleena> Hello again...and again I am looking for a proofreader for an article I have posted again and again. I just got done with another major edit of it adding more references, and now I need it to be gone over. I think it is grammatically correct, but I would like to know if there are any places that can be improved. Is there anyone here that could give me a little bit of their time to go over this to help me make this sound better?
2008-03-18 18:09 < Ausir> in memory of Gygax and Clarke, let's play Space Odyssey d20
2008-03-18 18:09 < shimgray> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dreams_from_My_Father&diff=prev&oldid=199205167 - 1hr 20. I would've hoped we'd be quicker off the mark...
2008-03-18 18:10 < SynergeticMag> Lady Aleena: take it to RFC or pretty good article
2008-03-18 18:10 < SynergeticMag> i cant recall the link
2008-03-18 18:10 < Lady_Aleena> RFC is horribly inactive.
2008-03-18 18:11 < SynergeticMag> what i actually meant was one of those requests for commenting on an article
2008-03-18 18:11 < The359> 18:39, 18 March 2008 Bretonbanquet (Talk | contribs) (29,304 bytes) (Undid revision 199201757 by 80.192.57.31 (talk) He only died the once) (undo)
2008-03-18 18:11 < The359> lol
2008-03-18 18:11 < SynergeticMag> as you can see i've never been there myself
2008-03-18 18:11 < Lady_Aleena> I know. :) That is very inactive.
2008-03-18 18:11 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-03-18 18:11 < The359> Because I moved Clarke to the 19th, and someone decided to add him again to the 18th
2008-03-18 18:11 < The359> under Deaths in 2008
2008-03-18 18:11 < shimgray> yeah, died 19th
2008-03-18 18:11 < shimgray> it's tomorrow there
2008-03-18 18:12 < The359> yeah
2008-03-18 18:13 * Lady_Aleena mourns the death of Arthur C. Clarke.
2008-03-18 18:14 < ideogram> Childhood's End.
2008-03-18 18:14 < Lady_Aleena> That is so appropriate. :(
2008-03-18 18:15 < Ceiling_Cat> LOUDER!
2008-03-18 18:15 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR VOLUME!
2008-03-18 18:15 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-18 18:16 < shimgray> I note he gave an epitaph in the 90th-birthday video, which seems entirely appropriate.
2008-03-18 18:16 < Lady_Aleena> 197 references for this little article. GAH!
2008-03-18 18:17 < shimgray> It I have given you delight / By aught that I have done, / Let me lie quiet in that night / Which shall be yours anon:
2008-03-18 18:17 < shimgray> And for the little, little, span / The dead are born in mind, / Seek not to question other than / The books I leave behind.
2008-03-18 18:17 < shimgray> (Kipling)
2008-03-18 18:17 < The359> http://www.digitallantern.net/McLuhan/course/spring96/profiles.gif
2008-03-18 18:17 < Juliancolton> Lady_Aleena: Which article?
2008-03-18 18:17 < The359> Clarke's "Profile of the future"
2008-03-18 18:17 < The359> A timeline of his predictions for when things will happen in the future
2008-03-18 18:18 < Lady_Aleena> Juliancolton: The one I am writing about all of the crossovers and spin-offs that started with I Love Lucy.
2008-03-18 18:18 < Lady_Aleena> It is in my user space.
2008-03-18 18:18 < The359> Written between 1958 and 1962
2008-03-18 18:18 < Juliancolton> Ah, ok
2008-03-18 18:18 < The359> Notice between 2000 and 2010
2008-03-18 18:18 < The359> "Global Library" ;)
2008-03-18 18:18 < Lady_Aleena> Juliancolton: Care to give it a peek?
2008-03-18 18:18 < Juliancolton> Sure
2008-03-18 18:19 < Lady_Aleena> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Television/Crossovers
2008-03-18 18:19 < The359> but then he also has "Colonizing planets" in 2000
2008-03-18 18:19 < shimgray> We're dead-on for "Global library"...
2008-03-18 18:19 < The359> "Fusion power", 1990
2008-03-18 18:19 < Juliancolton> :O
2008-03-18 18:19 < Juliancolton> Good greif
2008-03-18 18:19 < quanticle> The359: When was this written?
2008-03-18 18:19 < Lady_Aleena> What?
2008-03-18 18:19 < The359> "Wireless energy", 2000
2008-03-18 18:20 < Juliancolton> Do you think it has enough references?! ;)
2008-03-18 18:20 < The359> Between 1958 and 1962, quanticle
2008-03-18 18:20 < The359> although the copyright says 1958
2008-03-18 18:20 < SynergeticMag> Aleena: whats the name of the article again?
2008-03-18 18:20 < Lady_Aleena> Juliancolton: I was told to get more references, so I got more references.
2008-03-18 18:20 < ideogram> I don't think this is what Clarke had in mind by "Global Library"
2008-03-18 18:20 < quanticle> The359: That book proves that fusion power has been 30 years away for the last 75 years.
2008-03-18 18:21 < Juliancolton> You certainly did
2008-03-18 18:21 < The359> Exobiology Cyborgs by 1990
2008-03-18 18:21 < Cyrius> quanticle: doing better than string theory =)
2008-03-18 18:21 < Juliancolton> It loks good to me
2008-03-18 18:21 < Juliancolton> *looks
2008-03-18 18:21 < Lady_Aleena> SynergeticMag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Television/Crossovers
2008-03-18 18:21 < OverlordQ> should be on mars alreayd too shouldn't we :)
2008-03-18 18:21 < quanticle> Cyrius: How long has String Theory been around?
2008-03-18 18:21 < The359> "World Brain" by 2095
2008-03-18 18:21 < The359> as well as Immortality
2008-03-18 18:21 < Lady_Aleena> Juliancolton: I could comb through TV.com to get more refernces.
2008-03-18 18:21 < quanticle> The359: Now what on earth is a world brain?
2008-03-18 18:21 < SynergeticMag> my god
2008-03-18 18:22 < SynergeticMag> half the page is references
2008-03-18 18:22 < Juliancolton> I don't think any more are needed
2008-03-18 18:22 < Cyrius> quanticle: well, it depends on what you include in "string theory"
2008-03-18 18:22 < SynergeticMag> i think more content is needed!
2008-03-18 18:22 < Lady_Aleena> SynergeticMag: I had one reference that some thought dubious, so I had to get a less dubious one.
2008-03-18 18:22 < The359> He had some good ideas
2008-03-18 18:22 < Cyrius> quanticle: it's not that it's older, it's that nobody even knows how far away it is
2008-03-18 18:22 < The359> But also had a few crazy predictions
2008-03-18 18:23 < The359> "Logical languages" by 2020
2008-03-18 18:23 < quanticle> Cyrius: That's true. Fortunately our need for a Grand Unifying Theory is a bit less urgent than our need for cheap and plentiful energy.
2008-03-18 18:23 < Lady_Aleena> SynergeticMag: Did you read through it, or just look at the headings? :)
2008-03-18 18:24 < quanticle> The359: Like logical languages would ever take off while our minds are still structured the way they are...
2008-03-18 18:24 < SynergeticMag> i'm reading through it now
2008-03-18 18:24 < Lady_Aleena> Thanks!!!
2008-03-18 18:24 < Lady_Aleena> Thanks to Juliancolton!!!
2008-03-18 18:24 < Juliancolton> What I do wrong now?
2008-03-18 18:24 < SynergeticMag> this was deleted? or was it just suggested not to be an article?
2008-03-18 18:25 < Lady_Aleena> SynergeticMag: I haven't even tried to put it in article space yet, this is just a rough draft.
2008-03-18 18:25 < quanticle> SynergeticMag: That's where she keeps articles while they're in draft form.
2008-03-18 18:25 < SynergeticMag> yeah
2008-03-18 18:25 * quanticle is a slow typer today
2008-03-18 18:26 < Lady_Aleena> brb in about 5 minutes...
2008-03-18 18:27 < SynergeticMag> I notice all of these ref's are from only two places though
2008-03-18 18:28 < SynergeticMag> i'd suggest adding a reference to establish the notablity of the topic itself, and not the individual tv shows
2008-03-18 18:28 < SynergeticMag> as those are well sourced
2008-03-18 18:28 < SynergeticMag> one or two ref's in the intro wouldnt hurt
2008-03-18 18:28 < SynergeticMag> but it looks good otherwise
2008-03-18 18:30 < quanticle> Hmm. Well, the TV shows themselves are notable enough.
2008-03-18 18:30 < SynergeticMag> yes but the topic in itself
2008-03-18 18:30 < SynergeticMag> is that notable, is what i mean
2008-03-18 18:30 < SynergeticMag> because if its not, then it might be OR
2008-03-18 18:31 < IGI> ola!
2008-03-18 18:31 * Ceiling_Cat huggles quanticle_cat
2008-03-18 18:32 < Schrodinger_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: Better?
2008-03-18 18:34 < SynergeticMag> its only my opinion, but the subject of the article is about tv crossovers
2008-03-18 18:34 < SynergeticMag> thats the references i'm referring to
2008-03-18 18:34 < SynergeticMag> it intro should begin talking about that, and not i love lucy
2008-03-18 18:35 < Ceiling_Cat> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/funny-pictures-kitten-sleeps-on-dog.jpg
2008-03-18 18:35 < Ceiling_Cat> lulz
2008-03-18 18:36 < Schrodinger_Cat> SynergeticMag: Ah. I see. So a short introductory paragraph introducing the topic would be nice.
2008-03-18 18:37 < SynergeticMag> well yes!
2008-03-18 18:37 < SynergeticMag> that and references, if its to withstand AFD
2008-03-18 18:37 < SynergeticMag> b/c someone will nominate that in a heart beat
2008-03-18 18:38 < SynergeticMag> thats a cute cat
2008-03-18 18:38 < SynergeticMag> lol
2008-03-18 18:40 < Schrodinger_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: That almost caused me to asplode from the sheer cuteness of it all...
2008-03-18 18:43 < Lady_Aleena> SynergeticMag: Sorry, I had to go AFK for a few minutes. The whole point of this article is that all of the series in it are in some way connected to I Love Lucy. It does not cover any other shared reality.
2008-03-18 18:43 < SynergeticMag> ah
2008-03-18 18:44 < SynergeticMag> you're still going to need sources for those assertions though
2008-03-18 18:44 < Lady_Aleena> It is to be used in the various series "See also" sections, or as a See also: in a "Crossovers" section.
2008-03-18 18:44 < SynergeticMag> imo
2008-03-18 18:44 < Lady_Aleena> What assertions?
2008-03-18 18:44 < SynergeticMag> the lead
2008-03-18 18:44 < SynergeticMag> or intro
2008-03-18 18:44 < SynergeticMag> according to the talk page, i'm not the only one who thinks it would be OR
2008-03-18 18:44 < Lady_Aleena> My sources for all of the information are already in the article.
2008-03-18 18:45 < SynergeticMag> yes, from imdb.com and one other
2008-03-18 18:45 < SynergeticMag> poodle or something
2008-03-18 18:45 < SynergeticMag> my point is, just b/c something happened doesn't mean its notable
2008-03-18 18:46 < SynergeticMag> its supposing that you are the first to make this connection
2008-03-18 18:46 < Lady_Aleena> Poobala.com which has been covered in a couple publications The Boston Globe, Geek Magazine, and on a radio program that I can
2008-03-18 18:46 < Lady_Aleena> 't remember right now.
2008-03-18 18:46 < SynergeticMag> yes, the web sites been covered, but that not the article
2008-03-18 18:47 < SynergeticMag> the shows are sourced, just not the intro
2008-03-18 18:47 < Lady_Aleena> The article is a synthesis of all of the sources.
2008-03-18 18:47 < SynergeticMag> but the main intro, or lead is what needs to be sourced, in my opinion
2008-03-18 18:47 < SynergeticMag> it has to be established that this is not a new concept
2008-03-18 18:47 < SynergeticMag> that its covered, verified, and what not
2008-03-18 18:48 < Lady_Aleena> I hate the fact that I have to go to every single bloody article about each individual series to find out about a crossover. This is a way to put all of the crossovers in this shared reality into one place.
2008-03-18 18:48 < NotASpy> you could start a Crossover wikiproject, perhaps.
2008-03-18 18:48 < SynergeticMag> it does look like you put a lot of time into it though
2008-03-18 18:49 < Lady_Aleena> There are already articles that briefly touch this topic, in a very general way, Fictional crossovers and Spin-off (media). They just don't do a good job covering this one.
2008-03-18 18:49 < Lady_Aleena> There is also the article on Tommy Westphall, a character from St. Elsewhere that spawned a controversy.
2008-03-18 18:49 < SynergeticMag> you could always try to run it with the minimal sources, see if it passes
2008-03-18 18:50 < SynergeticMag> but like i said, i'd suggest you source the intro
2008-03-18 18:50 < Lady_Aleena> HOW???????
2008-03-18 18:50 < Lady_Aleena> With all of my sources already in the body of the article, I have nothing left to source.
2008-03-18 18:50 < Lady_Aleena> Nothing.
2008-03-18 18:51 < SynergeticMag> look at it this way.....
2008-03-18 18:52 < SynergeticMag> the intro is your base for the article
2008-03-18 18:52 < SynergeticMag> that needs to be sourced
2008-03-18 18:52 < SynergeticMag> or else its just a bunch of things strung together
2008-03-18 18:52 < SynergeticMag> even if those "things" are sourced
2008-03-18 18:52 < SynergeticMag> it still doesnt make it notable
2008-03-18 18:53 < Lady_Aleena> So, I need to remove all of the headings so that my sourced material is all above the table of contents?
2008-03-18 18:53 < SynergeticMag> no no no
2008-03-18 18:53 < SynergeticMag> you need to source the intro
2008-03-18 18:53 < SynergeticMag> its the main focal point
2008-03-18 18:53 < NotASpy> I was once told the intro of an article should contain nothing that isn't in the rest of an article. You can use the sources there then reuse the same source further down.
2008-03-18 18:54 < Lady_Aleena> Note: I have never written a paper which has gotten better than a C becuase I have no clue how to write acedemically.
2008-03-18 18:54 < shimgray> yeah, that's how to do it
2008-03-18 18:54 < shimgray> your introduction is the *summary* of the article