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2008-03-17 21:46 < gwern> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User:Bishonen/Bishzilla_RFA&curid=9056640&diff=198998249&oldid=192715522 <-- beautiful
2008-03-17 21:47 < gwern> Hello32020: depends strongly on licensing
2008-03-17 21:47 < Fennec> is the video liable to be removed in an indefinite period of time due to a copyright violation concern? :P
2008-03-17 21:48 < quanticle> gwern: Heh. Has Bishzilla been warned about that sig yet?
2008-03-17 21:48 < DBush> They say Bishzilla would be the ideal administrator, but this is only because the pro-Bishzilla establishmen will squash anyone that will berate her!
2008-03-17 21:49 < quanticle> DBush: Also because Bishzilla is a giant dinosaur and is capable of personally crushing any opposition.
2008-03-17 21:49 < Hello32020> the Project Chanology article is using YouTube videos of the Atlanta protest events as a source for it
2008-03-17 21:49 < quanticle> Hello32020: I'd imagine that'd be ok, if the videos are licensed properly.
2008-03-17 21:51 < gwern> quanticle: I dunno
2008-03-17 21:51 < gwern> DBush: Bishzilla is the ultimate IAR
2008-03-17 21:52 < quanticle> gwern: I don't see any reason it'd be illegal or against WP policy, so I'm inclined to say its ok, as long as the videos are licensed using Creative Commons, or something similar.
2008-03-17 21:53 < gwern> quanticle: videos of living people get into tricky territory sometimes
2008-03-17 21:54 < quanticle> gwern: There's lessened expecatation of privacy when one is on public property, which the Scientology protests were conducted on.
2008-03-17 21:54 < Fennec> it helps that the video's not on Wikipedia servers
2008-03-17 21:55 * Fennec would be more worried if we were hosting it. If it's just referencing it...
2008-03-17 21:55 < quanticle> Fennec: That too. If anything, the person's beef would be with YouTube, not WP.
2008-03-17 22:01 < DBush> Mind if I ramble on so that I don't interrupt anything later should a more important topic arise?
2008-03-17 22:02 < Fennec> why not?
2008-03-17 22:02 < DBush> Are you feeling down and feeling low? You can use Liquid Progesterolâ„¢ to get rid of that, it's good to know!
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2008-03-17 22:02 < DBush> Q: Don't Progesterolâ„¢ pills cause heart attacks? A: Further research is required; you can relax!
2008-03-17 22:02 < DBush> Q: What happens if my Progesterolâ„¢ high should end? A: Take twice the dosage to make your high extend!
2008-03-17 22:03 < DBush> Q: What if I can't get my doctor to fill my prescription? A: Order some Progesterolâ„¢ online to fill your addiction!
2008-03-17 22:03 < DBush> Q: My squaky doorhinge is pretty loud! A: Some Progesterolâ„¢ will make it quiet as a cloud!
2008-03-17 22:03 < DBush> Q: I've heard Progesterolâ„¢ plants can cause pollution! A: Envrionment-friendly Pregesterolâ„¢ is your solution!
2008-03-17 22:03 < DBush> Q: Do your restless legs keep you up all night with shaking? A: Progesterolâ„¢ will keep you from awaking!
2008-03-17 22:03 < DBush> Q: Do you find yourself bothered by constipation? A: : Progesterolâ„¢ will rid you of that plugged-up sensation!
2008-03-17 22:04 < Fennec> wow, that's quite the rambling
2008-03-17 22:04 < DBush> Q: Does Progesterolâ„¢ give you internal cranial bleeding? A: Romoxynâ„¢ will keep you conscious and succeeding!
2008-03-17 22:04 < Fennec> apparently I now know why not
2008-03-17 22:04 < DBush> Q: Are you a tired but active mother on the go? A: Progesterolâ„¢ will keep your energy from running low!
2008-03-17 22:04 < Fennec> okay, really. :P
2008-03-17 22:04 < DBush> Q: Do your other sleep medications prevent you from operating machinery? A: Progesterolâ„¢ will keep you slamming that wrecking ball into that eatery!
2008-03-17 22:04 < DBush> Q: Is flu season leaving you with a sore throat and stuffy nose? A: Down a Progesterolâ„¢ pill and away it goes!
2008-03-17 22:04 < DBush> Q: Does Progeterol's have a side effect? A: Your internal organs and skin may separate from your body and attack your corporeal skeleton in your sleep...but that's not something you should expect!
2008-03-17 22:05 < DBush> Q: Is there anything Progesterolâ„¢ won't cure? A: Incessant rhyming is its only furor!
2008-03-17 22:05 < Kingturtle> test
2008-03-17 22:05 < DBush> And now I'm done
2008-03-17 22:05 * quanticle shoots DBush
2008-03-17 22:05 < quanticle> That was worse than the Head-On ads
2008-03-17 22:06 < Fennec> I thought you would have some vague purpose to the rambling
2008-03-17 22:06 < Hello32020> spppppppppppppppammmmmm
2008-03-17 22:06 < Hello32020> lol
2008-03-17 22:06 < DBush> Their commercial may be annoying, but their product is amazing.
2008-03-17 22:07 < DBush> Their medicine will keep your headache from blazing.
2008-03-17 22:07 * quanticle goes to get a bigger gun
2008-03-17 22:07 < DBush> Step right up and grab a sample! Buy a dozen; our supply is ample!
2008-03-17 22:09 < Fennec> DBush: now, I don't usually say things like this, but
2008-03-17 22:09 < Fennec> stfu
2008-03-17 22:09 < Fennec> kthx :)
2008-03-17 22:09 < quanticle> DBush: Y'done now? Or are you going to make me get the banhammer?
2008-03-17 22:09 < DBush> Yeah, I'm done.
2008-03-17 22:09 < quanticle> k
2008-03-17 22:09 < FastLizard4> quanticle has a banhammer?! o_O
2008-03-17 22:09 < DBush> You won't need to; I'm not a spammer.
2008-03-17 22:10 * FastLizard4 eyes quanticle suspiciously
2008-03-17 22:10 < quanticle> FastLizard4: Yes. I have a banhammer.
2008-03-17 22:11 < FastLizard4> quanticle: Who <s>was drunk enough to give</s> gave it to you?
2008-03-17 22:11 < quanticle> FastLizard4: I don't know. I think it was Ceiling_Cat.
2008-03-17 22:12 < quanticle> FastLizard4: I know that NotACow may have had something to do with it as well.
2008-03-17 22:12 < FastLizard4> Since when could Ceiling_Cat give ops? o_O
2008-03-17 22:12 < Krimpet> Ceiling_Cat is watching you op up.
2008-03-17 22:12 * FastLizard4 hides
2008-03-17 22:13 < quanticle> Speaking of banhammers, I should configure my IRC client to respond to the ! op stalkword
2008-03-17 22:13 * FastLizard4 would like ops, but dosen't feel like asking now
2008-03-17 22:14 * Rinn falls in love with DBush
2008-03-17 22:16 * Ceiling_Cat watches Rinn & DBush
2008-03-17 22:16 < Ceiling_Cat> FastLizard4 - ops in here?
2008-03-17 22:16 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: I'm an op...
2008-03-17 22:16 < FastLizard4> Ceiling_Cat: Sure, why not?
2008-03-17 22:17 < quanticle> Oh. I thought Ceiling_Cat was asking for ops...
2008-03-17 22:17 * Ceiling_Cat hrms
2008-03-17 22:17 < Ceiling_Cat> All right
2008-03-17 22:18 < Ceiling_Cat> you are now an op
2008-03-17 22:18 < FastLizard4> Ceiling_Cat: Thanks :)
2008-03-17 22:18 < OverlordQ> :(
2008-03-17 22:18 < FastLizard4> omg
2008-03-17 22:18 < FastLizard4> The Anti-vandal bots are down?
2008-03-17 22:18 < DBush> FastLizard4 got his first taste of power
2008-03-17 22:19 < DBush> He'll have gone mad with it within an hour
2008-03-17 22:19 < OverlordQ> QUick, into the Anti-Vandal bunker!
2008-03-17 22:19 < Ceiling_Cat> for the record, Mark Ryan increased my access level ~3 months ago
2008-03-17 22:19 < quanticle> OverlordQ: Fire up Huggle. We'll have to fight the vandal bots manually!
2008-03-17 22:19 < TheLetterE> FastLizard4: Please do not abuse your op powers or you shall be eaten by the devil Mark_Ryan
2008-03-17 22:19 < Ceiling_Cat> (so that I could dole out or remove ops)
2008-03-17 22:19 * FastLizard4 would boot up huggle, but his computer is refusing to acknowledge the existance of C:
2008-03-17 22:20 < OverlordQ> I dont got huggle :(
2008-03-17 22:20 < Ceiling_Cat> I didn't actually try to use them until a couple weeks ago when I increased quanticle's access level (or tried to, only to FAIL)
2008-03-17 22:20 < FastLizard4> TheLetterE: I am aware of that :P
2008-03-17 22:20 < Ceiling_Cat> (Mark Ryan apparently made a slight error)
2008-03-17 22:20 < zocky> hmmm, I understand the new governor of new york himself thinking that he's black, since he's blind, but why do other people call him black?
2008-03-17 22:20 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Ah. Ok. So it was you that first tried to get me op.
2008-03-17 22:20 * FastLizard4 kicks Windows
2008-03-17 22:20 < TheLetterE> FastLizard4: Which Anti-Vandal bot is down?
2008-03-17 22:20 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - I did make you an op
2008-03-17 22:20 < FastLizard4> ClueBot
2008-03-17 22:21 < Ceiling_Cat> it just took a few days longer than I thought
2008-03-17 22:21 < FastLizard4> VoABot might be down too
2008-03-17 22:21 < FastLizard4> Yeah, looks like it
2008-03-17 22:21 * Ceiling_Cat pets FastLizard4_cat
2008-03-17 22:22 < FastKitty4> Thats better :)
2008-03-17 22:22 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Wikipedia:NotTheWikipediaWeekly]]
2008-03-17 22:22 < TheLetterE> ClueBot may have errored with the recent problems, I'll give Cobi a call.
2008-03-17 22:22 < Ceiling_Cat> you guys might find that interesting
2008-03-17 22:23 < FastKitty4> TheLetterE: VoABot II last edited 14:11, March 17, 2008 (UTC -07:00)
2008-03-17 22:23 < TheLetterE> FastKitty4: Contact VoA.
2008-03-17 22:23 < FastKitty4> Right
2008-03-17 22:23 < TheLetterE> I can contact Cobi, however.
2008-03-17 22:23 < TheLetterE> *possibly*
2008-03-17 22:24 < Pilotguy> Since when did we randomly give out ops to anyone who wants them?
2008-03-17 22:24 < FastKitty4> Let's see if I can grab VoA on AIM
2008-03-17 22:25 < FastKitty4> bah, offline
2008-03-17 22:25 < FastKitty4> Pilotguy: My guess would be when the cabal took over
2008-03-17 22:25 < Pilotguy> FastKitty4- snort.
2008-03-17 22:26 < TheLetterE> Pilotguy: I don't know, you might have to ask Raul that..
2008-03-17 22:26 < TheLetterE> what cabal. It should only be Mark or Dmcdevit
2008-03-17 22:26 < Pilotguy> TheLetterE- DING!
2008-03-17 22:26 < FastKitty4> Let's see if VoABot II has had its off switch abused
2008-03-17 22:27 < FastKitty4> Hmm, settings say on, must be a bot problem
2008-03-17 22:27 < Kingturtle> who has a bot that takes requests?
2008-03-17 22:27 < FastKitty4> |var VOABOT_ON=1;|
2008-03-17 22:28 < Pilotguy> TheLetterE- Mark must have given him access, against everyone's wishes
2008-03-17 22:28 < FastKitty4> TheLetterE: Leaving a message on VoA's talk page
2008-03-17 22:29 < TheLetterE> OK, trying to restart cluebot though'
2008-03-17 22:33 < FastKitty4> Well, look at the bright side - now everyone is beating cluebot to reverts!
2008-03-17 22:33 < TheLetterE> ClueBots have been restarted by the looks.
2008-03-17 22:33 < TheLetterE> yayaya
2008-03-17 22:33 < TheLetterE> ClueBot has returned.
2008-03-17 22:34 < FastKitty4> I saw that (some) of the #cvn-wp-en components have returned, but not all
2008-03-17 22:34 < Kingturtle> who has a bot that takes requests?
2008-03-17 22:35 < FastKitty4> Kingturtle: What do you mean by that?
2008-03-17 22:35 < Kingturtle> i mean, i'd like to change all the incidents of "RBI's" to "RBIs" in wikipedia. someone must have a bot that could do it for me
2008-03-17 22:36 < TheLetterE> e@- ClueBot has returned and is functioning without error.
2008-03-17 22:36 < Cream> is wiki down?
2008-03-17 22:36 < mike8901> I'm blocking out on the name of the artist/title of this painting... anyone know? http://www.brain-dynamics.net/research/clin_files/clin_images/schizopainting2.jpg
2008-03-17 22:36 < Kingturtle> cream, not in ny
2008-03-17 22:36 < TheLetterE> Cream, No
2008-03-17 22:36 < mike8901> van gough?
2008-03-17 22:36 < mike8901> er van gogh?
2008-03-17 22:36 < Kingturtle> munch
2008-03-17 22:37 < mike8901> ah thanks
2008-03-17 22:37 < FastKitty4> Kingturtle: Look into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AWB
2008-03-17 22:38 < mike8901> did much have schizophrenia?
2008-03-17 22:38 < mike8901> or was he suspected of having it?
2008-03-17 22:39 < Kingturtle> mike, dunno. what does wikipedia say?
2008-03-17 22:39 < mike8901> hmm
2008-03-17 22:39 < mike8901> seems his sister had it
2008-03-17 22:39 < mike8901> wikipedia says nothing!
2008-03-17 22:40 < Kingturtle> mike, post a question in the talk page
2008-03-17 22:40 < quanticle> Anyway, I'm off to bed. See y'all tomorrow!
2008-03-17 22:40 < mike8901> cya
2008-03-17 22:40 < FastKitty4> See ya quanticle
2008-03-17 22:41 < zocky> News by Us - Commentary, News Analysis and Opinion without a hidden agenda: <<Sexually transmitted diseases are a result of liberalism>>
2008-03-17 22:41 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1439471720080314
2008-03-17 22:41 < Lucifer_Cat> oops wrong like
2008-03-17 22:41 < Lucifer_Cat> *link
2008-03-17 22:41 < FastKitty4> zocky: lol
2008-03-17 22:41 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: http://bp1.blogger.com/_LSGnycsyeI4/R9h7i4jkaSI/AAAAAAAAARQ/tyFGdJo6mu0/s1600-h/ceiling_cat.jpg
2008-03-17 22:41 < Cream> ½ is taken too
2008-03-17 22:41 < Cream> 1 edit
2008-03-17 22:42 < Lucifer_Cat> FastKitty4 ~ FastLizard?
2008-03-17 22:42 < Cream> and it's vandalism
2008-03-17 22:42 < FastKitty4> Lucifer_Cat: That's what my hostmask says
2008-03-17 22:42 < Lucifer_Cat> didnt check that first
2008-03-17 22:42 < Cream> Ceiling_Cat: you there
2008-03-17 22:42 < Lucifer_Cat> so we have cats, lizards, and non cows
2008-03-17 22:42 < FastKitty4> heh
2008-03-17 22:43 * Ceiling_Cat waves at Cream from above
2008-03-17 22:43 < Lucifer_Cat> and some random particles
2008-03-17 22:43 < Kingturtle> a-hem
2008-03-17 22:43 < Cream> :)
2008-03-17 22:43 < Lucifer_Cat> and a lobster
2008-03-17 22:43 < FastKitty4> Lucifer_Cat: There are a few antiprotons in here too
2008-03-17 22:43 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-17 22:43 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: http://bp1.blogger.com/_LSGnycsyeI4/R9h7i4jkaSI/AAAAAAAAARQ/tyFGdJo6mu0/s1600-h/ceiling_cat.jpg
2008-03-17 22:43 < Cream> Ceiling_Cat: since you're a 'crat,i got a question
2008-03-17 22:43 * FastKitty4 remembers when Ceiling_Cat got K-Lined
2008-03-17 22:43 * Ceiling_Cat glues fur, whiskers, and a tail on Kingturtle
2008-03-17 22:44 < Cream> Can one single edit that is vandalism considered GFDL?
2008-03-17 22:44 < Lucifer_Cat> wht? KLined?? for??
2008-03-17 22:44 < FastKitty4> Lucifer_Cat: Made 9 connections at the same time
2008-03-17 22:44 < Lucifer_Cat> >_<
2008-03-17 22:44 < Lucifer_Cat> why on earth?
2008-03-17 22:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - teehee
2008-03-17 22:44 < Lucifer_Cat> to spam us all with cats?
2008-03-17 22:45 < Ceiling_Cat> Obviously :)
2008-03-17 22:45 < FastKitty4> X-D
2008-03-17 22:45 < Cream> I got a evil idea
2008-03-17 22:45 < Mediation_cat> FastKitty4: Howja get ops in #wikipedia?
2008-03-17 22:45 < Cream> using a bot to display a transparent PNG cat
2008-03-17 22:45 < Mediation_cat> ...
2008-03-17 22:45 < FastKitty4> Mediation_cat: I asked :P
2008-03-17 22:45 < Cream> in pages
2008-03-17 22:45 < Cream> like a virus?
2008-03-17 22:45 < Mediation_cat> oh
2008-03-17 22:45 < Lucifer_Cat> Mediation_cat: ask within
2008-03-17 22:45 < Mediation_cat> :p
2008-03-17 22:45 < Mediation_cat> who do i ask?
2008-03-17 22:45 < Mediation_cat> aren
2008-03-17 22:45 < Ceiling_Cat> See [[User:Ceiling_Cat#Ceiling_Cat-related_humor]]
2008-03-17 22:45 < Lucifer_Cat> yourself Mediation_cat
2008-03-17 22:45 < FastKitty4> Uhoh
2008-03-17 22:45 < Mediation_cat> *aren't* sysops supposed to have ops?
2008-03-17 22:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Mediation_cat- you need to seek a higher power
2008-03-17 22:46 < FastKitty4> Ceiling_Cat: Oh, God
2008-03-17 22:46 < Mediation_cat> oh
2008-03-17 22:47 < Cream> Martinp24
2008-03-17 22:47 < Lucifer_Cat> Holy CAT!! theres a whole wiki on lolcats
2008-03-17 22:47 < Ceiling_Cat> Lucifer_Cat - yes
2008-03-17 22:47 < Mediation_cat> and there's a channel too!
2008-03-17 22:47 < Mediation_cat> #wikimedia-cats
2008-03-17 22:47 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
2008-03-17 22:47 < Lucifer_Cat> been there, trolled that
2008-03-17 22:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.
2008-03-17 22:48 < FastKitty4> Mediation_cat: In short, make friends in high positions, be really nice to them, then ask for ops in a really sheepish manner :P
2008-03-17 22:48 < Mediation_cat> xD
2008-03-17 22:48 < Mediation_cat> what did i said? :p
2008-03-17 22:51 < DBush> Q: Do Romoxynâ„¢ blood thinners lead open cuts more susceptible to disease? A: Just don't get cut and you'll stay healthy with the greatest of ease!
2008-03-17 22:51 < DBush> Q: What if, perchance, I should have a stroke? A: Hope you've got good insurance, you unlucky bloke!
2008-03-17 22:51 < DBush> Q: Has Romoxynâ„¢ been approved by the FDA? A: The commissioner that got it approved is our company chairman as of today!
2008-03-17 22:51 < FastKitty4> X-D
2008-03-17 22:59 < xahlee> check out http://xahlee.org/wikipedia_links.html :)
2008-03-17 23:00 < Kingturtle> gnite
2008-03-17 23:02 < Mike_H> "Toccara, have some class!"
2008-03-17 23:02 < Mike_H> "KISS! MY! ASS!"
2008-03-17 23:02 < Cream> good night
2008-03-17 23:03 * Simeon_H pokes head in
2008-03-17 23:03 < Simeon_H> been a long time
2008-03-17 23:03 < FastKitty4> Hmm
2008-03-17 23:04 < Ceiling_Cat> hello, my son
2008-03-17 23:06 < Mike_H> "Toccara, have some class!"
2008-03-17 23:06 < Mike_H> "KISS! MY! ASS!"
2008-03-17 23:08 < Lucifer_Cat> bite my shiny metal ass Mike_H
2008-03-17 23:09 < Mike_H> "Toccara, have some class!"
2008-03-17 23:09 < Mike_H> "KISS! MY! ASS!"
2008-03-17 23:09 < FastKitty4> o_O
2008-03-17 23:11 < zocky> bite my shiny metal class
2008-03-17 23:11 < zocky> and with that, I wish you all good night
2008-03-17 23:12 * Simeon_H eats zocky in his sleep
2008-03-17 23:18 < Mole2> He peeple. I just stumbled on an article where people are arguing how the article is to read with screen readers for the blind.
2008-03-17 23:18 < Mole2> I realised we have several problems with that here at Wikipedia.
2008-03-17 23:19 < Mole2> We often do mark away things that should not be heard by screen readers by giving them special CSS classes.
2008-03-17 23:19 < Mole2> But I bet many of the older screen readers don't know what that means and reads the whole junk.
2008-03-17 23:19 < Mole2> Aslo we as seeing editors have no idea what actually gets read or not.
2008-03-17 23:19 < FastKitty4> Mole2: We don't use CSS to mark things hidden
2008-03-17 23:20 < Mole2> FastKitty4: We do, for screen readers.
2008-03-17 23:20 < FastKitty4> No
2008-03-17 23:20 < FastKitty4> <!-- We use HTML -->
2008-03-17 23:20 < Mole2> FastKitty4: The "metadata" class is one such tag.
2008-03-17 23:20 < FastKitty4> Mole2: That's not used on articles, except in the infoboxes, which would present a problem anyway
2008-03-17 23:20 < Mole2> Exactly.
2008-03-17 23:21 < Mole2> That is used for boxes that we deen is more trouble then gain for blind people.
2008-03-17 23:21 < FastKitty4> Mole2: I just went through an article using the Microsoft Speech program, and it went through fine
2008-03-17 23:21 < Mole2> FastKitty4: Oh, you have such a program? Can one get it free?
2008-03-17 23:21 < FastKitty4> Mole2: It's built into Windows
2008-03-17 23:21 < Mole2> Ah ok, newer versions of windows...
2008-03-17 23:22 < Mole2> Well, English versions perhaps, never seen it in a Swedish version.
2008-03-17 23:22 < FastKitty4> XP+, perhaps ME or 2000 too
2008-03-17 23:22 < FastKitty4> Oh, it had a hiccup reading an infobox
2008-03-17 23:22 < Simeon_H> use festival
2008-03-17 23:22 < FastKitty4> Ceiling_Cat: Do I need to idle in #wikimedia-ops now that I am an op here?
2008-03-17 23:22 < Mole2> But there are some articles where even some of the page content is apropriate for screen readers.
2008-03-17 23:22 < Lucifer_Cat> yup
2008-03-17 23:23 < Simeon_H> windows is for n00bz!
2008-03-17 23:23 < FastKitty4> Simeon_H: Or PC gamers
2008-03-17 23:23 < FastKitty4> Lucifer_Cat: Who was that directed to?
2008-03-17 23:23 < Simeon_H> it was up until vista came out
2008-03-17 23:23 < Simeon_H> :/
2008-03-17 23:23 < Mole2> FastKitty4: Do the MS screen reader respect the metadata tags?
2008-03-17 23:23 < Lucifer_Cat> you
2008-03-17 23:23 < FastKitty4> Mole2: Not sure about that, I think it simply reads what it sees on screen
2008-03-17 23:23 < Simeon_H> then it's like "Hello, my name is vista, please wait while I rape your system"
2008-03-17 23:24 < Lucifer_Cat> that room was a lot more crowded than i thought
2008-03-17 23:24 < Mole2> FastKitty4: Right. And I bet many other screen readers do the same. Read it all. Some newer ones perhaps can be configured with CSS etc but I don't think most blind people have access to an übergeek who can fix that for them.
2008-03-17 23:24 < cimon> so do we have wikipedia again?
2008-03-17 23:24 < Mole2> So I did get an idea... :))
2008-03-17 23:25 < FastKitty4> Mole2: It only reads what it sees on the screen, if the metadata tags hide it, then it won't read it
2008-03-17 23:25 < FastKitty4> Now I need someone to give me +v...
2008-03-17 23:25 < Mole2> FastKitty4: Right, so some one has to configure that web browser's user CSS styles to hide those things.
2008-03-17 23:25 * NotACow stuffs a v into one of FastKitty4's spare orifices
2008-03-17 23:25 < Lucifer_Cat> eeks
2008-03-17 23:26 < FastKitty4> Mole2: Which is by default in browsers such as Firefox
2008-03-17 23:26 < Mole2> FastKitty4: And I don't know if those tags are even properly standardised etc.
2008-03-17 23:26 < FastKitty4> Mole2: <div> tags are universal HTML
2008-03-17 23:26 < Mole2> FastKitty4: But the metadata tags do NOT hide it from the screen normally. Those boxes are shown in normal web browsers.
2008-03-17 23:27 < FastKitty4> Mole2: I don't see any, unless I am thinking about something different than you are thinking about
2008-03-17 23:27 < Mole2> You have to specially configure your own web browser to not show those boxes we and the text we marked as "metadata".
2008-03-17 23:27 < FastKitty4> JohnReaves: Apparently I need +v now in #wikimedia-ops now that I am an op here
2008-03-17 23:28 < Mole2> FastKitty4: Most infoboxes on the side, and navigation boxes on the bottom of pages are marked in the CSS code as "metadata", but most of us still sees them.
2008-03-17 23:28 < FastKitty4> Mole2: Yes, I am thinking about something else.
2008-03-17 23:28 < FastKitty4> Mole2: I am not sure about that, I had a couple of hiccups when reading the infoboxers
2008-03-17 23:28 < JohnReaves> FastKitty4:You're an op here?
2008-03-17 23:28 < FastKitty4> JohnReaves: Since maybe 3 hours ago, yes
2008-03-17 23:28 < Mole2> Rigth. All this goes to show this is tricky.
2008-03-17 23:28 < Mole2> So I think I might have come up with a better solution.
2008-03-17 23:29 < FastKitty4> Mole2: Screen readers are strange programs, they rarely behave as you want them to
2008-03-17 23:29 < JohnReaves> well, ignoring the oddness of that...you'll have to contact a level 30 there
2008-03-17 23:29 < Mole2> That is, it would be neat if there was a second way to access Wikipedia. Like a second URL or something that gets you connected to the web server in another way.
2008-03-17 23:29 < FastKitty4> Mole2: There is a secure connection
2008-03-17 23:29 < Mole2> That is, that "other" wikipedia would show the pages all stripped from the things we tagged as "metadata".
2008-03-17 23:29 < FastKitty4> Mole2: Oh
2008-03-17 23:29 < FastKitty4> Hmm
2008-03-17 23:30 < Mole2> Thus also we seeing editors can make a page, then view it on the other "site" and see what gets shown!
2008-03-17 23:30 < Mole2> And see to that only the most relevant human hearable stuff is there. :)
2008-03-17 23:30 < Mole2> And then it doesn't matter how old and primitive screen readers the blind have. They just use that other site all the time. :)
2008-03-17 23:31 < Mike_H> I found a theme song to a show time forgot
2008-03-17 23:31 < Mike_H> and really it should have been kept forgotten :<
2008-03-17 23:32 < Mole2> I don't even think it would be especially hard to code up the filther function to strip a web page of all that "metadata" content and then reshow the pages.
2008-03-17 23:32 < FastKitty4> And there are no 30s on
2008-03-17 23:32 < FastKitty4> Ah, well
2008-03-17 23:32 < Mole2> I am a programmer and think I know how to do it.
2008-03-17 23:33 < Sgeo> G'night all
2008-03-17 23:33 < Fennec> css .metadata { display: none !important; } ?
2008-03-17 23:33 < Mole2> Right.
2008-03-17 23:33 < FastKitty4> That could be added to your user CSS
2008-03-17 23:33 < Simeon_H> push Mole2
2008-03-17 23:33 < Mole2> But how many people knows how to set that. And how many of the wikipedia editors set that in their own browsers and then review their articles and see how they look?
2008-03-17 23:33 < FastKitty4> User/monobook.css or what have you
2008-03-17 23:33 < Simeon_H> git on the stack bitch
2008-03-17 23:34 < Mole2> Simeon_H: What do you mean?
2008-03-17 23:34 < FastKitty4> Simeon_H: Tisk tisk, watch your language
2008-03-17 23:35 < Simeon_H> see you know nothing about 8051 assembly
2008-03-17 23:35 < Simeon_H> :D
2008-03-17 23:35 < FastKitty4> Shiroi_Neko: Get a better connection :)
2008-03-17 23:35 < nokmar> lol Simeon_H
2008-03-17 23:35 * Werdna waves
2008-03-17 23:35 < nokmar> push, pop.
2008-03-17 23:35 < Simeon_H> cjne a,#10,Label1
2008-03-17 23:35 < Simeon_H> :/
2008-03-17 23:35 < Mole2> Would be simpler if each wikipedia page had a link somewhere saying: "See this page in blind mode" and that would link to en.wikipedia.org/hear/Pagename where you see a stripped down version of the page.
2008-03-17 23:35 * FastKitty4 makes loud a splosion
2008-03-17 23:36 < Lucifer_Cat> FastKitty4: you need to cut down on beans
2008-03-17 23:36 < FastKitty4> rofl
2008-03-17 23:36 < Mole2> Simeon_H: I know what "push" means in many different situations in computing. But I wondered what you were talking about now.
2008-03-17 23:36 < Lucifer_Cat> nokmar: peek
2008-03-17 23:37 * nokmar stares
2008-03-17 23:37 * FastKitty4 stares back
2008-03-17 23:37 < Lucifer_Cat> the show that watches back
2008-03-17 23:37 < FastKitty4> X-D
2008-03-17 23:38 < FastKitty4> Hey privatemusings
2008-03-17 23:38 < Simeon_H> http://simeon.netwars.info/traflgtf.asm
2008-03-17 23:38 < privatemusings> g'day all.....
2008-03-17 23:38 < Mole2> G'day privatemusings.
2008-03-17 23:38 < FastKitty4> /Lucifer_Cat is watching you!/
2008-03-17 23:38 < privatemusings> is the fast lkitty related to the fast lizard?
2008-03-17 23:38 < FastKitty4> privatemusings: I iz teh fast lizard
2008-03-17 23:39 < FastKitty4> Oh, dear
2008-03-17 23:39 < FastKitty4> My hard drive made a really bad sounding noise
2008-03-17 23:39 < privatemusings> heh! - nice to see ya!
2008-03-17 23:39 * privatemusings didn't do it.
2008-03-17 23:39 < Lucifer_Cat> it must be thebadgrammar
2008-03-17 23:40 < FastKitty4> Lucifer_Cat: whatswrong wit teh badz grammarz?
2008-03-17 23:40 * FastKitty4 a splodes
2008-03-17 23:40 < Werdna> privatemusings: bii
2008-03-17 23:40 < Werdna> boo*
2008-03-17 23:41 < privatemusings> i quite liked bii
2008-03-17 23:41 < privatemusings> sounds a bit techno, a bit geek....
2008-03-17 23:41 < privatemusings> bii to one and all.....
2008-03-17 23:41 * Werdna slaps privatemusings
2008-03-17 23:41 * privatemusings is duly admonished....
2008-03-17 23:41 * FastKitty4 looks at banhammer sitting in corner
2008-03-17 23:41 * privatemusings wonders if werdna found any pics.. if he's 'that' werdna....
2008-03-17 23:42 < Werdna> privatemusings: no, I've been stalking tabushidayu, but no joy.
2008-03-17 23:42 < FastKitty4> o
2008-03-17 23:42 < FastKitty4> o_O
2008-03-17 23:42 < privatemusings> you'll have to arrange another meetup then... he'll break cover for sure!
2008-03-17 23:42 * FastKitty4 destroys Enter key; accidentaly vaporizes keyboard
2008-03-17 23:43 < FastKitty4> Yayz!
2008-03-17 23:43 < FastKitty4> 4.22 GB free space!
2008-03-17 23:43 * FastKitty4 is happy
2008-03-17 23:44 * Simeon_H rapes FastKitty4
2008-03-17 23:44 < FastKitty4> o_O
2008-03-17 23:44 * FastKitty4 points Simeon_H to the nice new banhammer
2008-03-17 23:44 * FastKitty4 instead pulls out AK-47 and begins shooting Simeon_H
2008-03-17 23:45 * Simeon_H absorbs the bullets and spits out a crank handle
2008-03-17 23:45 < FastKitty4> o_O
2008-03-17 23:45 * FastKitty4 pulls out type-3C phaser rifle
2008-03-17 23:45 * FastKitty4 sets it to maximum and fires at Simeon_H
2008-03-17 23:46 * Simeon_H demateriales just in time
2008-03-17 23:46 < Simeon_H> err
2008-03-17 23:46 < Simeon_H> *dematerialises
2008-03-17 23:46 * FastKitty4 shakes head
2008-03-17 23:47 * nokmar points out Raul to combatants
2008-03-17 23:48 * FastKitty4 stares at Simeon_H's particles floating in space
2008-03-17 23:49 * nokmar notes lack of Raul
2008-03-17 23:49 * Simeon_H rematerialises somewhere in paraguay
2008-03-17 23:49 * FastKitty4 drops neutron bomb on Simeon_H
2008-03-17 23:50 * Simeon_H dies and goes to heaven
2008-03-17 23:51 < FastKitty4> ;o
2008-03-17 23:53 * FastKitty4 reincarnates Simeon_H
2008-03-17 23:55 < JohnReaves> "this simeon has gone to heaven"
2008-03-17 23:56 < JohnReaves> if someone figures out the Pixies reference...good for you
2008-03-17 23:56 < FastKitty4> heh
2008-03-17 23:57 * FastKitty4 is now going to bed, good night!
2008-03-17 23:57 < Warpath> bye Grawp :)
2008-03-17 23:58 < Casull> I'm surprised how much we depend on the bots...can't wait till they come back up, seriously
2008-03-18 00:03 < Octane[WP]> [00:57:27] <Casull> I'm surprised how much we depend on the bots...can't wait till they come back up, seriously <-- All but the vandal bots (and sometimes those) are more trouble than they're worth.
2008-03-18 00:04 < Casull> Really, Octane? I think at least ClueBot and VoABot should come back up, they're crazy helpful
2008-03-18 00:04 < Casull> wait a
2008-03-18 00:04 < Casull> HO SNAP CLUEBOT'S UP
2008-03-18 00:05 < Krimpet> KrimpBot is all we need, really. :)
2008-03-18 00:06 < nokmar> no, we need vandalbot.
2008-03-18 00:06 < nokmar> vandalbot massively creates nicks and spams the wiki with vandalism
2008-03-18 00:07 < nokmar> raising awareness on the necessity of anti-vandal bots.
2008-03-18 00:07 < Simeon_H> hahaha
2008-03-18 00:07 < Simeon_H> we could have pedobot
2008-03-18 00:07 < Simeon_H> which just sticks "is dat sum loli" at the beginning of random articles
2008-03-18 00:08 < Casull> *sigh* that's so tempting
2008-03-18 00:08 < Octane[WP]> No, it'd add it to the articles in categories "born in 1991" or something. :D
2008-03-18 00:09 < Octane[WP]> also it needs to be "is dat sum delicious loli?" :p
2008-03-18 00:10 < Casull> I'd personally hope the mods would have a sense of humor to keep that but alas!
2008-03-18 00:18 < harlan> I'd like to add a new opensource license - I am logged in to the site but don't quite see how to do it.
2008-03-18 01:46 < Mike_H> The date of the feast is occasionally moved by church authorities when March 17 falls during Holy Week; this happened in 1940 when Saint Patrick's Day was observed on April 3 in order to avoid it coinciding with Palm Sunday, and happened again in 2008, having been observed on March 15.[3]
2008-03-18 01:46 < Mike_H> March 17 will not fall during Holy Week again until 2160.[4]
2008-03-18 01:48 < ancjr> Mike_H: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RgL2MKfWTo
2008-03-18 02:00 < Mike_H> heh
2008-03-18 02:00 < Mike_H> the Mariah Carey song "Ken Lee"
2008-03-18 02:00 < Mike_H> I was like
2008-03-18 02:00 < Mike_H> I didn't know she did that
2008-03-18 02:00 < Mike_H> and I was like
2008-03-18 02:00 < Mike_H> oh, this is Without You
2008-03-18 02:00 < ancjr> haha
2008-03-18 02:00 < ancjr> yeah the subtitles clear that up ;P
2008-03-18 02:01 < ancjr> ;)
2008-03-18 02:02 < Mike_H> they should just rename that song Ken Lee
2008-03-18 02:02 < ancjr> yes
2008-03-18 02:03 < Mike_H> Is that actually what it means
2008-03-18 02:03 < Mike_H> or like
2008-03-18 02:03 < Mike_H> is that her way of fucking up
2008-03-18 02:03 < Mike_H> "can't live"?
2008-03-18 02:03 < ancjr> i'm not particularly a fan of mariah carey, so i prefer the bulgarian idol version
2008-03-18 02:03 < Mike_H> ancjr: It reminds me of American Idol
2008-03-18 02:03 < Mike_H> where Carmen Rasmusen sang
2008-03-18 02:03 < Mike_H> "You Can't Hurry Luh"
2008-03-18 02:04 < Mike_H> and when Trenyce sang "That's Love Creepin' Up on You" and told us to "don't worry, paybee"
2008-03-18 02:09 < AdamBishop> hmm. I'm being peed on.
2008-03-18 02:10 < Mike_H> that's hot.
2008-03-18 02:10 < ancjr> thats highly irregular i hope
2008-03-18 02:11 < AdamBishop> not really, it happens a few times a week
2008-03-18 02:17 < ancjr> Mike_H: o/~ KEN LEE! bidi bodibu douchoo! o/~
2008-03-18 02:23 < Mike_H> ancjr: rofl
2008-03-18 02:26 < simtower> is my wikiped return?
2008-03-18 02:28 < AdamBishop> which one is yours
2008-03-18 02:46 * Mike_H watches The Golden Girls
2008-03-18 02:47 < ancjr> i havent watched that in ages
2008-03-18 02:47 < ancjr> i'm in season 5 of LHOTP
2008-03-18 02:47 < Mike_H> ancjr: Oh, I love that show
2008-03-18 02:47 < Mike_H> Season 7 was my favorite, though
2008-03-18 02:47 < ancjr> watching a couple episodes every night when i have time
2008-03-18 02:47 < Mike_H> of Little House
2008-03-18 02:47 < ancjr> yeah
2008-03-18 02:47 < Mike_H> ancjr: My favorite episode was
2008-03-18 02:48 < Mike_H> "Come, Let Us Reason Together"
2008-03-18 02:48 < ancjr> note that i thanked you on your comment pages for editing the episode list
2008-03-18 02:48 < Mike_H> so you know which episode I'm talking about?
2008-03-18 02:48 < ancjr> i remember the title
2008-03-18 02:48 < ancjr> is that from season 7?
2008-03-18 02:48 < Mike_H> Percival's real name is revealed as Isaac Cohen. Percival's parents visit Walnut Grove. Percival's father, Benjamin, is a hot-tempered man who lives by his Jewish faith, while Nellie's mother Harriet is a full-fledged Christian.
2008-03-18 02:49 < Mike_H> Nels brokers peace between Benjamin and Harriet with the deal that a boy would be raised Jewish and a girl would be raised Christian. When Nellie gives birth, she unexpectedly has twins, and names them Benjamin and Jennifer. Nellie and Percival agree to raise their son as a Jew and their daughter as a Christian.
2008-03-18 02:49 < Mike_H> yes, Season 7
2008-03-18 02:49 < ancjr> ok, i haven't made it that far yet
2008-03-18 02:49 < ancjr> :)
2008-03-18 02:49 < ancjr> i will!
2008-03-18 02:50 < Mike_H> ancjr: oh shit
2008-03-18 02:50 < Mike_H> have you seen/heard about the Sylvia episode?
2008-03-18 02:50 < Mike_H> probably the most controversial Little House episode ever
2008-03-18 02:51 < ancjr> i dont think so
2008-03-18 02:51 < Mike_H> A 15-year-old student, Sylvia Webb, is sexually assaulted by an unknown person only identifiable by a festival mask, and Sylvia eventually becomes pregnant. Albert and Sylvia fall in love, much to the objections of Sylvia's overprotective father.
2008-03-18 02:51 < Mike_H> Mrs. Oleson, at the switchboard, overhears a conversation between Doc Baker and Mr. Webb telling her that Sylvia is pregnant, and she tells the entire town.
2008-03-18 02:51 < Mike_H> it was a two-part episode
2008-03-18 02:51 < Mike_H> that was Part 1
2008-03-18 02:53 < AdamBishop> my mother in law (or...you know...whatever she is) is certain that Colonel Sanders appeared as a character in Little House
2008-03-18 02:54 < AdamBishop> I think she's on crack
2008-03-18 02:54 < Mike_H> She is
2008-03-18 02:55 < AdamBishop> yeah. He wasn't even born yet
2008-03-18 02:56 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-03-18 02:57 < ancjr> he wasn't born in 1870?
2008-03-18 02:57 < ancjr> or he wasn't born in 1970?
2008-03-18 03:02 < L|NUX> hello
2008-03-18 03:02 < L|NUX> can some one tell me how can i post about my self on WikiPedia ?
2008-03-18 03:02 < L|NUX> :$
2008-03-18 03:02 < Rinn> There's already a Linux article.
2008-03-18 03:03 < AdamBishop> you can open a new article page right here in IRC by pressing alt+f4
2008-03-18 03:03 < L|NUX> Rinn: i am not talking about linux aritcle
2008-03-18 03:03 < L|NUX> AdamBishop: nice :)
2008-03-18 03:03 < L|NUX> AdamBishop: can you do this for me :P
2008-03-18 03:03 < AdamBishop> heh
2008-03-18 03:03 < L|NUX> AdamBishop : if you can not help then do not give false ideas :)
2008-03-18 03:04 < AdamBishop> well, you are not allowed to write articles about yourself.
2008-03-18 03:04 < AdamBishop> so, don't.
2008-03-18 03:04 < L|NUX> AdamBishop : why brother
2008-03-18 03:04 < AdamBishop> well, who are you?
2008-03-18 03:04 < L|NUX> there are many articles which are worthless :(
2008-03-18 03:04 < L|NUX> but they are there
2008-03-18 03:04 < AdamBishop> yes but that doesn't mean you should add more
2008-03-18 03:05 < L|NUX> i am Farrukh Ahmed Siddiqui :)
2008-03-18 03:05 < L|NUX> humm
2008-03-18 03:05 < L|NUX> :(
2008-03-18 03:05 < L|NUX> my bad :(
2008-03-18 03:05 < AdamBishop> ok. Why should I care who you are?
2008-03-18 03:05 < L|NUX> AdamBishop: i did not said you care :p
2008-03-18 03:05 < L|NUX> AdamBishop: you have just asked me who are you so i told you my name brother
2008-03-18 03:06 < AdamBishop> but having a name is not a good reason to have a Wikipedua article
2008-03-18 03:06 < L|NUX> AdamBishop: i want to post about my biography :0
2008-03-18 03:06 < L|NUX> :-)
2008-03-18 03:06 < AdamBishop> why?
2008-03-18 03:07 < L|NUX> well for my childrens :)
2008-03-18 03:07 < L|NUX> so that they can see who am i when i am not b/w them :)
2008-03-18 03:07 < AdamBishop> why don't you write it on a piece of paper and give it to them
2008-03-18 03:08 < L|NUX> Adambishop: i do not want to agrument but you know paper can be destroyed or ...
2008-03-18 03:08 < AdamBishop> you can write on some other website
2008-03-18 03:09 < L|NUX> okay sir :)
2008-03-18 03:09 < L|NUX> thank you :(
2008-03-18 03:09 < L|NUX> not any other wise will be online like Wikipedia
2008-03-18 03:09 < AdamBishop> you can make a user page on Wikipedia and write it there
2008-03-18 03:10 < AllyUnion> Does anyone know an easy way to remove all the deleted pages off a watchlist?
2008-03-18 03:10 < simtower> can I write about going to jail in my userpage or no
2008-03-18 03:10 < AdamBishop> sure
2008-03-18 03:10 < L|NUX> AdamBishop: thanks
2008-03-18 03:11 < AdamBishop> make sure you contribute other things to Wikipedia though
2008-03-18 03:11 < AdamBishop> otherwise your usepage will probably be delted
2008-03-18 03:12 < L|NUX> umm
2008-03-18 03:13 < L|NUX> AdamBishop: okay :)
2008-03-18 03:15 < oakl> anyone awake?
2008-03-18 03:16 < Rinn> No.
2008-03-18 03:16 < AdamBishop> WIKIDEAD
2008-03-18 03:17 < oakl> bummer
2008-03-18 03:17 < AdamBishop> dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria
2008-03-18 03:17 < bumm13> ()o.o()  =^o.o^=
2008-03-18 03:18 < oakl> anyone know where i can find help on making maps?
2008-03-18 03:19 < AdamBishop> there's probably a WikiProject Maps or something
2008-03-18 03:19 < oakl> well now i feel stupid
2008-03-18 03:19 < oakl> there is
2008-03-18 03:20 < Rinn> Why's [[B]] protected?
2008-03-18 03:21 < Rinn> Oh. Hahaha, the old Strawberryclock thing.
2008-03-18 03:24 < DarkAppo89> status: down , not up
2008-03-18 03:24 < DarkAppo89> http://nagios.wikimedia.org/
2008-03-18 03:26 < simtower> why is my wikipedia down
2008-03-18 03:28 < AdamBishop> which one, simtower?
2008-03-18 03:29 < OverlordQ> en is slow for me.
2008-03-18 03:29 < DarkAppo89> it.wiki off
2008-03-18 03:29 < denelson83> en.wiki down
2008-03-18 03:30 < denelson83> Well, slow, anyway
2008-03-18 03:31 < denelson83> Like a high-period sine wave, it's up, it's down, etc...
2008-03-18 03:31 < Rinn> Works fine for me.
2008-03-18 03:33 < Andries> It does not work fine for me.I was able to post a comment on a short talk page 30 minutes ago, but now I cannot do anything.
2008-03-18 03:33 < denelson83> It's like 1/sin(x) when x approaches 0
2008-03-18 03:33 < denelson83> Or is it sin(1/x)?
2008-03-18 03:33 < denelson83> I think it's sin(1/x)
2008-03-18 03:33 < denelson83> 'cuz 1/sin(x) is csc(x)
2008-03-18 03:34 < AdamBishop> sine sine cosine sine, 3.14159
2008-03-18 03:34 < OverlordQ> ¯\/(ô_0)\/¯
2008-03-18 03:34 < denelson83> I don't think that's how the cheer goes
2008-03-18 03:34 < AdamBishop> that's how I learned it
2008-03-18 03:35 < denelson83> "Sine, sine, everywhere a sine, oscillating up and down on the flat line"
2008-03-18 03:35 < AdamBishop> that's a different one I guess
2008-03-18 03:36 * denelson83 gives a shout out to Five Man Electrical Band
2008-03-18 03:36 * AdamBishop is a stranger here on this place called Earth
2008-03-18 03:37 * denelson83 is listening to "Bruce Springsteen - Radio Nowhere" (3:19 - 192kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-03-18 03:37 * AdamBishop listens to Stampeders - Sweet City Woman
2008-03-18 03:38 * Rinn is listening to Super Smash Bros. Melee - Icicle Mountain
2008-03-18 03:40 < denelson83> Uhp... Now it's definitively down
2008-03-18 03:40 < AdamBishop> yeah.
2008-03-18 03:40 * denelson83 is listening to "The Visitors" by ABBA (5:46 - 128kbps - 44kHz - Stereo)
2008-03-18 03:41 * AdamBishop listens to The Beatles - Young Blood
2008-03-18 03:43 < Rinn> Still fine for me.
2008-03-18 03:43 < AdamBishop> still down for me
2008-03-18 03:44 < denelson83> One of the few new wave tracks from ABBA
2008-03-18 03:44 < denelson83> New space shuttle: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7298511.stm
2008-03-18 03:49 < alesan> hallo
2008-03-18 03:50 < alesan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacqueline_Mitton <- how would you rate this article? It's written in first person at times...
2008-03-18 03:51 < OverlordQ> chop it down to read like an encyclopedia instead of a diary
2008-03-18 03:52 < alesan> OverlordQ: last time I modified something like that on wikipedia I was marked as "vandal" with some message to not do that again
2008-03-18 03:53 < alesan> I am fully registered and it was not an anonymous modification, I did in good faith
2008-03-18 03:53 < alesan> since then I prefer to report problems to more advanced users
2008-03-18 03:53 < alesan> and, other than that, I am not a native english speaker I could write bad english
2008-03-18 03:55 < AdamBishop> alesan, problem solved
2008-03-18 03:56 < alesan> AdamBishop: you delete the article completely?
2008-03-18 03:57 < alesan> deleted
2008-03-18 03:57 < OverlordQ> looks like a copyvio anyways
2008-03-18 03:58 < OverlordQ> lifted from the link it gave
2008-03-18 03:58 < AdamBishop> yeah
2008-03-18 03:58 < AdamBishop> no other articles linked to it anyway
2008-03-18 05:09 < EmoBasset> Google is down!
2008-03-18 05:09 < EmoBasset> (for me, anyway
2008-03-18 05:10 < nazgjunk> up here
2008-03-18 05:10 < EmoBasset> oh, all kinds of things are down
2008-03-18 05:10 < EmoBasset> apparently T-Online has one of its routing problems again
2008-03-18 05:11 < EmoBasset> hm
2008-03-18 05:11 < EmoBasset> works with another browser
2008-03-18 05:11 < EmoBasset> oh, back up
2008-03-18 05:12 < Rinn> Trillian seems to be breaking a lot. And Wikipedia's gone down several times today.
2008-03-18 05:13 * EmoBasset dislikes Trillian
2008-03-18 05:14 < EmoBasset> too resource-intensive
2008-03-18 05:14 < Rinn> I can't find anything that isn't.
2008-03-18 05:14 < Rinn> Anything that has the protocols I use, anyway.
2008-03-18 05:14 < EmoBasset> my computer works better with a couple clients running alongside each other than with Trillian
2008-03-18 05:15 < alesan> Rinn: gaim? kopete? which exotic protocols are you using?
2008-03-18 05:15 < alesan> pidgin <-> gaim are the same
2008-03-18 05:16 < Rinn> Typically the only programs that support MSN or AIM are bloated. A tweaked Trillian is the best I've found.
2008-03-18 05:16 < alesan> Rinn: you should definitely try out pidgin, assuming you use windows