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2008-03-17 15:45 < gwern> Demi: ooh, how about 'surjection'!
2008-03-17 15:45 < gwern> Demi: that's because map as a function is bijective from one list to another list, where id is the simplest case
2008-03-17 15:45 < gwern> surjection precisely defines the meaning, and sure as heck can't be confused with any common functions...
2008-03-17 15:46 < Demi> ha, that's true
2008-03-17 15:46 < Demi> and table also conflicts
2008-03-17 15:46 < gwern> Demi: wait, can multiple keys point to the same value?
2008-03-17 15:47 < gwern> if not, then it'd be bijective
2008-03-17 15:47 < Demi> they can
2008-03-17 15:47 < gwern> and so bijection would be more specific and this better
2008-03-17 15:47 < gwern> ok, so it's potentially many-to-one then, and surjective. never mind
2008-03-17 15:47 < Demi> keys point to arbitrary values but you're guaranteed a value for a key (which might be a special atom)
2008-03-17 15:47 * gwern roots for 'surjection'
2008-03-17 15:50 < EmoBasset> hey
2008-03-17 15:50 < EmoBasset> surjection means "the processes of throwing on top of"?
2008-03-17 15:51 < NotACow> ha
2008-03-17 15:51 < NotACow> i love internet outages
2008-03-17 15:51 < Messedrocker> why?
2008-03-17 15:51 < NotACow> because they're fin!
2008-03-17 15:51 * EmoBasset surjects that on other grievances
2008-03-17 15:51 * NotACow has two dead T-1s right now
2008-03-17 15:52 < gwern> EmoBasset: no, it means every element in set A can be assigned a spot in set B; bijective would be if it's surjective A->B and surjective B->A, that is, there is a one-to-one match
2008-03-17 15:52 < Messedrocker> they may be fin, but are they Finnish?
2008-03-17 15:52 < gwern> EmoBasset: see https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Surjective_function
2008-03-17 15:52 < EmoBasset> okay
2008-03-17 15:52 < gwern> the diagrams will explain all
2008-03-17 15:52 < Fabexplosive> ehm, big netsplit today or is only my illusion?
2008-03-17 15:52 < EmoBasset> I thought it was a neologism
2008-03-17 15:54 * EmoBasset loves the conjugation of /tollere/
2008-03-17 15:54 < EmoBasset> whose past forms look like the infinitive was "subferre"
2008-03-17 15:56 < gwern> EmoBasset: Demi cannot use 'bijective', because there may be 100 elements in his set A which point to a single element in set B - which of the 100 would the one in set B point back at? and it isn't injective because of the same example - injective requires you to be surjective, but with the additional condition that each element in set A points to a different element in set B
2008-03-17 15:56 < EmoBasset> yea
2008-03-17 15:57 < Shiroi_Neko> (^ô^)
2008-03-17 16:00 * gwern has killed the channel, I see
2008-03-17 16:01 < NotACow> gwern: you geeked it out
2008-03-17 16:02 < Demi> well, i can't completely do what i wanted, anyway, quite
2008-03-17 16:02 < gwern> NotACow: bitches don't know 'bout my CS
2008-03-17 16:02 < Shiroi_Neko> cs.wiki?
2008-03-17 16:02 * Shiroi_Neko pulls gwern's chair
2008-03-17 16:03 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: hush you. I'm watching 300 now because you have to bring it up before
2008-03-17 16:03 < Shiroi_Neko> I prefer watching Vandread
2008-03-17 16:03 < Shiroi_Neko> a ridiclous battle yes
2008-03-17 16:04 < Shiroi_Neko> but with mecha and niceness
2008-03-17 16:04 < gwern> I tried watching some vandred. sillier than 300
2008-03-17 16:04 < Shiroi_Neko> vandread is fun
2008-03-17 16:04 < gwern> hotter characters though, if you don't go in for the spartans
2008-03-17 16:04 < Shiroi_Neko> I prefer not to go for people who wear brushes on their heads
2008-03-17 16:05 < gwern> I see. and an entire cast of lesbians and gays is better?
2008-03-17 16:05 < Shiroi_Neko> they arent lesbians
2008-03-17 16:06 < Shiroi_Neko> nor gays
2008-03-17 16:06 < Shiroi_Neko> they just ended up as two factions
2008-03-17 16:06 < Shiroi_Neko> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2560672603836769965&q=Vandread+site%3Avideo.google.com&total=47&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9
2008-03-17 16:06 < Shiroi_Neko> 300's music is better?
2008-03-17 16:07 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: didn't pay much attention to the music
2008-03-17 16:07 < Shiroi_Neko> I like music
2008-03-17 16:07 < gwern> but how can you deny their homosexuality? they consider the other gender a different species! who the heck do you think they're all having sex with?
2008-03-17 16:09 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern they dont
2008-03-17 16:09 < Shiroi_Neko> they consider the other gender arc enemmies
2008-03-17 16:09 * gwern snorts
2008-03-17 16:10 < Shiroi_Neko> and attept to exterminate each other
2008-03-17 16:10 * Shiroi_Neko puts gwern into the Tarrak quare
2008-03-17 16:10 < Shiroi_Neko> square
2008-03-17 16:10 < gwern> and they're all chaste and celibate, yeah right
2008-03-17 16:11 < Shiroi_Neko> okay
2008-03-17 16:11 * Shiroi_Neko puts gwern on Mejere
2008-03-17 16:11 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern 4 guys and 150 women
2008-03-17 16:11 < Shiroi_Neko> I like that
2008-03-17 16:11 < Shiroi_Neko> down with the sausage fest!
2008-03-17 16:12 < gwern> and up with the harem?
2008-03-17 16:12 < gwern> and fantasy fulfillment... next they'll start cloning belldandies
2008-03-17 16:12 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern COUGH
2008-03-17 16:12 < Shiroi_Neko> No one clones Bell-chan and lives the next dday
2008-03-17 16:12 < gwern> and some skulds for the closet pedophiles
2008-03-17 16:13 < Shiroi_Neko> I swear I would crash an A380 on them
2008-03-17 16:13 * gwern reports Shiroi_Neko to the eff-bee-eye
2008-03-17 16:14 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern so i suppose you are also an anime otaku?
2008-03-17 16:17 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: just a smidgen. I own hardly any anime or paraphernalia
2008-03-17 16:17 * gwern does have this cute fanart poster of an alternative ending to Death Note, but that's about it
2008-03-17 16:18 < Shiroi_Neko> I own no anime merchendise
2008-03-17 16:18 < Shiroi_Neko> I am always on the move
2008-03-17 16:18 < Shiroi_Neko> I dont have the space
2008-03-17 16:18 * Shiroi_Neko travels more than jimbo
2008-03-17 16:18 * Shiroi_Neko changes more continents
2008-03-17 16:18 * Shiroi_Neko thinks jimbo as a stationary object in comparasion
2008-03-17 16:19 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: you a military brat?
2008-03-17 16:19 < Shiroi_Neko> I am not millitary
2008-03-17 16:20 < Shiroi_Neko> yet I am millitary
2008-03-17 16:20 < Shiroi_Neko> yet again I am not
2008-03-17 16:20 < Shiroi_Neko> ah the chaos theory
2008-03-17 16:20 * Shiroi_Neko is a spy
2008-03-17 16:20 < gwern> confusing. diplomatic corps perhaps?
2008-03-17 16:20 * Shiroi_Neko spies on Arria
2008-03-17 16:21 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:White_Cat/ja#.E6.97.85.E2.80.A6.E2.80.A6
2008-03-17 16:22 < Chicablog> what is it with everybody having conference mode on o.O
2008-03-17 16:23 < gwern> hee. I find 300 funny 'you threaten my people with slavery and death' <-- yeah, like sparta wasn't already *more* enslaved than anywhere in persia? 90/10 slave:free ratio is not free by any means, unless you're on top of the heap
2008-03-17 16:23 < gwern> it's so historically inept
2008-03-17 16:23 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern err
2008-03-17 16:23 < Chicablog> sparta
2008-03-17 16:23 < Shiroi_Neko> slaves arent people
2008-03-17 16:23 < Chicablog> i'm studying sparta rite nao
2008-03-17 16:23 < Shiroi_Neko> they are property
2008-03-17 16:24 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: lol
2008-03-17 16:24 < Messedrocker> under US law they are actually 3/5th of a person
2008-03-17 16:24 < Shiroi_Neko> I was quoting a supreme court ruling
2008-03-17 16:24 < gwern> it'd be hard to cosplay as those guards though
2008-03-17 16:24 < gwern> Messedrocker: only for purposes of districting :)
2008-03-17 16:24 < Messedrocker> and taxation, gwern
2008-03-17 16:25 < gwern> yeah, that was the other side of the coin
2008-03-17 16:26 < gwern> now, if the elders live on top of such a steep rock that the king of sparta can barely climb up, how do they get their supplies?
2008-03-17 16:26 < gwern> 'We've been expecting you, young Skywalker... er, I mean, King Leonidas'
2008-03-17 16:27 < Shiroi_Neko> Since 1997, the United States Department of Justice has, through work with the Coalition of Immokalee Workers, prosecuted six individuals on charges of slavery in the agricultural industry. These prosecutions have led to freedom for over 1000 slaves in the tomato and orange fields of South Florida.
2008-03-17 16:27 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern they use an escolator
2008-03-17 16:27 < Shiroi_Neko> see the rear view of sparta is a walmart
2008-03-17 16:28 < NotACow> the tomato fields
2008-03-17 16:28 < Shiroi_Neko> walmart is also slavery
2008-03-17 16:28 < gwern> and people say slavery was dying because it wouldn't've been economical
2008-03-17 16:28 < Golbez> i love my tivo so much
2008-03-17 16:29 < Shiroi_Neko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_v._Mann
2008-03-17 16:29 < Shiroi_Neko> Golbez and let me guess
2008-03-17 16:29 < Shiroi_Neko> dick cheney ate it
2008-03-17 16:29 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern dick cheney is flying toward me
2008-03-17 16:29 < Shiroi_Neko> I am very depressed
2008-03-17 16:29 < Shiroi_Neko> :(
2008-03-17 16:30 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: fear for iran. I remember cheney visiting the middle east ostensibly to find a peaceful solution for iraq...
2008-03-17 16:31 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern and he did
2008-03-17 16:31 < Shiroi_Neko> he decided to ffree iraqis
2008-03-17 16:31 < Shiroi_Neko> Iraq is free
2008-03-17 16:31 < Shiroi_Neko> more than somalia
2008-03-17 16:31 < Shiroi_Neko> a free for all
2008-03-17 16:31 < Golbez> Shiroi_Neko- what
2008-03-17 16:31 < Golbez> why would dick cheney eat my beloved tivo
2008-03-17 16:31 < Shiroi_Neko> Golbez just to upset you
2008-03-17 16:31 < Shiroi_Neko> Cheney is like that
2008-03-17 16:32 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: that was not a peaceful solution
2008-03-17 16:32 < Golbez> somalia used to be freer than iraq, some places still are, in a good way
2008-03-17 16:32 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern it was for the dead
2008-03-17 16:32 < Shiroi_Neko> they resi in peace right?
2008-03-17 16:33 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: only if masses were said fortheir souls
2008-03-17 16:34 < gwern> those poor heathen bastards. they will burn unpeacefully in hell
2008-03-17 16:35 < Lubaf> Hey.
2008-03-17 16:35 < Lubaf> How's mothballs?
2008-03-17 16:36 < gwern> cedary
2008-03-17 16:37 < Leslie_S> how common is it for cars to have the "unleaded gas only" warning in 3 different languages on one car?
2008-03-17 16:37 < gwern> Leslie_S: I wouldn't use any leaded gas. they mean it!
2008-03-17 16:38 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern
2008-03-17 16:38 < Shiroi_Neko> My sources tell me about a million people died in iraq
2008-03-17 16:39 < Shiroi_Neko> 1000000/(365.25*(2008-2003)) = 547.570157
2008-03-17 16:39 < Shiroi_Neko> thats about half a thousand people a day
2008-03-17 16:40 < gwern> sounds about right; ~1m excess deaths, 4 million refugees, and so on
2008-03-17 16:40 < Shiroi_Neko> what is the popultion growth I mean decline in iraq?
2008-03-17 16:40 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern I think we all now now bombing police stations randomly is bad practice
2008-03-17 16:41 < Shiroi_Neko> Female suicide bomber kills 33 in Iraq
2008-03-17 16:41 < gwern> why? seemed to work. gave them time to infiltrate the shit of the security apparatus
2008-03-17 16:41 < Shiroi_Neko> Mejereian!
2008-03-17 16:42 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern if you blow every police station who is to enforce law?
2008-03-17 16:42 < Leslie_S> gwern well its a european car, but ...heh.
2008-03-17 16:42 < Shiroi_Neko> giving them humvees a few months later does not help
2008-03-17 16:42 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: if you're an insurgent, lack of law is only an ally
2008-03-17 16:42 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern not quite
2008-03-17 16:43 < gwern> it undermines the legitimacy of the government, and since government is a shared hallucination...
2008-03-17 16:43 < Shiroi_Neko> insurgent isnt a uniformed front in iraq
2008-03-17 16:43 < Shiroi_Neko> there are many factions
2008-03-17 16:43 < Shiroi_Neko> which work together on ocasions
2008-03-17 16:43 < Shiroi_Neko> they despise each other
2008-03-17 16:43 < Shiroi_Neko> but they despise the US more
2008-03-17 16:43 < Leslie_S> I feel like im in a poli sci class now.
2008-03-17 16:43 < Leslie_S> lols
2008-03-17 16:44 < Shiroi_Neko> Leslie_S mind if I lecture you?
2008-03-17 16:44 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: yes, but each one benefits from the destruction of the central government - if they had already captured the regulators, why would they be insurgents?
2008-03-17 16:44 * Shiroi_Neko uses a whip
2008-03-17 16:44 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern to esablish a legiemante overnment
2008-03-17 16:44 < Shiroi_Neko> insurgents want a sstable iraq
2008-03-17 16:44 < Shiroi_Neko> the one they control
2008-03-17 16:45 < Shiroi_Neko> An Iran/Syria or Saudi Arabia vasal state never the less
2008-03-17 16:46 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern do you think Bush will run for office again?
2008-03-17 16:46 < Shiroi_Neko> as in bush family
2008-03-17 16:46 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: no. I get the impression that GWB is sick of being president
2008-03-17 16:46 < Shiroi_Neko> but jeb bush isnt
2008-03-17 16:46 < Shiroi_Neko> GWB is not a president
2008-03-17 16:46 < gwern> and jeb is out of the running for '08, obviously, except for VP which is possible
2008-03-17 16:46 < Shiroi_Neko> he is the deicder
2008-03-17 16:46 < Shiroi_Neko> the uniter
2008-03-17 16:47 < Shiroi_Neko> the zuckini eater
2008-03-17 16:47 < gwern> unliekyl I think, but possible
2008-03-17 16:47 * Shiroi_Neko drops effeietsanders
2008-03-17 16:47 < Shiroi_Neko> seE?
2008-03-17 16:48 < gwern> and of course, the bush twins are on the right career path for politics. idle away a few years doing charitable work
2008-03-17 16:48 < gwern> and then run for something in texas or get appointed to something
2008-03-17 16:50 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern I think bushes will need to be exterminated
2008-03-17 16:50 * Shiroi_Neko sends a dalek fleet
2008-03-17 16:50 < Shiroi_Neko> why cant US presidents suffer the fait of US presidents in doctor who
2008-03-17 16:50 < Cyrius> debushification
2008-03-17 16:50 < gwern> and I especially hate this scene where leonidas denigrates the militia of the acadians!
2008-03-17 16:51 < gwern> yeah, like the spartans weren't ever UTTERLY OBLITERATED by the Thebans' militia
2008-03-17 16:51 < cimon> gwern, talking about The 300 ?
2008-03-17 16:51 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern no they werent
2008-03-17 16:51 < Shiroi_Neko> a few survived
2008-03-17 16:51 < Shiroi_Neko> and they became sex slaves :)
2008-03-17 16:52 < gwern> cimon: yes
2008-03-17 16:52 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: har
2008-03-17 16:52 * Ceiling_Cat huggles gwern
2008-03-17 16:52 * gwern sticks Shiroi_Neko in the orgasmatron. No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to come once permaturely and die!
2008-03-17 16:52 < cimon> gwern, I haven't seen the movie, but my understanding is that The Persians aren't given credit for half the political finesse they possessed...
2008-03-17 16:52 < gwern> cimon: there is so much an educated person could find to dislike about 300. case in point: the ninjas
2008-03-17 16:55 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Shiroi_Neko
2008-03-17 16:56 < The359> But the exploding ninjas were awesome
2008-03-17 16:56 < cimon> well, also the title itself, In greek, 300 was represented by Tau
2008-03-17 16:56 < cimon> So basically the Spartans were thetans...
2008-03-17 16:56 < Shiroi_Neko> http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/17/kosovo.un/index.html
2008-03-17 16:57 < Shiroi_Neko> 300 versus NATO
2008-03-17 16:57 < cimon> hmm, sorry theta was number 9
2008-03-17 16:57 < cimon> didn't realize tau and theta were different
2008-03-17 16:58 < The359> that's why they're different words
2008-03-17 16:58 < The359> they're different ;)
2008-03-17 16:58 < gwern> http://gizmodo.com/368651/new-video-of-bigdog-quadruped-robot-is-so-stunning-its-spooky <-- someone is going to make a fortune off of selling this as pets and horse simulators
2008-03-17 16:58 < Ceiling_Cat> Gay Ex-Gov Claims Threesome Tryst
2008-03-17 16:58 < Ceiling_Cat> He says yes. She says no. He says yes. Former New Jersey Gov. Jim McGreevey said Monday he and his wife and a male aide engaged in sexual threesomes, contradicting a denial issued hours earlier by his estranged wife.
2008-03-17 16:58 < Ceiling_Cat> - http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDo7RlIzAogFu-WdYiksEmyXPhHwD8VFDKV82
2008-03-17 16:59 < The359> who cares?
2008-03-17 16:59 < cimon> The359 momentarily I thought tau and theta were of a different language, silly me.
2008-03-17 16:59 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat were you the male aide?
2008-03-17 16:59 * Ceiling_Cat watched
2008-03-17 16:59 < Shiroi_Neko> O_O
2008-03-17 16:59 * Ceiling_Cat always watches
2008-03-17 16:59 * Shiroi_Neko watches Ceiling_Cat watch White_Cat watch Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-17 17:00 < Shiroi_Neko> must be hate
2008-03-17 17:02 < Demi> i don't think ceiling_cat watches people having threesomes
2008-03-17 17:02 < gwern> man, this SUL pilot makes me wish I was an admin
2008-03-17 17:03 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern can any admin test it?
2008-03-17 17:03 < Shiroi_Neko> or just en,wiki
2008-03-17 17:03 < gwern> do you think RFA would accept that? 'I'm nominating myself because I wanna use SUL'
2008-03-17 17:04 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern I would vote support which equals a net 3 oppose votes
2008-03-17 17:04 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: dunno. I assume that since SUL applies to all wikis, it'd be all admins that could log into toher wikis
2008-03-17 17:05 < Shiroi_Neko> you could ask for adminship on test wiki
2008-03-17 17:05 < gwern> that is a silly suggestion
2008-03-17 17:05 < cimon> Demi, I rather doubt Ceiling_Cat has ever seen a threesome performed...
2008-03-17 17:05 < Shiroi_Neko> nope just en.wiki
2008-03-17 17:06 < Shiroi_Neko> cimon you have no idea
2008-03-17 17:06 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat how does the tool look
2008-03-17 17:07 < gwern> 'punctuality is the politeness of kings'
2008-03-17 17:09 * Ceiling_Cat huggles gwern_cat
2008-03-17 17:10 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat I have intel that something terribl is about to happen
2008-03-17 17:10 * Shiroi_Neko hides under a pillow
2008-03-17 17:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Shiroi_Neko - it's all right, I'm sure he'll be gentle
2008-03-17 17:11 * Ceiling_Cat watches
2008-03-17 17:11 < Shiroi_Neko> I dont think cheney is ever gentle
2008-03-17 17:11 < Shiroi_Neko> he is on his way for a middle east tour
2008-03-17 17:12 < Shiroi_Neko> I hope his plane crashes on baghdad and he survives
2008-03-17 17:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Dick Cheney is the crown prince of darkness
2008-03-17 17:12 < Ceiling_Cat> he sucks the life out of anything he touches
2008-03-17 17:12 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat he isnt the price
2008-03-17 17:12 < Shiroi_Neko> he is the queen
2008-03-17 17:12 < Shiroi_Neko> he is actuay female
2008-03-17 17:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Time for dinner
2008-03-17 17:12 < Ceiling_Cat> BBL
2008-03-17 17:12 < Shiroi_Neko> all he needs to do is touch a jewl on her neck
2008-03-17 17:14 < Shiroi_Neko> gwern can I call you alien-san?
2008-03-17 17:15 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: only if I can call you cuty-wootey-snookey-kun
2008-03-17 17:15 < Shiroi_Neko> cuty-wootey-snookey-kun is not a valid title
2008-03-17 17:16 < AppleBoy> yes, yes it does
2008-03-17 17:16 < Shiroi_Neko> www.cuty-wootey-snookey-kun.com
2008-03-17 17:16 < Shiroi_Neko> unlike http://www.alien-san.com/
2008-03-17 17:17 < Shiroi_Neko> which looks like a socksite btw
2008-03-17 17:19 < ST47> >.>
2008-03-17 17:20 < The359> That robot looks so much like the mechas in Metal Gear Solid 4
2008-03-17 17:23 < ST47> 'wiki'
2008-03-17 17:23 < ST47> >.>
2008-03-17 17:23 < NotACow> http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/29119248 <- gross
2008-03-17 17:24 < ST47> wiki: Hello?
2008-03-17 17:24 < wiki> hello
2008-03-17 17:24 < wiki> hey
2008-03-17 17:27 < ST47> Seems that admins are getting SUL switched on sometime soon for testing purposes
2008-03-17 17:28 < Shiroi_Neko> The359 huh?
2008-03-17 17:30 < ST47> Whoa. What's this gadgets tab in preferences?
2008-03-17 17:30 < ST47> This is new...
2008-03-17 17:30 < ST47> Or I'm just out of date...
2008-03-17 17:30 < The359> very
2008-03-17 17:31 < ST47> There was once I time when I could talk in this channel without talking to myself
2008-03-17 17:35 < gwern> and this immortals commentary is worse! they weren't called immortals because they were invincible, they were the Imoortals because they were always replaced!
2008-03-17 17:36 < ShakespeareFan00> HI ST47
2008-03-17 17:36 < ST47> Hi
2008-03-17 17:36 < ST47> (It took at least 15 keystrokes for me to type 'hi')
2008-03-17 17:36 < The359> epic fail
2008-03-17 17:37 < ST47> Jesus christ, this place is worse than ED nowadays.
2008-03-17 17:37 < ST47> At least they talk there
2008-03-17 17:37 < cimon> gwern: right. Do you know why the roman gladius is short, and the roman centuries rarely had as much as 100 men...
2008-03-17 17:38 < gwern> cimon: short so it be less unwieldy in the press of battle, and the latter because they kept decimating their legions and centuries?
2008-03-17 17:38 < The359> got a bug up your butt, ST47?
2008-03-17 17:39 < Cyrius> ST47: I hadn't noticed the gadgets tab either
2008-03-17 17:39 < ST47> Cyrius: The 'green text on black' thingy on there shouldn't be there, since it more or less sucks
2008-03-17 17:40 < ST47> But I don't have the slightest idea how it's set up
2008-03-17 17:40 < cimon> gwern, latter because after decimating in battle it had to be feasible to join two together under single command, so the idea was that a centurion should be able to lead a century composed of two decimated centuries combined.
2008-03-17 17:40 < cimon> gwern: the former because the reach of a blade is not determined by its lenght alone, but by the arm and blade combined.
2008-03-17 17:43 < gwern> cimon: so... what, legionnaires had to have a long arm?
2008-03-17 17:44 < cimon> gwern, no, but the blade and arm had to work together.
2008-03-17 17:44 < gwern> ST47: I like the green on black thing
2008-03-17 17:44 < gwern> although it doesn't work well with the Modern skin
2008-03-17 17:45 < ST47> gwern: It breaks very easily
2008-03-17 17:45 < ST47> and looks ugly when it does
2008-03-17 17:45 < ST47> for example, redlinks
2008-03-17 17:45 < ST47> The 'this page does not exist' box
2008-03-17 17:47 < cimon> gwern: the point about the centuries was that they weren't a hundred strong to begin with, but usually at most 80
2008-03-17 17:48 < gwern> hm. wikied is worth for the syntax highlighting alone
2008-03-17 17:48 < cimon> but if you had them at 100 strong, you could do bad stuff to a legion by concentrating on the centurions, since regrouping would be unfeasible.
2008-03-17 17:49 < ST47> I strongly dislike wysiwyg editors
2008-03-17 17:49 < gwern> wikied isn't really wysiwyg, at least, it looks just like syntax highlighted normal wikimarkup to me
2008-03-17 17:50 < ST47> mm
2008-03-17 17:50 < ST47> yes it does
2008-03-17 17:50 < ST47> that might be nice
2008-03-17 17:50 < Cyrius> I love how the Wikitech-l discussion of the SUL test instantly degenerates into a flamewar about freedom
2008-03-17 17:50 < Cyrius> er, wait, not love, the other thing
2008-03-17 17:50 < Cyrius> hate!
2008-03-17 17:50 < ST47> Find and replace!!
2008-03-17 17:50 < ST47> With Regexes!!!
2008-03-17 17:50 * ST47 hurries to get wiked
2008-03-17 17:51 < Cyrius> wikEd is the standard? =)
2008-03-17 17:51 < ST47> Cyrius: That's pretty much the story of wikitech
2008-03-17 17:51 < TheLetterE_away> hey ST47
2008-03-17 17:51 < Cyrius> the thing that pisses me off is that it's just one guy trolling the list
2008-03-17 17:52 < ST47> Though, you must be talking about something other than I
2008-03-17 17:52 < ST47> Cyrius: the "SUL pilot" thread?
2008-03-17 17:52 < zvook> L
2008-03-17 17:52 < ST47> Hey, TheLetterE_away
2008-03-17 17:52 < Cyrius> yes
2008-03-17 17:53 < cimon> Cyrius, is that discussion the same one that resulted from david gerard forwarding it to that other list?
2008-03-17 17:53 < gwern> Cyrius: wikied is less standard than lupin's popups, afaik
2008-03-17 17:53 < ST47> I only see 2 posts, one with no content at all and the other one is by Tim
2008-03-17 17:53 < ST47> And I don't think Tim is trolling
2008-03-17 17:53 < ST47> :
2008-03-17 17:53 < ST47> :)
2008-03-17 17:53 < cimon> Cyrius, or is there more on Wikitech?
2008-03-17 17:54 < Cyrius> it's the cross-post into wikien-l
2008-03-17 17:54 < Cyrius> this WJhonson guy
2008-03-17 17:54 < cimon> Cyrius: good, so I don't have to see the wikitech archives to see more...
2008-03-17 17:54 < Cyrius> "This is not what Ayn Rand wanted, nor what she advocated.
2008-03-17 17:54 < Cyrius> It is however what the Communist Party advocates."
2008-03-17 17:55 < Demi> nice
2008-03-17 17:55 < Cyrius> "letting admins go first = communism"
2008-03-17 17:55 < ST47> Oh
2008-03-17 17:55 < ST47> I don't subscribe to wikien
2008-03-17 17:55 < ST47> Because it's usually nonsense
2008-03-17 17:55 < NotASpy> a wise choice, sir.
2008-03-17 17:55 < cimon> Cyrius: That is just about the silliest thread in a long time, that wasn't about something entirely trivial... (meaning here that SUL is significant)
2008-03-17 17:55 < ST47> SUL? Significant? Nah!
2008-03-17 17:56 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-17 17:56 < NotASpy> you know they've had it working and some accounts were merged
2008-03-17 17:56 < ST47> Yeah
2008-03-17 17:56 < NotASpy> wasn't sure if you've been about much recently
2008-03-17 17:57 < cimon> ST47, it will lead to being able to switch ones interface language within different language projects to be your own language, you mark my words...
2008-03-17 17:57 < ST47> cimon: That
2008-03-17 17:57 < Messedrocker> CEILING CAT IS MASTURBATING
2008-03-17 17:57 < Demi> no, the interface is an entirely different thing
2008-03-17 17:57 < ST47> That isn't really easy with the way it's implemented
2008-03-17 17:58 < cimon> And later it will be standard to be able to see multiple language articles side by side. The lion shall lie down with the lamb.
2008-03-17 17:58 < ST47> (If it's still implemented the way it was when I looked at it)
2008-03-17 17:58 < ST47> (Last year...)
2008-03-17 17:58 < Cyrius> and the LTR will lie down with the RTL, I think
2008-03-17 17:58 < ST47> Cyrius: The horror!!!
2008-03-17 17:59 < ST47> RTL still scares me.
2008-03-17 17:59 < cimon> Cyrius, RTL? The German Television channel?
2008-03-17 17:59 < ST47> I don't even know how to use it :)
2008-03-17 17:59 < Cyrius> right to left
2008-03-17 17:59 < ST47> I start typing and everything's backwards
2008-03-17 17:59 < cimon> Cyrius, Pretty sure you could achieve that by reading the same text in hebrew and english side by side.
2008-03-17 18:00 < ST47> cimon: I think that's what he meant
2008-03-17 18:00 < NotASpy> I can do that anyway.
2008-03-17 18:00 < Cyrius> <cimon> And later it will be standard to be able to see multiple language articles side by side.
2008-03-17 18:00 < Cyrius> and then you lion and lamb, and I proposed that LTR and RTL is more appropriate
2008-03-17 18:01 < NotASpy> I could bodge something together in VB.net in about 2 minutes, or I could use the software my laptop came with for splitting the monitor in two. There's open source software that does the same.
2008-03-17 18:01 < Cyrius> ...it's not that complex a joke
2008-03-17 18:01 * ST47 whacks NotASpy
2008-03-17 18:01 < cimon> Cyrius, well, I didn't immediately recognise the TLA's
2008-03-17 18:02 < cimon> Cyrius, and being a dyed inthe wool geek, I suffer from being unneccessarily literal, from time to time.
2008-03-17 18:03 < NotASpy> ST47: viewing articles side by side doesn't need to be a SUL dependent idea.
2008-03-17 18:03 < ST47> I didn't say it was
2008-03-17 18:04 < ST47> I was talking about interface language
2008-03-17 18:04 < ST47> I think
2008-03-17 18:04 < NotASpy> that could be bodged together through some VB.net programme, though that would take a few more minutes to program.
2008-03-17 18:07 < Demi> no, there is more to the mediawiki pages than that
2008-03-17 18:08 < smallfoot-> can an admin delete some articles for me? plz
2008-03-17 18:08 < Demi> you can't just serve en pages surrounded by es form values, styles, html and whatnot
2008-03-17 18:08 < Demi> especially the whatnot
2008-03-17 18:08 < cimon> right, there are the interwiki etc.
2008-03-17 18:08 < Demi> there are some basics that are different, that aren't part of the soft interface as well, that are in php files
2008-03-17 18:08 < Demi> such as the namespaces
2008-03-17 18:09 < ST47> smallfoot-: [[WP:CSD]]
2008-03-17 18:10 < cimon> also there is the perennial problem of interwikis pointing to articles in a different language that aren't exact matches, because the same headwords cover different ground in different languages.
2008-03-17 18:10 < smallfoot-> it not important, i can just blank them els
2008-03-17 18:11 < cimon> the granularity - lumpiness of different languages for instance varies widely (and indeed, even swings wildly in some projects over time)
2008-03-17 18:11 < Leslie_S> wow, walmart is goofy
2008-03-17 18:11 < Leslie_S> im on a walmart associates website that can only be used when youre not at work. it comes up with "
2008-03-17 18:11 < Leslie_S> NOMINATE ASSOCIATES FOR AWARD FOR ETHICAL COURAGE ON THE WIRE
2008-03-17 18:11 < Leslie_S> and the wire is a website on their intranet, which can obviously only be accessed at work!
2008-03-17 18:14 < Rockfang> Does anyone know which template can "mush" several article issues into one? :)
2008-03-17 18:15 < Ceiling_Cat> However, imagine that the duck did not believe it was a duck. The best way to convince it that it is Anatidaen would be to calmly inform the duck that it is, in fact, a duck. Then show proof (webbed feet, bill, etc) proving as much. Shouting at the duck would probably be less than productive.
2008-03-17 18:15 < Rockfang> odd conversation
2008-03-17 18:15 < Demi> my favorite are always the <a href="C:\Documents and Settings\Joe Dingbat\My Documents\My Pictures\Awesome Blossom (Outback).JPEG">a flower!</a> links
2008-03-17 18:15 < Ceiling_Cat> --[[Wikipedia:Call a spade a spade]]
2008-03-17 18:15 < Messedrocker> CALL CEILING CAT A PERVERTED I-TALIAN
2008-03-17 18:15 < ShakespeareFan00> Anyone familar with 60's counter culture?
2008-03-17 18:16 * Ceiling_Cat steals Messedrocker's precious innocence, gives it to Rockfang
2008-03-17 18:16 < ShakespeareFan00> I note with interest Wikipedia has an article on ]]Magic School Bus]]
2008-03-17 18:16 < ShakespeareFan00> being the 90's TV series..
2008-03-17 18:16 < Rockfang> thanks?
2008-03-17 18:16 < Cyrius> Rockfang: most of them just stack by themselves
2008-03-17 18:17 < Demi> Rockfang - many people read your question, but if they don't have an answer, they figure you don't want 200 people say "i don't know!"
2008-03-17 18:17 < ShakespeareFan00> However IIRC the term 'Magic School Bus' was also used in realtion to the vehicle used by a 60's counter culture arts group
2008-03-17 18:17 < Ceiling_Cat> what's the template for saying that an article is not emo enough?
2008-03-17 18:17 < Rockfang> Demi..ok
2008-03-17 18:17 < Demi> you're thinking of ken kesey, ShakespeareFan00
2008-03-17 18:17 < Rockfang> Demi...i was thanking Ceiling_Cat for the innocence fyi
2008-03-17 18:17 < ShakespeareFan00> Shouldn't Magic School Bus thus be a disambig?
2008-03-17 18:17 < Rockfang> :)
2008-03-17 18:17 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: {{whine moar}}
2008-03-17 18:17 < Demi> Rockfang - ha, alright
2008-03-17 18:18 < Demi> ignore me, probably the best policy anyway
2008-03-17 18:18 < Cyrius> [[Magic Bus (song)]]
2008-03-17 18:18 < Demi> ShakespeareFan00 - i don't know that it was called that
2008-03-17 18:18 < Ceiling_Cat> Rockfang - you're welcome
2008-03-17 18:18 < Rockfang> lol
2008-03-17 18:18 * Ceiling_Cat is like the robin hood of innocence - stealing from the rich to give to the poor
2008-03-17 18:18 < Demi> magic bus, yes, magic school bus, not sure
2008-03-17 18:18 < NotASpy> there's better songs by The Who than Magic Bus though.
2008-03-17 18:18 < Cyrius> [[Magic Bus]] is a disambig, has no references to arts groups
2008-03-17 18:18 < Rockfang> Cyrius...they do "stack" but thought ive seen a template that does it. i could be wrong
2008-03-17 18:18 < ShakespeareFan00> I think they called thier 'bus' the Magic School Bus
2008-03-17 18:19 < ShakespeareFan00> but I don't have a {{fact}} able reference on it
2008-03-17 18:19 < Cyrius> Rockfang: there was a big redesign of them a few months ago to make them do it, might have been something old still around
2008-03-17 18:19 < Demi> well, read up on the merry pranksters and see if you can find one
2008-03-17 18:19 < Rockfang> ok. i'll keep searching
2008-03-17 18:19 < ShakespeareFan00> Knowing the previous refernece always ammused me when the animated series bus did physcedilc like things ;)
2008-03-17 18:20 < ShakespeareFan00> Which is pure inoccent coincidence of course :)
2008-03-17 18:21 < Rockfang> anyone watch nba basketball?
2008-03-17 18:21 < Cyrius> Rockfang: I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for
2008-03-17 18:21 < Ceiling_Cat> btw, Not the Wikipedia Weekly in one hour
2008-03-17 18:21 < Rockfang> Cyrius..ok..when an article has an issue like {{unreferenced}} it puts a box at the top of the page
2008-03-17 18:21 < Cyrius> yes
2008-03-17 18:21 < ShakespeareFan00> Demi: I am sure the ken kesey Bus was called the MSB once - and was reffered to as such in a BBC documentary
2008-03-17 18:22 < Rockfang> well, i've seem some articles where they have multiple issues all in one box. looks neater than 6 boxes
2008-03-17 18:22 < Cyrius> [[Palestinian territories]]
2008-03-17 18:22 < Cyrius> are you calling that one box or two?
2008-03-17 18:23 < Rockfang> that is two :)
2008-03-17 18:23 < Cyrius> okay then, now I know what you're talking about
2008-03-17 18:23 < Rockfang> cool. ty :)
2008-03-17 18:23 < ShakespeareFan00> I don't recall when it aired though
2008-03-17 18:23 < ShakespeareFan00> One for the reference desk?
2008-03-17 18:23 < Cyrius> there's some templates that just combine a few issues
2008-03-17 18:23 < Rockfang> ok
2008-03-17 18:26 < Ceiling_Cat> Florida Democrats Won't Hold Re-Do Primary
2008-03-17 18:26 < Ceiling_Cat> Party Chairwoman Cites Lack Of Support For Idea; Fate Of Delegates Now Rests With DNC
2008-03-17 18:26 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/17/politics/main3946268.shtml
2008-03-17 18:26 < ShakespeareFan00> Demi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_School_Bus has been disambiged
2008-03-17 18:26 < ShakespeareFan00> :)
2008-03-17 18:26 < Cyrius> Ceiling_Cat: it's amazing
2008-03-17 18:26 < ShakespeareFan00> If anyone can find a WP:RS to say the Pranskters BUS was ever termed the Magic School Bus, I would be grateful :)
2008-03-17 18:27 < Cyrius> an election that was unloseable, and the democrats are finding ways to fuck it up
2008-03-17 18:27 < ShakespeareFan00> (AFIAK it was termed such in a BBC documentary)
2008-03-17 18:28 < Cyrius> Rockfang: you mean something like [[Template:Totally-disputed]] ?
2008-03-17 18:28 < Rockfang> nope hehe
2008-03-17 18:28 * Mike_H cuddles privatemusings :DD
2008-03-17 18:29 < Rockfang> it lists the indiviual problems
2008-03-17 18:29 < privatemusings> g'day folks.....
2008-03-17 18:29 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: gutsy, but I doubt they'll get their delegates reseated
2008-03-17 18:29 < gwern> obama;s doing well
2008-03-17 18:30 < Rockfang> Cyrius....Template:Articleissues
2008-03-17 18:30 < Rockfang> found it. with your link...ty
2008-03-17 18:30 < Cyrius> heh, wasn't familiar with that one
2008-03-17 18:31 < Cyrius> that's complicated =O
2008-03-17 18:31 < Rockfang> but it looks better on an article in my opinion
2008-03-17 18:31 * Mike_H pokes privatemusings
2008-03-17 18:31 < privatemusings> g'day mike
2008-03-17 18:31 * privatemusings is slow today!
2008-03-17 18:32 < cimon> My favorite bit of news was the swearing in of that Blind guy to replace the whoremonger.
2008-03-17 18:33 < Mike_H> Cyrius: My shitty reality TV quota has gone up since I found out Celebrity Fit Club's back!
2008-03-17 18:33 < Cyrius> oh lord
2008-03-17 18:34 < Mike_H> it's the newbies vs. the second chancers
2008-03-17 18:34 < Mike_H> four new celebrities and four celebrities from past seasons
2008-03-17 18:34 < cimon> I guess Bill Patterson (or whatever his name is) has atleast one sense less to lead him astray...
2008-03-17 18:35 < cimon> Though I can bet they are going to make jokes about the blind leading the blind, by and by.
2008-03-17 18:35 < cimon> Or are they, political correctness considered? Hm I wonder.
2008-03-17 18:36 < Demi> i think the blind guy has already had a non-joke credibility-establishing political career
2008-03-17 18:36 < Mike_H> Cyrius: Let me put it this way
2008-03-17 18:36 < Mike_H> we've finally found the skankiest washed-up celeb
2008-03-17 18:36 < Mike_H> and I never expected it to be Joanie Cunningham
2008-03-17 18:37 < cimon> "In the night after the battle he held a council of war. It was decided that
2008-03-17 18:37 < cimon> the attack should not be renewed, for there was no prospect of a second
2008-03-17 18:37 < cimon> attempt giving better results. Artemisia was directed to convey Prince
2008-03-17 18:37 < cimon> Artaxerxes, the heir of the Empire, back to Asia."
2008-03-17 18:38 < ancjr> tina yothers gets my vote
2008-03-17 18:38 < Mike_H> ancjr: We know why ;)
2008-03-17 18:38 < ancjr> :D
2008-03-17 18:38 < ancjr> i vote her off the island
2008-03-17 18:38 < Mike_H> Sgt.: Tina, why'd you get fat?
2008-03-17 18:38 < ancjr> and into my pickup truck
2008-03-17 18:38 < Mike_H> Tina: I had a baby six weeks ago.
2008-03-17 18:38 < ancjr> for some offraod action
2008-03-17 18:39 < Mike_H> Sgt.: Congratulations. So what happened to you, Toccara? You have a baby too? What's your excuse?
2008-03-17 18:39 < Mike_H> Toccara looked like she was bitchslapped, it was fabulous
2008-03-17 18:39 < ancjr> :)
2008-03-17 18:57 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-17 19:01 < Ceiling_Cat> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/16/funny-pictures-hand-of-man-to-write-lolbible/
2008-03-17 19:01 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-03-17 19:01 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: don't laugh at your own works
2008-03-17 19:02 < Kerotan> This cat thing has got out of hand.
2008-03-17 19:03 < Kerotan> I remember when rather good made the cats on the internet famous...
2008-03-17 19:03 < Ceiling_Cat> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-cat-head-saxaphone.jpg
2008-03-17 19:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Worst. Pun. Ever.
2008-03-17 19:03 * Kerotan shakes stick like an old man.
2008-03-17 19:03 < Kerotan> lol
2008-03-17 19:03 < Kerotan> That was so bad it made me laugh.
2008-03-17 19:06 < Messedrocker> ceiling cat is murdering you masturbate
2008-03-17 19:06 < Ceiling_Cat> omg
2008-03-17 19:06 < Ceiling_Cat> I just realized my advisor speaks lolcat
2008-03-17 19:07 < Ceiling_Cat> he's not a native speaker. Here's part of an email he sent me earlier:
2008-03-17 19:07 < Ceiling_Cat> p.s. Does that MTA-2 machine has 40 processors ?
2008-03-17 19:07 * Ceiling_Cat resists the urge to reply yes and a cheezburger too
2008-03-17 19:08 < Kerotan> DO!
2008-03-17 19:08 < Kerotan> He might give you odd looks but none the less.
2008-03-17 19:08 < Kerotan> Film it and put it on youtube.
2008-03-17 19:09 < Ceiling_Cat> btw, on a more serious note
2008-03-17 19:10 < Ceiling_Cat> on feb 27, [[Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 27, 2008]]
2008-03-17 19:10 < Ceiling_Cat> that was the FA
2008-03-17 19:10 < Ceiling_Cat> 2 weeks later, the ships referenced in that write up were found
2008-03-17 19:10 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Search for HMAS Sydney and HSK Kormoran]]
2008-03-17 19:10 < Cyrius> you're so entertained by that
2008-03-17 19:11 < Ceiling_Cat> : )
2008-03-17 19:12 < Ceiling_Cat> I find it an unbelievable coincidence
2008-03-17 19:13 < Cyrius> I find it a completely believable coincidence
2008-03-17 19:13 < Ceiling_Cat> they've been missing for decades
2008-03-17 19:14 < Cyrius> if it was the same day, I'd find that rather implausible
2008-03-17 19:15 < Ceiling_Cat> it's only been two weeks
2008-03-17 19:15 < RichiH> hmm
2008-03-17 19:16 < RichiH> german wikipedia is having problems
2008-03-17 19:16 < Demi> did the articles get to featured status due to recent activity involving them?
2008-03-17 19:16 < Demi> like a search
2008-03-17 19:16 < mexicanbanana> Do no normal people live in Silicon Valey? Or just geeks?
2008-03-17 19:17 < Golbez> someone has to work at the drivethrough
2008-03-17 19:17 < wimt> RichiH, hmm yeah looks like a couple of the European servers just timed out. It happened earlier and fixed itself a few minutes later so hopefully it won't last long.
2008-03-17 19:18 < SS_Lazio> I hacked wiki
2008-03-17 19:18 < cimon> Anyone thing the following is a bit detailed for an article about the UK's smallest cathedral: "In 2005, it was discovered that several Peregrine falcons had taken up residence on the Cathedral Tower. In 2006 a nesting platform was installed, and it is believed that the falcons made a nest in this box in April. In 2007, the falcons returned and have again made a nest on the platform. Thanks to the introduction of webcams this year, it had been con
2008-03-17 19:18 < cimon> firmed that four eggs were laid and two chicks hatched out on Thursday, 10th May.
2008-03-17 19:18 < Ceiling_Cat> wikidown
2008-03-17 19:19 < wimt> It's up but barely moving for me.
2008-03-17 19:19 < wimt> And now just not loading.
2008-03-17 19:19 < cimon> it is serving pages, but at the speedo of a pitch drop
2008-03-17 19:20 < Stormscape> Holy crap Wikipedia is loading realy slow right now
2008-03-17 19:20 < Ceiling_Cat> It's effectively down
2008-03-17 19:20 < Juliancolton> Wikipedia is down
2008-03-17 19:20 < Stormscape> Like a fat guy riding a scooter designed for somebody 1/3 his weight.
2008-03-17 19:20 < Ceiling_Cat> Hurricanehink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2008-03-17 19:20 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Hurricanehink
2008-03-17 19:20 < Hurricanehink> Hey!
2008-03-17 19:21 < Hurricanehink> I was lonely since the site was temporarily borked
2008-03-17 19:21 < Stormscape> Annoying cause I wanted to read about Mesonychoteuthis hamiltoni.
2008-03-17 19:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Hurricanehink - I have the solution for you
2008-03-17 19:21 < Hurricanehink> I wanted to get my RFA thanks out in the mail
2008-03-17 19:21 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
2008-03-17 19:21 < Ceiling_Cat> that should halp calm the cravings
2008-03-17 19:21 < Casull> THIS IS MADNESS
2008-03-17 19:21 < Casull> NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I EVER SEEN WIKIPEDIA DOWN
2008-03-17 19:21 < Kingturtle> gmorning
2008-03-17 19:22 < cimon> Kingturtle, Woof, Woof!
2008-03-17 19:22 * Ceiling_Cat remembers the early months of 2004
2008-03-17 19:22 < Demi> 40% translated, holy cray
2008-03-17 19:22 < Kingturtle> hi cimon ltns
2008-03-17 19:22 < Ceiling_Cat> when it took 5 minutes to load a page
2008-03-17 19:22 < Demi> er "crap"
2008-03-17 19:22 < cimon> Kingturtle, What happened to "herro"?
2008-03-17 19:22 < pjoter> whats up with wiki right now?
2008-03-17 19:22 < Hurricanehink> Temporarily borked, it seems
2008-03-17 19:22 < Ceiling_Cat> pjoter - nothing. Thus, it is down
2008-03-17 19:23 < pjoter> kinda down for me
2008-03-17 19:23 < Ceiling_Cat> (bah-dum-ding)
2008-03-17 19:23 < pjoter> mh heh k
2008-03-17 19:23 < Hurricanehink> It's a downer
2008-03-17 19:23 < cimon> Kingturtle, Whats "ltns" denote?
2008-03-17 19:23 < Kingturtle> long time no see
2008-03-17 19:23 < ShakespeareFan00> Celing_Cat: You mean the last major outage?
2008-03-17 19:23 < cimon> no see long time indeed
2008-03-17 19:23 < Ceiling_Cat> wow, wikipedia goes down, and suddenly all the regulars who never come into the channel anymore are back
2008-03-17 19:23 < Kingturtle> ha
2008-03-17 19:24 < pjoter> jiiiha
2008-03-17 19:24 < Mole2> Yeah, its down for me here too. :(
2008-03-17 19:24 < SS_Lazio> yey
2008-03-17 19:24 < SS_Lazio> it's still down
2008-03-17 19:24 < SS_Lazio> I'm happy
2008-03-17 19:24 < pjoter> down down down
2008-03-17 19:24 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page <-- 60% left to translate
2008-03-17 19:24 < SS_Lazio> I don't want to be up again never non no nono n
2008-03-17 19:24 < pjoter> i'm free~!!!oneleven
2008-03-17 19:24 < Hurricanehink> Anyone here from San Francisco? That's where the WM foundation is now
2008-03-17 19:24 < Kingturtle> i remember a time in 2003 when it was down for 3 days
2008-03-17 19:24 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, Kingturtle wasn't that much of a regular ever. He was here for a spell quite frequently, but not a constant 24/7 idler ever.
2008-03-17 19:24 < KTC> the only time to come on here is when wp is down! :P
2008-03-17 19:24 < Master_son> Ceiling_Cat: WP is down
2008-03-17 19:25 < Ceiling_Cat> Master_son - I did not link to WP
2008-03-17 19:25 < Juliancolton> 3 days? :O
2008-03-17 19:25 < SS_Lazio> A world without wikipedia
2008-03-17 19:25 < Master_son> :P
2008-03-17 19:25 < cimon> Kingturtle, Christmas eve to boxing day.
2008-03-17 19:25 < SS_Lazio> a world so much better
2008-03-17 19:25 < Ceiling_Cat> (MOAR CATS!)