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2008-03-17 12:16 < Cyrius> and yes, it's a constant multiple
2008-03-17 12:16 * MindstormsKid wonders how a bit is too big...
2008-03-17 12:16 < Ceiling_Cat> MindstormsKid - it would be a baker's bit
2008-03-17 12:16 < MindstormsKid> :?
2008-03-17 12:16 < Ceiling_Cat> baker's bits are slightly larger than normal bits
2008-03-17 12:17 < MindstormsKid> oh
2008-03-17 12:17 < Cyrius> "...an array of fixed-size blocks, sometimes called sectors, generally a power of 2 in size (512 bytes or 1, 2, or 4 kib are most common)."
2008-03-17 12:18 < gwern> Cyrius: so I suppose that implies that the minimum file size is how ever many bits are in a sector, and not a bit?
2008-03-17 12:18 < ShakespeareFan00> gwern: You run into clusters
2008-03-17 12:18 < Cyrius> 'Most file systems address data in fixed-sized units called "clusters" or "blocks" which contain a certain number of disk sectors (usually 1-64). This is the smallest logical amount of disk space that can be allocated to hold a file.'
2008-03-17 12:18 < ShakespeareFan00> as well
2008-03-17 12:19 < Cyrius> I recall efficiency issues with the old Mac OS HFS as hard drives got bigger
2008-03-17 12:19 < ShakespeareFan00> With more clustres you can have increased grnaularity, and thus have more smaller files or bigger disks
2008-03-17 12:19 < Cyrius> the minimum file size got large enough to be a bit silly
2008-03-17 12:19 < ShakespeareFan00> Cyrius: The same thing happens with FAT
2008-03-17 12:20 < ShakespeareFan00> And it also happened with a number of other systems...
2008-03-17 12:20 < gwern> ShakespeareFan00: I suppose but then you'd have mo cluster accounting overhead
2008-03-17 12:21 < ShakespeareFan00> gwern: Yeah
2008-03-17 12:21 < Ceiling_Cat> As sure as night is dark and day is light // I keep you on my mind both day and night // and happiness I've known proves that it's right // because your mind // I walk the line
2008-03-17 12:21 < Cyrius> "For example, on a 1 GB disk, the allocation block size under HFS is 16 KB..."
2008-03-17 12:21 * Ceiling_Cat NP - Walk the line (Johnny Cash)
2008-03-17 12:26 < Demi> there's a good discussion of the thermodynamic limits of computing with large numbers in Applied Cryptography
2008-03-17 12:27 * Messedrocker tries to think of a cool name
2008-03-17 12:28 < Xorothal> what's going on?
2008-03-17 12:28 < bishonen> "Our servers are currently experiencing a technical problem." :-(
2008-03-17 12:28 < wimt> Back up for me
2008-03-17 12:28 < Xorothal> and me
2008-03-17 12:28 < tgillespie> i get something now
2008-03-17 12:29 < bishonen> down in Northern Europe
2008-03-17 12:29 < bishonen> ah! Back!
2008-03-17 12:30 < The359> WE GET SIGNAL?!
2008-03-17 12:30 < bishonen> with wrong skin
2008-03-17 12:30 < Messedrocker> WHAT !!
2008-03-17 12:31 < EmoBasset> HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN
2008-03-17 12:31 < Ceiling_Cat> BISHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2008-03-17 12:31 < bishonen> hiya Raul
2008-03-17 12:31 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles bishonen
2008-03-17 12:31 * EmoBasset make his time
2008-03-17 12:31 * bishonen simpers
2008-03-17 12:31 < Sgeo> Is Wikipedia broken in any way, or did someone who just came into another channel I'm in just make it up?
2008-03-17 12:31 < Messedrocker> define "broken"
2008-03-17 12:31 < masterfreek64> wikipedia seems to have technical difficulties
2008-03-17 12:31 < The359> it works
2008-03-17 12:31 < bishonen> it's semi-broken
2008-03-17 12:31 < Harski_> serious lag
2008-03-17 12:31 < Ceiling_Cat> we blew us up the servers
2008-03-17 12:31 < masterfreek64> now it works again
2008-03-17 12:31 * The359 is having no problem
2008-03-17 12:32 < Xorothal> lol
2008-03-17 12:32 < The359> Must be Europe?
2008-03-17 12:32 < Demi> sounds like it might be the northern europe squids?
2008-03-17 12:32 < wimt> It was down, but seems ok again
2008-03-17 12:32 < masterfreek64> apparently some servers were down
2008-03-17 12:32 < Xorothal> for me it's a bit slow atm
2008-03-17 12:32 < Sgeo> So it's just lagging for some?
2008-03-17 12:32 < wimt> Yeah, it's an Amsterdam issue
2008-03-17 12:32 < bishonen> northern europe ok now
2008-03-17 12:32 < EmoBasset> Confirmed.
2008-03-17 12:32 < sanata> lamborghını
2008-03-17 12:32 < The359> ?
2008-03-17 12:32 < Gracenotes> so it's up for everyone here?
2008-03-17 12:32 < The359> working for me
2008-03-17 12:32 < Sgeo> Up here
2008-03-17 12:32 < The359> in the US
2008-03-17 12:33 < Kabraxis-> down in Turkey.
2008-03-17 12:33 < sanata> is lamborgını
2008-03-17 12:33 < Wiggler> just came back online here in the uk, been down a while tho
2008-03-17 12:33 < bishonen> up for me. and i'm going through Amsterdam.
2008-03-17 12:33 < Bastien> up in france
2008-03-17 12:33 < Kabraxis-> Um, it come back.
2008-03-17 12:33 < sanata> turkey
2008-03-17 12:33 < Kabraxis-> up in turkey now.
2008-03-17 12:33 < masterfreek64> YOu gotta love distributed linux
2008-03-17 12:33 < Gracenotes> righty
2008-03-17 12:33 < masterfreek64> ~30seconds of downtime
2008-03-17 12:33 < The359> Lamborghini, sanata?
2008-03-17 12:34 < sanata> bilgi verinlan
2008-03-17 12:34 < masterfreek64> grace you are an op -- what happened
2008-03-17 12:34 < Kabraxis-> sanata, #vikipeditr
2008-03-17 12:34 < sanata> what mhat anlamam
2008-03-17 12:34 < sanata> girmio
2008-03-17 12:34 < jcmlUK> i think the cacheyness of the error page was a touch high - it came back as soon as I connected directly ...
2008-03-17 12:34 < sanata> kesinlan
2008-03-17 12:34 < Gracenotes> masterfreek64: nothing, was going ot change the topic from Status Up; the Amsterdam servers were timing out
2008-03-17 12:34 < bishonen> somebody set us up the parrot sketch
2008-03-17 12:35 < sanata> the englısh they
2008-03-17 12:35 < sanata> :D
2008-03-17 12:35 < Gracenotes> it seems they're ok now, apparently
2008-03-17 12:35 < sanata> what now
2008-03-17 12:36 < sanata> my name is fratix
2008-03-17 12:38 < Messedrocker> http://bp1.blogger.com/_8tYhjRqm9wo/R9wlbd1K5_I/AAAAAAAAADE/zzsfVhJxwXA/s1600-h/realmario.jpg
2008-03-17 12:55 < Ceiling_Cat> my phd journal is nearly full
2008-03-17 12:55 < Ceiling_Cat> 2 1/2 years of notes
2008-03-17 12:55 < Ceiling_Cat> I think the current transcription will be the last one
2008-03-17 12:55 < SaxPlayer> phd in wut?
2008-03-17 12:55 < Gracenotes> you held onto a journal for 2.5 years?
2008-03-17 12:56 < Gracenotes> eh, I'd probably lose it after a month or two :|
2008-03-17 12:56 < Ceiling_Cat> SaxPlayer - every time we have a speaker come in to talk to my research group, I take notes and transcribe them into a notebook
2008-03-17 12:56 < Ceiling_Cat> I started in late 2005
2008-03-17 12:56 < Ceiling_Cat> I've filled basically the entire thing now
2008-03-17 12:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Rusty Lusk gets the honor of being the last person in the book
2008-03-17 12:56 < SaxPlayer> fun
2008-03-17 12:57 < SaxPlayer> you're gonna publish it?
2008-03-17 12:57 < Ceiling_Cat> probably wouldn't be of great interest to anyone
2008-03-17 12:58 < Ceiling_Cat> It's more to help me when I sit down to write papers and reference talks
2008-03-17 12:58 < Ceiling_Cat> What did John Feo saying during his talk of January 2007? /me checks journal
2008-03-17 12:58 < Ceiling_Cat> say during*
2008-03-17 12:59 < Ceiling_Cat> stuff like that
2008-03-17 12:59 * Messedrocker is drawing a flowchart
2008-03-17 12:59 < Messedrocker> ...in his mind
2008-03-17 12:59 * Ceiling_Cat watches Messedrocker
2008-03-17 12:59 * Messedrocker needs to sort out two issues
2008-03-17 12:59 < Messedrocker> 1) how could i automatically populate a database of wikipedia revision IDs, in order no less
2008-03-17 13:00 < Gracenotes> download.wikimedia.org?
2008-03-17 13:01 < Messedrocker> too much
2008-03-17 13:01 < Messedrocker> i just need the IDs
2008-03-17 13:01 < Messedrocker> hello Olimar
2008-03-17 13:02 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: seems to be the only option
2008-03-17 13:02 < Gracenotes> it's a massive amount of data to being with, just the IDs
2008-03-17 13:02 < Gracenotes> *begin
2008-03-17 13:03 < SaxPlayer> Ceiling_Cat, i take notes too
2008-03-17 13:03 < Messedrocker> can you download a listing of IDs?
2008-03-17 13:03 < SaxPlayer> and i get paid
2008-03-17 13:03 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: sorry, I don't personally have 2 terabytes worth of space on my hard drive :|
2008-03-17 13:04 < Messedrocker> that's all i want. a listing of article revision IDs, paired up with their respective articles
2008-03-17 13:05 < Gracenotes> ask a server admin, maybe?
2008-03-17 13:05 < Gracenotes> assuming you need them for something important
2008-03-17 13:06 < AppleBoy> no way, it's AfterDeath
2008-03-17 13:06 < AppleBoy> I haven't seen that nick in a long time
2008-03-17 13:08 < mexicanbanana> What is "political blacklisting"?
2008-03-17 13:12 < AppleBoy> mexicanbanana: in what context?
2008-03-17 13:13 < AppleBoy> you could say that fox has politcally blacklisted ron paul
2008-03-17 13:14 < hackmiester> AppleBoy: oh man, fox sure is a reliable news source
2008-03-17 13:16 < mexicanbanana> AppleBoy: Oh.
2008-03-17 13:16 < mexicanbanana> But why "politically"?
2008-03-17 13:16 < mexicanbanana> Seems redundant.
2008-03-17 13:16 < AppleBoy> hackmiester: I don't watch fox for anything except House, and even then that I'll, well, yeah
2008-03-17 13:17 < hackmiester> AppleBoy: heh
2008-03-17 13:18 < Leslie_S> how did they blacklist ron paul?
2008-03-17 13:20 < Cyrius> cut him out of debates and news coverage
2008-03-17 13:20 < gwern> hm. Deckiller has retired
2008-03-17 13:20 < Messedrocker> so ron paul is the new larry agran
2008-03-17 13:20 < Messedrocker> for the better i guess
2008-03-17 13:21 < Ceiling_Cat> why did deckiller retire?
2008-03-17 13:21 < kenlyric> they actually didn't put him on camera
2008-03-17 13:21 < SaxPlayer> ron paul /b/?
2008-03-17 13:22 < kenlyric> because he was uninteresting and not newsworthy.
2008-03-17 13:22 < kenlyric> It's actually the first thing Fox news has ever done that was like being a real news organization.
2008-03-17 13:23 < kenlyric> no, the guy with 1% of the vote doesn't get equal news time, ralph nader.
2008-03-17 13:25 < SaxPlayer> I have my signature song
2008-03-17 13:25 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-17 13:26 < SaxPlayer> Those Things by Miguel Migs
2008-03-17 13:27 < SaxPlayer> Happy st-patty's!
2008-03-17 13:27 < EmoBasset> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water#Types_of_water
2008-03-17 13:27 < EmoBasset> Brilliant section
2008-03-17 13:28 < wiseKnight> hello everybody ;)
2008-03-17 13:28 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: he didn't say
2008-03-17 13:28 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: maybe you could ask him
2008-03-17 13:29 < bumm13> it even has holy water!
2008-03-17 13:29 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-17 13:29 < Shiroi_Neko> I slap you with Lenna.png
2008-03-17 13:29 < bumm13> hi
2008-03-17 13:29 < Ceiling_Cat> huh?
2008-03-17 13:30 * Ceiling_Cat latches onto White_Cat
2008-03-17 13:30 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat you know Lenna.png?
2008-03-17 13:30 < Shiroi_Neko> Matlab?
2008-03-17 13:30 < Ceiling_Cat> isn't that the famous photo of that appeared in playboy
2008-03-17 13:30 < Shiroi_Neko> Playboy?
2008-03-17 13:30 < Ceiling_Cat> and was subsentially an image procesing image
2008-03-17 13:30 < Shiroi_Neko> yes
2008-03-17 13:30 < Shiroi_Neko> yes
2008-03-17 13:30 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Lenna]]
2008-03-17 13:30 < EmoBasset> Ron Paul is still running?
2008-03-17 13:30 < Shiroi_Neko> hai desu!
2008-03-17 13:30 < Shiroi_Neko> EmoBasset yes
2008-03-17 13:30 < NotACow> they invited her to a SIGGRAPH meeting once, iirc
2008-03-17 13:31 < NotACow> EmoBasset: ron paul never stops running
2008-03-17 13:31 < Shiroi_Neko> he is running on a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_wheel
2008-03-17 13:31 < EmoBasset> Till the moon went down/no he never stopped running/with that craaaaaaaazy sound
2008-03-17 13:31 < hyperactivecrond> can we lock WMMS 's page? there's supposed to be a big announcement tonight at 5:30
2008-03-17 13:31 < Ceiling_Cat> WMMS?
2008-03-17 13:32 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat do you know how to access Lenna.png on matlab?
2008-03-17 13:32 < hyperactivecrond> ceiling_cat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMMS
2008-03-17 13:32 < Ceiling_Cat> no, I hate matlab with a passion
2008-03-17 13:33 < Ceiling_Cat> it's evil in the way only people who believe in the physical reality of the devil can understand
2008-03-17 13:33 < gwern> lolz
2008-03-17 13:33 < Ceiling_Cat> (with apologies to Hunter S. Thompson)
2008-03-17 13:33 < hyperactivecrond> i anticipate a lot of unsolicited edits on WMMS because of this big announcement that's supposed to happen tonight. can we at least get it semi-protected?
2008-03-17 13:33 < AppleBoy> ALL HAIL RON HUBBARD
2008-03-17 13:34 * AppleBoy ducks
2008-03-17 13:34 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat oh really?
2008-03-17 13:34 < NotACow> wht the fuck is WMMS?
2008-03-17 13:34 < Shiroi_Neko> I like my mexican hat
2008-03-17 13:34 < NotACow> what, some dumbass radio station? fuck them.
2008-03-17 13:34 < bumm13> some FM radio station in Cleveland
2008-03-17 13:35 < bumm13> hyperactivecrond: I wouldn't worry too much about it
2008-03-17 13:35 < hyperactivecrond> bumm13, mmkay
2008-03-17 13:35 < gwern> hyperactivecrond: semoprotection in advance?
2008-03-17 13:35 < gwern> NotACow: radio station
2008-03-17 13:35 < The359> What, are they changing to country?
2008-03-17 13:35 < bumm13> if a need arises at that time, it will certainly be dealt with
2008-03-17 13:35 < NotACow> hyperactivecrond: that article gets perhaps 100 views a day. BFD.
2008-03-17 13:35 < hyperactivecrond> gwern, i think it has to do with Rover's Morning Glory, as people have been getting emails from the station saying "big announcement at 5:30 tonight.. be listnin'"
2008-03-17 13:35 < Ceiling_Cat> The359 - no, they are switching to Emo
2008-03-17 13:36 * The359 screams
2008-03-17 13:36 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat: [x y]=meshgrid(-10:1:10);r=sqrt(x.^2+y.^2)+eps;z=sin(r)./r;mesh(z);surf(z);
2008-03-17 13:36 < Scream> eh?
2008-03-17 13:36 < Ceiling_Cat> K-SUCID
2008-03-17 13:36 < NotACow> hyperactivecrond: nobody looks at that article anytway. you could put penises all over it and nobody would know.
2008-03-17 13:36 < hyperactivecrond> good idea
2008-03-17 13:36 < hyperactivecrond> *opens firefox*
2008-03-17 13:37 < hyperactivecrond> that and rover's morning glory will be hit up with rumors (again)
2008-03-17 13:37 < hyperactivecrond> s/hit up/flooded
2008-03-17 13:37 < gwern> ' John teh Baptist Sez "I Iz Not Jebus!! No Wai!!11!!!1!!1!! '
2008-03-17 13:37 < NotACow> hyperactivecrond: dude, my blog gets more pageviews than the article on WMMS
2008-03-17 13:38 < gwern> pwned
2008-03-17 13:39 < bumm13> ick, it's now owned by ClearChannel :p
2008-03-17 13:39 < hyperactivecrond> eh who gives a shit. just predicting the weather
2008-03-17 13:39 < NotACow> wikipedia should delete any article that doesn't get at least 100 page views per day averaged over three months.
2008-03-17 13:39 < bumm13> that can be affected by systemic bias :P
2008-03-17 13:39 < Ceiling_Cat> oh lord
2008-03-17 13:39 < hyperactivecrond> then delete / merge maxwell_show. it gets zero views and it belongs in wmms anyway . the fuckface of the host probably made that article
2008-03-17 13:39 < Ceiling_Cat> http://valleywag.com/368539/did-jimmy-wales-and-wikipedia-boss-make-out-in-amsterdam
2008-03-17 13:40 * Ceiling_Cat facepalms
2008-03-17 13:40 < bumm13> hahahaha
2008-03-17 13:40 < AppleBoy> lmao
2008-03-17 13:40 < AppleBoy> that's awesome
2008-03-17 13:40 < bumm13> what an embarrassing notion...
2008-03-17 13:41 < Ceiling_Cat> I think it's pretty unfair that those of us who have to deal with the press vis-a-vis wikipedia have to do damage control for Jimbo's libido
2008-03-17 13:41 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: sounds like it came from danny
2008-03-17 13:41 < AppleBoy> if that were true that would be pretty hilarious
2008-03-17 13:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Ah yes, what Mr. Wales provides. To Rachel Marsden, Elisabeth Bauer, and Barbara Cohen, among others, you mean?
2008-03-17 13:42 < Ceiling_Cat> who is Barbara Cohen?
2008-03-17 13:42 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: i was wondering the same thing.
2008-03-17 13:42 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: but i'm stopped being surprised by the stories of where jimmy's dick wanders, at this point
2008-03-17 13:42 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: i do better understand why there were rumors that david was jimmy's kid, though :)
2008-03-17 13:43 < gwern> I can't even list all his women
2008-03-17 13:43 < Messedrocker> NotACow, remember when people thought Ryulong was either Danny's son or Danny himself?
2008-03-17 13:43 < hyperactivecrond> any O&A fans in here? looks like they're getting a show
2008-03-17 13:43 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: he was conceived shortly after wikimania '06, and jimmy did go around fucking people there, apparently.
2008-03-17 13:43 < hyperactivecrond> on comedy central
2008-03-17 13:43 * Messedrocker personally cannot picture the idea of Danny being a father
2008-03-17 13:43 < gwern> did the protagonists in Ayn Rand's novels fuck around as much?
2008-03-17 13:43 < Ceiling_Cat> david who?
2008-03-17 13:44 < Messedrocker> gerard!
2008-03-17 13:44 < Messedrocker> muahahahaha
2008-03-17 13:44 < Scream> Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-17 13:44 < Scream> where are the pictures?
2008-03-17 13:44 < Ceiling_Cat> pictures?
2008-03-17 13:44 < Scream> as above :)
2008-03-17 13:45 < gwern> how could ryulong have been conveived after wm '06? isn't he way too old for that?
2008-03-17 13:45 < Demi> gwern - apparently yes (re: ayn rand novels)
2008-03-17 13:45 < Ceiling_Cat> I dunno - if there are any, valleywag will surely publish them
2008-03-17 13:45 < Scream> Your in charge of the PR, if that happens.
2008-03-17 13:45 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: david, my son. he's 10 months old now.
2008-03-17 13:47 < NotACow> gwern: well, fucking about nilly-willy is consistent with rand's philosophy
2008-03-17 13:47 < Ceiling_Cat> scream - http://valleywag.com/367014/pics-or-it-didnt-happen-jimbo
2008-03-17 13:47 < AppleBoy> oh god these jimmy wales things on valleywag are hilarious
2008-03-17 13:47 < gwern> NotACow: if the other person consents I suppose
2008-03-17 13:48 < hackmiester> ok I need some assistance here. I have this newbie who keeps using {{helpme}} for simple requests. What's a good way I could point him/her/it to another more appropriate method of requesting assistance for things like "How do I make articles better?"
2008-03-17 13:48 < bumm13> have them go to #wikipedia-help here on freenode :-)
2008-03-17 13:49 < Demi> i can't see a true newbie using a talk page template of any kind
2008-03-17 13:49 < bumm13> does seem odd, yeah
2008-03-17 13:49 < bumm13> hiya Demi
2008-03-17 13:49 < Viper550> I've noticed some of the subtle design differences the international Wikipedias use
2008-03-17 13:49 < NotACow> gwern: i'm not even sure that she cares that much about other people consenting
2008-03-17 13:49 < NotACow> gwern: objectivism is a terribly selfish philosophy.
2008-03-17 13:49 < Ceiling_Cat> hackmiester - point him to the tutorial
2008-03-17 13:50 < ChrisO> lo NotACow, long time no see :)
2008-03-17 13:50 < NotACow> gwern: i think as long as the other person consents, or is of insufficient significance that their objections will not bite you in the butt later, it's ok
2008-03-17 13:50 < NotACow> ChrisO: hey, how goes?
2008-03-17 13:50 < ChrisO> not bad at all, you?
2008-03-17 13:50 < Demi> yes, afaict the limits on behavior are purely consequential
2008-03-17 13:50 < Ceiling_Cat> Hi ChrisO
2008-03-17 13:50 < hackmiester> Ceiling_Cat: I was trying to do that and not sound like I'm blowing him off
2008-03-17 13:50 * Ceiling_Cat waves from above
2008-03-17 13:50 < Demi> it's "whatever you can get away with" or "are willing to accept the consequences for"
2008-03-17 13:51 < ChrisO> Ceiling Cat: oh hai!
2008-03-17 13:51 < Demi> and for a randian anarchist or libertarian there are also no imposed consequences
2008-03-17 13:51 < hackmiester> Pretty sure I've got it though, I think he's getting it
2008-03-17 13:51 < Messedrocker> laptops are inconvenient to use when lying down
2008-03-17 13:51 < bumm13> yeah
2008-03-17 13:51 < bumm13> I don't like using them anyway
2008-03-17 13:52 < ChrisO> messed, I've tried lying on my back and putting the laptop on my stomach
2008-03-17 13:52 < gwern> doesn't the welcome template say use {{helpme}}?
2008-03-17 13:52 < gwern> NotACow: what, selfish? WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME
2008-03-17 13:52 < ChrisO> sort of works, but you need to be able to touchtype for that
2008-03-17 13:52 * Ceiling_Cat watches ChrisO
2008-03-17 13:53 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - AHA
2008-03-17 13:53 * EmoBasset does not believe in ceiling cats
2008-03-17 13:53 < Ceiling_Cat> http://valleywag.com/363740/jimbos-bimbos-a-brainiac-pack
2008-03-17 13:53 < EmoBasset> brb
2008-03-17 13:54 < ChrisO> ceiling cat, shows good taste at least
2008-03-17 13:54 < ChrisO> though a wacko Canadian political hack isn't quite my thing
2008-03-17 13:55 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: you found cohen?
2008-03-17 13:55 < Ceiling_Cat> http://valleywag.com/363961/jimmy-waless-3-sins
2008-03-17 13:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Those asshats
2008-03-17 13:55 < bumm13> "I thought the girl on the left was the cross-country diaper wearing psycho astronaut chick." lol
2008-03-17 13:55 < Ceiling_Cat> they stole my picture
2008-03-17 13:55 < Ceiling_Cat> I took that ]
2008-03-17 13:55 < bumm13> grrr
2008-03-17 13:55 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: haha
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> They avhe some credit at the bottom: good taste at least
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> ∙φ∙ deelkar|away [n=deelkar@dslc-082-082-176-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> joined #wikipedia
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> <ChrisO> though a wacko Canadian political hack isn't quite my thing
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> <NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: you found cohen?
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> <Ceiling_Cat> http://valleywag.com/363961/jimmy-waless-3-sins
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> <Ceiling_Cat> Those asshats
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> <bumm13> "I thought the girl on the left was the cross-country diaper wearing
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> psycho astronaut chick." lol
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> <Ceiling_Cat> they stole my picture
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> <Ceiling_Cat> I took that ]
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> <bumm13> grrr
2008-03-17 13:56 < ChrisO> ?
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> <NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: haha
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> doh
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> let me try that again: they stole my picture, but have a credit that bottom http://valleywag.com/363961/jimmy-waless-3-sins
2008-03-17 13:56 < bumm13> it's a glitch in the matrix, clearly
2008-03-17 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> "Photo by Wikimedia Commons"
2008-03-17 13:56 * ChrisO slaps Ceiling_Cat around a bit with a large trout
2008-03-17 13:57 < Demi> send them a takedown notice!
2008-03-17 13:57 < AppleBoy> lmao
2008-03-17 13:57 < ChrisO> right... seriously now
2008-03-17 13:57 < Scream> Ceiling_Cat what we really want/need to know is....
2008-03-17 13:58 < Scream> what were the drinks!
2008-03-17 13:58 < ChrisO> i'm planning to add something to [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources]] and need some feedback
2008-03-17 13:58 * Scream sees a 50.
2008-03-17 13:58 < Scream> lol
2008-03-17 13:58 < Ceiling_Cat> scream - that was the open bar night paid for by
2008-03-17 13:58 < Ceiling_Cat> oh god, the sourcewatch guy
2008-03-17 13:58 * Ceiling_Cat tries to remember the name
2008-03-17 13:58 < ChrisO> okay, reliability of TV broadcasts
2008-03-17 13:58 < Ceiling_Cat> Sheldon rampton
2008-03-17 13:59 < ChrisO> sorry, verifiability I should have said
2008-03-17 13:59 < Ceiling_Cat> anyway, so Sheldon paid for open bar night, and after 2 hours, the open bar closed
2008-03-17 13:59 < Ceiling_Cat> btw, there's no 50 there
2008-03-17 13:59 < ChrisO> are TV broadcasts a reliable, verifiable source?
2008-03-17 13:59 < NotACow> ChrisO: relaible for what?
2008-03-17 13:59 < Ceiling_Cat> there's one 20, two 5s, and 5 1s
2008-03-17 13:59 < ChrisO> OK, example:
2008-03-17 13:59 < NotACow> ChrisO: tv reporters routinely report on complete bullshit.
2008-03-17 14:00 < Scream> Can I quote you on that?
2008-03-17 14:00 < Scream> j/kidding
2008-03-17 14:00 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: i remember that picture
2008-03-17 14:00 < ChrisO> if KSUX of Palookaville, ND says something, can that statement be cited as a reliable source?
2008-03-17 14:00 < Viper550> Newscasts are a reliable source unless it's Fox News.
2008-03-17 14:00 < ChrisO> my problem with that is twofold:
2008-03-17 14:00 < ChrisO> no transcript, no readily accessible recording
2008-03-17 14:01 < NotACow> ChrisO: if it's not on the internet, it doesn't exist.
2008-03-17 14:01 < Scream> no NotACow...
2008-03-17 14:01 < DBush> "The U.S. Federal Reserve takes unprecedented action to stem panic on Wall Street, including the provision of funding for JPMorgan Chase's buyout of collapsing rival Bear Stearns (headquarters pictured)."
2008-03-17 14:01 < ChrisO> iow, how do you verify that TV station X said something at a particular time?
2008-03-17 14:01 < DBush> Okay, you guys, time for a real measure of people's stock in Wikipedia. How much will the NASDAQ and DOW go down from the words "panic on Wall Street" on Wikipedia's main page?
2008-03-17 14:01 < Scream> If it is not on the ENglish Wikipedia, it does not exist.
2008-03-17 14:01 < Scream> get it right
2008-03-17 14:01 < NotACow> ChrisO: the station will have recordings.
2008-03-17 14:01 < NotACow> ChrisO: all US commercial radio and TV stations record EVERY SECOND of their on-air transmissions
2008-03-17 14:02 < ChrisO> no doubt
2008-03-17 14:02 < NotACow> ChrisO: mainly in the event of a dispute over advertising contracts, but for other reasons as well
2008-03-17 14:02 < ChrisO> but how does Joe Public get hold of them?
2008-03-17 14:02 < NotACow> ChrisO: ask nicely.
2008-03-17 14:02 < gwern> so, the linguists' project has ended. The results? '* 13 articles were completed or newly created by subscribers \ * 12 articles had references added \ * 33 links were added to existing articles \ * 28 articles were de-stubbed by virtue of being judged self-sufficient'
2008-03-17 14:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Scream - there are some things that don't exist in the english wikipedia, but for any non-fictional subjects, you have to be a realy expert to find one that doesn't exist
2008-03-17 14:03 < gwern> wow. that's *pathetic*
2008-03-17 14:03 < ChrisO> and if they say no?
2008-03-17 14:03 < ChrisO> or charge $1000 per recording or whatever?
2008-03-17 14:03 < Ceiling_Cat> the technical articles I've written lately are *extremely* narrow niche articles
2008-03-17 14:03 < gwern> if we collectively donated a couple hundred dollars to hire a grad student for a summer to work on articles, I wou;d've expected at least double those numbers
2008-03-17 14:03 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Raul654/bragsheet&diff=197569604&oldid=179510725 <-- these are the kinds of articles that get written these days
2008-03-17 14:04 < gwern> 13 new articles? 12 better referenced articles? a few links and destubs? that's like a busy week, not fircking 6 months
2008-03-17 14:04 < ChrisO> hmm
2008-03-17 14:04 < ChrisO> [[Fox tossing]] in my case :P
2008-03-17 14:04 * Ceiling_Cat snickers
2008-03-17 14:04 < ChrisO> careful, it could have been cat tossing
2008-03-17 14:04 < Ceiling_Cat> oh wow
2008-03-17 14:04 < Ceiling_Cat> I can envision a category
2008-03-17 14:04 < Ceiling_Cat> "Tossing things"
2008-03-17 14:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Foxes
2008-03-17 14:04 < Ceiling_Cat> cabres
2008-03-17 14:04 < Ceiling_Cat> salads
2008-03-17 14:05 < Messedrocker> heheh
2008-03-17 14:05 * Messedrocker almost used the phrase "salad tosser" on wikback
2008-03-17 14:05 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: actually, I do that with my ferrets and cats
2008-03-17 14:05 < gwern> it's a lot of fun
2008-03-17 14:05 < ChrisO> well, the article did give me the excuse to use the term "animal tossers"
2008-03-17 14:05 < gwern> the problem is the blanket you use, it's easy for a ferret to sink its claws in on impact and sort of 'stick'
2008-03-17 14:06 < Messedrocker> why is anilingus called "salad tossing" anyway
2008-03-17 14:06 < Messedrocker> there's nothing salad or tossy about it
2008-03-17 14:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - THE WORLD WILL NEVER KNOW
2008-03-17 14:06 < ChrisO> more to the point, does it really want to?
2008-03-17 14:06 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - and how would you know that?
2008-03-17 14:06 * Ceiling_Cat glares
2008-03-17 14:06 < Messedrocker> how would i know what
2008-03-17 14:06 < Ceiling_Cat> that <Messedrocker> there's nothing salad or tossy about it
2008-03-17 14:07 < Ceiling_Cat> [[category:Throwing things]]
2008-03-17 14:08 * Ceiling_Cat really, really wants to create that
2008-03-17 14:08 < ChrisO> [[Category:Tossing]]
2008-03-17 14:08 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: those articles you linked? they have a total of 1223 views this month.
2008-03-17 14:08 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - the ones I made?
2008-03-17 14:08 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: yes
2008-03-17 14:08 < Ceiling_Cat> NEAT
2008-03-17 14:09 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: that puts them somewhere in the VERY LONG tail
2008-03-17 14:09 < Ceiling_Cat> I don't think any of them have a signifcant number of inbound links
2008-03-17 14:09 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: my deleted user page gets more daily vies than all but two of them
2008-03-17 14:09 < Ceiling_Cat> they are very technical
2008-03-17 14:09 < NotACow> [[Domain name front running]] and [[Van dyke beard]]
2008-03-17 14:09 < NotACow> the frst has 468 views, the latter 347.
2008-03-17 14:09 < Ceiling_Cat> van dyke has 2 main namespace inbound links
2008-03-17 14:10 < Shiroi_Neko> van dyke?
2008-03-17 14:10 * Messedrocker wonders if there is a quantum time measurement
2008-03-17 14:10 < Shiroi_Neko> Messedrocker quantum time aka atomic clock?
2008-03-17 14:10 < Ceiling_Cat> domain name front running has more, but that's because it's included in the domadomain namin parking template
2008-03-17 14:10 < Ceiling_Cat> domain name parking*
2008-03-17 14:10 < Messedrocker> no, as in a time period that cannot be divided into smaller time periods
2008-03-17 14:11 < Lubaf> "Last week, we busted the myth that electroweak gauge symmetry is broken by the Higgs mechanism. We'll also examine the existence of God and whether true love exists."
2008-03-17 14:11 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - how many does parallel computing get?
2008-03-17 14:11 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: in the same timeframe, [[Wiki]] was viewed 1,928,306 times
2008-03-17 14:11 < Ceiling_Cat> I rewrote that basically from scratch at the end of last year
2008-03-17 14:11 < NotACow> parallel computing: 12,437 so far in march
2008-03-17 14:12 < ChrisO> Messed, [[Planck time]]
2008-03-17 14:12 < bumm13> parallel computing is exotic and unapproachable by the masses ;)
2008-03-17 14:12 < ChrisO> I've known women like that...
2008-03-17 14:12 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - untrue. Multicore computers are the new black
2008-03-17 14:12 < NotACow> that's not really paralle computing
2008-03-17 14:12 < Viper550> I've noticed some of the other Wikipedias do not follow the same guidelines, especially when it comes to images
2008-03-17 14:13 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - sure it is.
2008-03-17 14:13 < Ceiling_Cat> It's shared memory application-level parallelism, but it's still parallism
2008-03-17 14:13 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: meh, if they're not cooperatively used, it's just resource multiplicity.
2008-03-17 14:14 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: the problems there were mostly solved three decades ago
2008-03-17 14:14 < Ceiling_Cat> and wait until you have 32, 64, or 128 cores per processor
2008-03-17 14:14 < Ceiling_Cat> and the firefox, photoshop, and all the other CPU bound programs that everyone uses *have* to take advantage of multiple cores
2008-03-17 14:14 < Messedrocker> hell
2008-03-17 14:14 < Ceiling_Cat> (right now they can get away with just using one)
2008-03-17 14:14 < Messedrocker> i'd dedicate photoshop to two cores
2008-03-17 14:15 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: we tried to make gimp multiprocessor-aware. it proved to be too messy, and we backed off.
2008-03-17 14:15 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: it did not help that most of us did not have multiprocessing environments to work with
2008-03-17 14:15 < Demi> parallelism isn't hard, the programming tools traditionally used for it are bad
2008-03-17 14:16 < NotACow> writing solid code for multiprocessing environments requires a different paradigm
2008-03-17 14:16 < NotACow> especially if you want to be flexible about the nature of the environment
2008-03-17 14:16 < Demi> parallelism is natural, shared mutable state is unnatural
2008-03-17 14:16 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - Does GIMP have data parallelism (that is, big for loops)?
2008-03-17 14:16 < Ceiling_Cat> If so, OpenMP should have made parallelizing gimp extremely easy
2008-03-17 14:16 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: the tile iterator is ripe for parallelism
2008-03-17 14:16 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: but there were issues with pushing it out
2008-03-17 14:17 * Messedrocker wonders what happens if you set a television to a frequency typically used by FM radio
2008-03-17 14:17 < Ceiling_Cat> I'd be curious to read about the failed efforts
2008-03-17 14:17 < Ceiling_Cat> is there a summary somewhere?
2008-03-17 14:17 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: find the archives of the gimp-dev mailing list from the late 1990s
2008-03-17 14:17 < gwern> overhead is always an issue. I remember the implicit parallelism paper on GHC and Haskell - even with zero overhead and sparking off threads in an ideal way, you still only got like a 2x speedup
2008-03-17 14:17 < Ceiling_Cat> A mailing list is jus what I would have preferred to avoid ;)
2008-03-17 14:18 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: dude, i haven't worked on that project for ten years. i'm probably not even remembering the mailing list name correctly :)
2008-03-17 14:18 < Ceiling_Cat> I was thinking more along the lines of presentation slides or something
2008-03-17 14:18 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: hah, you are a funny boy.
2008-03-17 14:19 < Ceiling_Cat> we (my group) collect them
2008-03-17 14:19 < NotACow> been in academics too long, you have.
2008-03-17 14:19 < NotACow> real programmers don't make slides :)
2008-03-17 14:19 < Demi> gwern - for data parallelism, peyton-jones showed much better results at OSCON last year
2008-03-17 14:19 * bumm13 has been in his basement too long, he has
2008-03-17 14:19 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - Rusty Lusk, who created MPI, would disagree
2008-03-17 14:19 < Messedrocker> NotACow, but they make flowcharts
2008-03-17 14:19 < Ceiling_Cat> (I just added his slides earlier today)
2008-03-17 14:19 < Demi> for execution parallelism, shared memory is just a rat hole, that needs to be avoided
2008-03-17 14:20 < gwern> Demi: ah, that's true, but that's data parallelism. if I recall properly, that was on associative/commutative data. this was a general benchmark
2008-03-17 14:20 < Messedrocker> http://www.xmlgrrl.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/Barry-Obama-lg.jpg
2008-03-17 14:21 < Demi> yep
2008-03-17 14:21 < NotACow> Messedrocker: nobody makes flowcharts anymore :)
2008-03-17 14:22 < gwern> of course, it's fun to work out how to parallelize folds where you don't got all the algebraic properties of a map
2008-03-17 14:22 < Demi> transactional memory is the best kludge, but my experience with concurrency controls in databases tells me people will experience lots of subtle and novel problems with it, high overhead and other artifacts
2008-03-17 14:22 < gwern> Demi: do you think transactional memory in hardware may help?
2008-03-17 14:23 < Demi> i don't see why it would make a difference
2008-03-17 14:23 < EmoBasset> is it ethical to "have people's back" when they are wrong about a point in the argument, when they are right in the larger scheme and mustn't appear weak or inconsistent?
2008-03-17 14:24 < EmoBasset> (because the opponent would ride that one weak point to death?
2008-03-17 14:24 < gwern> EmoBasset: take a consequentialist view of matters. would not backing result in bad consequences?
2008-03-17 14:24 < NotACow> EmoBasset: no. it is not ethical to assist someone in using a bankrupt argument to win a dispute.
2008-03-17 14:25 < gwern> EmoBasset: unless you're doing philosophy, you don't necessarily have a duty to do the opponents job on your argument
2008-03-17 14:25 < EmoBasset> I mean a parental thing, where one parent agrees with something wrong the other parent says in order to keep up consistent authority
2008-03-17 14:26 < EmoBasset> and not give the kid a reason to blow that one point up to invalidate the whole argument
2008-03-17 14:26 < EmoBasset> well, brb
2008-03-17 14:26 < Lucifer_Cat> does it create COI when someone involved in a project edits that projects info on wiki?
2008-03-17 14:26 < NotACow> EmoBasset: raising children is not the same as having a dispute with other rational adults.
2008-03-17 14:27 < NotACow> Lucifer_Cat: no, but it does create japanese goldfish.
2008-03-17 14:27 < kenlyric> the other parent is not your opponent
2008-03-17 14:27 < EmoBasset> in this case it's the same thing
2008-03-17 14:27 < EmoBasset> haha
2008-03-17 14:27 < EmoBasset> I argued with my parents as an adult
2008-03-17 14:27 < kenlyric> the other parent is not your opponent
2008-03-17 14:27 < Lucifer_Cat> some non-troll has anything to say?
2008-03-17 14:27 < kenlyric> so you, you supress disagreements
2008-03-17 14:28 < Lucifer_Cat> no offence NotACow
2008-03-17 14:28 < EmoBasset> Brb
2008-03-17 14:29 < mexicanbanana> Regarding "Marvin the Paranoid Android"... how was he paranoid? He was just depressed. Is it just because "paranoid" rhymes with "android"?
2008-03-17 14:29 < Lucifer_Cat> prolly
2008-03-17 14:30 < Lucifer_Cat> i have to agree, he was just manic depressive. and that too cuz he knew the inherent futility of it all. ure not paranoid if someone out to get you.
2008-03-17 14:30 < Lucifer_Cat> actually... you can still be paranoid and actually do have someone out to get you. but in that case it become a moot point till someone is no longer out to get you.
2008-03-17 14:31 < kenlyric> the ship was paranoid
2008-03-17 14:32 < NotACow> actually
2008-03-17 14:32 < NotACow> just because somoene is out to get you doesn't mean you're not paranoid
2008-03-17 14:37 < sopoforic> Hey, we've got some kind of policy against sites scraping wikipedia, right?
2008-03-17 14:38 < Messedrocker> they are welcome to download our database dumps and use them to their liking
2008-03-17 14:38 < sopoforic> Right.
2008-03-17 14:38 < Lucifer_Cat> NotACow: yeah that was a better way to put my long winded sentence
2008-03-17 14:38 < Lucifer_Cat> Messedrocker: does it create COI when someone involved in a project edits that projects info on wiki?
2008-03-17 14:39 < Lucifer_Cat> WP rather
2008-03-17 14:39 < Messedrocker> It doesn't create "COI", whatever that is
2008-03-17 14:39 < Messedrocker> But
2008-03-17 14:39 < Messedrocker> That scenario would constitute a conflict of interest.
2008-03-17 14:39 < Lucifer_Cat> conflict of interest
2008-03-17 14:39 < sopoforic> But there's this site, http://www.lexisum.com/, which is just pulling the data off the live site.
2008-03-17 14:39 < Messedrocker> sopoforic, you have to pay to do that
2008-03-17 14:39 < Lucifer_Cat> i see my attempt to sound informed fell flat on its face :P
2008-03-17 14:39 < sopoforic> Thought so.
2008-03-17 14:39 * NotACow trolls Lucifer_Cat some more
2008-03-17 14:40 < sopoforic> Is there some page I should report people pulling the data live? I seem to remember one, but I can't find it.
2008-03-17 14:40 < NotACow> sopoforic: if they're actually scraping the site, refer them to the techies, and they'll deal with it
2008-03-17 14:40 < NotACow> you can always mail otrs
2008-03-17 14:40 < NotACow> the otrs slaves will get it to the attention of the right peeps
2008-03-17 14:40 < mexicanbanana> Isn't it allowed to request in realtime the Special:ExportArticle thing?
2008-03-17 14:41 < sopoforic> Yeah, I guess that'll work.
2008-03-17 14:41 < mexicanbanana> Pointless anyway. There are billions of clones of Wikipedia out there and you won't get any traffic. :(
2008-03-17 14:41 < mexicanbanana> I tried once, actually, so I know what I'm talking about.
2008-03-17 14:42 < Lucifer_Cat> do you have to pay if you create like a widget thingy to pull up WP pages?
2008-03-17 14:42 < ShakespeareFan00> NotACow: And who is actually in charge of the OTRS guidance materials these days?
2008-03-17 14:43 < ShakespeareFan00> How much editing do you have to do gain entry to OTRS 3?
2008-03-17 14:43 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-03-17 14:44 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: i have no idea.
2008-03-17 14:44 < Messedrocker> lol OTRS 3
2008-03-17 14:44 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: i was kicked off OTRS a year ago.
2008-03-17 14:44 < Messedrocker> NotACow, I remember that event
2008-03-17 14:44 < ShakespeareFan00> MessedRocker: Not my joke... blame RobChurch ;)
2008-03-17 14:44 < Lucifer_Cat> what happened
2008-03-17 14:44 < Messedrocker> Didn't you report it on your blurg?
2008-03-17 14:44 < Lucifer_Cat> and whats the OTRS 3 joke bout?
2008-03-17 14:44 < NotACow> yeah, i blogged abou tit
2008-03-17 14:45 < ShakespeareFan00> LuciferCat: To some people Wikipedia is like a 'cult'
2008-03-17 14:45 < Lucifer_Cat> all i see are otters
2008-03-17 14:45 < Lucifer_Cat> hmmm
2008-03-17 14:45 < ShakespeareFan00> OTRS relates to the Wikipedia OTRS ticket system,
2008-03-17 14:45 < ShakespeareFan00> It's a pun/spoof on the OT III controversy
2008-03-17 14:46 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-03-17 14:46 < Lucifer_Cat> ugh... i ALWAYS wanted to know how wikipedia manages to remain in shape and quality
2008-03-17 14:46 < Lucifer_Cat> now that i do just a LITTLE part of it, i wish i hadnt
2008-03-17 14:46 < ShakespeareFan00> Oh ?
2008-03-17 14:47 < Lucifer_Cat> i see so many acronyms thrown around and so many policies and what not discussed all the time...
2008-03-17 14:48 < NotACow> ah, it as in july
2008-03-17 14:48 < NotACow> http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/2007/07/transparency-and-dealing-with.html
2008-03-17 15:00 < Lucifer_Cat> lets make a wiki article bout your blog
2008-03-17 15:00 < MindstormsKid> that's not allowed
2008-03-17 15:01 < rebmevoN^> any one know who Jesper Knutsson is ?
2008-03-17 15:03 < karlp15498654965> 1 sec let me wiki him
2008-03-17 15:03 < karlp15498654965> :O
2008-03-17 15:03 < karlp15498654965> no idea :O
2008-03-17 15:06 < MindstormsKid> google him!
2008-03-17 15:07 < Filanca_> hia
2008-03-17 15:08 < Shiroi_Neko> konninchi wa Filanca-sama
2008-03-17 15:08 < Filanca_> sama???
2008-03-17 15:08 < Filanca_> i am not a sama
2008-03-17 15:08 < Filanca_> i'm a male wikipedian
2008-03-17 15:10 < Ningyou> lol
2008-03-17 15:10 < Ningyou> sama
2008-03-17 15:10 < mexicanbanana> Ever heard of smileys, shithead? Stop saying "lol".
2008-03-17 15:11 < Lucifer_Cat> be polite amigo
2008-03-17 15:11 < karlp15498654965> mexicanbanana, watch your fucking language, cunt
2008-03-17 15:11 < gwern> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Spice_and_Wolf&diff=prev&oldid=198924190 <-- did you hear? 'economic thriller' is now a genre
2008-03-17 15:11 < Lucifer_Cat> haha economic thriller
2008-03-17 15:12 < Shiroi_Neko> Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-17 15:12 < Shiroi_Neko> http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/GaleriDetay.aspx?cid=10627&p=1&rid=2
2008-03-17 15:14 < Filanca_> whats this? an alien popping out of a jet plane?
2008-03-17 15:16 < gwern> Filanca_: it was from a fuselage huggler
2008-03-17 15:16 < gwern> *hugger
2008-03-17 15:17 < Shiroi_Neko> Filanca_ it is air accidents of various sorts
2008-03-17 15:17 < Shiroi_Neko> some amusing others terrifying
2008-03-17 15:24 < Leslie_S> wtf is with people who bitch about lolling?
2008-03-17 15:24 < ShakespeareFan00> Leslie_S: This is #Wikipedia
2008-03-17 15:25 * gwern can feel them. gwern can feel the cosmos
2008-03-17 15:25 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat has returned
2008-03-17 15:26 < gwern> y'know, Gankutsuou is one of my favorite anime, and way better than the original Count of Monte Cristo, but the character Peppo bothers he. his cross-dressing and acting as a girl is so gratuitous! what was wrong with having peppo be a girl all along?
2008-03-17 15:27 < Shiroi_Neko> ShakespeareFan00 this is sparta
2008-03-17 15:27 < ShakespeareFan00> Huh??
2008-03-17 15:27 < gwern> Shiroi_Neko: you're lost. #sparta is over that way
2008-03-17 15:27 < Shiroi_Neko> It is SPARTAAAAA from now on.
2008-03-17 15:29 < Seddon69> and you have to do it in a scottish accen
2008-03-17 15:29 < Seddon69> accent*
2008-03-17 15:30 < gwern> mother is the first other
2008-03-17 15:39 < Demi> what's a good name for an associative array kind of thing, that isn't "dict", "hash" or "map" and doesn't imply a particular storage?
2008-03-17 15:39 < Demi> (like alist)
2008-03-17 15:40 < Lucifer_Cat> hah good luck with that.
2008-03-17 15:40 < Lucifer_Cat> lemme think tho
2008-03-17 15:40 < ShakespeareFan00> Demi: heap?
2008-03-17 15:40 < ShakespeareFan00> table
2008-03-17 15:40 < ShakespeareFan00> definition set?
2008-03-17 15:41 < Lucifer_Cat> table seems fine
2008-03-17 15:42 < Demi> table's not bad
2008-03-17 15:42 < Demi> that's what lua calls them, right?
2008-03-17 15:42 < gwern> Demi: 'map'
2008-03-17 15:42 < gwern> if you don't mind being kind of mathematical
2008-03-17 15:42 < gwern> since it maps from one key to another
2008-03-17 15:43 < Demi> well, i excluded 'map' from my question because it ends up being ambiguous since map is such a frequently used function over lists
2008-03-17 15:43 < Lucifer_Cat> match maker?
2008-03-17 15:43 * gwern doesn't see what's wrong with 'map' that Demi has to rule it out
2008-03-17 15:44 < Demi> for one thing, because the module would have a map function