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2008-03-17 06:24 * bumm13 NP: UFO - Rock Bottom (1974)
2008-03-17 06:24 < EmoBasset> but the other options were even more pitiful
2008-03-17 06:24 < NotASpy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eu5kgSeZHfw
2008-03-17 06:24 < EmoBasset> I think to win anything nowadays there, one'd have to relocate one's country to the Balkans or to Scandinavia
2008-03-17 06:24 < EmoBasset> or retroactively become a Soviet republic
2008-03-17 06:25 < NotASpy> oh, I wonder how the Kosovo situation will impact on Eurovision this year
2008-03-17 06:25 < NotASpy> and Russia cutting everybodies gas off might upset a few people too.
2008-03-17 06:25 < EmoBasset> *Wencke Myhre - Er hat ein knallrotes Gummibot (1970)
2008-03-17 06:25 < toresbe> Yeah, I think the new entry from Kosovo, "Kiss My Ass, Bitches" might not do well with voters
2008-03-17 06:26 < bumm13> eh, likely not :P
2008-03-17 06:26 < EmoBasset> "no douze points from us, shithead"
2008-03-17 06:26 < toresbe> :D
2008-03-17 06:26 < toresbe> the Serbian tune "Putin Is Our Best Friend" did well with Russian voters...
2008-03-17 06:26 < EmoBasset> I wonder if Montenegro qualifies though
2008-03-17 06:27 < EmoBasset> I think they only declared independence to further their neighbors' chances of winiing that thing for the next 35 years
2008-03-17 06:27 < toresbe> hehe
2008-03-17 06:31 < NotASpy> I suppose without Eurovision, we wouldn't have had ABBA...
2008-03-17 06:34 < EmoBasset> "the new reason to switch your radio station", as the Rolling Stone called them
2008-03-17 06:35 < NotASpy> lulz.
2008-03-17 06:36 < NotASpy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppaUGvrqEb4&feature=related - now this I do like. Brilliant video to go with a damn fine song.
2008-03-17 06:39 < bumm13> ABBA set the stage for modern dance pop :P
2008-03-17 06:40 < NotASpy> BABA :p
2008-03-17 06:41 < EmoBasset> there's no band out there with the catchiness of ABBA any more
2008-03-17 06:41 < EmoBasset> most of it has been replaced with cloudy soul chords
2008-03-17 06:42 < AdamBishop> I can't believe people take Eurovision seriously. Those songs are universally terrible
2008-03-17 06:43 < NotASpy> indeed. And without the house bands like Booker T and The MGs from Stax, this modern soul stuff is a bit naff, really.
2008-03-17 06:43 < EmoBasset> I blame the Temptations.
2008-03-17 06:43 < EmoBasset> and Marvin Gaye
2008-03-17 06:43 < NotASpy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYz8aQNoCso - hmm.
2008-03-17 06:43 < EmoBasset> although the first such sin I'm aware of is I Only Have Eyes For You
2008-03-17 06:44 < EmoBasset> it sometimes works in cool jazz, I don't like it in soul though
2008-03-17 06:45 < NotASpy> The trusty BBC Radio 4 Test Match Special theme. Marvellous.
2008-03-17 06:46 * EmoBasset is bowled out
2008-03-17 06:46 < EmoBasset> brb
2008-03-17 06:46 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-17 06:47 * AdamBishop is out leg before wicket
2008-03-17 06:48 * EmoBasset is back
2008-03-17 06:48 * EmoBasset makes the wicket sticky
2008-03-17 06:48 < AdamBishop> jesus, we have articles on Robot Chicken episodes
2008-03-17 06:49 < EmoBasset> Proverbs 2:22: But the wicket shall be destroyed from the earth...
2008-03-17 06:49 * brown_cat is flying off the the gold coast :)
2008-03-17 06:49 < brown_cat> cyaz xxx
2008-03-17 06:54 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-03-17 06:54 < Mark_Ryan> hi bumm13. how's it going?
2008-03-17 06:54 < bumm13> good :-)
2008-03-17 06:56 * bumm13 has finally discombobulated the tangled history that is of Cromemco
2008-03-17 06:56 < bumm13> (regarding its old product line of computers)
2008-03-17 06:59 < EmoBasset> Brb. Hungah
2008-03-17 07:00 < EmoBasset> back
2008-03-17 07:00 < EmoBasset> Chuck Norris can hang a name on Ruby Tuesday
2008-03-17 07:03 < AdamBishop> Chuck Norris knows the trouble I see. Chuck Norris knows my sorrow.
2008-03-17 07:04 < bumm13> lol
2008-03-17 07:06 < AdamBishop> http://www.cracked.com/article_15986_p2.html
2008-03-17 07:32 < EmoBasset> Chuck Norris will stop the rain.
2008-03-17 07:33 < Gambit> ;O
2008-03-17 07:48 < phenobitch> wikipedia
2008-03-17 07:48 < phenobitch> man do you suck!
2008-03-17 07:49 < phenobitch> whats the deal with some of the morons i see writing on the talk pages
2008-03-17 07:49 < phenobitch> what passes for contemporary historical truth these days?
2008-03-17 07:49 < phenobitch> the times archive?
2008-03-17 07:50 < phenobitch> youre incompetent to hell
2008-03-17 07:52 < Manticore> check +e
2008-03-17 07:54 * Mike_H samples cremepuff|away
2008-03-17 07:55 < cremepuff|away> :-D
2008-03-17 08:17 < EmoBasset> Full of sound and fury...
2008-03-17 09:12 * Lady_Aleena is getting fed up with other editors who will suggest more work, but aren't willing to do it themselves.
2008-03-17 09:14 < Lady_Aleena> I spend a week writing a rough draft to an article, and someone else comes along and says it needs a few more things and then not interested in doing the work. How in the world is that helping?
2008-03-17 09:16 * Lady_Aleena wants to scream.
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> struct ComputerContractor
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> {
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> double salary;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> long lunches;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> float jobs;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> char unstable;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> void work;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> int hiring_him_again;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> const pain_in_the_arse;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> unsigned agreement;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> short fuse;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> volatile personality;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> static progress;
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> };
2008-03-17 09:17 < AppleBoy> /* and there are no unions in sight */
2008-03-17 09:18 < NotACow> DEATH TO CONTRACTORS.
2008-03-17 09:18 < bumm13> zomg flood!
2008-03-17 09:18 < AppleBoy> :D
2008-03-17 09:18 * Lady_Aleena dislikes unions. They are death to business.
2008-03-17 09:18 < AppleBoy> I thought it was funny :/
2008-03-17 09:19 * Krimpet lol'd - though I've never seen a union in C code ever :p
2008-03-17 09:19 < Lady_Aleena> Unions are just organized blackmailers.
2008-03-17 09:21 < Dragonfly6-7> anyone seen Raul?
2008-03-17 09:21 < bumm13> nope
2008-03-17 09:21 < bumm13> he was here about 8 hrs. ago
2008-03-17 09:22 < Dragonfly6-7> bah
2008-03-17 09:23 < Lady_Aleena> AppleBoy: What programming language was that supposed to emulate?
2008-03-17 09:29 < zocky> Lady_Aleena, C
2008-03-17 09:30 < zocky> though you probably can't have a static variable in a struct, nor a constant
2008-03-17 09:31 < Lady_Aleena> Thanks zocky. A language I will probably never get the chance to learn. Perl is difficult enough with a severe lack of online reference materials.
2008-03-17 09:31 < Lady_Aleena> And hand-holding help.
2008-03-17 09:31 < zocky> Lady_Aleena, everything you need on perl in available online
2008-03-17 09:31 < zocky> Lady_Aleena, http://www.perl.org/docs.html has everything
2008-03-17 09:32 < Lady_Aleena> Um, no, I tried writing a program in Perl from just online materials, and those were not good enough.
2008-03-17 09:32 < zocky> dunno, I had no problems
2008-03-17 09:32 < zocky> I did know C before perl though
2008-03-17 09:32 < Dragonfly6-7> anyone here speak Tamil?
2008-03-17 09:32 * Messedrocker feels like le crap
2008-03-17 09:33 < Lady_Aleena> I only know HTML and CSS, and since those are markup languages, they don't help when it comes to learning a programming language.
2008-03-17 09:33 < Krimpet> C can be easy to learn, the K&R book is really well written
2008-03-17 09:33 < zocky> Krimpet, yeah, I learned C from that
2008-03-17 09:33 < Krimpet> ([[The C Programming Language]])
2008-03-17 09:34 < Lady_Aleena> Is the entire text online? Computer related books are so bloody expensive. The Camel book is around $90 which is too much.
2008-03-17 09:34 < Lady_Aleena> I don't even know if C would work on my website.
2008-03-17 09:34 < Messedrocker> er
2008-03-17 09:34 < Messedrocker> why would it?
2008-03-17 09:35 < Messedrocker> if you're going to do web programming learn something like Java
2008-03-17 09:35 < Lady_Aleena> That is the only thing that I would use it for.
2008-03-17 09:35 < Messedrocker> or PHP if you don't mind the élite laughing at you
2008-03-17 09:35 < Messedrocker> learn PHP and you could become a mediawiki developer :D
2008-03-17 09:35 < Krimpet> yeah, C isn't really worth it for websites
2008-03-17 09:35 < Lady_Aleena> Messedrocker, PHP won't work in my webspace.
2008-03-17 09:35 < Krimpet> 'tis a systems programming language
2008-03-17 09:35 < Lady_Aleena> I am stuck with javascript and Perl.
2008-03-17 09:36 < Messedrocker> go with perl then
2008-03-17 09:36 < Messedrocker> ain't nothin' wrong with perl
2008-03-17 09:36 < Dragonfly6-7> it causes stomach cancer
2008-03-17 09:36 < Messedrocker> Dragonfly6-7, you're thinking of the ColecoVision
2008-03-17 09:37 < Lady_Aleena> Messedrocker, I tried Perl, but the online material isn't that good. I have tried finding a Perl site like the W3C site with all the material I need, but so far with no success.
2008-03-17 09:37 < Krimpet> perl is really messy and weird, though you can usually wrangle with it to get the job done. :) I agree, the documentation is awful
2008-03-17 09:37 < zocky> perl is definitely a superior language to PHP
2008-03-17 09:37 < Lady_Aleena> There isn't a section on how to write a random generator on a web page.
2008-03-17 09:38 < zocky> Lady_Aleena, if you need that kind of stuff, PHP is probably easier
2008-03-17 09:38 < Lady_Aleena> zocky, I can't use PHP, ASP, or MySQL.
2008-03-17 09:38 < zocky> it's a dumb language, but it's well integrated into apache
2008-03-17 09:39 < Lady_Aleena> I would have to pay an extra $25 a month to get those.
2008-03-17 09:39 < zocky> Lady_Aleena, wow, you have some expensive hosting
2008-03-17 09:40 * zocky is glad to live in a country where ISPs have given up trying to block incoming HTTP requests
2008-03-17 09:40 < Lady_Aleena> I use the complimentary 10 Mb of web space provided by my ISP that goes with my dial-up account for which I only pay $189 a year.
2008-03-17 09:41 < Messedrocker> gb2 1997
2008-03-17 09:41 < Lady_Aleena> Why do you think that editing an article on Wikipedia is such a big deal for me? It is so bulky that it sometimes takes forever to load just one article.
2008-03-17 09:42 < bumm13> the ColecoVision causes stomach cancer?
2008-03-17 09:42 < Dragonfly6-7> Yes.
2008-03-17 09:42 < Lady_Aleena> I have to ask others to search for images on Commons, because it takes so long for me to do it.
2008-03-17 09:42 < Dragonfly6-7> Lady_Aleena - an unwieldy behemoth?
2008-03-17 09:42 < bumm13> interesting notion...
2008-03-17 09:43 < Messedrocker> bumm13, which is why you should buy a VIC-20 instead.
2008-03-17 09:43 < Lady_Aleena> Dragonfly, sometimes depending on how image heavy an article is.
2008-03-17 09:43 * Messedrocker discretely takes a slip of paper from the hands of commodore
2008-03-17 09:43 < bumm13> o.o
2008-03-17 09:43 < bumm13> the ColecoVision was a great console in its day
2008-03-17 09:44 < Dragonfly6-7> Lady_Aleena - ever try turning off image-loading ?
2008-03-17 09:44 < Lady_Aleena> I wish that high-speed internet connections weren't so expensive.
2008-03-17 09:44 < ShakespeareFan00> Messedrocker: As long as you are not editing related articles
2008-03-17 09:44 < ShakespeareFan00> Lady_Aleena: Where are you?
2008-03-17 09:44 < Lady_Aleena> Dragonfly, that would probably cause more problems.
2008-03-17 09:44 < ShakespeareFan00> Broadband can't be that expensive in the US?
2008-03-17 09:45 < Lady_Aleena> ShakespeareFan, I am in the boondocks.
2008-03-17 09:45 < Krimpet> ShakespeareFan00: it can be hard to get in a rural area
2008-03-17 09:45 < ShakespeareFan00> Ah...
2008-03-17 09:45 < ShakespeareFan00> And presumably Sat Net hasn't reached broadband speed yet
2008-03-17 09:45 < Messedrocker> Lady_Aleena, buy some broadband in the closest city, and then run a cable to your house
2008-03-17 09:45 < Krimpet> cable providers aren't always in rural areas, and DSL can only extend a certain distance from the phone office
2008-03-17 09:45 < Lady_Aleena> The only high-speed internet option I have is cable, and Comcast is not cheap.
2008-03-17 09:45 * Dragonfly6-7 remembers the Ansible connection from Vinge's "The Blabber"
2008-03-17 09:46 < ShakespeareFan00> And of course Comcast isn't netural on what it gives priority too
2008-03-17 09:46 < ShakespeareFan00> *to
2008-03-17 09:46 < Dragonfly6-7> connectivity to literally anywhere in the universe (well, within a 30-LY radius, but beyond that you get sentient network nodes)
2008-03-17 09:46 < Lady_Aleena> Oh, Comcast is here, but not cheap.
2008-03-17 09:46 < Dragonfly6-7> but it transmits at 6 bits / minute
2008-03-17 09:47 < Dragonfly6-7> that's BITS, not BYTES
2008-03-17 09:47 < Lady_Aleena> It is Verizon that is taking its bloody time to get DSL and FIOS out here.
2008-03-17 09:47 < Dragonfly6-7> oh, and it takes so much power that, while it's turned on , it dims your sun by half of one percent
2008-03-17 09:47 < NotACow> Dragonfly6-7: hm. argues for really effective compression :)
2008-03-17 09:47 < ShakespeareFan00> Anyone here with admin bits want to clear a backlog of CSD I8's?
2008-03-17 09:48 < Dragonfly6-7> fortunately, the sentient network nodes further along are able to pretty well extrapolate what your question is
2008-03-17 09:48 < Dragonfly6-7> and start sending you back an answer before you finish sending your question
2008-03-17 09:49 < Krimpet> Dragonfly6-7: IP over Avian Carriers is probably more efficient...
2008-03-17 09:49 < Dragonfly6-7> Krimpet - not if your correspondent is a databank on another planet
2008-03-17 09:49 < Lady_Aleena> I wish that I could get help to get this article that I wrote up to a good enough standard for article space so that I can start adding links to it from other articles. All I am getting is suggestions and discouragement.
2008-03-17 09:50 < Shiroi_Neko> Arria you around?
2008-03-17 09:50 < Dragonfly6-7> Lady_Aleena - what's the article ?
2008-03-17 09:50 < Lady_Aleena> I hate "Oh, you need X, but I won't get X for you."
2008-03-17 09:50 < Shiroi_Neko> SQLDb :P
2008-03-17 09:50 * Arria pets Shiroi_Neko
2008-03-17 09:51 < Lady_Aleena> Dragonfly, are you interested in television crossovers enough to edit an article on it?
2008-03-17 09:51 < Dragonfly6-7> Hm
2008-03-17 09:51 < Lady_Aleena> I have been told what I need to make it good, but no one seems willing to help me get it.
2008-03-17 09:52 < Lady_Aleena> With only a dial-up connection, and most web sites getting really bulky with the over use of images where text would do, searching for the information is torture.
2008-03-17 09:53 < EmoBasset> Back
2008-03-17 09:53 < Dragonfly6-7> Lady_Aleena - clearly, you should just move back into the city
2008-03-17 09:54 < EmoBasset> and sorry if I was too harsh the other day with your spin-off article
2008-03-17 09:54 < Mike_H> my back hurts
2008-03-17 09:54 < Lady_Aleena> Dragonfly, my fiance is not willing.
2008-03-17 09:55 < Lady_Aleena> I can't find a job, so I am dependent on him.
2008-03-17 09:55 < Dragonfly6-7> " 'Clearly', thought William. That's a wallpaper word. When someone says 'clearly', he means that it really isn't clear at all and there's a big gaping hole in the argument."
2008-03-17 09:56 < EmoBasset> yea, it's an appeal to authority
2008-03-17 09:56 < EmoBasset> to say "as is plain to see"
2008-03-17 09:56 < NotASpy> Lady_Aleena: you could always disable images in your web browser.
2008-03-17 09:56 < EmoBasset> in any case intellectually sloppy
2008-03-17 09:56 < Dragonfly6-7> Lady_Aleena - the problem is, although your work is certainly well-researched...
2008-03-17 09:56 < Dragonfly6-7> it feels a little like OR
2008-03-17 09:57 < Lady_Aleena> NotASpy, Sometimes articles are formatted around the images, so turning them off would seriously make a mess.
2008-03-17 09:57 < Dragonfly6-7> Lady_Aleena - it feels like a retread of the [[Tommy Westphall]] theory
2008-03-17 09:57 < Mike_H> clearly my back hurts
2008-03-17 09:58 < EmoBasset> Well more like
2008-03-17 09:58 < NotASpy> Mike_H: stop dancing to videos like Fame by Irene Cara. That should cure it.
2008-03-17 09:58 < EmoBasset> "it's obvious most back aches stem from too much time spend in the bathtub"
2008-03-17 09:59 < Lady_Aleena> Dragonfly, that article does not cover all of the connections. This one will.
2008-03-17 09:59 < EmoBasset> the famous "proof by bold assertion"
2008-03-17 09:59 < NotASpy> Orthapedic bathtubs. That's where the future lies.
2008-03-17 09:59 < Dragonfly6-7> Lady_Aleena - the problem is, though... these connections are just.... jokes, really.
2008-03-17 09:59 < Dragonfly6-7> Um
2008-03-17 09:59 < Dragonfly6-7> how to phrase this properly
2008-03-17 09:59 < NotASpy> perhaps with a built in Wikipedia db dump. Then it could be an encylorthapeic bathtub.
2008-03-17 10:00 < Dragonfly6-7> asserting any meaning or relevance to these crossovers...
2008-03-17 10:00 < Dragonfly6-7> um
2008-03-17 10:00 < EmoBasset> don't drop the soap.
2008-03-17 10:00 < Shiroi_Neko> NotASpy
2008-03-17 10:00 < Shiroi_Neko> you log the channel
2008-03-17 10:01 < Shiroi_Neko> can you give me the url I posted here a day or two ago?
2008-03-17 10:01 < ShakespeareFan00> Logging is fine, publication is the issue
2008-03-17 10:01 < NotASpy> Shiroi_Neko: I've not logged for ages.
2008-03-17 10:01 < Shiroi_Neko> NotASpy okay
2008-03-17 10:01 < Shiroi_Neko> anyone you know that logs?
2008-03-17 10:01 < EmoBasset> don't log me, bro.
2008-03-17 10:02 < NotASpy> Shiroi_Neko: dunno. Try some of the other chanops.
2008-03-17 10:02 < Dragonfly6-7> It really feels like something that would get deleted as OR
2008-03-17 10:02 < Shiroi_Neko> NotASpy I am prohibited from asking for logs like that
2008-03-17 10:02 < Shiroi_Neko> I was banned before for doing so
2008-03-17 10:02 < EmoBasset> why do you need one?
2008-03-17 10:03 < Lady_Aleena> Dragonfly, that is why I am looking for help writing it so that it won't get deleted. I am not going to give this up, since I have spent a week on it so far.
2008-03-17 10:03 < EmoBasset> no reply-hy
2008-03-17 10:03 < Dragonfly6-7> Lady_Aleena - you could make it into a list of crossovers between television shows, and let readers draw their own conclusions about transitivity and commutativity
2008-03-17 10:04 < EmoBasset> yea, I said so yesterday, it could be a pretty good list
2008-03-17 10:04 < Lady_Aleena> Dragonfly, the list would be deleted faster than the article.
2008-03-17 10:04 < Dragonfly6-7> and don't forget to mention the Tommy Westphall Universe hypothesis
2008-03-17 10:05 < EmoBasset> it would be a far better list than article.
2008-03-17 10:05 < EmoBasset> even with the prose
2008-03-17 10:05 < Lady_Aleena> And it would open the door for people calling for it to just be included on the Fictional crossover list. The whole point is that this is to cover only 1 shared reality and to tell the story of it.
2008-03-17 10:05 < Dragonfly6-7> Lady_Aleena - and *my* point is that the idea that "this is only 1 shared reality" is OR
2008-03-17 10:06 < Dragonfly6-7> we have an article about the [[Wold-Newton Universe]] because [[Philip Jose Farmer]] wrote books about it
2008-03-17 10:06 < gwern> so I put my dog to sleep about 20 minutes ago. I feel terrible
2008-03-17 10:06 < Dragonfly6-7> gwern - I'm so sorr
2008-03-17 10:06 < Dragonfly6-7> sorry
2008-03-17 10:06 < Dragonfly6-7> how old was he/seh?
2008-03-17 10:06 < Lady_Aleena> I know, I had an interest in that a few years ago.
2008-03-17 10:07 < gwern> 16 years old
2008-03-17 10:07 < Dragonfly6-7> gwern - doggy's name?
2008-03-17 10:07 < gwern> we trained him for a year, he was in israel for 2 years as a seeing eye dog, and then they gave him to us
2008-03-17 10:07 < gwern> for a lab, I understand 16 years
2008-03-17 10:07 < Lady_Aleena> gwern, sorry.
2008-03-17 10:07 < gwern> Dragonfly6-7: Clyde'
2008-03-17 10:07 < gwern> *Clyde
2008-03-17 10:07 < Dragonfly6-7> Clyde led a long and happy life?
2008-03-17 10:08 < gwern> my family had dogs and obviously put to sleep dogs before, but this was the first time I had to do it and witness it
2008-03-17 10:08 < NotACow> merp
2008-03-17 10:08 < gwern> Dragonfly6-7: yes; he was dumb and portly, but I think he was happy
2008-03-17 10:09 < Dragonfly6-7> awwww
2008-03-17 10:09 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-17 10:09 < Dragonfly6-7> was he in pain?
2008-03-17 10:10 < gwern> Dragonfly6-7: I don't think so, but these past few days were sudden - all of a sudden he couldn't stand up anymore, and he kept having green foam around his eyes
2008-03-17 10:10 < gwern> and he was doing fine before that - a little trouble with the rear and walking, but we figured he'd make another several months at least
2008-03-17 10:11 * gwern is a little sorry for telling y'all, since the deed is done and I never mentioned Clyde before, but this makes me feel a little better
2008-03-17 10:11 < Dragonfly6-7> gwern - it's all right
2008-03-17 10:11 < Dragonfly6-7> gwern - I hate to say this, it's in abysmal taste, but.... GREEN foam?
2008-03-17 10:11 < Dragonfly6-7> on Saint Patrick's Day?
2008-03-17 10:12 < Messedrocker> Dragonfly6-7, Chicago dyes their river green ever St Patrick's Day
2008-03-17 10:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - I'm sorry. I hope you feel better
2008-03-17 10:13 < gwern> Dragonfly6-7: yes; it was very disconcerting in color. foam I can handle, but I expect it to be a normal color
2008-03-17 10:13 < gwern> Dragonfly6-7: well, actually the green foam first showed up 2 days ago, so it isn't that apropos
2008-03-17 10:13 < Dragonfly6-7> perhaps he had some sort of leprechaun-based ailment
2008-03-17 10:13 < Dragonfly6-7> gwern - this year, St Patrick's Day was officially on March 15
2008-03-17 10:13 < Dragonfly6-7> two days ago
2008-03-17 10:13 < gwern> ate too many Lucky Charms
2008-03-17 10:14 < gwern> Dragonfly6-7: it was? ...ok
2008-03-17 10:14 < Messedrocker> Dragonfly6-7, yeah, but the Catholic Church really only has the authority to move his feast day
2008-03-17 10:14 < Dragonfly6-7> yeah
2008-03-17 10:14 < Messedrocker> People can still celebrate the secular bit as they please
2008-03-17 10:14 < Messedrocker> even if it is Holy Week
2008-03-17 10:14 < gwern> that'll make a horrible anecdote someday. 'did you know that we had to kill my first dog because his eyes starting making green foam on St. patrick's day? 'strue!'
2008-03-17 10:15 < Pilotguy> Who's getting wasted tonight
2008-03-17 10:16 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, that's right, it's saint patricks day
2008-03-17 10:17 < Dragonfly6-7> Observed.
2008-03-17 10:17 < Ceiling_Cat> the day everyone gets to be a bit irish, except the gays and the italians
2008-03-17 10:17 < Dragonfly6-7> er, Traditional.
2008-03-17 10:17 * Messedrocker is sick on st patrick's day :|
2008-03-17 10:17 < Ceiling_Cat> MESSEDRAWKER!!!!
2008-03-17 10:18 < Pilotguy> Heh
2008-03-17 10:18 < Pilotguy> We have an Irish laddy in our fraternity
2008-03-17 10:18 < PilotO> aww
2008-03-17 10:19 < NotACow> Pilotguy: how drunk is he?
2008-03-17 10:19 * NotACow had irish whiskey in her coffee last night
2008-03-17 10:19 < Pilotguy> Oh I'm sure he celebrated on Saturday night
2008-03-17 10:19 * bumm13 puts on his green derby
2008-03-17 10:19 * The359 punches Messedrocker for not wearing green
2008-03-17 10:20 * Ceiling_Cat puts on orange
2008-03-17 10:20 * Ceiling_Cat runs
2008-03-17 10:20 < Messedrocker> The359, I am wearing green
2008-03-17 10:21 < bumm13> I don't have any Irish ancestry to speak of
2008-03-17 10:21 * NotACow is not wearing green today
2008-03-17 10:21 < Messedrocker> i have somewhat less than half irish ancestry
2008-03-17 10:21 < NotACow> but then again, st. patrick's day was officially saturday anyway
2008-03-17 10:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - we forgive you
2008-03-17 10:21 < NotACow> it was moved this year ot March 15th in accordance with canon law.
2008-03-17 10:22 < bumm13> many of my cousins on my mom's side do have partial Irish ancestry
2008-03-17 10:22 * NotACow has no irish ancestry
2008-03-17 10:22 < NotACow> i have a smidgen of scottish, but i'm mostly german on my father's side and a mix of russian and hungarian on my mother's
2008-03-17 10:23 < Messedrocker> Ceiling_Cat, how much Irish ancestry do YOU have?
2008-03-17 10:24 < gwern> I'm of a little English ancestry, so presumably I have a smidgen of 'raped-and-enslaved' Irish blood in me
2008-03-17 10:25 < NotACow> gwern: well, i do have a sixteenth of english from my father's side
2008-03-17 10:25 < NotACow> gwern: so perhaps there's a tiny bit of that floating about
2008-03-17 10:25 < Messedrocker> gwern, I am part-English too, so it is in my nature to subjugate Irishmen
2008-03-17 10:26 < Pilotguy> Messedrocker- Your nick is hilighted green on my client
2008-03-17 10:26 < Pilotguy> As is NotACow's
2008-03-17 10:26 < NotACow> GREEN!
2008-03-17 10:26 < NotACow> GREEEEEEEEEEEN!
2008-03-17 10:26 * NotACow runs around in circles
2008-03-17 10:26 < Pilotguy> Yeah your nick is as green as they come
2008-03-17 10:26 < Pilotguy> Greener than Messedrocker's actually
2008-03-17 10:26 < NotACow> THE GREEN COW
2008-03-17 10:26 < Pilotguy> :P
2008-03-17 10:27 < NotACow> organic milk
2008-03-17 10:27 < gwern> Messedrocker: and to appropriate their culture? how appropriate for such a day
2008-03-17 10:29 < NotACow> GREEN MILK AND HAM
2008-03-17 10:29 < NotACow> does green ham come from green pigs?
2008-03-17 10:30 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-03-17 10:30 < gwern> and by analogy, we know there are green chickens
2008-03-17 10:31 < NotACow> well, there are green pigs
2008-03-17 10:31 < NotACow> actually glow in the dark green pigs
2008-03-17 10:31 < ShakespeareFan00> gwern: I thought chickens were Yellow? ;)
2008-03-17 10:31 < NotACow> they spliced a jellyfish gene into pigs to make them glow green
2008-03-17 10:31 < fruitbag> NotACow: what a useless exercise
2008-03-17 10:31 < fruitbag> What's the point?
2008-03-17 10:32 < NotACow> fruitbag: wouldn't you want a glow in the dark pig?
2008-03-17 10:32 < fruitbag> ...honestly, man. I sometimes wonder if research money is being wasted.
2008-03-17 10:32 < fruitbag> NotACow: why would I?
2008-03-17 10:32 < NotACow> fruitbag: think of the spiffy factor!
2008-03-17 10:32 < fruitbag> Researches should look into important things like greener energy and cures for cancer
2008-03-17 10:33 < fruitbag> Not useless stuff
2008-03-17 10:33 < The359> I'm sure they have reasons beyond "oooh, look, green pigs!"
2008-03-17 10:34 < NotACow> it was an experiment to test gene splicing, mainly
2008-03-17 10:34 < NotACow> gene splicing is hard, you know
2008-03-17 10:34 * NotACow wants a cure for neurofibromatosis, personally
2008-03-17 10:35 < gwern> ShakespeareFan00: come now. where do you suppose white or green eggs come from?
2008-03-17 10:35 < Messedrocker> GREEN EGGS AND SPAM
2008-03-17 10:35 < Messedrocker> spam spam spam spam lovely spam oh wonderful spam!
2008-03-17 10:36 < Pilotguy> Ooh fruitbag's nick highlight color is also green
2008-03-17 10:36 < Pilotguy> My my
2008-03-17 10:36 < ShakespeareFan00> gwern: Well I didn't expect an Inquistion! ;)
2008-03-17 10:37 < gwern> ShakespeareFan00: No one expects the Gwernquisition!
2008-03-17 10:37 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-03-17 10:39 * gwern points out that everyone expects the spanish inquisition these days
2008-03-17 10:40 < Messedrocker> i really need a recycling bin for my room
2008-03-17 10:40 * NotACow recycles Messedrocker's room
2008-03-17 10:40 < Messedrocker> i refuse to put my recyclables in my trash bin so shiny red coke cans form little ghettos on my desk
2008-03-17 10:40 < NotACow> Messedrocker: stop drinking coke
2008-03-17 10:40 < NotACow> Messedrocker: it'll stunt your growth
2008-03-17 10:40 < gwern> oh wow. this less edit clutter of Magnus Manske <http://www.nabble.com/Newbie-friendliness%2C-markup-hell%2C-and-editing-structure-to15969885.html> is so awesome!
2008-03-17 10:40 < NotACow> Messedrocker: and lord knows you can't afford that
2008-03-17 10:41 < Messedrocker> NotACow, not just coke, but water bottles too
2008-03-17 10:41 < NotACow> Messedrocker: uh, water should be consumed from GLASSES
2008-03-17 10:41 < gwern> NotACow: you think little of Messedrocker then?
2008-03-17 10:41 < NotACow> gwern: no, i think Messedrocker is little :)
2008-03-17 10:41 * Messedrocker is 5'9.5"
2008-03-17 10:41 < gwern> Messedrocker: drinking too much coke is very,,, short-sighted
2008-03-17 10:41 < Ceiling_Cat> well, while we're recycling
2008-03-17 10:41 < Messedrocker> i don't drink too much
2008-03-17 10:41 * Ceiling_Cat recycles Messedrocker's tasty organs
2008-03-17 10:41 < Messedrocker> i drink it in moderation. i just never clean out the room
2008-03-17 10:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Ola Brunkert of abba was found dead today
2008-03-17 10:42 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: damn. no more abba reunion tour rumors.
2008-03-17 10:43 < Ceiling_Cat> he as a drummer, though, so it's not a huge loss
2008-03-17 10:43 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: heh
2008-03-17 10:43 < Messedrocker> NotACow, dead members didn't stop pink floyd or led zeppelin reunions
2008-03-17 10:43 < NotACow> you can replace THOSE with robots these days
2008-03-17 10:43 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - one of the BEST vandalisms I ever saw on wikipedia
2008-03-17 10:43 < NotACow> Messedrocker: don't remind me
2008-03-17 10:43 < Ceiling_Cat> someone vandalized [[Drummer]] to say:
2008-03-17 10:43 < Ceiling_Cat> "Some guy who hangs out with musicians"
2008-03-17 10:43 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: heh
2008-03-17 10:44 < gwern> seriously, if you don't believe me about manske's JS script, load up some really complex page. it's teh win!
2008-03-17 10:45 < bumm13> MessedRocker: Syd Barrett had long been gone from Pink Floyd by the time Live 8 occurred
2008-03-17 10:45 < Messedrocker> ah right
2008-03-17 10:45 < NotACow> were any chickens injured?
2008-03-17 10:45 < Messedrocker> and he only died recently
2008-03-17 10:45 < Messedrocker> correction: dead band members AND ESTRANGED band members
2008-03-17 10:45 < bumm13> :)
2008-03-17 10:46 < bumm13> Led Zeppelin has only "reunited" twice since they broke up in 1980
2008-03-17 10:46 < Messedrocker> did they break up exclusively because of the death or because their last album was too mopey?
2008-03-17 10:46 < bumm13> once for Live Aid in 1985, and late last year for some particular one-off event
2008-03-17 10:47 < bumm13> MessedRocker: it was completely due to Bonham's death
2008-03-17 10:47 < bumm13> they were on tour when he died (and thus broke up right then)
2008-03-17 10:47 < NotACow> obviously we need to develop immortality serum and give it especially to musicians
2008-03-17 10:47 < Ceiling_Cat> bumm13 - http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetreviews/multimedia/2007/12/YE_Vaporware?slide=10&slideView=2
2008-03-17 10:47 < Messedrocker> NotACow, only SOME musicians
2008-03-17 10:48 < Ceiling_Cat> A commenter on our 2000 Vaporware awards joked that Van Halen would reunite with David Lee Roth and release a new album before Duke Nukem Forever hits the shelves. Ironically, the re-formed band plans to head into the studio in just a few months. Reader Tiberian Fiend, who pointed this out to us, says, "Old jokes become sad reality as development on Duke Nukem Forever trudges on...."
2008-03-17 10:48 < Messedrocker> my chemical romance needs MORTALITY serum >:D
2008-03-17 10:48 < NotACow> Messedrocker: true. under no circumstances are we to give that shit to justin timberlake.
2008-03-17 10:48 < fruitbag> Duke Nukem Forever?
2008-03-17 10:48 < fruitbag> ...no wonder why it is taking forever.
2008-03-17 10:48 < gwern> Messedrocker: I think they are already mortal
2008-03-17 10:48 < Messedrocker> it's taking forever because they keep starting over
2008-03-17 10:49 < Messedrocker> gwern, i was talking about a serum that would speed up the process
2008-03-17 10:49 < bumm13> it sounds like Eddie Van Halen's health ain't so hot
2008-03-17 10:49 < NotACow> HEMLOCK
2008-03-17 10:49 < Messedrocker> Kill Auntie Myrtle!
2008-03-17 10:49 < Messedrocker> ^ best anagram ever
2008-03-17 10:49 < gwern> Messedrocker: you could inject just about anything to do *that*...
2008-03-17 10:49 < bumm13> (good gawd, he looks horrible)
2008-03-17 10:49 < Messedrocker> gwern, the prison system uses potassium cyanide
2008-03-17 10:49 < NotACow> Messedrocker: that's Killy Nanny Myrtle.
2008-03-17 10:50 < NotACow> er, Kill Nanny Myrtle
2008-03-17 10:50 < Messedrocker> ok
2008-03-17 10:50 < NotACow> Messedrocker: who's auntie myrtle?
2008-03-17 10:50 < Messedrocker> well apparently your parent's sister is the java port of mediawiki
2008-03-17 10:50 < gwern> Messedrocker: that's because they're wusses. they could just use some air
2008-03-17 10:50 < NotACow> Messedrocker: that's not coincidental
2008-03-17 10:50 < Messedrocker> gwern, air in their veins?
2008-03-17 10:51 < NotACow> Messedrocker: "Kill Nanny Myrtle" is an anagram of my full legal name
2008-03-17 10:51 < Messedrocker> i know NotACow
2008-03-17 10:51 < Messedrocker> you told me once before
2008-03-17 10:51 < NotACow> Messedrocker: so who is Auntie Myrtle?
2008-03-17 10:51 < Messedrocker> i don't know
2008-03-17 10:51 < Messedrocker> i thought that's what the anagram was
2008-03-17 10:51 < NotACow> Messedrocker: nope :)
2008-03-17 10:53 < gwern> Messedrocker: sure. you don't think that'd kill someone?
2008-03-17 10:53 < Messedrocker> it would indeed
2008-03-17 10:53 < fruitbag> wow
2008-03-17 10:53 < fruitbag> Someone from the Johovas' Witnesses knocked at my door
2008-03-17 10:53 < fruitbag> God
2008-03-17 10:54 < NotACow> fruitbag: did you grab them, pull them inside, slit them from stem to stern, and rip out their liver?
2008-03-17 10:54 < The359> throw some green beer at them
2008-03-17 10:54 < fruitbag> Becase that's not nice.
2008-03-17 10:54 < ShakespeareFan00> frutibag: Ask them in :)
2008-03-17 10:54 < NotACow> offer them beer
2008-03-17 10:54 < NotACow> they like beer
2008-03-17 10:54 < fruitbag> They're deeply annoying.
2008-03-17 10:54 < ShakespeareFan00> And start asking them about Xenu ;)
2008-03-17 10:55 < NotACow> ShakespeareFan00: wrong cult
2008-03-17 10:55 < ShakespeareFan00> NotACow: JW are a sect not a cult ;)
2008-03-17 10:55 < ShakespeareFan00> And I was making a joke ;)
2008-03-17 10:55 < fruitbag> How many times has the JW knocked at your doors>
2008-03-17 10:55 < Messedrocker> offer them beer and sleeping pills
2008-03-17 10:55 < ShakespeareFan00> frutibag: Once or twice
2008-03-17 10:55 < ShakespeareFan00> ;)
2008-03-17 10:56 < Messedrocker> hello doctor glasgow
2008-03-17 10:56 < gwern> doctor Zaius, what's wrong with me?
2008-03-17 10:57 < Messedrocker> you're oh so crazy
2008-03-17 10:57 < gwern> I want a second opinion!
2008-03-17 10:57 < Messedrocker> you're also lazy
2008-03-17 10:58 < fruitbag> How do churches make money?
2008-03-17 10:58 < gwern> (oooh dr. zaius!)
2008-03-17 10:58 < The359> Donations
2008-03-17 10:58 < gwern> fruitbag: people give it to them
2008-03-17 10:59 < bumm13> by mesmerizing people, who become church members
2008-03-17 10:59 < bumm13> (and unload money from their wallets into pouches that are passed around during services :P )
2008-03-17 10:59 < The359> and some of those people are really rich
2008-03-17 10:59 < The359> and donate a shitload
2008-03-17 10:59 < The359> And build them ungodly huge churches
2008-03-17 11:01 < gwern> The359: how could a church be ungodly? :)
2008-03-17 11:01 < The359> by looking ugly
2008-03-17 11:01 < The359> Crosses are not pretty
2008-03-17 11:01 < Messedrocker> they're not
2008-03-17 11:01 < Messedrocker> they're implements of painful execution
2008-03-17 11:02 < gwern> The359: hey, y'all could've use fishes! but no, you wanted a torture device for your symbol...
2008-03-17 11:08 < fruitbag> gwern: it's really amazing how much money goes down the drain.
2008-03-17 11:08 < gwern> fruitbag: they have to pay for their priests' sexual needs someho
2008-03-17 11:08 < gwern> dealing with pimps is positively cheap compared to lawsuits
2008-03-17 11:09 < The359> I can't find it under MoS
2008-03-17 11:09 < The359> Is the proper way of abbreviating "Junior" as "Jr" or "Jr."
2008-03-17 11:10 < NotACow> The359: "Jr" in British style, "Jr." in American.
2008-03-17 11:10 < The359> hmmm, ok
2008-03-17 11:10 < NotACow> The359: as far as i know you should treat this as a spelling variance and use the appropriate style for the article
2008-03-17 11:11 < The359> ok
2008-03-17 11:11 < NotACow> The359: brits do not put points after abbreviated name prefixes or suffixes
2008-03-17 11:12 < NotACow> i think because they have so many name affixes that they would run out of periods.
2008-03-17 11:12 < The359> run out?
2008-03-17 11:13 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-03-17 11:13 < Messedrocker> run out
2008-03-17 11:13 < The359> the Brits have to be difficult about everything, don't they?
2008-03-17 11:13 < The359> "Oh no, punctuation crisis!"
2008-03-17 11:13 < The359> Let's tax periods!
2008-03-17 11:14 < Messedrocker> To hell with that!
2008-03-17 11:14 < Messedrocker> I'm rebelling!
2008-03-17 11:14 < LuNaTiCo000> hello
2008-03-17 11:14 < The359> Anarchy in the UK!
2008-03-17 11:14 < Messedrocker> hi LuNaTiCo000
2008-03-17 11:14 < gwern> 'Over the centuries, Masakado became something of a demigod to the locals who were impressed by his stand against the central government, while at the same time felt the need to appease his malevolent spirit. The fortunes of the Edo and Tokyo seemed to wax and wane correspondingly with the respect paid to the shrine built to him at the kubizuka - neglect would be followed by natural disasters and other misfortunes. Hence, to this day, ...
2008-03-17 11:14 < gwern> ... the shrine is well maintained occupying some of the most expensive land in the world in Tokyo’s financial district facing the Imperial Palace.'
2008-03-17 11:15 < gwern> it boggles the mind to imagine how many thousands of dollars each square foot of that shrine represents
2008-03-17 11:15 < gwern> The359: what about the bloody hell in america?
2008-03-17 11:15 < The359> what?
2008-03-17 11:16 < gwern> that's how The Invisibles goes, Anarchy in the UK, Bloody Hell in America, Kissing Mister Quimper and so on
2008-03-17 11:17 < The359> I was refering to the Sex Pistols
2008-03-17 11:19 < gwern> you kids and your music!
2008-03-17 11:25 < icyfate> v
2008-03-17 11:25 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-03-17 11:26 < NotACow> http://www.wikback.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=4210 <- may be interesting
2008-03-17 11:27 < gwern> 'Gary Kildall and the company he founded to sell CP/M, Intergalactic Digital Research, soon became very wealthy. It turned out that a lot of microcomputer companies needed an operating system, and Gary had designed it in a way that separated all the computer-specific bits (called the BIOS) from the rest of the OS. Kildall also did this out of laziness because he didn't want to keep rewriting the whole of CP/M for every new computer. ...
2008-03-17 11:27 < gwern> ... The moral of this story is that being lazy can sometimes be a spectacularly smart thing. '
2008-03-17 11:28 < NotACow> gwern: my career is based on being strategically lazy
2008-03-17 11:28 < NotACow> gwern: automate anything you can
2008-03-17 11:28 < gwern> 'Given that it was originally a quick and dirty clone of a file system designed for 8-bit microcomputers in the 1970s that was itself a quick-and-dirty hack that mimicked the minicomputers of a decade earlier, FAT was not really up for very much. It retained CP/M's "8 and 3" file name limit, and the way it stored files was designed around the physical structure of the floppy disk drive, the primary storage device of the day. '
2008-03-17 11:29 < NotACow> gwern: if you spend 6 hours saving yourself 10 minutes a day, you break even after a little more than a month
2008-03-17 11:29 < gwern> NotACow: I like laziness in my programming languages, not my people
2008-03-17 11:29 < Mike_H> Jenna Wade was a character in the popular American television series Dallas, played most notably by Priscilla Beaulieu Presley (1983-1988). The character of "Jenna" was briefly played by Morgan Fairchild in 1978 and Francine Tacker in 1980.
2008-03-17 11:29 < Mike_H> crap
2008-03-17 11:29 < Mike_H> sorry :<
2008-03-17 11:30 < gwern> 'So did Microsoft address the horrible fragmentation problems of FAT in this version either? The answer is: not so much. But it did at least include a home-grown defragmenting program with Windows 95. Thanks to the power of multitasking, you could even do other things while it was defragging! Except you couldn't, because it would complain that "files had changed" and keep starting over. ' <-- I remember that!
2008-03-17 11:31 < NotACow> gwern: all truly intelligent people are lazy.
2008-03-17 11:33 < gwern> NotACow: brilliant. so if I am not lazy enough to concede immediately, it proves my lack of true intelligence
2008-03-17 11:33 < bumm13> it sounds like much of the stuff you talk about in here anyway :)
2008-03-17 11:33 < NotACow> gwern: hehe
2008-03-17 11:33 < NotACow> gwern: seriously, doing the same thing over and over again is boring :)
2008-03-17 11:33 < gwern> 'Unix started out its life as a pun on MULTICS, a very serious multiuser time-sharing system that didn't like being made fun of, but then went on to leave its serious rival in the dustbin of history. Unix almost completely dominated the market for scientific workstations and servers before being neatly replaced by a work-alike clone called Linux, which started out as a pun on Unix. The moral of the story? Puns can be powerful things.'
2008-03-17 11:34 < NotACow> gwern: lazy people want to do interesting things all the time.
2008-03-17 11:34 < gwern> "I are MULTICS cat. I are serious OS'
2008-03-17 11:35 < NotACow> heh
2008-03-17 11:35 < NotACow> multics was the most complicated OS ever developed
2008-03-17 11:37 < gwern> 'HPFS used B-Trees, supported 255-character file names, and used extents. The root directory was stored in the middle of the disk rather than the beginning, for faster average access times. It did not support journaling, but it did support forks and had extensive metadata abilities. These new metadata were called Extended Attributes and could be stored even on FAT partitions by saving themselves in a files called EA_DATA.SF. Extended ...
2008-03-17 11:37 < gwern> ... attributes were also supported in HFS+, but were not exposed in an Apple OS until Mac OS X 10.4.' <-- in the middle of the drive? that's an interesting idea
2008-03-17 11:37 < gwern> 'Microsoft also knew that DOS needed a replacement, but was soured on its experience with IBM. In Bill Gates' second spectacular application of the Theory of Laziness, he hired Dave Cutler, the architect of DEC's rock-solid VMS operating system, just as DEC was going into a downward spiral from which it would never recover. '
2008-03-17 11:39 < NotACow> gwern: it is uncanny how much NT is like VMS deep down in the innards
2008-03-17 11:39 < gwern> 'One of the reasons that Be, Inc. went out of business is that Jean-Louis Gassee was banking on his old company, Apple, bailing him out by buying the BeOS to use for their next operating system. Apple's traditional Mac OS had not aged very well. Its lack of memory protection, automatic memory allocation, and preemptive multitasking was starting to hurt the company very badly, and when Apple's internal replacement, Copland, fell apart ...
2008-03-17 11:39 < gwern> ... in a pile of sticky entrails, the company went shopping for a replacement. Solaris, BeOS, and even the hated Windows NT were all in contention for the prize, and BeOS was the leading candidate. The ever-colorful Gassee said he "had Apple by the balls and was going to squeeze until it hurt."
2008-03-17 11:39 < gwern> 'He squeezed a little too hard. Someone inside Apple made a phone call to Steve Jobs at NeXT, and the rest is history. ' <-- oops
2008-03-17 11:39 < gwern> NotACow: I haven't been surprised since I found out about Cutler years ago
2008-03-17 11:40 < gwern> 'Project leader Jeff Bonwick said that "Populating 128-bit file systems would exceed the quantum limits of earth-based storage. You couldn't fill a 128-bit storage pool without boiling the oceans." It would literally take a computer made of pure energy, emitting enough energy to bring the entire world's oceans to a boiling point, to fill up the limits of a 128-bit file system. It seems unlikely that anyone is going to build a 256-bit ...
2008-03-17 11:40 < gwern> ... file system any time soon.' <-- lol
2008-03-17 11:41 < NotACow> 128-bit file system?
2008-03-17 11:41 < NotACow> what's a 128-bit filesystem?
2008-03-17 11:41 < gwern> NotACow: presumably a filesystem with an address space addressed by 128 bit pointers
2008-03-17 11:42 < NotACow> gwern: ah
2008-03-17 11:51 < kenlyric> nobody needs more than 1024k
2008-03-17 11:56 < Messedrocker> i thought it was 640k
2008-03-17 11:56 < Cyrius> it was
2008-03-17 12:02 < Pilotguy> lol @ today's xkcd
2008-03-17 12:02 < Cyrius> I like the throwaway line at the end
2008-03-17 12:03 < MindstormsKid> gwern:what does that mean?
2008-03-17 12:03 < Gracenotes> Cyrius: it looks like the point of the comic, imho
2008-03-17 12:04 < Cyrius> Gracenotes: it works on two levels
2008-03-17 12:04 < Gracenotes> it's an analogy, I guess
2008-03-17 12:04 < Gracenotes> without either part, the comic wouldn't be as funny.
2008-03-17 12:06 * Ceiling_Cat returns to ur ceiling
2008-03-17 12:07 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-17 12:07 < The359> Ceiling Cat can leave the ceiling?
2008-03-17 12:08 < Cyrius> he can go to other ceilings
2008-03-17 12:08 < Cyrius> he's now back in ours
2008-03-17 12:08 * Ceiling_Cat nods
2008-03-17 12:08 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-ed-epa17mar17,1,431425.story
2008-03-17 12:08 < Ceiling_Cat> hehe
2008-03-17 12:08 < Ceiling_Cat> great title
2008-03-17 12:09 < bumm13> hiya Demi
2008-03-17 12:09 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-17 12:10 < Demi> hi bumm13
2008-03-17 12:10 < Demi> my ween t-shirt saves the day again
2008-03-17 12:10 < Demi> st. patrick's day, that is
2008-03-17 12:10 < NotACow> whee
2008-03-17 12:10 < NotACow> i got compared to a nazi again
2008-03-17 12:10 < NotACow> well, not directly
2008-03-17 12:11 < The359> Ur Nazi or Neo Nazi?
2008-03-17 12:11 < Cyrius> your a nazi
2008-03-17 12:11 < NotACow> ur-nazis, i think
2008-03-17 12:11 < NotACow> concentration camps were invoked
2008-03-17 12:11 < The359> always a good arguement
2008-03-17 12:11 < Demi> funny, people always compare me to Huns
2008-03-17 12:12 < Demi> or wait, i think it's the Juns from Beastmaster
2008-03-17 12:12 < Demi> probably because i look like rip torn
2008-03-17 12:12 < Cyrius> hah
2008-03-17 12:12 < Demi> bbl all
2008-03-17 12:13 < gwern> MindstormsKid: what does what mean?
2008-03-17 12:13 < MindstormsKid> Project leader Jeff Bonwick said that "Populating 128-bit file systems would exceed the quantum limits of earth-based storage. You couldn't fill a 128-bit storage pool without boiling the oceans." It would literally take a computer made of pure energy, emitting enough energy to bring the entire world's oceans to a boiling point, to fill up the limits of a 128-bit file system. It seems...
2008-03-17 12:13 < MindstormsKid> ...unlikely that anyone is going to build a 256-bit ...
2008-03-17 12:13 < bumm13> zomg flood!
2008-03-17 12:13 < The359> hmmm
2008-03-17 12:13 < MindstormsKid> not flood! :O
2008-03-17 12:13 < The359> there's a satellite twice as old as I am still in space...
2008-03-17 12:13 < Cyrius> zomg _redundant_ flood
2008-03-17 12:13 < gwern> MindstormsKid: what don't you understand about it?
2008-03-17 12:14 < MindstormsKid> what is a 128-bit file system?
2008-03-17 12:14 < Ceiling_Cat> ZOMG
2008-03-17 12:14 < MindstormsKid> :P
2008-03-17 12:14 < Ceiling_Cat> they The wreckages of HMAS Sydney and the HSK Kormoran are located 66 years after they destroyed each other in a battle that killed more than 700 sailors.
2008-03-17 12:14 < Ceiling_Cat> That was on teh main page last month!
2008-03-17 12:14 * Ceiling_Cat put it on there
2008-03-17 12:14 < Cyrius> <NotACow> what's a 128-bit filesystem?
2008-03-17 12:14 < Cyrius> <gwern> NotACow: presumably a filesystem with an address space addressed by 128 bit pointers
2008-03-17 12:14 < MindstormsKid> oh...
2008-03-17 12:15 < MindstormsKid> :P
2008-03-17 12:15 < gwern> MindstormsKid: it is a file system which can address 2^128 unique bits
2008-03-17 12:15 < Cyrius> unique sectors
2008-03-17 12:15 < Cyrius> not bits
2008-03-17 12:15 * MindstormsKid wonders what that means...
2008-03-17 12:15 < Cyrius> we're going to have to start off with what a bit is, I can just feel it
2008-03-17 12:15 < gwern> Cyrius: thought it was bits, but anyway isn't that just a constant facotr away?
2008-03-17 12:16 < MindstormsKid> no, i know what one is :P :D
2008-03-17 12:16 < ShakespeareFan00> Cyrius: It means that you can address REALLY big disks!
2008-03-17 12:16 < gwern> Cyrius: lol
2008-03-17 12:16 < Cyrius> file systems don't address at bit level
2008-03-17 12:16 * Ceiling_Cat has a really big di....sk
2008-03-17 12:16 < gwern> Cyrius: no, at that point we say read the fucking wiki :)
2008-03-17 12:16 < ShakespeareFan00> Conventional FAt systems are 16bit or 32 bit