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2008-03-16 14:54 < Mole2> Well, that wold work for longer names.
2008-03-16 14:54 < Mole2> But the whole point of {{tlc}} is that it kind of needs to have a short name.
2008-03-16 14:55 < quanticle> Why? Why is the short name so important?
2008-03-16 14:55 < Mole2> {{tl}} is sometimes used several times per sentence in documentation and so will {{tlc}}.
2008-03-16 14:55 < Mole2> In LOTS of the sentences in the same manual page.
2008-03-16 14:56 < Mole2> Like the {{.}} template needs to be short. (Note, I used a "." instead of the proper dot in this sentence so it works over IRC.)
2008-03-16 14:57 < Mole2> Anyway, it doesn't seem to be any standard way of preventing name collisions.
2008-03-16 14:57 < Mole2> So I guess I simply put the templates on both enwp and meta and hope for the best. :(
2008-03-16 14:58 < Mole2> Thanks for your input quanticle.
2008-03-16 15:00 < Mole2> (Well, I will link the template from the docs of all the other similar templates on enwp and meta too I guess...)
2008-03-16 15:06 < mexicanbanana> Can somebody fill me in regarding the history of plastic surgery for beauty reasons?
2008-03-16 15:06 < mexicanbanana> Was it actually common in the 1960s USA?
2008-03-16 15:06 < Alkivar> no
2008-03-16 15:06 < Alkivar> plastic surgery didnt really become common in the US til the 1980s
2008-03-16 15:07 < Alkivar> it existed before then of course... but it wasnt what i would term "common" til the 80s
2008-03-16 15:07 < mexicanbanana> Hmm. Then I guess Ron Serling was talking about the future in the end narration of "Number 12 Looks Just Like You".
2008-03-16 15:07 < mexicanbanana> It seemed like he was talking about the present.
2008-03-16 15:08 < Alkivar> well fashion and magazines and such in the 1960s urged everyone to look the same... just as they do now
2008-03-16 15:08 < Alkivar> but the surgery angle of it i'd say was more of a future vision
2008-03-16 15:09 < SaxPlayer> I've had plastic surgery
2008-03-16 15:09 < Alkivar> as have I... i've had my nose reconstructed twice after it was broken
2008-03-16 15:09 < SaxPlayer> cool, eyebrows and nose and ears here
2008-03-16 15:09 < Alkivar> i'd never mess with my ears
2008-03-16 15:10 < SaxPlayer> Alkivar, mine were stuck
2008-03-16 15:10 < mexicanbanana> Scary.
2008-03-16 15:10 < Alkivar> what did they do to your eyebrows? laser depilation of a unibrow?
2008-03-16 15:10 < BumbleBush> oh goodness me
2008-03-16 15:10 < BumbleBush> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Bahro
2008-03-16 15:10 < SaxPlayer> nah, position correction
2008-03-16 15:10 < BumbleBush> I like the "intro too long" template though
2008-03-16 15:10 < SaxPlayer> microsurgery
2008-03-16 15:10 < Fennec> they can't do anything interesting with ears
2008-03-16 15:10 < Fennec> if you could do long and pointy-like, sure.
2008-03-16 15:10 < mexicanbanana> This episode was scary. :(
2008-03-16 15:10 < Alkivar> well they can de-attach lobes
2008-03-16 15:11 < Alkivar> and shape you to look like spock or an elf if your insane
2008-03-16 15:11 < mexicanbanana> The ending was tragic.
2008-03-16 15:11 < SaxPlayer> My ears were stuck to the skin
2008-03-16 15:11 < Alkivar> SaxPlayer: laying flat against the head?
2008-03-16 15:11 < Fennec> Alkivar: eh, not /good/ elf ears. they only have ugly kinds. :P
2008-03-16 15:11 < SaxPlayer> yup
2008-03-16 15:11 < SaxPlayer> and i paid 0$ for the surgery
2008-03-16 15:12 < Alkivar> i knew a kid growing up who had that done... one of his ears was almost flat against his head, the other wasnt
2008-03-16 15:12 < Alkivar> he had surgery in 6th or 7th grade
2008-03-16 15:12 < Alkivar> made a hell of a difference in the way he looked
2008-03-16 15:12 < SaxPlayer> true :)
2008-03-16 15:12 < SaxPlayer> I am getting laser treatement this summer too
2008-03-16 15:12 < mexicanbanana> What is the reason that 1950s American cars drink so much gasoline? Was it just because all cars back then were like that, or was there something special with the cars from the USA?
2008-03-16 15:13 < Fennec> gas is cheap, good engines and light cars are hard.
2008-03-16 15:13 < BumbleBush> A mixture
2008-03-16 15:13 < Fennec> *was cheap.
2008-03-16 15:13 < BumbleBush> yea
2008-03-16 15:13 < SaxPlayer> to remove black pockets under my eyes
2008-03-16 15:13 < Fennec> and big cars are moderately useful.
2008-03-16 15:14 < BumbleBush> the need to have cheap cars (where not much money had been spend on fuel-saving research) was bigger than the need to save fuel
2008-03-16 15:16 < Mole2> Yeah, back when the gas was cheap it was probably nice to have a big car that could room your whole family with four children, or your whole gang. :)
2008-03-16 15:16 < BumbleBush> Heh... I was close to prove notability by bold assertion.
2008-03-16 15:16 < Fennec> Alkivar: IMO, all that body modification sorts of stuff might be neat... if it all didn't end up so stupid and ugly.
2008-03-16 15:16 < Fennec> it's not so much modification as mutilation.
2008-03-16 15:17 < BumbleBush> Definitely nothing to wear past forty
2008-03-16 15:17 < BumbleBush> for most people
2008-03-16 15:17 < Mole2> Fennec: Yeah, many people that use plastic surgery have a weird idea of "beauty".
2008-03-16 15:17 < Fennec> plastic or otherwise...
2008-03-16 15:17 < BumbleBush> Is it horrible to write "is a notable band..."
2008-03-16 15:17 < BumbleBush> ?
2008-03-16 15:17 < Mole2> But those that do it right we probably don't notice, since then we can't tell they did surgery.
2008-03-16 15:18 < Mole2> But I will never understand why some people hesitate to remove a big ugly wart they have in the face.
2008-03-16 15:18 < Fennec> Mole2: I'm thinking more like Alkivar's elf-ears stuff.
2008-03-16 15:18 < BumbleBush> Is it secondly bad to add a single sentence containing a redlink to an article without planning to bluelink it immediately?
2008-03-16 15:18 < Mole2> BumbleBush: I bet some editors will jump you if you write "is a notable band...". :))
2008-03-16 15:19 < Mole2> Fennec: Some famous person (in the US I bet) named Alkivar got himself elf-ears? Man. :)
2008-03-16 15:19 < Mole2> *Man, that is crazy. :)
2008-03-16 15:19 * Fennec eyes Mole2 warily.
2008-03-16 15:20 < Mole2> BumbleBush: No, it is not considered bad to leave some red links in an article.
2008-03-16 15:20 < Mole2> BumbleBush: But avoid the "sea of red" effect...
2008-03-16 15:20 < BumbleBush> ya, just one that I fully intend to stitch later
2008-03-16 15:21 < Mole2> Especially if you intend to make that other article some time in the future, then you should have the link.
2008-03-16 15:21 < Mole2> Since then you yourself think it is notable enough to actually have an article.
2008-03-16 15:21 < Mole2> But personally I avoid leaving redlinks nowadays.
2008-03-16 15:22 < Mole2> Were over 2 million articles and have no lack of editors on en.wp anymore. So I don't feel the pressing need to entice more people to become editors enwp editors.
2008-03-16 15:22 < Mole2> Instead I try to leave "my" article good looking.
2008-03-16 15:23 < Mole2> But that is just my personal tast.
2008-03-16 15:23 < Mole2> BumbleBush: Instead I tend to put such red links on my "to-do list" on my own user page. :)
2008-03-16 15:24 < Mole2> With a comment like: "And link it from X, Y and Z."
2008-03-16 15:24 < BumbleBush> I have little doubt it's notable enough
2008-03-16 15:24 < BumbleBush> just not sure I can be arsed to collect English sources tonight
2008-03-16 15:24 < BumbleBush> :-)
2008-03-16 15:24 < BumbleBush> On verra.
2008-03-16 15:24 < Mole2> Sometimes I leave such red links on the talk pages of the articles that should link to it, suggesting that such an article might be needed.
2008-03-16 15:25 < Mole2> BumbleBush: Well, leave it red, or leave it red on your userpage, and perhaps take car of it some time in the future.
2008-03-16 15:25 < Mole2> BumbleBush: What does "On verra." mean?
2008-03-16 15:25 < BumbleBush> "we'll see"
2008-03-16 15:26 < BumbleBush> it would look odd not to link to it, it's a band name
2008-03-16 15:26 < Mole2> Ah ok.
2008-03-16 15:26 < BumbleBush> maybe put it in italics first
2008-03-16 15:26 < Mole2> He, typical thing to leave red then. :)
2008-03-16 15:26 < BumbleBush> Yep.
2008-03-16 15:27 < Mole2> Though almost evil to leave it red: "Look, your link is red, your puny band is not notable enough to already have an article on wp." :))
2008-03-16 15:27 < Mole2> Just joking. Of course you should leave a band link red if the band has some notability.
2008-03-16 15:28 < Mole2> Some month ago some editor linked to one of my web sites, and put my name next to the link too. That was a strange feeling. Almost as if it was a red link to my name. :))
2008-03-16 15:29 < Mole2> (I removed it, I don't think my website and I am notable enough.)
2008-03-16 15:29 < fideL> nabend
2008-03-16 15:29 < Mole2> fideL: Good evening.
2008-03-16 15:29 * Mole2 guesses fideL is German in some way. :)
2008-03-16 15:29 < fideL> German or engl?
2008-03-16 15:29 < Mole2> fideL: Most speak English in here. Although some of us understand German.
2008-03-16 15:30 < BumbleBush> The guys in that band are over sixty by now, they'll be able to withstand the assault on their ego.
2008-03-16 15:30 < BumbleBush> :-D
2008-03-16 15:30 < fideL> Mole2 okay
2008-03-16 15:31 < Mole2> fideL: There's also #wikipedia-de (in Deutsh!)
2008-03-16 15:31 < fideL> thx
2008-03-16 15:31 < fideL> :)
2008-03-16 15:31 < Lucifer_Cat_> in terms of websites and blogs, what qualifies as "notable"?
2008-03-16 15:31 < BumbleBush> Gosh. I hate the label of "beat music"
2008-03-16 15:31 * BumbleBush tries to find a way to avoid it
2008-03-16 15:31 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat_: There are a bunch of answers.
2008-03-16 15:32 < Lubaf> 1. Has it been the center of a major news story?
2008-03-16 15:32 < Mole2> BumbleBush: Over 60? I guess they DESERVE an article, or at least a red link then. :)
2008-03-16 15:32 < BumbleBush> Yea, later.
2008-03-16 15:32 < BumbleBush> :-)
2008-03-16 15:32 < Lucifer_Cat_> Lubaf: whats 2/3/4?
2008-03-16 15:33 < Lubaf> 2. How many readers does it have?
2008-03-16 15:33 < Lucifer_Cat_> ofcourse you can drop it if its not worth the trouble
2008-03-16 15:33 * Mole2 decides he really have to go back to his meta template coding, testing and documenting. Much work to be done...
2008-03-16 15:33 * BumbleBush considers putting "British Invasion-type"
2008-03-16 15:33 < Lubaf> 3. How notable are the people involved?
2008-03-16 15:33 < Lucifer_Cat_> hmmmm
2008-03-16 15:35 < Lubaf> 4. Is the site's notability purely inherited from a single source?
2008-03-16 15:36 < Lubaf> 5. Is the site a notable webcomic? (Different standards, there.)
2008-03-16 15:36 < Lubaf> 6. Is the site a porn site? (Again, a different standard applies; a much tougher one.)
2008-03-16 15:36 < Lucifer_Cat_> ah...
2008-03-16 15:37 < Lubaf> 7. How much money was poured down its gullet, never to be seen again?
2008-03-16 15:38 < Lubaf> (#7 is an out for all those dot com sites that completely failed, and yet are notable for how spectacularly they failed.)
2008-03-16 15:38 < Lubaf> Y HALO THAR, BOO.COM!
2008-03-16 15:38 < Lucifer_Cat_> its interesting that "The Dilbert Blog" isnt an article, neither is it featured on [[Scott Adams]]... considering that atleast some info is taken from the blog itself
2008-03-16 15:38 < Messedrocker> or enron
2008-03-16 15:38 < Messedrocker> that was a dot com wasn't it? :P
2008-03-16 15:39 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat_: That's because it's notability is purely singly inherited.
2008-03-16 15:39 < Lubaf> *purely and singly inherited
2008-03-16 15:39 < shimgray> Lubaf: and as any fool knows, notability is recessive, you have to inherit it both ways
2008-03-16 15:39 < Lucifer_Cat_> umm... what does that mean
2008-03-16 15:39 < Messedrocker> hello SonicCD
2008-03-16 15:39 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat_: Its notability is inherited, but only from a single source.
2008-03-16 15:40 < shimgray> if it's only notable as an ancillary detail to one thing, mention it as an aspect of that thing
2008-03-16 15:40 < Lubaf> It's too closely tied to Dilbert to be considered even vaguely worthy of its own article.
2008-03-16 15:40 < shimgray> if it has minor notability as an aspect of two different things, it might be worth mentioning individually
2008-03-16 15:40 < Lucifer_Cat_> its actually very very little about the comic
2008-03-16 15:41 < Lucifer_Cat_> and it regularly causes storms on various forums on religion and politics
2008-03-16 15:41 * BumbleBush decides to go for "British Invasion-influenced"
2008-03-16 15:41 < BumbleBush> Splitting The Difference Since 1985.
2008-03-16 15:42 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat_: Then it goes under [[Scott Adams]]. Have fun.
2008-03-16 15:43 < Lubaf> [[Larry Semon]] has at least three minor notable items about him, one good bit of trivia, and one major speculative item.
2008-03-16 15:43 < Lucifer_Cat_> well im not protesting the exclusion
2008-03-16 15:43 < Lubaf> Worthy of a stub.
2008-03-16 15:44 < Lubaf> Worked with Laurel and Hardy before either worked with the other; did a 1925 silent version of the Wizard of Oz; spent like money was going out of fashion.
2008-03-16 15:44 < Lucifer_Cat_> lol
2008-03-16 15:45 < BumbleBush> Horror Drummer Ringu Starr
2008-03-16 15:45 < BumbleBush> Sorry, random
2008-03-16 15:46 < Lucifer_Cat_> ringO u mean?
2008-03-16 15:47 < BumbleBush> well
2008-03-16 15:47 < BumbleBush> the guy who played with John Ilyich Lenin and Paul McCarthy
2008-03-16 15:48 < BumbleBush> brb
2008-03-16 16:19 < Calvin> !admin - AIV has lots of IP's again
2008-03-16 16:19 < NotASpy> so does your ISP.
2008-03-16 16:20 < mexicanbanana> Lots of Internet Protocols?
2008-03-16 16:20 < mexicanbanana> AFAIK there are only about 2.
2008-03-16 16:20 < mexicanbanana> IPv4 and IPv6.
2008-03-16 16:20 < mexicanbanana> Also, it's "IPs" and not "IP's".
2008-03-16 16:20 < J_Milburn> Calvin: Please use #wikipedia-en
2008-03-16 16:20 < Calvin> ok...
2008-03-16 16:21 < J_Milburn> That is the channel for discussion of the English Wikipedia, this one is theoretically multi-lingual
2008-03-16 16:27 < gwern> shuck that jive, man!
2008-03-16 16:27 < gwern> shuck *all* that jive!
2008-03-16 16:33 < Rockfang> Hi all.
2008-03-16 16:33 < Rockfang> By default, are admins exempt from the 3RR?
2008-03-16 16:33 < Lubaf> Rockfang: No.
2008-03-16 16:33 < Lubaf> Nobody is exempt from 3RR.
2008-03-16 16:33 < Rockfang> Thanks.
2008-03-16 16:34 < Lubaf> The only exception is in cases of obvious vandalism.
2008-03-16 16:34 < Rockfang> Understood. This case doesn't pertain to vandalism.
2008-03-16 16:34 < Lubaf> And then, if you've hit three reverts, it's time to call on a higher authority.
2008-03-16 16:34 < Lucifer_Cat_> 3RR = ?
2008-03-16 16:35 < Rockfang> 3 revert rule.
2008-03-16 16:35 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat_: 3 Revert Rule: 3 reverts and you get blocked for 24 hours.
2008-03-16 16:35 < Lucifer_Cat_> you will notice i ask a lot of basic questions.
2008-03-16 16:35 < Lubaf> Full stop.
2008-03-16 16:35 < Rockfang> means you aren't supposed to do more than 3 reverts in a 24 hr period on one page
2008-03-16 16:35 < Lucifer_Cat_> ahh.. i remember it now!!!
2008-03-16 16:35 < Lucifer_Cat_> and people get dummies to do it for them dont they
2008-03-16 16:35 < Rockfang> the block comes on the 4th one
2008-03-16 16:36 < Lubaf> After some 400RR violations, it was decided to make 3RR policy.
2008-03-16 16:36 < Lucifer_Cat_> must have been some war
2008-03-16 16:36 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat_: That it was.
2008-03-16 16:36 < Cyrius> a very boring one
2008-03-16 16:36 < Lucifer_Cat_> gnaa?
2008-03-16 16:36 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat_: Nope.
2008-03-16 16:36 < Cyrius> hardly
2008-03-16 16:37 < Cyrius> people who thought they were right
2008-03-16 16:37 < Lubaf> Some ethnic feud or other.
2008-03-16 16:37 < Lucifer_Cat_> i read a wiki user page about some of the lamest edit wars ever.
2008-03-16 16:37 < MrZ-man> you can be blocked for edit warring. Full stop
2008-03-16 16:37 < Lubaf> I forget which; they're all so dull and pointless.
2008-03-16 16:37 < MrZ-man> 3RR is not a magic line
2008-03-16 16:37 < Lubaf> MrZ-man: True, but 3RR is a bright line for blocking admins.
2008-03-16 16:38 < Lubaf> If editors violate it, blocking for 24 hours will never be controversial.
2008-03-16 16:39 < WP-Gast> PLEASE anyone help me!!! What is Freeman saying here: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/thebucketlist/trailer1/ ????? His professor did what???
2008-03-16 16:39 < Lubaf> (So long as you weren't involved in the edit war in question, of course.)
2008-03-16 16:39 < Lubaf> I'm hungry.
2008-03-16 16:39 < Lubaf> Anybody got any lurkerflesh I can eat?
2008-03-16 16:40 < Lucifer_Cat> im just a lurking cat
2008-03-16 16:40 < Rockfang> lol
2008-03-16 16:45 < kenlyric> WP-Gast: gave an assignment?
2008-03-16 16:46 < The359> you came here to ask us what someone said in a movie trailer?
2008-03-16 16:46 < The359> For an old movie?
2008-03-16 16:46 < WP-Gast> it's not that old
2008-03-16 16:47 < The359> out of theaters already
2008-03-16 16:47 < The359> at least here
2008-03-16 16:47 < WP-Gast> I am still interested in it
2008-03-16 16:47 < The359> ok, but my point was why would you come here screaming for us to figure it out?
2008-03-16 16:47 < WP-Gast> i cna only understand: My XXX philosophy professor XXXXXXXXX and called it the bucket List...
2008-03-16 16:48 < WP-Gast> i did not scream ;)
2008-03-16 16:48 < WP-Gast> i just thought you nice guys were that good at english that it would be easy for you to help me
2008-03-16 16:49 < WP-Gast> The359 so....will you help me?
2008-03-16 16:49 < The359> I'm busy
2008-03-16 16:50 < WP-Gast> k
2008-03-16 16:50 < WP-Gast> sorry
2008-03-16 16:51 < Lucifer_Cat> jackass left just when i was about to reveal the truth
2008-03-16 16:51 < The359> he's going to go kill himself now
2008-03-16 16:53 < Lucifer_Cat> lil do i care
2008-03-16 16:56 < The359> it's always a bummer when there's a big event and I can't find anyone who uploaded pictures of it to Flickr under usable CC licenses.
2008-03-16 17:03 < Lubaf> These are the voyages of the starship Murderprise...
2008-03-16 17:03 < Lucifer_Cat> [[scott adams]] does not have a pic... and theres a pic of his at http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/about.html ... i have half a mind about mailing and asking him if it could be used
2008-03-16 17:03 < Lucifer_Cat> im sure his ego would feel good :P
2008-03-16 17:04 < Lubaf> Lucifer_Cat: Go ahead. Make sure to ask for it to be under some version of the Creative Commons that allows for commercial use.
2008-03-16 17:04 < Lucifer_Cat> okie
2008-03-16 17:06 < ShakespeareFan00> Lubaf: Unlikley
2008-03-16 17:06 < ShakespeareFan00> Scot Adamms is a 'commercial' cartoonist
2008-03-16 17:10 < Lucifer_Cat> done. mailed him.
2008-03-16 17:10 < Lucifer_Cat> tried to be funny, but i doubt if i was.
2008-03-16 17:12 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-16 17:12 < Rinn> In 1997, at the invitation of Logitech CEO Pierluigi Zappacosta, Adams, wearing a wig and false mustache, successfully impersonated a management consultant and tricked Logitech managers into adopting a mission statement that Adams described as "so impossibly complicated that it has no real context whatsoever."
2008-03-16 17:12 * Rinn giggles
2008-03-16 17:13 < Lubaf> ShakespeareFan00: If he's worried about it being misused, he can go for a no derivatives license.
2008-03-16 17:13 < ShakespeareFan00> Which means it would need a an FUR on wiki
2008-03-16 17:13 < ShakespeareFan00> ND is not 'free' materail in wikipedia terms
2008-03-16 17:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Sarah Connor
2008-03-16 17:14 < Ceiling_Cat> This article clearly needs a section on Storm botnet's attempt to locate and kill Sarah Connor. --Xyzzyplugh (talk) 14:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
2008-03-16 17:14 < Ceiling_Cat> Cute. I always did wonder when building this article if the defensive steps where done manually, or if they actually wrote some sort of system into Storm to have it respond in a list of ways to certain things. Lawrence § t/e 18:09, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
2008-03-16 17:14 * Ceiling_Cat snickers
2008-03-16 17:14 < ShakespeareFan00> Celing_Cat: Which ones Storm?
2008-03-16 17:14 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Rinn_cat
2008-03-16 17:14 < Ceiling_Cat> ShakespeareFan00 - the one on the main page right now
2008-03-16 17:14 < Lubaf> ShakespeareFan00: Isn't there a no-modifications term that's free?
2008-03-16 17:14 < Lubaf> I forget.
2008-03-16 17:15 < ShakespeareFan00> Oh the one that's a botnet written by the 'spooks' to ensure even more draconion IT security legislation get's passed?
2008-03-16 17:15 < ShakespeareFan00> I.E NO-ONE but Microsoft and the NSA can modify your computer ;)
2008-03-16 17:16 < Lubaf> ShakespeareFan00: I'd say that that's not accurate.
2008-03-16 17:16 < Lubaf> It's just some really ambitious botnet operator.
2008-03-16 17:16 < ShakespeareFan00> Come on - Storm fights attempts to shut it down
2008-03-16 17:17 < NotACow> moo!
2008-03-16 17:17 < Fennec> wouldn't you do the same, if you had a lucrative resource like that (and were presumably morally okay with putting up in the first place?)
2008-03-16 17:17 < ShakespeareFan00> Maybe anti-storm will be something that comes to Anon's notice at some point :O ;)
2008-03-16 17:17 < ShakespeareFan00> Storm is symptomatic of something deeply wrong in society
2008-03-16 17:17 < Fennec> failure to care about computer security?
2008-03-16 17:17 < ShakespeareFan00> Fennec: Nah...
2008-03-16 17:18 < ShakespeareFan00> If the Storm botnet was about morals it would have released the source code... ;)
2008-03-16 17:18 < ShakespeareFan00> or gone for political targets
2008-03-16 17:19 < ShakespeareFan00> As it's gone for computer secuirty firms and such it's just another captialistic criminal scam
2008-03-16 17:31 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-03-16 17:32 < Lubaf> How's limit breaks?
2008-03-16 17:34 < gwern> 'This is believed to be the first time that a featured picture has been nominated, promoted, highlighted on the main page, delisted, and repromoted in less than 30 days.'
2008-03-16 17:34 * gwern likes the implication that that has happened before, in 30 days
2008-03-16 17:35 < White_Cat> gwern drama...
2008-03-16 17:37 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: i think it means that the whole process took place in less than 30 days
2008-03-16 17:39 * Ceiling_Cat pounces on White_Cat
2008-03-16 17:39 * Ceiling_Cat shaves White_Cat bare
2008-03-16 17:43 < Ceiling_Cat> If they want my DNA... (Score:3, Insightful)
2008-03-16 17:43 < Ceiling_Cat> by dotancohen (1015143) Alter Relationship on Sunday March 16, @06:34PM (#22768110) Homepage
2008-03-16 17:43 < Ceiling_Cat> If they want my DNA, they can bend right over and I'll happily give it to them.
2008-03-16 17:43 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-03-16 17:44 < gwern> Lucifer_Cat: no, I mean if you say this is the first time such a process has happened in under 30 days, are you not implying that it has happened before, and in more than 29 days?
2008-03-16 17:44 * gwern is a little depressed tonight
2008-03-16 17:44 < gwern> my dog is going to die tomorrow
2008-03-16 17:44 < gwern> THERE IS NO ARS MORIENDI FOR DOGS
2008-03-16 17:45 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat are you done whats left of my overly abused body?
2008-03-16 17:45 < gwern> where can one find a Bardog Thodol? you can't, they don't exist
2008-03-16 17:46 < gwern> 16 years is a good lifespan for a lab, but I'm still depressed
2008-03-16 17:46 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - no, I plan on doing many more horrible things to your body before long
2008-03-16 17:46 * Ceiling_Cat gets out the grease and tazer
2008-03-16 17:47 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - I'm sorry to hear that :(
2008-03-16 17:47 * gwern is too
2008-03-16 17:48 < gwern> my other dog will be happy though, since they never got along
2008-03-16 17:49 < gwern> (cold comfort though that is)
2008-03-16 17:49 < gwern> ,,,[[cold comfort]] redirects to [[List of Are You Being Served? episodes]
2008-03-16 17:49 < gwern> the heck?
2008-03-16 17:50 < White_Cat> gwern remember death is merely yet another journey
2008-03-16 17:50 < White_Cat> and all dogs go to heaven
2008-03-16 17:50 < gwern> White_Cat: I can't remember anything of the sort, being an atheist
2008-03-16 17:50 < White_Cat> gwern it was a cartoon
2008-03-16 17:51 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Dogs_Go_to_Heaven
2008-03-16 17:51 < gwern> White_Cat: I know
2008-03-16 17:51 < GoldFlower> White Cat! Just because your a kitty doesn
2008-03-16 17:51 < gwern> there was more than one, wasn't there? I remember a sequel
2008-03-16 17:51 < GoldFlower> All Dogs go to heaven 2
2008-03-16 17:51 < White_Cat> yes
2008-03-16 17:51 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Dogs_Go_to_Heaven_2
2008-03-16 17:52 < GoldFlower> White Cat.... you should be ashamed. Taking about dogs going to heaven.
2008-03-16 17:52 < gwern> 'The film inspired a theatrical sequel, a television series and a Christmas special TV movie.' <-- oh wow
2008-03-16 17:52 < GoldFlower> hello olipro.
2008-03-16 17:52 < GoldFlower> I'm bored.
2008-03-16 17:53 < GoldFlower> Anyone here?
2008-03-16 17:53 < GoldFlower> God.
2008-03-16 17:54 < Fennec> everywhere.
2008-03-16 17:54 < GoldFlower> does anyone know the first IP that vandalised wikipedia (not as a test)?
2008-03-16 17:54 < gwern> GoldFlower: maybe we could discuss human cheese
2008-03-16 17:54 < Fennec> again?
2008-03-16 17:54 < Fennec> nothx
2008-03-16 17:54 < Fennec> DO NOT WANT
2008-03-16 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> However, imagine that the duck did not believe it was a duck. The best way to convince it that it is Anatidaen would be to calmly inform the duck that it is, in fact, a duck. Then show proof (webbed feet, bill, etc) proving as much. Shouting at the duck would probably be less than productive.
2008-03-16 17:54 * Ceiling_Cat laughs
2008-03-16 17:54 < GoldFlower> What's human cheese?
2008-03-16 17:54 < GoldFlower> OMG, CATS EVERYWHERE!
2008-03-16 17:55 < gwern> Fennec: aren't you even a *little* curious as to how it tastes? does it taste more like goat cheese, or cow cheese?
2008-03-16 17:55 < Fennec> nope
2008-03-16 17:55 < Ceiling_Cat> GoldFlower - if you think there's lot of cats in here, you should see #wikimedia-cats
2008-03-16 17:55 < Fennec> extra-sharp cheddar is good enough for me
2008-03-16 17:55 < nokmar> yes, because #wikimedia-cats is always busy
2008-03-16 17:55 < GoldFlower> Who dares me to go to #wikipedia-cats?
2008-03-16 17:55 < GoldFlower> i mean wikimedia
2008-03-16 17:55 < gwern> Fennec: are you telling me you are the sort of person who has never once wondered how dog, horse, cat, rattlesnake, or human tastes?
2008-03-16 17:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Therapist_cat and LOUD_CAT are not here right now
2008-03-16 17:56 < GoldFlower> Gwern - try out the cheese yourself.
2008-03-16 17:56 < Fennec> gwern: I'm given to understand people taste like bacon.
2008-03-16 17:56 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: OM NOM NOM NOM NOM...
2008-03-16 17:56 < Ceiling_Cat> nor Looooooooong_Cat, Basement_Cat, Floor_Feline, or Attic_Cat
2008-03-16 17:56 < gwern> Fennec: and I am given to understand rattlesnake tastes like chicken. srsly
2008-03-16 17:56 < GoldFlower> OK, Ceiling cat, only if you arte there.
2008-03-16 17:57 < Fennec> and cats aren't for eating. cats are for gutting and stringing musical instruments with.
2008-03-16 17:57 < Ceiling_Cat> Fennec - you LIE!
2008-03-16 17:57 < Ceiling_Cat> what about Alf?!
2008-03-16 17:57 < Fennec> ./~ who's Alf?
2008-03-16 17:57 < Lubaf> Fennec: NIS ATTYTUDE U GOT HURR.
2008-03-16 17:57 < Ceiling_Cat> see [[ALF (TV series)]]
2008-03-16 17:58 < GoldFlower> ok... im off to see the kitty korner.
2008-03-16 17:58 < Fennec> Lubaf: I need lots of cats, too, since my instrument has lots of strings
2008-03-16 17:58 < Ceiling_Cat> ALF's body is covered with rust-colored fur(he once described his color as burnt sienna). He has a rippled snout, facial moles, eight stomachs, and he likes to eat cats.
2008-03-16 17:58 < GoldFlower> *me yanks Ceiling_Cat (who's on a leash) so that the kitty will protect GoldFlower
2008-03-16 17:58 < Fennec> GoldFlower: methinks you want a /me
2008-03-16 17:59 < gwern> 'The other important thing to mention, here, is that Microsoft has included a genuinely cool feature in the Office package: a Basic programming package. Basic is the first computer language that I learned, back when I was using the paper tape and the teletype. By using the version of Basic that comes with Office you can write your own little utility programs that know how to interact with all of the little doohickeys, gewgaws, bells, ...
2008-03-16 17:59 < GoldFlower> oops.
2008-03-16 17:59 < gwern> ... and whistles in Office. Basic is easier to use than the languages typically employed in Unix command-line programming, and Office has reached many, many more people than the GNU tools. And so it is quite possible that this feature of Office will, in the end, spawn more hacking than GNU. ' 'Well it's certainly spawned ... more VIRUSES than ANY OTHER FEATURE IN THE HISTORY OF SOFTWARE. Heh heh heh. '
2008-03-16 17:59 < GoldFlower> Shit.
2008-03-16 17:59 < Fennec> multiplication, division, I know
2008-03-16 17:59 < GoldFlower> Ceiling_Cat, you get on over!
2008-03-16 17:59 < GoldFlower> kitty!
2008-03-16 17:59 < Fennec> gwern: tell me about it?
2008-03-16 17:59 < GoldFlower> EJF!
2008-03-16 17:59 < GoldFlower> Who the hell are you... :(
2008-03-16 17:59 < Fennec> anyhmm.
2008-03-16 18:00 < gwern> Fennec: I just did
2008-03-16 18:00 < EJF> Just any old wiki editor just trying out irc
2008-03-16 18:00 * Fennec has an hour and a half before choir, in which he shall.... do what exactly now? hmm
2008-03-16 18:00 < GoldFlower> ok
2008-03-16 18:00 * GoldFlower tries to learn LOLCAT language before going to #wikimedia-cats
2008-03-16 18:00 < Fennec> GoldFlower: hardly the friendliest greeting there
2008-03-16 18:00 < Fennec> :P
2008-03-16 18:00 < Fennec> hi EJF!
2008-03-16 18:01 < EJF> hello! :)
2008-03-16 18:01 < GoldFlower> OK, how about this:
2008-03-16 18:01 < GoldFlower> Hi, hi, I wanna learn everything about you, we'll be best buddies!
2008-03-16 18:01 < GoldFlower> :)
2008-03-16 18:01 < GoldFlower> come on.
2008-03-16 18:01 < Fennec> GoldFlower: and you know only those extrema? :P
2008-03-16 18:02 < EJF> hmm... maybe...?? ;-)
2008-03-16 18:02 < GoldFlower> yeah :(
2008-03-16 18:02 * GoldFlower cries at Fennec's comment
2008-03-16 18:03 < GoldFlower> who wants to walk me to wikimedia-cats?
2008-03-16 18:03 < GoldFlower> I'm afraid.
2008-03-16 18:03 < Fennec> sorry, gotta go, later ./~ I am off to play my harp, acquire food, and drive across town to choir.
2008-03-16 18:03 < GoldFlower> :,( I'll never forget you, Fennec!
2008-03-16 18:03 < GoldFlower> :'(
2008-03-16 18:04 * GoldFlower sobs
2008-03-16 18:05 * GoldFlower leaves to committ suicide over tragic leaving of Fennec
2008-03-16 18:08 * Krimpet hopes said harp is of the blues variety :p
2008-03-16 18:12 < Lubaf> When you / Were young and dumb...
2008-03-16 18:21 < The359> and full of cum?
2008-03-16 18:23 < NotASpy> and banged a possum
2008-03-16 18:37 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-16 18:44 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles White_Cat
2008-03-16 18:44 < The359> Could someone put semi-protection on an article for me?
2008-03-16 18:45 < Ceiling_Cat> See also: http://surreality.info/up/Facehugger.jpg
2008-03-16 18:45 < The359> Article on a website which was just recently closed down
2008-03-16 18:45 < The359> So there's a lot of former members of the site editing the article, both in vandalism and stuff that may be helpful to other users, but not needed on Wikipedia
2008-03-16 18:47 < The359> also.... http://goteaminternet.com/img/docs/5998.jpg
2008-03-16 18:48 < Ceiling_Cat> The359 - lulz!
2008-03-16 18:49 < The359> so, no one for the semi-protect?
2008-03-16 18:51 < The359> !admin z0mg it's GNAA!!!
2008-03-16 18:52 < The359> I figured that'd get their attention...
2008-03-16 18:52 < Ceiling_Cat> The359 - which articel do you want protected?
2008-03-16 18:53 < Ceiling_Cat> (semi-protected)
2008-03-16 18:53 < The359> [[Consumating]]
2008-03-16 18:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Done
2008-03-16 18:54 < The359> ty
2008-03-16 19:01 * BumbleBush still has got this preposterous name
2008-03-16 19:01 < PoleCat> Woops
2008-03-16 19:02 < ThePolecat> That's better
2008-03-16 19:04 < Lucifer_Cat> ThePolecat = BumbleBush?
2008-03-16 19:04 < Lucifer_Cat> i have nick changes, joins and quits turned off
2008-03-16 19:04 < ThePolecat> yea
2008-03-16 19:04 < Lucifer_Cat> hmm
2008-03-16 19:04 < Lucifer_Cat> i was gonna ask you what you intended to do after next Jan :P
2008-03-16 19:07 * amidaniel belatedly stabs The359
2008-03-16 19:08 < The359> ?
2008-03-16 19:29 < forrestv> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken#Going_broody - I think that subtitle is vandalism...
2008-03-16 19:30 < forrestv> ignore that, sorry
2008-03-16 19:31 < Cyrius> city boy!
2008-03-16 19:32 < Cyrius> hee: [[Tastes like chicken]]
2008-03-16 19:32 * forrestv can't remember that in The Matrix
2008-03-16 19:36 < Leslie_S> anyone here have at&t dsl?
2008-03-16 19:37 < cimon> what's up, hep-cats?
2008-03-16 19:37 < Messedrocker> ain't nothing, hep-burn
2008-03-16 19:46 < Lycurgus> Leslie_S: i do.
2008-03-16 19:49 < Lycurgus> (although this irc connection is not using it)
2008-03-16 20:02 < noclip> gah, looking at the news these days is depressing
2008-03-16 20:03 < noclip> i mean, look at this
2008-03-16 20:03 < noclip> http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/16/youthjustice.children
2008-03-16 20:03 < noclip> and this: http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20080315TDY01305.htm
2008-03-16 20:05 < noclip> CERN needs to hurry up and finish that LHC to wipe out the earth
2008-03-16 20:07 < quanticle> noclip: Yeah. No kidding.
2008-03-16 20:07 < Fixman> Hey
2008-03-16 20:07 < quanticle> noclip: Did you hear that the British government is looking to collect DNA from children as young as 5, if they exhibit "potentially criminal tendencies".
2008-03-16 20:07 < Fixman> Wuzzup?
2008-03-16 20:07 < Fixman> WoW
2008-03-16 20:08 < noclip> i'm pretty sure i exhibited "potentionally criminal tendencies" at 5
2008-03-16 20:08 < noclip> yet i have never had so much as a speeding ticket in my life
2008-03-16 20:08 < Messedrocker> quanticle, i think that if you're going to register children, you should register all children
2008-03-16 20:08 < kim_bruning> I think you shouldn't
2008-03-16 20:08 < Messedrocker> to avoid being accused of discrimination and to account for those who don't display criminal tendencies until later in their life
2008-03-16 20:08 < kim_bruning> aren't folks in .uk gonna be poed or anythin?
2008-03-16 20:08 < noclip> how is this even a debate?
2008-03-16 20:09 < quanticle> Messedrocker: That's kinda disturbing to have to be registered with the government for doing nothing wrong.
2008-03-16 20:09 < Fixman> Has someone ever heared of XYY? They say they are very violent
2008-03-16 20:09 < Messedrocker> quanticle, which is why I don't like it, but if you're going to do it, go all the way
2008-03-16 20:09 < Messedrocker> Fixman, it would make sense that XYY folk are very violent
2008-03-16 20:09 < noclip> britain needs to be quarantined like it zombie films
2008-03-16 20:09 < Messedrocker> they have double the instructions for testosterone production
2008-03-16 20:09 < kim_bruning> Messedrocker, are they?
2008-03-16 20:09 < Fixman> Lol
2008-03-16 20:09 < Gracenotes> noclip: that would be a good setup for a holocaust of some kind
2008-03-16 20:09 < Messedrocker> but i thought they were mostly just freakishly tall
2008-03-16 20:09 < quanticle> noclip: Y'know, I think Orwell got the date wrong when he wrote his book. I think he meant 2004, rather than 1984...
2008-03-16 20:10 < noclip> the choice for the date was actually arbitrary
2008-03-16 20:10 < noclip> he flipped the "48" in 1948 to get 1984
2008-03-16 20:10 < quanticle> kim_bruning: The people in the UK lost their chance to be PO'd when they allowed the government to set up <s>telescreens</s> surveillance cameras on a pervasive basis.
2008-03-16 20:10 < Messedrocker> incidentally
2008-03-16 20:10 < Messedrocker> 1984 was the year of staunch conservatism
2008-03-16 20:11 < quanticle> Messedrocker: I wouldn't call either Reagan or Thatcher conservative.
2008-03-16 20:11 < quanticle> The closest I'd come is neo-con
2008-03-16 20:11 < kim_bruning> quanticle, Meh, make it a transparent society, put all the cameras on the internet so anyone can view them
2008-03-16 20:11 < Messedrocker> well at one point neocons were socialists
2008-03-16 20:11 < kim_bruning> that'd be fair, right?
2008-03-16 20:11 < noclip> but seriously, those guys at CERN need to "accidentally" get some of the calculations wrong
2008-03-16 20:11 < Messedrocker> then they became very conservative
2008-03-16 20:12 < noclip> we'd be doing the universe a favor by destroying our species
2008-03-16 20:12 < enok|walker> hay gang
2008-03-16 20:12 < quanticle> kim_bruning: Trasparent society doesn't work as long as the police/government have more power than the average citizen, since surveillance tends to magnify existing power structures.
2008-03-16 20:13 < quanticle> Messedrocker: I don't know what definition of conservative you're using, but the neocons aren't conservative by any commonly used definition.
2008-03-16 20:13 < noclip> neocons = crazies
2008-03-16 20:13 < noclip> conservatives != crazies
2008-03-16 20:14 < noclip> it's pretty simple
2008-03-16 20:14 < kim_bruning> quanticle, well.. it's a start
2008-03-16 20:14 < noclip> but come on
2008-03-16 20:14 < quanticle> noclip: Meh. Conservatives == not as crazy. Conservatives are still crazy but at least they don't foist their craziness onto others.
2008-03-16 20:14 < noclip> how great would it be to turn into [[strange matter]]
2008-03-16 20:15 < noclip> or be sucked into a black hole
2008-03-16 20:15 < quanticle> noclip: I'd imagine it'd be rather painful.
2008-03-16 20:15 < Messedrocker> quanticle, by running for government under a conservative label they effectively do
2008-03-16 20:15 < noclip> you wouldn't feel a thing
2008-03-16 20:16 < quanticle> noclip: Yes I would. Black holes stretch you like a bit of spagetti as you're sucked in...
2008-03-16 20:16 < noclip> your brain would die before you were strechted too much
2008-03-16 20:16 < Supaplex> how do I include only a section from an article? {{:Article}} includes the whole article.
2008-03-16 20:16 < noclip> in any case, the strange matter scenario is more likely
2008-03-16 20:17 < quanticle> noclip: Now that'd be cool - get turned into strange matter... It'd certainly be an *interesting* way for us to wipe ourselves out. Certainly more awesome than nuclear holocaust or global warming.
2008-03-16 20:18 < mavhc> you can pass through the event horizon without any problems if the black hole is massive enough
2008-03-16 20:19 < enok|walker> hay isn't this wikipedia chat let's talk about wikipedia
2008-03-16 20:19 < Gracenotes> Supaplex: you can't, sorry :(
2008-03-16 20:19 < Cyrius> mavhc: _maybe_
2008-03-16 20:19 < Messedrocker> enok|walker, this is but this tends to be the off-topic channel
2008-03-16 20:19 < Cyrius> nobody's actually tried it, after all =)
2008-03-16 20:19 < enok|walker> ?
2008-03-16 20:19 < mavhc> Cyrius: well, noone's ever come back to say they have
2008-03-16 20:19 < enok|walker> lame
2008-03-16 20:20 < quanticle> mavhc: Not really, since as you approach the black hole, the gravitational difference between the top and bottom of your body will stretch you out into a long string....
2008-03-16 20:20 < Supaplex> Gracenotes: oh I know. I can put <noinclude> around my category: links. *ding* light goes off. :)
2008-03-16 20:20 < Supaplex> ty anyway
2008-03-16 20:20 < Gracenotes> Supaplex: noinclude in main space usually isn't a good idea
2008-03-16 20:20 < mavhc> quanticle: but if it's large enough the difference at the event horizon isn't that much
2008-03-16 20:20 < enok|walker> wanted to ask about submitting an article to FA finally :/
2008-03-16 20:20 < quanticle> enok|walker: If you want to talk about wikipedia, go to #wikipedia-en
2008-03-16 20:20 < quanticle> enok|walker: That's the "on topic" channel.
2008-03-16 20:20 < Supaplex> Gracenotes: for my own wiki?
2008-03-16 20:20 < Gracenotes> Supaplex: oh, sure
2008-03-16 20:21 < quanticle> mavhc: /window 6
2008-03-16 20:21 < enok|walker> ok homos
2008-03-16 20:21 < quanticle> oops
2008-03-16 20:21 < Gracenotes> Supaplex: if it's your own wiki, you could install http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion, if it's useful
2008-03-16 20:21 < Gracenotes> in this case, and overall
2008-03-16 20:22 < PrestonH> Is anybody experienced at the Videogame WikiProject? I have a question.
2008-03-16 20:23 < enok|walker> sorry I should have used a better word
2008-03-16 20:27 < Messedrocker> is there a tool for getting an enumeration of the different revision IDs of an article?
2008-03-16 20:28 < Messedrocker> like, [[Article X]] has the following revision IDs: 2939829, 2994803, 3000399, etc
2008-03-16 20:29 < PrestonH> Is GameFAQs a reliable source when determining the release date of a video game? There are a few articles that have those.
2008-03-16 20:29 < Messedrocker> PrestonH, i'd wager 'no'
2008-03-16 20:29 < quanticle> PrestonH: I'd say its a reliable enough source, as long as its cited.
2008-03-16 20:29 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Why not?
2008-03-16 20:29 < Messedrocker> is gamefaqs privvy to any industry goings-on?
2008-03-16 20:30 < Messedrocker> i.e. does it have connections?
2008-03-16 20:33 < PrestonH> I'm leaning toward no.
2008-03-16 20:38 < Alkivar> words escape me... i have no idea how to describe this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36w-CyqCO1A
2008-03-16 20:38 < quanticle> Messedrocker: I think it does.
2008-03-16 20:40 < Cyrius> Alkivar: I was going to ask you what it was, but then realized the problem with that
2008-03-16 20:46 < mexicanbanana> I gotta ask this before I am able to go to sleep: When mailmen/postmen use a bicycle, which I guess is still the most common transportation for them, how do they "refill" with new mail? Do they have a truck that drives around and drops secured boxes here and there beforehand which they have the key to open or something? I never see these boxes.
2008-03-16 20:48 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-03-16 21:10 < Alkivar> http://www.perpetualkid.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2302
2008-03-16 21:10 < Alkivar> seriously wtf were these people thinking
2008-03-16 21:11 < The359> a joke?
2008-03-16 21:11 < Alkivar> its just wrong on so many levels
2008-03-16 21:11 < rasp1072_> that is...
2008-03-16 21:11 < rasp1072_> interesting
2008-03-16 21:12 < Krimpet> it's not bad as long as it's still butterscotch flavored. :)
2008-03-16 21:12 < rasp1072_> yeas, because when I think haggis, I think butterscotch
2008-03-16 21:12 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR KATZ!
2008-03-16 21:13 * MooingLemur purrs
2008-03-16 21:13 * Ceiling_Cat shaves MooingLemur
2008-03-16 21:13 < Dissentor> A mooing and purring lemur.
2008-03-16 21:14 < privatemusings> g'day krimpet....
2008-03-16 21:14 < Cyrius> and now hairless
2008-03-16 21:14 * privatemusings thinks about butterscotch.....
2008-03-16 21:14 < privatemusings> mmmmmm
2008-03-16 21:14 < Krimpet> hello privatemusings :)
2008-03-16 21:14 < Ceiling_Cat> KRIMPET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-03-16 21:14 < rasp1072_> mmm, boiled innards
2008-03-16 21:14 * Ceiling_Cat facehuggles Krimpet
2008-03-16 21:14 < Krimpet> and Ceiling_Cat :)
2008-03-16 21:16 * Mike_H cuddles privatemusings
2008-03-16 21:16 < privatemusings> g'day mike!
2008-03-16 21:16 < privatemusings> quick question for one and all...
2008-03-16 21:16 < privatemusings> does anyone know which timezone Uninvited Company is in?
2008-03-16 21:17 < Ceiling_Cat> He's in minnisotta
2008-03-16 21:17 < Ceiling_Cat> is that central or mountain time?
2008-03-16 21:17 < Ceiling_Cat> Central
2008-03-16 21:18 < privatemusings> okey dokey.. so it's 9.18pm.......
2008-03-16 21:18 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - he's UTC-6 normally, UTC-5 as of daylight savings time earlier this week
2008-03-16 21:19 < privatemusings> then the wikback forum isn't on his timezone... I've been trying to work out what 'wikback' time is.....
2008-03-16 21:20 < Ceiling_Cat> uh oh
2008-03-16 21:21 < Ceiling_Cat> Alitalia is going out of buisness
2008-03-16 21:21 < privatemusings> geez....
2008-03-16 21:21 < privatemusings> link?
2008-03-16 21:21 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=abG5WXU_8Xz0&refer=home
2008-03-16 21:22 < Ceiling_Cat> The offer by the world's largest airline by sales values Alitalia's stock at 139 million euros ($218 million), or 10 cents a share. That's 81 percent less than the record low closing price on March 14. Alitalia's board voted unanimously to accept the offer as it seeks to avoid bankruptcy.
2008-03-16 21:22 < privatemusings> air france have grabbed a steel...
2008-03-16 21:22 < privatemusings> steal rather....
2008-03-16 21:22 < privatemusings> good on em
2008-03-16 22:02 < Master_son> !admin - I have an outstanding RPP for [[M-185 (Michigan highway)]] that I'd like to withdraw, what's the best course of action?
2008-03-16 22:02 < Golbez> remove it? =p
2008-03-16 22:02 < MrZ-man> remove it?
2008-03-16 22:02 < Golbez> edit summary saying "never mind"
2008-03-16 22:03 < Master_son> k
2008-03-16 22:03 < Master_son> thx
2008-03-16 22:05 < gwern> 'distracted cat is - what?'
2008-03-16 22:13 < Master_son> odd question: is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PATH.svg truly PD? the webiste is copyrighted.
2008-03-16 22:13 < calvin_> according to the tag, it's not eligible for copyright
2008-03-16 22:14 < Cyrius> dunno
2008-03-16 22:14 < Miranda> Master_son: that's tricky
2008-03-16 22:14 < Cyrius> trademark is the more relevant legal concept
2008-03-16 22:15 < Miranda> to be on the safe side, I would treat trademark as copyrighted
2008-03-16 22:16 < Gracenotes> should works whose title start with "The" be sorted under that, or under the first word after "The"?
2008-03-16 22:17 < Gracenotes> (in Wikipedia categories, specifically)
2008-03-16 22:17 < Gracenotes> in a fair amount of cases, the former seems to be true -- that seems incorrect...
2008-03-16 22:17 < Master_son> Miranda: So in a sense, This might be a disputed case?
2008-03-16 22:18 < Miranda> yes because most trademarks are copyrighted
2008-03-16 22:18 < Miranda> but e-mail OTRS first
2008-03-16 22:18 < Master_son> ok.
2008-03-16 22:18 < Master_son> thanks
2008-03-16 22:35 < NotACow> NERF POOT POOT SNARF
2008-03-16 22:37 * privatemusings doesn't speak cow very well.... moo?
2008-03-16 22:38 < NotACow> privatemusings: cow language is really boring, they mostly talk about grass.
2008-03-16 22:38 < privatemusings> mmmm grass.....
2008-03-16 22:39 * privatemusings may have been a cow in a former life....
2008-03-16 22:39 < Warpath> O_O
2008-03-16 22:57 < Lucifer_Cat> taadaaa
2008-03-16 23:01 < gwern> impressive. Bear Stearns is history
2008-03-16 23:02 < gwern> they survived LTCM and all sorts of other stuff, but were done in by derivatives and mortgages
2008-03-16 23:02 < kmccoy> For the first time, I actually considered selling all my stocks today.
2008-03-16 23:02 < gwern> it'd be cause for pondering if the rest of us weren't paying for their greedy idiocy
2008-03-16 23:02 < Lucifer_Cat> kmccoy: either should have done that a few months ago... or you should now wait a few years
2008-03-16 23:02 < kmccoy> Lucifer_Cat, I'm still up from where I purchased them.
2008-03-16 23:03 < Lucifer_Cat> hmmm depends on the company
2008-03-16 23:03 * gwern agrees with Lucifer_Cat. if you sell now, you need to be either exposed to the financial sector such that you are stopping losses, or you're being kind of foolish
2008-03-16 23:03 < Lucifer_Cat> i wish i had any money to buy stocks. i'd have bought some decent ones in a few months
2008-03-16 23:04 < kmccoy> I'm just glad I found a job that pays well enough that I'm not living paycheck to paycheck anymore.