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2008-03-16 02:26 * Warpath gives AdamBishop a wedgie :DD
2008-03-16 02:26 < Warpath> Kirby \o/
2008-03-16 02:28 < Warpath> did Warpathy kill conversation again? O_O
2008-03-16 02:28 < kirby> you scarred AdamBishop
2008-03-16 02:29 < kirby> for life
2008-03-16 02:30 < Warpath> :~(
2008-03-16 02:31 < AdamBishop> no, sorry, I'm just explaining to someone why it is unnecessary to give a reference for a very basic definition, especially if that reference is from Britannica
2008-03-16 02:31 < AdamBishop> referencing an encyclopedia with another encyclopedia is...maddening
2008-03-16 02:37 < Ceiling_Cat> I HAVE A QUESTION
2008-03-16 02:38 < Ceiling_Cat> you guysk know what IPA is, right?
2008-03-16 02:38 < Ceiling_Cat> Does there exist software to take an IPA pronunciation guide and convert it into an mp3?
2008-03-16 02:40 < tty1> is there a reason wikipedia articles about songs do not include the lyrics to the songs? is it a policy? a copyright issue? or just left out by the article authors (and threfore would be ok for me to add it)?
2008-03-16 02:40 < nok_cat> ceiling_cat: that's where dictionary pronunciation sounds come from
2008-03-16 02:40 < nok_cat> although I don't have one and don't know where to get one
2008-03-16 02:41 < Ceiling_Cat> nok_cat - except dictionaries only work for one language
2008-03-16 02:41 < Ceiling_Cat> as I understand it, in principle there is no reason that you couldn't write IPA for *any* spoken language and then automatically convert that into an mp3 using software
2008-03-16 02:41 < arcimboldo_> tty1: first of all the song texts are copyrighted if the writer hasn't died more than 70 years ago.
2008-03-16 02:41 < nok_cat> why would it work for only one language?
2008-03-16 02:42 < arcimboldo_> Secondly, there's Wikisource
2008-03-16 02:42 < nok_cat> is there a different IPA for each language?
2008-03-16 02:42 < Ceiling_Cat> nok_cat - it would work for any spoken language
2008-03-16 02:42 * Warpath faehuggles Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-16 02:42 * Ceiling_Cat puts on his robe and wizard hat
2008-03-16 02:42 < tty1> arcimboldo_: well i was a bit uzzy on the copyright issues, wouldnt it be fair use?
2008-03-16 02:43 < arcimboldo_> Hm - do we accept fair use besides for images?
2008-03-16 02:43 * arcimboldo_ 's primary Wikipedia isn't the English one.
2008-03-16 02:43 * AdamBishop makes a redirect from the ACF page
2008-03-16 02:44 < Ceiling_Cat> I find it amusing that ACF choose to ask about [[The Chalk Circle]]
2008-03-16 02:44 < Ceiling_Cat> seeing as how we do not have an article on it, or a link to it
2008-03-16 02:44 < tty1> well thats why im asking.. id imagine legally lyrics would fall easily within fair use
2008-03-16 02:44 < Ceiling_Cat> and that the poet's article, [[Li Xingdao]], has only one main namespace link
2008-03-16 02:44 < tty1> not to mention that i dont think there is a single artist alive that would complain about it
2008-03-16 02:44 < Ceiling_Cat> talk about freaking obscure
2008-03-16 02:45 < arcimboldo_> I'm sure some would complain.
2008-03-16 02:45 < Ceiling_Cat> I'll take obscure 14th century poems by obscure chinese poets for 100, alex
2008-03-16 02:45 < AdamBishop> well, that's ACF for you
2008-03-16 02:47 < Ceiling_Cat> AdamBishop - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conductance_band&action=history
2008-03-16 02:47 < Ceiling_Cat> You should appreciated my edit summary there ;)
2008-03-16 02:47 < AdamBishop> heh
2008-03-16 02:48 < Warpath> ;~(
2008-03-16 02:48 * Ceiling_Cat latches onto Warpath
2008-03-16 02:48 < AdamBishop> "Obviously experts or at least educated adults don't need a reference for basic info in general, but everyone should quickly find a source for every single statement. See the FA Israel for example, almost every sentence has at least one in-line citation."
2008-03-16 02:48 * AdamBishop 's head asplodes
2008-03-16 02:49 < Warpath> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2008-03-16 02:49 * AdamBishop shakes his fist at Wikipedia
2008-03-16 02:49 < Warpath> AdamBishop, no fisting allowed !! :P
2008-03-16 02:51 < Ceiling_Cat> oh snap
2008-03-16 02:53 * AdamBishop is sure Raul has something to do with WP:FA's problems!
2008-03-16 02:53 * AdamBishop blames Raul
2008-03-16 02:53 * AdamBishop continues to talk in the third person
2008-03-16 02:53 * Charitwo climbs the Reichstag dressed as Spider-Man to get Cometstyles to run for RfA
2008-03-16 02:54 < Ceiling_Cat> don't blame Raul
2008-03-16 02:54 < Ceiling_Cat> he's not Canada
2008-03-16 02:54 < Fwblean> Erm... all the lyrics/text just disappeared entirely from my mp3 file. When I play it, I can hear all the instrumentals, but none of the actual singing. Any ideas?
2008-03-16 02:54 < Warpath> move along, not interested...yet
2008-03-16 02:54 < Charitwo> I'm not coming down!
2008-03-16 02:54 * SQLDb sings blame canada
2008-03-16 02:55 < AdamBishop> Fwblean, karaoke!
2008-03-16 02:55 < Charitwo> its all calvin's fault
2008-03-16 02:55 < Fwblean> ...
2008-03-16 02:55 < Calvin> huh? what's my fault??
2008-03-16 02:55 * Fwblean blames Calvin.
2008-03-16 02:55 < Ceiling_Cat> you know, Lir's recent comeback, re-banning, and subsequent argument thereof reminded me of something
2008-03-16 02:55 < Ceiling_Cat> there are people arguing 'oh, he's not so bad
2008-03-16 02:56 < Ceiling_Cat> well... I had forgotten this, but just to illustrate how much of a dick he really is
2008-03-16 02:56 < Ceiling_Cat> after I authored the arbcom decision banning him, he came back under a sockpuppet account and created an article on my advisor
2008-03-16 02:56 < Ceiling_Cat> the article was very libelous, and entirely made up
2008-03-16 02:56 < Ceiling_Cat> totally whole cloth
2008-03-16 02:56 < Ceiling_Cat> it's a good thing I caught it rather quickly
2008-03-16 02:57 < Fwblean> Ceiling_Cat: This is why we have a cabal. Stuff that has to be done and should be done just gets done.
2008-03-16 02:57 < AdamBishop> that's pretty funny
2008-03-16 02:57 < Calvin> Fwblean: what in the world is my fault??
2008-03-16 02:57 < AdamBishop> there is an article on one of my committee members for some reason. But not on my advisor
2008-03-16 02:57 < Fwblean> AdamBishop: What, Lir or my lyric-lacking mp3?
2008-03-16 02:57 < AdamBishop> which is pretty sad, because my advisor is awesome, he's like Indiana Jones
2008-03-16 02:57 < Fwblean> Calvin: The words disappeared from one of my songs.
2008-03-16 02:57 < AdamBishop> Fwblean, Lir I mean
2008-03-16 02:57 < nok_cat> who's your advisor?
2008-03-16 02:57 < Ceiling_Cat> AdamBishop - my advisor doesn't have an article, but my soon-to-be-boss does
2008-03-16 02:58 < Ceiling_Cat> ([[Thomas Sterling (computing)]])
2008-03-16 02:58 < Calvin> Fwblean: alibi- i just got on... can't be my fault
2008-03-16 02:58 < AdamBishop> I actually deleted the article on the other committee member, and no one noticed...
2008-03-16 02:58 < Fwblean> Calvin: Have you been playing around with the tubes lately?
2008-03-16 02:58 < AdamBishop> then I undeleted it...and no one noticed
2008-03-16 02:58 < Calvin> Fwblean: "tubes"?
2008-03-16 02:58 < Fwblean> I just randomly delete meaningless stubs. Nobody's got time to notice.
2008-03-16 02:58 < AdamBishop> then I edited it while not logged in
2008-03-16 02:58 < Fwblean> Calvin: Pipes, cables, whatever you want to call them.
2008-03-16 02:59 < Calvin> Fwblean: no.. i haven't
2008-03-16 02:59 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, looking back, I am amazed at the amount of patience Jimbo extended towards lir. I remember jimbo even came to a private chat with me to defend him to an extent.
2008-03-16 02:59 < Fwblean> ... how does the text just randomly disappear from a song?
2008-03-16 03:00 < Fwblean> This is not possible people! It's defying the laws of physics! They're taking control of our lives!
2008-03-16 03:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Cimon - we have too many troublemakers nowadays to extend any one of htem the kind of patience we used to
2008-03-16 03:00 < Ceiling_Cat> experience has shown that it's just not worth it
2008-03-16 03:01 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, I entirely agree.
2008-03-16 03:01 < cimon> Fortunately we are maturing, in spades.
2008-03-16 03:02 < Ceiling_Cat> speaking of which
2008-03-16 03:02 < cimon> even the episodes matter is now satisfactorily handled, after the arbcom initially wimped out...
2008-03-16 03:02 < Ceiling_Cat> is anyone here profecient enough with handling ISPs to write a guide for reporting abuse
2008-03-16 03:02 < AdamBishop> Arbcom recently banned PHG from editing the articlespace
2008-03-16 03:02 < Ceiling_Cat> specifically, Scibaby is slowly-but-surely getting (literally) millions of IPs blocked
2008-03-16 03:02 < AdamBishop> that was pretty ballsy
2008-03-16 03:03 < AdamBishop> I used to find Arbcom ridiculous and useless, but I guess it's nice when it goes my way :)
2008-03-16 03:03 < Ceiling_Cat> I think I've blocked over a dozen class B's now
2008-03-16 03:03 < Ceiling_Cat> thanks just to him
2008-03-16 03:03 < Ceiling_Cat> including a substantial part of spring PCS
2008-03-16 03:04 < AdamBishop> Daniel Brandt is the tallest brick minaret in the world
2008-03-16 03:04 < AdamBishop> haha, sorry. I just remembered that game
2008-03-16 03:04 < Ceiling_Cat> : )
2008-03-16 03:05 < Ceiling_Cat> the good 'ol days
2008-03-16 03:05 < cimon> AdamBishop, that is funny, btw, just a few hours ago, I was thinking "That belongs in a museum!" about one of my computers...
2008-03-16 03:05 < cimon> (riffing on Indiana Jones)
2008-03-16 03:07 < cimon> in fact I was actually considering shopping it on ebay, when that cliche popped into my head...
2008-03-16 03:09 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Von_Neumann%27s_inequality&diff=198572331&oldid=198086812
2008-03-16 03:09 < Ceiling_Cat> I created that article
2008-03-16 03:09 < Ceiling_Cat> but those concepts are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over my head
2008-03-16 03:11 < cimon> heh, I just proofread a page of a book called "Turning and Boring" on DP
2008-03-16 03:12 < cimon> lots of nuts and screws involved...
2008-03-16 03:17 < cimon> NP (Now Proofing): The Adventures of Don Quixote
2008-03-16 03:21 < cimon> or rather: "The story of Don Quixote"
2008-03-16 03:21 < Ceiling_Cat> hrm
2008-03-16 03:22 < Ceiling_Cat> apparently whoever it is that is trolling David Shankbone has threatened him
2008-03-16 03:22 < Ceiling_Cat> (with physical violence)
2008-03-16 03:22 < Ceiling_Cat> specifically, at a lecture he's going to give at Columbia university
2008-03-16 03:24 < AdamBishop> is he going to shank him with his bone?
2008-03-16 03:24 < Ceiling_Cat> booooo
2008-03-16 03:25 < pengo> hi Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-16 03:26 < AdamBishop> thank you! You've been a wonderful audience! I'm here all week!
2008-03-16 03:27 * pengo throws a tomato
2008-03-16 03:29 * Ceiling_Cat throws cimon on a pogo stick
2008-03-16 03:29 * brown_cat snuggles pengo
2008-03-16 03:29 * Ceiling_Cat throws a brown_cat too
2008-03-16 03:29 < brown_cat> yay!
2008-03-16 03:29 < pengo> cat throws cat
2008-03-16 03:29 < pengo> cop shoot cop
2008-03-16 03:29 < brown_cat> spy v spy?
2008-03-16 03:29 < cimon> NP: Patty's Summer Days
2008-03-16 03:29 * brown_cat dresses up as jack sparrow
2008-03-16 03:30 < pengo> dog eat dog
2008-03-16 03:30 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.flickr.com/photos/junku/2042764443/in/set-303691/
2008-03-16 03:30 < Ceiling_Cat> it's a flying brown_cat
2008-03-16 03:31 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Not one step back]]!
2008-03-16 03:31 < brown_cat> :D
2008-03-16 03:32 < Mike_H> <caren> WICHITA, Kan. - Authorities are considering charges in the bizarre case of a woman who sat on her boyfriend's toilet for two years . so long that her body was stuck to the seat by the time the boyfriend finally called police.
2008-03-16 03:32 < Mike_H> Oh, sigh, what has this world come to
2008-03-16 03:33 < Ceiling_Cat> wtf?
2008-03-16 03:33 < Mike_H> <caren> Ness County Sheriff Bryan Whipple said it appeared the 35-year-old Ness City woman's skin had grown around the seat. She initially refused emergency medical services but was finally convinced by responders and her boyfriend that she needed to be checked out at a hospital.
2008-03-16 03:33 < Rinn> Fascinating.
2008-03-16 03:33 < pengo> You have new messages (last change)
2008-03-16 03:34 < AdamBishop> [[They shall not pass]]
2008-03-16 03:34 < AdamBishop> why is that French translation given when the actual French is on the poster
2008-03-16 03:34 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080312/ap_on_re_us/woman_in_bathroom
2008-03-16 03:34 < Mike_H> The boyfriend called police on Feb. 27 to report that "there was something wrong with his girlfriend," Whipple said, adding that he never explained why it took him two years to call.
2008-03-16 03:35 < Ceiling_Cat> wow
2008-03-16 03:35 < Ceiling_Cat> it boggles the mind
2008-03-16 03:35 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Agoraphobia]] is not something to be made fun of
2008-03-16 03:35 < AdamBishop> now the guy is being charged for abuse, isn't he?
2008-03-16 03:35 < AdamBishop> and aren't they both mentally slow somehow
2008-03-16 03:35 < Mike_H> He told investigators he brought his girlfriend food and water, and asked her every day to come out of the bathroom.
2008-03-16 03:36 < Mike_H> "And her reply would be, `Maybe tomorrow,'" Whipple said. "According to him, she did not want to leave the bathroom."
2008-03-16 03:36 < Mike_H> wow.
2008-03-16 03:36 < cimon> NP: Baseball Joe Around the World
2008-03-16 03:37 < Ceiling_Cat> WTF
2008-03-16 03:37 * Mike_H NP: Captain and Tennille - Love Will Keep Us Together (1975)
2008-03-16 03:37 < AdamBishop> I wonder how he went to the bathroom
2008-03-16 03:37 < Ceiling_Cat> William Gibson doesn't use the internet
2008-03-16 03:37 < AdamBishop> I hope they had two
2008-03-16 03:37 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: Maybe they had two bathrooms
2008-03-16 03:37 * Ceiling_Cat asplodes
2008-03-16 03:37 < Ceiling_Cat> that makes *NO SENSE*
2008-03-16 03:37 < Mike_H> Some boyfriend, though, just letting the chick sit on the pot for two years
2008-03-16 03:37 < Ceiling_Cat> "No, no, I don't. I don't have an e-mail address, I don't even have a modem. As much as I admire the Internet I suffer literally agoraphobia, which in it's original sense means a fear of the marketplace. I do not want to receive three hundred e-mail messages per week from strangers wanting to communicate with me. "
2008-03-16 03:38 < Ceiling_Cat> my brain hurts contemplating this new information
2008-03-16 03:39 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, that info is dated to 1995
2008-03-16 03:39 < Ceiling_Cat> In 2007 he said:
2008-03-16 03:39 < Ceiling_Cat> I have a 2005 PowerBook G4, a gig of memory, wireless router. That's it. I'm anything but an early adopter, generally. In fact, I've never really been very interested in computers themselves. I don't watch them; I watch how people behave around them. That's becoming more difficult to do because everything is "around them".[57]
2008-03-16 03:42 < pengo> Ceiling_Cat: yeah he wrote his books on typewriters and freaked out when his mac hummed because he expected computers to be silent
2008-03-16 03:42 < pengo> Ceiling_Cat: which is probably why his books are about drugs and sex more than new technology
2008-03-16 03:43 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, According to wikipedia, the Agora was originally purely a place of assembly, for the democratic, oligarchic or whatever government, and only began to serve as a marketplace later in greek history.
2008-03-16 03:43 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora
2008-03-16 03:45 < cimon> however, further down the article it states: "The word agoraphobia, the fear of critical public situations, derives from agora in its meaning as a marketplace."
2008-03-16 03:45 < pengo> does it mention toilet seats?
2008-03-16 03:45 < cimon> so in the sense of agoraphobia, marketplace indeed is what was referred to
2008-03-16 03:47 < cimon> "Agorism is an anarchist political philosophy founded by Samuel Edward Konkin III that holds the ultimate goal as bringing about a society in which all "relations between people are voluntary exchanges ? a free market."[1]. "
2008-03-16 03:47 < pengo> is there anything wikipedia doesn't know?
2008-03-16 03:47 * AdamBishop listens to Justin Timberlake - Dick in a Box
2008-03-16 03:48 < pengo> apart from anything about eye beam lasers
2008-03-16 03:48 < cimon> I knew Samuel Edward Konkin III. He used to throw the best libertarian room parties at Science Fiction conventions...
2008-03-16 03:48 < AdamBishop> yes, it doesn't know about The Chalk Circle by Li Xingdao
2008-03-16 03:48 < pengo> and gravity feed systems
2008-03-16 03:48 < pengo> and cement sheets
2008-03-16 03:48 < pengo> and solar geometry
2008-03-16 03:48 < pengo> and baking paper
2008-03-16 03:49 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism
2008-03-16 03:49 < pengo> and Leip Gony
2008-03-16 03:49 < pengo> and Hydrogasification
2008-03-16 03:50 < pengo> and nanocomposite paper
2008-03-16 03:50 < pengo> and biosequestration
2008-03-16 03:50 < pengo> apart from that, is there anything wikipedia doesn't know?
2008-03-16 03:54 < cimon> "Rohrabacher does not believe that the current global warming is manmade. During a congressional hearing on climate change on February 8, 2007, Rohrabacher joked that previous warming cycles may have been caused by carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere by "dinosaur flatulence.""
2008-03-16 03:55 < Werdna> Is it just me or is anybody else highly amused by this page?
2008-03-16 03:55 < Werdna> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Betacommand
2008-03-16 03:56 < AdamBishop> TL. DNR.
2008-03-16 03:57 < Werdna> ;)
2008-03-16 04:00 < Lubaf> WHOSE CUISINE WILL REIGN SUPREME?
2008-03-16 04:01 < cimon> Not finlands at any rate...
2008-03-16 04:01 < cimon> nor British
2008-03-16 04:01 < AdamBishop> kyu no te ma wa kure desu...Lubaf!
2008-03-16 04:01 < cimon> if you believe in Berlusconi, anyhow
2008-03-16 04:02 < Lubaf> Whose supreme will reign cuisine?
2008-03-16 04:03 < cimon> I forget which one was it that Berlusconi said had worse cooking, That English cooking was the only thing worse than Finnish cooking, or that finnish cooking was even worse than english cooking...
2008-03-16 04:03 < AdamBishop> I imagine Finnish cuisine involves a lot of reindeer meat
2008-03-16 04:03 < AdamBishop> and fish.
2008-03-16 04:04 < cimon> otoh he also said that Finlands Prime Minister ([[Matti Vanhanen]]) is the sexiest man in finland, which shows how much one should trust his evaluations...
2008-03-16 04:05 < cimon> infact, kindof reminds me of the Neil Cavuto line where he said Winston Churchill was sexy.
2008-03-16 04:13 < cimon> NP: The Loyalist
2008-03-16 04:16 < pengo> australia's deputy prime minister got sexist (or 2nd sexist?) woman
2008-03-16 04:19 < cimon> haha, I just came upon this tidbit in The Loyalist (the historical novel I am proofreading for Distributed Proofreaders - and don't say I am being disLoyal to Wikisource for helping Project Gutenberg; I know full well):
2008-03-16 04:19 < cimon> "He rallied the troops to another front and began
2008-03-16 04:19 < cimon> the attack anew, driving the British back a considerable
2008-03-16 04:19 < cimon> distance. Nightfall ended the battle, and when day
2008-03-16 04:19 < cimon> broke, Clinton had withdrawn."
2008-03-16 04:19 < cimon> reads quite timely, though that hasn't happened in our time yet.
2008-03-16 04:20 < pengo> i tried putting a book on wikisource hoping it would get proof read in the process
2008-03-16 04:20 < cimon> I bet they are talking about General George Clinton though...
2008-03-16 04:20 < cimon> Saw his gilded equestrian in D.C.
2008-03-16 04:50 < White_Cat> cimon for some reason I cant think of the first lady as leading the troops
2008-03-16 04:51 < cimon> well, at least not standing on a carrier with a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind her...
2008-03-16 04:51 < White_Cat> no
2008-03-16 04:51 < White_Cat> Bill Clinton would use a space station
2008-03-16 04:52 < cimon> uh, how do you figure?
2008-03-16 04:53 < White_Cat> cimon well
2008-03-16 04:53 < White_Cat> thats the only thing he can do to top bush
2008-03-16 04:53 < White_Cat> or
2008-03-16 04:53 < White_Cat> he could stand behind a hooker holding a mission accomplished sign
2008-03-16 04:54 < White_Cat> with his pants down
2008-03-16 04:59 * TheWeasel is puzzled
2008-03-16 05:00 < TheWeasel> some people announce being in the habit of the most ordinary habits and then go
2008-03-16 05:00 < TheWeasel> "cause these are Texas values"
2008-03-16 05:00 < TheWeasel> as if the rest of the world never holds the door open for other people
2008-03-16 05:00 < TheWeasel> *most ordinary virtues
2008-03-16 05:21 < Mike_H> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080315/ap_on_fe_st/odd_purse_snatcher_thwarted
2008-03-16 05:21 < Mike_H> SANTA FE, N.M. - An 83-year-old great-grandmother thwarted a would-be purse snatcher with a gas nozzle and an iron grip.
2008-03-16 05:35 < TheWeasel> "Map of Chernobyl (national park)"
2008-03-16 05:35 < TheWeasel> meh, human interest stories
2008-03-16 05:36 < Mike_H> DOHA, Qatar - Thousands of worshippers gathered Saturday for the consecration of Qatar's first Christian church, ending decades of underground worship in this Sunni Muslim and deeply conservative Persian Gulf nation.
2008-03-16 05:36 < Mike_H> Qatar isn't deeply conservative.
2008-03-16 05:37 < Mike_H> It's actually rather middle of the road.
2008-03-16 05:37 < Mike_H> It's not as liberal as the UAE
2008-03-16 05:37 < Mike_H> but not as conservative as Saudi Arabia.
2008-03-16 05:37 < TheWeasel> they sell beer.
2008-03-16 05:37 < TheWeasel> (sometimes)
2008-03-16 05:38 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-03-16 05:38 < Mike_H> yeah, and women are allowed to drive
2008-03-16 05:38 < Mike_H> and in the last ten years or so they can choose not to wear the hijab
2008-03-16 05:38 < Mike_H> and I think it was like six or eight years ago that women could vote in Qatar
2008-03-16 05:38 < Mike_H> it really could be worse.
2008-03-16 05:39 < Mike_H> Women are also allowed to attend university and can leave the country without permission from relatives
2008-03-16 05:39 < TheWeasel> I think some journalists like riding stereotypes.
2008-03-16 05:40 < TheWeasel> because it affords you more free time, articles get written much faster
2008-03-16 05:41 < TheWeasel> or maybe in order not to disturb readers' images
2008-03-16 05:48 < Warpath> O_O
2008-03-16 05:51 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_ROM#Floppy-ROM - awesome...
2008-03-16 05:51 < cimon> doesn't Al Jazeera come from Qatar?
2008-03-16 05:52 < Avdg> http://muidegent.myminicity.com/
2008-03-16 05:52 < bumm13> :p
2008-03-16 05:52 < cimon> And if Al Jazeera is conservative in islamic terms, I am the Queen of England.
2008-03-16 05:52 < Warpath> O_O
2008-03-16 05:52 < Warpath> bumm13, friend of yours? :P
2008-03-16 05:53 < bumm13> uh, no
2008-03-16 05:53 < domas> cimon: Hi, Liz!
2008-03-16 05:53 < Werdna> liz?
2008-03-16 05:53 < domas> Elisabeth :)
2008-03-16 05:53 < Werdna> ...
2008-03-16 05:53 < Warpath> ooh decs O_O
2008-03-16 05:53 < Warpath> devs*
2008-03-16 05:54 < Werdna> cimon isn't a guy?
2008-03-16 05:54 < domas> queen of england, goddamnit
2008-03-16 05:54 < Warpath> cimon, i thot you were a male ;)
2008-03-16 05:54 < Werdna> oh my bad
2008-03-16 05:54 < domas> or do they have other one now?
2008-03-16 05:54 < Werdna> I didn't read
2008-03-16 05:54 < Werdna> no, they have her still
2008-03-16 05:55 < Warpath> yeah Queen William :P
2008-03-16 05:55 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-03-16 05:55 < Mark_Ryan> hi there :)
2008-03-16 05:55 < Mark_Ryan> how's life in Sunny Washington?
2008-03-16 05:56 < bumm13> not sunny at all :P
2008-03-16 05:56 < cimon> "Daniel Meyer and Gary Kay of Southwest Technical Products arranged for Robert Uiterwyk to provide his 4K BASIC interpreter program for the 6800 microprocessor." - obviously not *our* Daniel Mayer.
2008-03-16 05:56 < Mark_Ryan> that's unfortunate
2008-03-16 05:56 < cimon> *Meyer
2008-03-16 05:56 < bumm13> actually, I think his last name *is* Mayer
2008-03-16 05:57 < bumm13> funny that you mention old computers, though....
2008-03-16 05:58 < bumm13> I've been looking at a lot of stuff related to that topic recently :)
2008-03-16 05:58 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unusual_types_of_gramophone_records#Unusual_holes - lol at the section heading...
2008-03-16 06:05 < cimon> bumm13, I've been thinking about whether one might be able to circumvent tempest technology by using old enough computers...
2008-03-16 06:05 < TheWeasel> map on here
2008-03-16 06:05 < TheWeasel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dillon_County%2C_SC
2008-03-16 06:05 < TheWeasel> looks dubious
2008-03-16 06:05 < TheWeasel> agreement is probably invalid
2008-03-16 06:06 < cimon> well, an abacus is probably not vulnerable to tempest, but you know what I mean.
2008-03-16 06:13 < Mike_H> BELVIDERE, IL?Hopes for a Midwest peace accord were dealt a severe blow Monday, when a bomb ripped through a toll booth on the I-90 Illinois Tollway. The attack, which killed six and delayed westbound traffic for hours, is believed to be the work of Iowa-based militant Lutheran extremists.
2008-03-16 06:14 < arcimboldo_> source?
2008-03-16 06:14 < TheWeasel> The Illinois army conducted airstrikes on Moline.
2008-03-16 06:14 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-16 06:14 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: Here's a picture of the wreckage
2008-03-16 06:15 < Mike_H> http://tinyurl.com/356nvb
2008-03-16 06:15 < TheWeasel> Not Moline
2008-03-16 06:15 < TheWeasel> the Iowa one
2008-03-16 06:15 < TheWeasel> grr
2008-03-16 06:16 < Mike_H> The explosion is the deadliest in the troubled region since Oct. 4, 1997, when a bomb went off in a crowded Kankakee flea market, killing 22.
2008-03-16 06:16 < morwen> why can't the people of the middle west just set aside their difference and live in peace
2008-03-16 06:16 < TheWeasel> Davenport/Bettendorf
2008-03-16 06:16 < Mike_H> The bombing, which reopened deep historical wounds in the unstable, strife-torn Midwest, sparked mass outrage and protest among Illinoisans.
2008-03-16 06:16 < TheWeasel> aka Iowa-Occupied Illinois
2008-03-16 06:17 < morwen> when you get right down to it, they have a lot in common - they all believe in eating pork, for example
2008-03-16 06:17 < Mike_H> The toll-booth bombing ended nearly three months of relative calm in the troubled Midwest region. On Aug. 20, South Dakota governor James Cleamons was assassinated by a Missouri Synod extremist during a speech at the Corn Palace.
2008-03-16 06:17 < Mike_H> The slaying touched off a 24-hour period of rioting, during which rival Wisconsin Synod, Episcopalian and Presbyterian factions clashed violently, leaving four dead and dozens injured.
2008-03-16 06:17 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-03-16 06:17 < Mike_H> oh, and I love this quote
2008-03-16 06:17 < Mike_H> about the toll booth bombing
2008-03-16 06:17 < Mike_H> "It was horrible," said New Yorker Jessica Habisch, who has lived in the Midwest for the past three years while working on a soybean farm near Cairo, IL. "There were bodies and quarters everywhere."
2008-03-16 06:18 < cimon> Mike_H, you'll love this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/spain-sends-kitsch-elvis-to-take-on-irish-rubber-turkey-at-eurovision-795015.html
2008-03-16 06:18 < Mike_H> cimon: I'll look in a second
2008-03-16 06:18 < Mike_H> "There was this massive explosion, and the next thing I knew, I was pinned underneath a 400-pound man in a Chicago Bears sweatshirt and matching sweatpants," said Sorensen, recovering in a nearby hospital. "The doctors say I'm lucky to be alive."
2008-03-16 06:18 < rasp1072> lucky you
2008-03-16 06:19 < TheWeasel> I say Illinois should spray Agent Orange in preparation of the Wisconsin invasion.
2008-03-16 06:19 < TheWeasel> so they can navigate the corn fields better
2008-03-16 06:19 < morwen> "the state of Illinois will not negotiate with tourists" hehe
2008-03-16 06:20 < Mike_H> WOODLAND HILLS, CA?Shape, the women's fitness magazine, has officially declared July "Let Yourself Go" Month. "You've toned those abs and burned the flab in time for bikini season... Now it's time for a meatball sandwich," wrote Shape editor-in-chief Barbara Harris in her 'From The Editor' column.
2008-03-16 06:20 < Mike_H> "Come on, live a little. Don't be a tight-ass with a tight ass. Eat, lounge, and slouch your way to a happier, more satisfied you." Features in the issue include "Girth Equals Mirth: Six Sure-Fire Techniques For Broadening That Belly," "Wrinkles: The More You Have, The More You've Lived," and "Reduce Unwanted Stress By Not Giving A Fuck."
2008-03-16 06:21 < Mike_H> God, I love The Onion
2008-03-16 06:21 < Mike_H> PICKETT, TN?The search for area fourth-grader Allison Means, who disappeared Friday evening, has entered its fourth boring day, volunteers and law-enforcement officials said Monday.
2008-03-16 06:21 < Mike_H> http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30005
2008-03-16 06:22 < Mike_H> "I've shown about 50 different people exactly where I saw Allison," Stelson said. "How many times can I point to the same stretch of dirt? It's like, what part of 'I think maybe she was wearing a red coat' don't you understand?"
2008-03-16 06:25 < TheWeasel> Barack Obama - Issues: Pro-hopes, also supports dreams
2008-03-16 06:27 * TheWeasel thought Diebold was pronounced "Deebold"
2008-03-16 06:59 < EmperorLOLZORZ> greetings
2008-03-16 06:59 < EmperorLOLZORZ> ?
2008-03-16 07:00 < EmperorLOLZORZ> i am member of the uncyclopedia
2008-03-16 07:01 < Kjoonlee> hi :)
2008-03-16 07:01 < bumm13> zomg roffle
2008-03-16 07:01 < Aqwis2> hello emissary, sir
2008-03-16 07:01 < EmperorLOLZORZ> am i wel come ?
2008-03-16 07:01 < Kjoonlee> Everybody who can contribute (or learn) is welcome. :)
2008-03-16 07:01 < EmperorLOLZORZ> sor ry about english i use mandarin
2008-03-16 07:02 < Aqwis2> i seriously doubt you do
2008-03-16 07:02 < Aqwis2> looking at your hostname
2008-03-16 07:02 < EmperorLOLZORZ> yes
2008-03-16 07:02 < EmperorLOLZORZ> canada now..
2008-03-16 07:02 < EmperorLOLZORZ> just return ed back
2008-03-16 07:03 < EmperorLOLZORZ> to pick sister up
2008-03-16 07:04 < EmperorLOLZORZ> if you donut belief i leav
2008-03-16 07:04 < EmperorLOLZORZ> bye bye byes
2008-03-16 07:05 < Aqwis2> yes please
2008-03-16 07:05 < EmperorLOLZORZ> why please
2008-03-16 07:06 < EmperorLOLZORZ> you donut like chinese rascist ?
2008-03-16 07:06 < EmperorLOLZORZ> .
2008-03-16 07:06 < EmperorLOLZORZ> jj lol
2008-03-16 07:06 < Aqwis2> yes
2008-03-16 07:06 < EmperorLOLZORZ> soory bai
2008-03-16 07:07 < Aqwis2> i donut like chinese
2008-03-16 07:07 < EmperorLOLZORZ> yeah bai
2008-03-16 07:07 < Aqwis2> bai
2008-03-16 07:07 < EmperorLOLZORZ> just be sure not to join the unyclopedia channel anytome soon k
2008-03-16 07:08 < NotASpy> why do people persist in saying "bai" when bye is equally easy to type ?
2008-03-16 07:09 < Werdna> because it's clever.
2008-03-16 07:09 < NotASpy> thinking it's clever and it being clever are two different things, though.
2008-03-16 07:10 < NotASpy> you have to wonder how some of these people expect to get a job outside of a fast food establishment when they refuse to use sensible English.
2008-03-16 07:11 < bumm13> they're called "trolls"
2008-03-16 07:39 * brown_cat waves to ShakespeareFan00
2008-03-16 07:39 < brown_cat> http://www.loopaustralia.com/ryanpaulashsarah.jpg <-- my friend making a move on my gf xD and then his gf sitting on my lap
2008-03-16 07:39 * brown_cat is on the left
2008-03-16 07:40 < arcimboldo_> you're all green monsters from Mars?
2008-03-16 07:41 < brown_cat> hahaha, it was night vision
2008-03-16 07:42 < Mark_Ryan> which one is you, brown_cat?
2008-03-16 07:42 < brown_cat> im on the left
2008-03-16 07:42 < Mark_Ryan> and what was your home address again?
2008-03-16 07:42 < Mark_Ryan> this is just for statistical IRC purposes
2008-03-16 07:42 < brown_cat> 23 allertonway booragoon 6154
2008-03-16 07:43 < brown_cat> perth, wa, australia
2008-03-16 07:43 < Mark_Ryan> oh, and your mother's credit card number
2008-03-16 07:43 < arcimboldo_> left of three people? or that unidentifiable fourth object to the left?
2008-03-16 07:43 < brown_cat> im not sure, i am at my dads house
2008-03-16 07:43 < brown_cat> on the left ash, right sarah and, paul
2008-03-16 07:43 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: it was at santa maria's hot autunm night
2008-03-16 07:43 < arcimboldo_> is that your dad sitting in the background?
2008-03-16 07:44 < brown_cat> arcimboldo_: on my lap?
2008-03-16 07:44 < arcimboldo_> ah, his gf ...
2008-03-16 07:45 < brown_cat> mhm
2008-03-16 07:45 < brown_cat> they jumped on us and just about squashed us O_o
2008-03-16 07:45 < brown_cat> omg
2008-03-16 07:46 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: our computing teacher's band played xD it was the best night ever
2008-03-16 07:46 < Mark_Ryan> that sounds very interesting, brown_cat
2008-03-16 07:47 < brown_cat> heehee
2008-03-16 07:48 < brown_cat> O_o the santa teacher isn't that bad, esp for a teacher www.loopaustralia.com/santateacher.png
2008-03-16 07:53 * brown_cat is goin to see the chaser live ^_^
2008-03-16 07:57 < ShakespeareFan00> When are the chasers going global?
2008-03-16 07:57 < Prentice> hm
2008-03-16 07:57 < brown_cat> ShakespeareFan00: when they begin recording their next series which is in about 4 months - they are currently touring aus doing live shows
2008-03-16 07:57 < brown_cat> or at least are about to
2008-03-16 07:57 < kjoonlee> What happened to good old WP:AGF?
2008-03-16 07:58 < Mark_Ryan> have you not heard of our latest policy change, kjoonlee? it's now WP:ABF
2008-03-16 07:58 < brown_cat> it went to WP:TRASH
2008-03-16 07:58 < kjoonlee> so it's OK to call people trolls now?
2008-03-16 07:59 * kjoonlee is pissed off
2008-03-16 08:00 < cimon> Mark_Ryan, Assume Better Faith?
2008-03-16 08:05 < White_Cat> cimon
2008-03-16 08:06 < White_Cat> Assume a Leep of Faith
2008-03-16 08:06 < cimon> Heh, I kneow the Leepers
2008-03-16 08:06 < White_Cat> AGF is the greatest Faith based initiative since the crusades
2008-03-16 08:06 < cimon> Evelyn Leeper
2008-03-16 08:06 * White_Cat quantum leaps
2008-03-16 08:07 * White_Cat quantum leaps cimon a bit
2008-03-16 08:07 < cimon> I wonder if wikipedia has an article on Evelyn Leeper
2008-03-16 08:07 < cimon> */me
2008-03-16 08:07 < White_Cat> [[Evelyn Leeper]]
2008-03-16 08:07 < arcimboldo_> quantum leap? that's less than a millionth of a millionth of a millimeter.
2008-03-16 08:07 < White_Cat> Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Evelyn Leeper in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.
2008-03-16 08:07 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_C._Leeper
2008-03-16 08:08 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn_C._Leeper
2008-03-16 08:08 < White_Cat> Evelyn C. Leeper is an American writer and critic. She is one of the judges of the Sidewise Award for Alternate History. She has been nominated for the Hugo Award for Best Fan Writer twelve times, losing on each occasion to David Langford.
2008-03-16 08:08 < cimon> but of course we do
2008-03-16 08:08 < cimon> how silly of me to even entertain the thought we might not.
2008-03-16 08:08 < cimon> For are we not truely the encyclopaedia that geeks built.
2008-03-16 08:08 < White_Cat> cimon I nominated it for deletion
2008-03-16 08:08 < cimon> Can I get an amen?
2008-03-16 08:09 < cimon> White_Cat, you what?
2008-03-16 08:09 < White_Cat> geekcruft
2008-03-16 08:09 < White_Cat> cimon I am kididng
2008-03-16 08:09 < White_Cat> dont panic :P
2008-03-16 08:09 < cimon> White_Cat, I guessed immediately you were kidding.
2008-03-16 08:09 < cimon> I know you better than that
2008-03-16 08:09 < White_Cat> oh
2008-03-16 08:09 * White_Cat feels praised
2008-03-16 08:09 < White_Cat> or was that not a praise?
2008-03-16 08:09 < White_Cat> O_o
2008-03-16 08:10 < cimon> twelve hugo nominations, espescially losing to David Lanford, make anyone inherently notable...
2008-03-16 08:10 < cimon> David Lanford btw likes wikipedia a whole lot.
2008-03-16 08:10 < White_Cat> cimon what are the odds of 3 people in a non-english speaking city to edit wikipedia?
2008-03-16 08:11 < cimon> 100% I would think
2008-03-16 08:11 < White_Cat> cimon come on
2008-03-16 08:11 < cimon> I know one such exists, thus it is 100%
2008-03-16 08:11 < White_Cat> do all 3 pursue the same person?
2008-03-16 08:12 < White_Cat> 2 out of 3 are already sanctioned :)
2008-03-16 08:12 < cimon> or do you mean for a given city?
2008-03-16 08:12 < White_Cat> yes
2008-03-16 08:12 < White_Cat> bali
2008-03-16 08:12 < cimon> hmm, the probability would be a function of population and internet penetration...
2008-03-16 08:12 < White_Cat> a “new” user from bali had been harassing me
2008-03-16 08:13 < White_Cat> just like the other “two” in the past 2 years
2008-03-16 08:13 < cimon> *Langford
2008-03-16 08:13 < cimon> ^^^^^
2008-03-16 08:14 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Langford
2008-03-16 08:15 < White_Cat> cimon see:
2008-03-16 08:15 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Jack_Merridew
2008-03-16 08:15 < White_Cat> not that you can help
2008-03-16 08:15 < White_Cat> after all arbcom will reject it
2008-03-16 08:15 < White_Cat> arbcom is rejecting every proposal
2008-03-16 08:15 < White_Cat> and they will soon close the only open case
2008-03-16 08:15 < cimon> also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:DeafMan
2008-03-16 08:16 < White_Cat> making it a first that Arbcom will be w/o an active case
2008-03-16 08:18 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disemvoweling - hehe'
2008-03-16 08:20 < White_Cat> arh
2008-03-16 08:20 < White_Cat> *argh
2008-03-16 08:20 < White_Cat> cimon who would stalk you as far as jimbo$Bc`QT(B talk page?
2008-03-16 08:20 < cimon> Don't know why you are talking to me about that. I am not involved with arbcom in any way.
2008-03-16 08:23 < Two1655> yo
2008-03-16 08:24 < White_Cat> cimon I know
2008-03-16 08:24 < White_Cat> I seek a sholder to cry on
2008-03-16 08:24 < White_Cat> you are the nearest sholder
2008-03-16 08:25 < cimon> that is way way way too long, not a chance in hell I will read that...
2008-03-16 08:25 < cimon> not to be rude, but that is a fact.
2008-03-16 08:25 < White_Cat> cimon just look at the graph
2008-03-16 08:25 < cimon> fugeddaboudit
2008-03-16 08:26 < White_Cat> its even colored
2008-03-16 08:26 < cimon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Jesus
2008-03-16 08:26 < cimon> hehe
2008-03-16 08:27 < cimon> that article title reminds me of that Alfred Jarry short story, what was it?
2008-03-16 08:28 < White_Cat> I havent heard of on Alfred Jarry...
2008-03-16 08:28 < White_Cat> Is it a pokemon?
2008-03-16 08:28 < cimon> The Passion Considered as an Uphill Bicycle Race
2008-03-16 08:28 < cimon> Very famous and often emulated short story.
2008-03-16 08:29 < Kjoonlee> White_Cat: do you read xkcd? ;)
2008-03-16 08:29 < White_Cat> on ocasions
2008-03-16 08:29 < White_Cat> when linked here
2008-03-16 08:30 < White_Cat> :P
2008-03-16 08:30 < Kjoonlee> White_Cat: http://xkcd.com/178/
2008-03-16 08:30 < Kjoonlee> White_Cat: IMHO it's more witty than condescending, though
2008-03-16 08:30 < White_Cat> :P
2008-03-16 08:31 < Kjoonlee> White_Cat: that was meant as a complement to you :)
2008-03-16 08:34 < White_Cat> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/03/12
2008-03-16 08:34 < White_Cat> My kind of court
2008-03-16 08:35 < White_Cat> cimon what do you do
2008-03-16 08:35 < White_Cat> aside from dealing with wikipedia?
2008-03-16 08:35 < Warpath> he is an inactive crat :P
2008-03-16 08:39 < mexicanbanana> What is a virtual world that doesn't suck ass where there is some chance of making a living? Second Life, WoW and Entropia Universe are all out of the question. I want to experience like a simulated young USA.
2008-03-16 08:40 < Two1655|Yar> I'll make it myself and call it "High World"....
2008-03-16 08:40 < mexicanbanana> Huh?
2008-03-16 08:41 < Two1655|Yar> eh, bad joke
2008-03-16 08:41 < mexicanbanana> ...
2008-03-16 08:41 < mexicanbanana> Got any good advice instead of bad jokes?
2008-03-16 08:42 < Two1655|Yar> mmmm
2008-03-16 08:43 < mexicanbanana> Real life isn't working out. There is no land left to buy. No gold to dig up. Nothing more to invent.
2008-03-16 08:44 < Two1655|Yar> No-one's invented robotic toothpaste caps
2008-03-16 08:44 < Two1655|Yar> Although that really doesn't help anything
2008-03-16 08:44 < mexicanbanana> ?
2008-03-16 08:44 < mexicanbanana> Is it entirely fucking impossible for people to ever have a serious conversation about anything?
2008-03-16 08:45 < Two1655|Yar> you start one then
2008-03-16 08:45 < mexicanbanana> I tried to, but you ruined it.
2008-03-16 08:45 < Two1655|Yar> try again
2008-03-16 08:45 < Two1655|Yar> new subject
2008-03-16 08:46 < mexicanbanana> ...
2008-03-16 08:46 < mexicanbanana> What is a virtual world that doesn't suck ass where there is some chance of making a living? Second Life, WoW and Entropia Universe are all out of the question. I want to experience like a simulated young USA. How can there not be something like this out there?
2008-03-16 08:46 < Two1655|Yar> fine, old subject
2008-03-16 08:46 < Two1655|Yar> Um...
2008-03-16 08:46 < Kjoonlee> mexicanbanana: maybe you should ask at WP:RD/C
2008-03-16 08:47 < Kjoonlee> mexicanbanana: or WP:RD/E
2008-03-16 08:48 < mexicanbanana> It's not entertainment...
2008-03-16 08:49 < mexicanbanana> Asked. Likely won't get any replies...
2008-03-16 08:53 < zocky> mexicanbanana, join NASA and go to mars
2008-03-16 08:53 < zocky> lots of virgin lands, no natives
2008-03-16 08:54 * TheWeasel joins the Blame China First, America Second crowd
2008-03-16 08:54 < mexicanbanana> ...
2008-03-16 08:55 < TheWeasel> I think the young USA is romanticized as all "new frontiers" are
2008-03-16 08:55 < zocky> TheWeasel, much more than other examples, I think
2008-03-16 08:56 < TheWeasel> hard to judge
2008-03-16 08:57 < zocky> TheWeasel, australians and new zealanders are practically ashamed of taking the land from the natives
2008-03-16 08:57 < zocky> (not that they would give it back)
2008-03-16 08:57 < TheWeasel> it's not just that
2008-03-16 08:57 < TheWeasel> it's the whole "independent spirit in an untamed wilderness" thing
2008-03-16 08:57 < TheWeasel> which is actually not very glamorous at all
2008-03-16 08:58 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-03-16 08:58 < zocky> ah, that's just your standard romantic/hippie nomad worship
2008-03-16 08:58 < bumm13> hippie?
2008-03-16 08:58 < TheWeasel> I think it's distinctly "libertarian"
2008-03-16 08:58 < TheWeasel> including the whole overrating of loneliness
2008-03-16 08:58 < bumm13> Grizzly Adams!
2008-03-16 08:59 < bumm13> it certainly wasn't glamorous for the pioneers that died trying to make it into Oregon Territory
2008-03-16 08:59 < TheWeasel> diseases etc.
2008-03-16 08:59 < zocky> bumm13, see, grizzly adams is a product of hippie mentality
2008-03-16 08:59 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-03-16 08:59 < bumm13> not sure how exactly
2008-03-16 08:59 < bumm13> did he drop acid?
2008-03-16 09:00 < zocky> no, he was in tune with the nature
2008-03-16 09:00 < zocky> and the plants, and the animals, and the indians, and whatnot
2008-03-16 09:00 < zocky> he was a total flower power hero
2008-03-16 09:00 < bumm13> nevermind that hippies got that part of their mindset from Native American mysticism
2008-03-16 09:00 < TheWeasel> I also don't think the character that type of living builds is transferrable to other modes of life
2008-03-16 09:00 < bumm13> I seriously doubt he was
2008-03-16 09:01 < TheWeasel> No, Michael Savage is the idol of modern hippies.
2008-03-16 09:01 < TheWeasel> Living in San Francisco, herbal meds and all.
2008-03-16 09:01 < TheWeasel> Not to mention, you know, gentle character
2008-03-16 09:02 < zocky> grizzly adams is definitely a product of the "nature good, people bad" line of thinking
2008-03-16 09:02 < bumm13> it's not like trappers didn't really live in the greater U.S./Canadian West by themselves or anything
2008-03-16 09:02 < Messedrocker> what about steve jobs
2008-03-16 09:02 < Messedrocker> commander steve
2008-03-16 09:02 < Messedrocker> of the hippie cult
2008-03-16 09:02 < TheWeasel> civilization-hating has been a hallmark of many movements I guess.
2008-03-16 09:02 < bumm13> zocky: Grizzly Adams had a Native friend named Tacoma ;)
2008-03-16 09:02 < bumm13> (on TV)
2008-03-16 09:03 < TheWeasel> but then there is an extreme opposite which is also weird
2008-03-16 09:03 < zocky> bumm13 ah, but he was a gentle savage
2008-03-16 09:03 < zocky> which stereotype is a part of the same mentality
2008-03-16 09:03 < TheWeasel> the "you are either a perfectly ordinary centrist or immature" line of thought
2008-03-16 09:03 < bumm13> MessedRocker: Jobs' main influence is post-60s communalism and interest in Indian spiritualism
2008-03-16 09:04 < zocky> TheWeasel, yeah, it's infuriating when the only opposition to the suits are the energetics and vice-versa
2008-03-16 09:05 < TheWeasel> I see that a lot in "common sense conservatives"
2008-03-16 09:05 < bumm13> to me, "hippie" kind of has to include communal and "free love" influences, not just some sort of hermeticism
2008-03-16 09:05 < TheWeasel> which led to my disdain of what is termed "common sense"
2008-03-16 09:05 < TheWeasel> and people who throw it around
2008-03-16 09:05 < TheWeasel> it's a fairly unipolar word
2008-03-16 09:06 < zocky> "common" is the part of "common sense" that is the problem
2008-03-16 09:06 < zocky> it really means "ordinary" but plenty people think it means "communal"
2008-03-16 09:06 < TheWeasel> Hippiedom is a continuation of Amishness with different means.
2008-03-16 09:07 < TheWeasel> it means "my opinion, which should be yours as well"
2008-03-16 09:07 < zocky> TheWeasel, what's the german word for common sense?
2008-03-16 09:07 < TheWeasel> people moved the political center of the US right just by alleging that right-wing "values" are the "values" of Regular Folks (tm)
2008-03-16 09:08 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-03-16 09:08 < TheWeasel> "gesunder Menschenverstand"
2008-03-16 09:08 < zocky> "healthy"
2008-03-16 09:08 < TheWeasel> "healthy visceral cognition"
2008-03-16 09:08 < zocky> we have the same idiom
2008-03-16 09:08 < TheWeasel> or something
2008-03-16 09:09 < TheWeasel> Menschen- here probably meaning "practical"
2008-03-16 09:09 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-03-16 09:09 < zocky> it implies straightforwardness here, not necessarily correctness
2008-03-16 09:10 < TheWeasel> it implies that abstract correctness is not "truthiness"
2008-03-16 09:10 < TheWeasel> and by extension useless
2008-03-16 09:10 < TheWeasel> plain anti-intellectualism
2008-03-16 09:11 < TheWeasel> the problem of people in charge not doing The Right Thing (tm)
2008-03-16 09:11 < zocky> "that is healthy sense, but..." is a common type of sentence in discussions here
2008-03-16 09:11 < TheWeasel> failing to understand that it's the laws that are the problem, not people executing it
2008-03-16 09:11 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-03-16 09:11 < arcimboldo_> "gesundes Volksempfinden" was worse though ...
2008-03-16 09:11 < zocky> i.e. "that's the obvious solution, but there are non-obvious complications"
2008-03-16 09:11 < TheWeasel> arcimboldo_: Especially as an argument in law
2008-03-16 09:11 < TheWeasel> to fill so called Ermessensspielräume
2008-03-16 09:12 < TheWeasel> "range of possibilities open to discretion"
2008-03-16 09:12 < TheWeasel> and the discretion to be filled with "what the people would think is right"
2008-03-16 09:13 < cimon> TheWeasel, one problem is there is nobody in charge so trying to get accountability is largely a tail chasing excercise...