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2008-03-15 05:44 < Mike_H> :o
2008-03-15 05:44 < Mike_H> bumm13: Cliff Richard had five Top 20 singles in the US
2008-03-15 05:44 < Mike_H> between 1976 and 1981
2008-03-15 05:44 < bumm13> ah
2008-03-15 05:45 < Mike_H> he had some more staying power on the Adult Contemporary charts, through the mid-1980s
2008-03-15 05:45 < bumm13> I see
2008-03-15 05:45 < Mike_H> In the UK he's known for this really long career in music
2008-03-15 05:45 < bumm13> yeah
2008-03-15 05:45 < Mike_H> and in the US he's basically known for the two songs I just played
2008-03-15 05:45 < bumm13> :)
2008-03-15 05:45 < Mike_H> and even then people are like "oh, who's that"
2008-03-15 05:46 < bumm13> yeah :x
2008-03-15 05:47 < Mike_H> bumm13: do you know how We Don't Talk Anymore sounds?
2008-03-15 05:47 < Mike_H> I think you'll recognize the sound of the song once you hear it, it's one of those ones where you know what it sounds like but never the lyrics or who did it
2008-03-15 05:47 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrLgdmrFaeU
2008-03-15 05:48 < Mike_H> for me it was the bridge
2008-03-15 05:48 < Mike_H> and the chorus
2008-03-15 05:51 < bumm13> heh, nice dry ice steam
2008-03-15 05:53 < bumm13> I don't really recognize the song
2008-03-15 05:54 < bumm13> who the heck that guy at the end of the clip?
2008-03-15 05:55 < bumm13> *is that
2008-03-15 06:09 < yao_ziyuan> tibet today
2008-03-15 06:09 < yao_ziyuan> is really hilarious!
2008-03-15 06:09 < yao_ziyuan> i guess the name hillary is connected to hilarious
2008-03-15 06:10 < yao_ziyuan> china the sleeping beauty finally becomes fast-moving this year
2008-03-15 06:37 < bumm13> hiya morwen
2008-03-15 06:39 < mexicanbanana> Wait... what? What is a "lunch period" (in the context of being on a school ID card)?
2008-03-15 06:39 < morwen> some schools have timetables such that different groups of students have different lunch breaks
2008-03-15 06:40 < mexicanbanana> Hmm... I see.
2008-03-15 06:40 < morwen> putting that on the id card would allow staff to tell which students are legitimately on lunch and which are skiving
2008-03-15 06:40 < mexicanbanana> And this has to be printed permanently on the ID card?
2008-03-15 06:40 < bumm13> my high school (ages 14½-18 roughly) had two lunch periods
2008-03-15 06:41 < mexicanbanana> (What kind of school has ID cards for its students anyway?)
2008-03-15 06:41 < mexicanbanana> Hmm... USA schools are funny. You have schools with ages 14-18...
2008-03-15 06:42 < mexicanbanana> That must lead to a lot of bullying of younger kids by older ones and also a lot of "temptations" from jailbaits.
2008-03-15 06:42 < mexicanbanana> I am just amazed by the year span.
2008-03-15 06:43 < mexicanbanana> Some schools around here do year 1-9, though. That is also insane.
2008-03-15 06:43 < morwen> mexicanbanana: how many years do schools there cover?
2008-03-15 06:44 < morwen> in teh uk there are schools that do 5-11 and 11-18
2008-03-15 06:44 < arcimboldo_> My school was doing ages 10-19
2008-03-15 06:45 < morwen> (most schools do 11-16 though, and then there are separate sixth form colleges for 16-18)
2008-03-15 06:45 < bumm13> interesting
2008-03-15 06:46 < morwen> and then there are regions of the country that do 5-9/9-13/13-(16,18)
2008-03-15 06:46 < bumm13> geez
2008-03-15 06:46 < mexicanbanana> morwen: Age 7/6 (year 1) to age ~18 (year 12).
2008-03-15 06:46 < mexicanbanana> 1-6, 7-9, 10-12 usually.
2008-03-15 06:47 < morwen> and all that in a country with a centralised government
2008-03-15 06:47 < bumm13> larger U.S. school districts usually have four school that one attends
2008-03-15 06:47 < mexicanbanana> Now they seem to have started with 1-5, 6-9, 10-12.
2008-03-15 06:47 < bumm13> smaller ones make due with two or three
2008-03-15 06:47 < morwen> elementary school, grade school, junior high, high school?
2008-03-15 06:47 < mexicanbanana> They cannot really be translated like that :S
2008-03-15 06:47 < bumm13> well, elementary/grade school is one and the same here
2008-03-15 06:48 < morwen> ah
2008-03-15 06:48 < bumm13> just different schools sometimes ;)
2008-03-15 06:48 < morwen> bumm13: what is the 4th called then?
2008-03-15 06:48 < bumm13> my hometown has five schools, but could easily just have four
2008-03-15 06:49 < bumm13> (the first two elementary schools only house two grade levels and are older buildings)
2008-03-15 06:50 < bumm13> the third school is ages 10-11, the fourth ages 12-14, the fifth (high school) 15-18
2008-03-15 06:50 < morwen> bumm13: is there a pyramid arrangement, where the schools for younger children cover smaller area and have less pupils?
2008-03-15 06:50 < bumm13> yes, in larger cities
2008-03-15 06:50 < mexicanbanana> This explains why in Freaks & Geeks, the guy and his older sister both went to the same school. That always confused me.
2008-03-15 06:51 < bumm13> my hometown didn't have that but the larger adjacent city did
2008-03-15 06:51 < mexicanbanana> I can just imagine how scared shitless I would be as a 14-year-old for 18-year-old guys in the same school...
2008-03-15 06:51 < bumm13> (larger only being about 15,000 population)
2008-03-15 06:51 < mexicanbanana> Even the 15-year-olds were scary to me back then.
2008-03-15 06:52 < morwen> in the uk, the only kids of 17/18 who are at school are those who specifically opted in
2008-03-15 06:52 < morwen> so they are the people who want to be learning
2008-03-15 06:52 < bumm13> heh, I see
2008-03-15 06:52 < morwen> these are people who do not get their kicks from bullying 11 year olds
2008-03-15 06:52 < mexicanbanana> Hmm...
2008-03-15 06:53 < bumm13> in the U.S., kids can drop out at the age of 16 if they really want to
2008-03-15 06:53 < bumm13> I see
2008-03-15 06:53 < mexicanbanana> The "freaks" in Freaks & Geeks most DEFINITELY didn't wanna learn!
2008-03-15 06:53 < morwen> there was an amazing difference when i went from secondary school (compulsory) to sixth form college (optional). i wasn't getting bullied by my peer group! it was so astonishing i couldn't quite believe it.
2008-03-15 06:54 < bumm13> yeah
2008-03-15 06:55 < bumm13> I have two cousins who dropped out of high school
2008-03-15 06:55 < bumm13> (one at 16)
2008-03-15 06:55 < bumm13> the other one was really a fool because he only had a few classes to finish up to graduate
2008-03-15 06:56 < bumm13> he's a loser now ;p
2008-03-15 07:00 < mexicanbanana> Is senorita and senorina the same thing? Can somebody explain the difference?
2008-03-15 07:00 < Aqwis> is it not like madame and madamoiselle?
2008-03-15 07:00 < mexicanbanana> I don't get those either ;)
2008-03-15 07:00 < Aqwis> married woman vs unmarried/younger woman i think
2008-03-15 07:01 < bumm13> hiya zocky
2008-03-15 07:02 < zocky> hi
2008-03-15 07:03 < arcimboldo_> "Signorina" is Italian and Senorita (with a Tilde over the n) Spanisch.
2008-03-15 07:03 < bumm13> *sh ;)
2008-03-15 07:07 < mexicanbanana> Hmm...
2008-03-15 07:24 < zocky> <<Top Blair aide: we must talk to al-Qaida>>
2008-03-15 07:25 < zocky> oh great, we don't talk to saddam, we don't talk to iran, we don't talk to hamas, we don't talk to hizbullah, but we can talk to al-qaida
2008-03-15 07:29 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> HELP
2008-03-15 07:30 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> I tried to delete "Trillionaire" but then it broke
2008-03-15 07:30 < dungodung> what?
2008-03-15 07:30 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> The page is bugged
2008-03-15 07:30 < dungodung> don't delete stuff
2008-03-15 07:30 < cimon> zocky: talk costs nothing, as long as nobody can prove you have talked with someone. but of course the latter can be difficult to arrange...
2008-03-15 07:30 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> It was deleted previously I guess, so after I put the AFD tag on it and tried to go to the preloaded debate, uh, I couldn't follow the rest of the steps
2008-03-15 07:31 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> It needs admin attention I guess
2008-03-15 07:31 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> It's History shows that it has an outdated deletion template I think
2008-03-15 07:31 < zocky> cimon, I agree, but of all the people "we" don't talk to, al-qaeda are the ones that are least likely to be influenced by talks
2008-03-15 07:32 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> Can someone fix Trillionaire, I don't know what to do
2008-03-15 07:32 < cimon> zocky: I dunno, they at least have a semi coherent agenda of what they want to happen. Harder to talk to somebody who doesn't even have a position that is semi-fixed.
2008-03-15 07:32 < Warpath> its not broken
2008-03-15 07:33 < Warpath> it will be deleted anywayz
2008-03-15 07:33 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> If you click on debate you'll see that it's already deleted, and the debate is over - 3 years ago. Yet the article is there
2008-03-15 07:33 < Warpath> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Trillionaire
2008-03-15 07:33 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> thats 3 years old
2008-03-15 07:33 < Warpath> yewah an admin recreated it
2008-03-15 07:33 < Warpath> now that admin is gone :(
2008-03-15 07:37 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> oh i no
2008-03-15 07:37 < PRINCESS_FLUFF> i put speeedy delete on it, that'll bring it to an admin's attention
2008-03-15 08:01 < PS11> hello
2008-03-15 08:05 < bumm13> hi
2008-03-15 08:36 < JessicaTaylor> Bye everyone, time for me to sleep
2008-03-15 08:45 < ShakespeareFan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_in_the_Closet_%28South_Park%29 Which idiot decided to put this on the front page?
2008-03-15 08:51 < NotASpy> it could have been worse. It could have been put up on the main page on Thursday
2008-03-15 08:52 < ShakespeareFan00> ?
2008-03-15 08:52 < ShakespeareFan00> What s bad about thursday?
2008-03-15 08:52 < arcimboldo_> Haha, yes, what a good proof of Wikipedia's ability to react quickly to current events.
2008-03-15 08:54 < morwen> thursday was L. Ron's actual birthday
2008-03-15 08:55 * morwen is amused
2008-03-15 08:56 * arcimboldo_ was thinking more about the woman who became glued to her toilet seat.
2008-03-15 08:57 < brown_cat> best party ever :D
2008-03-15 08:57 * brown_cat facehuggles ShakespeareFan00
2008-03-15 08:57 < arcimboldo_> http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Attendees#Surely_not_.280.25.29 - that list is not yet complete.
2008-03-15 09:00 < TheWeasel> hehe
2008-03-15 09:00 * brown_cat dances with TheWeasel
2008-03-15 09:02 < TheWeasel> Thursdays.
2008-03-15 09:02 < TheWeasel> I never could get the hang of Thursdays.
2008-03-15 09:03 < Stormscape> Hello Mister Dent.
2008-03-15 09:03 < Stormscape> =P
2008-03-15 09:03 * faroframkallande is annoyed because he wants an actually relevant TV FA on the main page in 3 weeks time
2008-03-15 09:05 < brown_cat> y?
2008-03-15 09:05 < boneT_> Hello
2008-03-15 09:05 < boneT_> please check this
2008-03-15 09:05 < boneT_> http://google.com/search?q=site:en.wikipedia.org+"Cite+Error"
2008-03-15 09:06 < boneT_> it uses google to search wikpedia for articles containing errors
2008-03-15 09:08 < boneT_> anyone?
2008-03-15 09:08 < Stormscape> I got the tune of a song stuck in my head
2008-03-15 09:08 < Stormscape> but I don't know the song
2008-03-15 09:08 < Stormscape> I can't even describe the tune
2008-03-15 09:09 < TheWeasel> Oh, I know that song :-P
2008-03-15 09:09 < boneT_> :/
2008-03-15 09:09 < Stormscape> Happens to you all the time too, huh?
2008-03-15 09:09 < boneT_> nobody cares?
2008-03-15 09:09 < Stormscape> I heard about a minute of it on the radio at work, couldn't even hear any of the lyrics
2008-03-15 09:09 < Stormscape> buddy was mumbling too much
2008-03-15 09:10 < Stormscape> if I knew even one line of the lyrics, I could probably find the name.
2008-03-15 09:10 < boneT_> :/
2008-03-15 09:11 < boneT_> fine, so you don't care?
2008-03-15 09:12 < boneT_> wtf
2008-03-15 09:12 < boneT_> can you even read what I'm saying
2008-03-15 09:13 < TheWeasel> it's not precisely groundbreaking, but fair enough
2008-03-15 09:13 < Stormscape> Nobody cares what you're typing.
2008-03-15 09:13 < boneT_> oh well
2008-03-15 09:13 < boneT_> that's all.. bye
2008-03-15 09:14 < NotACow> DEATH!
2008-03-15 09:15 < TheWeasel> what was that?
2008-03-15 09:15 < Stormscape> To all those who oppose me
2008-03-15 09:17 < faroframkallande> NotACow: LIFE!
2008-03-15 09:20 < NotACow> DEADLY LIFE
2008-03-15 09:20 < NotACow> good morning Doc_glasgow
2008-03-15 09:20 < Doc_glasgow> hi
2008-03-15 09:21 < TheWeasel> LIVELY DEATH
2008-03-15 09:21 < brown_cat> ShakespeareFan00: you know what i find amusing about aussie/us law?
2008-03-15 09:21 < faroframkallande> morning Nurse Edinburgh :p
2008-03-15 09:22 < NotASpy> hmm, you're not a real doctor are you ? - No, I'm a baker. (from an advert on the TV at the moment)
2008-03-15 09:22 < brown_cat> ShakespeareFan00: australians legally have no rights yet in reality, we have more! xD
2008-03-15 09:25 < NotACow> i'm not a terrorist, but i play one on wikipedia
2008-03-15 09:26 < faroframkallande> NotASpy: what's that ad for?
2008-03-15 09:26 < faroframkallande> I've seen it, but forgot where it's from
2008-03-15 09:26 * TheWeasel reads the quaint word "Verschnaufspause"
2008-03-15 09:26 < faroframkallande> or what it's for
2008-03-15 09:26 < NotASpy> faroframkallande: the Nutri-grain bars advert
2008-03-15 09:26 < faroframkallande> ah
2008-03-15 09:30 < faroframkallande> look at what we've got
2008-03-15 09:30 < faroframkallande> tinker
2008-03-15 09:30 < faroframkallande> tailor
2008-03-15 09:30 < faroframkallande> soldier
2008-03-15 09:30 < faroframkallande> twat
2008-03-15 09:30 < NotASpy> notaspy
2008-03-15 09:30 < NotASpy> whaaaa ?
2008-03-15 09:37 < faroframkallande> [[Talk:Rachel_Marsden#Fixed_entry_for_sex]]
2008-03-15 09:37 < faroframkallande> haha, I know from experience
2008-03-15 09:38 < faroframkallande> does Marsden have a fuckbuddy in Toronto?
2008-03-15 09:38 < faroframkallande> or is she living there?
2008-03-15 09:38 < faroframkallande> or something
2008-03-15 09:42 < NotASpy> who knows. I'm very much past caring with that case.
2008-03-15 09:43 < TheWeasel> Ditto, but P.S.: the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.
2008-03-15 09:47 < Jihoon> is it possible for requesting for oversight where one doesn't want others to see that he or she was banned?
2008-03-15 09:50 < Jihoon> hello?
2008-03-15 09:51 < aemp1rei> lol
2008-03-15 09:51 < Jihoon> > is it possible for requesting for oversight where one doesn't want others to see that he or she was banned?
2008-03-15 09:52 < pill> Jihoon: no, and that's not possible at all, since oversight users can't remove log entries.
2008-03-15 09:52 < Jihoon> is there somewhere where we can?
2008-03-15 09:54 < pill> it is possible in theory, but normally there's no chance it will be done. an exemption might be legal reasons, but that sounds unlikely in the case of a normal block.
2008-03-15 09:56 < NotASpy> Jihoon: there's always Right to Vanish. If behaviour on Wikipedia is having consequences in real life, we'll rename a user to something like "Anonymous User 12345".
2008-03-15 09:59 * TheWeasel gets an Error 500 from a MS webserver
2008-03-15 09:59 < TheWeasel> thats a novelty
2008-03-15 09:59 < TheWeasel> (not on WP)
2008-03-15 09:59 < Lycurgus> why do you think so?
2008-03-15 10:00 < Lycurgus> (if MS means Microsoft)
2008-03-15 10:00 < Lycurgus> (i.e IIS)
2008-03-15 10:00 < TheWeasel> Well, I've never gotten that one
2008-03-15 10:00 < Lycurgus> it's exceedingly common
2008-03-15 10:00 < TheWeasel> it's something like "server restarting"
2008-03-15 10:00 < Lycurgus> only 404 moreso
2008-03-15 10:01 < TheWeasel> it was a pretty extravagant server error
2008-03-15 10:01 < Lycurgus> HTTP error codes are standardized. IIS just handles them a little differently from Apache.
2008-03-15 10:02 < Lycurgus> the error codes are part of the protocol
2008-03-15 10:02 < Jonjonbt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Google.svg looks!
2008-03-15 10:02 < Lycurgus> all implementations give the same ones albeit with their own explanatory text
2008-03-15 10:04 < Lycurgus> since there are no infallible implmentations nor even any that perfectly analyze and give more specific errors, 500 is common on all of em
2008-03-15 10:15 < libertad> Bonjour
2008-03-15 10:15 < libertad> Wich's the better antivantalism tool?
2008-03-15 10:15 < Miranda> libertad: you have twinkle on .es
2008-03-15 10:16 < libertad> Miranda: ça va?
2008-03-15 10:16 < Miranda> libertad: err...venga al #wikipedia-es, por favor
2008-03-15 10:16 < libertad> Miranda: XD nmo
2008-03-15 10:17 < libertad> Miranda: I don´t want to be inner #wikipedia-es, because I don`t like dodowiki
2008-03-15 10:17 < Miranda> libertad: dodo wiki is not in there
2008-03-15 10:17 < libertad> Miranda: thanks
2008-03-15 10:18 < Lycurgus> I read that as doodoowiki at first
2008-03-15 10:25 < Lycurgus> in the Notable Relatives section of the article on Caesar, Antony is listed but so far as I can tell this is a complete fabrication.
2008-03-15 10:27 < Lycurgus> at least during the life of Caesar.
2008-03-15 10:28 < Lycurgus> he married Octavia but that was after Caesars death.
2008-03-15 10:29 < Lycurgus> guess that's what makes wp more of a truthy blog than a reliable reference
2008-03-15 10:37 < jerusalemboogie> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Drake+Bell&diff=198421436&oldid=198420648
2008-03-15 10:37 < jerusalemboogie> le sigh
2008-03-15 10:38 < jerusalemboogie> if you're going to call someone a whore
2008-03-15 10:38 < TheWeasel> "life in the municipality is dominated by the loclamental asylum"
2008-03-15 10:38 < jerusalemboogie> at least spell it correctly
2008-03-15 10:38 < TheWeasel> *local mental
2008-03-15 10:38 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-15 10:47 < Mole2> Hi folks. I just almost got a laugh from an article I am watching: [[Ralph Merkle]]
2008-03-15 10:48 < Mole2> He's a computer scientist and some one added a infobox and added "Ethnicity = Caucasian".
2008-03-15 10:48 < Mole2> I don't understand what ethnicity got anything to do with anything?
2008-03-15 10:48 < Mole2> Must be a very american thing.
2008-03-15 10:51 < J_Milburn> Mole2: Huge, huge edit wars start on the subject, mostly when they are of an Eastern European ethnicity
2008-03-15 10:51 < J_Milburn> See [[WP:LAME]]
2008-03-15 10:51 < Mole2> Really? Weird.
2008-03-15 10:53 < Mole2> J_Milburn: Oh, thanks for that link. Hilarious! :)
2008-03-15 10:55 < morwen> i bet he's not really from the caucases
2008-03-15 10:56 < Mole2> morwen: Yeah. He looks kind of German to me. :))
2008-03-15 10:56 < morwen> if we were georgian you'd expect his name to be spelled more like "Rlf Mrkl"
2008-03-15 10:56 < Mole2> Perhaps even Tyrol (alp) area. :)
2008-03-15 10:57 < morwen> *he
2008-03-15 10:57 < Mole2> HAha! Rlfc Mrklwtz ?
2008-03-15 10:57 < Mole2> Silly me. He not only looks German, his familky name "Merkle" sounds German too. :)
2008-03-15 10:58 < Mole2> Oh, and I was right about alp area, just now saw that his website says his "great grandfather emigrated from Switzerland".
2008-03-15 10:58 < Mole2> So I'll edit his ethnicity to "Swiss-American" ?
2008-03-15 11:01 < morwen> is that an ethnicity?
2008-03-15 11:01 < morwen> it is a pretty hilarious idea for an ethnicity
2008-03-15 11:01 < shimgray> J_Milburn: to be fair, the Balkan cases are pretty sui generis
2008-03-15 11:01 < shimgray> morwen: The Americans would call it one.
2008-03-15 11:01 < shimgray> just remove the line, "ethnicity" is silly
2008-03-15 11:01 < morwen> are there Belgian-Americans?
2008-03-15 11:01 < shimgray> Probably.
2008-03-15 11:01 < shimgray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_American
2008-03-15 11:02 < Mole2> shimgray: Yeah, that is what I actually was and is planning to do, simply remove the ethnicity.
2008-03-15 11:02 < shimgray> this American fetishisation of a nominal point of origin is faintly disturbing
2008-03-15 11:02 < morwen> so if your ancestors emigrated from brussels in 1837 you are not a belgian american, but if they emigrated in 1841 you are
2008-03-15 11:03 < Mole2> Well, I am guilty of often telling my own ethnicity, but more as a joke to show that I am somewhat mixe: Swedish-German-Polish-Beligan-Russian. :)
2008-03-15 11:03 < Mole2> morwen: Really, the americans have a time limit like that? Funny. :)
2008-03-15 11:03 < morwen> Mole2: read the article!
2008-03-15 11:03 < shimgray> Mole2: "mongrel" is a lovely word :-)
2008-03-15 11:04 * Mole2 goes reading.
2008-03-15 11:04 < shimgray> there was no Belgium before c.1840
2008-03-15 11:04 < Mole2> Haha, ok.
2008-03-15 11:04 < shimgray> (when we created it to piss off Prussia and France in equal measure. ah, diplomacy)
2008-03-15 11:04 < Mole2> "mongrel" ?
2008-03-15 11:04 < morwen> shimgray: did you not make it to the okcon then?
2008-03-15 11:04 < shimgray> Mole2: English term for a dog of no particular breed
2008-03-15 11:05 < shimgray> morwen: I woke up at six, carefully weighed my options, and decided fuck it and went back to bed!
2008-03-15 11:05 < Mole2> Ah ok. In Swedish we have a nice name for such dogs: "Street crossing". Since they often are "made" when dogs meet in the street. :)
2008-03-15 11:05 < shimgray> ha!
2008-03-15 11:05 < shimgray> did you try the galleries in the end?
2008-03-15 11:06 < Mole2> shimgray: Yeah, staying in bed sems to be a nice option.
2008-03-15 11:06 < morwen> nah
2008-03-15 11:06 < morwen> i made it to the shop and back
2008-03-15 11:06 < Mole2> What galleries?
2008-03-15 11:06 < Mole2> Or rather, I am curios what kind of galleries? That word can mean anything.
2008-03-15 11:07 < morwen> there is a specific exhibition at the barbican, consisting of various art as curated by hypothetical martians, which i didn't go to see
2008-03-15 11:07 * Mole2 imagines that morwen took a morning stroll among the paintings in his local art gallery area.
2008-03-15 11:07 < Mole2> Oh, it really was "gallery" as in art?
2008-03-15 11:08 * morwen is a she, by the way
2008-03-15 11:08 < morwen> ye
2008-03-15 11:08 < morwen> s
2008-03-15 11:08 < Mole2> Ah, ok.
2008-03-15 11:08 < Mole2> By the way, are there any modern English word for he/she that is gender neutral?
2008-03-15 11:09 < shimgray> They
2008-03-15 11:09 < Mole2> But "they" isn't that plural only?
2008-03-15 11:09 < shimgray> singular they is a perfectly legitimate word, whatever you may have been told :-)
2008-03-15 11:09 < Mole2> Really? Weird.
2008-03-15 11:09 < morwen> shimgray: it's funny how you rarely see people ranting about singular "you"
2008-03-15 11:10 < Cyrius> yeah, really!
2008-03-15 11:10 < Cyrius> what are we talking about
2008-03-15 11:10 < shimgray> yeah. sometimes it's clumsy, but most of the time, it's fine
2008-03-15 11:10 < Psilocybin> this article is screwed up and im not sure how to edit it since even the revisions look screwy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal
2008-03-15 11:10 < shimgray> it's certainly better than "he or she" most of the time
2008-03-15 11:10 < Mole2> Ah well, gender has not much to do with anything. In the homefront here in Sweden (kind of like the national guard) I used to train both boys and girls. It was interesting to compare. :)
2008-03-15 11:10 < Cyrius> Psilocybin: probably the template is hosed
2008-03-15 11:10 < Psilocybin> ahh
2008-03-15 11:11 * Cyrius looks
2008-03-15 11:11 < shimgray> Jane Austen uses singular "they" 75 times, and that's good enough justification for me!
2008-03-15 11:11 < Mole2> Yeah, if Jane Austen does it, then it must be right. :)
2008-03-15 11:11 < Cyrius> Psilocybin: yep. fixed now
2008-03-15 11:12 < Psilocybin> Cyrius : Thanks :)
2008-03-15 11:12 < morwen> shimgray: it's certainly enough evidence that it isn't a bloody neologism
2008-03-15 11:12 * Mole2 goes back to editing.
2008-03-15 11:12 < Cyrius> Psilocybin: if you can't tell what's broken in an article, start looking at the templates in it =)
2008-03-15 11:12 < morwen> that's what really annoys me about the grammar nazi's
2008-03-15 11:12 < Cyrius> nazis
2008-03-15 11:12 < morwen> "oh no, people are using this world and a new and wrong way"
2008-03-15 11:12 < morwen> NO THEY HAVE BEEN USING IT THAT WAY ALL ALONG YOU CRETIN
2008-03-15 11:13 < Psilocybin> Cyrius : ah k
2008-03-15 11:13 < Cyrius> apostrophe != "oh shit here comes an s"
2008-03-15 11:13 < Cyrius> =D
2008-03-15 11:13 < morwen> Cyrius: your one of the nazi's!
2008-03-15 11:13 < shimgray> singular they (or a variant) is also cited by the OED as used by Fielding, Bagehot, Ruskin, Richardson, Caxton, More, Shakespeare, Thackeray, Goldsmith & Bernard Shaw, to pick random names
2008-03-15 11:13 < Cyrius> morwen: I am.
2008-03-15 11:13 * morwen idly wonders if grammar-nazi's kill grammar-jew's
2008-03-15 11:13 < Cyrius> what would a grammar jew be?
2008-03-15 11:14 < morwen> you got me
2008-03-15 11:14 < shimgray> (earliest citation for singular their is sometime in the fourteenth century)
2008-03-15 11:14 < morwen> shimgray: and i'll bet it was in spoken usage before then
2008-03-15 11:14 < Cyrius> singular they just rubs me the wrong way, even if it's not wrong
2008-03-15 11:14 < Cyrius> it just seems clumsy
2008-03-15 11:14 < shimgray> Bath ware made sun and mon, Aiþer wit þer ouen light
2008-03-15 11:15 < shimgray> Cyrius: A lot of the potential uses for it *are* clumsy, but there's some where it's both natural and legit
2008-03-15 11:15 < shimgray> problem is, the alternatives are clumsy too
2008-03-15 11:15 < morwen> Cyrius: if it hadn't been for a teacher telling you it was wrong you probably wouldn't think it was out of the ordinary
2008-03-15 11:16 < shimgray> the ones who really get me are the people who whine about singular they and then promptly go on to use gender-neutral pronouns
2008-03-15 11:16 < shimgray> you know, the hideous neologistic ones. horrendous.
2008-03-15 11:18 < morwen> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/7298234.stm
2008-03-15 11:18 < morwen> "Staff at East Midlands Trains are to be given special [atomic] watches and new whistles to help keep services running on time."
2008-03-15 11:18 < morwen> "Atomic watches - accurate to the second - are being given to all 2,100 train staff to make sure services "are not even a few seconds late"."
2008-03-15 11:18 < morwen> fantastic
2008-03-15 11:18 < Cyrius> "to the second"
2008-03-15 11:19 < Cyrius> you don't need atomic clocks for that
2008-03-15 11:19 < morwen> hurrah for the atomic age!
2008-03-15 11:19 < Cyrius> and anyway, they're just picking up some radio signal
2008-03-15 11:19 < morwen> i saw an exciting suggestion the other day, which was NUCLEAR TRAINS
2008-03-15 11:19 < Cyrius> dunno where the UK would be broadcasting one from
2008-03-15 11:19 < morwen> rugby
2008-03-15 11:20 < morwen> apparently they looked into nuclear trains in the 1950s but discovered the shielding required would be too much to make it worthwhile doing
2008-03-15 11:20 < morwen> we can never have anything nice in this universe :(
2008-03-15 11:20 < Mole2> morwen: Oh, but we can! Look at the Internet and wikis. It seems to work very well. :)
2008-03-15 11:21 < shimgray> wouldn't it be more efficient to have electric trains and nuclear power plants?
2008-03-15 11:21 < Mole2> Nuclear train crashes seems like a scary thing. :(
2008-03-15 11:21 < morwen> shimgray: that requires OHLE
2008-03-15 11:21 < mavhc> heh, atomic watches, latest tech, and whistles
2008-03-15 11:21 < morwen> i wonder if they are atomic whistles
2008-03-15 11:22 < mavhc> east midlands trains should just try to get enough carriages so we aren't all squashed up
2008-03-15 11:22 < Cyrius> morwen: oh, you weren't kidding when you said 'rugby'
2008-03-15 11:22 < Mole2> shimgray: But electrifying the railway lines is not as cool as sending out nuclear trains on the lines instead, you know. :)
2008-03-15 11:22 < Cyrius> although it's not transmitted from there since April 1, 2007
2008-03-15 11:22 < Mole2> I think instead the britts should send their train workers for study visits in Germany to see why German trains are always on time.
2008-03-15 11:23 < mexicanbanana> Why is it "lolicon" and not "lolicom"?
2008-03-15 11:23 < Cyrius> because the japanese are weird
2008-03-15 11:23 < The359> why would we know?
2008-03-15 11:23 < mavhc> why are they always on time?
2008-03-15 11:23 < jerusalemboogie> because when people see lolicon they say "lol, icon"
2008-03-15 11:23 < The359> did you check the lolicon article, because I'm sure it'd explain it
2008-03-15 11:23 < aemp1rei> i heard that wikipedia refuses to allow an article on encyclopedia dramatica
2008-03-15 11:24 < aemp1rei> is this truwe
2008-03-15 11:24 < jerusalemboogie> !op
2008-03-15 11:24 < mexicanbanana> "Lolicon (ロリコン?), also romanized as rorikon, is a slang portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex""
2008-03-15 11:24 < morwen> Mole2: (a) they aren't, and (b) they do, and (c) the uk's rail infrastructure is fundamentally fucked as a result of being the first railway network in the world to be built, and therefore has a lot of mistakes
2008-03-15 11:24 < mexicanbanana> Even less logical.
2008-03-15 11:24 < mexicanbanana> coMics and coMplex.
2008-03-15 11:24 < mexicanbanana> I have no idea where the coN comes from.
2008-03-15 11:25 < jerusalemboogie> !op, kickban aemp1rei
2008-03-15 11:25 < Mole2> mavhc: I have no idea why German trains are always on time. But when I was "interrailing" as a teenager I noticed that the German trains always arrived on station one minute early and left one minute late. So the official stop times of 3 minutes really was 5. I guess that was on purpose to have some margin.
2008-03-15 11:25 < The359> what does comics and complex have to do with it?
2008-03-15 11:25 < mexicanbanana> It's drawn... comics...
2008-03-15 11:25 < Martinp23> jerusalemboogie: Just ignore him for now.
2008-03-15 11:25 < mexicanbanana> And complex because it is mentioned in the first sentence of the first pargraph.
2008-03-15 11:25 < The359> it can be animation
2008-03-15 11:25 < mexicanbanana> Why do you wanna ban aemp1rei?
2008-03-15 11:26 < Thehelpfulone2> jerusalemboogie: Ignore him until it gets less serious
2008-03-15 11:26 < jerusalemboogie> mexicanbanana: trolling the channel
2008-03-15 11:26 < Pilotguy> jerusalemboogie- Yes?
2008-03-15 11:26 < Thehelpfulone2> oh: Martinp23 you already stated that :P
2008-03-15 11:26 < Mole2> morwen: Yeah, I don't blame the brittish railway. They are running on old tracks and have problems buildiing new lines due to land laws over there, and their networks are overloaded.
2008-03-15 11:26 < jerusalemboogie> Pilotguy: aemp1rei's ED trolling the channel; we've kickbanned a lot in the past few days
2008-03-15 11:26 < NotASpy> Mole2: did you know, the big clock on the old North British Hotel above Edinburgh Waverley railway station is always set a couple of minutes fast, to hurry passengers along to the station.
2008-03-15 11:27 < Mole2> NotASpy: No, I didn't know. That's a funny fact! :))
2008-03-15 11:27 < The359> simmer down jerusalemboogie
2008-03-15 11:27 < morwen> Mole2: it looks like we might be building our first proper LGV sometime in the next 20 years
2008-03-15 11:27 < Thehelpfulone2> Pilotguy/NotASpy/Martinp23: is the following trolling? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AEditor_review%2FThehelpfulone&diff=198077954&oldid=196824505
2008-03-15 11:27 * Pilotguy sets aemp1rei on fire
2008-03-15 11:27 < Pilotguy> problem solved
2008-03-15 11:27 * Pilotguy kicks KVIrc for freezing up
2008-03-15 11:28 < NotASpy> Thehelpfulone2: it doesn't look like trolling.
2008-03-15 11:28 < Martinp23> jerusalemboogie: He's said it once - if it bothers you, just don't rise to him and he probably won't say it again. Don't get bothered by it :)
2008-03-15 11:28 < Thehelpfulone2> ok ... /me starts to read and attempt to dechiper
2008-03-15 11:28 < Cyrius> jerusalemboogie: we can wait until he's actually a problem
2008-03-15 11:28 < Mole2> morwen: Yeah, building a high speed train line in Britain is messy business. :(
2008-03-15 11:28 < Pilotguy> Thehelpfulone2- It's your ER ;)
2008-03-15 11:29 < Thehelpfulone2> I reverted lasted time because somebody told me 'twas trolling
2008-03-15 11:29 < mexicanbanana> I don't get you. What exactly is so horrible about this so called "troll" unless he's flooding and/or spamming?
2008-03-15 11:30 < jerusalemboogie> mexicanbanana: it's because he's fucktarded for supporting ED
2008-03-15 11:31 < Cyrius> of course he is, don't make a big deal out of it though, that's what they like
2008-03-15 11:33 < Forrester> Hey! Anyone of you knowes how that song from the trailer of "The Bucket List" ist called (it is played after 1:40 minutes)?????? Please help!
2008-03-15 11:35 < The359> why would we know?
2008-03-15 11:35 < Forrester> maybe anyone searched about it
2008-03-15 11:35 < jerusalemboogie> Forrester: [[WP:REFDESK
2008-03-15 11:35 < jerusalemboogie> *[[WP:REFDESK]] is that way
2008-03-15 11:35 < The359> maybe look at the soundtrack for the film
2008-03-15 11:35 < The359> although trailers usually use different musi
2008-03-15 11:35 < The359> c
2008-03-15 11:36 < Forrester> The359: i did not find it there ;)
2008-03-15 11:36 < Forrester> yeah
2008-03-15 11:47 < gwern> I have a question for y'all: why can the buddha not vaccum in the corners?
2008-03-15 11:48 < The359> people with stupid questions are en force today
2008-03-15 11:48 < gwern> *out in force
2008-03-15 11:48 < The359> whichever
2008-03-15 11:49 < gwern> one's english, t'other's not
2008-03-15 11:49 < gwern> saith the one yclept gwern
2008-03-15 11:49 < gwern> the answer, if anyone was wondering, is: 'because the buddha has no attachments'
2008-03-15 11:49 < aemp1rei> im not trolling
2008-03-15 11:49 < aemp1rei> i was asking a simple question
2008-03-15 11:50 < The359> ED isn't notable, so it has no article
2008-03-15 11:50 < aemp1rei> ok that makes sense
2008-03-15 11:50 < The359> It's not "forbidden"
2008-03-15 11:50 < aemp1rei> notability seems very loose
2008-03-15 11:50 < gwern> also, we dislike ED, and they would like to have an article
2008-03-15 11:51 < aemp1rei> whats wrong with that
2008-03-15 11:51 < gwern> aemp1rei: oh, it is. it's a very subjective measure
2008-03-15 11:57 < aempirei> i was just wondering because i seriously hoped wikipedia didnt engage in that kinda bias and bullshit
2008-03-15 11:58 < Messedrocker> aempirei, Wikipedia definitely has personal gripes with Encyclopedia Dramatica, but there's also the plain fact that ED is simply not noteworthy
2008-03-15 11:58 < aempirei> due to the very loose defination of not noteworthy i really cant argue that point
2008-03-15 11:58 < Rinn> Wiki typically deletes articles about things on the internet they don't like.
2008-03-15 11:59 < Rinn> Whether they're actually non-notable or not is an eternal argument.
2008-03-15 12:00 < aempirei> lol now this isnt trolling, more of a philisophical question
2008-03-15 12:00 < aempirei> but isnt not noteworthy kinda a weasel word
2008-03-15 12:01 < aempirei> oh well nevermind im over it
2008-03-15 12:01 < formless> notability can at times be subjective
2008-03-15 12:01 < formless> it's not inherently subjective, though
2008-03-15 12:01 < formless> that's what makes it tough
2008-03-15 12:01 < formless> everyone would agree that Hitler is notable
2008-03-15 12:02 < formless> everyone would also agree that Jacob P. Umbertson of Bowl Counta, IA, who paints fences, is not notable
2008-03-15 12:02 < aempirei> clearly
2008-03-15 12:02 < formless> it's the stuff in between that's the challenge
2008-03-15 12:02 < formless> County*
2008-03-15 12:02 < aempirei> i mean if for some reason ED becomes noteworthy
2008-03-15 12:02 < aempirei> then im sure there will an article
2008-03-15 12:02 < formless> yep
2008-03-15 12:03 < formless> personally I think they should have an article now
2008-03-15 12:04 < aempirei> my cat just fell off the top of the tv
2008-03-15 12:05 < formless> "ED is a group of children and some adults with low emotional intelligence who act out on the Internet for reasons not clearly understood. .... This article about idiots is a stub."
2008-03-15 12:05 < formless> just stick that out there and permaprotect it :)
2008-03-15 12:05 < aempirei> that would be good too
2008-03-15 12:05 < aempirei> i mean thats what ed would like for it to say
2008-03-15 12:06 < formless> well, then I guess everyone would be happy
2008-03-15 12:07 < aempirei> another comment is that the alexa traffic ranks for uncyclopedia vs ED, ED is higher by a significant margin
2008-03-15 12:08 < aempirei> uncyclopedia has an article
2008-03-15 12:08 < aempirei> and ED has equal press coverage
2008-03-15 12:08 < Rinn> This is where you'll hear a "popularity doesn't matter" argument or a "don't compare articles to other articles" argument.
2008-03-15 12:08 < aempirei> ok
2008-03-15 12:08 < formless> aempirei: hmmm, maybe Wikipedia knows that ED wants an article, and is disallowing it because of that very fact?
2008-03-15 12:08 < aempirei> thats shameful nepotism
2008-03-15 12:08 < aempirei> honestly
2008-03-15 12:08 < aempirei> and i really like wikipedia
2008-03-15 12:09 < aempirei> but i cant be behind that kinda metality
2008-03-15 12:09 < formless> aempirei: So? The world is full of shameful nepotism, and much worse too
2008-03-15 12:09 < formless> Open your eyes
2008-03-15 12:09 < formless> Nothing's perfect
2008-03-15 12:09 < formless> Nothing is wholly un-corrupt
2008-03-15 12:09 < aempirei> thats fine, im fully aware of that
2008-03-15 12:09 < formless> If you don't like it, go become an hero
2008-03-15 12:09 < formless> but don't bitch here
2008-03-15 12:09 < formless> you're not likely to get any sympathy
2008-03-15 12:09 < shimgray> to be honest, if we take any editorial position, "we don't like ED" is far from the least annoying one we could adopt...
2008-03-15 12:09 < aempirei> i dont need sympathy
2008-03-15 12:10 < aempirei> im asking questions that i didnt have the other side of the story for
2008-03-15 12:10 < formless> aempirei: heh, no, what you need is psychological help
2008-03-15 12:10 < formless> which you also won't get here
2008-03-15 12:10 < Rinn> formless: Depends on when you're around.
2008-03-15 12:10 < formless> Rinn: :P
2008-03-15 12:10 < Rinn> You'll get psychological help you didn't ask for.
2008-03-15 12:11 < formless> Yeah, true
2008-03-15 12:11 < Cyrius> Rinn: so, tell me about your mother.
2008-03-15 12:11 < formless> aempirei: Next time you want to troll on behalf of ED, take "dongs" out of your IRC name so as to look a little less conspicuous
2008-03-15 12:11 < aempirei> im not trolling
2008-03-15 12:11 < aempirei> thats my ircname
2008-03-15 12:11 < formless> says the troll
2008-03-15 12:12 < aempirei> this wuoldnt be a very good troll now would it
2008-03-15 12:12 < aempirei> whatever
2008-03-15 12:13 < formless> aempirei: btw, it was the "aempirei: but i cant be behind that kinda metality" that gave you away
2008-03-15 12:13 < aempirei> whats that mean
2008-03-15 12:13 < formless> it sounded contrived
2008-03-15 12:13 < aempirei> youre reaching
2008-03-15 12:13 < aempirei> you erally just wanna spot the troll so bad
2008-03-15 12:13 < formless> sure, but not with you
2008-03-15 12:13 < aempirei> im asking a normal question about a topic that interested me
2008-03-15 12:14 < formless> you didn't even make it a challenge
2008-03-15 12:14 < Rinn> Hmm.
2008-03-15 12:14 < aempirei> theres no way to convince you im not trolling im not even going to try
2008-03-15 12:14 < Rinn> Mortal Kombat with electric guitars. METALITY!
2008-03-15 12:14 < aempirei> lol yeah mispelling
2008-03-15 12:14 < aempirei> i noticed that and laughed too
2008-03-15 12:15 < formless> I didn't even notice the spelling
2008-03-15 12:15 < formless> I just noticed the typical lame attack on the "values" of wikipedia
2008-03-15 12:15 < formless> set in the context of a discussion about a known group of morons
2008-03-15 12:15 < shimgray> our values?
2008-03-15 12:15 < shimgray> 5.99, or two for 10
2008-03-15 12:15 < formless> ....and he tries to say he's not a troll.
2008-03-15 12:15 < aempirei> im not attacking the values, i was actually just referencing a comic i read yesterday
2008-03-15 12:15 < aempirei> about pi day
2008-03-15 12:15 < aempirei> the dinosaurs one
2008-03-15 12:15 < nazgjunk> formless: wait, you say aempirei is trolling? Then don't talk to him.
2008-03-15 12:15 < formless> shimgray: well, he was turning it into a value issue
2008-03-15 12:16 < Messedrocker> yesterday i wrote the date as 3/1415926535/8
2008-03-15 12:16 < aempirei> did u read the dinosaur comic
2008-03-15 12:16 < Rinn> formless is apparently terrible at dealing with trolls if he does believe aempirei's one.
2008-03-15 12:16 < formless> :(
2008-03-15 12:16 < aempirei> http://www.qwantz.com/archive/000955.html
2008-03-15 12:18 < mexicanbanana> Not funny.
2008-03-15 12:18 < mexicanbanana> Pointless, ugly drawn cartoon.
2008-03-15 12:18 < aempirei> no one said its funny
2008-03-15 12:18 < mexicanbanana> Too many of those on the Web...
2008-03-15 12:18 < aempirei> i was explaining to formless my contrived statement about values
2008-03-15 12:19 < Rinn> Well *I* thought it was clever.
2008-03-15 12:19 < nazgjunk> mexicanbanana: qwantz is actually one of the more popular comics out there
2008-03-15 12:19 < aempirei> was really based on the fact that i wanted to use 'get behind' in a sentence for a day now.
2008-03-15 12:19 < nazgjunk> also it's not drawn, it's deliberately copypaste
2008-03-15 12:19 < Rinn> If not necessarily funny. But I appreciate cleverness more than humor.
2008-03-15 12:20 < nazgjunk> I like DC's style a lot, usually
2008-03-15 12:22 < aempirei> you should flag this article for deletion
2008-03-15 12:22 < aempirei> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_GOTO_10
2008-03-15 12:22 < aempirei> i g oing to smoke brb
2008-03-15 12:22 < The359> what's stopping you from doing it?
2008-03-15 12:23 < Rinn> Scruples?
2008-03-15 12:23 < Messedrocker> ah, i love pokey the penguin
2008-03-15 12:24 < nazgjunk> well that article is kind of great
2008-03-15 12:24 < nazgjunk> more lines of references than actual content, don't get that a lot :P
2008-03-15 12:25 < The359> quite a few are blogs though, nazgjunk
2008-03-15 12:25 < The359> And blogs are clearly never allowed
2008-03-15 12:25 < nazgjunk> (note that i wasn't being perfectly serious)
2008-03-15 12:25 < The359> neither was I
2008-03-15 12:25 < nazgjunk> suspected as much, yes
2008-03-15 12:26 < nazgjunk> i could come up with a few blogs that should be perfectly allowable
2008-03-15 12:29 < mexicanbanana> http://www.anontalk.com/topic/698/Strange_pits_outside_of_stores_=_fiction_only?
2008-03-15 12:29 < aempirei> i had to take a chat break, formless got me all defensive.
2008-03-15 12:30 < aempirei> formless: im sorry to have come off as trolling.
2008-03-15 12:30 < Rinn> mexicanbanana: I was hoping there would be something about Scientologists trying to drop them into pits.
2008-03-15 12:30 < mexicanbanana> o_O
2008-03-15 12:30 < mexicanbanana> I just saw this in a cartoon (Goof Troop).
2008-03-15 12:31 < Miranda> hi Arjun_01
2008-03-15 12:31 < mexicanbanana> Damn mysterious pits. Outside of stores. On the street.
2008-03-15 12:31 < Arjun_01> why hello miranda :D
2008-03-15 12:39 < Tiburcio> HI Miranda
2008-03-15 12:40 < Miranda> hola Tiburcio
2008-03-15 12:40 < cimon> Hi
2008-03-15 12:40 < cimon> Terry Pratchett on his early onset alzheimers/dementia: "Personally, I'd eat the arse out of a dead mole if it offered a fighting chance...."
2008-03-15 12:41 < cimon> Taht would be interesting if that was what it took to cure alzheimers.
2008-03-15 12:42 < cimon> though there are some yucky cures that really do work... Like letting leeches suck on you, or maggots eat your wound.
2008-03-15 12:43 < jerusalemboogie> oh fuck yeah
2008-03-15 12:43 < jerusalemboogie> a
2008-03-15 12:43 < jerusalemboogie> wikistalker
2008-03-15 12:43 < jerusalemboogie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/92.9.91.65
2008-03-15 12:43 < NotASpy> Leeches don't actually do anything, it's the chemical anti-coagulant they secrete that works. If a synthetic version could be created, leeches would become redundant once again. Maggots on the other hand eat dead skin, which is brilliant for stimulating the growth of new skin.
2008-03-15 12:43 < NotACow> FUCK YEATT
2008-03-15 12:44 < Messedrocker> yeatt?
2008-03-15 12:44 < NotASpy> who he ?
2008-03-15 12:45 < mexicanbanana> "On a previous mission many years ago a space shuttle commander was concerned about a crew member he considered potentially volatile. He requested a padlock to lock the hatch to keep someone from opening it unexpectedly during a mission."
2008-03-15 12:45 < mexicanbanana> Wait... WHAT?
2008-03-15 12:45 < mexicanbanana> Who would be crazy enough to open up a hatch into space?
2008-03-15 12:45 < mexicanbanana> That would be suicide... not escape...
2008-03-15 12:45 < shimgray> That, I assume, was his problem.
2008-03-15 12:46 < mexicanbanana> Surely it is more scary to die than to sit inside a safe space ship?
2008-03-15 12:46 < NotASpy> you simply wouldn't get that if it was the British that ran NASA.
2008-03-15 12:46 < Messedrocker> if the british ran NASA there'd be dehydrated tea time every afternoon
2008-03-15 12:47 < NotASpy> indeed. Dear chap, do get away from that hatch, it's time for tea and tiffin anyway, old boy.
2008-03-15 12:47 < Messedrocker> is tea during the afternoon or evening? i forget
2008-03-15 12:47 < gwern> 'Nitrogen triiodide, also called nitrogen iodide, is the chemical compound with the formula NI3. It is an extremely sensitive contact explosive: small quantities explode with a gunpowder-like snap when touched even lightly, releasing a purple cloud of iodine vapor. NI3 has a complex structural chemistry that has required relatively heroic efforts to elucidate because of the instability of the derivatives.' <-- no kidding
2008-03-15 12:48 < gwern> Messedrocker: so that'd be 'tea-leaf time'?
2008-03-15 12:48 * gwern must go and have high tealeaf with the captain
2008-03-15 12:48 < Messedrocker> gwern, no, tea would be brewed on earth and then it'd be dehydrated
2008-03-15 12:48 < jerusalemboogie> Messed: depends
2008-03-15 12:48 < jerusalemboogie> I have tea between 5 and 8 pee-emm
2008-03-15 12:49 < shimgray> afternoon tea. duh.
2008-03-15 12:49 < Messedrocker> well is it an after dinner thing or an after breakfast thing?
2008-03-15 12:49 < NotASpy> I would say around 3pm.
2008-03-15 12:49 < gwern> Messedrocker: that's - that's stupid, tea leaves are dehydrated tea, you add water to tea leaves and you get tea
2008-03-15 12:49 < jerusalemboogie> afternoon tea always seemed to pretentious to me
2008-03-15 12:49 < shimgray> afternoon tea, c. 4pm
2008-03-15 12:49 < NotASpy> wait till we get the cucumber sandwiches out, jerusalemboogie.
2008-03-15 12:49 < mexicanbanana> A cup of tea and one perfectly toasted scone with fine butter, please.
2008-03-15 12:49 < Messedrocker> cucumber sandwiches?
2008-03-15 12:49 < mexicanbanana> Earl Grey only.
2008-03-15 12:50 < Messedrocker> there better be more than cucumber
2008-03-15 12:50 < mexicanbanana> That is what gentlemen eat.
2008-03-15 12:50 < NotASpy> no crusts, of course.
2008-03-15 12:50 < jerusalemboogie> I never liked cucumbers :/
2008-03-15 12:50 * gwern does
2008-03-15 12:50 < Messedrocker> in the states we just eat lunch
2008-03-15 12:50 < Messedrocker> which is basically a lighter version of dinner