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2008-03-14 02:09 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-03-14 02:09 < ggreer> the smallest car you'll ever see on the road here is an mx-5 or an elise
2008-03-14 02:09 < ggreer> heh
2008-03-14 02:09 < ggreer> fiat panda?
2008-03-14 02:09 < Demi> in san francisco they have some pretty tiny car at those borrow-car service things
2008-03-14 02:10 < ggreer> Demi: oh, the exploratorium cars?
2008-03-14 02:10 < AdamBishop> yeah they have Minis at those things in Toronto
2008-03-14 02:10 < ggreer> my miata is the same size as a new mini
2008-03-14 02:10 < ggreer> but my car weighs less
2008-03-14 02:10 < ggreer> and is shorter
2008-03-14 02:10 < bumm13> (aww, I couldn't connected to a supposedly-online Cromemco System One :( )
2008-03-14 02:12 < ggreer> actually my car is smaller than a new mini :(
2008-03-14 02:12 < ggreer> in every dimension
2008-03-14 02:13 < Demi> my car is slightly larger than a mini
2008-03-14 02:13 * AdamBishop listens to Miley Cyrus - Start All Over
2008-03-14 02:13 < AdamBishop> yeah. That's right.
2008-03-14 02:13 < ggreer> TheWeasel: honda fit?
2008-03-14 02:13 < ggreer> the fit is a neat little car
2008-03-14 02:14 < ggreer> if I wanted something practical I would have bought one
2008-03-14 02:14 < ggreer> or a yaris
2008-03-14 02:14 < Demi> i don't know any of these cars
2008-03-14 02:14 < ggreer> Demi: really? they're pretty popular
2008-03-14 02:14 < Demi> i guess i've just been under a rock
2008-03-14 02:14 < ggreer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:07-Toyota-Yaris-3door.jpg
2008-03-14 02:14 < ggreer> they look like space eggs
2008-03-14 02:15 < mavhc> if it doesn't have 3 wheels it's not a small car
2008-03-14 02:15 < ggreer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2007-Honda-Fit-Sport.jpg
2008-03-14 02:15 < ggreer> that's the fit
2008-03-14 02:16 < ggreer> For the 2008 Model, US models come with a government mandated Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) to alert the driver of low pressure in any of the 4 stock wheels. Unlike some systems, the system in the 2008 Fit notifies the driver that a tire is low, but not which one.
2008-03-14 02:16 < ggreer> the government mandates that? lame
2008-03-14 02:16 < ggreer> I guess people are too stupid to check their tire pressures every once in a while
2008-03-14 02:16 < ggreer> or just look at their tires for 5 seconds
2008-03-14 02:22 < TheWeasel> "...who in 1830 had a vision that was later[11] published in 1861."
2008-03-14 02:22 < TheWeasel> I love Wikipedian logic
2008-03-14 02:23 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> fnroselady: Franklin cannot run for a third term so her office will be open in late 2009. There's been talk of putting either Valerie Jackson or Martin Luther King III on the ballot.
2008-03-14 02:23 < Mike_H> I wonder who'd be a better mayor.
2008-03-14 02:23 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: are you up?
2008-03-14 02:25 < TheWeasel> Was "brethren" once a regular pl. of "brother"?
2008-03-14 02:26 < TheWeasel> maybe "brother" in the sense of "friend" is a different word
2008-03-14 02:28 < AdamBishop> no, it was invented as an analogy with children
2008-03-14 02:28 < TheWeasel> thanks
2008-03-14 02:29 < Demi> like when people say "regexen" as a plural of "regex" in a false parallel with "ox/oxen" and i have to take a straight razor and cut their eyes out.
2008-03-14 02:30 < ggreer`> pluralization ruleses suck
2008-03-14 02:31 < Demi> i think you mean "rule's"
2008-03-14 02:31 < TheWeasel> that might be mock-German though
2008-03-14 02:32 < AdamBishop> das Rule, die Rüler
2008-03-14 02:33 < Demi> i doubt it. i also don't think it's "German inspiration" when people capitalize words randomly on hand-lettered signs
2008-03-14 02:34 < AdamBishop> perhaps It is Mock 18th-century English
2008-03-14 02:35 < Demi> Perhapf
2008-03-14 02:35 < AdamBishop> or 18th century Englifh
2008-03-14 02:35 < AdamBishop> dammit! You ftole my joke.
2008-03-14 02:36 < Demi> have you ever heard of sharon kay penman?
2008-03-14 02:36 < AdamBishop> no
2008-03-14 02:36 < Demi> well, you'd love her. and by "love", i mean you would want to give her involuntary sex change surgery to give her balls, and then cut them off.
2008-03-14 02:37 < Demi> she writes popular historical fiction about medieval england
2008-03-14 02:37 < Mike_H> <talkish> i caught my ex sniffing my panties before putting them in the wash. i was shocked and sad.
2008-03-14 02:37 < Mike_H> <talkish> but sort of flattered.
2008-03-14 02:37 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-03-14 02:37 < Mike_H> that needs to be bashed
2008-03-14 02:37 < Mike_H> omg
2008-03-14 02:37 < AdamBishop> "She is well known for her novels and mysteries about English and Welsh royalty during the Middle Ages."
2008-03-14 02:37 < AdamBishop> oh my.
2008-03-14 02:37 < Demi> including a detective series
2008-03-14 02:37 < Demi> anyway, her dialog is a step away from a renaissance faire, our mockery of antique english reminded me of it.
2008-03-14 02:37 < Demi> mayhap it be, and sooth
2008-03-14 02:38 < AdamBishop> well, I was flipping through [[Pillars of the Earth]], and I was confused by the names and nicknames of the characters
2008-03-14 02:39 < AdamBishop> really, "Jake" is not a 12th century name.
2008-03-14 02:39 < Demi> that's the follett one?
2008-03-14 02:39 < Demi> yeah, i read that one too
2008-03-14 02:39 < AdamBishop> yeah
2008-03-14 02:39 < ggreer`> pretty much any time before 1900 probably isn't worth writing about, since the average person before then died of some random terrible disease
2008-03-14 02:40 < Demi> i submit umberto eco as a counterexample
2008-03-14 02:41 < ggreer`> 1300: you die of the plague
2008-03-14 02:41 < ggreer`> 1600: you die of smallpox
2008-03-14 02:41 < Demi> of course, i'm sure AdamBishop will never forgive him for what he did to byzantium
2008-03-14 02:41 < ggreer`> 1800: you die of cholera
2008-03-14 02:41 < ggreer`> etc
2008-03-14 02:41 < Demi> and frederick barbarossa
2008-03-14 02:41 < AdamBishop> er, yeah, that was quite bizarre
2008-03-14 02:41 < AdamBishop> I do like Name of the Rose though
2008-03-14 02:42 < AdamBishop> especially since the library was based on the [[Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library]], which is indeed a scary and confusing place
2008-03-14 02:43 < Demi> that's better than basing the inside of the vatican on my colon, which i believe is how dan brown does his work.
2008-03-14 02:44 < zvook> hence the name
2008-03-14 02:44 * Demi nods ruefully
2008-03-14 02:45 < AdamBishop> yeah. He sucks at writing, and at life.
2008-03-14 02:46 < Demi> jackson county is supposed to be reading fahrenheit 451
2008-03-14 02:47 < Demi> one of dan brown's FAQs is "How Do you weave so much information into your stories and yet keep them so fast-paced?"
2008-03-14 02:47 < Demi> that's a great question, and you can also see that German inspiration at work
2008-03-14 02:49 < AdamBishop> "How do you get away with plagiarising notable work of pseudo-history Holy Blood Holy Grail?"
2008-03-14 02:49 < DannyLilithborne> lol
2008-03-14 02:49 < AdamBishop> oh well, it's not his fault. It's just a novel, it's his audience who is at fault
2008-03-14 02:49 < DannyLilithborne> Dan Brown why are you awesome and how can I grow up to be just like you, Dan Brown?
2008-03-14 02:49 < Demi> i hope dan brown isn't listening
2008-03-14 02:50 < AdamBishop> there should be an audience FAQ and Dan Brown should ask "why are you all so monumentally stupid?"
2008-03-14 02:50 < AdamBishop> and "How can I get you to make me even more rich?"
2008-03-14 02:50 < Demi> i do credit him with the repopularization of the "evil albino"
2008-03-14 02:51 < DannyLilithborne> lol he just wants u to fink its fikshun
2008-03-14 02:55 < Mike_H> I just got attacked on a message board
2008-03-14 02:55 < Mike_H> for daring to say that Jewish people shouldn't equate Germany with the Nazis.
2008-03-14 02:55 < Demi> equating Germans with Nazis is ONLY FOR GENTILES
2008-03-14 02:56 < Dissentor> Godwin's Law.
2008-03-14 02:56 < DannyLilithborne> you know... my wikibreak won't help me worth shit if i keep being tempted to look at the noticeboards
2008-03-14 02:56 < Mike_H> Dissentor: It doesn't help that the internet argument started with this question.
2008-03-14 02:56 < Mike_H> Godwin's Law doesn't work there.
2008-03-14 02:56 < DannyLilithborne> holy crap 4chan is in pursuit of lulz again
2008-03-14 02:57 < Dissentor> Aw.
2008-03-14 02:58 < Mike_H> Demi: Someone tried to pick a fight with me because I said my family had it bad too
2008-03-14 02:58 < Mike_H> and I guess they thought I was trying to like
2008-03-14 02:58 < Mike_H> equate my family's suffering during the wars with the Holocaust
2008-03-14 02:58 < Mike_H> or trying to use that in a "whose suffering was worse?" argument
2008-03-14 02:58 < bumm13> those are always lame
2008-03-14 02:58 < DannyLilithborne> :\
2008-03-14 02:58 < Mike_H> I was just trying to say all Germans aren't bad people and they were singled out during the war too
2008-03-14 02:58 < Mike_H> especially in the US
2008-03-14 02:59 < Mike_H> like my family was.
2008-03-14 02:59 < bumm13> war is an ugly thing
2008-03-14 02:59 < DannyLilithborne> good God y'all
2008-03-14 02:59 < bumm13> and WWII had many layers of (plural) "ugly"
2008-03-14 03:01 < ggreer`> [00:58] <Mike_H> I was just trying to say all Germans aren't bad people and they were singled out during the war too
2008-03-14 03:01 < bumm13> just in terms of persecution/human suffering, it ranged from the Holocaust to huge numbers of deaths in Russia and China to the smaller Bataan Death March to Japanese-American internment in the U.S.
2008-03-14 03:01 < ggreer`> that's basically hannah arendt's point
2008-03-14 03:01 < ggreer`> she says that pretty much anyone can become an eichman
2008-03-14 03:01 < zvook> the banality of evil and all that
2008-03-14 03:01 < ggreer`> exactly
2008-03-14 03:02 < zvook> are you germaine greer btw?
2008-03-14 03:02 < bumm13> (and obviously the human sufferings of so many soldiers on all sides of the conflict)
2008-03-14 03:02 < ggreer`> bumm13: oh, and that atom bom thing
2008-03-14 03:02 < ggreer`> *bomb
2008-03-14 03:02 < ggreer`> zvook: no
2008-03-14 03:02 < bumm13> oh yeah, forgot that :P
2008-03-14 03:02 < ggreer`> I'm geoff greer
2008-03-14 03:02 < zvook> i was close then
2008-03-14 03:03 < zvook> just not germane to this discussion
2008-03-14 03:03 < Mike_H> ggreer`: Well, I don't feel like I need to apologize to Jewish people for being proud of my heritage, especially when it had nothing to do with the Nazis besides...we came from the same country once upon a time.
2008-03-14 03:03 < ggreer`> yeah, I can see how you'd mix up a chauvanist pig software engineer with a feminist english lit lady
2008-03-14 03:03 < ggreer`> Mike_H: slaver reparations! </jk>
2008-03-14 03:03 < ggreer`> *slavery
2008-03-14 03:05 * AdamBishop begins the long task of matching up 5500 Itunes songs with the random lettered-file names they correspond to
2008-03-14 03:05 < zvook> itunes is evil
2008-03-14 03:05 < ggreer`> this germaine greer lady sounds crazy
2008-03-14 03:05 < ggreer`> AdamBishop: don't the mp3s have id3 tags?
2008-03-14 03:06 < zvook> she is very famous
2008-03-14 03:06 < AdamBishop> yes, that's what I'm using
2008-03-14 03:06 < zvook> in the UK at least, since the sixties
2008-03-14 03:06 < AdamBishop> I lost all my music at one point, so I had to re-upload them from my ipod
2008-03-14 03:06 < ggreer`> AdamBishop: I'm pretty sure you can automate that sort of thing
2008-03-14 03:06 < ggreer`> somehow
2008-03-14 03:06 < AdamBishop> but when you do that, it turns them into random four-letter file names
2008-03-14 03:06 < zvook> i send things to my ipod using the foobar player, which preserves the filenames, magically
2008-03-14 03:06 < AdamBishop> yeah probably. But as far as I know, little gnomes flip switches inside my computer
2008-03-14 03:07 < ggreer`> id3 tags can't be that complex
2008-03-14 03:07 < ggreer`> you could write an app that renames the files based on id3 tags
2008-03-14 03:07 < ggreer`> in fact I bet one exists already
2008-03-14 03:07 < AdamBishop> so I don't try to automate things like that :)
2008-03-14 03:07 < AdamBishop> hmm, that would be helpful
2008-03-14 03:07 < zvook> several exist already
2008-03-14 03:07 < ggreer`> I automated the lights in my apartment
2008-03-14 03:08 < ggreer`> http://angryparsley.ath.cx:2079/unit
2008-03-14 03:08 < AdamBishop> like what, zvook?
2008-03-14 03:08 < ggreer`> I automate stuff even when it's not worth automating
2008-03-14 03:09 < zvook> mmm, the foobar2000 player for windows does it, and the musicbrainz tagger
2008-03-14 03:09 < Dissentor> Would be distinctly unfunny for you if someone got a hold of those passwords.
2008-03-14 03:10 < ggreer`> Dissentor: I had to put a password on it because one of my coworkers found out about it
2008-03-14 03:10 < ggreer`> and turned my lights on late at night
2008-03-14 03:11 < ggreer`> you'll also notice it's iphone compatible
2008-03-14 03:11 < Dissentor> Neat.
2008-03-14 03:11 < ggreer`> so I can use my ridiculous phone to control my ridiculous X10 stuff
2008-03-14 03:12 < ggreer`> anyway, I bet it freaks the neighbors out
2008-03-14 03:12 < ggreer`> since I can turn stuff on and off from far far away
2008-03-14 03:13 < Dissentor> Must be a nice way to impress friends.
2008-03-14 03:14 < ggreer`> they're all used to it
2008-03-14 03:14 < ggreer`> they expect this crazy stuff from me
2008-03-14 03:14 < ggreer`> see also: http://abughrai.be/thermite/
2008-03-14 03:16 * Dissentor was expecting porn.
2008-03-14 03:16 < ggreer`> no, just thermite
2008-03-14 03:16 < ggreer`> and guns
2008-03-14 03:16 < Dissentor> Heh.
2008-03-14 03:19 < ggreer`> of course some of my friends and coworkers aren't as respectful: http://kelnishi.com/blog/20071010/news/geoff-got-a-miata/
2008-03-14 03:19 < ggreer`> thanks to that I'm on the first page of google image results for "miata"
2008-03-14 03:21 < bumm13> haha
2008-03-14 03:22 < Demi> well i wish i hadn't chosen to load quite so many keys here
2008-03-14 03:24 < Mike_H> Fan us and show that you have chosen to breathe more freely, live more naturally, and contribute positively to the the world at large.
2008-03-14 03:24 < Mike_H> rofl, the application is called "icare"
2008-03-14 03:24 < Mike_H> "I care. I don't smoke."
2008-03-14 03:25 < Mike_H> So, the opposite would apply to me?
2008-03-14 03:25 < Mike_H> "I don't care. I smoke."
2008-03-14 03:26 < zvook> iCouldn'tcareless
2008-03-14 03:26 < AdamBishop> I prefer to inhale noxious gases from cars
2008-03-14 03:27 < AdamBishop> sure walking down the street will add more carcinogens than some guy smoking, but still, smoking is disgusting
2008-03-14 03:28 < ggreer`> I don't mind the smell of cigarette smoke, just the smell of stale cigarette smoke
2008-03-14 03:28 < ggreer`> :/
2008-03-14 03:28 < bumm13> carcinogénica!
2008-03-14 03:29 < p858snake> ggreer`: you should set up a page so that people can type a message so that it displays on a little lcd screen, but then your work mates might a little too much fun
2008-03-14 03:30 < ggreer`> p858snake: and then a webcam so that people could see it
2008-03-14 03:30 < ggreer`> I've got a crystalfontz display around here somewhere
2008-03-14 03:30 < p858snake> or you could just record the message into a textfile or something and have that display on the webpage
2008-03-14 03:31 < ggreer`> that wouldn't be as interesting
2008-03-14 03:31 < ggreer`> stuff that changes in real life is so much cooler
2008-03-14 03:31 < ggreer`> like those globe things that change color based on whatever you want
2008-03-14 03:31 < ggreer`> there's one at work that glows red when the stocks are down, and green when stocks are up
2008-03-14 03:32 < p858snake> http://digg.com/mods/LCD_webcam_cool <this is where i got my idea but the site appears to be down now
2008-03-14 03:32 < ggreer`> yeah, that's basically it
2008-03-14 03:32 < ggreer`> some peolpe do the web based x-10 thing for their haloween decorations
2008-03-14 03:32 < ggreer`> and let everyone control the lights
2008-03-14 03:33 < p858snake> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/the_ring.png >.>
2008-03-14 03:52 * AdamBishop has had two articles on DYK this week
2008-03-14 03:52 < bumm13> \o/
2008-03-14 03:52 < Demi> apparently you know
2008-03-14 03:52 < bumm13> heh
2008-03-14 03:52 < nokmar> we can add in that to DYK and give him three.
2008-03-14 03:52 < AdamBishop> well, one of them wasn't mine. But I added a sentence to it and nominated it!
2008-03-14 03:53 < nokmar> "DYK: AdamBishop has had two articles on DYK this week
2008-03-14 03:53 < nokmar> "
2008-03-14 03:56 < AdamBishop> I did know that!
2008-03-14 03:59 < nokmar> "DYK: if this makes it into DYK, then AdamBishop would have had 3 DYK articles this week"
2008-03-14 04:11 < Demi> night alll
2008-03-14 04:31 < aemp1rei> shardz
2008-03-14 04:40 < yao_ziyuan> 8-)
2008-03-14 04:51 < TheWeasel> lol http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Newt-mult-choice.jpg
2008-03-14 04:52 < TheWeasel> (his name is Leibniz, though)
2008-03-14 04:56 < TheWeasel> Newton hated Leibniz because his way of doing calculus was probably the only scientific endeavor in his life where he was second to someone
2008-03-14 04:57 < TheWeasel> the mother of academic feuds
2008-03-14 04:58 < AdamBishop> too bad Newton became a crazy religious nut
2008-03-14 04:58 < AdamBishop> we could have landed on the moon in the 18th century!
2008-03-14 04:59 < TheWeasel> imagine all the radio transmissions being done in Latin
2008-03-14 05:01 < TheWeasel> we would have seen the influence of weightlesness on wigs
2008-03-14 05:03 < AdamBishop> it would have been like [[Nuntii Latini]], but on every station
2008-03-14 05:03 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-03-14 05:03 < Mimsy> Learning Telegraphy before Telegraphy?
2008-03-14 05:04 * TheWeasel goes back to reading the Osservatore
2008-03-14 05:04 * Mimsy is EN-N JA-2 ES-1 FR-1 LA-1 and CY-1
2008-03-14 05:05 < AdamBishop> I assume I am la-3 and fr-3 but I find those userboxes as useless as all the rest
2008-03-14 05:05 * TheWeasel is DE-N, EN-3, FR-1, LA-0.5 and a couple others 0.1 or so
2008-03-14 05:06 < AdamBishop> I can read French but I can't speak it. I went to a French bookstore and that part of my brain immediately shut off
2008-03-14 05:06 < AdamBishop> I could understand what they were saying to me, but I couldn't respond
2008-03-14 05:06 < TheWeasel> I can read French, speak it badly but not understand it.
2008-03-14 05:06 < AdamBishop> and for Latin, well I can read it with ease but there is no way I could ever conduct a conversation of any length in it
2008-03-14 05:07 < TheWeasel> no that's sad, no disputationes on #wikipedia
2008-03-14 05:07 < TheWeasel> I can read other Romance languages reasonably well
2008-03-14 05:07 < TheWeasel> and Dutch
2008-03-14 05:08 < TheWeasel> and the more moderate Scandinavian languages (mostly Danish and Norwegian)
2008-03-14 05:08 < TheWeasel> while Swedish is beyond me
2008-03-14 05:09 < AdamBishop> yeah, I can get through Italian pretty well. I find Spanish really hard though
2008-03-14 05:09 < AdamBishop> I used to be better at German but I've mostly lost it
2008-03-14 05:09 < AdamBishop> I've been trying to learn Arabic but I just don't have time for it
2008-03-14 05:09 < TheWeasel> Portuguese is maddening because of its tendency for n => m and certain vowel shifts
2008-03-14 05:10 < TheWeasel> I can read Cyrillic and Hebrew, but I speak no Russian or Bulgarian, and Hebrew at no level worth mentioning
2008-03-14 05:11 < TheWeasel> Portuguese probably has one of the most difficult phonetic systems in Europe
2008-03-14 05:11 < AdamBishop> I find Portuguese easier than Spanish, actually. Portuguese reminds me of French
2008-03-14 05:11 < TheWeasel> so it's very hard to understand
2008-03-14 05:11 < TheWeasel> yea.
2008-03-14 05:11 < TheWeasel> like Polish is "the Slavic French"
2008-03-14 05:12 < TheWeasel> very beautiful language, I wish I spoke more of it
2008-03-14 05:12 < TheWeasel> I can recognize languages reasonably well, as well as accents of them in German
2008-03-14 05:13 < Dissentor> I wish I could speak Russian and Spanish fluently.
2008-03-14 05:13 < TheWeasel> Russian is far more difficult than it seems at first I believe
2008-03-14 05:13 < Mimsy> I can read Katakana/Hiragana
2008-03-14 05:13 < TheWeasel> surprisingly long words, quite intricate phonetics
2008-03-14 05:14 < Dissentor> Russian is very difficult. :(
2008-03-14 05:14 < Dissentor> I don't understand any of it (two or so words doesn't count).
2008-03-14 05:14 < Mimsy> What is the code for Russian?
2008-03-14 05:14 < TheWeasel> ru
2008-03-14 05:14 < Mimsy> ah well i'm RU-0 then :-)
2008-03-14 05:14 < bumm13> I taught myself the Russian version of the Cyrillic alphabet, but can no longer remember most of it :(
2008-03-14 05:15 < TheWeasel> I eat Russian fluently :-P
2008-03-14 05:15 < Dissentor> Hah.
2008-03-14 05:15 < bumm13> Russian Cyrillic is fairly similar to Greek letters, actually
2008-03-14 05:15 < bumm13> (but not identical)
2008-03-14 05:15 < Dissentor> Spanish is a very beautiful language, but I can only speak a little.
2008-03-14 05:15 < TheWeasel> I read it with reasonable fluency, but it's only good to recognize subway station names or place names
2008-03-14 05:15 < Mimsy> bumm13: it is drived from Greek chars
2008-03-14 05:15 < Mimsy> derivied
2008-03-14 05:16 < bumm13> yeah, you can tell
2008-03-14 05:16 < bumm13> *derived ;)
2008-03-14 05:16 < Mimsy> IT has to do with the Influence with the Eastern Orthodox (Christian) Church
2008-03-14 05:17 < bumm13> right
2008-03-14 05:17 < Mimsy> Back in the Byzantine Empire Days
2008-03-14 05:17 < Dissentor> The glory days of Constantinople.
2008-03-14 05:17 < Mimsy> History is one of my strong suits
2008-03-14 05:17 < TheWeasel> the sign for "eta" looks very unlike an e
2008-03-14 05:17 < TheWeasel> that one always stumps me
2008-03-14 05:17 < Dissentor> Yay, fellow history buff. :D
2008-03-14 05:18 < Dissentor> Cheers to you for being able to read Russian, TheWeasel. :)
2008-03-14 05:18 < Mimsy> Dissentor: ah yes I wish i could offer you a Cuppa
2008-03-14 05:18 < TheWeasel> oh well, I had little to do as a child, I guess
2008-03-14 05:18 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-03-14 05:18 < Dissentor> Any specific area of interest, Mimsy?
2008-03-14 05:18 < Mimsy> I'm having my morning tea now
2008-03-14 05:18 * Dissentor suppresses the envy he feels towards TheWeasel.
2008-03-14 05:18 < TheWeasel> Being able to read Korean would be cool
2008-03-14 05:18 < TheWeasel> or Armenian/Georgian
2008-03-14 05:19 < Dissentor> Parev.
2008-03-14 05:19 < Dissentor> ^ Only Armenian word I know.
2008-03-14 05:19 < TheWeasel> or Amharic
2008-03-14 05:19 < Mimsy> Dissentor: Quite a few, Egypt, The Roman Empires. Japanese History... and Computer/Data Processing History
2008-03-14 05:19 < Mimsy> oh and Chinese history as well
2008-03-14 05:19 < Dissentor> Beautiful. I'm into the middle ages and military history in general myself. As well as American history (although it is pitifully short).
2008-03-14 05:20 * TheWeasel doesn't know what his "area of interest" is
2008-03-14 05:20 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-03-14 05:21 < Mimsy> Middle ages interest me as well
2008-03-14 05:21 < TheWeasel> "areas of interest" and "areas of competence" don't necessarily merge, I guess
2008-03-14 05:21 < Dissentor> OH HEAVENS NO.
2008-03-14 05:21 < bumm13> I have almost no area of competence ;p
2008-03-14 05:21 < Dissentor> Case in point: Area of competence for me is mathematics.
2008-03-14 05:21 < bumm13> *areas
2008-03-14 05:21 < Dissentor> HOLY GOSH DO I HATE MATH.
2008-03-14 05:21 < Mimsy> Math is not one of my strong suits either, EXECPT for Programming Maths
2008-03-14 05:21 * bumm13 is a "master" of breadth
2008-03-14 05:21 < AdamBishop> I can read Greek letters, but I don't understand what they say
2008-03-14 05:22 < bumm13> letters don't say anything ;)
2008-03-14 05:22 < Dissentor> Hehe.
2008-03-14 05:22 < AdamBishop> it's pretty unfortunate, if I knew ancient Greek it would be immensely helpful for my studies
2008-03-14 05:22 < AdamBishop> well whatever :)
2008-03-14 05:22 < Dissentor> What do you study?
2008-03-14 05:22 < Mimsy> Reading Japanese Katakana can be an exercise trying to Figure out the word they Imported into Japanese
2008-03-14 05:22 * TheWeasel 's area of competence is legal thought, political geography, perhaps parts of German lit
2008-03-14 05:22 < Dissentor> Gerrymandering.
2008-03-14 05:22 < AdamBishop> the crusades. They had a lot of contact with the Byzantines, who of course wrote in Greek
2008-03-14 05:23 < Mimsy> Dissentor: I'm not in school now, but I still study... Everything.
2008-03-14 05:23 < Dissentor> (06:22:37) <Mimsy> Reading Japanese Katakana can be an exercise trying to Figure out the word they Imported into Japanese << Impressive. I can't read any languages other than English. :(
2008-03-14 05:23 < TheWeasel> that too, although we have a political system that doesn't rely much on districts
2008-03-14 05:23 < Mimsy> Dissentor: ah ok
2008-03-14 05:23 < Dissentor> Gerrymandering is such a great word.
2008-03-14 05:23 < Dissentor> (06:23:15) <Mimsy> Dissentor: I'm not in school now, but I still study... Everything. << Never let education get in the way of your learning.
2008-03-14 05:24 < Mimsy> Dissentor: that would be a good motto for me.
2008-03-14 05:24 < Dissentor> It's a wonderful saying. :)
2008-03-14 05:24 < bumm13> I'm good at geography, general computer *usage*, computer history, knowing useless info about soda pop brands, capable writing skills (term papers, essays, etc.)
2008-03-14 05:24 * TheWeasel desperately looks for other things he's competent to talk about
2008-03-14 05:24 < TheWeasel> oh, certain disabled sports.
2008-03-14 05:25 < Dissentor> Disabled sports?
2008-03-14 05:25 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-03-14 05:25 < Dissentor> Lol useless info about soda pop brands.
2008-03-14 05:25 < TheWeasel> Paralympic sports
2008-03-14 05:25 < Dissentor> That was pretty random. :P
2008-03-14 05:25 < TheWeasel> what else...
2008-03-14 05:25 < bumm13> I'll give "honorable mention" to radio/telecommunications knowledge and linguistics
2008-03-14 05:25 < Dissentor> Oh, gotcha.
2008-03-14 05:25 < Mimsy> bumm13: With Computer History for example, I have a Photo on the wall in my house of the Design Team for the Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-6 Computer back in 1963
2008-03-14 05:25 < Dissentor> I thought you meant antiquated sports.
2008-03-14 05:25 < toresbe> Mimsy: I know the guy to the far left Ø=
2008-03-14 05:25 < toresbe> :)*
2008-03-14 05:25 < bumm13> Mimsy - neato :D
2008-03-14 05:25 < TheWeasel> maybe 50s rock.
2008-03-14 05:25 < bumm13> who is that person?
2008-03-14 05:26 < Mimsy> toresbe: The woman?
2008-03-14 05:26 < bumm13> oh yeah, I'm into rock & roll/rock trivia :-)
2008-03-14 05:26 < toresbe> Mimsy: hmm, no. Hang on, let me look through the picture
2008-03-14 05:26 < bumm13> (and 60s garage band ephemera)
2008-03-14 05:26 < AdamBishop> I can recognize most songs from the first few seconds of music
2008-03-14 05:27 < bumm13> same here (if I know that song at all)
2008-03-14 05:27 < bumm13> *the
2008-03-14 05:27 < Mimsy> toresbe: This is the Photo on my Wall - http://research.microsoft.com/~gbell/PDP%20Team.jpg
2008-03-14 05:27 < AdamBishop> it's a good skill for trivia, but otherwise useless
2008-03-14 05:27 < Dissentor> Anybody ever play Quiz Bowl/Academic Team?
2008-03-14 05:27 < Dissentor> In high school?
2008-03-14 05:27 < TheWeasel> I'm pretty positive I know all standard Beatles songs from the first three seconds, not beyond that I think.
2008-03-14 05:27 < AdamBishop> I did in high school and university
2008-03-14 05:28 < Dissentor> Sweet.
2008-03-14 05:28 < TheWeasel> I know a thing or two about German history
2008-03-14 05:28 < toresbe> Mimsy: far left!
2008-03-14 05:28 < TheWeasel> especially more recent
2008-03-14 05:28 < toresbe> leftmost guy. standing.
2008-03-14 05:28 < Mimsy> oh i see, its cut off in my photo
2008-03-14 05:28 < toresbe> I also think I see Slug Russell there...
2008-03-14 05:28 < bumm13> he doesn't look familiar to me (far left dude)
2008-03-14 05:28 < toresbe> no, wait.
2008-03-14 05:28 < toresbe> Oh, there's Alan Kotok, too
2008-03-14 05:28 * Mimsy nods
2008-03-14 05:29 < TheWeasel> then... oddly enough aerial navigation and airspace control
2008-03-14 05:29 < TheWeasel> heh
2008-03-14 05:29 < Mimsy> Good old Spacewar Slug Russell
2008-03-14 05:29 < toresbe> I was supposed to meet him, but two weeks prior to that he died :(
2008-03-14 05:29 < Mimsy> Kotok?
2008-03-14 05:29 < bumm13> was Edson deCastro part of that team?
2008-03-14 05:29 < toresbe> yeah
2008-03-14 05:29 < bumm13> toresbe - :(
2008-03-14 05:29 < TheWeasel> that picture somehow looks doctred
2008-03-14 05:29 < Mimsy> The dude on the far right?
2008-03-14 05:30 < TheWeasel> when was it taken?
2008-03-14 05:30 < toresbe> bumm13: nope, deCastro worked on the cheapo -8
2008-03-14 05:30 < bumm13> toresbe: was that "yeah" in response to Mimsy?
2008-03-14 05:30 < Mimsy> 1963
2008-03-14 05:30 < bumm13> ok
2008-03-14 05:30 < TheWeasel> right
2008-03-14 05:30 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-03-14 05:30 < Mimsy> bumm13: oh about Kotok RIP
2008-03-14 05:30 < toresbe> -6 was the biggest DEC machine, ever. The -8 was the smallest at the time.
2008-03-14 05:30 < Mimsy> I dunno
2008-03-14 05:30 < Mimsy> KA-10 is a Big Machine too
2008-03-14 05:31 < Mimsy> (PDP-10)
2008-03-14 05:31 * Dissentor is too young to follow this conversation.
2008-03-14 05:31 < Mimsy> i'm only 32 :-)
2008-03-14 05:31 < bumm13> I'm younger ;)
2008-03-14 05:31 < Dissentor> You're almost two times older than me, sir.
2008-03-14 05:31 < bumm13> it's just history stuff
2008-03-14 05:31 * TheWeasel is too uninterested in computers to follow
2008-03-14 05:31 < Mimsy> I was -12 when that picture was taken
2008-03-14 05:33 < Dissentor> Computer history doesn't really interest me. How it works does.
2008-03-14 05:33 < bumm13> Unix first ran on the PDP-7 or something like that
2008-03-14 05:33 < Dissentor> Or how to fix it when it goes kerplooey, rather.
2008-03-14 05:33 * TheWeasel has minions for that
2008-03-14 05:33 < toresbe> Mimsy: KA-10 was big, sure, but nowhere near the PDP-6
2008-03-14 05:33 < toresbe> I'm only 19 years old.
2008-03-14 05:34 < Mimsy> bumm13: that is right UNIX began on the PDP-7 written mostly in B
2008-03-14 05:34 < Sir48> that was much later, bumm13 - Digital had der own OS
2008-03-14 05:34 < toresbe> And yet, I've hacked on a PDP-1 ;)
2008-03-14 05:34 < Dissentor> 17, still youngest.
2008-03-14 05:34 < Mimsy> A real one?
2008-03-14 05:34 < toresbe> yep, a real one.
2008-03-14 05:34 < Sir48> *der/their
2008-03-14 05:34 < Mimsy> Lucky stff
2008-03-14 05:34 < Mimsy> stiff
2008-03-14 05:34 < toresbe> I've got the printout of my program hung up on the wall :)
2008-03-14 05:34 < Mimsy> That machine is my favorite
2008-03-14 05:34 < Mimsy> Well the TX-0 Was a fav too
2008-03-14 05:34 < toresbe> It's a good machine to code on. And the Soroban console typewriter is even better than the Teletype on the PDP-7 here.
2008-03-14 05:34 * Dissentor wiki's it.
2008-03-14 05:35 < toresbe> the tixo wasn't all that good in comparison. The TX-0 was a kludge.
2008-03-14 05:35 < Dissentor> Only three PDP-1 computers are still known to exist, and all three are in the collection of the Computer History Museum. One was a prototype, and the other two are production PDP-1C machines. << Wow those must be valuable.
2008-03-14 05:35 < toresbe> Dissentor: yeah
2008-03-14 05:35 < Mimsy> There were about 50 made
2008-03-14 05:35 < Mimsy> (PDP-1
2008-03-14 05:35 < Dissentor> Imagine if a fourth one surfaces somewhere.
2008-03-14 05:35 < bumm13> many things at that museum are valuable :)
2008-03-14 05:36 < Dissentor> Figures.
2008-03-14 05:36 < Mimsy> toresbe: yes but the TX-0 was really made to be a memory tester for the TX-2
2008-03-14 05:36 < toresbe> yep
2008-03-14 05:36 < Dissentor> Whoa, they have a Cray-2.
2008-03-14 05:37 < bumm13> they even have sections of some really old stuff
2008-03-14 05:37 < toresbe> I've had the painful job of throwing away a Convex
2008-03-14 05:37 < bumm13> (non-working, but still...)
2008-03-14 05:37 < bumm13> toresbe - :(
2008-03-14 05:38 < toresbe> bumm13: it was at the Norwegian Computer History Society's warehouse. I kept the boards.
2008-03-14 05:38 < toresbe> The thing was in a bad state.
2008-03-14 05:38 < Mimsy> I have never coded on a real PDP-1 but I have owned a PDP-11/23+ and Pro 350 amongst others
2008-03-14 05:38 * toresbe has a PDP-11/73 and /83 here in the appartment
2008-03-14 05:39 < toresbe> plus an /03 in pieces
2008-03-14 05:39 < Mimsy> toresbe: ah yes those. neat
2008-03-14 05:39 < toresbe> I *love* my PDP-11/73: It's built into a desk.
2008-03-14 05:39 < Mimsy> I owned the main board section of a PDP-11/70 as well
2008-03-14 05:39 < toresbe> oh, very nice.
2008-03-14 05:39 < Mimsy> the backplane and the board set and console
2008-03-14 05:39 < Mimsy> that was about it
2008-03-14 05:40 < Mimsy> I sold it to a DEC Collector to use as spares with his
2008-03-14 05:40 < toresbe> aha, nice.
2008-03-14 05:40 < toresbe> http://wepump.in/music/vap0r-killefnet.mp3
2008-03-14 05:40 < toresbe> whoops
2008-03-14 05:40 < toresbe> http://toresbe.dreamhosters.com/photos/PDP11/big/IMG_4177.JPG
2008-03-14 05:40 < Mimsy> County Government owned them originally.. the 23+ and the 70
2008-03-14 05:41 < Mimsy> 23+ had 2x RL02 datapack drives and a RX-02 Floppy added.
2008-03-14 05:41 < Mimsy> i think it was RX-02
2008-03-14 05:41 < Mimsy> double sided 8" DEC drive
2008-03-14 05:41 < Dissentor> The oldest box I owned was this: http://pc-museum.com/gallery/MacClassic.jpg
2008-03-14 05:41 < Mimsy> Oh yes I remember those Dissentor
2008-03-14 05:42 < Mimsy> I ran PC Flight Simulator under Emulation on one of those Mac Classics back in high school
2008-03-14 05:42 * bumm13 has never owned any really old computers
2008-03-14 05:42 < Dissentor> Wow. I didn't really do any thing on it.
2008-03-14 05:42 * toresbe -> school
2008-03-14 05:43 < Dissentor> It's in storage somewhere.
2008-03-14 05:43 < Mimsy> I took Graphic Arts twice for Extra Credit, was my favorite course, They used Macs
2008-03-14 05:43 < Dissentor> I hope my dad didn't trash it, though I trust that he knows it's not junk.
2008-03-14 05:43 < Mimsy> They also had an OLD digital Linotype machine that nobody else figured out how to work.
2008-03-14 05:43 < Mimsy> S-100 bus computer in that thing
2008-03-14 05:43 < Dissentor> All through middle school, they used Macs. Agreement with Apple.
2008-03-14 05:44 < Mimsy> 23 boards
2008-03-14 05:44 < Dissentor> Problem is, all the Macs sucked. Haven't liked 'em since.
2008-03-14 05:44 < Mimsy> Dissentor: in my High School they had a contract with IBM... they had mostly PS/2 model 30/286s with Windows 3.0
2008-03-14 05:44 < Mimsy> The Graphic Arts lab was the only one with Macs
2008-03-14 05:45 < Mimsy> I use Windows MacOS and *NIX every day
2008-03-14 05:45 < Mimsy> Those PS/2s pretty well stunk but at least they had Color VGA
2008-03-14 05:45 < Dissentor> Old school.
2008-03-14 05:46 < Mimsy> I ran Battle Chess and Simcity quite a lot on the library PS/2s
2008-03-14 05:46 < Mimsy> yeah
2008-03-14 05:46 < Dissentor> Battle Chess!
2008-03-14 05:46 < Dissentor> I played that before. :o
2008-03-14 05:46 < Dissentor> The animations were... interesting.
2008-03-14 05:46 < Mimsy> It's cute
2008-03-14 05:46 < Dissentor> Haha.
2008-03-14 05:46 < Mimsy> hehe yeah
2008-03-14 05:47 < Dissentor> SimCity, I mostly liked setting off disasters.
2008-03-14 05:47 < Dissentor> Instead of playing it properly.
2008-03-14 05:47 < Mimsy> ah yes, also good for the CHEAT code for money
2008-03-14 05:47 < Mimsy> <SHIFT> F U N D
2008-03-14 05:47 * Mimsy grins
2008-03-14 05:47 < Dissentor> :P
2008-03-14 05:48 < Dissentor> First computer game I played extensively was Age of Empires II.
2008-03-14 05:48 < Mimsy> The Macs were good for Desktop Publishing at least.
2008-03-14 05:48 < TheWeasel> for me it was Sim City 2000.
2008-03-14 05:48 < Mimsy> I also used Aldus Pagemaker on Windows 3.0... what an experience that was
2008-03-14 05:49 < bumm13> heh
2008-03-14 05:49 < Dissentor> What year was that?
2008-03-14 05:49 < Mimsy> The Main computer in the Graphic Arts class was a Mac IIci with a VERY Expensive 3 PASS color scanner
2008-03-14 05:49 < Mimsy> that thing took forever
2008-03-14 05:49 < bumm13> I'll bet :x
2008-03-14 05:50 < Mimsy> 1991 and 1992
2008-03-14 05:50 < Mimsy> I graduated in 1993
2008-03-14 05:50 < Dissentor> I was two years old in 1993.
2008-03-14 05:50 < Dissentor> Next year, Jackie Kennedy died.
2008-03-14 05:50 < bumm13> my middle school had a Mac II(something) that had some sort of music education programs
2008-03-14 05:50 < Gambit> O_O
2008-03-14 05:50 < Dissentor> Don't know why I remember that specifically.
2008-03-14 05:50 < bumm13> (in the music area)
2008-03-14 05:50 < Dissentor> Ever heard of the MIRACLE piano teaching program?
2008-03-14 05:51 < bumm13> yep
2008-03-14 05:51 < bumm13> my old neighbor had it for his SNES
2008-03-14 05:51 < Dissentor> I used that for quite awhile.
2008-03-14 05:51 < Dissentor> Still have it actually.
2008-03-14 05:51 < Mimsy> I think it was a Microtek, and it always seemed to have a blown Flourissant tube
2008-03-14 05:51 < Dissentor> All I remember is I used MS-DOS to load it.
2008-03-14 05:51 < Dissentor> And I shot ducks.
2008-03-14 05:51 < Mimsy> I beleive it took something like 3:30 to do a Color pass
2008-03-14 05:51 < bumm13> this room also had an Apple IIc, a LASER IIe clone and a fancy music keyboard with a 3.5" floppy drive and LCD display :x
2008-03-14 05:52 < Dissentor> Hahahaha floppy disks.
2008-03-14 05:52 < Mimsy> That is an enternity when you have a long line for the scanner
2008-03-14 05:52 < Dissentor> Grew up with the 3.5 for school projects.
2008-03-14 05:52 < bumm13> Mimsy: indeed
2008-03-14 05:52 < Mimsy> Yeah we used 3.5 Floppies for our work
2008-03-14 05:52 < bumm13> 5.25" was the norm in my beginning days ;)
2008-03-14 05:52 < bumm13> but I'm not old enough to remember 8" floppies
2008-03-14 05:52 < Mimsy> oh yes when I was starting with computers, it was 5.25"
2008-03-14 05:53 < Dissentor> Computer teacher showed us those things in fifth grade.
2008-03-14 05:53 < Mimsy> 1982
2008-03-14 05:53 < Dissentor> We regarded them like tools from the Stone Age.
2008-03-14 05:53 < Werdna> then all the inches got sent out in spam emails
2008-03-14 05:53 < bumm13> Dissentor: they suck
2008-03-14 05:53 < Mimsy> I have been seriously working with computers ever since then at age 7
2008-03-14 05:53 < Dissentor> Figures.
2008-03-14 05:53 < Werdna> ha. 7?
2008-03-14 05:53 < Dissentor> Seven. *whistles*
2008-03-14 05:53 < bumm13> largely due to being a tad frail (not counting their ancient-ness)
2008-03-14 05:53 < Dissentor> No internet back then.
2008-03-14 05:53 < Dissentor> Yeah, weren't the 8" actually floppy?
2008-03-14 05:53 < Werdna> lols. I learned visual basic by correspondence at 6 :)
2008-03-14 05:54 < bumm13> yep
2008-03-14 05:54 < bumm13> as were the 5.25"
2008-03-14 05:54 * Dissentor chuckles.
2008-03-14 05:54 < Mimsy> Internet since 1969
2008-03-14 05:54 < Mimsy> well it wasn't really an "inter-net" back then
2008-03-14 05:54 * Dissentor thanks Al Gore.
2008-03-14 05:54 < bumm13> :-p
2008-03-14 05:54 < Mimsy> you can't have an Internet with 1 network
2008-03-14 05:54 < bumm13> Mimsy: it didn't use TCP/IP until 1983 or so
2008-03-14 05:54 < Dissentor> Yeah, kind of ruins the "inter" part.
2008-03-14 05:54 < Mimsy> bumm13: that is right and NCP before that
2008-03-14 05:55 < bumm13> yes
2008-03-14 05:55 < Mimsy> Network Control Protocol
2008-03-14 05:55 < bumm13> all before my time ;)
2008-03-14 05:55 < Mimsy> The principals are the same though
2008-03-14 05:55 < bumm13> *principles ;)
2008-03-14 05:55 < Mimsy> yes i know
2008-03-14 05:56 < Mimsy> Too early to speel hehe
2008-03-14 05:56 < bumm13> the first thing I ever used with a CPU in it was my old Atari 2600 :)
2008-03-14 05:56 < bumm13> that was given to me
2008-03-14 05:56 < bumm13> (1985 or so)
2008-03-14 05:57 < Mimsy> I was given an Atari 2600 in 1981.
2008-03-14 05:57 < bumm13> :)
2008-03-14 05:57 * Mimsy I had an Atari 2600, a Colecovision and a Vectrex when I was growing up
2008-03-14 05:57 < bumm13> I started school in late 1985; first used a IIe in late 1986
2008-03-14 05:58 < bumm13> you must not have been poor, then ;p
2008-03-14 05:58 < Mimsy> well Middle Class
2008-03-14 05:59 < bumm13> I think I remember seeing commercials for the ColecoVision on TV
2008-03-14 05:59 < Mimsy> My first computer was a Coleco ADAM
2008-03-14 05:59 < bumm13> heehee
2008-03-14 05:59 < Mimsy> I wish I asked for a Commodore 64
2008-03-14 05:59 < bumm13> damn power setup on those ADAM computers ;p
2008-03-14 05:59 < Mimsy> bumm13: how is that?
2008-03-14 05:59 < bumm13> have to own the printer, right?
2008-03-14 05:59 < Mimsy> It comes with the printer
2008-03-14 06:00 < bumm13> yes
2008-03-14 06:00 < bumm13> which was fine in 1983
2008-03-14 06:00 < bumm13> for collectors, it's a pain in the butt :P
2008-03-14 06:00 < Mimsy> The Power Supply is a heavy Linear type inside the printer
2008-03-14 06:00 < bumm13> yeah
2008-03-14 06:00 < Mimsy> I knew the guy who wrote the tape and printer routines for the ADAM EOS
2008-03-14 06:00 < bumm13> cool
2008-03-14 06:00 < Mimsy> They had a prototype printer catch fire when they were testing the thing
2008-03-14 06:01 < bumm13> haha
2008-03-14 06:01 < Mimsy> They had windows in the office you could not open
2008-03-14 06:01 < bumm13> :(
2008-03-14 06:01 < Mimsy> So they threw a chair into the window to "open it"
2008-03-14 06:01 < Mimsy> He worked for a Firm who were under contract with Coleco
2008-03-14 06:02 < Mimsy> in Toronto
2008-03-14 06:02 < Mimsy> It is kinda funny how I found out he did that...
2008-03-14 06:02 * Dissentor frolics around in Toronto.
2008-03-14 06:02 < Mimsy> He was in my old Amateur Radio Club... one day we got talking about computers and I told him about my first computer
2008-03-14 06:03 < Mimsy> "Oh I wrote part of the EOS!"
2008-03-14 06:03 < Mimsy> that and OS7
2008-03-14 06:03 < Mimsy> the EOS is the Lower Level stuff
2008-03-14 06:03 * Mimsy Elementary Operating System
2008-03-14 06:04 < Mimsy> That computer is a bit of a Strange Duck
2008-03-14 06:04 < Mimsy> But it was a good basic Word Processor with a Great Keyboard
2008-03-14 06:06 < toresbe> 11:51 < Mimsy> I think it was a Microtek, and it always seemed to have a blown Flourissant tube
2008-03-14 06:06 < toresbe> Mimsy: you mean fluorescent?
2008-03-14 06:07 < theINC_> Flourissant is a town in Misouri
2008-03-14 06:07 < theINC_> true story.
2008-03-14 06:07 < bumm13> theINC_: it is
2008-03-14 06:07 < bumm13> suburb of St. Louis
2008-03-14 06:08 < bumm13> *Florissant
2008-03-14 06:08 < theINC_> it would be very interesting if they made lots of fluorescent tubes.
2008-03-14 06:08 < theINC_> brrrb
2008-03-14 06:11 < NotACow> Messedrocker: go away, troll.