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2008-03-13 15:00 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Raul654_by_David_Shankbone.jpg
2008-03-13 15:00 < Ceiling_Cat> that's me holding little man
2008-03-13 15:00 < privatemusings> he's yours!
2008-03-13 15:01 < privatemusings> that's cool...!
2008-03-13 15:01 < Ceiling_Cat> No
2008-03-13 15:01 < Ceiling_Cat> he's david shankbone's dog
2008-03-13 15:01 < privatemusings> ah - I see it's at a meetup....
2008-03-13 15:01 < privatemusings> cute little fella.....
2008-03-13 15:01 < privatemusings> (and the dog's pretty cool too..... ;-) )
2008-03-13 15:02 < Ceiling_Cat> : )
2008-03-13 15:02 * Mike_H vomits
2008-03-13 15:03 * privatemusings pats mike on the back, and offers a tissue.....
2008-03-13 15:03 < Mike_H> privatemusings: I'm sorry, I tend to have that reaction when people talk about douchebags
2008-03-13 15:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Douchebag?
2008-03-13 15:03 < Ceiling_Cat> Who?
2008-03-13 15:03 < privatemusings> who is the the bag of mentioned douche variety?
2008-03-13 15:03 < privatemusings> :-)
2008-03-13 15:04 < Mike_H> David Douchebag.
2008-03-13 15:04 < Ceiling_Cat> I like David
2008-03-13 15:04 < Mike_H> I don't.
2008-03-13 15:04 < privatemusings> I don't know him.
2008-03-13 15:04 < Ceiling_Cat> He takes a lot of pictures. A *lot* of pictures
2008-03-13 15:04 < privatemusings> but I quite like the name 'Shankbone'
2008-03-13 15:04 < Ceiling_Cat> mostly the really hard kind to get - good pics of living celebs
2008-03-13 15:05 < Mike_H> And he fights you tooth and nail if you say anything negative about his attitude.
2008-03-13 15:05 < Ceiling_Cat> I helped him get his wiki-news press credentials
2008-03-13 15:05 < Mike_H> Usually with false accusations and editing chat transcripts to make you look bad and him look good.
2008-03-13 15:06 < privatemusings> do I recall that David was very upset recently, and retired?
2008-03-13 15:06 * The359 accuses Mike_H of being a lollyphile
2008-03-13 15:07 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - David aquired a stalker
2008-03-13 15:07 < Mike_H> privatemusings: The scenario I just laid out was after he {{retired}}
2008-03-13 15:07 < Ceiling_Cat> who harassed him repeatedly
2008-03-13 15:07 < nsh> know what can fuck off? this type of shit: "We're sorry. We have detected that you are outside of the United States. This service is currently only available to residents within the United States. "
2008-03-13 15:07 < Mike_H> he went after me quite viciously
2008-03-13 15:07 < nsh> that's the kind of shit that can seriously fuck off
2008-03-13 15:07 < Mike_H> I would normally say it was lulz
2008-03-13 15:07 < Ceiling_Cat> nsh - what service?
2008-03-13 15:07 < nsh> rhapsody
2008-03-13 15:07 < Mike_H> but it's not lulz when it happens to you.
2008-03-13 15:07 < Ceiling_Cat> ah
2008-03-13 15:07 < Pilotguy> BLAME CANADA!
2008-03-13 15:08 < Ceiling_Cat> well that's the music industry
2008-03-13 15:08 < Ceiling_Cat> they are a bunch of douches, who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes
2008-03-13 15:08 * Pilotguy pets Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-13 15:08 * Ceiling_Cat is gonna need an awfully big wall
2008-03-13 15:09 < Cyrius> I haven't checked, has anyone vandalized the britannica article with that?
2008-03-13 15:09 < privatemusings> *interestingly a version of wikipedia from 2015 which fell through a wormhole near me indicates that they were a bunch of douches, who were first against the wall when the revolution came.
2008-03-13 15:09 < Ceiling_Cat> cyrius - lol
2008-03-13 15:09 < Mike_H> privatemusings: So in short, David had a tantrum and decided to take all of his anger or whatever out on me
2008-03-13 15:09 < Cyrius> I know everyone and their brother has put "mostly harmless" on [[Earth]]
2008-03-13 15:09 < Mike_H> it was pretty damn scary.
2008-03-13 15:09 < privatemusings> bad luck mike....
2008-03-13 15:10 < privatemusings> sounds like you got beat with the wrong end of a stick.....
2008-03-13 15:10 < Mike_H> I don't care if he had a stalker on his ass from the KGB, that behavior really got me pissed off and if he died in a ditch tomorrow I wouldn't care.
2008-03-13 15:10 * Ceiling_Cat gives Mike_H an obligatory huggle
2008-03-13 15:10 * Mike_H gives Ceiling_Cat some moar catz
2008-03-13 15:10 < Cyrius> I have a cat you can have
2008-03-13 15:10 * privatemusings has too much british reserve to make it a group huggle but stands awkwardly nearby ...
2008-03-13 15:11 < Cyrius> er, I suppose "you can has" would be more appropriate
2008-03-13 15:11 * Ceiling_Cat shaves cyrius's cat
2008-03-13 15:11 * Mike_H tackles privatemusings
2008-03-13 15:11 * privatemusings crumbles..!
2008-03-13 15:11 < Ceiling_Cat> You must be this cute: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:CurledSphynx.jpg
2008-03-13 15:11 < Ceiling_Cat> to ride the ride
2008-03-13 15:11 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=9578594726&ref=mf
2008-03-13 15:11 * Cyrius shudders just at the mention of a sphynx
2008-03-13 15:11 < Mike_H> it requires you to log into facebook
2008-03-13 15:12 < Mike_H> hope you remembered your password!
2008-03-13 15:12 < nsh> hence is evil.
2008-03-13 15:12 * Ceiling_Cat shaves cyrius too
2008-03-13 15:12 * Ceiling_Cat pets cyrius_sphynx_cat
2008-03-13 15:13 < Mike_H> rofl
2008-03-13 15:13 < Mike_H> someone on brc started a thread "can you do an edit for me"
2008-03-13 15:13 < Mike_H> and someone was like "okay, done, why couldn't you do it?"
2008-03-13 15:13 < Mike_H> and he wrote back
2008-03-13 15:13 < Mike_H> "I gave up Wiki for Lent"
2008-03-13 15:13 < Mike_H> :o
2008-03-13 15:15 < Cyrius> if he gave i up for sanity, that would have made more sense
2008-03-13 15:17 * Mike_H assumes good cake
2008-03-13 15:17 < Cyrius> the cake is a lie
2008-03-13 15:19 < Mike_H> the kid is not my son
2008-03-13 15:20 < NotACow> Mike_H: just how many sons do you have?
2008-03-13 15:20 < privatemusings> who mentioned cake?
2008-03-13 15:20 < privatemusings> now i'm hungry........
2008-03-13 15:21 < NotACow> WHEN COME BACK BRING PIE
2008-03-13 15:21 < privatemusings> or pi.
2008-03-13 15:21 < Pilotguy> AYE AYE CAPTAIN
2008-03-13 15:21 < Mike_H> NotACow: Billie Jean is not my lover!
2008-03-13 15:21 < Mike_H> The kid is not my son!
2008-03-13 15:21 < NotACow> Mike_H: i should hope not!
2008-03-13 15:21 < NotACow> Mike_H: she's so totally not your type.
2008-03-13 15:21 * Mike_H NP: Michael Jackson - Billie Jean (1982)
2008-03-13 15:21 < privatemusings> i've heard bad things about billie...
2008-03-13 15:21 < privatemusings> she's a bit free and easy, I reckon.....
2008-03-13 15:21 < privatemusings> but she was good at tennis....
2008-03-13 15:21 < Mike_H> privatemusings: She's just a girl
2008-03-13 15:22 < privatemusings> a girl that i once knew....
2008-03-13 15:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Billie Jean is based on the real-life lawsuit Jackson had to fend off in the early 80s
2008-03-13 15:22 < Ceiling_Cat> some crazy fan accused him of fathering her baby
2008-03-13 15:22 < Ceiling_Cat> (Oh, how wrong she was)
2008-03-13 15:22 < privatemusings> oh how he'd aprpeciate a lawsuit like that now.....
2008-03-13 15:22 < Mike_H> In the music video
2008-03-13 15:22 * Ceiling_Cat offers Mike_H some [[Jesus juice]]
2008-03-13 15:22 < Mike_H> who is that on the billboard
2008-03-13 15:22 < Mike_H> Diana Ross
2008-03-13 15:22 < Mike_H> and someone else.
2008-03-13 15:22 < Mike_H> I don't recognize the white girl.
2008-03-13 15:23 < Ceiling_Cat> privatemusings - after Michael Jackson was aquitted, he approached some British publicist who is recognized as the best PR guy in the world
2008-03-13 15:23 < Ceiling_Cat> and the british guy turned him down, saying
2008-03-13 15:23 < privatemusings> not max clifforf?
2008-03-13 15:23 < privatemusings> clifford..
2008-03-13 15:23 < Ceiling_Cat> saying he'd be the hardest job in PR after Saddam Hussien
2008-03-13 15:24 < privatemusings> yup it's about max clifford...
2008-03-13 15:24 < privatemusings> i'd say there's a good chance max just made that up....
2008-03-13 15:24 < Ceiling_Cat> now I don't care how much ass you tap, being compared to a guy who gasses his own people has to hurt
2008-03-13 15:24 < privatemusings> he's like that!
2008-03-13 15:25 < privatemusings> odious chap.....
2008-03-13 15:25 < Ceiling_Cat> the archbishop of mosul was killed today
2008-03-13 15:26 < Thehelpfulone2> really? o.o
2008-03-13 15:26 < privatemusings> found dead actually - i think...
2008-03-13 15:26 < Ceiling_Cat> he was abducted and killed
2008-03-13 15:26 < privatemusings> i think he'd been missing for a while (not sure though....) hang on......
2008-03-13 15:26 < Ceiling_Cat> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7295145.stm
2008-03-13 15:26 < privatemusings> yeah - kidnapped last month
2008-03-13 15:26 < privatemusings> sad though.
2008-03-13 15:27 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Mar Paulos Faraj Rahho]]
2008-03-13 15:28 < Mike_H> That sounds like a Brazilian name.
2008-03-13 15:28 < Ceiling_Cat> quite possibly
2008-03-13 15:29 < Ceiling_Cat> most catholic clergy are now coming from south american and africa
2008-03-13 15:29 < Ceiling_Cat> america*
2008-03-13 15:31 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Oh come now, Saddam Hussein did *some* good things... just like Hitler! ;)
2008-03-13 15:31 * Mike_H NP: Michael Jackson - Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough (1979)
2008-03-13 15:31 * Mike_H dances with NotACow
2008-03-13 15:31 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - in all seriousness, iraq was a staunchly anti-terrorist country before we invaded them
2008-03-13 15:31 < Ceiling_Cat> al queda wanted him dead more than anyone
2008-03-13 15:32 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Yeah. Saddam and Osama considered themselves mortal enemies.
2008-03-13 15:32 < Ceiling_Cat> and the iraqi security forces killed abu nidal in 2002
2008-03-13 15:32 < Ceiling_Cat> (Nidal was one of the most wanted terrorists in the world)
2008-03-13 15:32 < Ceiling_Cat> funny story about that
2008-03-13 15:32 < Ceiling_Cat> They claimed he killed himself rather than be captured
2008-03-13 15:32 < Ceiling_Cat> unfortunately, he had 6 bulletse in his head
2008-03-13 15:32 < Ceiling_Cat> which sort-of contradicts that story
2008-03-13 15:32 < mexicanbanana> What kind of machine is "APF-*1000/IM"? Some sort of gaming device, but Google and Wikipedia doesn't find it. Yet it exists (seen on Gamefaqs.com). Can you help me?
2008-03-13 15:33 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Wasn't Nidal the one who attacked the El-Al offices?
2008-03-13 15:34 < Ceiling_Cat> yes
2008-03-13 15:34 < quanticle> mexicanbanana: A model number like that could be applied to anything from a gear to a gantry crane...
2008-03-13 15:41 < mexicanbanana> quanticle: ?
2008-03-13 15:48 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Holocene extinction event]]
2008-03-13 15:48 < Ceiling_Cat> :O
2008-03-13 15:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Present day — the Holocene extinction event. 70% of biologists view the present era as part of a mass extinction event, possibly one of the fastest ever, according to a 1998 survey by the American Museum of Natural History.
2008-03-13 15:51 < Scarton> es este el canal de la wiki?XD
2008-03-13 15:51 < Ceiling_Cat> Any future installments were on hold due to the WGA Strike, 2007. Prior to the strike JMS urged Warner Brothers to commission a new DVD as they were suitably impressed with the sales for the first DVD. However, Warner Brothers felt that the WGA would not go on strike and as such refused to speed up the bureaucratic process; in their words "We don't want to be pressured in the process because we know there's not going to be a strike this year, we ca
2008-03-13 15:51 < Ceiling_Cat> Nooooooooooo!!!
2008-03-13 15:53 < OverlordQ> future installments of what?
2008-03-13 15:54 < Ceiling_Cat> Babylon 5 - the lost tales
2008-03-13 15:58 < morwen> Ceiling_Cat: me and my friends are (re)watching it every wednesday, 2 or 3 episodes. just got as far as "The War Prayer"
2008-03-13 15:59 < Ceiling_Cat> lame, that's like the 6th episode
2008-03-13 15:59 < Ceiling_Cat> :P
2008-03-13 15:59 < morwen> we did only start last month!
2008-03-13 15:59 < morwen> 2 of us have somehow never seen it before
2008-03-13 16:00 < Ceiling_Cat> had you never seen it?
2008-03-13 16:00 < morwen> 3 of us have seen entire run before
2008-03-13 16:00 < OverlordQ> :O
2008-03-13 16:00 < gwern> THE SPICE MUST FLOW
2008-03-13 16:00 < morwen> so it is exciting to watch their faces
2008-03-13 16:06 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGEXUEdQvKg&feature=related
2008-03-13 16:06 < Ceiling_Cat> droooooool.........
2008-03-13 16:07 < ucaose> Vi è un intruso qui
2008-03-13 16:08 < ucaose> Qualcuno qui non dovrebbe essere qui
2008-03-13 16:11 < OverlordQ> wtf how'd pikachu lose
2008-03-13 16:11 < OverlordQ> he died the least
2008-03-13 16:11 < ucaose> ?
2008-03-13 16:13 < Miranda|away> ucaose: are you from #wikipedia-it?
2008-03-13 16:15 < Cyrius> mexicanbanana: still here?
2008-03-13 16:15 < kibble> ucaose: Che significa lei?
2008-03-13 16:16 * Cyrius pokes mexicanbanana
2008-03-13 16:16 < kibble> Cyrius: === mexicanbanana: idle for 29 minutes, 54 seconds (on since Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:24:42 PM)
2008-03-13 16:16 < Cyrius> yeah
2008-03-13 16:16 < ucaose> Qualcuno è qui, che non deve essere Miranda|away
2008-03-13 16:16 < Cyrius> but I've been idle longer while still at the keyboard
2008-03-13 16:16 < kibble> :-)
2008-03-13 16:17 < kibble> ucaose: Lei non parla il senso
2008-03-13 16:17 < Cyrius> guess he doesn't need an answer to his earlier question
2008-03-13 16:17 < ucaose> ok
2008-03-13 16:18 < Cyrius> it's actually a kinda neat machine
2008-03-13 16:21 < Golbez> yays i has a tivo
2008-03-13 16:23 < Compression_Cat> Golbez: can't remember if you're an op, or if you retired from it?
2008-03-13 16:23 < Mike_H> Golbez: I has a job with a CBS affiliate
2008-03-13 16:23 < ST47> >.>
2008-03-13 16:23 < Mike_H> I win
2008-03-13 16:23 < Compression_Cat> Golbez: wiki op...
2008-03-13 16:23 < ucaose> O_O
2008-03-13 16:23 < ucaose> O_O
2008-03-13 16:23 < kibble> Compression_Cat: we call those "admins"
2008-03-13 16:23 * ST47 whacks ucaose
2008-03-13 16:23 < kibble> sysops... administrators too
2008-03-13 16:23 < Golbez> Compression_Cat- yes, i am an admin
2008-03-13 16:23 * Compression_Cat burries his face
2008-03-13 16:24 < Golbez> Mike_H- congrats on your oneupmanship
2008-03-13 16:24 < Compression_Cat> Golbez: pm ok?
2008-03-13 16:24 < Golbez> sure
2008-03-13 16:24 < OverlordQ> I have a job doing nothing, I win.
2008-03-13 16:24 < Golbez> i wish dalnet did the same "registered this amount of time" for nicks that freenode does
2008-03-13 16:25 < Golbez> i would love for it to say "Registered: 12 years 5 days ago"
2008-03-13 16:28 < mexicanbanana> Cyrius: Yeah. I am here.
2008-03-13 16:28 < mexicanbanana> Cyrius: Did you actually find out?
2008-03-13 16:28 < Cyrius> [[APF Imagination Machine]]
2008-03-13 16:29 < Cyrius> they made the APF-M1000, aka the APF-MP1000
2008-03-13 16:29 < mexicanbanana> Ah...
2008-03-13 16:29 < mexicanbanana> What about the asterisk used at Gamefaqs?
2008-03-13 16:29 < Cyrius> it had two names, the asterisk is wildcard
2008-03-13 16:30 < Cyrius> APF-*1000 is not an actual model
2008-03-13 16:30 < mexicanbanana> Oh...
2008-03-13 16:30 < mexicanbanana> That's silly.
2008-03-13 16:30 < Cyrius> it's a kinda neat machine
2008-03-13 16:30 < Mike_H> I love this lede
2008-03-13 16:30 < Mike_H> from the AP
2008-03-13 16:30 < Mike_H> it reads like sarcasm but it's true
2008-03-13 16:30 < Mike_H> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Oil hit a record high, the dollar sank again, and consumers stopped buying pretty much everything.
2008-03-13 16:31 < Cyrius> Mike_H: heh
2008-03-13 16:31 < mexicanbanana> AP... I thought you were talking about the machine.
2008-03-13 16:31 < Mike_H> Indeed, both crude oil and gasoline prices hit all-time highs on Thursday with crude closing at $110.33 per barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Gasoline prices jumped 2.1 cents a gallon overnight to a national average of $3.267 a gallon, according to AAA and the Oil Price Information Service. Analysts forecast that gasoline prices will keep climbing.
2008-03-13 16:31 < Mike_H> The dollar, meanwhile, dropped anew as global investors worried about the length and severity of any U.S. downturn. The dollar dipped briefly below 100 yen for the first time in 12 years and fell to a new low against the euro.
2008-03-13 16:32 < Golbez> meanwhile, gold hit $1000 an ounce
2008-03-13 16:33 < Golbez> which reminds me, i need to get some silver
2008-03-13 16:33 < Mike_H> The dollar dropped below 100 Japanese yen for the first time since November 1995. It traded as low as 99.75 yen before recovering some ground to change hands at 102.04 yen, unchanged from Wednesday..
2008-03-13 16:33 < mexicanbanana> Cyrius: Where did you read about the APF-MP1000?
2008-03-13 16:33 < Cyrius> mexicanbanana: first external link
2008-03-13 16:33 < Cyrius> which was actually what I found first
2008-03-13 16:34 < Golbez> the petrodollar is struggling, and will likely die in the next five years.
2008-03-13 16:34 < Cyrius> see a source saying the M1000 and MP1000 aren't the same...but says it's "basically the same"
2008-03-13 16:35 < mexicanbanana> Hmm...
2008-03-13 16:51 < Jihoon> can somebody review me at the editor review page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/User:Styrofoam1994 ?
2008-03-13 16:52 < NotASpy> you could at least get the page correct
2008-03-13 16:52 < Jihoon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Styrofoam1994
2008-03-13 16:52 < NotASpy> yay
2008-03-13 16:54 < Jihoon> so can you review
2008-03-13 16:58 < Cyrius> "annoys people on IRC to get them to review him"
2008-03-13 16:59 * Cyrius hides
2008-03-13 17:00 < Jihoon> cyrius!
2008-03-13 17:00 < Jihoon> i'm not annoying you, i was just impatient with my review because it was there for weeks and nobody paid attention
2008-03-13 17:00 < Cyrius> Jihoon: it was a joke
2008-03-13 17:00 < Jihoon> ok
2008-03-13 17:01 < NotASpy> Jihoon: make enemies, that'll get you comments on either your editor review, or your block log.
2008-03-13 17:01 < Jihoon> so am i making enemies right now?
2008-03-13 17:01 < NotASpy> probably. You generally make enemies on Wikipedia when you begin editing.
2008-03-13 17:01 < Cyrius> no, but we're growing convinced you're taking things too seriously =)
2008-03-13 17:02 < Jihoon> would they be n00b vandals or admins?
2008-03-13 17:02 < NotASpy> Jihoon: n00b vandalising admins, probably.
2008-03-13 17:02 < Jihoon> ok :P
2008-03-13 17:16 < Lady_Aleena> Hello...can an article be over referenced?
2008-03-13 17:17 < bogdan2005> Lady_Aleena: it depends on the kind of references.
2008-03-13 17:17 < bogdan2005> Lady_Aleena: if they are all scholarly references, then no, it can't be overreferenced.
2008-03-13 17:17 < bogdan2005> (unless you put more than a reasonable number of cites for each fact)
2008-03-13 17:18 < bogdan2005> Lady_Aleena: which is the article?
2008-03-13 17:18 < Lady_Aleena> bogdan, well, currently I have only one primary reference for the article, using the subpages of the web site as references. I am planning on adding references from another web site to compliment the first.
2008-03-13 17:18 < Lady_Aleena> The rough draft is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Television/Crossovers
2008-03-13 17:19 < bogdan2005> Lady_Aleena: I would argue that's not a reliable source (it's just some guy's website) and it should not be used, but that's just me :P
2008-03-13 17:19 < Lady_Aleena> The problem I am looking at is the idea that there may be more superscripted numbers than regualr text.
2008-03-13 17:20 < Lady_Aleena> bogdan, this site has been referenced in several publications.
2008-03-13 17:20 < Lady_Aleena> that site I mean.
2008-03-13 17:20 < bogdan2005> Lady_Aleena: that doesn't make it reliable.
2008-03-13 17:20 < bogdan2005> Lady_Aleena: reliable means content control.
2008-03-13 17:21 < bogdan2005> Lady_Aleena: peer-review (as in journals) or editorial control (as in newspapers and magazines)
2008-03-13 17:21 < bogdan2005> Lady_Aleena: or something that gives it some credibility (for instance being an official site or something)
2008-03-13 17:21 < bogdan2005> in this case, it's just some guy's site.
2008-03-13 17:22 < Lady_Aleena> It is only 1 of 2 websites that deal primarily in television cross overs and this one is far more notable that the other.
2008-03-13 17:22 < bogdan2005> Lady_Aleena: I'd argue that the topic doesn't belong to Wikipedia, then. But considering the amount of trash is already included, this won't do any harm. :-)
2008-03-13 17:22 < Lady_Aleena> The only other way to present the information would smack of OR, which would kill the article completely.
2008-03-13 17:23 < bogdan2005> anyway, I think that usually the standards for pop-culture are more lax than those for history, politics or science.
2008-03-13 17:24 < Lady_Aleena> I thought since the source was covered in The Boston Globe, Geek magazine, and Macleans if might be notable enough to serve as a reference.
2008-03-13 17:24 < Lady_Aleena> bogdan, it is a pretty large area that isn't completely covered. :)
2008-03-13 17:25 < Lady_Aleena> I mentioned I was writing this article over on the IMDb boards and now have a couple people who can't wait to read it.
2008-03-13 17:26 < bogdan2005> :-)
2008-03-13 17:26 < Lady_Aleena> So, I need another reference...but what happens when the superscripts overrun the text?
2008-03-13 17:27 < bogdan2005> hmm?
2008-03-13 17:28 < Lady_Aleena> There is almost 1 reference per sentence, and some sentences have more than one within them. A few have up to 4 references before the end punctuation. Adding more will make it worse for some of those sentences.
2008-03-13 17:29 < Phoenix-wiki> LOLOLOLOLOL XD http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/av-86732.jpg
2008-03-13 17:29 < Lady_Aleena> Phoenix-wiki: Before I go to look at an image, I would like to know why I should. What is the purpose of that image?
2008-03-13 17:30 < Cyrius> it's not worth it
2008-03-13 17:30 < Phoenix-wiki> It;s an avatar, and it's one of the funniest I've ever seen XD
2008-03-13 17:34 < Casull> hey guys is it appropriate to give only one warning to someone who deletes a section of text and replaces it with "SOmething something my cock?"
2008-03-13 17:35 < Mike_H> uh, yeah.
2008-03-13 17:35 < bogdan2005> Casull: yup
2008-03-13 17:35 < Casull> well the reason i ask is because if i just give them one warning then can i add them to the admin intervention area with only one warning?
2008-03-13 17:40 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah
2008-03-13 17:40 < Phoenix-wiki> but that isn't bad vandalism, that's average vandalism
2008-03-13 17:41 < Casull> ehh, i'd say average vandalism is more along the lines of blanking
2008-03-13 17:42 < Phoenix-wiki> no
2008-03-13 17:42 < Phoenix-wiki> average = replacing page with HELLO JOHN SMITH IS A GAY BITCH FUCKER ASS AND WE ALL HATE HIM
2008-03-13 17:44 < Casull> ehhhh...
2008-03-13 17:45 < Casull> i still say that's obviously vandalism and not some accidental delete, and therefore deserves only one warning before receiving the banhammer for a second offsense
2008-03-13 17:45 < Casull> *offense
2008-03-13 17:45 < Phoenix-wiki> yeah, but epople give 3-4 warnings lol
2008-03-13 17:46 < Casull> Hey, I'll give people who could possibly blank accidentally 3 to 4 warnings
2008-03-13 17:46 < Casull> if they're obviously vandalizing with references to gay nigger cock then in my opinion they only need one warning
2008-03-13 17:46 < Phoenix-wiki> I never give mroe than 2
2008-03-13 17:47 < NotASpy> warnings are a waste of your time, your bandwidth and the foundation's bandwidth.
2008-03-13 17:47 < Cyrius> depends
2008-03-13 17:47 < Casull> the main problem is that if i were to report them, i'd be worried that the admin who looked at the admin intervention page would go OOOPS NO THREE WARNINGS LEAVE ALONE
2008-03-13 17:47 < Phoenix-wiki> no they wouldn't
2008-03-13 17:47 < Phoenix-wiki> admins are sensible or they wouldn't be admins
2008-03-13 17:47 < NotASpy> vandals will either stop once they've been reverted once or twice, or they'll keep going until they have to be blocked.
2008-03-13 17:49 < Casull> the problem is that the admin could potentially say that the vandal was never warned for his actions and thought he wouldn't be blocked, which is a valid argument
2008-03-13 17:50 < Casull> well, in today's politically correct mindset, anyway, but i'm not here to argue political correctness
2008-03-13 17:52 < Lycurgus> that's pc of you
2008-03-13 17:55 < peyote> It was revealed that not only did Jimbo Wales sell out Wikipedia to corporate interests by using his status to wipe the disfavorable articles of donors, but also bang a girl who had her naughty actions detailed on Wikipedia, and then proceed to dump her in a public announcement on the website (pure class, Jimbo).
2008-03-13 17:56 < peyote> Wikipedia has articles on Uncyclopedia, which has 1/5th the traffic and 1/10th the media coverage of ED, proving that the dismissals of ED as "non-notable" are a political veneer for the anti-ED sentiment that pervades Wikipedia's upper echelon. The supposed non-notability of ED defies every litmus test they've held to the hundreds of other websites that there are articles on.
2008-03-13 17:56 < mavhc> so fork it
2008-03-13 17:56 < gwern> peyote: where are you getting it, and can I have some?
2008-03-13 17:57 < peyote> It becomes clear that Wikipedia is more of "a catalogue of the human knowledge that we all can agree that we like, in the way that we can most agree that it should be presented". The "we" in the previous sentence means a small, bureaucratic clique of morons who live with their mom and have all day to engage in pointless nerd disputes over what should be in an internet encyclopedia. It is a plutocracy of social currencies, a tyranny of
2008-03-13 17:57 < peyote> the least productive.
2008-03-13 17:57 < mavhc> so why haven't you forked it?
2008-03-13 17:57 < Cyrius> mavhc: because he's an ED troll and he'd rather bother us than do something hard
2008-03-13 17:58 * gwern reads through the references section of uncyclopedia, and is impressed how well it meets WP:WEB; ED never met those standards
2008-03-13 17:59 * Cyrius sighs
2008-03-13 18:03 < gwern> http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/ <-- I find watching the edits come in strangely relaxing
2008-03-13 18:04 < harry9562> Wikipedians are a tightly-knit clique who don't take kindly to naysayers and skepticism. Any attempt to criticize Wikipedia will be regarded as "trolling" and the critic will be banned.
2008-03-13 18:05 < Lady_Aleena> Any television buffs here? (Hopes there are)
2008-03-13 18:05 < Cyrius> no, we just get tired of people telling us what we're like.
2008-03-13 18:05 < Kerotan> Wow that map is awesome.
2008-03-13 18:06 < Kerotan> Who is this harry person anywho?
2008-03-13 18:06 < Cyrius> Lady_Aleena: Mike_H? =)
2008-03-13 18:06 < Cyrius> Kerotan: just a troll
2008-03-13 18:06 < Golbez> harry9562- if that were the case then why are you still here? =p
2008-03-13 18:06 < harry9562> case in point
2008-03-13 18:06 < Cyrius> probably the same person I threw out a few mintues ago
2008-03-13 18:06 < harry9562> "just a troll"
2008-03-13 18:06 < Cyrius> funny how that works
2008-03-13 18:06 < Golbez> harry9562- case in point? you said the critic will be banned. qed, you are incorrect.
2008-03-13 18:06 < dtobias> Alexa stats show that ED consistently has more traffic than Uncyclopedia.
2008-03-13 18:06 < harry9562> i will be banned
2008-03-13 18:06 < Cyrius> saying "and they call us trolls"
2008-03-13 18:06 < harry9562> just watch
2008-03-13 18:07 < Golbez> no, i'm sure you already would have been
2008-03-13 18:07 < Cyrius> so that I can't call you a troll without "proving" your point
2008-03-13 18:07 < Golbez> as you can see, the sword of damocles hovers, young one
2008-03-13 18:07 < dtobias> If I call myself a troll, can I ban myself?
2008-03-13 18:07 < harry9562> Cyrius: well what does that tell you?
2008-03-13 18:07 < Kerotan> Why do you care anyway, its not like wikipedia is taking your tax dollars...
2008-03-13 18:07 * Golbez gives himself 5 points for referencing the Sword of Damocles
2008-03-13 18:07 < Cyrius> it tells me you failed logic
2008-03-13 18:07 < harry9562> Cyrius: I'm not trying to troll anything. I'm just trying to spread the truth.
2008-03-13 18:07 * dtobias pulls a sword from a stone, and becomes the king
2008-03-13 18:07 < Golbez> dtobias- self-termination is not allowed by our programming
2008-03-13 18:07 * Mike_H is going to watch some Golden Girls
2008-03-13 18:07 < Mike_H> bbl
2008-03-13 18:08 < Golbez> harry9562- prove it
2008-03-13 18:08 < Cyrius> Lady_Aleena: well, I guess Mike_H isn't going to be as helpful as I had hoped
2008-03-13 18:08 < Golbez> if it's truth then it can be proven by your banning. yet you have not been banned.
2008-03-13 18:08 < Golbez> therefore you have disproven your own words
2008-03-13 18:08 < harry9562> everything i have said is true
2008-03-13 18:08 < Golbez> victory is ours
2008-03-13 18:08 < Mike_H> Cyrius: what?
2008-03-13 18:08 < dtobias> I think, therefore I am banned.
2008-03-13 18:08 < Golbez> also, that map of the edits coming in is bloody awesome
2008-03-13 18:08 < Cyrius> Mike_H: Lady_Aleena was loooking for a "television buff"
2008-03-13 18:08 < mavhc> looks like a troll, smells like a troll, acts like a troll
2008-03-13 18:08 < Mike_H> Okay, fine, is this going to take long?
2008-03-13 18:09 < Golbez> mavhc- but does it float?
2008-03-13 18:09 < Golbez> maybe harry9562 is made of wood
2008-03-13 18:09 < Cyrius> seriously, he's set up the preconditions that if we call him a troll and ban him, we are therefore part of the truth-hating clique
2008-03-13 18:09 < mavhc> does he weigh as much as a duck?
2008-03-13 18:09 < Golbez> Cyrius- what should we do then? just leave him be?
2008-03-13 18:09 < dtobias> duck duck goose
2008-03-13 18:09 < Golbez> oh wait, does quieting count as a ban?
2008-03-13 18:09 < Cyrius> Golbez: tell him to fuck off because we're not playing his game?
2008-03-13 18:09 < Golbez> we need a judgment here
2008-03-13 18:09 * Golbez clears his throat:
2008-03-13 18:10 < harry9562> i'm not playing a game
2008-03-13 18:10 < Golbez> harry9562, fuck off because we're not playing your game.
2008-03-13 18:10 < Golbez> did it work?
2008-03-13 18:10 < mavhc> harry9562: so fork it
2008-03-13 18:10 < Cyrius> it's like "the game" people insisting that everyone who has heard of it is playing
2008-03-13 18:10 < Mike_H> Well?
2008-03-13 18:10 < Lady_Aleena> I was looking for a proof reader for an article I am writing. A television person would probably be able to handle it better than a non-television person.
2008-03-13 18:10 < Golbez> Cyrius- xkcd finally fixed that problem
2008-03-13 18:10 < Lady_Aleena> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Television/Crossovers
2008-03-13 18:10 < Mike_H> Lady_Aleena: Oh, I don't want to proofread right now
2008-03-13 18:10 < Cyrius> Golbez: did you see his forums, people were pissed off at him =)
2008-03-13 18:10 < Mike_H> I want to lie down and watch Golden Girls
2008-03-13 18:10 < harry9562> i think there is a serious problem with the concept of information being controlled by majority consensus
2008-03-13 18:10 < Golbez> Cyrius- rofl, those poor idiots. =p
2008-03-13 18:10 < Lady_Aleena> You might enjoy the read...*shrugs*
2008-03-13 18:11 < Golbez> harry9562- example?
2008-03-13 18:11 < mavhc> harry9562: so start your own website, you can even take all the wp data if you want
2008-03-13 18:11 < Mike_H> I'll enjoy the read in a couple of hours
2008-03-13 18:11 < Mike_H> bbl
2008-03-13 18:11 < harry9562> encyclopedia dramatica is, in fact, a notable website
2008-03-13 18:11 < Cyrius> who should control it?
2008-03-13 18:11 < Golbez> oh
2008-03-13 18:11 < mavhc> if you're right your site will become more popular, wikipedia will die, and you can dance on its grave
2008-03-13 18:11 < Cyrius> mavhc: and point and laugh at us too
2008-03-13 18:11 < Golbez> i mean, really guys
2008-03-13 18:11 < Golbez> we can deal with, even respect, some good trolls
2008-03-13 18:11 < mavhc> yes, feel free to point and laugh also
2008-03-13 18:12 < Golbez> but the ED thing is so dead and buried, there's no point whatsoever to waste your own time, let alone hours, digging it up
2008-03-13 18:12 < Cyrius> "What we see in Wiki is the ultimate in relativism - the 'consensus' decides what's truth, which I think we can all agree is patently absurd."
2008-03-13 18:12 < Golbez> at least he didn't insist on GNAA getting an article.
2008-03-13 18:12 < mavhc> {soforkit} answers so many critics, it's great
2008-03-13 18:12 < Cyrius> nice freudian slip with ours/hours =)
2008-03-13 18:12 < Lady_Aleena> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/necromancer.htm
2008-03-13 18:13 < Golbez> however, technically, harry has not been banned. (or has he? /q == /mode +b %)
2008-03-13 18:13 < Cyrius> I've been amused by that quote for 3 years now
2008-03-13 18:13 < mavhc> looks banned from here
2008-03-13 18:13 < Cyrius> "...the 'consensus' decides what's truth, which I think we can all agree is patently absurd."
2008-03-13 18:13 < Messedrocker> quel quote?
2008-03-13 18:14 < Golbez> mavhc- but if the command used was /mode +q, does that count even though technically it's a form of a ban?
2008-03-13 18:14 < Cyrius> "We all agree that consensus is ridiculous!"
2008-03-13 18:14 < Golbez> hm
2008-03-13 18:14 < Golbez> this is a conundrum. :|
2008-03-13 18:14 < Golbez> long story short
2008-03-13 18:14 < Golbez> harry9562
2008-03-13 18:14 < Cyrius> he's not prevented from joining or watching, it's not a ban. conundrum solved
2008-03-13 18:14 < Golbez> if you want the ED article back
2008-03-13 18:15 < Golbez> try WP:DRV again (the last one was 3 months ago) and WP:RFC, and - this is the best option - draft a ...
2008-03-13 18:15 < Golbez> you twat!
2008-03-13 18:15 * Cyrius goes and registers wpplusedarticle.com
2008-03-13 18:15 < Golbez> I WAS GIVING YOU HELPFUL ADVICE
2008-03-13 18:15 < Golbez> :(
2008-03-13 18:15 < Cyrius> WPplusEDarticle.com
2008-03-13 18:15 < Golbez> Cyrius- that would be double plus ungood.
2008-03-13 18:15 < dtobias> Actually, they just had an ED DRV last week, so it'll be a while before it can be tried again.
2008-03-13 18:15 < Cyrius> did they? that's probably why they've been in here again lately
2008-03-13 18:15 < dtobias> If it's noncommercial, it should be WPplusEDarticle.org.
2008-03-13 18:16 < mavhc> can't add too many websites, we'll run out of disk space
2008-03-13 18:16 < larry1831> but since wikipedians have held a petty grudge against the website due to things that have happened in the past, encyclopedia does not get an article. is this fair?
2008-03-13 18:16 < dtobias> Or maybe WPplusEDarticle.info to be informational.
2008-03-13 18:16 < Cyrius> dtobias: it'd obviously be so popular it'd need ads to support it =)
2008-03-13 18:16 < mavhc> larry1831: so fork it
2008-03-13 18:16 < Cyrius> fair? who said anything about fairness?
2008-03-13 18:16 < dtobias> Some people find it a matter of principle that articles shouldn't be excluded due to grudges.
2008-03-13 18:16 < larry1831> is wikipedia supposed to be about suppressing information based on internet grudges?
2008-03-13 18:17 < mavhc> yes
2008-03-13 18:17 < Cyrius> WP is supposed to be about writing an encyclopedia full of verifiable information
2008-03-13 18:17 < mavhc> haven't you read the charter?
2008-03-13 18:17 < mavhc> subsection 8.3.9 I think
2008-03-13 18:17 < Cyrius> and hating ED
2008-03-13 18:17 < dtobias> I'm in that category. I don't even *like* ED, and have never been a registered user or edited that site, but I'm opposed on principle to grudge-based decisions.
2008-03-13 18:17 < larry1831> your opinions on a website shouldn't be a factor in whether or not it gets an article
2008-03-13 18:17 < larry1831> it should be about notability
2008-03-13 18:17 < mavhc> you've not read subsection 8.3.9 I see
2008-03-13 18:17 < Aqwis> it isn't, larry1831, but as long as WP is on the internet it's going to be reality that a fair amount of users don't want the article due to "grudges" or similar
2008-03-13 18:18 < larry1831> and since uncyclopedia gets an article, then encyclopedia dramatica should get one too
2008-03-13 18:18 < larry1831> let's not have double standards here
2008-03-13 18:18 < mavhc> why not?
2008-03-13 18:18 < dtobias> Double standards suck.
2008-03-13 18:18 < Golbez> larry1831
2008-03-13 18:18 < mavhc> it's twice as many standards, that's good for everyone
2008-03-13 18:18 < NotACow> DEATH!
2008-03-13 18:18 < Aqwis> hmz
2008-03-13 18:18 < Golbez> as i was saying before you left
2008-03-13 18:18 < dtobias> Sauce for the goose, sauce for Uganda, or however that silly expression goes.
2008-03-13 18:18 < Aqwis> jimbo decided that making an article on Uncyc would earn him more money?
2008-03-13 18:18 < NotACow> if wikipedia had double standards, that would be an improvement
2008-03-13 18:18 < larry1831> oh fantastic, i can't get information about something from wikipedia because the users don't like it.
2008-03-13 18:19 < Golbez> if you really want ED to get an article, draft an article in your userspace, make it properly sourced, well-written, then bring up a DRV
2008-03-13 18:19 < mavhc> yep, so fork it
2008-03-13 18:19 < Messedrocker> larry1831, it's an unencyclopedic topic
2008-03-13 18:19 < Cyrius> NotACow: oh hush, we've got enough trolling happening
2008-03-13 18:19 < Golbez> if your article is valid, it will be allowed. if not, it won't. surely that's the best option, yes? also keeps a shitty article out?
2008-03-13 18:19 < NotACow> Cyrius: you can never have enough trolling.
2008-03-13 18:19 < Cyrius> yes, yes you can
2008-03-13 18:19 < Messedrocker> troll parole!
2008-03-13 18:19 < Quendus> I can?
2008-03-13 18:19 < Aqwis> Messedrocker, it's not inherently unencylopaedic
2008-03-13 18:19 < dtobias> troll control!
2008-03-13 18:19 < Quendus> :D
2008-03-13 18:19 < Cyrius> Quendus: obviously.
2008-03-13 18:19 < larry1831> Messedrocker: Hah, and Uncyclopedia isn't?
2008-03-13 18:20 < Golbez> larry1831, why don't you do that?
2008-03-13 18:20 < mavhc> larry1831: have you forked wp yet?
2008-03-13 18:20 < Quendus> thanks Cyrius
2008-03-13 18:20 < larry1831> Uncyclopedia is encyclopedic, but Encyclopedia Dramatica isn't?
2008-03-13 18:20 < Messedrocker> larry1831, is there 3rd party information on uncyclopedia?
2008-03-13 18:20 < mavhc> stop chatting and get to it
2008-03-13 18:20 < Quendus> what is it I can do?
2008-03-13 18:20 < mavhc> quickly now
2008-03-13 18:20 < Cyrius> Quendus: ...has cheezburger?
2008-03-13 18:20 < Golbez> larry1831- respond to my suggestion please, you could be spending this time making a great article instead of bitching about it like a child
2008-03-13 18:20 < larry1831> actually i can't
2008-03-13 18:20 < dtobias> The sum of all human knowledge except the stuff we have a grudge against. The encyclopedia anyone can edit, except the people we have a grudge against.
2008-03-13 18:20 < Quendus> meh, I just hased pizza and I'm full :(
2008-03-13 18:20 < Aqwis> Messedrocker, the register article it seems, various other news articles
2008-03-13 18:20 < Golbez> sure you can
2008-03-13 18:21 < larry1831> the articles i want to create are locked to prevent re-creation
2008-03-13 18:21 < Cyrius> larry1831 can't type, so he can't write a good version
2008-03-13 18:21 < Golbez> larry1831- i said do it in your userspace
2008-03-13 18:21 < Golbez> and then you can say, here's a good article, let's remake this thing
2008-03-13 18:21 < dtobias> Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, war is peace.
2008-03-13 18:21 < Messedrocker> the minute there is 3rd party documentation and analysis of ED with any academic merit is when they deserve an article in an encyclopedia
2008-03-13 18:21 < Cyrius> he's illiterate
2008-03-13 18:21 < larry1831> why my userspace? why can't it be part of the actually encyclopedia?
2008-03-13 18:21 < Aqwis> Messedrocker, "academic merit"?
2008-03-13 18:21 < Messedrocker> yes.
2008-03-13 18:21 < mavhc> larry1831: have you finished forking wp yet? I want to use your version
2008-03-13 18:21 < Messedrocker> we're an encyclopedia, remember?
2008-03-13 18:21 < Aqwis> define academic merit
2008-03-13 18:22 < Messedrocker> Aqwis, it displays some intelligence, and is a reliable source
2008-03-13 18:22 < dtobias> Does [[Britney Spears]] have analysis with academic merit?
2008-03-13 18:22 < Golbez> larry1831- because it has been removed by process, it will have to be put back by process. we want to see a good article before we unlock it. those are our terms. make a good article, we'll let it in. otherwise, nothing doing.
2008-03-13 18:22 * Cyrius wonders why people want so badly for ED to have an article
2008-03-13 18:22 < Messedrocker> dtobias, certainly
2008-03-13 18:22 < Cyrius> seriously, why do you people care?
2008-03-13 18:22 < dtobias> Cyrius: Because it's a matter of principle that petty grudges shouldn't get in the way of coverage.
2008-03-13 18:22 < Golbez> Cyrius- the same reason 4chan idiots are threatening suicide and murder: nothing better to do
2008-03-13 18:23 < Cyrius> dtobias: not you, him. most of the people complaining about it aren't motivated by principle
2008-03-13 18:23 < Cyrius> they just want it to have an article
2008-03-13 18:23 < dtobias> But I get regularly lumped in with them, guilt by association... people like JzG and MONGO keep saying I'm evil.
2008-03-13 18:23 < larry1831> encyclopedia dramatica has made an appearance on msnbc news.
2008-03-13 18:23 < Aqwis> then you should stop worrying about the "other people", as dtobias' reason is all that's needed
2008-03-13 18:23 < Messedrocker> larry1831, okay, one appearance. does anyone care about it beyond a one-appearance?
2008-03-13 18:24 < larry1831> has uncyclopedia been on the news?
2008-03-13 18:24 < Cyrius> dtobias: I lump you in with NotACow =P
2008-03-13 18:24 < dtobias> And it was mentioned in the New York Times Magazine.
2008-03-13 18:24 < Aqwis> define "mentioned"
2008-03-13 18:24 < dtobias> I'm not a bull either.
2008-03-13 18:24 < Aqwis> trivial mentions are irrelevant for WP
2008-03-13 18:24 < larry1831> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y6LqhrdAxg
2008-03-13 18:24 < Golbez> larry1831- at this point, we don't care until you can make an article. til then, there's no point in unlocking the name.
2008-03-13 18:24 < Golbez> so
2008-03-13 18:24 < Golbez> go make your article
2008-03-13 18:24 < Golbez> we'll wait here
2008-03-13 18:24 < dtobias> Somebody just tried it, but the DRV failed.
2008-03-13 18:25 < Cyrius> what does the world lose from ED not having a WP article?
2008-03-13 18:25 < Aqwis> you can say the same about almost every Wikipedia article, Cyrius
2008-03-13 18:25 < Messedrocker> what does the world lose from Cyrius's grandmother not having a Wikipedia article?
2008-03-13 18:26 < Cyrius> Aqwis: yeah, it's a crap argument =)
2008-03-13 18:26 < dtobias> Those sort of arguments are always selectively applied against things that you personally don't like.
2008-03-13 18:26 < Messedrocker> "Nana Cyrius, born a long time ago, is the grandmother of Cyrius. She is known for her excellent chocolate chip cookies..."
2008-03-13 18:26 < Cyrius> what does the world gain from WP having an article about ED?
2008-03-13 18:26 < larry1831> Cyrius: Your argument is a complete fallacy
2008-03-13 18:26 < dtobias> DEATH TO DOUBLE STANDARDS!
2008-03-13 18:26 < larry1831> i'm saying that Wikipedia has no real reason to not have an article about ED
2008-03-13 18:27 < Cyrius> Messedrocker: my grandmothers never made me cookies =(
2008-03-13 18:27 < Golbez> yes we do
2008-03-13 18:27 < Snowolf> well, when they'll take the down the page about a certain enwiki administrator, I might agree
2008-03-13 18:27 < Messedrocker> yeah
2008-03-13 18:27 < Cyrius> there's the reason that it's going to be a pain in the ass to maintain it against EDers out for "lulz"
2008-03-13 18:27 < Messedrocker> there are some pages i disagree with there being
2008-03-13 18:27 < larry1831> the only reason anyone could come up with to keep it off ED is non-notability, and that's been disproven by it's traffic rating and it's appearances in news articles and live tv
2008-03-13 18:27 < dtobias> Snowolf: So you're making the point that it's basically a personal grudge.
2008-03-13 18:27 * faroframkallande knows who Snowolf is on about and agrees
2008-03-13 18:28 < larry1831> its a grudge, and nothing more
2008-03-13 18:28 < Messedrocker> there is most likely a grudge element, but there's also the fact that there is no significance to the existence of ED
2008-03-13 18:28 < mavhc> notability is based on traffic? interesting, didn't read that rule
2008-03-13 18:28 < faroframkallande> larry1831: traffic ratings mean shit. Anyone can write a bot to wget a webpage a thousand times
2008-03-13 18:28 < Messedrocker> significance is what merits inclusion in an encyclopedia
2008-03-13 18:28 < faroframkallande> and unlike Uncyclopedia, no-one's written a full article about ED
2008-03-13 18:28 < larry1831> and its not just the grudge
2008-03-13 18:28 < dtobias> And significance is defined elastically to encompass the stuff you like and exclude the stuff you don't like.
2008-03-13 18:29 < larry1831> i just realized
2008-03-13 18:29 < Cyrius> I still don't know why people so desperately want ED to have an article in WP
2008-03-13 18:29 < dtobias> [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]
2008-03-13 18:29 < Messedrocker> Cyrius, because Wikipedia articles are a status symbol
2008-03-13 18:29 < Quendus> um, what actually happened to the article? I don't see another AfD page for it; was it speedily deleted or something?
2008-03-13 18:29 < Cyrius> Messedrocker: I don't get that
2008-03-13 18:29 < mavhc> dtobias: yeah, it's like being lawyers, it's great
2008-03-13 18:29 < dtobias> Flip it on its head. I still don't know why people so desperately want ED to *not* have an article in WP.
2008-03-13 18:29 < Cyrius> Quendus: it was originally deleted years ago
2008-03-13 18:29 < Messedrocker> Cyrius, Wikipedia is a popular site. Having an article stay up about you on the most popular website in the world (save for seven others) means something
2008-03-13 18:29 < mavhc> except without the huge wads of cash, damn
2008-03-13 18:29 < larry1831> another big reason wikipedians don't want an ED article is ED has information like this: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Nathanr
2008-03-13 18:29 < Messedrocker> It's like having a statue of you in a major city
2008-03-13 18:30 < Golbez> k cy
2008-03-13 18:30 < mavhc> Messedrocker: ED = stalin?
2008-03-13 18:30 < Golbez> you take this one
2008-03-13 18:30 < dtobias> Ooooh... you linked to it... God will smite you.
2008-03-13 18:30 < Quendus> hm, ok
2008-03-13 18:30 < Cyrius> that's not "information"
2008-03-13 18:30 < faroframkallande> "I am gravely troubled by allowing any linking to a site that contains overt and extreme harassment of editors here who are minors." Newyorkbrad, as an official arbitrator statement
2008-03-13 18:30 < Messedrocker> larry1831, as I said, I am sure editors hold grudges against ED, but the fact is that there is no merit for its inclusion on an encyclopedia
2008-03-13 18:30 < dtobias> Yes, the site's incredibly tasteless... but we link to stuff like Stormfront.
2008-03-13 18:30 < Golbez> Messedrocker
2008-03-13 18:30 < Messedrocker> it's yet another website. deal with it.
2008-03-13 18:30 < Golbez> it's okay
2008-03-13 18:31 < faroframkallande> dtobias: I fucking hate the guy for what he did to me, but I don't think he deserves the ED article
2008-03-13 18:31 < Golbez> you don't have to talk to him anymore
2008-03-13 18:31 < Cyrius> photoshops of flying penises is not information
2008-03-13 18:31 < Messedrocker> Golbez, I already had the statement prepared
2008-03-13 18:31 < Golbez> ah. :)
2008-03-13 18:32 < Mike_lifeguard> [[testing]]
2008-03-13 18:32 < Mike_lifeguard> booo
2008-03-13 18:32 < Painezor> {{failing}}
2008-03-13 18:32 < Mike_lifeguard> Does anyone know where the unilinky code is stored?
2008-03-13 18:32 < Messedrocker> happy 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716 day
2008-03-13 18:32 < Golbez> good call Cyrius
2008-03-13 18:33 < Cyrius> oh, hey, pi day
2008-03-13 18:33 < Cyrius> hooray for the silly US date format
2008-03-13 18:34 < Messedrocker> it's not silly
2008-03-13 18:34 < roland-home> it's silly
2008-03-13 18:34 < Golbez> it's not silly
2008-03-13 18:34 < Cyrius> it is silly, except for allowing pi day to exist
2008-03-13 18:34 < elmacenderesi> yea?
2008-03-13 18:34 < Golbez> Cyrius- don't forget, british format allows for the OTHER pi day.
2008-03-13 18:34 < Golbez> July 22.
2008-03-13 18:35 < Cyrius> that's pi approximation day
2008-03-13 18:35 < Cyrius> entirely different
2008-03-13 18:35 < mavhc> so do you wait for 3:09 pm?
2008-03-13 18:35 < faroframkallande> Cyrius: 22/7 is a better approximation than 314/100
2008-03-13 18:35 < Golbez> faroframkallande has a good point