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2008-03-12 08:24 < arcimboldo_> Bill Bryson used to be one of the journalists in the good old times. ..
2008-03-12 08:24 < Tony_Sidaway> I used to like Harold Evans' Sunday Times.
2008-03-12 08:25 < Tony_Sidaway> Better than The Observer (which was eventually bought up by the Guardian)
2008-03-12 08:25 < zocky> mexicanbanana, nothing but humans is intelligent in the human way. dolphins and apes are smart as animals go, but they're still "dumb" compared to even the dumbest human. and there's no way to compare the intelligence of apes and dolphins directly
2008-03-12 08:25 < zocky> mexicanbanana, dolphins are good at a lot of stuff that apes can't do at all, and vice-versa
2008-03-12 08:25 < Tony_Sidaway> When I worked at the Guardian off Farringdon Road we sometimes used to have to pop down to the old Observer office. Pokey little thing.
2008-03-12 08:25 < Mike_H> If Jimmy's going to be in the news this much, he needs Botox.
2008-03-12 08:25 < yao_ziyuan> there's someone called Wang Jingwei planting a bomb trying to kill a royal member
2008-03-12 08:25 < Mike_H> He's looking worse than poor Deirdre Barlow.
2008-03-12 08:25 < arcimboldo_> So the Private Eye remained as the only good newspaper in England ...
2008-03-12 08:26 < yao_ziyuan> someone saw his burying the bomb and informed the government
2008-03-12 08:26 < yao_ziyuan> he was jailed
2008-03-12 08:26 < yao_ziyuan> he was willing to die
2008-03-12 08:26 < yao_ziyuan> but the government didn't even have the guts to execute him
2008-03-12 08:26 < Tony_Sidaway> If you'd tasted Chinese prison food, you'd be ready to die.
2008-03-12 08:26 < yao_ziyuan> and soon the dynasty was overthrown
2008-03-12 08:26 < yao_ziyuan> read about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Jingwei
2008-03-12 08:26 < mexicanbanana> zocky: I see. But I still think a monkey who can count and use a simple computer etc. should be considered more intelligent in the human sense than a dolphin, regardless of its echo signals and swimming around helping folks etc.
2008-03-12 08:27 < Mike_H> That could be Jimmy's next headline
2008-03-12 08:27 < Mike_H> WIKI BOSS SHACKS UP WITH DEIRDRE BARLOW
2008-03-12 08:27 < Mike_H> Will she return to Ken?
2008-03-12 08:27 < zocky> mexicanbanana, dolphins can do that too
2008-03-12 08:27 < mexicanbanana> (I guess dolphins can do a lot of tricks as well.)
2008-03-12 08:27 < Tony_Sidaway> When I see the term "royal member" it makes me think of the squidgy tape.
2008-03-12 08:27 < mexicanbanana> zocky: Hmm...
2008-03-12 08:27 < yao_ziyuan> i doubt this government has the guts to execute that Xinjiang girl
2008-03-12 08:27 < NotACow> mexicanbanana: dolphins can solve siimple puzzles.
2008-03-12 08:28 < Lycurgus> does freenode have Mandarin channels?
2008-03-12 08:28 < zocky> mexicanbanana, dolphins are better at 3D vision stuff, monkeys are better at manual tasks.
2008-03-12 08:28 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: yes, #ubuntu-cn, #ubuntu-tw, #fedora-cn
2008-03-12 08:28 < Lycurgus> thanks.
2008-03-12 08:28 < zocky> and both can understand simple sentences, i.e. subject verb object
2008-03-12 08:28 < nadis> hi, yao_ziyuan, are you Chinese ?
2008-03-12 08:28 < yao_ziyuan> of course
2008-03-12 08:29 < Tony_Sidaway> Dolphins are HOPELESS at threading needles.
2008-03-12 08:29 < nadis> me too
2008-03-12 08:29 < nadis> i'm here just to pick up something
2008-03-12 08:29 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, you should see how bad monkeys are at hunting squid
2008-03-12 08:30 * zocky suspects that dolphin intelligence tends to be overestimated because they look like fish
2008-03-12 08:31 < bumm13> over-?
2008-03-12 08:31 < zocky> bumm13, yes
2008-03-12 08:32 < zvook> yeah, compared to fish rather than monkeys compared to humans
2008-03-12 08:32 < Lycurgus> "Wang Jingwei, the "Chinese Quisling" from the en wp art.
2008-03-12 08:32 < bumm13> fish are known to be of great intelligence?
2008-03-12 08:32 < Tony_Sidaway> I think my favorite American newspaper is the Christian Science Monitor. Its politics are different but it has a more Guardianish feel than the other American newspapers.
2008-03-12 08:32 < bumm13> oh, I see
2008-03-12 08:32 < mexicanbanana> Fishes are known to be stupid...
2008-03-12 08:32 < Lycurgus> dolphins are not fish
2008-03-12 08:32 < Tony_Sidaway> Does a decent news review, too.
2008-03-12 08:32 < zocky> bumm13, I suspect that when somehting that looks like a fish does something that we find normal for a mammal, we're more likely to find it amazing, I think
2008-03-12 08:32 < mexicanbanana> What is zocky talking about?
2008-03-12 08:33 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: that was his later half of life
2008-03-12 08:33 < Tony_Sidaway> Dolphin intelligence looks amazing because (except for the male's penis, which is used socially as an auxiliary limb) they have no hands.
2008-03-12 08:34 < Lycurgus> don't you think his collaboration with the Japanese wipes out anything good he did earlier?
2008-03-12 08:34 < zvook> interesting aside there, tony
2008-03-12 08:34 < zocky> there was some extremely silly article on BBC news the other day about monkeys combining their calls and how that's the same as human language
2008-03-12 08:34 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: it's complex
2008-03-12 08:34 < Tony_Sidaway> zvook: I can't resist introducing a penis reference into any discussion.
2008-03-12 08:35 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: some people in china at that time thinks japanese rule was better than the then kuomintang regime
2008-03-12 08:35 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: Hu Shih (www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Shih) even wrote a poem for that mood
2008-03-12 08:35 < zvook> at least you confine yourself to mere references
2008-03-12 08:35 < yao_ziyuan> you know taiwan was ruled by the japanese
2008-03-12 08:35 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, given enough time, we can expect the penis to evolve a hand with opposable thumb?
2008-03-12 08:35 < Tony_Sidaway> But I do think it's why we tend to be astounded by the intelligence of the cetaceans.
2008-03-12 08:35 < yao_ziyuan> and many taiwanese liked that memory
2008-03-12 08:36 < Lycurgus> yes I suppose they were a model after Meiji
2008-03-12 08:37 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: it probably lacks the necessary bone articulation. I think it's unlikely to evolve usable digits.
2008-03-12 08:37 < zocky> under every occupation some people think that the occupation is better than the local regime
2008-03-12 08:37 < zocky> those people are called traitors, quislings, etc.
2008-03-12 08:37 * Tony_Sidaway thinks the Norman occupation of England is okay so far.
2008-03-12 08:37 < Lycurgus> I once had a (white) boss who told me that the word for Japanese in Chinese was "small dumb pirates". So far as I can tell it was a complete fabrication.
2008-03-12 08:37 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Shih#Sample_work
2008-03-12 08:38 < Mike_H> Gail's going to be pushed down the stairs on Friday's Corrie.
2008-03-12 08:38 < Mike_H> About time.
2008-03-12 08:38 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: this was translated by me to english
2008-03-12 08:38 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, the people who thought so at the time were called traitors
2008-03-12 08:38 < yao_ziyuan> many chinese thought japanese rule at least was a rule of law, gives more freedom
2008-03-12 08:39 < zocky> and racial inferiority?
2008-03-12 08:39 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: interesting aside. The county of Kent still has the mottoe "Invictus" because they reached terms with William and never opposed him in battle. For this he granted them certain privileges.
2008-03-12 08:39 < yao_ziyuan> after Wang Jingwei was jailed,
2008-03-12 08:40 < yao_ziyuan> the Qing royal family member, who he attempted to bomb, personally went to the prison to see him
2008-03-12 08:40 < Tony_Sidaway> On the other hand the North of England rose up against him, so he thoroughly trashed the place.
2008-03-12 08:40 < yao_ziyuan> that royal member was keen at reforming china,
2008-03-12 08:41 < yao_ziyuan> so that their regime could be saved
2008-03-12 08:41 < yao_ziyuan> from western aggression and domestic unease
2008-03-12 08:41 < Lycurgus> unrest
2008-03-12 08:41 < yao_ziyuan> ok
2008-03-12 08:41 < Lycurgus> turmoil actually
2008-03-12 08:41 < arcimboldo_> #@*# Lou Dobbs
2008-03-12 08:42 < yao_ziyuan> the royal member didn't blame Wang for trying to assassinate him
2008-03-12 08:42 < yao_ziyuan> instead he wanted to discuss state policies with Wang
2008-03-12 08:42 < yao_ziyuan> he wanted to save Qing dynasty
2008-03-12 08:42 < Lycurgus> where did you learn English?
2008-03-12 08:42 < yao_ziyuan> ...
2008-03-12 08:42 < yao_ziyuan> don't change topic
2008-03-12 08:43 < yao_ziyuan> Wang didn't want to "correct" Qing
2008-03-12 08:43 < Lycurgus> OK, do you think modern chinese seek bourgeois democracy?
2008-03-12 08:43 < yao_ziyuan> he insisted that China must become a democratic republic
2008-03-12 08:44 < yao_ziyuan> and he wrote a poem to manifest his will to die
2008-03-12 08:44 < Lycurgus> (to replace the bourgeois stalinism they have now)
2008-03-12 08:44 < bumm13> Mike_H: (about stairs) lol
2008-03-12 08:44 < yao_ziyuan> within a year, Sun Yat-sen's 11th uprising succeeded
2008-03-12 08:44 < yao_ziyuan> Qing was overthrown
2008-03-12 08:44 < Mike_H> bumm13: Gail's an annoying bitch and her getting hers down the stairs is quite frankly 34 years overdue
2008-03-12 08:45 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: modern chinese at large? they haven't waken up
2008-03-12 08:45 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: they don't know how much strength is on their side
2008-03-12 08:46 < zocky> or maybe they just think what they have is preferrable to the realistic alternatives?
2008-03-12 08:46 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: so i think copying some western news on science, military tech and humanity can enlighten them
2008-03-12 08:46 < Lycurgus> yao_ziyuan: you're in guangdong, no?
2008-03-12 08:46 < yao_ziyuan> i often do this kind of thing to my college students
2008-03-12 08:47 < yao_ziyuan> an example news story is science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/25/190234
2008-03-12 08:47 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: no
2008-03-12 08:47 < yao_ziyuan> Lycurgus: but guangdong people are supposed to have more guts than han in average
2008-03-12 08:48 < Lycurgus> or right Beigjing
2008-03-12 08:48 < Lycurgus> *oh
2008-03-12 08:48 < Lycurgus> *beijing
2008-03-12 08:48 < yao_ziyuan> i often tell news like "Future Combat Systems" on my college's BBS
2008-03-12 08:48 < yao_ziyuan> that works very much
2008-03-12 08:49 < yao_ziyuan> this story, "Bluetooth Prosthetics Help US Marine To Walk Again",
2008-03-12 08:49 < Lycurgus> bbl
2008-03-12 08:49 < yao_ziyuan> combines three themes: science, US military and humanitarian care
2008-03-12 08:50 < yao_ziyuan> i think news in these 3 themes work best
2008-03-12 08:50 < Aqwis2> BBS O_o
2008-03-12 08:50 < bogdan2005> hey.
2008-03-12 08:50 < bogdan2005> if I want to write a protest related to the "ownership" of a small-language wikipedia by a crank, what should I do?
2008-03-12 08:50 < bogdan2005> crank = a guy who ignores the common spelling of that language and made up his own alphabet.
2008-03-12 08:50 < bogdan2005> his own alphabet based on davanagari, nevertheless.
2008-03-12 08:51 < yao_ziyuan> science news raises people's expectation of quality of life
2008-03-12 08:51 < yao_ziyuan> military tech news raises people's expectation of being liberated
2008-03-12 08:51 < yao_ziyuan> humanitarian news raises people's expectation of their own human rights
2008-03-12 08:52 < yao_ziyuan> just like "US Marine To Walk Again",
2008-03-12 08:52 < bumm13> o.o
2008-03-12 08:52 < yao_ziyuan> so i think such news can let chinese people value their own lives...
2008-03-12 08:53 < yao_ziyuan> any suggestion on what other kinds of news i should propagate into china?
2008-03-12 08:54 < yao_ziyuan> actually there are online chinese forums teaching political ideas and systems
2008-03-12 08:55 < yao_ziyuan> and you can expect most chinese college students to know how the american political system works
2008-03-12 08:55 < yao_ziyuan> but that's superficial i think
2008-03-12 08:55 < yao_ziyuan> i think stories like "Bluetooth Prosthetics Help US Marine To Walk Again" go deepest in people's hearts
2008-03-12 08:58 * Hiya sends <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 to the channel
2008-03-12 09:00 < mexicanbanana> Take your fake-ass hearts and shove them somewhere...
2008-03-12 09:00 < mexicanbanana> Either you give us real Unicode hearts or you can just geeeeeetout!
2008-03-12 09:00 < yao_ziyuan> #linguistics has a unicode heart
2008-03-12 09:01 < mexicanbanana> ♥
2008-03-12 09:01 < yao_ziyuan> "we ♥ your mother"
2008-03-12 09:01 < NotASpy> DEATH TO UNICODE
2008-03-12 09:01 * Hiya sends ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ to the channel
2008-03-12 09:02 < arcimboldo_> 心心心心心心心心心心心心心心
2008-03-12 09:02 < Hiya> uh
2008-03-12 09:02 < Hiya> Today
2008-03-12 09:02 < Hiya> it's Unicode day
2008-03-12 09:03 < mexicanbanana> It's always Unicode day.
2008-03-12 09:03 < mexicanbanana> Unless you live in the 1970s.
2008-03-12 09:03 < arcimboldo_> then it's OCR-2 day
2008-03-12 09:04 * Hiya wants to steal a school program
2008-03-12 09:09 < Mike_H> I haven't followed Corrie in three years. I'm so confused at the new developments.
2008-03-12 09:09 < Mike_H> Vera's died, but Betty hasn't...There are like 15 characters I don't know...Gail's still a bitch...and there's a black girl on the show now
2008-03-12 09:09 < Mike_H> I didn't know black people existed on this show whose name wasn't Fiona Middleton
2008-03-12 09:10 < neohaven> arcimboldo : did you use to play UO?
2008-03-12 09:13 < arcimboldo_> neohaven: what is UO?
2008-03-12 09:13 < neohaven> Ultima Online.
2008-03-12 09:14 < neohaven> but I think you sadly disqualify since you don'T even know what it is lol
2008-03-12 09:14 < arcimboldo_> No, never heard of it.
2008-03-12 09:20 < arcimboldo_> 1.55$
2008-03-12 09:28 < Dau> would anyone like to co-edit an article I just wrote. There has been news updates on the matter (National anthem of Kosovo)?
2008-03-12 09:32 < nsh> let me find my ten foot pole
2008-03-12 09:37 < yao_ziyuan> i have to add something
2008-03-12 09:37 < yao_ziyuan> my grandfather worked as a secretary to Wang Jingwei
2008-03-12 09:37 < yao_ziyuan> lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-03-12 09:37 < yao_ziyuan> in his japanese-collaborative government
2008-03-12 09:38 < nadis> are you seriously ?
2008-03-12 09:38 < nadis> *serious
2008-03-12 09:38 < yao_ziyuan> yes
2008-03-12 09:38 < nadis> wow
2008-03-12 09:39 < yao_ziyuan> it is said that the Kuomintang intentionally split up to two streams
2008-03-12 09:39 < yao_ziyuan> Chiang and Wang
2008-03-12 09:39 < yao_ziyuan> Chiang with america and Wang with japan
2008-03-12 09:39 < yao_ziyuan> so whichever side eventually won the war,
2008-03-12 09:40 < yao_ziyuan> Kuomintang would always a winner
2008-03-12 09:40 < nadis> it seemed like that
2008-03-12 09:40 < yao_ziyuan> but kuomintang still fled to taiwan
2008-03-12 09:41 < yao_ziyuan> it's japan's fault anyway
2008-03-12 09:41 < yao_ziyuan> if japan didn't invade chian
2008-03-12 09:41 < nadis> that's true
2008-03-12 09:42 < yao_ziyuan> also russia
2008-03-12 09:43 < yao_ziyuan> russia would influence china anyway
2008-03-12 09:43 < nadis> it had influenced china much
2008-03-12 09:45 < Leslie_S> did i mention that someone stole my gas cap?
2008-03-12 09:46 < Leslie_S> ;/
2008-03-12 09:46 < ancjr> is that all they stole?
2008-03-12 09:46 < ancjr> gas is a popular commodity these days
2008-03-12 09:46 < Leslie_S> ancjr there are no gas gauge discrepancies, but they couldve taken a small amount without me noticing.
2008-03-12 09:47 < ancjr> yeah
2008-03-12 09:47 < Leslie_S> ancjr they wont be doing it again though. i have a locking gas cap now. :P
2008-03-12 09:47 < ancjr> well, they can still get under the car
2008-03-12 09:47 < ancjr> they've gotten brazen around here
2008-03-12 09:49 < Leslie_S> ancjr theres quite a few old cars like mine around without locking caps
2008-03-12 09:49 < Leslie_S> ancjr you can also damage the cap to get in.
2008-03-12 09:49 < Leslie_S> it locks by disconnecting the outside part from the inside part, and requiring a key to reconnect it....
2008-03-12 09:50 < Leslie_S> you could break the top off and take the bottom out with pliars :P
2008-03-12 09:50 < Leslie_S> but its much easier just to go after cars that you can steal fuel from easily.
2008-03-12 09:50 < ancjr> no, they disconnect the filler hose or opuncture the tank itself
2008-03-12 09:51 < Leslie_S> ancjr the way i said is possible. i didnt say it was ever done.
2008-03-12 09:51 < ancjr> i have a truck, and its too easy
2008-03-12 09:52 < Leslie_S> the modern plastic gas caps that click when theyre tightened all the way are made so that the top can break off in a crash, leaving the bottom in to keep the filler tube sealed.
2008-03-12 09:52 < ancjr> they had my tank halfway off
2008-03-12 09:52 < Leslie_S> ancjr lol.
2008-03-12 09:52 < ancjr> they were actually trying to remove the tank itself
2008-03-12 09:52 < Leslie_S> ancjr what a pain in the ass. i siphoned a chevy astro once (it had a full tank and the whole tank had to be removed)
2008-03-12 09:53 < Leslie_S> chevy astros have a pickup truck type tank
2008-03-12 09:53 < Leslie_S> the tank had to be removed to replace the brake lines ;p
2008-03-12 09:53 < ancjr> well, the bad thing was i was driving around with one of the two gas tank straps completely rmoved, and the other was loose
2008-03-12 09:54 < ancjr> i'd hate to know what happens when the tank falls out on the road
2008-03-12 09:54 < ancjr> i caught it in time
2008-03-12 09:55 < Dau> WP QUESTION:
2008-03-12 09:55 < Dau> should http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:National_Anthems_of_Europe
2008-03-12 09:55 < Dau> have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_anthem_of_Kosovo
2008-03-12 09:55 < Dau> ?
2008-03-12 09:56 < ancjr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe includes kosovo
2008-03-12 09:57 < Dau> I created the anthem page yesterday, and I'm updating it atm, but need help as I'm a beginner on WP
2008-03-12 09:57 < Dau> what do you think?
2008-03-12 09:58 < zvook> i'd wait until there actually is one
2008-03-12 09:59 < Dau> sounds good
2008-03-12 09:59 < zvook> interesting article though, with the Ode to Joy being played
2008-03-12 09:59 < Dau> interesting, that's why I wrote it ;)
2008-03-12 10:00 < ancjr> looks good to me
2008-03-12 10:01 < zvook> the flag of albania is scariest of all the flags.
2008-03-12 10:01 < Leslie_S> ancjr youre lucky it had three then. i thought most of them had two?
2008-03-12 10:01 < Leslie_S> old chevys were two.
2008-03-12 10:02 < NotACow> whee
2008-03-12 10:02 < LordMetroid> Lets exchange one tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants one mile away, yEAH!
2008-03-12 10:02 < ancjr> "...one of the two gas tank straps..."
2008-03-12 10:03 < Aqwis> Dau, prepare for drama whether you include it on the page or not
2008-03-12 10:05 < Dau> I know it's a highly debatable topic
2008-03-12 10:06 < Dau> Does anyone here know Albanian or a similar language?
2008-03-12 10:06 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-12 10:07 * NotACow writes up another quality review, then mulls.
2008-03-12 10:07 < rainman-sr> Dau, albanian is similar to english as it is to any other language
2008-03-12 10:07 < Aqwis> when will you publish Obama and Wikipedia?
2008-03-12 10:07 < NotACow> Aqwis: just did
2008-03-12 10:08 < Aqwis> oh.
2008-03-12 10:08 < NotACow> Aqwis: obama just went up. wikipedia maybe today, maybe tomorrow
2008-03-12 10:10 < NotACow> POCK YOU
2008-03-12 10:10 < The359> Coincidentally, Gordon's first NASCAR Winston Cup Series race, the 1992 Hooters 500 at the Atlanta Motor Speedway, Cooincedentally was also the final race for Richard Petty.
2008-03-12 10:10 * The359 's brain melts
2008-03-12 10:11 < Aqwis> interesting
2008-03-12 10:11 < Aqwis> http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/2008/03/wikipedia-quality-barack-obama.html appears not on your front page
2008-03-12 10:11 < Aqwis> not for me, at least
2008-03-12 10:11 < NotACow> Aqwis: check your browser cache settings, then :)
2008-03-12 10:11 < Aqwis> i've already did a full reload
2008-03-12 10:11 < Aqwis> i'll try opening it in IE
2008-03-12 10:11 < NotACow> Aqwis: it works fine for me.
2008-03-12 10:12 * Mike_H huggles the word "cooincedentally"
2008-03-12 10:12 < NotACow> The359: nice repetition there
2008-03-12 10:12 < Aqwis> ah, there it is
2008-03-12 10:16 < The359> Mike_H http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw1kbHx15kw
2008-03-12 10:19 < NotACow> bwap!
2008-03-12 10:20 < NotACow> bwap bwap bwap
2008-03-12 10:24 * Mike_H NP: Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good (1974)
2008-03-12 10:24 < str4nd> *hoaah*
2008-03-12 10:25 < str4nd> Mike_H: That isn't interesting.
2008-03-12 10:25 < Mike_H> Are you badmouthing Linda?
2008-03-12 10:30 * The359 has a mancrush on John Barrowman
2008-03-12 10:30 < Mike_H> Who wouldn't?
2008-03-12 10:30 < Mike_H> He's like Tom Cruise
2008-03-12 10:30 < Mike_H> but without the closet
2008-03-12 10:30 < Leslie_S> tom cruise is in the closet?
2008-03-12 10:30 < The359> and the Scientology
2008-03-12 10:31 < Mike_H> Leslie_S: He isn't married to Joey from Dawson's Creek just for the handbags
2008-03-12 10:31 < Leslie_S> lols
2008-03-12 10:31 < Leslie_S> hey. do all garbage trucks have two steering wheels?
2008-03-12 10:31 < Mike_H> Do I look like I'd be anywhere near a garbage truck?
2008-03-12 10:32 < Leslie_S> i was looking at one at the junkyard yesterday, and noticed that it had two. I really dont see a purpose.
2008-03-12 10:32 < NotACow> Leslie_S: garbage trucks have steering wheels?
2008-03-12 10:32 < Leslie_S> even worse, is it had two of every gauge. wouldnt it be cheaper to put them in the middle, where you can see them from either side?
2008-03-12 10:32 < Leslie_S> NotACow ...how else would they steer?
2008-03-12 10:32 < Lycurgus> why do people think Tom Cruise is gay?
2008-03-12 10:32 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus because hes hot
2008-03-12 10:32 < Leslie_S> all hot men are gay
2008-03-12 10:33 < NotACow> Leslie_S: i dunno, maybe they're garbage-seeking automata.
2008-03-12 10:33 < The359> New Unimog dumptrucks have a steering wheel and center console that slides from side to side
2008-03-12 10:33 < The359> or garbage trucks
2008-03-12 10:33 < The359> whichever you want
2008-03-12 10:33 < The359> its a Unimog, it can be anything
2008-03-12 10:33 < NotACow> i suspect the dual steering is so people can steer from either side of the trug.
2008-03-12 10:33 < Leslie_S> The359 thats awesome. but .....whats wrong with driving on the normal side?
2008-03-12 10:33 < Leslie_S> NotACow but why?
2008-03-12 10:33 < NotACow> Leslie_S: so you can see better if you're about to take out somemone's mailbox
2008-03-12 10:33 < The359> not as easy to see the curb if you're driving on the other side of the road
2008-03-12 10:33 < Lycurgus> Leslie_S: if that's the case why do you want to be a woman?
2008-03-12 10:34 < NotACow> ouch, that was col
2008-03-12 10:34 < NotACow> d
2008-03-12 10:34 < NotACow> http://billives.typepad.com/portals_and_km/2008/03/how-barack-obam.html
2008-03-12 10:34 < Leslie_S> But if theres an advantage to driving on the wrong side, why put a steering wheel on the right side too?
2008-03-12 10:34 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus what the fuck does that have to do with this?
2008-03-12 10:34 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus dont be a fucking asshole, ok?
2008-03-12 10:34 < Lycurgus> do you prefer ugly guys?
2008-03-12 10:34 < The359> because not every street is the same
2008-03-12 10:34 < The359> and they don't necessarily drive on the same side all the time
2008-03-12 10:35 < Leslie_S> The359 hmm. ok.
2008-03-12 10:35 < The359> I'd imagine, to pick up trash, they drive on the wrong side of the road
2008-03-12 10:35 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus who says i even prefer guys?
2008-03-12 10:35 < The359> But they still have to get back to the processing plant
2008-03-12 10:35 < The359> And thus drive normally on the road
2008-03-12 10:35 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus i prefer the bisexual ones.
2008-03-12 10:35 < Dau> anyone want to help me with the Kosovo anthem article, I've got news links
2008-03-12 10:35 < Leslie_S> The359 do you have pictures of the unimog sliding steering wheel?
2008-03-12 10:37 < The359> http://www.unimog-trucks.com/fileadmin/Content/Gallery/gallery_18_380x200.jpg
2008-03-12 10:38 < Leslie_S> heh. is that drive by wire?
2008-03-12 10:39 < Leslie_S> thats neato.
2008-03-12 10:39 < Lycurgus> I definitely don't think all beautiful men are homosexual.
2008-03-12 10:41 < Lycurgus> not even most of them
2008-03-12 10:42 < Lycurgus> so don't see why Tom Cruise should be unless there's other evidence
2008-03-12 10:43 < Lycurgus> that'll be $5
2008-03-12 10:45 < Mike_H> God, Lucy, inflation is a killer now. I can't afford any more of your psychiatric advice.
2008-03-12 11:01 < Kalir> Ooh, cats.
2008-03-12 11:02 < Kalir> So what's happening here? Anybody getting ahead in the world, or at least a sandwich?
2008-03-12 11:16 < Golbfoo> Wonkette:
2008-03-12 11:16 < Golbfoo> 11:45 AM -- He is quitting on Monday, as promised. "Our greatest glory consists not in falling, but in rising every time we fall." This is some sort of sexual reference, we believe.
2008-03-12 11:53 < Dau> Anyone want to help me update my article (grammar, wiki guidelines and such?)
2008-03-12 12:03 < Dau> no? anyone? it's ready, just needs to be read through by someone.
2008-03-12 12:32 < gwern> ah, spitzer finally resigned
2008-03-12 12:35 < gwern> 'Paterson is legally blind, and although documentation is scarce, it is widely believed that he will be the nation's first blind governor when he takes office Monday.'
2008-03-12 12:45 < Lady_Aleena> Hello...when is a paragraph too long? I have a large paragraph in the rough draft of an article I am writing and don't know if I should slipt this paragraph up or not.
2008-03-12 12:45 < Lady_Aleena> s/slipt/split
2008-03-12 12:48 < DEP> whois Lady_Aleena
2008-03-12 12:48 < Lady_Aleena> Me
2008-03-12 12:48 * DEP looks at his nick
2008-03-12 12:49 < autocracy> Lady_Aleena: just a new name... anyway...
2008-03-12 12:49 < Autocracy> can you show an example of said paragraph?
2008-03-12 12:50 < Lady_Aleena> The second paragraph on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Television/Crossovers
2008-03-12 12:51 < Autocracy> Lady_Aleena: looks like something that should be presented as a list
2008-03-12 12:53 < Lady_Aleena> I am trying to turn a list into an article. If it were a list, it might be very easily deleted. In article form, with enough references, I might be able to make it work. I am still trying to come up with a title for the article, too.
2008-03-12 12:58 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-03-12 12:59 < Lady_Aleena> Hello
2008-03-12 13:00 < Fabexplosive> hi Lady_Aleena
2008-03-12 13:00 < Autocracy> Lady_Aleena: I think the best case of presentation is to place each crossover as a list item and have a relevant paragraph in each article. I feel that trying to write that detail into a coherent piece would be.... disjointed
2008-03-12 13:05 < cimon> By the way, does OldakQuill still talk in this channel sometimes?
2008-03-12 13:14 < Autocracy> !seen OldakQuill
2008-03-12 13:14 < Autocracy> hmm... thought that worked
2008-03-12 13:14 < Ashfire908> there's SeenServ (Though i think it's junk)
2008-03-12 13:15 < Ashfire908> nvm
2008-03-12 13:15 * Ashfire908 missed the prev message
2008-03-12 13:16 < Lady_Aleena> Autocracy...I think I will have to finish it before presenting it, I guess. There is a lot more to do before it is done. ACK! :)
2008-03-12 13:38 < msh210> hi, all.
2008-03-12 13:38 < msh210> I know preload= preloads a template (or other existent page). Is there a way to preload _text_?
2008-03-12 13:57 < Lady_Aleena> msh210, such as?
2008-03-12 14:01 < Casull> 999 rollbackers!
2008-03-12 14:01 < Casull> Just one more and we'll have hit a NEW GOAAAAAAAAAAL
2008-03-12 14:03 * ST47 wakes up
2008-03-12 14:03 * ST47 stares at kurt
2008-03-12 14:03 * ST47 sighs
2008-03-12 14:04 < Golbfoo> luls
2008-03-12 14:10 * Krimpet sees prima facie evidence that kurt has been banned :D
2008-03-12 14:11 < Aqwis2> congratulations, wikipedia
2008-03-12 14:11 < Warpath> XD
2008-03-12 14:14 < LordTBT> I'd like to report a vandal
2008-03-12 14:15 < zvook> go for it.
2008-03-12 14:16 < LordTBT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/78.94.119.154 keeps spamming a website on the paula abdul article
2008-03-12 14:17 < zvook> what is with sceptre being in this channel and NotACow being in -en?
2008-03-12 14:17 < zvook> what happened to the nerd/troll divide?
2008-03-12 14:17 < Messedrocker> you know what's weird?
2008-03-12 14:17 < Messedrocker> both of our muslim congressmen have white-sounding names
2008-03-12 14:18 < Messedrocker> or rather, non-muslim-sounding
2008-03-12 14:18 < Messedrocker> keith ellison and andre carson
2008-03-12 14:18 < Krimpet> zvook: nerd/troll divide? that concept clearly pre-dates the creation of *chan. -_-
2008-03-12 14:18 < Messedrocker> i suspect (unfortunately) that they wouldn't have been elected were their names Hussein Mohammed or Omar Mahmoud
2008-03-12 14:19 < Warpath> XD
2008-03-12 14:20 < scorchsaber_> Messedrocker: Sure they would have
2008-03-12 14:20 < scorchsaber_> Messedrocker: Oh, wait
2008-03-12 14:20 < Messedrocker> zvook, notacow has left this channel?
2008-03-12 14:20 < scorchsaber_> Messedrocker: By "our" you mean "the Americans'"
2008-03-12 14:20 < Messedrocker> yes, I am an American so it's appropriate that I use the first-person plural
2008-03-12 14:20 < zvook> Messedrocker: no, both are in both channels, that's enough to confuse me
2008-03-12 14:21 < zvook> this channel is for disgruntled ex-users, half of whom came to IRC to get unblocked, with varying degrees of success
2008-03-12 14:21 < zvook> -en is for people Huggling themselves to happiness
2008-03-12 14:22 < scorchsaber_> Messedrocker: No, first person singular
2008-03-12 14:22 < Faroframkallande> zvook: I idle in both
2008-03-12 14:22 < tawker> zvook: lol
2008-03-12 14:22 < scorchsaber_> Messedrocker: If you are talking to me, and I am Canadian, "we" do not have shared congressmen.
2008-03-12 14:24 < tawker> scorchsaber_ but our parliment is just as corrupt
2008-03-12 14:24 < tawker> so there's no major difference
2008-03-12 14:26 < Ctjf83> hey, can someoen help me with archive index?
2008-03-12 14:27 < scorchsaber_> tawker: What sucks is when you say that to a MP.
2008-03-12 14:27 < Ctjf83> what?
2008-03-12 14:27 < Ctjf83> oh, nm
2008-03-12 14:27 < scorchsaber_> Ctjf83: Member of Parliament
2008-03-12 14:28 < Ctjf83> lol, do u know how to archive indes?
2008-03-12 14:28 < Ctjf83> *index
2008-03-12 14:28 < scorchsaber_> tawker: Alternatively, to a Congressional Representative. :O
2008-03-12 14:28 < scorchsaber_> tawker: I've done both. :D
2008-03-12 14:28 < Ctjf83> umm, have u done my question
2008-03-12 14:29 < scorchsaber_> Ctjf83: I do not know the answer to your question, so I feel no need to react to it at all.
2008-03-12 14:29 < Ctjf83> k
2008-03-12 14:29 < scorchsaber_> Ctjf83: Doing so, like now, increases the noise-to-signal ratio
2008-03-12 14:30 < tawker2> scorchsaber hah
2008-03-12 14:36 < scorchsaber_> :D
2008-03-12 14:39 < Daniel_Bush> Hi, I have two articles where the subject might be involved that I wrote years ago and don't care for anymore. Fixed some errors, but did things like removing good information and advertising their website, etc. Anyway, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam_Dread&action=history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ed_Fast&action=history
2008-03-12 14:39 < mexicanbanana> Why is Apu so fat around the belly? Like totally round.
2008-03-12 14:40 < kanzure> What would be the quickest way to copy the periodic table article? There seem to be many templates involved, is there a way to do an 'export' on a page including all required templates?
2008-03-12 14:40 * Messedrocker likes the break the targets song from SSBB
2008-03-12 14:41 < Messedrocker> mexicanbanana, i doubt working at the kwik-e-mart is exactly helping him with exercise
2008-03-12 14:41 < zvook> apart from that time he thought he was hummingbird.
2008-03-12 14:42 < mexicanbanana> Hmmz.
2008-03-12 14:43 < Messedrocker> and he tried to drink nectar out of sanjay's neck
2008-03-12 14:47 < Casull> Should "Piss be upon him" be a valid article?
2008-03-12 14:47 < Casull> Never mind, it get speedy'd
2008-03-12 14:47 < Casull> Here I was ready to debate with the guy who made it
2008-03-12 14:51 * Autocracy stares at the AfD closure backlog and cries
2008-03-12 14:53 < Faroframkallande> autocracy: blame Episodes and Characters 2
2008-03-12 14:53 < compwhizii> Autocracy, where?
2008-03-12 14:53 < compwhizii> which wikipedia?
2008-03-12 14:54 < Autocracy> compwhizii: en
2008-03-12 14:54 < Autocracy> i'm trying to close a few here and there... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2008_March_7
2008-03-12 14:54 < compwhizii> of course :P
2008-03-12 14:54 < compwhizii> i would too
2008-03-12 14:54 < Autocracy> it takes a while
2008-03-12 14:54 < compwhizii> but i have coaching to do :)
2008-03-12 14:55 < compwhizii> Autocracy, uhhh.
2008-03-12 14:55 < Autocracy> mm?
2008-03-12 14:55 < compwhizii> you know there IS a list of un closed afd right ;)
2008-03-12 14:55 < Autocracy> yes.... i figure i'd just clear out the day 5 stuff first
2008-03-12 15:24 * Autocracy pokes the wiki
2008-03-12 15:25 < geniice> wiki pokes back harder
2008-03-12 15:25 < Autocracy> it does :(
2008-03-12 15:27 < The359> Wiki is into smothering
2008-03-12 15:27 < Autocracy> The359: yeah, well, it sure smothers my spirit
2008-03-12 15:31 * Autocracy walks far, far away from afd
2008-03-12 15:37 < Sfan00> The359: Kittens?
2008-03-12 15:37 < The359> wut?
2008-03-12 15:41 < Sfan00> The359: Joke
2008-03-12 16:41 < Cyrius> 'Actually, Swedish Wikipedia is notoriously known for a huge number of one-line articles. In Russian Wikipedia, where I am mostly active, it is customary to justify the deletion discussion of very short articles by saying "We are not Swedish Wikipedia".'
2008-03-12 16:45 < toresbe> Cyrius: haha
2008-03-12 17:03 < Hello32020> Are you super Cyrius?
2008-03-12 17:15 < cimon> Cyrius: they aren't kidding about the Swedish Wikipedia, (or rather they are, in a ha-ha serious mode.) We on the Finnish wikipedia regularly sneer at their inflated article count too.
2008-03-12 17:16 < Cyrius> heh
2008-03-12 17:16 < Dau> I'm a Finn and have used the Finnish Wikipedia and must say that I am somewhat disappointed in it :(
2008-03-12 17:16 < cimon> random article on swedish wikipedia is really a joke.
2008-03-12 17:19 < cimon> Dau: on the finnish wikipedia we have some problems too. curiously I find that we make mistakes in both directions, some times we keep hopelessly trivial articles, and other times we get rid of legitimately encyclopaedic articles. there is an astonishing lack of consistency in our deletion debates, even though I don't think any truely irreparable losses have happened. We still regularly resurrect articles that had been deleted through due process,
2008-03-12 17:19 < cimon> just through re-evaluating the importance of them.
2008-03-12 17:19 * Autocracy has just brought himself to be part of a process he fears
2008-03-12 17:20 < cimon> Dau: and as for the quality of writing, well, meh!
2008-03-12 17:20 < cimon> The Finnish wikipedia demographics is very very very oriented towards teenagers. Can't really expect them to be William Buckley.
2008-03-12 17:28 < Hello32020> dau: You just living in Germany or do you have a German IP or something (Chatzilla telling me you are in Germany)
2008-03-12 17:33 < Dau> What? No, I live in Finland. Let me do a whois.
2008-03-12 17:33 < Dau> Well, I just did a whois and it says I'm in Finland :D
2008-03-12 17:34 < Dau> http://www.ip-adress.com/
2008-03-12 17:36 < ST47> You need to whois yourself to figure out where you live?
2008-03-12 17:36 < ST47> ;)
2008-03-12 17:37 < Cyrius> *** Dau is n=Dau@213-157-93-39.localloop.fi (Dau)
2008-03-12 17:37 < Cyrius> looks like finland to me
2008-03-12 17:37 < Dau> yeah
2008-03-12 17:38 < Hello32020> hm dumb Chatzilla IP flag locator
2008-03-12 17:39 < MECU> anyone know if the Tennesse Valley Authority is considered Federal Government? http://www.tva.gov
2008-03-12 17:41 < ST47> Based on the .gov, I'd say yes >.>
2008-03-12 17:42 < Scream> MECU
2008-03-12 17:42 < miranda> MECU: yes, it was set up by the fed gov.
2008-03-12 17:43 < Scream> http://www.tva.gov/abouttva/keyfacts.htm
2008-03-12 17:43 < Hello32020> kinda random but does Finland have good internet speeds (how many mbps do you get?)
2008-03-12 17:43 < Scream> federal corporation
2008-03-12 17:44 < MECU> federal corp = federal govt? the whole corp part is throwing me
2008-03-12 17:44 < Scream> read the link I gave you
2008-03-12 17:44 < Scream> congree set it up
2008-03-12 17:44 < Scream> congress
2008-03-12 17:44 * Ceiling_Cat drops off the ceiling, latches onto Scream, and facehuggles mercilessly
2008-03-12 17:44 < Scream> kinky
2008-03-12 17:45 < Luna-San> http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/01/business-of-walking-away.html
2008-03-12 17:45 < Autocracy> crazy cats....
2008-03-12 17:45 < miranda|away> MECU: it's a federal program
2008-03-12 17:46 < Scream> kindof like the post office, in a way
2008-03-12 17:46 < MECU> okay, thanks
2008-03-12 17:46 < miranda|away> MECU: it was a federal program set up during the FDR administration
2008-03-12 17:47 < geniice> I've improved my video
2008-03-12 17:47 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Plasmaball_vid1#Plasma_Ball_Vid1
2008-03-12 17:53 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR CATZ!
2008-03-12 17:53 < Dau> Hello32020: I have 1mbps, and most have something around 1-10mbps.
2008-03-12 17:54 < Ceiling_Cat> or, if you are wiki-bored, go to [[Wikipedia:ACF Regionals answers]] and fill in some red links
2008-03-12 18:01 * Ceiling_Cat challenges IceKarma to a [[chess-boxing]] match
2008-03-12 18:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Quick question. I'm just curious about the process to decide which article gets featured on the Main page.OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 23:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
2008-03-12 18:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Magic 8-ball. Tea-leaves or chicken entrails if on short notice. Raul654 (talk) 23:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
2008-03-12 18:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Quick answer for a not-quick question :-)) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
2008-03-12 18:04 < Scream> lol
2008-03-12 18:05 < Scream> linky?
2008-03-12 18:06 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Raul654#Cretaceous.E2.80.93Tertiary_extinction_event
2008-03-12 18:06 < TheLetterE> Ceiling_Cat: :P
2008-03-12 18:07 < Scream> lmao
2008-03-12 18:08 < Ceiling_Cat> : )
2008-03-12 18:11 < Hello32020> I have a little over 5 :D
2008-03-12 18:17 < shimgray> Lecanomancy
2008-03-12 18:18 < Hello32020> :?
2008-03-12 18:21 < kibble> /h
2008-03-12 18:22 < Two1655> /h = ?
2008-03-12 18:22 < Two1655> whoa, wait, I'm in the wrong window... (though I was still in wikipedia-en)
2008-03-12 18:33 < Tony_Sidaway> Gosh
2008-03-12 18:33 < Tony_Sidaway> This Dutch musician talking in The World At War.
2008-03-12 18:34 < mexicanbanana> I find it frustrating and confusing that the Wikipedia articles for video gaming consoles are seemingly not consistently named. For example, "Nintendo DS" and "Wii". Shouldn't the latter be "Nintendo Wii"? Or is the official name for Wii simply "Wii" while DS has the full "Nintendo DS"?
2008-03-12 18:34 < Cyrius> yes.
2008-03-12 18:34 < mexicanbanana> Yes what?
2008-03-12 18:34 < Tony_Sidaway> "Saxophonists were forbidden from swaying, and you could not play a high note." Effectively jazz was banned.
2008-03-12 18:35 < Tony_Sidaway> The nazis.
2008-03-12 18:35 < Cyrius> the Wii is the Wii. the Nintendo DS is the Nintendo DS
2008-03-12 18:35 < Krimpet> mexicanbanana: "Wii" is Nintendo's official name for it
2008-03-12 18:35 < Krimpet> a bit silly IMO, but 'tis the facts.
2008-03-12 18:35 < Cyrius> it's no more inconsistent than "Microsoft Windows" and "Linux"
2008-03-12 18:35 < mexicanbanana> I see.
2008-03-12 18:36 < Tony_Sidaway> Create a redirect from Nintendo Wii to Wii. Problem solved.
2008-03-12 18:36 < NotACow> microsoft bananas
2008-03-12 18:36 < mexicanbanana> I basically consider the Wikipedia articles the "law" on how to spell stuff.
2008-03-12 18:36 < mexicanbanana> It is extremely hard to get the correct spelling for some consoles.
2008-03-12 18:36 < Cyrius> Tony_Sidaway: I'm about 90% sure that exists
2008-03-12 18:36 < mexicanbanana> Neo Geo has one billion spellings.
2008-03-12 18:36 < mexicanbanana> NEO-GEO, Neo-Geo, Neo Geo NEOGEO...
2008-03-12 18:36 < NotACow> neoooogeooooo
2008-03-12 18:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Wikipedia is user-written. It isn't authoritative really.
2008-03-12 18:37 < mexicanbanana> As good as it gets...
2008-03-12 18:37 < mexicanbanana> All other Web sites are basically shit.
2008-03-12 18:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Until Mediawik version 5 (I think) we couldn't even have article names display in the article without the initial capital.
2008-03-12 18:37 < mexicanbanana> Wikipedia could *be* the WWW.
2008-03-12 18:38 < ggreer> Tony_Sidaway: yeah, apple's products got screwed up
2008-03-12 18:38 < Cyrius> Tony_Sidaway: version what?
2008-03-12 18:38 < mexicanbanana> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod
2008-03-12 18:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Cyrius: somewhere around version 5. Don't quote me on it. Brion may know.
2008-03-12 18:38 < mexicanbanana> Doesn't work with iPod still.
2008-03-12 18:38 < Cyrius> we're on 1.13
2008-03-12 18:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah
2008-03-12 18:38 < mexicanbanana> Eeeeeh?
2008-03-12 18:38 < Tony_Sidaway> Then my memory is worse than I thought.
2008-03-12 18:38 < Cyrius> =)
2008-03-12 18:38 < mexicanbanana> MediaWiki is at 5.x and Wikipedia runs 1.13?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!
2008-03-12 18:39 * Cyrius whacks mexicanbanana
2008-03-12 18:39 < Krimpet> um, no?
2008-03-12 18:39 < Cyrius> he was misremembering the version numbers, there is no 5.x
2008-03-12 18:39 < ggreer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/iPod works, but it redirects to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod
2008-03-12 18:39 < mexicanbanana> "we're on 1.13"
2008-03-12 18:39 < ggreer> although the title is correct
2008-03-12 18:39 < Krimpet> ggreer: it uses the {{displaytitle}} hack
2008-03-12 18:39 < ggreer> oh
2008-03-12 18:39 < ggreer> lame
2008-03-12 18:40 < Cyrius> heh
2008-03-12 18:40 < Cyrius> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wii#Frequently_asked_questions
2008-03-12 18:40 < Cyrius> "The first and most frequently asked question -- and the official trademark is just "Wii". See the Talk archives (pages 6 through 10) and the separately archived survey if you need the details."
2008-03-12 18:40 < Cyrius> 6 through 10 =O
2008-03-12 18:40 < AppleBoy> ggreer: blasphemy!
2008-03-12 18:48 < mexicanbanana> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_Genie <-- Which is the correct title?
2008-03-12 18:48 < mexicanbanana> EACA EG2000 Colour Genie or Colour Genie?
2008-03-12 18:55 < Hello32020> the new york governors hooker has a myspace page
2008-03-12 18:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh that is a fucking hoot. Wells hated Woking so much that he had it obliterated in a huge battle in War of the Worlds. So the people of Woking have put a statue of a Martian fighting machine up in their town centre.
2008-03-12 18:56 < Demi> come friendly bombs and drop on slough
2008-03-12 18:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Demi: have visited Slough, haven't noticed any statues of Betjamin's bombs there. Though I wouldn't put it past them.
2008-03-12 18:57 < Tony_Sidaway> I've seen so much of Wells's South London. I've seen an area in Walton where I imagined the parson crouching and praying to his hideous new gods.
2008-03-12 18:57 < Demi> i think the general subject of writers doing bad things to people, places and things they dislike, in their stories, is interesting
2008-03-12 18:58 < Tony_Sidaway> There's an article in that, ala exploding whale
2008-03-12 18:59 < Tony_Sidaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Statue_of_Tripod.JPG
2008-03-12 18:59 < Tony_Sidaway> That is without a doubt both the prettiest and the most interesting thing in Woking.
2008-03-12 18:59 < mexicanbanana> Hello?
2008-03-12 18:59 < shimgray> ...oh, that's lovely
2008-03-12 18:59 * Autocracy is about to have a mental break over the prevailing RfA attitude
2008-03-12 19:00 < shimgray> I didn't really think of Wells as the hating type.
2008-03-12 19:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Wells LOATHED South London, where for a time he was a draper's assistant.
2008-03-12 19:01 < Tony_Sidaway> That's why he smashed it to buggery in his book.
2008-03-12 19:01 < Demi> one of our vacation snaps from paris that we blew up and put on our wall is one of the metro stations with the alien eyes (from the movie i believe)
2008-03-12 19:01 < Autocracy> and what in the name of all does NAC stand for?
2008-03-12 19:02 < Cyrius> context? =)
2008-03-12 19:02 < Autocracy> "The fact that this user RFAs the same day a number of their NACs where overturned worries me about their possible usage of the tools."
2008-03-12 19:03 < Cyrius> you should have tried [[WP:NAC]] =)
2008-03-12 19:03 < Autocracy> right right
2008-03-12 19:03 < Tony_Sidaway> He was a socialist utopian and like many of his time he hated the jerry-builders and their developments who were expanding the metropolis with these horrible little townships where before there had been villages.
2008-03-12 19:04 < shimgray> he was a Fabian, wasn't he?
2008-03-12 19:05 < Tony_Sidaway> I suppose he would have been, eventually. Once the Fabians got going. Wasn't that later?
2008-03-12 19:05 < Kerotan> Btw wikiproject spotlight is attempted to be resurrected by a group of rather foolish editors. If you want to help come to #wikipedia-spotlight
2008-03-12 19:05 < shimgray> hmm, founded 1884
2008-03-12 19:06 < shimgray> but he left as they weren't radical enough
2008-03-12 19:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh I was wrong. So contemporary with Wells.
2008-03-12 19:06 < mexicanbanana> WTF kind of console is APF-*1000/IM?
2008-03-12 19:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Well the Fabians absorbed with the Labour movement, which kinda killed the radical edge.
2008-03-12 19:06 < mexicanbanana> Cannot find any info.
2008-03-12 19:07 < shimgray> (the Fabians weren't radical enough. Well, yeah. If the Fabians had been any less radical, they'd have been in a coma)
2008-03-12 19:08 < shimgray> (okay, that's a little unfair, but still...)
2008-03-12 19:08 < Hello32020> hey why was the page with most viewed articles on wikipedia for each month abolished?
2008-03-12 19:08 < shimgray> Hello32020: because we have REAL STATS now, not vague guesswork?
2008-03-12 19:09 < Hello32020> Where are the stats located?
2008-03-12 19:09 < shimgray> one sec
2008-03-12 19:09 < Demi> and we all know how far the comatose party got
2008-03-12 19:09 < Hello32020> ty
2008-03-12 19:09 < shimgray> http://stats.grok.se/
2008-03-12 19:09 < Demi> vague guesswork is more fun
2008-03-12 19:09 < Hello32020> thanks!
2008-03-12 19:11 < Hello32020> This should be made easier to find :D
2008-03-12 19:12 < Demi> everything is easy to find in sweden
2008-03-12 19:13 < mexicanbanana> WTF kind of console is APF-*1000/IM?
2008-03-12 19:13 < Tony_Sidaway> Where's the sunny beach with warm sand and hot bikini-clad girls in Sweden?
2008-03-12 19:14 < mexicanbanana> HEEEEEEEEEEELLLO?????????
2008-03-12 19:14 < Tony_Sidaway> Just because we're associated with an encyclopedia, people come here thinking we know everything. It's quite touching.
2008-03-12 19:15 < Kerotan> yeah #wikipedia-en-help is for people who actually know everything.
2008-03-12 19:16 < Tony_Sidaway> If we really knew everything, you'd think we'd be able to run a community without having spectacular fuck-ups every month or so.
2008-03-12 19:16 < Kerotan> Yeah.
2008-03-12 19:17 < Kerotan> Conservapedia is still laughing at us for the essjay scandal.
2008-03-12 19:17 < Kerotan> But then everyone else laughs at conservapedia.
2008-03-12 19:19 < gwern> arguing with conservapedia is like arguing on the internet...
2008-03-12 19:20 < Kerotan> I visit the site for comedy value occasionally..
2008-03-12 19:20 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh is Conservapedia real?
2008-03-12 19:20 < Tony_Sidaway> What is the URL?