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2008-03-12 05:29 < Mike_H> that episode had two of the best all-time BB quotes ever
2008-03-12 05:29 < Mike_H> Amber crying and going "Jameka...Jameka...Jameka could have took the $5,000 but she didn't!"
2008-03-12 05:29 < Mike_H> and Jameka saying "God is so gangsta!"
2008-03-12 05:30 < pengo> Mike_H: people watched the first season of BB in aus.. i didn't. :)
2008-03-12 05:31 < NotACow> Mike_H: meh, aussies have censored TV, so small wonder they have little choce but to watch that swill.
2008-03-12 05:31 < Mike_H> see, nobody watched BB1 in the US
2008-03-12 05:31 < Mike_H> that led us to like, change the entire rules of it
2008-03-12 05:31 < Mike_H> no more public voting, etc
2008-03-12 05:31 < Mike_H> and we never really got a lot of viewers ever
2008-03-12 05:32 * NotACow wishes more people would not watch shows like that :)
2008-03-12 05:32 < pengo> they hyped it a lot in aus
2008-03-12 05:32 * pengo does too
2008-03-12 05:32 < cat> O_o
2008-03-12 05:32 < Mike42> I don't know how it rates. it's almost universally considered a crap show
2008-03-12 05:32 < pengo> and we only have 3 commercial channels
2008-03-12 05:32 < pengo> and one of those was just BB
2008-03-12 05:32 < cat> since when did they censor "mother f*ckers" on tv O_o
2008-03-12 05:32 < Mike_H> Mike42: It seems like Australia likes crap TV more than we do
2008-03-12 05:32 < Mike_H> which shocks me
2008-03-12 05:33 < Mike_H> I thought we were the #1 buyers of that
2008-03-12 05:33 < cat> hahahaha
2008-03-12 05:33 < cat> no
2008-03-12 05:33 < cat> we have good content
2008-03-12 05:33 < bumm13> no kidding :P
2008-03-12 05:33 < cat> like aca and tt
2008-03-12 05:33 < pengo> Mike_H: the same channel that did BB is hyping Biggest Loser now.. fat people diet challenge show
2008-03-12 05:33 < cat> pengo: unsurprisingly, 10 is owned by canadians
2008-03-12 05:33 < cat> no wonder it is the shittiest channel on tv
2008-03-12 05:34 < Mike42> Mike_H: Meh. I suppose maybe aussies just watch whatever is on and most of it is crap.
2008-03-12 05:34 < pengo> canadians have good kids shows..
2008-03-12 05:34 < cat> mhm
2008-03-12 05:34 < cat> they make loads of cartoons :p
2008-03-12 05:34 < pengo> Mike_H: maybe we had better contestants on BB :)
2008-03-12 05:34 < pengo> less americans
2008-03-12 05:34 < AdamBishop> Canada produced [[Just Like Mom]]
2008-03-12 05:35 < AdamBishop> which was awesome
2008-03-12 05:35 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1onfazS4ztw
2008-03-12 05:35 < Mike_H> That was our most recent Big Brother twist
2008-03-12 05:35 < Mike_H> that happened...a week ago
2008-03-12 05:35 < Mike_H> (BB9 is currently airing here)
2008-03-12 05:36 < pengo> 9? and no one watches it?
2008-03-12 05:36 < cat> Mike_H: guess what i saw today>
2008-03-12 05:36 < Mike_H> it's basically the same number of viewers who've always watched it
2008-03-12 05:36 < cat> we were on the bus and, a police car pulled a white car over - then the guy got out of the car and ran away haahah
2008-03-12 05:36 < Mike_H> like seven or eight million
2008-03-12 05:36 < Mike_H> it never really gains any ground
2008-03-12 05:36 < Mike_H> cat: rofl
2008-03-12 05:37 < Mike_H> pengo: that and the host
2008-03-12 05:37 < Mike_H> Julie Chen
2008-03-12 05:37 < Mike_H> is married to the president of CBS
2008-03-12 05:38 < pengo> Mike_H: have you watched "the shot" or whatever it is yet?
2008-03-12 05:38 < Mike_H> No.
2008-03-12 05:39 < p858snake> :o over 200 relationships in bb houses
2008-03-12 05:40 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sDTMsOosJo
2008-03-12 05:41 < Mike_H> That's one of the best adversarial relationships in Big Brother
2008-03-12 05:41 < Mike_H> Howie made fun of April's dog
2008-03-12 05:41 < Mike_H> and April cried more about her dog's feelings being hurt than her husband
2008-03-12 05:43 < pengo> uh ok, mike
2008-03-12 05:43 < pengo> why do you watch bb, Mike_H?
2008-03-12 05:43 < Mike_H> It's always fun to see people you know you're better than.
2008-03-12 05:43 < Mike_H> when you think you suck, and your life is bad
2008-03-12 05:43 < Mike_H> you turn on Big Brother and realize you're okay
2008-03-12 05:44 < Mike_H> that, and the drama
2008-03-12 05:44 < Mike_H> lots of drama
2008-03-12 05:44 < Mike_H> April totally deserves everything she gets if she's going to cry more about her dog than her husband.
2008-03-12 05:44 < Mike_H> People like that are dumb.
2008-03-12 05:46 < NotACow> http://www.tampabays10.com/news/specials/popular/article.aspx?s=popular&storyid=75927 <- don't drive sick in hillsborough county!
2008-03-12 05:47 < p858snake> <p858snake> http://youtube.com/watch?v=en-PDG6e7-Y <from 1:28 onward <everything after merlin(aus) incident is pure lulz
2008-03-12 05:47 < Mike_H> NotACow: Last month a mother got a ticket for making an illegal turn after her daughter started vomiting uncontrollably in the car.
2008-03-12 05:47 < Mike_H> in Tampa.
2008-03-12 05:47 < Mike_H> Tampa is really...stupid about those sorts of things.
2008-03-12 05:48 < NotACow> Mike_H: so i gather.
2008-03-12 05:48 < Mike_H> p858snake: he's ugly isn't he :<
2008-03-12 05:49 < p858snake> merlin or who?
2008-03-12 05:49 < Mike_H> him, yeah
2008-03-12 05:49 < p858snake> hes not the best flower in the bunch
2008-03-12 05:50 < Mike_H> Why did he misspell "the"?
2008-03-12 05:51 < Mike_H> haha, I love how the BB SA house is like
2008-03-12 05:51 < Mike_H> a replica of our house
2008-03-12 05:51 < Mike_H> from older seasons
2008-03-12 05:52 < Mike_H> Yeah, if that SA guy did that on our show
2008-03-12 05:53 < Mike_H> he'd be removed so fast
2008-03-12 05:53 < NotACow> chickadoo chickadoo chickadoo
2008-03-12 05:53 < Mike_H> he would have been removed by security as soon as he busted open the diary room door
2008-03-12 05:53 < p858snake> the tape he used moved so it appeard he mis-spelt it
2008-03-12 05:54 < Mike_H> It's just so odd to see how different the other versions are compared to ours
2008-03-12 05:54 < Mike_H> ours seem so boring
2008-03-12 05:55 < Mike_H> I'm watching this whole special from the beginning
2008-03-12 05:55 < p858snake> the one i posted?
2008-03-12 05:55 < Mike_H> yeah, I'm watching it from part 1
2008-03-12 05:55 < p858snake> i might do that now you mention it
2008-03-12 05:56 < Mike_H> ew, they showed Dick from BB8 US
2008-03-12 05:56 < Warpath> :O
2008-03-12 05:56 < Warpath> dick cheney? :O
2008-03-12 05:56 < Mike_H> I hope foreigners don't think that's what BB is like here
2008-03-12 05:56 < Mike_H> because Dick was like the worst houseguest ever
2008-03-12 05:56 < Mike_H> he was nasty
2008-03-12 05:58 < mavhc> it's ok, noone who travels watches that crap
2008-03-12 05:59 < p858snake> did you see the footage from the uk (i think) where they had to call security guards and the house mates were going at each other with knifes and stuff
2008-03-12 05:59 < p858snake> ?
2008-03-12 06:00 < Mike_H> I'm not there yet
2008-03-12 06:00 < Mike_H> we've removed one houseguest in our version for threatening someone with a knife
2008-03-12 06:00 < p858snake> is it in the around the world ones?
2008-03-12 06:01 < Mike_H> why do they keep saying housemate
2008-03-12 06:01 < Mike_H> do you all not use the term houseguest?
2008-03-12 06:02 < mavhc> I think "retard" is the best description
2008-03-12 06:03 < p858snake> lol @ box activity
2008-03-12 06:06 < Mike_H> p858snake: Part 2 has the Project DNA twist from BB5 US
2008-03-12 06:06 < Asad> Have you guys looked at this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7291382.stm
2008-03-12 06:11 < Mike_H> p858snake: I love how they make the relations twist the big one
2008-03-12 06:11 < Mike_H> when in the US
2008-03-12 06:11 < Mike_H> the bigger twist was the twins swapping places
2008-03-12 06:12 < Mike_H> What's a bedsit?
2008-03-12 06:12 < Mike_H> Is that like an efficiency?
2008-03-12 06:12 < p858snake> they did the twin thing in aus as well
2008-03-12 06:14 < yao_ziyuan> my cool desktop: http://infowire.googlegroups.com/web/%E6%88%91%E7%9A%84%20%E6%BB%A1%E5%9C%B0%E7%BA%A2%20%E6%A1%8C%E9%9D%A2.png?gda=0GICH3YAAAC0sEMjRrph6--_rNfJV4RUSUG3dMp44d3xT7L97nALOWG1qiJ7UbTIup-M2XPURDRuvQL_2aXrHpkK98OZ1RGXS7Uak5YB2GYUdUKhqhlpDB9QO5YuzggilrGxGjW-AoqBnU_2Acz3tqO4i2KXL8AQT4UiRSvtnlU6232iqWRRZQ
2008-03-12 06:15 < bumm13> nice flood :p
2008-03-12 06:16 < yao_ziyuan> america is at stake you know?
2008-03-12 06:16 < bumm13> ok......
2008-03-12 06:16 < yao_ziyuan> china has a huge foreign currency reserve
2008-03-12 06:16 < yao_ziyuan> and to corrupt is human
2008-03-12 06:16 < yao_ziyuan> i'm pretty sure china has bought some american defense engineers
2008-03-12 06:17 < yao_ziyuan> 'cause even engineers need to make a living
2008-03-12 06:17 < yao_ziyuan> living in sillycon valley ain't free
2008-03-12 06:20 < Messedrocker> gee
2008-03-12 06:20 < Messedrocker> you make one non-sequitur about ice cream and all your google ads are about ice cream
2008-03-12 06:20 < yao_ziyuan> or maybe every engineer that ever accessed defense secrets is totally under surveillance and has the government pay everything for them
2008-03-12 06:20 < yao_ziyuan> i wanna be!
2008-03-12 06:21 * yao_ziyuan wants to sell his freedom for freedom's sake
2008-03-12 06:21 < Mike_H> Oh, wow, BBUK had a transsexual
2008-03-12 06:21 < Mike_H> and she won
2008-03-12 06:22 < Mike_H> I think the most daring we got was that we had a lesbian
2008-03-12 06:23 < pengo> Mike_H: have you checked out the original yet? BB in .nl
2008-03-12 06:24 < Mike_H> no
2008-03-12 06:28 < Mike_H> I just got to the part where they canceled Big Brother in the Middle East
2008-03-12 06:28 < Mike_H> after 12 days
2008-03-12 06:28 < p858snake> i'm only on 4
2008-03-12 06:29 < Mike_H> I'm on 5, we just got to the part with Dick from BB8 US :<
2008-03-12 06:29 < Mike_H> I hate him
2008-03-12 06:29 < Mike_H> hahaha, I forgot this part
2008-03-12 06:29 < Mike_H> Dick: Daniele's my daughter!
2008-03-12 06:29 < Mike_H> Joe: Oh!
2008-03-12 06:29 < Mike_H> Dick: And she hasn't talked to me in two years.
2008-03-12 06:29 < Mike_H> Joe: Oh...
2008-03-12 06:32 < bumm13> yay, got this cheap old radio to tune into the local weather (NOAA) radio station :)
2008-03-12 06:32 < Mike_H> p858snake: What I didn't like was that Dick was allowed to threaten and do really bad shit to people
2008-03-12 06:32 < Mike_H> and he won Big Brother
2008-03-12 06:32 < Mike_H> and people got really angry.
2008-03-12 06:33 < p858snake> i'm not up to that part yet
2008-03-12 06:33 < Mike_H> in past seasons people were removed from Big Brother for a LOT less
2008-03-12 06:33 < p858snake> i've seen the footage before though
2008-03-12 06:36 < Mike_H> p858snake: It was actually Dick's abuse of Jen that turned public opinion favorable to Jen.
2008-03-12 06:36 < Mike_H> She came into the house and she was portrayed as being really dumb and vain. She cried at the picture Big Brother displayed of her because she thought it was too ugly.
2008-03-12 06:37 < Mike_H> and she'd also wear stupid shirts that would have "Jen" phrases on them
2008-03-12 06:37 < Mike_H> like "Jeneration X"
2008-03-12 06:37 < Mike_H> "Be Jentle"
2008-03-12 06:37 < Mike_H> etc.
2008-03-12 06:37 < Mike_H> Then in a punishment she had to wear a unitard for a week. The New York Post wrote that Jen "jenuinely" "owned" that unitard and made it fashionable.
2008-03-12 06:38 < bumm13> :P
2008-03-12 06:39 < Mike_H> bumm13: she also said she took the uni out of unitard
2008-03-12 06:39 < Mike_H> which people laughed at
2008-03-12 06:39 < bumm13> :s
2008-03-12 06:39 < Mike_H> as I said, she wasn't horribly smart
2008-03-12 06:40 < bumm13> I guess not :P
2008-03-12 06:40 < bumm13> after messing with that radio, I just thought how Dec. 31, 2008 is the end of OTA analog television broadcasting in the U.S.
2008-03-12 06:41 < bumm13> it's a cheapie radio that can tune the VHF TV bands' audio
2008-03-12 06:41 < bumm13> (plus AM, FM and WX)
2008-03-12 06:49 < Mike_H> Earlier, an ex-girlfriend, Rachel Marsden, leaked instant messaging transcripts that purported to show Wales using his influence to make changes to her Wikipedia entry improperly so that allegedly he could continue "f---ing [her] brains out".
2008-03-12 06:49 < Mike_H> I'm sorry, but this story just gets classier and classier.
2008-03-12 06:50 < eth01> how about this story is just old.
2008-03-12 06:50 < eth01> and that nobody gives a shit?
2008-03-12 06:50 < Mike_H> eth01: Clearly it isn't if it's still being published.
2008-03-12 06:50 < Mike_H> I'd say speak for yourself before others.
2008-03-12 06:50 < Mike_H> thx, kisses
2008-03-12 06:50 < eth01> well, err, newspapers don't usually give up that easy.
2008-03-12 06:51 < eth01> but imo you've got to be pretty shallow to get entertainment from it ;
2008-03-12 06:51 < eth01> ;) *
2008-03-12 07:00 < mavhc> newspapers, all the news that's over 12 hours old
2008-03-12 07:01 < TheWeasel> Internet, all the news that's new and wrong
2008-03-12 07:01 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-12 07:01 < mavhc> that's why I get the news directly from my imagination
2008-03-12 07:08 < TheWeasel> Health-tourism is a fast developing industry. Visakhapatnam is also referred to as (...) the city of dust, Steel City .
2008-03-12 07:08 < TheWeasel> (not from WP, but still fun)
2008-03-12 07:23 < TheWeasel> "It remains the only monarchy in the Pacific."
2008-03-12 07:23 < TheWeasel> I wonder if new royalty will ever emerge again
2008-03-12 07:24 < TheWeasel> because it says "remains", as if another should emerge any day now
2008-03-12 07:25 < chomwitt> hi. i want to use stylesheet . i read Help:User style but i cant understand how i enable css.
2008-03-12 07:26 < zvook> haha. to me if anything, it implies the opposite.
2008-03-12 07:26 < TheWeasel> weird
2008-03-12 07:27 < TheWeasel> "South Ossetia is easily the worst region of Georgia to visit. In a country full of historic and cultural monuments, there is surprisingly little to see in South Ossetia. And it is hard to go see what little there is, owing to the ongoing separatist conflict between the Ossetes and the Georgian central government and to the security vacuum the conflict has created."
2008-03-12 07:27 < zvook> It remains the only monarchy in the Pacific, an obsolete holdover from a bygone era!
2008-03-12 07:27 < TheWeasel> I wouldn't want to be their tourism minister
2008-03-12 07:28 < zvook> poor Georgia.
2008-03-12 07:28 < zvook> they've probably had everything good scooped out of them twice, once by the commies and once by the capitalists
2008-03-12 07:28 < TheWeasel> It remains the only monarchy in the Pacific, even though we really expected Hawai'i to revert.
2008-03-12 07:29 < arcimboldo_> Afghanistan had a tourism minister too, but he was killed.
2008-03-12 07:29 < arcimboldo_> So perhaps that's an even less pleasant job.
2008-03-12 07:29 < TheWeasel> I think that's all one needs to know about negotiating Afghanistan.
2008-03-12 07:29 < zvook> perhaps.
2008-03-12 07:31 < arcimboldo_> Plus the most interesting historic monument have been destroyed during Taleban rule.
2008-03-12 07:31 < arcimboldo_> s
2008-03-12 07:31 < TheWeasel> At least their sights' old age is really believable now.
2008-03-12 07:31 < arcimboldo_> Is there any ranking of "least interesting country to visit"?
2008-03-12 07:32 < TheWeasel> POV
2008-03-12 07:32 * TheWeasel 's money is on Kazakhstan or Chad.
2008-03-12 07:33 < zvook> i read in Private Eye that the taleban now controls 10% of Afghanistan, the government 30%, and poppy production at an all time high
2008-03-12 07:33 < arcimboldo_> Kazakhstan must have some interesting hiking or nomads or whatever ... it's just too big.
2008-03-12 07:33 < TheWeasel> depends on if you think that civil unrest makes a destination "interesting"
2008-03-12 07:33 < TheWeasel> because "there's always something to do"
2008-03-12 07:33 < zvook> they compare stories on these facts in the british press to stories on Prince Harry's deployment.
2008-03-12 07:34 < zvook> (250:2)
2008-03-12 07:34 < arcimboldo_> and chad sound like exotic street markets, people with turbans, camel riding etc.
2008-03-12 07:34 < TheWeasel> Mauretania is pretty drab as well.
2008-03-12 07:34 < TheWeasel> oh yea...
2008-03-12 07:34 < arcimboldo_> s
2008-03-12 07:34 < TheWeasel> well...
2008-03-12 07:35 < TheWeasel> It's an interesting country culturally
2008-03-12 07:35 < arcimboldo_> Moldova is rather uninteresting I believe.
2008-03-12 07:35 < TheWeasel> but it doesn't exactly where that on its sleeve
2008-03-12 07:35 < Mike_H> The new Wikipedia story is now on top stories at BBC World
2008-03-12 07:35 < TheWeasel> I've never heard of anyone being thrilled of Brunei.
2008-03-12 07:35 < arcimboldo_> And especially Transdnistria (a member of the "travelers century club" told me)
2008-03-12 07:36 < arcimboldo_> Brunei has some nice extravagant mosques
2008-03-12 07:36 < TheWeasel> Transnistria is the South Ossetia of Moldova, in a sene.
2008-03-12 07:36 < TheWeasel> *s
2008-03-12 07:36 < zocky> TheWeasel, heh, a friend of mine tried to go to brunei, but they didn't like her hammer and sickle t-shirt :)
2008-03-12 07:36 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-03-12 07:36 < TheWeasel> Nauru must be awful
2008-03-12 07:36 < arcimboldo_> Kuwait and Brunei must be relatively boring.
2008-03-12 07:36 < TheWeasel> the whole island is covered by a desalination plant
2008-03-12 07:36 < TheWeasel> and other factories
2008-03-12 07:36 < arcimboldo_> Sorry Bahrain, not Brunei
2008-03-12 07:37 < zocky> nauru is ok if you're a citizen and not actually living on the island
2008-03-12 07:37 < zocky> how much money do they get these days?
2008-03-12 07:37 < TheWeasel> in Europe, I don't think you get any more boring than certain parts of Denmark
2008-03-12 07:38 < TheWeasel> but I can't really say it for the country as a whole
2008-03-12 07:38 < TheWeasel> maybe Belarus
2008-03-12 07:38 < arcimboldo_> at least the Australian asylum seekers' camp has been closed by now I believe.
2008-03-12 07:38 < arcimboldo_> on Nauru
2008-03-12 07:38 < TheWeasel> ya, Belarus is the strongest competitor I guess
2008-03-12 07:38 < zocky> TheWeasel, actually, more hochdeutsch spoken in a country = more boring
2008-03-12 07:39 < TheWeasel> my sister has been over, it was sumpn else
2008-03-12 07:39 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-03-12 07:39 < zocky> so austria and switzerland top the list
2008-03-12 07:39 < TheWeasel> There is no most boring state in Germany
2008-03-12 07:39 < zocky> TheWeasel, you mean, bavaria is at least funny to look at?
2008-03-12 07:39 < TheWeasel> Saxony-Anhalt might be a strong contender, but they do have some UNESCO-worthy stuff
2008-03-12 07:40 < arcimboldo_> Well, does Slovenia have anything on offer that Austria doesn't? Besides 200 metres of beach?
2008-03-12 07:40 < TheWeasel> Bavaria is pretty in many places
2008-03-12 07:40 < zocky> arcimboldo_, yes, about 2 milion slavic people
2008-03-12 07:40 < Mike_H> <TheWeasel> There is no most boring state in Germany
2008-03-12 07:40 < Aqwis> more poverty ;|
2008-03-12 07:40 < arcimboldo_> hm ... are they so exotic and peculiar that they're worth visiting?
2008-03-12 07:40 < Mike_H> What about where Heidi Klum is from?
2008-03-12 07:40 < TheWeasel> Slightly saner politicians perhaps.
2008-03-12 07:40 < Mike_H> Gladbag Trashbag?
2008-03-12 07:40 < Mike_H> Or wherever?
2008-03-12 07:40 < zocky> TheWeasel, very slightly
2008-03-12 07:40 < TheWeasel> Bergisch Gladbach
2008-03-12 07:41 < arcimboldo_> That's true for sure
2008-03-12 07:41 < TheWeasel> it's an eastern suburb of Cologne
2008-03-12 07:41 < TheWeasel> North-Rhine Westphalia
2008-03-12 07:41 < TheWeasel> it's big enough that there's something worthwhile there
2008-03-12 07:41 < Mike_H> Project Runway ended last week here
2008-03-12 07:41 < TheWeasel> Belarus still a strong contender
2008-03-12 07:41 < Mike_H> that means we don't have to see Heidi on US TV for another year
2008-03-12 07:41 < Mike_H> <3
2008-03-12 07:42 < TheWeasel> grassy steppes, Soviet architecture and very little else
2008-03-12 07:42 < TheWeasel> (oh and grassy marches)
2008-03-12 07:43 < TheWeasel> *marshes
2008-03-12 07:43 < arcimboldo_> Bangladesh may be comparatively boring in Asia.
2008-03-12 07:43 < TheWeasel> ya, despite the loads of people living there
2008-03-12 07:43 < Aqwis> but most asian countries are interesting to westerners anyway
2008-03-12 07:44 < TheWeasel> I don't know how interesting Laos is
2008-03-12 07:44 < arcimboldo_> sure
2008-03-12 07:44 < arcimboldo_> Laos is very interesting
2008-03-12 07:44 < arcimboldo_> golden pagodas etc.
2008-03-12 07:44 < TheWeasel> How bout Oman
2008-03-12 07:44 < arcimboldo_> jungle
2008-03-12 07:44 * arcimboldo_ has been to Oman, and it was reasonably interesting
2008-03-12 07:44 < arcimboldo_> for holidays that is
2008-03-12 07:44 < TheWeasel> oh good
2008-03-12 07:44 < TheWeasel> Mongolia?
2008-03-12 07:44 < zvook> Oman just got a rave review from a travel show here
2008-03-12 07:45 < zvook> Mangolia is mad interesting. cultural difference ftw.
2008-03-12 07:45 < arcimboldo_> Kuwait and Bahrain are much better bets in Arabia.
2008-03-12 07:45 < TheWeasel> Montserrat!
2008-03-12 07:45 < arcimboldo_> And perhaps Qatar
2008-03-12 07:45 < TheWeasel> very grey now
2008-03-12 07:45 < TheWeasel> most people try the UAE though
2008-03-12 07:47 < zvook> anyone ever read Will Lawson's Drinker's Guide to the Middle East on Rebel Inc.? Sounds interesting :P
2008-03-12 07:47 < arcimboldo_> four of my pictures from Oman: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Arcimboldo
2008-03-12 07:47 < TheWeasel> in my family the most boring large city anyone has ever been to is Phoenix, Arizona
2008-03-12 07:48 < TheWeasel> for myself, probably Orlando, Florida
2008-03-12 07:48 < TheWeasel> with Esbjerg in Denmark taking top honors for small cities
2008-03-12 07:48 < Mike_H> Tampa is more boring than Orlando
2008-03-12 07:48 < arcimboldo_> Well, there are some cities I find depressing although they have some nice or even famous places.
2008-03-12 07:48 < TheWeasel> never been there
2008-03-12 07:48 < zvook> Tampa is kinda dumpy
2008-03-12 07:48 < arcimboldo_> Bratislave is one.
2008-03-12 07:48 < arcimboldo_> a
2008-03-12 07:48 < Mike_H> Tampa's bigger than Orlando.
2008-03-12 07:49 < arcimboldo_> Athens was another one ...
2008-03-12 07:49 < zocky> bratislava is depressing
2008-03-12 07:49 < zocky> athens is infuriating
2008-03-12 07:49 < Aqwis> is it just me or are almost all american cities incredibly boring? i get that impression from reading their WP articles :|
2008-03-12 07:49 < Mike_H> I'd imagine anything in Slovakia would be depressing.
2008-03-12 07:49 < zocky> athens really needs to get more space or get rid of some people
2008-03-12 07:49 < Mike_H> When I think of countries I'd LOOOOOOOOVE to visit
2008-03-12 07:49 < arcimboldo_> not the Tatra mountains I guess
2008-03-12 07:49 < Mike_H> yeah, Slovakia doesn't crack the Top 100
2008-03-12 07:49 < Mike_H> sry.
2008-03-12 07:49 < TheWeasel> Aqwis: The ones that have a character and are not as planned aren't that boring
2008-03-12 07:50 < Aqwis> TheWeasel, i'm talking about random cities with 400 000 inhabitants
2008-03-12 07:50 < arcimboldo_> I found LA depressing too.
2008-03-12 07:50 < TheWeasel> But the 1850-1900 foundations tend to be quite listless
2008-03-12 07:50 < arcimboldo_> In contrast to San Diego
2008-03-12 07:50 < Aqwis> and american cities aren't as intimate (sp?) as european cities
2008-03-12 07:50 < Aqwis> too many roads
2008-03-12 07:50 < TheWeasel> Yea, Fort Worth must be awful
2008-03-12 07:50 < zocky> Mike_H, slovakis isn't THAT bad. it's just that czechia is so much better that everybody is laughing at slovaks for seceeding from it
2008-03-12 07:50 < zvook> lol
2008-03-12 07:50 < Mike_H> When I think of the former Czechoslovakia
2008-03-12 07:50 < Mike_H> the first thing I think of is
2008-03-12 07:50 < TheWeasel> Slovakia always seems like the working class cousin
2008-03-12 07:50 < Mike_H> "that's where they get like sex slaves to do really bad gay porn, and you can tell they're all on drugs and stuff"
2008-03-12 07:51 < TheWeasel> of the Czech republic
2008-03-12 07:51 < arcimboldo_> Well, the beauty of Bratislava was almost systematically destroyed during communism.
2008-03-12 07:51 < TheWeasel> Moravia has never been very glamorous
2008-03-12 07:51 < TheWeasel> I think
2008-03-12 07:51 < arcimboldo_> They cut a main road right through the historic centre.
2008-03-12 07:51 < Aqwis> yay, socialist modernism!
2008-03-12 07:51 < TheWeasel> Preßburg!
2008-03-12 07:52 < zocky> arcimboldo_, yeah, czech communists wanted to destroy slovakian national heritage
2008-03-12 07:52 < Mike_H> Apparently that's really popular now, to like outsource gay porn to actors in Czechoslovakia, who look like crack addicts doing it to pay for their next hit
2008-03-12 07:52 < Mike_H> it's totally disgusting
2008-03-12 07:52 * zocky always finds that hilarious
2008-03-12 07:52 < zocky> arcimboldo_, they'll also tell you it's the russians' fault that their country is a dump
2008-03-12 07:52 < zocky> arcimboldo_, that's just whining
2008-03-12 07:52 < TheWeasel> Slovakia is a dump?
2008-03-12 07:53 < zocky> it was the last time I was there
2008-03-12 07:53 < zocky> I see no reason to expect that anything is changed
2008-03-12 07:53 < Aqwis> russian cities east of the ural mountains
2008-03-12 07:53 < Aqwis> ew
2008-03-12 07:53 < TheWeasel> I dunno... I just always think of Slovakia as the Czech's working class bro.
2008-03-12 07:53 < TheWeasel> As I said, Kazakhstan seems easily the most depressing of the former Soviet republics
2008-03-12 07:53 < zocky> TheWeasel, more like ultranationalist ultrareligious rural brother
2008-03-12 07:54 < TheWeasel> that too
2008-03-12 07:54 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: I'd pay money to make sure Kazakh gay porn never occurs.
2008-03-12 07:54 < TheWeasel> Many Hungarians
2008-03-12 07:54 < Mike_H> The Czech stuff is just too gross, I can't imagine anything worse than that
2008-03-12 07:54 < TheWeasel> I think you'd win.
2008-03-12 07:54 < TheWeasel> Oh, I thought "bet"
2008-03-12 07:54 < arcimboldo_> Moldova may be more depressing than Kazakhstan
2008-03-12 07:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Anybody know off-hand what the style guidelines say about use of the term "he/she" as a gender-neutral pronoun?
2008-03-12 07:54 < TheWeasel> I'm not in on that
2008-03-12 07:55 < Aqwis> what are the most modern east european countries? haven't been there, but i'd guess estonia or the czech republic?
2008-03-12 07:55 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm kinda hoping it says "shoot on sight"
2008-03-12 07:55 < TheWeasel> Estonia is a strong contender.
2008-03-12 07:55 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: In English if you want to keep neutral you go plural
2008-03-12 07:55 < Mike_H> as "their"
2008-03-12 07:55 < zocky> Aqwis, depends what you mean by "modern"
2008-03-12 07:55 < zocky> eastern europe is not subsaharan africa
2008-03-12 07:55 < TheWeasel> Slovenia
2008-03-12 07:55 < arcimboldo_> Yeah ... Warszaw may not be too bad in terms of atmosphere.
2008-03-12 07:55 < zocky> all the places are modern
2008-03-12 07:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Mike_H: I won't use the plural, it looks stupid and sloppy.
2008-03-12 07:55 < TheWeasel> Warsaw is a pretty awful place
2008-03-12 07:56 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, what plural?
2008-03-12 07:56 < Mike_H> Then you can't write it, because English doesn't have gender-neutral pronouns, and Spivak pronouns are not accepted in English.
2008-03-12 07:56 < TheWeasel> I like singular they
2008-03-12 07:56 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, you mean the singular "they"?
2008-03-12 07:56 < Mike_H> they/their/them
2008-03-12 07:56 < Aqwis> zocky, you're right
2008-03-12 07:56 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, that's as plural and as wrong and as illogical as singular "you"
2008-03-12 07:56 < TheWeasel> use "man"
2008-03-12 07:56 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: yes, singular "they"
2008-03-12 07:56 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-12 07:56 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: I had the right idea
2008-03-12 07:56 < Mike_H> and you ignored it
2008-03-12 07:56 < Mike_H> so, thanks.
2008-03-12 07:56 < TheWeasel> AND YOU EATED IT
2008-03-12 07:56 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-12 07:57 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: I'd go for "he or she", but I prefer to just stick with "he" and assume neutrality.
2008-03-12 07:57 < Tony_Sidaway> Assumethe reader is a grown-up.
2008-03-12 07:57 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, that worked until failry recently... like 16th century?
2008-03-12 07:57 < NotACow> unsafe assumption around wikipedia.
2008-03-12 07:57 < Mike_H> If you use 'he' as neutral, you're assuming your reader is over the age of 50.
2008-03-12 07:57 < TheWeasel> there's a Latin law book which states at the beginning that unless otherwise stated "he" implies" he and she"
2008-03-12 07:57 < zvook> singular they is evil.
2008-03-12 07:57 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, "they" has been used for gender-neutral pronouns in english for hundreds of years, including books by the masters
2008-03-12 07:58 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: I agree, but it still looks sloppy
2008-03-12 07:58 < zvook> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gender-neutral_language
2008-03-12 07:58 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, only if you have a plum stuck up your ass
2008-03-12 07:58 * TheWeasel is quite conservative linguistically and likes singular they
2008-03-12 07:58 < Mike_H> zocky: roffle.
2008-03-12 07:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Anyway, no supporters of he/she then?
2008-03-12 07:58 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: This is 2008, not 1968.
2008-03-12 07:58 < TheWeasel> USE SHE
2008-03-12 07:58 < arcimboldo_> (s)he?
2008-03-12 07:58 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-12 07:58 < zvook> no, "he or she" is better than the slash
2008-03-12 07:58 < Mike_H> You don't be getting support for he/she.
2008-03-12 07:58 < Mike_H> *won't
2008-03-12 07:58 < NotACow> s/he
2008-03-12 07:58 < NotACow> zie
2008-03-12 07:58 < NotACow> e
2008-03-12 07:58 < arcimboldo_> "the person"
2008-03-12 07:58 < TheWeasel> If it was 1968, I'd suggest "the comradess"
2008-03-12 07:58 < NotACow> *e
2008-03-12 07:59 < NotACow> blee!
2008-03-12 07:59 < zocky> how about (s)he?
2008-03-12 07:59 < Tony_Sidaway> I might use he or she once, and then move to he with she assumed.
2008-03-12 07:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Definitely not (s)he.
2008-03-12 07:59 < Mike_H> No, he wouldn't be something I'd condone in contemporary writing.
2008-03-12 07:59 * TheWeasel would condone but prefer singular they
2008-03-12 07:59 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't want to be contemporary, I want to be readable.
2008-03-12 07:59 < Hiya> hello
2008-03-12 08:00 < TheWeasel> To a contemporaty.
2008-03-12 08:00 < TheWeasel> *r
2008-03-12 08:00 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: What you're doing is being old. My mother would say "he" but it's not accepted in today's English.
2008-03-12 08:00 < zocky> "he" hasn't been accepted as neutral since the grammatical gender got lost
2008-03-12 08:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Mike_H: mine is the generation that worked out the modern rules. We experimented with all kind of stuff. To say I'm the generation that used "he" is incorrect.
2008-03-12 08:00 < NotACow> i strongly disapprove of singular they.
2008-03-12 08:01 < zocky> it's just that "manuals for careful writers" had the silly idea that it's illogical
2008-03-12 08:01 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: If your generation worked out the modern rules, you know what they are, so we can stop having this discussion!
2008-03-12 08:01 < TheWeasel> I am TheWeasel, and I approve that pronun.
2008-03-12 08:01 < Tony_Sidaway> But I still think neutral "he" is simplest.
2008-03-12 08:01 < zocky> because it didn't fit the latin grammar
2008-03-12 08:01 < arcimboldo_> Germans always envy the English because their language is more gender-neutral ...
2008-03-12 08:01 < TheWeasel> We do?
2008-03-12 08:01 < arcimboldo_> at least you don't have female endings to professions etc.
2008-03-12 08:01 < TheWeasel> We have the word "Mensch" and shit
2008-03-12 08:01 < zocky> arcimboldo_, it's not really
2008-03-12 08:01 < TheWeasel> hm
2008-03-12 08:01 < arcimboldo_> we have "teacherette" etc.
2008-03-12 08:02 < Hiya> french is more complicated
2008-03-12 08:02 < Hiya> they have a word for everything
2008-03-12 08:02 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: If you're just going to do what you want anyway, I still fail to see why we're talking about it.
2008-03-12 08:02 < Tony_Sidaway> Mike_H: the modern rules probably lean towards "he" for readability. I'll consult some modern documents and see what I get.
2008-03-12 08:02 < zocky> in languages that have grammatical gender, people don't care that "he" is the neutral pronoun, because they don't connect grammatical gender 100% to biological sex
2008-03-12 08:02 < Tony_Sidaway> Obviously I'll just do what I want. It woud be illogical to do otherwise. But first I need to work out what I want.
2008-03-12 08:02 < TheWeasel> when the police allowed women in the 1960s one of the suggestions for name was "Bulette" (meatball), from "Bulle" (cop)
2008-03-12 08:03 < TheWeasel> (humoro[u]sly)
2008-03-12 08:03 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Germany didn't allow female cops until the 1960s?
2008-03-12 08:03 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: well yes :)
2008-03-12 08:03 < zocky> there's nothing masculine about a chair, and nothing feminine about a table
2008-03-12 08:03 < TheWeasel> I think so.
2008-03-12 08:03 < zocky> so nobody cares if "he" is used to mean singular they
2008-03-12 08:03 < arcimboldo_> there's still enough people who care ..
2008-03-12 08:04 < zocky> arcimboldo_, in german?
2008-03-12 08:04 < zocky> or french?
2008-03-12 08:04 < arcimboldo_> zocky: Yep ...
2008-03-12 08:04 < TheWeasel> "man"...
2008-03-12 08:04 < TheWeasel> or you just repeat the noun
2008-03-12 08:04 < TheWeasel> "the reaser"
2008-03-12 08:04 < TheWeasel> *d
2008-03-12 08:04 < arcimboldo_> In particular during the 80s and early 90s many feminists tried to implement gender-neutral language.
2008-03-12 08:04 < zocky> TheWeasel, has anybody tried to replace "man" with "frau" or something neutral?
2008-03-12 08:04 < arcimboldo_> "man und frau"
2008-03-12 08:04 < arcimboldo_> "LehrerInnen"
2008-03-12 08:05 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-03-12 08:05 < arcimboldo_> zocky: yes, definitely
2008-03-12 08:05 < TheWeasel> the women's movement in its pamphlets
2008-03-12 08:05 < TheWeasel> "das sollte frau so machen."
2008-03-12 08:05 < zocky> that's just silly :)
2008-03-12 08:05 < Tony_Sidaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Gender-neutral_language
2008-03-12 08:05 < TheWeasel> it is.
2008-03-12 08:05 < zvook> i posted that about ten minutes ago
2008-03-12 08:05 < zocky> TheWeasel, do you feel "man" as masculine in those sentences at all?
2008-03-12 08:05 < TheWeasel> arcimboldo_: Raising the interesting question "but what about LehrerAußen"?
2008-03-12 08:06 < TheWeasel> no
2008-03-12 08:06 < TheWeasel> man is perfectly neutral
2008-03-12 08:06 < Tony_Sidaway> Oh I remember "womyn" in English. It was quite popular with separatists and other radicals in the early 1980s.
2008-03-12 08:06 < arcimboldo_> of course it has some subconscious connotation ...
2008-03-12 08:06 < zocky> arcimboldo_, the need to have masculine and feminine names for occupations is another consequence of grammatical gender
2008-03-12 08:07 < arcimboldo_> Hm ... you could solve that by just varying the article ...
2008-03-12 08:07 < zocky> for things that have biological sex, there's a general need to use the right gender of a noun, so that adjectives and verbs fit naturally
2008-03-12 08:07 < Tony_Sidaway> I think perhaps "they" is the most acceptable gender-neutral usage in English, even if it makes me wrinkle my nose a bit.
2008-03-12 08:08 < yao_ziyuan> those xinjiang people have more guts than we han people
2008-03-12 08:09 < yao_ziyuan> those who dare to give their own lives for their goals
2008-03-12 08:09 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, e.g. "Wayne Leman at Better Bibles Blog has posted a substantial list of "singular they" examples from the long history of English-language bible translation, starting with Tyndale in 1526 and continuing up to versions from the past decade."
2008-03-12 08:09 < yao_ziyuan> call them 911 terrorists or xinjiang terorists
2008-03-12 08:10 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: yes I know it's been around a while (unlike some other constructions)
2008-03-12 08:10 < Tony_Sidaway> This suggests that its utility is established.
2008-03-12 08:10 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, "they" is the neutral singular pronoun in english, the feeling that it's sloppy writing is a consequence of silly 19th century affairs
2008-03-12 08:10 * NotACow wonders where the unoccupied bridge is
2008-03-12 08:10 < Tony_Sidaway> Quite possibly
2008-03-12 08:10 < zocky> the same as "avoid split infinitives" or "don't put a preposition at an end of a sentence"
2008-03-12 08:11 < yao_ziyuan> they deserve good men dying for
2008-03-12 08:11 < zocky> yao_ziyuan, seems to me that han were perfectly willing to die for their cause when they had a cause worth dying for
2008-03-12 08:11 < Tony_Sidaway> I spend my whole life in search of infinitives to perversely split and sentences to put my prepositions at the ending of.
2008-03-12 08:11 < yao_ziyuan> ... maybe
2008-03-12 08:11 < TheWeasel> the funny thing is that "Frau"
2008-03-12 08:11 < TheWeasel> comes from frô which means master, lord
2008-03-12 08:11 < yao_ziyuan> when they're brainwashed
2008-03-12 08:11 < TheWeasel> hence MAN
2008-03-12 08:12 < yao_ziyuan> like in korean war
2008-03-12 08:12 < yao_ziyuan> it was all caused by the japanese
2008-03-12 08:12 < yao_ziyuan> after wwii, han soldiers still had some guts
2008-03-12 08:13 < yao_ziyuan> so they were used in korea
2008-03-12 08:13 < Tony_Sidaway> Singular "they" is almost universal in colloquial English. I suppose the feeling of sloppiness comes from its relative uncommon use in more formal English.
2008-03-12 08:14 < yao_ziyuan> why does america send its own sons to iraq, instead of letting mercs do all the dangerous work?
2008-03-12 08:14 < yao_ziyuan> because america doesn't want to lose its guts
2008-03-12 08:14 < TheWeasel> yao_ziyuan: Accountability.
2008-03-12 08:14 < TheWeasel> (or what is left of it)
2008-03-12 08:14 < yao_ziyuan> define it...
2008-03-12 08:14 < yao_ziyuan> ah
2008-03-12 08:14 < Aqwis2> there aren't enough mercs for that, are there?
2008-03-12 08:14 < yao_ziyuan> got you now
2008-03-12 08:14 < TheWeasel> you don't outsource responsibility
2008-03-12 08:14 < Tony_Sidaway> If I talk about some non-gender specific person in English, I almost invariably use "they" to refer to them in English. It's absolutely the given in colloquial usage.
2008-03-12 08:14 < pengo> does blackwater = mercs?
2008-03-12 08:14 < yao_ziyuan> or fault
2008-03-12 08:15 < yao_ziyuan> those suicide bombers and airplane hijackers
2008-03-12 08:15 < yao_ziyuan> they have guts
2008-03-12 08:15 < TheWeasel> That statement cost Bill Maher his job.
2008-03-12 08:15 < TheWeasel> Even though it is correct.
2008-03-12 08:15 < yao_ziyuan> some minority ethnicitie in china also have guts
2008-03-12 08:16 < yao_ziyuan> we han ethnicity doesn't
2008-03-12 08:16 < Lycurgus> don't
2008-03-12 08:16 < TheWeasel> no
2008-03-12 08:16 < TheWeasel> ethnicity is singular
2008-03-12 08:16 < yao_ziyuan> people with guts,
2008-03-12 08:16 < Lycurgus> [[Deval Patrick]] has an ugly broken table.
2008-03-12 08:16 < yao_ziyuan> when armed by american military aids,
2008-03-12 08:16 < TheWeasel> and it's not a British plural either
2008-03-12 08:16 < zocky> TheWeasel, "we" is plural
2008-03-12 08:16 < yao_ziyuan> who knows what they can do
2008-03-12 08:17 < TheWeasel> oh
2008-03-12 08:17 < TheWeasel> okay
2008-03-12 08:17 < TheWeasel> I figured he didn't mean "we"
2008-03-12 08:17 < TheWeasel> but maybe he does
2008-03-12 08:17 < Tony_Sidaway> Ah, I remember why I switched from "they" to "he" inthe first place now: it was "allowing them to sell them" which was confusing. I'll just have to be more explicit.
2008-03-12 08:17 < zocky> yeah
2008-03-12 08:17 < yao_ziyuan> the han people, are "stable", in chinese political terms
2008-03-12 08:18 < yao_ziyuan> stable people don't dare to uprise
2008-03-12 08:18 < zocky> yao_ziyuan, people fight when there's something worth dying for
2008-03-12 08:18 < Lycurgus> except at the end of a dynastic cycle
2008-03-12 08:18 < Lycurgus> when the rulers loose the mandate of heaven
2008-03-12 08:18 < yao_ziyuan> remember i dreamed for the chinese people to deploy roadside bombs against government officials in this channel back in early 2006?
2008-03-12 08:18 < zocky> obviously, han are doing good enough that they don't think there's something worth dying to fight for
2008-03-12 08:18 < Lycurgus> or somebody new gets it.
2008-03-12 08:18 < Aqwis2> zocky, is anything worth dying for?
2008-03-12 08:18 < yao_ziyuan> someone finally did it
2008-03-12 08:18 < zocky> Aqwis2, sure
2008-03-12 08:19 < Aqwis2> depends on your view of life and death i guess..
2008-03-12 08:19 < zocky> Aqwis2, saving one's child is the most obvious example of something most people with children would die for
2008-03-12 08:19 < Aqwis2> instincts
2008-03-12 08:20 < Tony_Sidaway> Funny about news. I somehow thought there was a lot of news coverage of Wikipedia of late, but when I looked I found it was all buried low down on tech page (at least in the UK).
2008-03-12 08:20 < zocky> rational evaluation of what's important to you
2008-03-12 08:20 < Aqwis2> social reaction of not dying to save your child
2008-03-12 08:20 < Lycurgus> one could equally ask is anything worth living for in the current social order (other than its overthrow)
2008-03-12 08:20 < yao_ziyuan> seeing your enemy die is something you may be willing to die for
2008-03-12 08:20 < Aqwis2> does it being important to you matter when you are dead?
2008-03-12 08:20 < Tony_Sidaway> The Guardian doesn't even seem to have any recent Wikipedia stories at all.
2008-03-12 08:20 < Lycurgus> manchester?
2008-03-12 08:21 < zvook> it's a national but yeah
2008-03-12 08:21 < Tony_Sidaway> It hasn't been the Manchester Guardian since 1959.
2008-03-12 08:21 < Tony_Sidaway> It does still have an office in Manchester though.
2008-03-12 08:21 < zocky> guardian has gone awfully middle-of-the-road
2008-03-12 08:21 < zocky> labour government is bad for them
2008-03-12 08:21 * zvook reads the morning star after sending a telex to prussia post-haste
2008-03-12 08:21 < Lycurgus> well you know. Semi tabloid anyway. Wonder why brit newspapers tend to be.
2008-03-12 08:22 < zvook> semi-tabloid?
2008-03-12 08:22 < Lycurgus> not the Sun
2008-03-12 08:22 < Tony_Sidaway> The format
2008-03-12 08:22 < zvook> oh the berliner or something, isn't it called?
2008-03-12 08:22 < Tony_Sidaway> It's a format called "Berliner" I think
2008-03-12 08:22 < zvook> heh yeah
2008-03-12 08:22 < zocky> after john kennedy
2008-03-12 08:22 < mexicanbanana> Are monkeys really considered dumber than dolphins?
2008-03-12 08:22 < arcimboldo_> The descent of the Times in particularly depressing ... it used to be THE newspaper, not only in the UK, in the early 80s when I grew up.
2008-03-12 08:22 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: The new Jimmy story is now on the top stories at BBC World.
2008-03-12 08:22 < zocky> mexicanbanana, that's a dumb question
2008-03-12 08:22 < Mike_H> right after the story about the unveiling of the new UK budget
2008-03-12 08:23 < Tony_Sidaway> I hate The Times. I don't trust Murdoch.
2008-03-12 08:23 < NotACow> the UK has a budget?
2008-03-12 08:23 < Mike_H> and right before the story of tigers possibly becoming extinct.
2008-03-12 08:23 < NotACow> how much for tea and crumpets?
2008-03-12 08:23 < Lycurgus> probably, they have smaller brains
2008-03-12 08:23 < yao_ziyuan> can you imagine the recently airliner bomber in china is a xinjiang teenager girl?
2008-03-12 08:23 < mexicanbanana> zocky: Why?
2008-03-12 08:23 < yao_ziyuan> *recent
2008-03-12 08:23 < arcimboldo_> Tony_Sidaway: Well, it was completely non-Murdoch at that time ... it was left liberal.
2008-03-12 08:23 < Tony_Sidaway> Mike_H: gosh. When I looked a few minutes ago it was second story on tech.
2008-03-12 08:23 < zocky> mexicanbanana, which dolphins, which monkeys, dumber in what way?
2008-03-12 08:23 < mexicanbanana> I keep hearing that humans and monkeys are so similar, but that dolphins are the second most intelligent animal on this planet.
2008-03-12 08:23 < yao_ziyuan> even if she finally didn't dare to detonate the bomb,
2008-03-12 08:23 < Aqwis2> obviously, murdoch is controlled by the bilderberg group...
2008-03-12 08:23 < Mike_H> http://news.bbc.co.uk/
2008-03-12 08:23 < yao_ziyuan> would china execute her?
2008-03-12 08:23 < Mike_H> now it's the final top story.
2008-03-12 08:23 < Tony_Sidaway> arcimboldo_: well Murdoch bought it in 1981. I went off it then.
2008-03-12 08:24 < Mike_H> Beijing rebuffs Olympics critics
2008-03-12 08:24 < Mike_H> Taleban threat hits Afghan phones
2008-03-12 08:24 < Mike_H> Wiki boss 'edited for donation'
2008-03-12 08:24 < mexicanbanana> Dumber as in general intelligence. And dolphins/monkeys in general or the smartest version of each.
2008-03-12 08:24 < yao_ziyuan> when china's Qing dynasty is nearing its end,
2008-03-12 08:24 < Tony_Sidaway> But I was a Grauniad reader by 1976 anyway.
2008-03-12 08:24 < zvook> telegraph online has a big piece on it also