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2008-03-11 14:04 * NotACow glances over [[Barack Obama]] and [[Wikipedia]]; those articles are likely to get much better scores than the preceding ones
2008-03-11 14:05 < NotACow> probably A and A-, respectively.
2008-03-11 14:05 < Cyrius> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API
2008-03-11 14:09 < mooboo1> there is portal, but it changes sometime page instead of /1 (which exist), it goto /2 or /3 or /4 or /5 who dont exist, why?
2008-03-11 14:10 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-11 14:11 * NotACow has an account that she uses only for API access
2008-03-11 14:11 < catzilla> eh
2008-03-11 14:13 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR CATZ!
2008-03-11 14:14 < Thehelpfulone2> Ceiling_Cat: you have gone cat crazy o.O
2008-03-11 14:17 * Ceiling_Cat challenges Thehelpfulone2 to a cat throwing contest
2008-03-11 14:18 * Thehelpfulone2 accepts
2008-03-11 14:18 * Thehelpfulone2 throws thousands of cats
2008-03-11 14:18 * Thehelpfulone2 wins
2008-03-11 14:19 < nsh> how many people live in the US?
2008-03-11 14:19 < Thehelpfulone2> nsh: google :D
2008-03-11 14:19 < nsh> bout 300 million?
2008-03-11 14:19 < nsh> google lies to me
2008-03-11 14:19 < nsh> i only trust anonymous people on irc
2008-03-11 14:19 < Thehelpfulone2> Population: 301,139,947 (July 2007 est.)
2008-03-11 14:20 * nsh does some mental calculation
2008-03-11 14:20 < nsh> if there are 300 million people in the us, and ~1 million have sign a petition to have their president impeached
2008-03-11 14:20 < nsh> that's like, one in three hundred
2008-03-11 14:21 < Messedrocker> YES !!!
2008-03-11 14:21 < Messedrocker> zero suit samus!!
2008-03-11 14:21 * Messedrocker unlocked that sexy bitch
2008-03-11 14:21 * nsh lifts Messedrocker on his shield and parades him around the city triumphantly
2008-03-11 14:21 < Ceiling_Cat> yes, 300 million is accurate
2008-03-11 14:22 < Cometstyles> 1/6 aliens :P
2008-03-11 14:22 * Ceiling_Cat shines a spotlight on Cometstyles
2008-03-11 14:22 < Cometstyles> some from mars, others from canada :P
2008-03-11 14:22 * Cometstyles grins :DD
2008-03-11 14:22 < nsh> mmm, peachy
2008-03-11 14:22 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Board of Airport Commissioners of Los Angeles v. Jews for Jesus, Inc.]]
2008-03-11 14:22 < Ceiling_Cat> new article
2008-03-11 14:22 < Ceiling_Cat> (best named court case ever)
2008-03-11 14:22 < compwhizii> lol
2008-03-11 14:23 < NotACow> dumbass case, though
2008-03-11 14:23 * nsh wonders how many jews for a jesus at the current exchange rate
2008-03-11 14:23 < NotACow> LAX was stupid for trying to make a rule against "First Amendment activities"
2008-03-11 14:23 < nsh> dunno, free speech zones were a hit
2008-03-11 14:23 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - as opposed to say, a free speech zone?
2008-03-11 14:23 < nsh> boom
2008-03-11 14:23 < Sfan00> A free speech zone is so inhenrently not
2008-03-11 14:23 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-03-11 14:24 < Ceiling_Cat> Sfan00 - I know. I wrote the article
2008-03-11 14:24 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: free speech zones are highly questionable legally
2008-03-11 14:24 < Ceiling_Cat> I agree
2008-03-11 14:24 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: they've never been successfully challenged because they are usually mooted before an appeal can be had
2008-03-11 14:24 < nsh> mooooooooooooooted?
2008-03-11 14:24 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - actually, they were upheld
2008-03-11 14:24 < Ceiling_Cat> Bursey faced up to six months in prison and a US$5,000 fine.[16] After a bench trial, Bursey was convicted of the offense of trespassing, but judge Bristow Marchant deemed the offense to be relatively minor and ordered a fine of $500 be assessed, which Bursey appealed, and lost.[25] In his ruling, Marchant found that "this is not to say that the Secret Service's power to restrict the area around the President is absolute, nor does the Court find
2008-03-11 14:24 < nsh> weak
2008-03-11 14:24 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: that's not a free speech zone issue
2008-03-11 14:24 < Ceiling_Cat> The ruling found that Bursey was not the victim of selective prosecution because Bursey was the only person who had refused an order to leave the area. However, this overlooks the fact that nobody else refused to leave the zone because nobody else was asked to leave. [26]
2008-03-11 14:24 < nsh> cataleptic fail.
2008-03-11 14:24 < NotACow> it's a presidential protection issue
2008-03-11 14:25 < Ceiling_Cat> The prosecution claimed that the protected zone around the President was 100 yards wide. However, it was unmarked, with cars and trucks allowed to pass through and drop off ticket-holders, and nobody was willing to tell protesters where the zone's boundaries were. Marchant's decision noted this but did not find this unreasonable. [26]
2008-03-11 14:25 < nsh> Krimpet!
2008-03-11 14:25 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: plus, LAX tried to ban all "First Amendment activities" in the entirety of the airport.
2008-03-11 14:25 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: TPM restrictions have to be "reasonable"
2008-03-11 14:25 * nsh toasts Krimpet's good health and lauditude
2008-03-11 14:26 < Krimpet> hello :)
2008-03-11 14:26 < nsh> and laudinum
2008-03-11 14:26 < nsh> laudy, yessa
2008-03-11 14:26 < Ceiling_Cat> The Bush administration has done more to curtail civil liberties in this area that any prior administration
2008-03-11 14:26 < Sfan00> NotACow: Not unlike Heathrow which i think succeded
2008-03-11 14:26 * Ceiling_Cat gives Krimpet the obligatory facehuggling
2008-03-11 14:26 < NotACow> Sfan00: yes, but that's britain; you guys have no civil rights :)
2008-03-11 14:26 < Sfan00> Celiing_cat: Come on
2008-03-11 14:26 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: bush doesn't believe in civil rights.
2008-03-11 14:27 < Messedrocker> er
2008-03-11 14:27 * nsh gives Ceiling_Cat and oligopeptide
2008-03-11 14:27 < Sfan00> How many rights did Rossevelt take away during WWII?
2008-03-11 14:27 < nsh> *an
2008-03-11 14:27 < Messedrocker> did the giant ice climbers just commit suicide?
2008-03-11 14:27 < nsh> seventeen
2008-03-11 14:27 < Ceiling_Cat> Sfan00 - there are a number of differences here
2008-03-11 14:27 < nsh> are you asking us for commentary on your video gaming, Messedrocker?
2008-03-11 14:27 < Ceiling_Cat> (a) that was a real war. Bush's "war on terror
2008-03-11 14:27 < nsh> irc: the fourth assistant.
2008-03-11 14:27 < Sfan00> Is also a 'war'
2008-03-11 14:27 < Ceiling_Cat> is not a real war. In fact, the idea of prepetual war is something that would make orwell turn over in his grave
2008-03-11 14:27 < NotACow> more like "war on american pocketbooks"
2008-03-11 14:28 < NotACow> it's not a war
2008-03-11 14:28 < Sfan00> Bear in mind the use was attacked on 9/11
2008-03-11 14:28 < NotACow> it's an excuse
2008-03-11 14:28 < Sfan00> by an enemey using unoconventional means
2008-03-11 14:28 < nsh> they actually buries orwel on a greased axle for exactly this reason
2008-03-11 14:28 < nsh> axel?
2008-03-11 14:28 < NotACow> nsh: foley?
2008-03-11 14:28 < Demi> orwell?
2008-03-11 14:28 < nsh> bandanaphylactic shock
2008-03-11 14:28 < Ceiling_Cat> Sfan00 - Terrorism is like crime - you can't declare war on it anymore than you can declare a "war" on crime
2008-03-11 14:28 < nsh> ur-well
2008-03-11 14:28 < nsh> the original prognosticator
2008-03-11 14:29 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: hey, reagan declared war on drugs. same idea.
2008-03-11 14:29 < Sfan00> Celing_Cat: You can fight crime
2008-03-11 14:29 < Sfan00> You can fight drugs
2008-03-11 14:29 < NotACow> Sfan00: preferably with gruff-speaking dogs.
2008-03-11 14:29 < Sfan00> whether you can win the war is a different matter
2008-03-11 14:29 < Ceiling_Cat> Sfan00 - the POLICE fight crime - the military does not
2008-03-11 14:29 < Sfan00> Not yet...
2008-03-11 14:29 * Krimpet takes a bite out of crime. mmm, cream filling
2008-03-11 14:29 < Sfan00> Give the US time...
2008-03-11 14:29 < Ceiling_Cat> and if you don't understand the legal distinctions between using the police and military, you really need to learn
2008-03-11 14:29 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: that's an american distrinction. in some countries the police and the military are the same entity.
2008-03-11 14:29 < Ceiling_Cat> because that's a huge legal distinction
2008-03-11 14:30 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - true. Posse comitatis is AMerican
2008-03-11 14:30 < Sfan00> In the US maybe
2008-03-11 14:30 < Ceiling_Cat> But it's a very important legal distinction
2008-03-11 14:30 < NotACow> Sfan00: we inherited it from the brits
2008-03-11 14:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Sfan00 - see [[Posse Comitatus Act]]
2008-03-11 14:30 < nsh> know who else has a posse?
2008-03-11 14:30 < nsh> ANDRE THE FREAKIN' GIANT, that's who
2008-03-11 14:30 < Sfan00> Gangs?
2008-03-11 14:30 < NotACow> nsh: jimmy wales?
2008-03-11 14:31 < Ceiling_Cat> if Nsh says osama bin laden....
2008-03-11 14:31 * Ceiling_Cat is going to steals his innocence
2008-03-11 14:31 < nsh> sin bin for capitalising any letter of my nick
2008-03-11 14:31 < nsh> first offense, warning
2008-03-11 14:31 < nsh> :-)
2008-03-11 14:31 < NotACow> nSh
2008-03-11 14:31 * nsh upends NotACow
2008-03-11 14:31 * NotACow paints nsh blue
2008-03-11 14:32 * NotACow makes nsh rewrite [[Valentine's Day]]
2008-03-11 14:32 * nsh converts NotACow to nonorientability
2008-03-11 14:32 * nsh resumes NotACow's evolutionary journey
2008-03-11 14:33 < nsh> i wish i hadn't wasted half a tub of margerine trying to make icing from terrible chocolate
2008-03-11 14:33 < nsh> (just ended up with terrible chocolate flavoured sugar, was not win)
2008-03-11 14:33 < Rinn> I wish I had a million billion dollars.
2008-03-11 14:33 < NotACow> nsh: there is only one use for margarine.
2008-03-11 14:34 < NotACow> nsh: that use is to throw it away and buy butter.
2008-03-11 14:34 < Messedrocker> NotACow, that's right
2008-03-11 14:34 < Messedrocker> butter's healthier for you anyway
2008-03-11 14:34 < NotACow> Messedrocker: indeed.
2008-03-11 14:34 < nsh> you'd say that
2008-03-11 14:35 < mooboo1> there is portal, but it changes sometime page instead of /1 (which exist), it goto /2 or /3 or /4 or /5 who dont exist, why?
2008-03-11 14:36 < mooboo1> anyone know what i mean?
2008-03-11 14:39 * nsh soo knows what you mean
2008-03-11 14:40 < mooboo1> you know why it is like that? and if it can be fixed?
2008-03-11 14:42 * nsh was just empaphising with you
2008-03-11 14:42 < nsh> no idea what you're talking about
2008-03-11 14:42 < nsh> but i'm eating some good ham sandwich
2008-03-11 14:42 < nsh> so i feel at one with my fellow man
2008-03-11 14:42 < nsh> or mooboo
2008-03-11 14:42 < nsh> whatever
2008-03-11 14:43 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1157399920080311
2008-03-11 14:43 < Ceiling_Cat> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than one in four U.S. teen girls is infected with at least one sexually transmitted disease, and the rate is highest among blacks, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday.
2008-03-11 14:43 < Ceiling_Cat> An estimated 3.2 million U.S. girls ages 14 and 19 -- about 26 percent of that age group -- have a sexually transmitted infection such as the human papillomavirus or HPV, chlamydia, genital herpes or trichomoniasis, the CDC said.
2008-03-11 14:43 < nsh> yay for evolution
2008-03-11 14:45 < Ceiling_Cat> http://xkcd.com/393/
2008-03-11 14:45 < Ceiling_Cat> LOLOL!
2008-03-11 14:45 < Ceiling_Cat> The perfect send-off
2008-03-11 14:46 < nsh> D&D guy?
2008-03-11 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> yes
2008-03-11 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Gary Gyjax
2008-03-11 14:46 < nsh> yah, that was a goodun
2008-03-11 14:46 < nsh> gyjax is an awesome name
2008-03-11 14:46 * nsh hyjax it
2008-03-11 14:46 < Ceiling_Cat> nsh - the Uzi (the machine gun) was named after it's inventor, Uzi Gal
2008-03-11 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> Gal did *not* want his name attached to it
2008-03-11 14:47 < Ceiling_Cat> but the distributor insisted
2008-03-11 14:48 < quanticle|away> nsh: As Tycho of Penny Arcade put it so eloquently: "Gygax always struck me as a tremendously sinister name: no mortal name, this. This was the sort of name one earned in the service of horned devils and more primordial shapes of evil, a boon for the loyal servant, placed like a black crown on the bowed head."
2008-03-11 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Btw, "uzi" is hebew for "My strength"
2008-03-11 14:48 < Ceiling_Cat> very appropriate
2008-03-11 14:49 < quanticle> Heh. The Kalashnikov is named after its inventor too.
2008-03-11 14:50 < Ceiling_Cat> Kalashnikov is still alive too
2008-03-11 14:54 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Yeah. The dude's still lucid too, which is even more surprising.
2008-03-11 14:55 < Sceptre> Luna!
2008-03-11 14:55 < Luna-San> Allo~
2008-03-11 14:56 < quanticle> Ok. I'm off to school.
2008-03-11 15:01 < NotACow> meep
2008-03-11 15:02 < Messedrocker> notacow, why were you torn between a C- and a D+ for the Wiki article?
2008-03-11 15:02 < Messedrocker> i would have given it the D+
2008-03-11 15:02 * nsh returns from msn land
2008-03-11 15:02 < nsh> awesome factoids *
2008-03-11 15:03 < NotASpider> "The result was Delete Subject of this article has yet to play a professional game. As mentioned below having a squad number for a professional team and still not actually playing is not enough to pass notability."
2008-03-11 15:03 < NotASpider> O RLY
2008-03-11 15:06 < Dau> hello
2008-03-11 15:06 < Dau> I have a question concerning Wikipedia.
2008-03-11 15:06 < Messedrocker> yes?
2008-03-11 15:07 < NotASpider> the answer is "no"
2008-03-11 15:07 < dungodung> the question isn't a yes/no type
2008-03-11 15:09 < NotASpider> how do you know
2008-03-11 15:09 < Messedrocker> Dau, what is your question
2008-03-11 15:10 < Dau> Well, Kosovo has been a self-declared state for weeks and has an article on WP written in that fashion. Even the flag has its own article. Now there has been info on the TBA anthem, should it have an article too?
2008-03-11 15:10 < Messedrocker> if there's enough information to make an article, then go ahead
2008-03-11 15:11 < Dau> So far, this is what I know:
2008-03-11 15:11 < Dau> http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080311731/Culture-and-Sports/Competition-for-the-national-anthem.html
2008-03-11 15:12 < Dau> I can't find an official source though. But I think mentioning that the EU anthem was used during the declaration is a noteworthy thing that could be mentioned in the article.
2008-03-11 15:12 < dungodung> ah kosovo, the godforsaken topic
2008-03-11 15:13 < Dau> Now, I'm planning to become a "wikipedian ;) " but don't want to start with too difficult or important topics.
2008-03-11 15:13 < NotASpider> an article about the kosovar anthem would be fine regardless of whether kosovo is a real country
2008-03-11 15:13 < mooboo1> cant be bothered about kosovo, for what i care, they may as well keep on killing each other, as they have done for the last 50 years lol
2008-03-11 15:13 < Dau> I've checked and NOrthen Cyprus and states like that have their own anthem articles.
2008-03-11 15:13 < mooboo1> "this is mine country", "no this is mine country", "its ours", "not anymore, now its ours"
2008-03-11 15:14 < mooboo1> best would be just to nuke kosovo to make everyone shut up
2008-03-11 15:14 < Dau> I understand the fuss, but it isn't really the point of this conversation
2008-03-11 15:14 < NotASpider> this land is your land, this land is my land
2008-03-11 15:14 * Messedrocker claims Kosovo in the name of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
2008-03-11 15:15 < NotASpider> if i'm not mistaken there was once a movement to change the u.s. anthem to the infamous woody guthrie tune
2008-03-11 15:15 < Dau> well, if someone wants to go ahead and start it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_anthem_of_Kosovo
2008-03-11 15:15 < NotASpider> obviously you know more about it than the rest of us.
2008-03-11 15:15 < Dau> I can help finding sources etc, but am not a real wikipedian or even native English-speaker
2008-03-11 15:15 < NotASpider> do it up, yo
2008-03-11 15:16 < NotASpider> but you have the information. that's more important.
2008-03-11 15:16 < Dau> I am surprised no-one has done it yet. I'm not too familiar with WP guidelines, English and such, so someone'd have to be kind enough to review it for me.
2008-03-11 15:17 < NotASpider> ok post the link again after you save it. somebody here will be able to make it look pretty.
2008-03-11 15:19 < NotASpider> your english seems fine. i wouldn't have guessed it wasn't your first language if you hadn't said so.
2008-03-11 15:20 < Dau> I'll create a WP account first
2008-03-11 15:22 < Thehelpfulone2> NotASpider o.O
2008-03-11 15:23 < NotASpider> what
2008-03-11 15:23 * Ceiling_Cat glues ears, whiskers, and a tail onto Thehelpfulone2
2008-03-11 15:23 < Thehelpfulone2> nooo
2008-03-11 15:23 * Ceiling_Cat pets Thehelpfulone2_cat
2008-03-11 15:23 < Thehelpfulone2> :(
2008-03-11 15:25 * NotACow thikns she's going to give [[Barack Obama]] an A rating
2008-03-11 15:25 < Messedrocker> \o/
2008-03-11 15:26 < NotACow> [[Wikipedia]] I can't give to give hierh than an A-
2008-03-11 15:26 < NotASpider> aren't the bloody primaries over yet
2008-03-11 15:26 < Messedrocker> NotACow, I want to make a thousand clones of you and stuff them all in a cubefarm reviewing Wikipedia articles
2008-03-11 15:26 < NotACow> Messedrocker: we'd revolt.
2008-03-11 15:26 < Messedrocker> what if i gave them one martini per hour?
2008-03-11 15:27 < NotASpider> messedrocker, she's probably done that already
2008-03-11 15:27 < NotACow> Messedrocker: all the reviews would say the same thing
2008-03-11 15:27 < NotASpider> hehehe
2008-03-11 15:27 < NotACow> Messedrocker: "HIC!"
2008-03-11 15:36 < TheWeasel> hiccough in a slough?
2008-03-11 15:36 < TheWeasel> a Slough slough?
2008-03-11 15:38 < NotACow> i think [[John McCain]] will get a B+
2008-03-11 15:39 < NotACow> the writing in the presidential campaign section is a bit choppy.
2008-03-11 15:39 < Messedrocker> bomb bomb bomb. bomb bomb iran
2008-03-11 15:42 < Dau> question:
2008-03-11 15:43 < Dau> can I say "favor an ethnic group over another one" ?
2008-03-11 15:43 < Dau> is that the correct English way?
2008-03-11 15:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Dau - change "an" to "one"
2008-03-11 15:44 < Dau> okay, what about the "over"
2008-03-11 15:45 < Messedrocker> "faver one ethnic group over another" would be the best way of saying it
2008-03-11 15:45 < Dau> you mean "favor"?
2008-03-11 15:46 < NotASpy> how goes the great Teapot demolition ?
2008-03-11 15:46 < Messedrocker> yes, dau
2008-03-11 15:46 < Messedrocker> i mean favor
2008-03-11 15:46 < Dau> ok thanks
2008-03-11 15:49 < geniice> hmm getting close to time to run for adminship again
2008-03-11 15:53 < mooboo1> there is portal, but it changes sometime page instead of /1 (which exist), it goto /2 or /3 or /4 or /5 who dont exist, why?
2008-03-11 15:53 < mooboo1> anyone know what i mean?
2008-03-11 15:53 < mooboo1> you know why it is like that? and if it can be fixed?
2008-03-11 15:54 < NotACow> [[Chinese New Year]] is probably going to be a C+ or B-
2008-03-11 15:54 < NotACow> maybe even a C
2008-03-11 15:55 < NotACow> it's not as disorganized as, say, Valentine's Day
2008-03-11 15:56 < NotACow> but there is definitely an element of dartboard editing going on
2008-03-11 15:56 < Sceptre> geniice: why did you get rid of your tools?
2008-03-11 15:56 < NotACow> and quite a bit of poor tone
2008-03-11 15:56 < NotACow> Sceptre: geni was forced to resign
2008-03-11 15:56 < Sceptre> why?
2008-03-11 15:56 < geniice> Sceptre they were removed
2008-03-11 15:56 < Sceptre> ArbCom?
2008-03-11 15:56 < geniice> Sceptre wheel waring while being on the other side to jimbo
2008-03-11 15:57 < Sceptre> well, you've got my support at RFA
2008-03-11 15:57 < shimgray> NotACow: thanks for the hattip! I was good and didn't use your buggery joke, though :-)
2008-03-11 15:57 < NotACow> Sceptre: he has a slightly better chance than i do, but that's not saying much
2008-03-11 15:58 < NotACow> shimgray: heh
2008-03-11 15:58 < NotACow> shimgray: reading these articles is interesting
2008-03-11 15:58 < shimgray> (I felt my Clinton-campaign friends might not appreciate it...)
2008-03-11 15:58 < NotACow> shimgray: i've written up two, and i've reviewed three more
2008-03-11 15:58 < geniice> NotACow my profile is rather lower
2008-03-11 15:58 < NotACow> but not published them yet
2008-03-11 15:59 < NotACow> Barack Obama and Wikipedia are both pretty good. McCain is a bit less good, but still quite respectable.
2008-03-11 15:59 < shimgray> by the way, which versions are you reviewing?
2008-03-11 15:59 < NotACow> shimgray: as i find them.
2008-03-11 15:59 < shimgray> for the "spike" articles, it might be interesting to compare versions before and after the day
2008-03-11 15:59 < NotACow> shimgray: not necessarily asa they existed at spike points.
2008-03-11 15:59 < shimgray> though I note you've done one of the two big ones
2008-03-11 15:59 < shimgray> Obama's a FA, though I suspect it's going to be hard-put to maintain that
2008-03-11 16:00 < NotACow> shimgray: i read through it today. it's in remarkably good shape for a hot-button political article.
2008-03-11 16:00 < NotACow> shimgray: it's one of the best articles i've read, although I think it is probably a bit on the sympathetic side.
2008-03-11 16:00 < NotACow> shimgray: i'm a strong obama supporter, though, so i'm not impartial on that evaluation.
2008-03-11 16:01 < NotACow> shimgray: the McCain article is also pretty good, although the section describing his current presidential run is choppy.
2008-03-11 16:01 < shimgray> to be fair, he's a sympathetic figure, and a neutral article is likely to come out making him look likable
2008-03-11 16:01 < geniice> shimgray we've locked down candidate pages in the past we can do it again in future
2008-03-11 16:02 < shimgray> geniice: oh, sure. It's just that FAs tend to be... well, not currently-developing topics!
2008-03-11 16:02 < NotACow> shimgray: the obama article reads very well. it's pretty clear that someone is riding close herd on it
2008-03-11 16:02 < NotACow> shimgray: i sent a note to the Obama campaign asking for comment :)
2008-03-11 16:02 < NotACow> i should do the same for McCain
2008-03-11 16:02 < shimgray> :-)
2008-03-11 16:02 < geniice> shimgray fortunely the Plano Senior High School article didn't become part of the story of Plano Senior High School
2008-03-11 16:03 < geniice> normaly the kiss of death for an article that
2008-03-11 16:03 < shimgray> wow, it's been FA since August 2004!
2008-03-11 16:03 < shimgray> keeping FA for that long, *and* actively developing... this is a labour of love, all right.
2008-03-11 16:04 < NotACow> Chinese New Year has some problems with dartboard editing, advice-to-the-reader tone, some other confusing issues
2008-03-11 16:04 < NotACow> it'll probably be a C or C+
2008-03-11 16:05 < NotACow> the next one is [[Canine reproduction]], which i haven't looked at yet
2008-03-11 16:05 < NotACow> ater that is [[Sex]]
2008-03-11 16:05 < NotACow> and then [[Kosovo]]
2008-03-11 16:05 < Messedrocker> you will have fun with that
2008-03-11 16:06 < NotACow> those three should all be fun
2008-03-11 16:06 < NotACow> then [[United States]]
2008-03-11 16:06 < geniice> whyd does Canine reproduction rank so high?
2008-03-11 16:06 < anon32> what's "dartboard editing"?
2008-03-11 16:06 < NotACow> and then i have to decide whether or not to critique [[Resolution]], which is a dab.
2008-03-11 16:06 < Messedrocker> geniice, people like dogs fucking
2008-03-11 16:06 < NotACow> Messedrocker: no, it's weird.
2008-03-11 16:06 < Messedrocker> anon32, that's where a billion people shoot little bits at the article
2008-03-11 16:06 < geniice> "fucking bitch" doesn't redirect there
2008-03-11 16:06 < Messedrocker> geniice, make it so
2008-03-11 16:06 < NotACow> Messedrocker: it has almost ecxactly the same number of views for 21 days in a row, and then it drops to a smaller number, and then quits.
2008-03-11 16:06 < NotACow> Messedrocker: i'm of the opinion that it was an attempted DDOS
2008-03-11 16:07 < geniice> DDOS on wikipedia?
2008-03-11 16:07 < NotACow> geniice: i didn't say successful :)
2008-03-11 16:07 < shimgray> that's what Henrik suggested, yeah.
2008-03-11 16:07 < geniice> can't see that being worth anyone's time
2008-03-11 16:07 < NotACow> geniice: there are lots of silly sausages out there
2008-03-11 16:07 < shimgray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Henrik#Stats_tool_error.3F
2008-03-11 16:07 < noclip> any of you know of a windows app that will let me use my pen tablet to write on a fullscreen area?
2008-03-11 16:08 < noclip> to use the monitor as a whiteboard
2008-03-11 16:08 < geniice> some kind of worm confirming it could acess the internet perhaps?
2008-03-11 16:08 < NotACow> geniice: could be.
2008-03-11 16:08 < shimgray> odd way to do it, but...
2008-03-11 16:08 < NotACow> geniice: in any case, i'm quite certain that those visits do not represent real readers.
2008-03-11 16:08 < NotACow> geniice: i'll evaluate it just the same :)
2008-03-11 16:09 < shimgray> NotACow: "Obama spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the campaign is "looking into this matter," though she noted that "hundreds of staff members, supporters and volunteers" have access to the campaign's computers. She added: "We will continue to update our policies and procedures to ensure the accuracy of not only Obama's Wikipedia site, but any on the site." Other campaigns, including Clinton's and Romney's, said they do not monito
2008-03-11 16:09 < shimgray> r their pages." - from Sept. 2007
2008-03-11 16:09 < NotACow> the same applies to [[Wiki]], which i've already reviwed.
2008-03-11 16:09 < geniice> shimgray fairly safe those. Few techs are going to look at a spike in traffic to wikipedia as something too suspecious
2008-03-11 16:09 < NotACow> shimgray: link?
2008-03-11 16:09 < shimgray> "...at the same time, it's hard to find a more up-to-date, detailed, thorough article on Obama than Wikipedia's. As of Friday, Obama's article -- more than 22 pages long, with 15 sections covering his personal and professional life -- had a reference list of 167 sources"
2008-03-11 16:09 < noclip> scary thought, the storm trojan is still alive and infecting teenagers and grandmothers the world over
2008-03-11 16:09 < shimgray> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601699.html
2008-03-11 16:09 < shimgray> WaPo
2008-03-11 16:09 < NotACow> shimgray: woot.
2008-03-11 16:09 < NotACow> thanks
2008-03-11 16:10 < noclip> some random script kiddie has access to more computing power than IBM or CERN
2008-03-11 16:10 * NotACow bookmarks
2008-03-11 16:10 < shimgray> it's pretty cheering that we've managed things like the Obama article, I have to say
2008-03-11 16:10 < NotACow> shimgray: i may upgrade it to A+ just for being so good under such trying circumstances.
2008-03-11 16:10 < shimgray> & fairly weird to think that it's actually meaningful and useful. who'd have expected that in 2004?
2008-03-11 16:11 < geniice> shimgray his was a senitor then no?
2008-03-11 16:11 < shimgray> geniice: It was a FA when he was still running for election in Chicago
2008-03-11 16:11 < geniice> hmm
2008-03-11 16:11 < geniice> unusal
2008-03-11 16:12 < shimgray> (he was, to be fair, politically hot stuff even then. I mean, *I* knew about him...)
2008-03-11 16:12 < geniice> Politicians are one of those groups who could be big tomorrow
2008-03-11 16:12 < geniice> the upshot is that the standard MP article is short bio and a scandel
2008-03-11 16:13 < shimgray> but the thing is that we're getting a steady 40,000 views of that *on a quiet day* - easily surging to 100, 150k on a busy one
2008-03-11 16:13 < geniice> noclip hopefuly the love bug is firmly dead
2008-03-11 16:13 < NotACow> shimgray: hell, i barely knoew about him in 2004.
2008-03-11 16:13 < shimgray> there are going to be people actually using that article to make decisions come November. weird, isn't it?
2008-03-11 16:13 < NotACow> shimgray: and i was political active, too; i was the bloody webmaster for Democracy for Illinois back then
2008-03-11 16:13 < shimgray> NotACow: I went to visit an ex in July; she'd just been to see him speak, and was raving about him somewhat
2008-03-11 16:14 < shimgray> it was during the whole Ryan-campaign-imploding thing, so it was also the funniest news story around
2008-03-11 16:14 < geniice> what is the link to the counter again?
2008-03-11 16:14 < NotACow> shimgray: yeah, we had fun with that!
2008-03-11 16:14 < NotACow> shimgray: i must say, illinois politics are a whole lot more fun than indiana.
2008-03-11 16:14 < shimgray> (I remember them vacillating over Ditka...)
2008-03-11 16:14 < shimgray> geniice: http://stats.grok.se/en/200802/Barack_Obama
2008-03-11 16:14 < shimgray> work from there :-)
2008-03-11 16:14 < NotACow> shimgray: i was sweating that. ditka might have beaten obama
2008-03-11 16:15 < NotACow> shimgray: jim oberweis lost again. :)
2008-03-11 16:15 < shimgray> "I'm a Democrat, sure. But, you know, I'm a Bears fan first." - I swear I heard people seriously have that conversation
2008-03-11 16:15 < NotACow> shimgray: i assue you've heard that we have anouther governor destined to go to prison :)
2008-03-11 16:15 < shimgray> par for the course in IL, isn't it?
2008-03-11 16:15 < NotACow> shimgray: he'll be the fourth.
2008-03-11 16:16 < Comets> :D
2008-03-11 16:16 < NotACow> shimgray: it'll be intresting to see who runs in the next election
2008-03-11 16:16 < NotASpy> NotACow: just pray they don't starting writing books, like our jailbird politician dude, Jeffrey Archer.
2008-03-11 16:16 < geniice> I find the other extream interesting http://stats.grok.se/en/200802/vickers%20MBT racks up 10s of hits a day. For a largely insignifcant bit of kit
2008-03-11 16:16 < NotACow> shimgray: the illinois republican party is a shambles, but the dems are themselves fractured and most of the good ones already hold federal office.
2008-03-11 16:17 < NotACow> shimgray: and nobody wants to jump into the buzzsaw that is the governorship
2008-03-11 16:17 < geniice> even http://stats.grok.se/en/200802/HMS%20Glatton%20%281871%29 is getting traffic day in day out
2008-03-11 16:17 < Dau> KOSOVO NATIONAL ANTHEM! I've got it written now, should you review it before I post it. I am not quite sure on some things.
2008-03-11 16:17 < gwern> my rabbit is bleeding maddened blood! it will make delicious sausage
2008-03-11 16:17 < shimgray> geniice: it's scary, isn't it?
2008-03-11 16:18 < gwern> so, how about that Governonr Spitzer eh?
2008-03-11 16:18 < NotACow> geniice: my deleted user page gets at elast a few hits every day
2008-03-11 16:18 < shimgray> heck, *my* userpage gets a dozen hits a day. this is more edits than I make, on average
2008-03-11 16:18 < geniice> shimgray eh I suspect mostly the effect of people following links
2008-03-11 16:18 < NotACow> i dunno
2008-03-11 16:19 < Messedrocker> NotACow, when are you posting the article reviews?
2008-03-11 16:19 < NotACow> it's just fucking scary to see that Special:Search gets nearly 500 million views a month
2008-03-11 16:19 < NotACow> and that's only 3% of the totla
2008-03-11 16:19 < NotACow> Messedrocker: i'll probably post [[Barack Obama]] this evening
2008-03-11 16:19 < gwern> NotACow: I still don't get how Special:Search gets viewed so often
2008-03-11 16:19 < NotACow> Messedrocker: the remainder will follow as the spirits moves me
2008-03-11 16:20 < NotACow> gwern: people who've made wikipedia search their primary search engine?
2008-03-11 16:20 < Messedrocker> now when you say spirits....
2008-03-11 16:20 < NotACow> gwern: that option is supported by firefox since 2.0.1 i think
2008-03-11 16:20 < shimgray> gwern: it's in a lot of browser toolbars.
2008-03-11 16:20 < gwern> NotACow: but doesn't that mean 'people make 500 million wrong queries a month' then?
2008-03-11 16:20 < NotACow> gwern: is that really that unsupportable?
2008-03-11 16:20 < gwern> as I said, surely our redirect and disambig coverage isn't that bad
2008-03-11 16:20 < shimgray> it's also unclear if it does or doesn't cover the "go" as well as "search" aspects - depends how our internal routing works
2008-03-11 16:21 < NotACow> gwern: it's not wrong queries; it's just queries
2008-03-11 16:21 < geniice> gwern spelling redirects are pretty poor
2008-03-11 16:21 < mavhc> what happens when I type "wp search term" into ff with the wp keyword search enabled, does that count?
2008-03-11 16:21 < Ceiling_Cat> wow, a math/computer science topic that doesn't have an article
2008-03-11 16:21 < gwern> NotACow: but... but a correct query never lets you see Special:Search, you just go to the article
2008-03-11 16:21 < Ceiling_Cat> a rarity indeed
2008-03-11 16:21 < Aqwis2> geniice, blame the "unlikely typo" deletion criteria
2008-03-11 16:21 < NotACow> gwern: depends, if it's a 302 Redirect then it'll show in the http logs
2008-03-11 16:21 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: what is it?
2008-03-11 16:21 < mavhc> redirecting typos manually is daft
2008-03-11 16:21 < Aqwis2> it includes typoes that are not actually very unlikely and maybe get several thousand searches a month :<
2008-03-11 16:21 < geniice> Aqwis2 I think that policy assumes you are not me
2008-03-11 16:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Von Neuman's inequality
2008-03-11 16:22 < NotACow> gwern: you'll get a 302 in the logs for Special:Search and then a subsequent 200 for the article itself.
2008-03-11 16:22 < Ceiling_Cat> googling has produced this:
2008-03-11 16:22 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.hindawi.com/GetArticle.aspx?doi=10.1155/S0161171278000162
2008-03-11 16:22 < gwern> his what?
2008-03-11 16:22 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - it's really complicated math
2008-03-11 16:22 < Ceiling_Cat> it has something to do with contrations of hilbert spaces
2008-03-11 16:22 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: there is no content to see there
2008-03-11 16:23 < Ceiling_Cat> contractions*
2008-03-11 16:23 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: there's also this: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-9939(199403)120%3A3<889%3AVNIFCD>2.0.CO%3B2-M
2008-03-11 16:23 < Ceiling_Cat> NotACow - click the link on teh right
2008-03-11 16:23 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: which link on the right?
2008-03-11 16:23 < Ceiling_Cat> "Full text pdf"
2008-03-11 16:23 < NotACow> ah
2008-03-11 16:23 < gwern> 'Von Neumann's inequality says that if p is an analytic polynomial then the norm of p(T) is bounded by the supremum of the values of |p(z)| for z in the unit disk.'
2008-03-11 16:23 < gwern> http://www.math.vanderbilt.edu/~colloq/
2008-03-11 16:23 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: not sure that's CS per se
2008-03-11 16:24 < shimgray> oh, it's so obvious now
2008-03-11 16:24 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-03-11 16:24 < Dau> HELP! How do I make a correct form of a ref with the URL, title and date??
2008-03-11 16:24 < Ceiling_Cat> <ref>[http://...... Name of link]</ref>
2008-03-11 16:24 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, and date
2008-03-11 16:24 < cremepuff222> Or you can use the {{citeweb}} template
2008-03-11 16:24 < Ceiling_Cat> <ref>[http://...... Name of link]. March 11, 2008</ref>
2008-03-11 16:24 < NotACow> shimgray: already i can feel certain defensive mechanisms in my mind firing to protect me from what is certain to be a dense barrage of mathematical gibberish
2008-03-11 16:24 < The359> Template:Citeweb
2008-03-11 16:24 < gwern> shimgray: well sure. I mean, that norm limit obviously follows from the definitions. trivial really once you prove a few necessary lemmas
2008-03-11 16:25 < The359> <ref>{{citeweb | url = | title = | publisher = | date = | accessdate = }}</ref>
2008-03-11 16:25 < shimgray> two of my closest friends are number theorists. I feel your pain...
2008-03-11 16:26 < Dau> whic for should I use?
2008-03-11 16:26 < Messedrocker> NotACow, what is your metric for reviewing articles?
2008-03-11 16:27 < The359> Dau, use citeweb
2008-03-11 16:27 < The359> It's more precise
2008-03-11 16:27 < The359> lays everything out correctly
2008-03-11 16:27 < Dau> ok, thanks
2008-03-11 16:27 < Commie> O_O
2008-03-11 16:28 < Pilotguy> :O
2008-03-11 16:28 < Dau> "publisher" for a news website like BBC?
2008-03-11 16:28 < Pilotguy> IT'S A COMMIE!!!!
2008-03-11 16:28 < Commie> :O
2008-03-11 16:28 < Dau> and Date in what form?
2008-03-11 16:28 < Commie> runn!!!! :DDDD
2008-03-11 16:29 < Dau> and acces date too
2008-03-11 16:30 < NotACow> Messedrocker: hm?
2008-03-11 16:30 < NotACow> Messedrocker: my metric?
2008-03-11 16:30 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-03-11 16:30 < NotACow> Messedrocker: i review them and then assign them grades based on how i feel about them
2008-03-11 16:30 < NotACow> Messedrocker: roughly speaking i suspect you'll find that my A corresponds roughly to FA quality and B to GA quality
2008-03-11 16:30 < Dau> and dates? GMT?
2008-03-11 16:31 < NotACow> a C article falls short of GA but is not seriously flawed, just not terribly good
2008-03-11 16:31 < Messedrocker> [[theobromine]] would be a C then
2008-03-11 16:31 < NotACow> a D article has definite flaws and an F article is badly lacking in some way, fatally flawed, or otherwise crap.
2008-03-11 16:31 < shimgray> Dau: The project as a whole uses UTC, but generally speaking as long as you get the month right it's fairly moot :-)
2008-03-11 16:31 < NotACow> Messedrocker: don't know
2008-03-11 16:31 < NotACow> Messedrocker: haven't looked.
2008-03-11 16:32 < Dau> ok
2008-03-11 16:32 < Messedrocker> it was a GA then people realized "wait wtf were we smoking" and demoted it
2008-03-11 16:32 * Demi awards you an incomplete
2008-03-11 16:32 * NotACow warns that [[Jimmy Wales]] is likely to get an F for being hopelessly biased.
2008-03-11 16:33 < Pilotguy> el oh el
2008-03-11 16:33 < Ceiling_Cat> So I've created 485 articles
2008-03-11 16:33 < Messedrocker> unfortunately, i wrote much of [[theobromine]]
2008-03-11 16:33 < NotACow> Messedrocker: one of my requirements for the higher grades is that it has to read smoothly
2008-03-11 16:33 * Ceiling_Cat wants to break 500
2008-03-11 16:33 < Messedrocker> though it is WP:PHARM collaboration of the month
2008-03-11 16:33 < NotACow> Messedrocker: which is why McCain is getting B+; it has a section that is quite choppy.
2008-03-11 16:33 < Messedrocker> NotACow, one of the major criticisms is that the writing is disjointed
2008-03-11 16:33 < Demi> i think there's a fundamental problem with writing biographical articles in the absence of biographical study
2008-03-11 16:33 < Messedrocker> even though danny vehemently disagrees
2008-03-11 16:34 < Messedrocker> i suspect he's being a kissass
2008-03-11 16:34 < NotACow> Messedrocker: it's not in the top 9956 articles so i will not be reviewing it
2008-03-11 16:35 < NotACow> Demi: i admit to not being familiar with formal methods of biography.
2008-03-11 16:37 < NotACow> Messedrocker: i am not paying overly much attention to the level of citation.
2008-03-11 16:37 < Dau> Would some one like to read the Kosovo National Anthem article as I post it. Please.
2008-03-11 16:37 < Messedrocker> NotACow, good, though I don't recall bringing that up
2008-03-11 16:37 < NotACow> these are brief reviews, i don't have time to do indepth analysis of an article with nearly 200 cites
2008-03-11 16:37 < Messedrocker> (though i probably did indirectly when i asked about the metric)
2008-03-11 16:37 < NotACow> Messedrocker: you're just my target of the moment :)
2008-03-11 16:38 < Demi> NotACow - i don't think "scholarship" in a wikipedia sense needs to mean precisely academic or traditional scholarship. but we try to write about things that are basically unstudied, in any kind of structured sense.
2008-03-11 16:38 < freeanon> why is there no article on encyclopedia dramatica?
2008-03-11 16:39 * Rinn waits
2008-03-11 16:39 < freeanon> um wtf u doing?
2008-03-11 16:39 < Sceptre> !op
2008-03-11 16:39 < Sceptre> that was fast
2008-03-11 16:39 < ST47> Sceptre: I'm right here
2008-03-11 16:39 < Comets> XD
2008-03-11 16:39 < Thehelpfulone2> hehe
2008-03-11 16:39 < ST47> :)
2008-03-11 16:39 < Sceptre> <3 you ST
2008-03-11 16:39 < Sceptre> seriously
2008-03-11 16:39 < Sceptre> you kick ass
2008-03-11 16:39 < Comets> guess that explain s who he is ;)
2008-03-11 16:39 * Cyrius gives ST47 a cookie
2008-03-11 16:40 < Sceptre> freeanon!
2008-03-11 16:40 * Sceptre takes one
2008-03-11 16:41 < Comets> better than save the wales :P
2008-03-11 16:41 < geniice> NotACow eh don't complain about the valentines article at least it wasn't redirected to unrequited love
2008-03-11 16:42 < NotACow> the first article on this list that i'm really not looking fotward to reviewing is [[2 Girls 1 Cup]]
2008-03-11 16:42 < NotACow> #33
2008-03-11 16:43 < Ceiling_Cat> so I just created [[Argonauts of the Western Pacific]]
2008-03-11 16:43 < Ceiling_Cat> I am truely, honestly shocked it didn't exist
2008-03-11 16:43 < Ceiling_Cat> that book is *famous*
2008-03-11 16:43 < Ceiling_Cat> one of the two or three most famous books of anthropology ever
2008-03-11 16:43 < shimgray> we have really glaring holes
2008-03-11 16:44 < geniice> NotACow hmm goatse.cx is down to a few thousand a day
2008-03-11 16:45 < Ceiling_Cat> not.ac.ow
2008-03-11 16:45 * Ceiling_Cat notices that .ow does not exist
2008-03-11 16:45 < geniice> Ceiling_Cat Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies on the other hand has quite a solid article
2008-03-11 16:47 < Lucifer_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: never heard of it
2008-03-11 16:47 < shimgray> One is from 1922 and one from ~1999. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me :-)
2008-03-11 16:48 < zvook> what are the other two most famous?
2008-03-11 16:48 < Aqwis2> the Guns, Germs and Steel article is pretty much a horrible blob of text, though
2008-03-11 16:49 < geniice> Aqwis2 to be fair the book starts to have the feel after the first 2/3rds
2008-03-11 16:51 < Messedrocker> LOL @ R.O.B.
2008-03-11 16:51 < shimgray> It's a much better book if you rip out all the chapters where he starts telling anecdotes about this one time he met a guy in Papua New Guinea
2008-03-11 16:54 < NotACow> shimgray: heh
2008-03-11 16:54 < NotACow> i've started to read GG&S
2008-03-11 16:54 < NotACow> but i got distracted by something else and haven't picked it back up yet
2008-03-11 16:54 < geniice> shimgray no that mearly reduces the time you spend trying to figure out how to look up stuff that isn't in wikipedia
2008-03-11 16:54 < shimgray> it's a good book - it's not completely accurate, but his thesis is pretty enticing and it does make you think
2008-03-11 16:54 < shimgray> and there's a lot of nifty incidental details
2008-03-11 16:55 < NotACow> shimgray: it has a whiff of monotaxocausophilia about it
2008-03-11 16:55 < NotACow> but i need to read it myself to see if that really holds.
2008-03-11 16:55 < Messedrocker> nintendo is obsessed with giving everyone blue eyes
2008-03-11 16:55 < geniice> "monotaxocausophilia" 1 google result
2008-03-11 16:56 < NotACow> cocol!
2008-03-11 16:56 < NotACow> cool, even
2008-03-11 16:56 * NotACow forgets where she discovered that word
2008-03-11 16:56 < The359> Google bomb?
2008-03-11 16:56 < shimgray> one approach cause?
2008-03-11 16:56 < shimgray> ah, same solution to everything?
2008-03-11 16:56 < NotACow> shimgray: "love of single causes"
2008-03-11 16:56 < shimgray> (love thereof)
2008-03-11 16:56 < The359> or do Google bombs have to be two words?
2008-03-11 16:57 < NotACow> shimgray: basically, people who have constructed a theory that explains EVERYTHING
2008-03-11 16:57 < NotACow> shimgray: and then rpoceed to explain everything with it
2008-03-11 16:57 < geniice> NotACow no more writeing off events that can't be explained by his single clause as not that significant
2008-03-11 16:57 < shimgray> His general premise is "geography did it", but his theory does diversify a lot from there
2008-03-11 16:57 < Demi> i'm pretty sure babajobu used that word here once
2008-03-11 16:57 < geniice> The359 google kick perhaps
2008-03-11 16:57 < NotACow> i think it was in a stephen jay gould essay
2008-03-11 16:57 < Aqwis2> NotACow, objectivism?
2008-03-11 16:57 < Demi> in describing how leftists ascribe to everything an underlying cause of contention for oil resources
2008-03-11 16:57 < NotACow> but might have been doug hofstadter or martin gardner or something
2008-03-11 16:58 < NotACow> Aqwis2: yeah, objectivism falls in that category.
2008-03-11 16:58 < shimgray> I don't think he's completely right, but he's got a good case that it's a lot more significant than we might normally assume, and that it's an underlying driving feature of a lot of other stuff
2008-03-11 16:58 < Dau> I am about to post the National anthem of Kosovo, but NEEEEED someone to help me with it.
2008-03-11 16:58 < geniice> shimgray yes
2008-03-11 16:58 < geniice> Dau post it to a user subpage
2008-03-11 16:58 < shimgray> (unrelatedly, I skimmed a book today which tried to do much the same to conceptions of imperialism)
2008-03-11 16:58 < Cyrius> Dau: don't worry so much, it's just Wikipedia =)
2008-03-11 16:58 < NotACow> poot
2008-03-11 16:59 < nsh> anyone have Athens access just now?
2008-03-11 16:59 < shimgray> (arguing that the driving feature of hierarchy was class much, much more than race)
2008-03-11 16:59 < Demi> some of that guy's other writings smell a lot more strongly of crackpottery
2008-03-11 16:59 < NotASpy> nsh: whatcha need on Athens ?
2008-03-11 17:00 < nsh> http://www.springerlink.com/content/p308524643u1365j/
2008-03-11 17:00 < nsh> although, it kinda looks like a joke
2008-03-11 17:01 < nsh> but then most papers on category theory seem to look like jokes
2008-03-11 17:01 < nsh> [[[ A charter consists of an adjunction, a "base" functor, and a "ground" object; we show that "chartering" is a convenient way to "found" institutions. Parchments provide a notion of sentential syntax, and a simple way to "write" charters and thus get institutions. ]]]
2008-03-11 17:02 < nsh> dystrophically weak
2008-03-11 17:02 * brown_cat yawns
2008-03-11 17:02 < shimgray> wtf does that first half-sentence mean?
2008-03-11 17:03 * nsh waves his hands around a bit
2008-03-11 17:03 < nsh> murmer murmer
2008-03-11 17:03 * brown_cat chases after nsh
2008-03-11 17:03 < NotASpy> doesn't look like I've got access to that site through Athens.
2008-03-11 17:03 < nsh> not to worry
2008-03-11 17:03 < Demi> all papers should be written like computer science papers
2008-03-11 17:03 * brown_cat sits on nsh's lap
2008-03-11 17:03 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-03-11 17:03 < nsh> springerlink a a whole pail of fail
2008-03-11 17:03 * brown_cat snuggles wimt
2008-03-11 17:04 * brown_cat sits on wimt's lap instead
2008-03-11 17:04 * nsh strokes brown_cat causing a static buildup
2008-03-11 17:04 < nsh> , attaches brown_cat to the ceiling
2008-03-11 17:04 < nsh> Ceiling_Cat watched, bemused
2008-03-11 17:04 * brown_cat looks at Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-11 17:04 * brown_cat pokes Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-11 17:04 * brown_cat shocks
2008-03-11 17:04 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-11 17:05 * wimt huggles brown_cat
2008-03-11 17:05 * Ceiling_Cat shines a spotlight on brown_cat
2008-03-11 17:05 < brown_cat> O_O
2008-03-11 17:05 * brown_cat stares at the light
2008-03-11 17:05 * Ceiling_Cat watches brown_cat shrivel up like a raisin in the sun
2008-03-11 17:05 < brown_cat> O_o A hairy wrinkled pussy
2008-03-11 17:06 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, you're right
2008-03-11 17:06 * Ceiling_Cat shaves brown_cat for good measure
2008-03-11 17:07 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-03-11 17:07 * brown_cat gets rained on
2008-03-11 17:07 * brown_cat inflates
2008-03-11 17:07 < brown_cat> :)
2008-03-11 17:07 * brown_cat waits for his fur to come back
2008-03-11 17:07 < Ceiling_Cat> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:CurledSphynx.jpg
2008-03-11 17:07 < Ceiling_Cat> Much better
2008-03-11 17:07 < nsh> "Mobile technology group Ericsson is predicting a 'swift end' for Wi-Fi hotspots, according to the PC Pro site. Johan Bergendahl, the company's chief marketing officer, offers this analysis: 'The rapid growth of mobile broadband is set to make Wi-Fi hotspots irrelevant ... Hotspots at places like Starbucks are becoming the telephone boxes of the broadband era.
2008-03-11 17:07 < nsh> fuuuuckkk that