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2008-03-10 12:13 < NotACow> i feel evil.
2008-03-10 12:13 < NotACow> do you feel evil?
2008-03-10 12:15 < NotACow> do you not wish to share in the evil of the moment?
2008-03-10 12:18 < E_Wing_> I feel evil
2008-03-10 12:18 < NotACow> good!
2008-03-10 12:18 < NotACow> it is good that you feel evil.
2008-03-10 12:18 < E_Wing_> I feel evil enough to revert those damn blanked ip talk pages
2008-03-10 12:18 < E_Wing_> BWAHAHAHAHA
2008-03-10 12:19 < gwern> evil NotACow is evil
2008-03-10 12:19 < E_Wing_> Nah. Still stuck at that damn translation
2008-03-10 12:20 < E_Wing_> And its 1:23 am already
2008-03-10 12:20 < NotACow> just use google translate on it already :)
2008-03-10 12:22 < neohaven> lol NotACow
2008-03-10 12:23 < E_Wing_> I dont believe google can do a translation from tagalog to english
2008-03-10 12:23 < NotACow> well, not if you don't give it a chance to learn!
2008-03-10 12:24 < E_Wing_> Besides, that article looks like that it was translated from two english books
2008-03-10 12:25 < E_Wing_> Although I have contacted the contributor about it
2008-03-10 12:25 * gwern has a sad feeling for a moment. Then it passes
2008-03-10 12:26 < NotACow> gwern: stop killing your kitties.
2008-03-10 12:26 < gwern> NotACow: it slipped the leash, foolish thing
2008-03-10 12:27 < E_Wing_> looks like the babelfish encountered an error, eh?
2008-03-10 12:27 < NotACow> it's not an error
2008-03-10 12:28 < NotACow> it's a feature
2008-03-10 12:28 < mexicanbanana> "most people use quotation marks" <-- ?!??!?!?!!
2008-03-10 12:31 < E_Wing_> damn pet cat
2008-03-10 12:31 < E_Wing_> too noisy in the morning
2008-03-10 12:35 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GP.jpg wtf
2008-03-10 12:36 < E_Wing_> A racetrack layout?
2008-03-10 12:37 < The359> its supposed to illustrate where accidents occured on the track
2008-03-10 12:37 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Circuit_Monreal.png
2008-03-10 12:38 < The359> But it's that PNG, with all the text "whited out", pasted onto a transparent background, and converted into a jpg
2008-03-10 12:38 < The359> so it looks like shit
2008-03-10 12:38 < E_Wing_> Ah
2008-03-10 12:38 < AppleBoy> http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/03/10/pharma.water1.ap/index.html
2008-03-10 12:39 < AppleBoy> discuss
2008-03-10 12:39 < The359> Old
2008-03-10 12:39 < The359> not the article, but the fact that drugs end up in the water supply
2008-03-10 12:39 < The359> not a shocker
2008-03-10 12:42 < Cyrius> The359: that image is even worse
2008-03-10 12:43 < Cyrius> it's a screencap of the PNG
2008-03-10 12:43 < Cyrius> the checkerboard is in the JPEG
2008-03-10 12:43 * Rinn chuckles
2008-03-10 12:43 < AppleBoy> http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/10/girl-in-clinton-ad-supports-obama/ priceless
2008-03-10 12:44 < The359> saving a transparent background as a JPG removes the checkerboard?
2008-03-10 12:44 < Cyrius> The359: the checkerboard isn't part of the image
2008-03-10 12:44 < Cyrius> the original transparent PNG, that is
2008-03-10 12:44 < The359> true
2008-03-10 12:44 < Cyrius> it _is_ part of the JPEG
2008-03-10 12:45 < Cyrius> the only plausible way that could have happened is the person took a screenshot
2008-03-10 12:45 < NotACow> The359: people piss out drugs all the time. it's inevitable they'd end up in the water.
2008-03-10 12:46 < NotACow> The359: i'm surprised there isn't more of it, actually
2008-03-10 12:46 < The359> I was thinking more about people flushing drugs down the sink
2008-03-10 12:46 < E_Wing_> Cyrius: Is that "checkerboard" like an image watermark or something?
2008-03-10 12:46 < NotACow> The359: it's not even that.
2008-03-10 12:46 < mexicanbanana> E_Wing_: Eh... there are non-pet cats?
2008-03-10 12:46 < Cyrius> E_Wing_: no, it's just a visual aid to help show transparent backgrounds
2008-03-10 12:46 < The359> the checkerboard is Photoshop's way of illustrating a transparent background
2008-03-10 12:46 < NotACow> The359: a lot of drugs are eliminated unchanged either renally or fecally.
2008-03-10 12:46 < Cyrius> the checkerboard is _mediawiki_'s way of illustrating a transparent background
2008-03-10 12:46 < NotACow> The359: either way, they end up in the sewage treatment system
2008-03-10 12:46 < Cyrius> photoshop is not involved
2008-03-10 12:47 < The359> well, Photoshop uses the same pattern
2008-03-10 12:47 < NotACow> Cyrius: they stole it frmo the gimp, who stole it from photosnot.
2008-03-10 12:47 < E_Wing_> mexicanbanana: Well, there are what we call "stray cats"
2008-03-10 12:47 < NotACow> E_Wing_: good band, that
2008-03-10 12:47 < E_Wing_> ehehehe
2008-03-10 12:50 < Cyrius> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Checker-16x16.png
2008-03-10 12:50 < Cyrius> that's the background
2008-03-10 12:50 < The359> man, wtf
2008-03-10 12:50 * The359 is amazed at some of the shit that has passed GA
2008-03-10 12:50 * Demi prefers a water supply that only animals piss in, not another city
2008-03-10 12:51 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2007_Canadian_Grand_Prix&oldid=142156946 somehow this passed GA without any objections
2008-03-10 12:52 < The359> (ignore the broken template)
2008-03-10 12:53 < The359> I'd fail it just on the fact that someone seems to like to put numerals for items less than 100
2008-03-10 12:54 < The359> "Practice started on the Friday with Fernando Alonso leading the push on both of the 2 practices."
2008-03-10 12:54 < The359> epic fail
2008-03-10 12:54 < Demi> it fails x2
2008-03-10 12:54 < The359> Some people should really not be reviewing GAs/FAs
2008-03-10 12:55 < Thehelpfulone2> The359: why is that? oo
2008-03-10 12:55 < Thehelpfulone2> o.o *
2008-03-10 12:55 < The359> This user who reviewed it simply marked the article as passing all criteria. His only note was "Well written article"
2008-03-10 12:55 < The359> He clearly didn't read it!
2008-03-10 12:55 < The359> why is that what, Thehelpfulone2?
2008-03-10 12:56 < The359> Some people shouldn't be reviewing GAs/FAs?
2008-03-10 12:56 < Thehelpfulone2> yes
2008-03-10 12:56 < Thehelpfulone2> but you just made your point 9.9
2008-03-10 12:56 < The359> Because they clearly don't know enough about grammar and MoS and stuff
2008-03-10 12:56 < E_Wing_> I think that must be reviewed by an experienced editor with a liking on F1 races
2008-03-10 12:56 < E_Wing_> I mean a fan of
2008-03-10 12:57 < The359> he's not a member of the F1 WikiProject
2008-03-10 12:57 < The359> doesn't have anything motorsports related on his user page
2008-03-10 12:57 < The359> Just cricket stuff
2008-03-10 12:59 < The359> thankfully the FA people seemed to have their heads together, it failed FA just two weeks later
2008-03-10 12:59 < CalJohn_> I'm trying to find a page describing how I should use the <ref> tag. Is there a page anywhere?
2008-03-10 13:00 < CalJohn_> found it, nevermind
2008-03-10 13:01 < The359> Honestly, why is it that GA is simply left up to one person to review
2008-03-10 13:01 < The359> Without anyone else checking that one person's review
2008-03-10 13:01 < The359> While FA is a committee discussion
2008-03-10 13:01 < E_Wing_> Guys, what will happen to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandaigdigang_pagkakapatiran if the original contributor did not respond to the speedy delete note, or atleast cannot find the original english reference?
2008-03-10 13:02 < The359> it'll be deleted?
2008-03-10 13:02 < Aqwis> GA is "not a big deal"
2008-03-10 13:02 < Aqwis> while FA is since it will appear in the showcase of "Wikipedia's best articles" and possibly appear on the main page
2008-03-10 13:02 < The359> Aren't GA's supposed to be a showcase of Wikipedia's good articles though?
2008-03-10 13:03 < The359> even if GAs aren't as important as FAs
2008-03-10 13:03 < Aqwis> but you can say that about B articles too - "showcase of articles that are better than start class articles" ;)
2008-03-10 13:03 < The359> I think the system is seriously flawed in that it has very little in terms of checking
2008-03-10 13:03 < Aqwis> the point is that efficiency is valued above everything else in GA
2008-03-10 13:04 < Aqwis> if a GA article is really poor, GAR it
2008-03-10 13:04 < The359> assuming someone knows it is even a GA
2008-03-10 13:04 < The359> since there is no icon on the article itself
2008-03-10 13:04 < The359> I think the checking should be made before an article is promoted
2008-03-10 13:04 < shimgray> GA is *intended* to be a simple "this article is good, tag it" system
2008-03-10 13:04 < The359> Not after someone fucked it up on their own
2008-03-10 13:05 < Aqwis> the point is the reviewers get it right most of the time
2008-03-10 13:05 < shimgray> the tag-then-review means two people think so, which is more than was initially envisaged
2008-03-10 13:05 < The359> yes, thankfully my two GAs have had great reviews
2008-03-10 13:05 < Aqwis> a few bad GAs is nothing to worry about
2008-03-10 13:05 < shimgray> it's grown this whole silly bureaucracy from what was initially a very streamlined idea
2008-03-10 13:05 < The359> If anything, it be nice if a GA required two reviewers
2008-03-10 13:05 < Aqwis> GAC is backlogged enough as it i
2008-03-10 13:05 < Aqwis> s
2008-03-10 13:06 < Aqwis> making it less streamlined won't get rid of the backloggs
2008-03-10 13:06 < The359> the second reviewer could simply agree with the first
2008-03-10 13:06 < Aqwis> *backlogs
2008-03-10 13:07 < The359> I just think if we're going to go to the trouble of listing articles considered "good", there should be some verificiation that it is in fact good before it is listed
2008-03-10 13:07 < E_Wing_> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJimbo_Wales&diff=cur&oldid=prev
2008-03-10 13:07 < E_Wing_> vandalism?
2008-03-10 13:07 < The359> hell
2008-03-10 13:07 < Aqwis> but even requiring two editors to "pass" an article won't get rid of bad GAs completely
2008-03-10 13:07 < The359> I know
2008-03-10 13:07 < Aqwis> even in FAC, bad articles get promoted some times
2008-03-10 13:07 < The359> but I think it'd improve things
2008-03-10 13:07 < The359> without putting too much of an increased load on reviewers
2008-03-10 13:08 < The359> really, is there anything stopping me from creating a single purpose sockpuppet account to review an article I wrote?
2008-03-10 13:08 < The359> No one would really be able to tell without actually digging around
2008-03-10 13:08 < shimgray> No, no there isn't.
2008-03-10 13:08 < The359> because no one checks the reviews
2008-03-10 13:09 < shimgray> But you can game any system if you're going to be malicious.
2008-03-10 13:11 < NotASpy> malicious people on Wikipedia, surely not.
2008-03-10 13:12 < Demi> it shouldn't matter
2008-03-10 13:12 < The359> I'd review some GA nominees if I felt I had enough grasp of how everything should be that I could make an actual good review
2008-03-10 13:13 < Demi> issues of identity shouldn't be important
2008-03-10 13:13 < Thehelpfulone2> NotASpy: some people are just wierd [[User:Markaci/Nudity]] -- :/
2008-03-10 13:13 < shimgray> "is it a pretty good article"
2008-03-10 13:13 < shimgray> that's your criteria. read it, yes/no
2008-03-10 13:13 < Demi> shimgray - you can't game a system that places no value on whatever it is you're assuming
2008-03-10 13:13 < Aqwis> yes
2008-03-10 13:17 < The359> lame
2008-03-10 13:17 < The359> I can put music and albums and create playlists on my cellphone
2008-03-10 13:17 < The359> But I can't actually set the order of the songs
2008-03-10 13:17 < The359> They're just in alphabetical order
2008-03-10 13:17 < The359> so the songs on an album are all wrong
2008-03-10 13:21 < shimgray> use the old hack, rename them as "01 - FILENAME"
2008-03-10 13:22 < The359> I could
2008-03-10 13:28 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR CATZ!
2008-03-10 13:29 < E_Wing_> *sleepyyyy
2008-03-10 13:31 * The359 should get back to work on his Howmet TX article
2008-03-10 13:37 < Psychonaut> Frettchen says hi.
2008-03-10 13:38 < mexicanbanana> Shit sucks.
2008-03-10 13:38 < mexicanbanana> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jItz-uNjoZA <-- Can somebody explain this music video/song to me?
2008-03-10 13:41 < E_Wing_> mexicanbanana: looks like an old music video to me
2008-03-10 13:41 < E_Wing_> probably about 1980's?
2008-03-10 13:41 < The359> I thikn he means the fact that the song is about little girls...
2008-03-10 13:41 < mexicanbanana> Yeah.
2008-03-10 13:41 < The359> "Little girls, they make me feel so good"
2008-03-10 13:42 < Demi> thank heaven for little girls
2008-03-10 13:42 < E_Wing_> The359: Psychologically, or physically?
2008-03-10 13:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Zomg pedophile!
2008-03-10 13:42 < mexicanbanana> And also, it features midgets.
2008-03-10 13:43 < Cyrius> email danny elfman and find out what he was thinking
2008-03-10 13:43 * Ceiling_Cat watches Demi
2008-03-10 13:43 < mexicanbanana> I do not understand why he sings about this topic.
2008-03-10 13:43 < mexicanbanana> In this fashion, that is.
2008-03-10 13:43 < E_Wing_> Well, that's an old video
2008-03-10 13:43 < mexicanbanana> So? :S
2008-03-10 13:44 < E_Wing_> Nah, forget it
2008-03-10 13:45 < The359> The same reason whats her name sings about getting herself off
2008-03-10 13:45 < The359> Cindi Lauper?
2008-03-10 13:45 < mexicanbanana> :S
2008-03-10 13:45 < E_Wing_> Looks like the cat is here
2008-03-10 13:45 < E_Wing_> cuddling my slippers
2008-03-10 13:45 < mexicanbanana> Too bad he used granny actresses for the video.
2008-03-10 13:47 * Ceiling_Cat watches E_Wing_ from above
2008-03-10 13:47 < Pilotguy> :O
2008-03-10 13:48 < E_Wing_> :-D
2008-03-10 13:48 < mexicanbanana> Fatman has finally retired for good... it seems.
2008-03-10 13:48 < Ceiling_Cat> See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ceiling_Cat#Ceiling_Cat-related_humor
2008-03-10 13:48 < mexicanbanana> :-(
2008-03-10 13:49 < mexicanbanana> Why doesn't Fatman have a WP article?
2008-03-10 13:49 < mexicanbanana> The YouTuber, that is.
2008-03-10 13:49 < mexicanbanana> He's notable for his supreme fatness.
2008-03-10 13:49 < Conny> What does the articlecounter in the preferences consist of?
2008-03-10 13:49 < Conny> Its not the same like interiot.
2008-03-10 13:49 < kms_> hi all! anyone know why static.wikipedia.org is broken?
2008-03-10 13:50 < E_Wing_> Ceiling_Cat: Are you really Mark Pellegrini?
2008-03-10 13:50 < Thehelpfulone2> kms_: it seems to work?
2008-03-10 13:50 < Thehelpfulone2> what is supposed to show?
2008-03-10 13:50 < Thehelpfulone2> although - I just loaded up the page 9.9
2008-03-10 13:50 < Ceiling_Cat> E_Wing_ - why do you ask?
2008-03-10 13:50 < Cyrius> Conny: don't worry about your edit count
2008-03-10 13:50 < E_Wing_> Uh, nothing
2008-03-10 13:50 < Conny> Cyrius: :)
2008-03-10 13:51 < Ceiling_Cat> E_Wing_ - yes, I am
2008-03-10 13:51 < Ceiling_Cat> FWIW
2008-03-10 13:51 < Cyrius> if Ceiling_Cat isn't him, he's been doing a good job of fooling everyone
2008-03-10 13:51 < kms_> Thehelpfulone2: maybe for some languages :) try en
2008-03-10 13:51 < E_Wing_> By the way, congrats on your PhD candidacy
2008-03-10 13:51 < Thehelpfulone2> Ceiling_Cat: do we not link to #wikimedia-ops ? Or will it make the topic too long?
2008-03-10 13:51 < Ceiling_Cat> I see no reason to link to that channel
2008-03-10 13:51 < Thehelpfulone2> kms_: it is down - I only loaded up the main page - no other pages o.O
2008-03-10 13:52 < NotASpy> but we get lonely in there...
2008-03-10 13:52 < Thehelpfulone2> it's true :~(
2008-03-10 13:52 < kms_> Thehelpfulone2: thatĹ's a same... i would love to put a static version on my laptop for offline use
2008-03-10 13:52 < Ceiling_Cat> E_Wing_ - thanks, although I'm putting the finishing touches on my masters at the moment
2008-03-10 13:52 * Ceiling_Cat is sitting in his office, waiting for face time with his advisor as he writes this
2008-03-10 13:53 < E_Wing_> Well, good luck on that'
2008-03-10 13:53 < mexicanbanana> Face time?!
2008-03-10 13:53 < mexicanbanana> What is face time?
2008-03-10 13:53 < Conny> Bad time for questions ;) .
2008-03-10 13:53 < Ceiling_Cat> mexicanbanana - face time is time you spend talking with someone face to face
2008-03-10 13:53 < Ceiling_Cat> as opposed to by email or over the phone
2008-03-10 13:54 < mexicanbanana> :S
2008-03-10 13:54 < mexicanbanana> It's easier to be rude on e-mail. You dare to call your boss "shit-faced cockmaster" and stuff.
2008-03-10 13:54 < mexicanbanana> It gets awkward when you see them IRL, though.
2008-03-10 13:55 < Ceiling_Cat> mexicanbanana - at one wikimeetup I went to, we have three larouchies come in and protest their arbcom ban
2008-03-10 13:55 < Ceiling_Cat> it was..... most awkward
2008-03-10 13:55 < Thehelpfulone2> mexicanbanana: o.O
2008-03-10 13:55 < E_Wing_> *Asks pet cat on why she is leaning behind the laptop's monitor
2008-03-10 13:55 < mexicanbanana> Arbcom?
2008-03-10 13:56 < Ceiling_Cat> arbcom = wikipedia arbitration committee
2008-03-10 13:56 < Thehelpfulone2> Ceiling_Cat: you are totally breaking the #wikimedia-cats channel - you are not in there :P
2008-03-10 13:56 < mexicanbanana> larouchies :S
2008-03-10 13:57 < E_Wing_> *sneeze
2008-03-10 13:57 < Ceiling_Cat> Thehelpfulone2 - when using a text-only IRC client, I prefer to use only one channel at a time
2008-03-10 13:58 < Ceiling_Cat> otherwise I have to explicitely state which channel to message every time I type something
2008-03-10 13:58 * Demi SETS NOVICE ON
2008-03-10 14:05 < Thehelpfulone2> Ceiling_Cat: ah :D
2008-03-10 14:05 * faroframkallande waves the cat in the ceiling
2008-03-10 14:08 < mexicanbanana> I sort of like my new laptop, despite it having a stupid flatscreen and all. The thought that it can be moved pretty freely is nice.
2008-03-10 14:08 < mexicanbanana> But since I am a loser with no friends, I never actually move. :/
2008-03-10 14:10 < faroframkallande> mexicanbanana: so, since you're mexican (I think), you speak spanish, so you're able to say
2008-03-10 14:10 < faroframkallande> "soy un perdedor. I'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me?"
2008-03-10 14:10 < faroframkallande> =P
2008-03-10 14:25 < E_Wing_> I'm going to bed now
2008-03-10 14:25 < E_Wing_> Bye
2008-03-10 14:25 < E_Wing_> Besides its 3:29am already
2008-03-10 14:30 < The359> heh
2008-03-10 14:30 * The359 managed to use a reference 28 times in a single article
2008-03-10 14:31 < NotACow> The359: talk about overreferencing
2008-03-10 14:31 < The359> it was a good source
2008-03-10 14:35 < John-Doe> hello
2008-03-10 14:35 < John-Doe> i think it's very important that everyone read this article: http://weev.livejournal.com/2008/03/09/
2008-03-10 14:36 < compwhizii> John-Doe, wigh..
2008-03-10 14:37 < compwhizii> sigh*
2008-03-10 14:37 < John-Doe> Hello friends! There has been a lot of shit talking against Jimbo Wales and Wikipedia lately. It was revealed that not only did Jimbo Wales sell out Wikipedia to corporate interests by using his status to wipe the disfavorable articles of donors, but also bang a girl who had her naughty actions detailed on Wikipedia, and then proceed to dump her in a public announcement on the website (pure class, Jimbo).
2008-03-10 14:37 < faroframkallande> !op, trol
2008-03-10 14:37 < The359> Nothing on Livejournal is worth reading
2008-03-10 14:37 < compwhizii> thank you
2008-03-10 14:38 < Thehelpfulone2> dude where ;)
2008-03-10 14:38 < compwhizii> John-doe
2008-03-10 14:38 < faroframkallande> lol
2008-03-10 14:38 < faroframkallande> they hgave to bring me up, don't they
2008-03-10 14:38 < Thehelpfulone2> so we let trolls live no adays
2008-03-10 14:38 < The359> What's the standard measurement for fuel in a car in Europe?
2008-03-10 14:39 < The359> Instead of gallons?
2008-03-10 14:39 < The359> liters?
2008-03-10 14:39 * compwhizii shurgs
2008-03-10 14:39 < Thehelpfulone2> back
2008-03-10 14:39 < Thehelpfulone2> werdan7: super fast :D
2008-03-10 14:40 < Thehelpfulone2> werdan7 / Cyrius - don't you /ban users instead of quietening them?
2008-03-10 14:40 < Thehelpfulone2> trolls I mean
2008-03-10 14:40 < Thehelpfulone2> back
2008-03-10 14:40 < Cyrius> doesn't usually matter that much
2008-03-10 14:40 < Thehelpfulone2> oh - /mode +b shows different ;)
2008-03-10 14:41 < Thehelpfulone2> werdan7 - how do you get it to add to #wikimedia-ops at the same time? :D
2008-03-10 14:41 < Cyrius> gouranga: go away
2008-03-10 14:42 < Thehelpfulone2> gouranga: you can't talk - stop trolling and leave this channel!
2008-03-10 14:42 < Thehelpfulone2> bye bye :D
2008-03-10 14:43 < Thehelpfulone2> so werdan7 and Cyrius even . how do you guys do it? :D
2008-03-10 14:43 * Cyrius sighs
2008-03-10 14:43 < werdan7> *sigh*
2008-03-10 14:43 < Thehelpfulone2> iamnotatroll: very funny - please stop
2008-03-10 14:43 < werdan7> Thehelpfulone2: oops
2008-03-10 14:43 < Mbimmler> werdan7: ahem...
2008-03-10 14:44 < werdan7> Thehelpfulone2: sorry :)
2008-03-10 14:44 < Thehelpfulone2> I thought I was in trouble there 9.9
2008-03-10 14:44 < Thehelpfulone2> that's cool :D
2008-03-10 14:44 < Cyrius> he just misaimed
2008-03-10 14:44 < Thehelpfulone2> yep :DD
2008-03-10 14:48 < Cyrius> I read the idiotic rant
2008-03-10 14:49 < Thehelpfulone2> Cyrius: hehe
2008-03-10 14:49 < Cyrius> he's a very sad little person who gets his kicks from hurting others
2008-03-10 14:49 < Messedrocker> whose rant?
2008-03-10 14:49 < Cyrius> the guy we just hit with the banhammer
2008-03-10 14:50 < Messedrocker> i don't see a rant
2008-03-10 14:50 < Cyrius> he linked to it
2008-03-10 14:50 < Cyrius> don't bother
2008-03-10 14:50 < Messedrocker> lol
2008-03-10 14:50 < Cyrius> oh, you missed it
2008-03-10 14:50 < Cyrius> didn't miss much =)
2008-03-10 14:50 < Thehelpfulone2> Messedrocker: I got an accidental remove as a result :/
2008-03-10 14:50 < faroframkallande> Cyrius: they always mention me? why :(
2008-03-10 14:51 < Cyrius> he thinks that by harassing us, he's helping the cause of justice
2008-03-10 14:51 < Thehelpfulone2> faroframkallande: what do you mean?
2008-03-10 14:51 < Thehelpfulone2> hehe
2008-03-10 14:51 < faroframkallande> Cyrius: do you remember the Nathanr shit?
2008-03-10 14:51 < Cyrius> nope
2008-03-10 14:51 * Cyrius has kept away from the large-scale insanity
2008-03-10 14:52 < Thehelpfulone2> Cyrius: on the link - the last phrase is *Learn to hack.* XD
2008-03-10 14:52 < Thehelpfulone2> faroframkallande: are you a used to be admin?
2008-03-10 14:52 < faroframkallande> I was
2008-03-10 14:52 < faroframkallande> Jan-Aug 2006
2008-03-10 14:53 < Thehelpfulone2> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ASceptre -- the old method of rights was odd 9.9
2008-03-10 14:54 < Thehelpfulone2> faroframkallande: why did you 'resign' ?
2008-03-10 14:54 < faroframkallande> NotACow's fault
2008-03-10 14:54 < faroframkallande> always is to be honest :p
2008-03-10 14:54 < Thehelpfulone2> what did NotACow do o.o
2008-03-10 14:55 < faroframkallande> but seriously, KM suggested I resign for security reasons (therefore not giving them up under a cloud, despite what other people think)
2008-03-10 14:55 < faroframkallande> but I did a reconfirmation RFA, back when they didn't carry the stigma
2008-03-10 14:56 < The359> Chrysler's Windsor, Ontario assembly plant was rocked by an explosion at about 12:30pm today. The plant, which produces Chrysler's minivans, caught fire soon after the explosion was heard.
2008-03-10 14:56 < Thehelpfulone2> The small links were inspired by Kyoko, and *the icons at the top* were inspired by Riana. -- from your users page, what icons?
2008-03-10 14:56 < The359> Clearly this is Canadian terrorists
2008-03-10 14:57 < The359> Spitzer apologizes over reported prostitution ties
2008-03-10 14:57 < The359> * New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer apologizes after report ties him to prostitution ring
2008-03-10 14:57 < The359> * Spitzer, his wife by his side, does not resign governorship
2008-03-10 14:57 < The359> * Source says Spitzer under investigation for allegedly meeting with prostitute
2008-03-10 14:57 < The359> The governor can't afford some more high class hookers?
2008-03-10 15:00 < faroframkallande> Thehelpfulone2: Bathrobe, Rollback, and Bot
2008-03-10 15:00 < Thehelpfulone2> ah :D
2008-03-10 15:02 < NotACow> faroframkallande: i recommened you resign for security reasons?
2008-03-10 15:02 < NotACow> faroframkallande: doesn't sound like me
2008-03-10 15:02 < Demi> i don't know whether to be more angry about filenames with spaces in them or programs that don't handle filenames with spaces in them
2008-03-10 15:02 < NotACow> Demi: heh
2008-03-10 15:02 < faroframkallande> I have a diff
2008-03-10 15:03 < NotACow> faroframkallande: i'm very curious
2008-03-10 15:03 < faroframkallande> NotACow: then again, this was when people still respected you on Wikipedia
2008-03-10 15:03 < Messedrocker> i respect the martin a LOT more than back when she was a cog
2008-03-10 15:04 < NotACow> faroframkallande: i thnk i have a good deal of respect still :)
2008-03-10 15:04 < faroframkallande> NotACow: you sure?
2008-03-10 15:04 < faroframkallande> after Riana's RFB got bombed?
2008-03-10 15:04 < NotACow> faroframkallande: only 30-odd people opposed her on the grounds that i'm evil.
2008-03-10 15:04 < NotACow> faroframkallande: out of the thousands that use wikipedia, i think that's pretty good
2008-03-10 15:05 < faroframkallande> NotACow: enough to deprive a perfectly good user of the tools she deserves, though
2008-03-10 15:05 < mavhc> are you evil?
2008-03-10 15:05 < Messedrocker> I think NotACow's respect comes from new markets
2008-03-10 15:06 < NotACow> faroframkallande: that's quite frankly an indictment of wikipedia, not of either me or riana :)
2008-03-10 15:14 < gwern> 'ALBANY - Gov. Eliot Spitzer has been caught on a federal wiretap arranging to meet with a high-priced prostitute at a Washington hotel last month, according to a person briefed on the federal investigation.'
2008-03-10 15:14 < gwern> goodness.
2008-03-10 15:14 < mavhc> that's so 5 mins ago
2008-03-10 15:14 < Cyrius> gwern: nice
2008-03-10 15:14 < gwern> well, I suppose that's it for his presidential aspirations for a decade or so
2008-03-10 15:14 < Cyrius> this was a woman, right?
2008-03-10 15:14 < gwern> running in 2012? lol, not anymore
2008-03-10 15:15 < Demi> eh
2008-03-10 15:15 < Demi> 2012 is a long way off
2008-03-10 15:15 < Demi> what was the wiretap for?
2008-03-10 15:15 < gwern> it's gonna poison his governancy even more than troopergate and the donations, and it was his governorship he was going to run on as executive experience
2008-03-10 15:15 < Rinn> Demi: "Because we can?"
2008-03-10 15:15 < Demi> that's reassuring
2008-03-10 15:15 < gwern> 'Mr. Spitzer today made a brief public appearance during which he apologized for his behavior, and described it as a “private matter.”'
2008-03-10 15:15 < Messedrocker> troopergate?
2008-03-10 15:15 < Demi> illegal prostitution is so wank
2008-03-10 15:16 < gwern> 'He declined to take questions and promised to report back soon. As he went to leave, three reporters screamed out, "Are you resigning? Are you resigning?", and Mr. Spitzer charged out of the room, slamming the door.'
2008-03-10 15:16 < gwern> Demi: it is, but thething is, he needs results as governor *now*
2008-03-10 15:16 < Messedrocker> prostitutigate
2008-03-10 15:16 < Demi> by my count that's "Are you resigning?" x 6
2008-03-10 15:16 < zvook> is he married?
2008-03-10 15:16 < Rinn> It should be legal to punch people who are carrying around cameras in the face.
2008-03-10 15:16 < Messedrocker> Rinn, it is, if you're a celebrity
2008-03-10 15:17 < Demi> Rinn - in my opinion, if they stay where they are, that's fine, but if they follow you, that's aggression and you should be allowed to put some kind of pansy-ass smackdown on them as they complain pitifully
2008-03-10 15:17 < gwern> 'The governor’s aides appeared shaken before he spoke, and one of them began to weep as they waited for him to make his statement at his Manhattan office.' <-- guess even the aides bought into the spitzer mythos
2008-03-10 15:18 < Messedrocker> Demi, can you shoot them in the stomach?
2008-03-10 15:18 < Demi> Messedrocker - i would say no, unless it is with some sort of potato gun.
2008-03-10 15:19 < Cyrius> just goes to illustrate the difference between democratic and republican sex scandals
2008-03-10 15:19 < Dakovski> I have one suggestion for a wikipedia event but I don't want to interrupt your conversation
2008-03-10 15:19 < Demi> suggest away
2008-03-10 15:19 < Dakovski> who shall I speak to
2008-03-10 15:19 < Cyrius> Dakovski: meh, interrupt
2008-03-10 15:19 < Demi> we like multiple threads of conversation
2008-03-10 15:19 < The359> Demi, it was a prostitution sting
2008-03-10 15:19 < gwern> Demi: well, I see at least two articles insinuating he's going to resign
2008-03-10 15:19 * Messedrocker hums kid icarus music
2008-03-10 15:19 < The359> CNN says he's not resigning
2008-03-10 15:19 < Dakovski> so what I was thinking
2008-03-10 15:20 < mavhc> is he the guy who looks like he's from The Untouchables?
2008-03-10 15:20 < Messedrocker> kid icarus... an extremely linear game, yet it's still hard as balls
2008-03-10 15:20 < gwern> http://www.nysun.com/article/72640 'The governor is expected to sign a resignation letter this evening. If he steps down, his lieutenant governor, David Paterson, a former state senator of Harlem who is legally blind and African-American, will assume office.' 'Spitzer did not resign as governor at the news conference, but sources tell Eyewitness News that his resignation is immminent.' ...
2008-03-10 15:20 < Demi> The359 - the thing you quoted earlier said something about "connections to a prostitution right?"
2008-03-10 15:20 < gwern> ... http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6010544
2008-03-10 15:20 < Dakovski> it is like a historical survey but made inside wikipedia - on special talk pages
2008-03-10 15:20 < Dakovski> it would be about
2008-03-10 15:20 < The359> <The359> * New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer apologizes after report ties him to prostitution ring
2008-03-10 15:20 < The359> <The359> * Spitzer, his wife by his side, does not resign governorship
2008-03-10 15:20 < The359> <The359> * Source says Spitzer under investigation for allegedly meeting with prostitute
2008-03-10 15:20 < Dakovski> The greatest military leaders in history
2008-03-10 15:21 < gwern> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/emperors-club-all-about-_n_90768.html <-- the whores don't look too bad
2008-03-10 15:21 < Demi> Dakovski - the general tone of wikipedia regarding such things is that it prefers such discussions take place in another forum.
2008-03-10 15:21 < mavhc> The359: news is too long, 3 line summary please!
2008-03-10 15:21 < The359> I just copied and pasted from CNN
2008-03-10 15:21 < Dakovski> one can suggest let say 3 people and give reasons why they are notable
2008-03-10 15:22 < Cyrius> Dakovski: I'm not following
2008-03-10 15:22 < mavhc> cnn is tv news, and tv news is for people who can't read, so it makes sense
2008-03-10 15:22 < Dakovski> can you point me to a place to post my suggestion please?
2008-03-10 15:23 < gwern> 'Before the news conference, three Democratic sources told CNN that a top Spitzer aide had told them that the governor would resign. At the news conference, Spitzer declined to respond to questions as to whether he would resign.' cnn
2008-03-10 15:23 < Cyrius> Dakovski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29 ?
2008-03-10 15:23 < The359> fucking liars, CNN is
2008-03-10 15:23 < gwern> ' He was also known for prosecuting several prostitution rings.'
2008-03-10 15:24 < The359> are
2008-03-10 15:24 < Dakovski> thank you
2008-03-10 15:25 < Demi> gwern - nice
2008-03-10 15:25 < miranda> I would be more worried about finding prescription drugs in my drinking water
2008-03-10 15:26 < gwern> miranda: too late
2008-03-10 15:26 < miranda> ok
2008-03-10 15:26 < Messedrocker> miranda, there ARE prescription drugs in drin--
2008-03-10 15:26 < Messedrocker> yeah
2008-03-10 15:26 < miranda> you guys talked about that...
2008-03-10 15:26 < miranda> ok
2008-03-10 15:26 * The359 isn't worried
2008-03-10 15:27 < Thehelpfulone2> hehe - [[User talk:Fr4zer]] - the user never gives up .. see the unblock requests o.O -- one more to do
2008-03-10 15:27 * gwern isn't worried so long as average life expectancy keeps increasing - then the benefits of increasedcivilization still outweight costs
2008-03-10 15:28 < MZMcBride> Ceiling_Cat: Ping.
2008-03-10 15:29 < Messedrocker> ahhhh
2008-03-10 15:29 < Messedrocker> three hours from now
2008-03-10 15:29 < Messedrocker> i will be brawling away
2008-03-10 15:29 < Messedrocker> less than that, probably
2008-03-10 15:38 < faroframkallande> Messedrocker: but St Patricks Day is /next/ Monday...
2008-03-10 15:38 < Messedrocker> but super smash brothers brawl is out today!
2008-03-10 15:38 < Messedrocker> also
2008-03-10 15:38 < Messedrocker> st patrick's day is this saturday
2008-03-10 15:39 < Messedrocker> the catholic church moved it
2008-03-10 15:43 < Mike_H> Wow, I just got completely ignored like four times in a chat on another network.
2008-03-10 15:44 < The359> good
2008-03-10 15:45 < Infornographer> ?
2008-03-10 15:45 < Infornographer> It's okay Mike. I won't ignore you.
2008-03-10 15:48 * Mike_H NP: James Taylor and J.D. Souther - Her Town Too (1981)
2008-03-10 15:50 * Pilotguy_aw huggles Mike_H
2008-03-10 15:51 < Mike_H> :)
2008-03-10 15:56 < noclip> can anyone access http://www.schneier.com/blog/
2008-03-10 15:56 < noclip> it's spewing blank pages for me
2008-03-10 15:57 < Messedrocker> i see it fine
2008-03-10 15:57 < noclip> damned firefox
2008-03-10 15:57 < noclip> lately it's been randomly deciding not to show pages
2008-03-10 15:57 < noclip> a few days ago flyclear.com was spewing blank pages
2008-03-10 15:57 < noclip> and not even navigating to it if i clicked a link to get there
2008-03-10 15:58 < Demi> noclip - seems fine for me
2008-03-10 15:58 < noclip> yeah, i think it's a firefox roaming profile bug
2008-03-10 15:58 < Messedrocker> hello Dr. Wile E Coyote
2008-03-10 15:58 < noclip> or something like that
2008-03-10 15:59 < gwern> my bowels are filled with MADNESS
2008-03-10 15:59 < noclip> madness?
2008-03-10 15:59 * Ceiling_Cat watches gwern
2008-03-10 15:59 < noclip> this... IS... ________ !!!!!!!!!!
2008-03-10 16:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Gwern - who is this madness you speak of?
2008-03-10 16:00 < gwern> tonight, noclip shall dine in hell
2008-03-10 16:00 * Ceiling_Cat grins lecherously
2008-03-10 16:00 < Messedrocker> hey Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-10 16:00 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: Mr Toad, of Toad Hall
2008-03-10 16:00 < Messedrocker> do you have SSBB yet
2008-03-10 16:00 < noclip> wow
2008-03-10 16:00 < noclip> i finally found a page IE8 will display better than firefox
2008-03-10 16:00 < MZMcBride> Ceiling_Cat: Quick question: Have we ever repeated a Main Page FA?
2008-03-10 16:00 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - it is coming in the mail
2008-03-10 16:00 < Ceiling_Cat> MZMcBride - no
2008-03-10 16:00 < Messedrocker> oh.
2008-03-10 16:01 < Messedrocker> i am getting it tonight
2008-03-10 16:01 < MZMcBride> Thanks. :)
2008-03-10 16:01 < Messedrocker> i reserved it in late August
2008-03-10 16:01 < noclip> hey, i've been wondering
2008-03-10 16:01 < noclip> jimbo is a sinking ship
2008-03-10 16:01 < noclip> what's going to happen to us?
2008-03-10 16:01 < Ceiling_Cat> SSBB is AWESOME
2008-03-10 16:01 < Mbimmler> you're not gonna sink. next question please...
2008-03-10 16:01 < gwern> noclip: nothing that isn't already?
2008-03-10 16:01 < Messedrocker> Ceiling_Cat, I know. Tough-as-balls gaming magazine gave it a perfect score
2008-03-10 16:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker - you *must* use a gamecube controller though
2008-03-10 16:02 < Messedrocker> i have one!
2008-03-10 16:02 < gwern> oh, a new smash brothers?
2008-03-10 16:02 < gwern> what was wrong with the others?
2008-03-10 16:02 < Ceiling_Cat> the wiimote with class controller just doesn't cut it
2008-03-10 16:02 < Messedrocker> i got one for super mario sunshine
2008-03-10 16:02 < Messedrocker> i hate classic controller
2008-03-10 16:02 < Messedrocker> i hate its balls
2008-03-10 16:03 < Messedrocker> it's only good for SNES emulation on the Wii
2008-03-10 16:03 < Messedrocker> for NES it's too many buttons
2008-03-10 16:03 < Messedrocker> for N64 the analog sticks are all awkward
2008-03-10 16:03 < Messedrocker> and why the hell are there two z buttons
2008-03-10 16:03 < noclip> i bought a wii for $250 the week it launched, i sold it after a nearly a year of use, for $250
2008-03-10 16:04 < noclip> quite possibly the best consumer good ever at holding its value
2008-03-10 16:06 < Ceiling_Cat> because they don't produce the damn thing in the quantities necessary
2008-03-10 16:06 < Ceiling_Cat> it's ridiculous
2008-03-10 16:12 < Messedrocker> "execution by xbox 360"
2008-03-10 16:18 < Demi> awesome, george w. bush is sending me some cash
2008-03-10 16:18 < Demi> i think i'll vote republican now
2008-03-10 16:18 < The359> I know I would
2008-03-10 16:20 < Ceiling_Cat> time to go
2008-03-10 16:20 * Ceiling_Cat waves
2008-03-10 16:20 * Cyrius assumes demi sees the flaw in that logic
2008-03-10 16:21 < Demi> i see a fat check that tells me those repubs are doing the right thing
2008-03-10 16:21 < Arwen> is there a free format for vector animations?
2008-03-10 16:22 < Arwen> like maybe ASVG or something?
2008-03-10 16:22 < Cyrius> not really
2008-03-10 16:22 < Arwen> grr
2008-03-10 16:22 < Cyrius> you can use javascript to manipulate a SVG
2008-03-10 16:28 < Infornographer> ?
2008-03-10 16:28 < Messedrocker> Infornographer, your name reminds me of Infogrames
2008-03-10 16:28 < Infornographer> Heh
2008-03-10 16:28 < Infornographer> Infogrames Interactive?
2008-03-10 16:29 < Infornographer> The Atari company?
2008-03-10 16:29 < gwern> strange, his nick reminds me of [[Infornography]]
2008-03-10 16:30 < The359> his name reminds me of peanut butter
2008-03-10 16:30 < Infornographer> The359 has it right.
2008-03-10 16:30 < Infornographer> Wait, no
2008-03-10 16:30 < Infornographer> but I do love peanut butter. :/
2008-03-10 16:32 * gwern likes cheese
2008-03-10 16:32 < Infornographer> Cheese is much better than peanut butter. :/
2008-03-10 16:33 < rw> no it isn't !
2008-03-10 16:33 < gwern> sure it is
2008-03-10 16:33 < Infornographer> rw: your opinion is bad and you should feel bad.
2008-03-10 16:33 < gwern> cheese has an infinte variety
2008-03-10 16:34 < compwhizii_> o rly?
2008-03-10 16:34 < gwern> nobody makes mac-and-peanutbutter, they make mac-and-cheese
2008-03-10 16:34 < gwern> why? cuz mac-and-peanutbutter would be terrible
2008-03-10 16:34 < compwhizii_> :D
2008-03-10 16:34 < rw> allrighty than;)
2008-03-10 16:35 < rw> still... peanutbutter is better :P
2008-03-10 16:35 < gwern> it is bitter butter, but cheese is better
2008-03-10 16:36 < rw> i still enforce my opinion given above
2008-03-10 16:36 < rw> ;)
2008-03-10 16:37 < gwern> you enforce nothing!
2008-03-10 16:37 < rw> hi the_giver
2008-03-10 16:37 < JT> anyone seen soms recently?
2008-03-10 16:37 < rw> lets watch the language here, there are children present
2008-03-10 16:38 * gwern insinuates that rw is of african descent, and therefore inferior and morally suspect due to rw's support for peanut butter, the same substance notoriously supported by george washington carver; said insinuation insinuates that if he were a suprior caucasian person, he would agree with french brethren and enjoy cheese more
2008-03-10 16:38 < Infornographer> Are there really minors in a wikipedia chat?
2008-03-10 16:39 < gwern> Infornographer: sure. many minors idle here and on WP
2008-03-10 16:39 < gwern> remember, a good chunk of our admins are underage
2008-03-10 16:39 < rw> gwern, now you really seem to be ferocious on theat subject
2008-03-10 16:40 < gwern> eg. Ilyanep made 'crat at 11
2008-03-10 16:40 < rw> let the peanutbutter wars beginn
2008-03-10 16:40 < gwern> rw: cheese or ageism?
2008-03-10 16:41 < gwern> begun, the spread wars have
2008-03-10 16:41 < rw> the former
2008-03-10 16:42 < gwern> but we must always beware the outcasts, who insist that jam or dairy butter are the true way! they are anethema to us both!
2008-03-10 16:42 < rw> but this is a ridicoulous comparison
2008-03-10 16:43 < Demi> cheese and peanut butter don't exist at the same organizational level
2008-03-10 16:43 < gwern> ANATHEMA
2008-03-10 16:43 < bumm13> hiya Demi
2008-03-10 16:43 < rw> gwern, can't we just end this war and live in peace?
2008-03-10 16:43 < Demi> well, you can have a delicious cheese and jelly sandwich
2008-03-10 16:43 < Demi> and you can also have macaroni and peanut butter, though you should probably call it pad thai
2008-03-10 16:43 < Demi> bumm13 hi
2008-03-10 16:44 < gwern> Demi: of course they do. do you do *anything* with brie except spread it on a carbohyrdate agglomeration?
2008-03-10 16:44 < Demi> gwern - of course they do what?
2008-03-10 16:44 < gwern> Demi: so, you are a dual substance-er! HERETIC
2008-03-10 16:44 < Demi> i mean there are many more kinds of cheese than kinds of peanut butter
2008-03-10 16:45 < Demi> it's like comparing an iPod and "food"
2008-03-10 16:45 < gwern> a sandwich must be co-substanial with its cheese contents. that is the Holy Myster
2008-03-10 16:45 < gwern> *Mystery
2008-03-10 16:45 < bumm13> iPods are crunchy
2008-03-10 16:45 < rw> this is so pathetic :-)
2008-03-10 16:46 < gwern> Demi: accept the Monophysite true doctrine; abandon your Chalcedonian error - lest you suffer the sticky fate of Nestorius
2008-03-10 16:46 < rw> i hereby resign this case
2008-03-10 16:46 * bumm13 NP: Eagles - Witchy Woman (1972)
2008-03-10 16:46 < Demi> i'll also point out that cheese and peanut butter can be delicious together
2008-03-10 16:46 < gwern> Victory!
2008-03-10 16:47 * gwern vaunts
2008-03-10 16:47 < gwern> rw: btw, 'pathetic' would be doing a full-blown parody of the history of Christian theology as an epic conflict between partaisans of cheese, peanut butter, and other spreads
2008-03-10 16:47 < gwern> *partisans
2008-03-10 16:48 < gwern> ...actually, that could be a great book. 'The One True Spread: The Delicious History of Christianity'
2008-03-10 16:50 < gwern> if only I knew enough theology to do it justice
2008-03-10 16:51 < rw> gwern, you might better stick to the cheese and peanutbutter studies
2008-03-10 16:51 < rw> ;)
2008-03-10 16:52 < gwern> rw: no no, I could do the split between smooth and chunky as the Great Schism!
2008-03-10 16:52 < rw> ok,
2008-03-10 16:52 < gwern> (or would casting that distinction as the Protestan Reformation make more sense?)
2008-03-10 16:52 < cctoide> Urban Dead?
2008-03-10 17:00 < mexicanbanana> What's it called when you list "The Sopranos" under "S" rather than "T" because (supposedly) "The" is such a common word?
2008-03-10 17:00 < mexicanbanana> Sopranos, The
2008-03-10 17:00 < mexicanbanana> Twilight Zone, THe
2008-03-10 17:01 < gwern> mexicanbanana: you mean, how do you make it appear that way in categories?
2008-03-10 17:02 < mexicanbanana> I just was wondering what this practice is called.
2008-03-10 17:03 < gwern> sorting, I think
2008-03-10 17:03 < gwern> as in, 'sortkey, or 'defaultsort'
2008-03-10 17:12 < mexicanbanana> :S
2008-03-10 17:14 < gwern> 'The problem can be considered notable in cultural trivia, as the only well-known paper ever written by Microsoft Chairman and billionaire Bill Gates (as William Gates), entitled "Bounds for Sorting by Prefix Reversal" and published in 1979, describes an efficient algorithm for pancake sorting. In addition, the most notable paper published by Futurama co-creator David X. Cohen (as David S. Cohen) concerned the burnt pancake problem. ...
2008-03-10 17:14 < gwern> ... Their collaborators were Christos Papadimitriou (then at Harvard, now at Berkeley) and Manuel Blum (then at Berkeley, now at Carnegie Mellon University), respectively.'
2008-03-10 17:14 < compwhizii> lol netsplit
2008-03-10 17:16 < shimgray> I saw an actual meaningful and interesting "references in popular culture" section today, discussion of the Simpsons and all.
2008-03-10 17:17 < shimgray> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist
2008-03-10 17:23 < gwern> shimgray: did you know The Economist is at a crossroads?
2008-03-10 17:24 < shimgray> Two roads diverged in a narrow wood, and it, it took the one to Indonesia.
2008-03-10 17:24 < gwern> it's true!
2008-03-10 17:35 < LordPants> how do I cite a personal letter or diary? I don't see a {{cite}} template for it
2008-03-10 17:37 < steveire> Anyone know if there's a unicode character for a tick mark?
2008-03-10 17:39 < LordPants> steveire, you mean like an apostraphe/single quote?
2008-03-10 17:39 < kibble> /h
2008-03-10 17:39 < steveire> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=Tick_(checkmark). Yep, found it actually
2008-03-10 17:41 < LordPants> how do I cite a personal letter? anyone?
2008-03-10 17:41 < NotACow> LordPants: you're not allowed to cite documents that aren't published on the internet.
2008-03-10 17:41 < LordPants> NotACow, it's Thomas Jefferson's personal letter, and it's all over the internet
2008-03-10 17:42 < shimgray> cite it as any other document