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2008-03-10 07:30 < Scientus> the action stuff
2008-03-10 07:30 < cat> magic ;)
2008-03-10 07:30 < Scientus> seriously
2008-03-10 07:31 < Scientus> mike_h whats it like in tampa????
2008-03-10 07:33 < cat> it is raining fire
2008-03-10 07:33 < Scientus> seiously
2008-03-10 07:36 < cat> Scientus: NotACow> cat don't lie
2008-03-10 07:36 < cat> see, I am honest :)
2008-03-10 07:36 < Scientus> ???
2008-03-10 07:36 < Scientus> tecll me how to do actions
2008-03-10 07:37 < Scientus> ur on the same client
2008-03-10 07:37 < Scientus> so i can be a pretentious fag
2008-03-10 07:37 < Aqwis> /me
2008-03-10 07:37 < cat> Scientus: you are a fag and are therefore pretentious
2008-03-10 07:37 < Scientus> wtf!
2008-03-10 07:38 < cat> it's a gay thing
2008-03-10 07:38 < cat> you understand
2008-03-10 07:38 < Scientus> fuck you cat
2008-03-10 07:38 < cat> outch
2008-03-10 07:38 * cat was hit where it hurts
2008-03-10 07:39 * Scientus cat is a lamo
2008-03-10 07:39 * cat gasps
2008-03-10 07:39 * Scientus see whos the master now
2008-03-10 07:39 < cat> you keep getting me bad
2008-03-10 07:39 < cat> Scientus: since I have been here longer then you I am the master
2008-03-10 07:39 * Scientus cat think he is owned now
2008-03-10 07:39 < cat> outch
2008-03-10 07:39 < cat> you learnt a basic command
2008-03-10 07:39 < cat> you sure are cool
2008-03-10 07:39 < Scientus> after trying like /help to like 50 others
2008-03-10 07:40 * cat gasps
2008-03-10 07:40 < Leslie_S> ....
2008-03-10 07:40 < cat> a whole 50?
2008-03-10 07:40 < Leslie_S> youre both idiots.
2008-03-10 07:40 * cat waves to Leslie_S
2008-03-10 07:40 < Leslie_S> you know that?
2008-03-10 07:40 < cat> I know I am
2008-03-10 07:40 * Scientus this chat is off-topic
2008-03-10 07:40 < Leslie_S> oh, its you.
2008-03-10 07:40 < Leslie_S> heh.
2008-03-10 07:40 < cat> I just don't take it seriously
2008-03-10 07:40 < Leslie_S> Scientus stop fucking overusing it. you look like a dumbass.
2008-03-10 07:40 * Scientus especially when its not 3rd person
2008-03-10 07:40 < Leslie_S> ./me is for ACTIONS. not TALK.
2008-03-10 07:40 < cat> *gives Leslie_S a biiiig cookie*
2008-03-10 07:40 * Scientus then i really look stupid
2008-03-10 07:41 < Scientus> hey! cat that needed it
2008-03-10 07:41 < cat> huh?
2008-03-10 07:41 < cat> please explain what you said again
2008-03-10 07:41 * Scientus cat fives leslie a big cookie
2008-03-10 07:41 < cat> ummm
2008-03-10 07:41 < Scientus> when its an action it demand the /me
2008-03-10 07:41 < cat> oookkk
2008-03-10 07:42 < cat> that wasn't an action
2008-03-10 07:42 < Scientus> i'm done now
2008-03-10 07:42 < cat> and if it was, you need to learn enrgish
2008-03-10 07:42 * Scientus Scientus enjoys have a new command, even if that makes him lamo
2008-03-10 07:42 * Scientus scientus thing being ocd about speling is lame to
2008-03-10 07:43 < Undeference> Scientus: is /quit a new command for you? :-)
2008-03-10 07:43 < cat> "/part Undeference "
2008-03-10 07:43 < cat> that will remove him
2008-03-10 07:43 * Scientus thinks undeference is being a twit
2008-03-10 07:43 < Scientus> but :) makes it all better i guess
2008-03-10 07:45 * cat pours petrol over Scientus and gives Undeference some matches
2008-03-10 07:46 * cat lights a match and throws it on Scientus
2008-03-10 07:46 < cat> you missed your chance
2008-03-10 07:52 < stevecrossin> !admin
2008-03-10 07:52 < stevecrossin> ahh
2008-03-10 07:52 < cat> !admin@wikipedia
2008-03-10 07:52 < cat> say your prob, someone should reply ;)
2008-03-10 07:52 < stevecrossin> the issue has resolved itself, apparently
2008-03-10 07:53 < cat> hahahahahha
2008-03-10 07:53 < stevecrossin> Wikipedia had a technincal error, but it seems fixed now
2008-03-10 07:53 < cat> always doing my best to help ;)
2008-03-10 07:53 < stevecrossin> cheers, I'll remember that :)
2008-03-10 07:53 < cat> hehehe np
2008-03-10 07:54 < cat> heya HiyaHyia
2008-03-10 07:54 < HiyaHyia> hey cat
2008-03-10 07:54 < HiyaHyia> just dropping in
2008-03-10 07:54 < HiyaHyia> :)
2008-03-10 07:54 < cat> goodie :)
2008-03-10 07:54 < cat> you been here before?
2008-03-10 07:55 < HiyaHyia> of course :)
2008-03-10 07:55 < cat> ah, goodie
2008-03-10 07:55 < cat> you should get a good client ;)
2008-03-10 07:55 < HiyaHyia> I know rofl
2008-03-10 07:56 < HiyaHyia> but where i am atm
2008-03-10 07:56 < cat> one which doesn't suck Scientus's balls
2008-03-10 07:56 < HiyaHyia> irc is fully blocked
2008-03-10 07:56 < cat> hahaha
2008-03-10 07:56 < cat> school? work?
2008-03-10 07:56 < HiyaHyia> school
2008-03-10 07:56 < HiyaHyia> and i gotta go
2008-03-10 07:56 < HiyaHyia> peace
2008-03-10 07:56 < cat> O_O A hippie
2008-03-10 07:58 < cat> hiya goes to Cégep du Vieux Montréal O_O
2008-03-10 07:58 * cat wonders why the school speaks in satan's language
2008-03-10 08:14 < Apollo9> Does wikipedia use PHP for generating content?
2008-03-10 08:17 < cat> Apollo9: yep :)
2008-03-10 08:18 < cat> for all the technical stuff, you should probably ask in #mediawiki :)
2008-03-10 08:20 < Apollo9> cat: thank you :)
2008-03-10 08:20 < cat> np ;)
2008-03-10 08:20 * cat has to write his timeplan up for his assignment :(
2008-03-10 08:20 < cat> Realistic Timeplan
2008-03-10 08:20 < cat> Day 1: Work send out surveys
2008-03-10 08:20 < cat> Day 4: Reply to email from IGA
2008-03-10 08:20 < cat> 2 Days before assignment is due: Buy 4 cans of red bull
2008-03-10 08:20 < cat> Day before assignment is due: Drink red bull and work overnight on assignment
2008-03-10 08:20 < cat> very accurate :)
2008-03-10 08:28 < thedj> anyone got an idea as to why this imagemap of this timeline isn't working ?
2008-03-10 08:28 < NotACow> eck
2008-03-10 08:28 < NotACow> the clock on ythis box is waybombers fast
2008-03-10 08:30 < NotACow> the hwclock on this box drifts something massive
2008-03-10 08:30 < NotACow> normally ntp keeps it in line
2008-03-10 08:30 < NotACow> but my ntp chimer stopped for some reason
2008-03-10 08:30 < NotACow> it's happier now
2008-03-10 08:32 * NotACow chimes at Cirt
2008-03-10 08:32 < Cirt> hi
2008-03-10 08:33 < NotACow> MABOGNA!
2008-03-10 08:33 < Cirt> ??
2008-03-10 08:33 < NotACow> you heard me
2008-03-10 08:33 < NotACow> MABOGNA!
2008-03-10 08:34 < Cirt> what does that mean?
2008-03-10 08:34 < NotACow> i can't tell you that
2008-03-10 08:34 < Cirt> um, ok
2008-03-10 08:47 < NotACow> GAMOGBA!
2008-03-10 08:47 < Aqwis> mmm
2008-03-10 08:49 < NotACow> so, have you banned anyone unfairly today?
2008-03-10 08:52 < Aqwis> actually no
2008-03-10 08:52 * cat bursts into flames
2008-03-10 08:53 < NotACow> Aqwis: well, what's wrong with you, man? get back to work!
2008-03-10 08:53 < Aqwis> i haven't actually banned anyone the last week
2008-03-10 08:53 < Aqwis> ;|
2008-03-10 08:53 < NotACow> lazy fuck!
2008-03-10 08:53 < Aqwis> indeed
2008-03-10 08:53 < Aqwis> oh, blocked
2008-03-10 08:53 < Aqwis> of course i meant blocked ;)
2008-03-10 08:54 * cat sits on Aqwis' lap
2008-03-10 08:54 * cat continues to burn
2008-03-10 08:54 < NotACow> wikipedia's reputation depends on you unfairly banning at least ten people a week
2008-03-10 08:54 < cat> hahahaa
2008-03-10 08:54 < Falc> The Sky is blue. <- Citation that or be banned, for life.
2008-03-10 08:55 < cat> hahahahaa
2008-03-10 08:56 < Aqwis> i was going to ask you why you think WP has peaked, but i'm not going to bother
2008-03-10 08:56 < Aqwis> so don't answer
2008-03-10 09:06 < NotACow> ARE YOU EVIL?
2008-03-10 09:06 < NotACow> Aqwis: i won't, then :)
2008-03-10 09:06 < zocky> [ ] yes [ ] no
2008-03-10 09:06 < NotACow> Aqwis: anyway, it's bleedingly obvious that it's peaked, but anyway.
2008-03-10 09:07 < Aqwis> not to me - we're gaining new FAs, GAs all the time - the quality of existing FAs/GAs may be declining but how heavily?
2008-03-10 09:07 < zocky> NotACow, the problem with wikipedia is that you can't replace it
2008-03-10 09:08 < zocky> NotACow, so I don't think it's peaked at all... the question is just how long it will take until stuff gets sorted out in sane manner
2008-03-10 09:08 < placebo_effect> how is there quality declining?
2008-03-10 09:08 < Aqwis> *shrug*
2008-03-10 09:09 < NotACow> A study conducted by 118 118, a phone directory service, found that one in 10 people has been hurt while focusing on their cell phone instead of where they were walking, ITN reports.
2008-03-10 09:09 < Aqwis> an example from my watchlist is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel which i think was better just after becoming an FA
2008-03-10 09:09 < NotACow> Arria: FA/GA represent a miniscule fraction of articles on wikipedia, and an uninteresting cross-section at that.
2008-03-10 09:09 < Aqwis> that is hardly even B quality today
2008-03-10 09:10 < Aqwis> NotACow, a, q, tab
2008-03-10 09:10 < NotACow> who the fuck cares about Isambard Kingdom Brunel?
2008-03-10 09:10 < zocky> total quality is increasing, but the average quality is falling, simply beacuse we're so obsessed with internal workings of the project, that nobody has the time to fight non-encyclopedic reporting
2008-03-10 09:10 < NotACow> Aqwis: whatever.
2008-03-10 09:10 < Aqwis> :)
2008-03-10 09:10 < zocky> the things that used to be shouted down immediately, like the idea that en is for native english speakers, now seem quite popular
2008-03-10 09:10 < NotACow> my bellwethers for quality are articles like "fire", "computer", "automobile", "geology"
2008-03-10 09:10 < Aqwis> you're right that many "basic" articles like [[Fire]] are very poor articles
2008-03-10 09:10 < Aqwis> i'm not sure really, they should be easy enough to write
2008-03-10 09:11 < zocky> also,it's becoming impossible to have NPOV political articles about stuff outside anglosphere
2008-03-10 09:11 < Aqwis> could even cite text books
2008-03-10 09:11 < NotACow> not some article on some obscure topic that nobody but its author cares aout
2008-03-10 09:11 < zocky> articles about e.g. communism are written completely from the western perspective
2008-03-10 09:11 < zocky> we have silly things like calling raul castro the "president of cuba", when no such office exists
2008-03-10 09:12 < NotACow> zocky: i remain convinced that NPOV does not exist.
2008-03-10 09:12 < arcimboldo_> the President of the Central Committee?
2008-03-10 09:12 * zocky imagines trying to explain to people that yugoslavia didn't have a one-party system,because the "league of communists" wasn't a political party
2008-03-10 09:12 < Aqwis> but it's true, "neutral point of view" is a poor name for that policy
2008-03-10 09:12 < zocky> arcimboldo_, he's the president of some council
2008-03-10 09:13 < arcimboldo_> was it a zero-party system then?
2008-03-10 09:13 < Aqwis> however, i think the concept that the WP:NPOV page describes which it calls "NPOV" (but isn't really) exists
2008-03-10 09:13 < Leslie_S> lol, applying for power, one question on the application is "Does any member of the family require life support equipment?"
2008-03-10 09:13 < zocky> yes, a zero-party system
2008-03-10 09:13 < NotACow> Leslie_S: that's a big deal
2008-03-10 09:13 < Leslie_S> does this mean that ill get better service if i say yes, and that they will die if the power goes out for more than 10 minutes?
2008-03-10 09:13 < zocky> of course you can argue that it was a single-party system in effect
2008-03-10 09:13 < Leslie_S> NotACow still, what is the power company going to do about it?
2008-03-10 09:13 < NotACow> Leslie_S: if anyone in a residence is on life support, the power company cannot turn off your power.
2008-03-10 09:13 < zocky> but that's the only view that is presented in the encyclopedia
2008-03-10 09:13 < NotACow> Leslie_S: and if there is an outage, they are required to dispatch an emergency generator immediately.
2008-03-10 09:13 < Leslie_S> NotACow oh.
2008-03-10 09:13 < Leslie_S> NotACow awesome.
2008-03-10 09:13 < NotACow> Leslie_S: lying on that question is a felony.
2008-03-10 09:14 < Leslie_S> NotACow also, the online power-turner-on system really sucks.
2008-03-10 09:14 < Leslie_S> NotACow it wont even accept my apartment address as valid.
2008-03-10 09:14 < NotACow> Leslie_S: the flip side of that question is if you say "no" and there is someone on support, then if the power goes out and they die, you cannot sue them
2008-03-10 09:15 < Leslie_S> and i'm doing this at indianamichiganpower.com. in the address form, in the state field, there are 8 state.s wtf?
2008-03-10 09:15 < NotACow> Leslie_S: haha
2008-03-10 09:15 < NotACow> Leslie_S: is one of them mississippi?
2008-03-10 09:15 < zocky> anyway, my point is that even influential admins are now POV pushers
2008-03-10 09:15 < NotACow> zocky: some of wikiepdia's most influential admins are dyed-in-the-wool bias-pushers
2008-03-10 09:15 < NotACow> zocky: including Fearless Leader Jimbo
2008-03-10 09:16 < Aqwis> *especially* wikipedia's most influental admins
2008-03-10 09:16 < zocky> NotACow, jimbo is mostly inconsequential for political bias, IMHO
2008-03-10 09:16 < NotACow> zocky: no, he pushes a different set of biases.
2008-03-10 09:16 < NotACow> zocky: mostly along the lines of keeping his own biography hagiographic.
2008-03-10 09:17 < zocky> NotACow, i'm sure I told you about my favorite calvin & hobbes?
2008-03-10 09:17 < NotACow> anybody who thinks jimmy's biography is "neutral" has been sucking too much kool-aid
2008-03-10 09:17 < NotACow> zocky: i think so, but i don't recall what it was
2008-03-10 09:18 < NotACow> http://techdigest.tv/2008/03/padded_lamppost.html <- haha
2008-03-10 09:18 < NotACow> padded lampposts
2008-03-10 09:19 < Leslie_S> NotACow theres a little informational javascript popup available for the life support thing. it essentially says that "we are unable to guarantee priority power restoration, and that you better take your own precautionary measures. screw you, we dont care. BUT WE'LL KEEP A RECORD OF IT!"
2008-03-10 09:19 < NotACow> Leslie_S: heh.
2008-03-10 09:19 < zocky> NotACow, calvin says stuff like "i've decided to look after my own intererests. it's a dog-eat-dog world out there and you must protect yourself. might is right, and the weak deserve their lot." then hobbes pushes him in the mud, and calvin screams "WHAT DID YOU DO THAT FOR?". hobbes says, "you were in my way, now you're not. the ends justfies the means". and calvin screams "I MEANT FOR ME, YOU DOLT! NOT FOR EVERYBODY!"
2008-03-10 09:19 < NotACow> zocky: heheh. that's so jimbo!
2008-03-10 09:20 < Leslie_S> NotACow are they really required to dispatch an emergency generator?
2008-03-10 09:20 < NotACow> Leslie_S: in some states.
2008-03-10 09:20 < Leslie_S> NotACow seems kinda like youd already have your own anyway..
2008-03-10 09:20 < NotACow> Leslie_S: you should; even if they dispatch a generator it may be hours before it arrive.
2008-03-10 09:20 < Cirt> anyone here from OTRS?
2008-03-10 09:20 < NotACow> Leslie_S: anyone who has life support equipment has at least batteries, and typically a cutover generator
2008-03-10 09:20 < NotACow> we need to get a cutover generator.
2008-03-10 09:21 < NotACow> they're about $3000 for a house the size of ours
2008-03-10 09:21 < zocky> a UPS?
2008-03-10 09:21 < NotACow> i'm seriously considering one after last year
2008-03-10 09:21 < NotACow> zocky: no, a cutover generator.
2008-03-10 09:21 < NotACow> zocky: cutover generators typically take ten seconds to a minute to start generating after an outage.
2008-03-10 09:21 < zocky> NotACow, ok, a gas-powered UPS
2008-03-10 09:21 < Cirt> nevermind
2008-03-10 09:21 < NotACow> zocky: a gas-powered generator.
2008-03-10 09:22 < NotACow> zocky: it's not a UPS because it doesn't provide "uninterrupted power"
2008-03-10 09:22 < NotACow> zocky: if you want uninterrupted power you still need a battery system or a flywheel or something.
2008-03-10 09:22 < zocky> NotACow, ah, it doesn't have any provisions for the minute?
2008-03-10 09:22 < NotACow> zocky: no. but for a residence, you don't really need uninterrupted power.
2008-03-10 09:22 < Leslie_S> NotACow oh, did i ever mention the signs regarding emergency calls at my school? "If the emergency is life threatening, dial 9911. otherwise, dial 6911."
2008-03-10 09:22 < NotACow> zocky: you just want it not to be out for hours so the food in your fridge doesn't rot.
2008-03-10 09:23 < NotACow> zocky: and so your furnace still runs
2008-03-10 09:23 < zocky> NotACow, yeah, it's not like getting cut of from WoW is life-threatening
2008-03-10 09:23 < NotACow> zocky: so your pipes don't freeze
2008-03-10 09:23 < NotACow> zocky: i'd probably also put an inexpensive 15-minute UPS on the computers or something.
2008-03-10 09:23 < NotACow> zocky: long enough to hold them up while the generator fires
2008-03-10 09:24 < NotACow> zocky: we had two long outages last year (one was nearly 24 hours, one was about 9) and three or four shorter ones.
2008-03-10 09:25 < zocky> NotACow, is that in the city?
2008-03-10 09:25 < zocky> or countryside?
2008-03-10 09:25 < NotACow> zocky: we live in suburban cook county.
2008-03-10 09:25 < NotACow> zocky: not deep in the heart of the city, but not in the middle of nowhere, either
2008-03-10 09:25 < NotACow> zocky: about three miles south of o'hare.
2008-03-10 09:25 < zocky> we get long outages very rarely, but then again, you have more extreme weather
2008-03-10 09:26 < NotACow> zocky: it's been mostly due to weather, but also due to grid issues
2008-03-10 09:26 < NotACow> zocky: the grid around here is very shaky.
2008-03-10 09:26 < Leslie_S> omg.
2008-03-10 09:26 < Leslie_S> theres gonna be a $149 deposit to get power turned on.
2008-03-10 09:26 < zocky> ah, we still don't get those, but are bound to in the next 5-10 years
2008-03-10 09:26 < Leslie_S> and what does power cost per month?
2008-03-10 09:26 < NotACow> basically there's not a lot of reserve capacity, and even minor failures can cascade.
2008-03-10 09:26 < NotACow> Leslie_S: depends on how muc you use :)
2008-03-10 09:26 < zocky> they're privatizing the networks, and the private owners don't maintain them.
2008-03-10 09:27 < NotACow> zocky: ComEd has done a piss-poor job of grid maintenance here.
2008-03-10 09:27 < Leslie_S> NotACow whats average? im going to have a 10 gal fishtank, 3 computers with CRT monitors, 2 laptops, and a fridge? and fluorescent lights.
2008-03-10 09:27 < NotACow> Leslie_S: i don't know what your kwh rate is there
2008-03-10 09:27 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-03-10 09:27 < zocky> and they mostly don't have the money to invest into expansion, since that requires billions of euros.
2008-03-10 09:27 < Leslie_S> NotACow our service was pretty bad when i lived in the sticks. dunno how it is out here.
2008-03-10 09:27 < NotACow> zocky: they have the money; they just choose to give it to their executives and shareholders.
2008-03-10 09:28 < NotACow> zocky: these companies have been wildly profitable in recent years.
2008-03-10 09:28 < The359> because that list of items can clearly be deciphered into power usage accurately
2008-03-10 09:28 < Leslie_S> NotACow but they werent that slow at dispatching for localized emergencies.
2008-03-10 09:28 < NotACow> The359: i'm half-way decent at coming up with loading requirements for computer equipment, but that' sbecause i've done datacenter powerloading design work.
2008-03-10 09:28 < NotACow> The359: i have no idea what a fishtank reqires.
2008-03-10 09:29 < Leslie_S> NotACow like i had a pole fall down a few years ago, and the fire department turned the power off and didnt contact the power company. WTF? ...anyway, 25 minutes after my call (which didnt mention the hazards, because i didnt notice), a truck comes and looks, and then a few minutes later, 6 trucks come. .. :P
2008-03-10 09:30 < NotACow> we had a 22kV feeder fall down along the highway near my house
2008-03-10 09:30 < Leslie_S> NotACow note the fact that I HAD A POLE FALL DOWN.
2008-03-10 09:30 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-03-10 09:30 < NotACow> it took out about 15 poles and blocked a US highway for four hours.
2008-03-10 09:30 < Leslie_S> NotACow i had a transformer blow up once too. and several incidents of rednecks cutting trees down or ripping them out with 4x4s.
2008-03-10 09:30 < zocky> NotACow, I don't think they really have the money. most ordinary people don't really have the money to pay all of their expenses. they can buy cheap junk food, cheap junk clothes and cheap junk gadgets, but they can't afford to buy a house, or to pay enough for the electricity to cover the production, and maintenance, AND expansion of the network.
2008-03-10 09:30 < Leslie_S> NotACow one of the redneck incidents was my dad. how embarrasing. and the broken line was down in the middle of my driveway.
2008-03-10 09:30 < NotACow> zocky: the P&L satements for these companies suggests that they do.
2008-03-10 09:31 < zocky> NotACow, so the owners are just squeezing out any money that they can get
2008-03-10 09:31 < NotACow> zocky: these companies are floating in cash.
2008-03-10 09:31 < Leslie_S> zocky and people like me only have the money to pay for half an apartment.
2008-03-10 09:31 < Aqwis> hrr
2008-03-10 09:31 < Aqwis> buying a house is uncommon in the US?
2008-03-10 09:32 < NotACow> zocky: e.g. Exelon, which in 2006 had net income of $1.59B on revenue of $15.6B
2008-03-10 09:32 < zocky> NotACow, dunno how it works in US, but here the needed expansion would cost more than all the private distribution companies are worth. it would be several billions just for slovenia, and nobody but the government has that kind of money.
2008-03-10 09:32 < HiyaHiya> hi NotACow
2008-03-10 09:32 < Aqwis> ahh, zocky is in slovenia
2008-03-10 09:33 < zocky> so it will be the government that will build the new netwrok in the end, when the current one goes to the dogs
2008-03-10 09:34 < Leslie_S> hmmm
2008-03-10 09:34 < zocky> in the meanwhile, we sit back and wait for the invisible hand of the market to strangle us :)
2008-03-10 09:34 < NotACow> zocky: the problem is that these companies are deferring maintenance in order to increase profitability
2008-03-10 09:34 < Leslie_S> I did the beginning of the application for power online, and it said i only need a $70 deposit. i mentioned i was a previous customer online, but not on the phone. Cant they look it up on the phone? :/
2008-03-10 09:35 < NotACow> zocky: meanwhile, they pay their CEO about $8 million a year
2008-03-10 09:35 < zocky> NotACow, that too, of course. that makes the networks fail much sooner than they would just because of the increased demand and production
2008-03-10 09:36 < Leslie_S> im gonna drive out to the apartment to get the damn meter number. brb@
2008-03-10 09:36 < zocky> Leslie_S, they do that just to screw with your head
2008-03-10 09:37 * NotACow giggles
2008-03-10 09:37 < Leslie_S> zocky what, making me get my own meter number, or the deposit?
2008-03-10 09:37 < zocky> my ISP had me go to the bank and ask for a printout that I had to fax to them, because they couldn't trace the money I paid them for a bill
2008-03-10 09:37 < NotACow> we didn't need a deposit when we had our power turned on....
2008-03-10 09:37 < Leslie_S> zocky rofl
2008-03-10 09:37 * HiyaHiya spanks NotACow
2008-03-10 09:38 < zocky> Leslie_S, they cut me off too... I was without internet for 2 weeks
2008-03-10 09:38 < Leslie_S> NotACow i had like a $150 deposit when i got power turned on from the same company a few years ago. now they want $150 on the phone or $70 on the internet.
2008-03-10 09:38 < Leslie_S> zocky what a bunch of morons
2008-03-10 09:38 < NotACow> Leslie_S: did you ever get that deposit back?
2008-03-10 09:38 < zocky> Leslie_S, they had a guy come to my building and cut the line, but not knock on my door and ask for the 30 euros
2008-03-10 09:38 < NotACow> zocky: cute.
2008-03-10 09:38 < Leslie_S> NotACow yes
2008-03-10 09:38 < Leslie_S> zocky LOL
2008-03-10 09:39 < NotACow> Leslie_S: they don't care, they just want your money
2008-03-10 09:39 < NotACow> we bought a new washer and our water bill went down $15
2008-03-10 09:39 < HiyaHiya> fun
2008-03-10 09:39 < HiyaHiya> the governement here is thinking to make a bill to tax water
2008-03-10 09:40 < NotACow> HiyaHiya: ours already is.
2008-03-10 09:40 < HiyaHiya> fun :)
2008-03-10 09:41 < NotACow> if that holds up, the washer will pay for itself in five years
2008-03-10 09:41 < zocky> NotACow, in my hometown, a block of flats paid for a complete as-is evaluation of their HVAC installations, their insulation and stuff, measurements of heat loss, etc, and proved that the public heating utility was charging them double of what their building could theoretically spend.
2008-03-10 09:42 < NotACow> zocky: hah
2008-03-10 09:43 < NotACow> meh
2008-03-10 09:43 < NotACow> "bring wikipedia to a larger audience"
2008-03-10 09:43 < NotACow> dude, how much larger do you want it to be?
2008-03-10 09:43 < zocky> well, there's moon and mars, and the african children
2008-03-10 09:44 < The359> China
2008-03-10 09:44 * zocky wonders if we're still planning a print edition
2008-03-10 09:47 < NotACow> zocky: of course.
2008-03-10 09:47 < NotACow> zocky: what a waste of resources.
2008-03-10 09:48 < NotACow> zocky: i wish they'd hire people to improve content instead of wasting resources chasing butterflies
2008-03-10 09:49 < NotACow> WE WILL EAT YOUR CHILDREN!
2008-03-10 09:49 < cat> O_o
2008-03-10 09:49 < cat> ARGHHH!!!
2008-03-10 09:49 < NotACow> ALL OF THEM!
2008-03-10 09:49 < cat> NOTACOW IS JIMMY WALES
2008-03-10 09:50 < Kamping_Kaiser> :o
2008-03-10 09:50 < NotACow> AND WE WILL ENJOY IT TOO
2008-03-10 09:50 < cat> O_o
2008-03-10 09:50 < NotACow> ABANDON HOPE ALL YE WHO EDIT HERE
2008-03-10 09:50 < Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
2008-03-10 09:52 * NotACow thinks that should be put in the sitenotice
2008-03-10 09:54 * Kamping_Kaiser worries about the company he keeps
2008-03-10 09:54 < NotACow> Kamping_Kaiser: shoot them all, then
2008-03-10 09:54 * Kamping_Kaiser turns NotACow and cat into a slightly late midnight snack
2008-03-10 09:54 < NotACow> evil is good
2008-03-10 09:54 < cat> O_o
2008-03-10 09:54 * NotACow rots Kamping_Kaiser's soul from within
2008-03-10 09:54 * cat eats out Kamping_Kaiser
2008-03-10 09:55 < NotACow> never underestimate the true horrific power of the wikisatan
2008-03-10 09:55 * Kamping_Kaiser passes cat to an asian cook
2008-03-10 09:55 < cat> OH NOE!!!
2008-03-10 09:55 < cat> I HATE ASIAN COOKS!!!
2008-03-10 09:55 * cat hides
2008-03-10 09:55 * cat hids under Kamping_Kaiser's dress
2008-03-10 09:55 < NotACow> I CAN HAS CATBURGER?
2008-03-10 09:56 < Kamping_Kaiser> under my *dress*? you dirty little perv
2008-03-10 09:56 * Kamping_Kaiser fires hairties at cat
2008-03-10 09:59 < E_Wing> Kamping_Kaiser: Send cat to a chinese chef
2008-03-10 09:59 * cat latches onto E_Wing'd arm
2008-03-10 09:59 < E_Wing> He will grind cat for a meat bun filling
2008-03-10 09:59 < Kamping_Kaiser> E_Wing, i should eh :)
2008-03-10 10:01 < E_Wing> Well, they say here that cat meat is the meat inside a "siopao", or a meat bun (in english).
2008-03-10 10:03 < NotACow> CATBURGER!
2008-03-10 10:04 < NotACow> I CAN HAS CATBURGER!
2008-03-10 10:05 < Hildanknight> Kamping_Kaiser, cat: What do you have against Asians?
2008-03-10 10:05 < E_Wing_> Tsk
2008-03-10 10:06 < Kamping_Kaiser> Hildanknight, i dont...
2008-03-10 10:06 < E_Wing_> Its me, E_Wing
2008-03-10 10:06 < E_Wing_> The irc connection here just got reset
2008-03-10 10:07 < Leslie_S> no meters on the side of the building!
2008-03-10 10:07 < Leslie_S> heh.
2008-03-10 10:07 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-03-10 10:09 < Limo> Greetings, everyone!
2008-03-10 10:12 < E_Wing_> Greetings
2008-03-10 10:12 < E_Wing_> And good evening
2008-03-10 10:20 < Leslie_S> i bruised myself waxing my legs. will that take a while to heal? :/
2008-03-10 10:22 * Kamping_Kaiser tries not to snigger
2008-03-10 10:23 < E_Wing_> Brb, will try to translate this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandaigdigang_pagkakapatiran
2008-03-10 10:27 < Rinn> I parsed that as "Panda Ding Dong" at first.
2008-03-10 10:37 < Dragonfly6-7> is there anyone Scottish here?
2008-03-10 10:41 < NotACow> YART!
2008-03-10 11:00 < NotASpider> "Betacommand won't release his bot's source code. Since we are an open-content project, I do not find this acceptable. We shouldn't have 'black boxes' editing Wikipedia." -- crotalus horridus
2008-03-10 11:00 < NotASpider> (ban all humans!)
2008-03-10 11:00 < The359> heh
2008-03-10 11:00 < The359> that was my thinking
2008-03-10 11:01 < NotASpider> actually sometimes i wish i could read my own source code
2008-03-10 11:02 < Platonides> xDD
2008-03-10 11:04 < NotASpider> hmm the guy has his own fork of AN/I, i'm slightly envious
2008-03-10 11:08 * Demi reads the av club about controversial wikipedia articles
2008-03-10 11:09 < Paine> People need to realise that if a wikipedia article offends them, they don't have to read it.
2008-03-10 11:10 * Paine redirects [Special:Random Page] to [[Generic Controversial Article]]
2008-03-10 11:10 < NotACow> Paine: i think they're more concerned that other people will read it.
2008-03-10 11:10 < Paine> If they don't read it on wikipedia, they can easily read it elsewhere..
2008-03-10 11:10 < Paine> Shut down the internet! quick!
2008-03-10 11:11 < NotACow> Paine: people have the right to attempt to influence other people's speech. that is what free speech is about.
2008-03-10 11:11 * Paine blinks.
2008-03-10 11:11 < Paine> Where'd that one come from?
2008-03-10 11:11 < NotACow> Paine: you are suggesting that people have no right to complain about wikipedia articles.
2008-03-10 11:11 < NotACow> Paine: that complaining about wikipedia articles is unreasonable conduct.
2008-03-10 11:12 < NotACow> Paine: in short, you are suggesting that wikipedians should not be responsible in their speech.
2008-03-10 11:12 < NotACow> Paine: in short, you're a fucking idiot and should be hit in the head with a stick, repeatedly.
2008-03-10 11:12 * Aqwis feels the love
2008-03-10 11:12 * Paine checks calendar, notices big red circle.
2008-03-10 11:12 < NotACow> Paine: any more stupid ideas for us to abuse you over, or are you done?
2008-03-10 11:13 < Demi> in the Libertarian Bible, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, one of the characters says (I paraphrase) "When people make rule, is always for *other* fellow, never self." When Libertarians talk about freedoms, is always for *self*, never other fellow.
2008-03-10 11:13 < Paine> I love how you put words in my mouth, notacow
2008-03-10 11:13 < Paine> never once did I say people should be irresponsible.
2008-03-10 11:13 < NotACow> Demi: reference the C&H comic zocky mentioned earlier :)
2008-03-10 11:13 < Aqwis> what sorts of responsibilities do you suggest wikipedia and wikipedians should have, NotACow?
2008-03-10 11:13 < Paine> Aqwis: aside from avoiding offending people for the sake of offending people rather than as an accidental byproduct
2008-03-10 11:14 < Aqwis> mmm
2008-03-10 11:14 < Demi> NotACow - please don't call names, though
2008-03-10 11:14 < NotACow> Demi: aw, why not? it's fun.
2008-03-10 11:14 < NotACow> Demi: besides, i didn't call him names. i called him an idiot. not the same :)
2008-03-10 11:14 < Demi> NotACow - nevertheless, it invites discourse of the sort "no, *you* are the poopyhead."
2008-03-10 11:14 * NotACow is considering blogging about this, though
2008-03-10 11:15 < NotACow> Demi: i'm fine with that. i've been called far worse than "poopyhead"
2008-03-10 11:16 < NotACow> Demi: and besides, if you avoid being remarkably stupid in my proximity, you have nothing to worry about :)
2008-03-10 11:16 * NotACow tolerates remarkably stupid people rather poorly.
2008-03-10 11:17 < NotACow> Paine: you merely suggested that wikipedians have no obligation to answer for their own words. that amounts to the same thing.
2008-03-10 11:17 < Paine> I suggested nothing of the sort
2008-03-10 11:17 < Paine> What I suggested was that many people get far too riled up for no good reason.
2008-03-10 11:18 < Paine> (pictures of mohammed, anyone?)
2008-03-10 11:18 < Rinn> That statement offends me greatly, Paine!
2008-03-10 11:18 < NotACow> Paine: then again, you are merely reflecting the dominant zeitgeist. i suppose i should not fault you excessively for simply learning the lay of the land.
2008-03-10 11:18 < Demi> "Should his eye color be listed as "genetically brown" or "iris-free and milky white"? Was his trademark VISOR inspired by a hair accessory worn by Gene Roddenberry's wife, or by a girlfriend of ST designer Mike Okuda? Is Geordi more of a Magical Negro than Guinan, Whoopi Goldberg's Next Generation character?"
2008-03-10 11:19 < NotACow> Paine: maybe people shouldn't get so riled up over people getting riled up over wikipedia content. :)
2008-03-10 11:20 < Paine> what are you implying? o.O
2008-03-10 11:20 < Demi> "I took a comparative studies course this past quarter dealing with specifically with Wikipedia, L'Encyclopedie and other knowledge authorities throughout history."
2008-03-10 11:20 < Demi> "comparative studies"? what's that?
2008-03-10 11:20 < NotACow> Paine: that you are extending the conflict instead of mitigating it, by spreading calumny about those who disagree with you? :)
2008-03-10 11:21 < NotACow> Demi: it's when you compare two things in a studious manner.
2008-03-10 11:21 < NotACow> Demi: like apples and kumquats.
2008-03-10 11:21 < Paine> erm, you went on a random rant... not I
2008-03-10 11:21 < NotACow> Paine: that's my job, though.
2008-03-10 11:21 < NotACow> Paine: you're not a designated wikisatan, so you're not allowed.
2008-03-10 11:23 < Demi> you actually did start that hair, Paine
2008-03-10 11:24 < Demi> er "hare"
2008-03-10 11:24 < Demi> jeez
2008-03-10 11:24 < Demi> my spill no better
2008-03-10 11:24 < Demi> NotACow - is that an actual thing? not "comparative blank studies" but just... comparing stuff, in general?
2008-03-10 11:24 < NotACow> Demi: i think i was bullshitting when i wrote that
2008-03-10 11:24 < Demi> oh
2008-03-10 11:24 < NotACow> Demi: i took a class in comparative politics once
2008-03-10 11:25 < NotACow> Demi: we looked at a bunch of different political systems and analyzed them for commonalities and differences.
2008-03-10 11:26 < Demi> right, there are a lot of subjects with an appropriate comparative approach, it just sounds funny to have it naked like that
2008-03-10 11:26 < Demi> it's a little like saying "i took a course in analysis"
2008-03-10 11:26 < NotACow> Demi: i suppose there might be some merit to that as a study of epistemology or something
2008-03-10 11:27 < NotACow> Demi: but i can't see it going much beyond a three-credit course, and really even that is a stretch
2008-03-10 11:28 < Demi> survey: most useful college/university-level course you've taken.
2008-03-10 11:28 < NotACow> HIDE!
2008-03-10 11:28 < NotACow> Demi: hm.
2008-03-10 11:29 < NotACow> Demi: oddly, the class i took on political parties has had a lot of influence on my thinking.
2008-03-10 11:30 < Demi> i hypothesize that "most useful single course" probably wouldn't include courses directly in one's main area of study
2008-03-10 11:30 < NotACow> Demi: actually, i just realized which one it was
2008-03-10 11:30 < NotACow> Demi: "Fundamentals of Legal Writing"
2008-03-10 11:31 < NotACow> Demi: one credit hour class.
2008-03-10 11:31 < Demi> that's good value
2008-03-10 11:31 < NotACow> Demi: on how to do research and writing in a legal context.
2008-03-10 11:33 < Demi> i never had any really good writing classes in college
2008-03-10 11:34 < Demi> in fact (since i recently looked over my classes) i see i failed my adjunct writing class.
2008-03-10 11:35 < NotACow> i just tried to access my alma mater's online info system
2008-03-10 11:35 < NotACow> but apparently i've been gone too long to do that
2008-03-10 11:39 < NotACow> ah, i left more than five yeras ago
2008-03-10 11:39 < NotACow> therefore i no longer have an identity
2008-03-10 11:40 < NotACow> i can create a new one, but i need to know my "University ID Number" to do that
2008-03-10 11:40 < NotACow> when i was a student, we didn't *have* university ID numbers
2008-03-10 11:40 < NotACow> presumably i have one but i have no idea what it is
2008-03-10 11:41 < Sense-Maker2007> but as it seems, NotACow, you know so fare, that you are not a cow ;-)
2008-03-10 11:41 < The359> my school apparently just shut down my access to their email system
2008-03-10 11:41 < The359> I graduated in May
2008-03-10 11:41 < Sense-Maker2007> These are the signals of "aging", the3
2008-03-10 11:41 < The359> not that I was using it much anymore
2008-03-10 11:41 < The359> turning 25 is a signal of "aging"
2008-03-10 11:41 < NotACow> The359: my email accounts there disapepared a LONG time ago :)
2008-03-10 11:41 < Sense-Maker2007> shure
2008-03-10 11:41 < The359> Fucking quarter century bullshit
2008-03-10 11:42 < The359> I found out because I forgot my password for Amazon
2008-03-10 11:42 < Sense-Maker2007> tsss..... I think here in the IRC is same rule of "netiquette".
2008-03-10 11:42 < The359> and the email used to send me the password is my school account
2008-03-10 11:42 < Sense-Maker2007> ... as at WP.
2008-03-10 11:42 < Demi> NotACow - make sure to let them know that when they call you up for money
2008-03-10 11:43 < NotACow> Demi: they don't bother me often for money
2008-03-10 11:43 < NotACow> Demi: in part because i don't generally let them know where i live :)
2008-03-10 11:43 < Sense-Maker2007> less the frequence of bothering than the quantity of amount they demand...
2008-03-10 11:43 < Demi> oh, i never tell them where i live, they track me down
2008-03-10 11:43 < NotACow> Demi: although i do get the annual trustee election ballots
2008-03-10 11:43 < Sense-Maker2007> NaC lives under the bridge I suppose.
2008-03-10 11:44 < Demi> the first people to find me after i move is always the alumni people
2008-03-10 11:44 < Sense-Maker2007> what stupid talk, sorry. I just come from Wikimania2008 ICR meeting. The result was "0", so a little frustration...
2008-03-10 11:44 < NotACow> ICR?
2008-03-10 11:44 < Sense-Maker2007> IRC
2008-03-10 11:44 < NotACow> ah
2008-03-10 11:45 < NotACow> you expected that to be meaningful?
2008-03-10 11:45 < Sense-Maker2007> #wikimania2008
2008-03-10 11:45 < Demi> are they going ahead with that?
2008-03-10 11:45 < NotACow> all decisions regarding wikimania are made by a small handful of people
2008-03-10 11:45 < NotACow> the community has no role in the process
2008-03-10 11:45 < NotACow> why would they?
2008-03-10 11:45 < Sense-Maker2007> no, aging means to become a little bit whiseful. I never expect anything...
2008-03-10 11:45 < NotACow> it's just a party for the inner elite anyway
2008-03-10 11:45 < Sense-Maker2007> #wikimania2008 is not community, it's organisation team...
2008-03-10 11:45 < NotACow> Demi: i'm hoping that jimmy is arrested for treason against the prophet or something
2008-03-10 11:46 < Sense-Maker2007> Elite ?? - Where to find at WP ??
2008-03-10 11:46 < NotACow> Sense-Maker2007: yes, but not the real organizers, they're just the people who are led to believe that they're organizing.
2008-03-10 11:46 < Sense-Maker2007> you might be right... and it seems NaC, you are the real insider of WP, hm ??
2008-03-10 11:46 * NotACow is not an insider at all.
2008-03-10 11:47 * NotACow just has spies everywhere
2008-03-10 11:47 < Sense-Maker2007> so, you are the supervisor of insiders....
2008-03-10 11:47 < Aqwis> she used to be an insider.
2008-03-10 11:47 < NotACow> i was kicked out of the wikicult
2008-03-10 11:48 < kenlyric> banished
2008-03-10 11:48 < Sense-Maker2007> she ?? - Ah... understand... (thought "not cow" means "not female")
2008-03-10 11:48 < kenlyric> when a cult kicks you out, it's called "banished"
2008-03-10 11:48 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-10 11:48 < Aqwis> i think notacow means not a cow
2008-03-10 11:48 < Demi> NotACow - i remember with the controversy about the site selection there was a lot of "well, just don't go on the internet looking for sex at the conference." i wonder if those statements take on a different complexion now.
2008-03-10 11:48 < Aqwis> ;|
2008-03-10 11:48 < Sense-Maker2007> It's your name, NaC... such a name brings it with it to be banned...
2008-03-10 11:48 < NotACow> Sense-Maker2007: i don't follow that logic.
2008-03-10 11:49 < Aqwis> i hope jimbo does that, Demi
2008-03-10 11:49 < Aqwis> perhaps visits one of his own early sites
2008-03-10 11:49 < Sense-Maker2007> Demi: actually they are talking about "being gay" (or not) as a risk for the Wikimania2008....
2008-03-10 11:49 < NotACow> Demi: i'm sure jimmy will bring with him someone to have sex with :)
2008-03-10 11:49 < Demi> Sense-Maker2007 - i know what they were talking about.
2008-03-10 11:49 < Demi> "it's fine to be gay at the conference, just don't share a room."
2008-03-10 11:49 < NotACow> Demi: ugh!
2008-03-10 11:49 < Sense-Maker2007> Oh, Demi. Another insider. Is this the WP insider corner ??
2008-03-10 11:49 < Demi> to which i replay, "Fuck you, Egypt."
2008-03-10 11:49 < NotACow> Demi: actually, you'd think they've be fine with that.
2008-03-10 11:50 < Demi> Sense-Maker2007 - insiders? where?! get 'em!
2008-03-10 11:50 < NotACow> Demi: the US recommends that women travelling to egypt travel with their husbands, and that men wear their wedding bands visibly at all times.
2008-03-10 11:51 < Demi> NotACow - nobody could really say. "It's *probably* fine, they *usually* don't bother tourists." Almost every reassurance ended with some statement like "Just don't do X". Where X was "share a bed", "leave the area of the conference", "look for sex on an internet dating site" or something like that.
2008-03-10 11:51 < Sense-Maker2007> O.K., Folks, thought here to find a minimum level of talk. That's not that what I was looking for. Seems you have a lot of frustration... sorry, ashaming the WP project is not my target.
2008-03-10 11:51 < NotACow> Demi: yeh.
2008-03-10 11:51 < The359> Who would be looking for a sex partner in Egypt anyway?
2008-03-10 11:51 < NotACow> Sense-Maker2007: yes, there's a lot of frustration with wikipedia and wikimedia. both organizations are incompetently operated.
2008-03-10 11:51 < The359> Most of their men are fugly
2008-03-10 11:51 < NotACow> The359: heh
2008-03-10 11:52 < NotACow> Demi: "Drink"
2008-03-10 11:52 < Demi> NotACow - yes, although conversely there is a lot of opportunities for tourists to drink, at least that's my understanding.
2008-03-10 11:52 < NotACow> Demi: whereas in boston we could wander about pretty much willy-nilly, have sex with whomever we wanted, and get drunk utnil small hours of the mrning.
2008-03-10 11:52 < Demi> (and in fact there seems to be a lot of drinking in "dry" muslim countries anyway)
2008-03-10 11:53 < NotACow> Demi: if i'm going to go somewhere on vacation, it's going to damn well be somewhere where i do not risk being beaten up for sharing a drink with danny, or with my girlfriend.
2008-03-10 11:53 < NotACow> Demi: from what i'm hearing, egypt is not such a place.
2008-03-10 11:53 < The359> so, not America?
2008-03-10 11:53 < NotACow> The359: hasn't happened yet. and danny and i shared quite a few drinks in cambridge.
2008-03-10 11:54 < Demi> america is a big place, and contains multitudes
2008-03-10 11:56 < The359> hmmm
2008-03-10 11:57 < The359> apparently the Vatican has come up with some more sins
2008-03-10 11:57 < Demi> awesome
2008-03-10 11:57 < The359> 1. ``Bioethical' violations such as birth control
2008-03-10 11:57 < Demi> you have to use the latest version
2008-03-10 11:57 < The359> 2. ``Morally dubious'' experiments such as stem cell research
2008-03-10 11:57 < The359> 3. Drug abuse
2008-03-10 11:57 < The359> 4. Polluting the environment
2008-03-10 11:57 < The359> 5. Contributing to widening divide between rich and poor
2008-03-10 11:58 < The359> 6. Excessive wealth
2008-03-10 11:58 < The359> 7. Creating poverty
2008-03-10 11:58 < The359> aren't 5, 6, and 7...the same?
2008-03-10 11:58 < Demi> not necessarily
2008-03-10 11:58 < E_Wing_> the same alright
2008-03-10 11:58 < E_Wing_> almost
2008-03-10 11:58 < Demi> you can make more poor people without making all of them relatively poorer
2008-03-10 11:59 < neohaven> bioethical...
2008-03-10 11:59 < neohaven> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2008-03-10 11:59 < The359> Asked what he believed were today's "new sins," he told the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano that the greatest danger zone for the modern soul was the largely uncharted world of bioethics.
2008-03-10 11:59 < NotASpider> at least "making cartoons about the virgin mary" is not a sin
2008-03-10 11:59 < neohaven> NotASpider: ...
2008-03-10 12:00 < The359> yet
2008-03-10 12:00 < Demi> it's been a while since the pope issued a fatwa
2008-03-10 12:00 < The359> wasn't the Pope, apparently
2008-03-10 12:00 < The359> The guidance came at the weekend when Archbishop Gianfranco Girotti, the Vatican's number two man in the sometimes murky area of sins and penance, spoke of modern evils.
2008-03-10 12:00 < E_Wing_> Well, centuries ago they say that coffee is a gift from satan ( and probably drinking it is a grave sin)
2008-03-10 12:00 < Demi> ah, sounds like a beta release
2008-03-10 12:01 < neohaven> Demi : I like the analogy
2008-03-10 12:01 < NotASpider> but it's imported from columbia!
2008-03-10 12:01 < neohaven> feature-complete but buggy
2008-03-10 12:01 < neohaven> or...
2008-03-10 12:01 < NotASpider> where it is canned by real catholics!
2008-03-10 12:01 < neohaven> they are still adding features in, so that's alpha release
2008-03-10 12:02 < E_Wing_> Argh, stuck in the translation process
2008-03-10 12:02 < NotASpider> i pity the fool who issues a fatwa against coffee
2008-03-10 12:03 * The359 issues a fatwa against coffee
2008-03-10 12:03 < NotASpider> what's next, cigarettes? jesus...
2008-03-10 12:04 < E_Wing_> BTW, can I translate this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandaigdigang_pagkakapatiran even though I'm not the one who contributed it and I do not havr the original english reference?
2008-03-10 12:04 < The359> why not?
2008-03-10 12:04 < The359> coffee can at least claim to have some nutritional value
2008-03-10 12:04 * NotACow reshuffles her backup system scheduling a bit
2008-03-10 12:05 < E_Wing_> So what can you say guys?
2008-03-10 12:05 < E_Wing_> To translate or not to translate?
2008-03-10 12:05 < E_Wing_> ehehehe
2008-03-10 12:05 < NotASpider> ...and if you look at your starbucks receipt you'd swear it was holy water
2008-03-10 12:06 < mexicanbanana> Is there a Unicode character for the "-||-" glyph used to denote "the same as above", usually seen in tables?
2008-03-10 12:06 < NotASpider> most people use quotation marks
2008-03-10 12:07 < NotASpider> in wikipedia, it would be better to actually duplicate the information, particularly if there is ever a reason to make the table sortable-by-javascript
2008-03-10 12:07 < The359> eah, I've never seen that other glyph
2008-03-10 12:07 < The359> yeah
2008-03-10 12:07 < NotASpider> i've not seen it either
2008-03-10 12:07 < NotACow> JUPLICATE!
2008-03-10 12:08 < NotACow> CHUPRICATE!
2008-03-10 12:09 < NotASpider> ....
2008-03-10 12:11 < E_Wing_> ......................
2008-03-10 12:11 < NotACow> CHUGGAFUG!
2008-03-10 12:12 < NotACow> bugga bugga