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2008-03-09 08:59 < Kamping_Kaiser> i have to take a shovel to the redback on my desk
2008-03-09 09:00 < jeronim> hmm i dont think it jumps
2008-03-09 09:00 < Pineapple_ryan> does it jump into someones mouth? (it is a pastry, after all, right? XD )
2008-03-09 09:01 < Kamping_Kaiser> Pineapple_ryan, :D
2008-03-09 09:02 < Cometstyles> jeronim, it looks like a crab O_O
2008-03-09 09:03 * soufron hello
2008-03-09 09:03 < Kamping_Kaiser> Cometstyles, no joke
2008-03-09 09:03 < Kamping_Kaiser> only 6 eyes
2008-03-09 09:03 < Cometstyles> yup
2008-03-09 09:04 < jeronim> strange
2008-03-09 09:04 < Cometstyles> spiders have 8 :P XD
2008-03-09 09:04 < jeronim> lemme take another look at it..
2008-03-09 09:04 < Cometstyles> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jumping-spider.jpg awww :O
2008-03-09 09:04 < Cometstyles> "what big eyes you have" :P
2008-03-09 09:05 < Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
2008-03-09 09:06 < cat> O_o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Libya_4608_Idehan_Ubari_Dunes_Luca_Galuzzi_2007.jpg Iran Have invisible weapons
2008-03-09 09:07 < Cometstyles> jeronim, its a crab spider.. of some kind
2008-03-09 09:16 < jeronim> oh well, couldn't find any more eyes despite my best efforts: http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/jeronimwp/dsc00882.jpg
2008-03-09 09:18 < Da_Big_Show> http://cgi.4chan.org/gif/src/1205014799951.gif
2008-03-09 09:19 < The359> what was the point of that, Da_Big_Show?
2008-03-09 09:19 < Da_Big_Show> should be obvious
2008-03-09 09:19 < Kamping_Kaiser> it wasnt
2008-03-09 09:20 < Cometstyles> Da_Big_Show, don't link that site pliz |:
2008-03-09 09:20 < The359> Failed attempt at teh funneh?
2008-03-09 09:23 < Thehelpfulone2> what was my quit MSG
2008-03-09 09:23 < Cometstyles> " loser has left" ;)
2008-03-09 09:24 < The359> * Thehelpfulone2 (n=Helper@unaffiliated/thehelpfulone) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
2008-03-09 09:24 < Thehelpfulone2> :O
2008-03-09 09:25 < The359> my thoughts exactly
2008-03-09 09:26 < Starnestommy> numbers are not valid answers for this question
2008-03-09 09:26 < Starnestommy> unless they are non-real
2008-03-09 09:27 < Starnestommy> gah
2008-03-09 09:27 < Starnestommy> wrong channel
2008-03-09 09:27 * Starnestommy puts on his glasses
2008-03-09 09:27 < Thehelpfulone2> anyone want a laugh? - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ALucasbfr&diff=197003047&oldid=196541737 XD
2008-03-09 09:27 < Thehelpfulone2> see users boxes :D
2008-03-09 09:28 < jeronim> ^ turns out it's a white crab spider.. go figure
2008-03-09 09:30 < Pineapple_ryan> Thehelpfulone2: haha
2008-03-09 09:31 < Thehelpfulone2> :D
2008-03-09 09:32 < Pineapple_ryan> gtg
2008-03-09 09:32 < Pineapple_ryan> bye all
2008-03-09 09:37 < Lycurgus> so the issue in the democratic primary right now seems to be whether Obama will descend to the level of the Clintons
2008-03-09 09:38 < Lycurgus> that's the way David Whatsisname and the NYT framed it.
2008-03-09 09:38 < Lycurgus> Brooks
2008-03-09 09:40 < lucasbfr> stupid question, can you mix a GFDL and a cc-by pictures? And what's the resulting license?
2008-03-09 09:40 < lucasbfr> cc-by-sa, actualy
2008-03-09 09:41 < Lycurgus> on one and the same image?
2008-03-09 09:41 < lucasbfr> yeah
2008-03-09 09:42 < Lycurgus> contracts aren't drinks
2008-03-09 09:42 < lucasbfr> I'm starting to guess that's a nice copyvio
2008-03-09 09:42 < lucasbfr> :)
2008-03-09 09:42 < Lycurgus> you can create a new one from two distinct ones
2008-03-09 09:42 * NotACow is so pleased to see that oberweis has lost AGAIN
2008-03-09 09:43 < Lycurgus> but you can't as such "mix" them.
2008-03-09 09:43 < lucasbfr> I meant using both pictures to create a third one
2008-03-09 09:43 < NotACow> lucasbfr: you have to license under the GFDL, which you can't do under cc-by-sa. and vice versa.
2008-03-09 09:43 < Lycurgus> oh, that then is no longer a derivative
2008-03-09 09:43 < NotACow> lucasbfr: basically you can create the image but you cannot distribute it.
2008-03-09 09:43 < Lycurgus> it's your own work
2008-03-09 09:44 < Hildanknight> "Looks like Hurricanehink is doing a good job addressing the issues." --> Is this sentence grammatically correct?
2008-03-09 09:44 < NotACow> Hildanknight: yes
2008-03-09 09:44 < NotACow> Hildanknight: assuming that "hurricanehink" is a personal name.
2008-03-09 09:44 < Lycurgus> assuming two distinct images from different sources
2008-03-09 09:44 < Hildanknight> Good. :)
2008-03-09 09:44 < NotACow> Lycurgus: if you take two images and combine them in some way, the resulting image is a derivative of both.
2008-03-09 09:44 < Hildanknight> Hurricanehink's a Wikipedian, as you probably know.
2008-03-09 09:44 < NotACow> Hildanknight: i did not know that.
2008-03-09 09:45 < Lycurgus> NotACow: i don't think so, not in a legal sense.
2008-03-09 09:45 < NotACow> Lycurgus: you would be mistaken
2008-03-09 09:45 < lucasbfr> Lycurgus: mmm, "f you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under a license identical to this one"
2008-03-09 09:45 < lucasbfr> from cc-by-sa
2008-03-09 09:46 < NotACow> Lycurgus: i think you have a misunderstanding of what "derivative" means, in a copyright sense
2008-03-09 09:46 < Lycurgus> was that obama staffer that called her a monster forced out or completely made the decision on her own?
2008-03-09 09:46 < lucasbfr> ok thank you both, I guess I'm gonna only use one, and try to build from there
2008-03-09 09:48 < Lycurgus> note the obsession with litigousness in this case ...
2008-03-09 09:49 < Lycurgus> nobody even asked how you are combining the images, the more salient aspect of your query.
2008-03-09 09:49 < NotACow> Lycurgus: there's a lot of writing on derivative works as applied to collage. the general tenor is that you need to license *each* work that makes up the collage, or bank on either the "de minimus" excecption or a fair use claim.
2008-03-09 09:50 * Lycurgus favors the Grace Hopper dictum and the Gordian Knot approach.
2008-03-09 09:50 < NotACow> Lycurgus: grace hopper's dictum is risky when $100,000 fines are on the line
2008-03-09 09:50 < NotACow> "Apology accepted. Now pay us."
2008-03-09 09:51 < Lycurgus> yeah, I as an individual can do things enitites like wmf/wp can't.
2008-03-09 09:51 < NotACow> not to mention the right to a share in the profts, even if there are none.
2008-03-09 09:51 < NotACow> suppose you make a work that infringes on someone else's copyright
2008-03-09 09:51 < yao_ziyuan> i'm shocked at wikipedia's specificity
2008-03-09 09:51 < NotACow> you decide to release it under the GFDL
2008-03-09 09:51 < yao_ziyuan> it even documents "libpng"
2008-03-09 09:51 < Lycurgus> SHOCKED!
2008-03-09 09:51 < NotACow> the owner discovers this and litigates
2008-03-09 09:52 < NotACow> you end up with a $100,000 fine plus an order to turn over profits
2008-03-09 09:52 < Aqwis> yao_ziyuan, yes, we should have one article called "The Universe" which describes everything with one sentence
2008-03-09 09:52 < NotACow> which will be imputed
2008-03-09 09:52 < yao_ziyuan> and wikipedia has http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Graphics_libraries
2008-03-09 09:52 < yao_ziyuan> so it is already categorizing software libraries
2008-03-09 09:52 < NotACow> they will argue that you could have sold the work for X, and so should be assumed to have done so even though you did not
2008-03-09 09:52 < Kamping_Kaiser> Aqwis, surely you can sumarise it in 2 characters?
2008-03-09 09:53 < NotACow> so suddenly you're out $100,000 + X, where X is some random number the copyright owner got to pick out of the air
2008-03-09 09:53 < NotACow> and if you don't like it be prepared to spend a half million litigating the issue
2008-03-09 09:53 < yao_ziyuan> can't believe this
2008-03-09 09:54 < NotACow> POOR JIM OBERWEIS
2008-03-09 09:54 < NotACow> CAME IN SECOND AGAIN
2008-03-09 09:54 < NotACow> HAHA
2008-03-09 09:54 < Aqwis> yao_ziyuan, please describe the problem with doing that
2008-03-09 09:54 < yao_ziyuan> no problem
2008-03-09 09:54 < Aqwis> do it in 5 words or less so you're not too specific
2008-03-09 09:54 < NotACow> ANOTHER CRAZY REPUBLICAN LOSER
2008-03-09 09:54 < Lycurgus> right the two characters at the start of my EN user page.
2008-03-09 09:54 < yao_ziyuan> you guys are taking over everything
2008-03-09 09:54 < Lycurgus> get em Kelly
2008-03-09 09:54 < Aqwis> that was six words
2008-03-09 09:54 < Aqwis> sorry
2008-03-09 09:54 < yao_ziyuan> even nuke manufacturing secrets
2008-03-09 09:55 * NotACow takes over yao_ziyuan's bathroom, begins charging $1 for a whizz and $5 for a dump
2008-03-09 09:55 < Aqwis> yes, we should delete every article on graphics libraries so we'll have more room for articles on nukes
2008-03-09 09:55 * yao_ziyuan doesn't use a bathroom
2008-03-09 09:55 < Lycurgus> diapers?
2008-03-09 09:56 < NotACow> ew!
2008-03-09 09:56 < NotACow> he wears a stillsuit.
2008-03-09 09:57 < yao_ziyuan> wow. what can i say.
2008-03-09 09:57 < yao_ziyuan> my dream of "domain wikis" already come true now
2008-03-09 09:59 < Hildanknight> Riana failed RfB because people thought her co-nominating Kelly Martin for adminship shows she is bad at judging consensus.
2008-03-09 10:00 < yao_ziyuan> in the online empire of wikipedia
2008-03-09 10:01 < yao_ziyuan> i think wikipedia will soon document my every dick hair
2008-03-09 10:02 < Aqwis> because graphics libraries have so much in common with them
2008-03-09 10:02 < yao_ziyuan> because every of them is unique and noble and a constituent of Yao the Great
2008-03-09 10:02 < Lycurgus> that bank that sued wikileaks quietly dropped their suit. As much good as it did the injunction was lifted.
2008-03-09 10:13 < yao_ziyuan> i'm so glad to see wikipedia has practically dropped its Nobility criterion.
2008-03-09 10:15 < yao_ziyuan> software libraries are "applied knowledge"
2008-03-09 10:15 < yao_ziyuan> they're not like math theorems
2008-03-09 10:17 < Aqwis> nobility?
2008-03-09 10:18 < yao_ziyuan> i mean, instances usually have a lower nobility than classes
2008-03-09 10:19 < yao_ziyuan> objects usually have a lower nobility than concepts
2008-03-09 10:19 < yao_ziyuan> my dick certainly doesn't deserve an article as much as the concept "dick" does
2008-03-09 10:21 < yao_ziyuan> so if wikipedia not only includes an article for the concept "graphics library" but also has articles for actual instances of graphics library
2008-03-09 10:22 < Aqwis> and you mean both [[War]] and [[World War II]]
2008-03-09 10:22 < Aqwis> wow!
2008-03-09 10:22 < yao_ziyuan> it means wikipedia not only cares about "academic knowledge", but also "industry knowledge"
2008-03-09 10:23 < yao_ziyuan> the academia doesn't think a particular graphics library is a kind of knowledge really
2008-03-09 10:23 < yao_ziyuan> actually, computer science doesn't think particular programming languages are "knowledge"
2008-03-09 10:23 < yao_ziyuan> because you can create as many programming languages as you wish
2008-03-09 10:24 < Taggnostr> hello
2008-03-09 10:24 < yao_ziyuan> academically speaking, none of them is knowledge
2008-03-09 10:24 < yao_ziyuan> but the industry would think they are knowledge
2008-03-09 10:25 < yao_ziyuan> software developers would appreciate that wikipedia indexes such industrial knowledge
2008-03-09 10:25 < Taggnostr> I was trying to add a formula inside <math></math> but it can't see the newline done with \\ and it returns a parse error, do you know what should I use instead?
2008-03-09 10:25 < yao_ziyuan> it can improve developers' efficiency of finding a software library like no time before
2008-03-09 10:28 < Taggnostr> foo \\ bar works in normal latex but returns a parse error with wiki
2008-03-09 10:31 < Taggnostr> this one: Failed to parse (unknown error): foo \\ bar
2008-03-09 10:35 < NotACow> MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2008-03-09 10:36 < Kamping_Kaiser> *fires*
2008-03-09 10:37 * Majorly_away remembers that kind of thing is why he doesn't come in here much
2008-03-09 10:37 < ST47> :)
2008-03-09 10:41 < noclip> what the hell?
2008-03-09 10:41 < noclip> why is some random high school the FA?
2008-03-09 10:41 < Majorly_away> what's wrong with that?
2008-03-09 10:41 < Mark_Ryan> noclip, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel. get out there and write more interesting FAs.
2008-03-09 10:42 < Majorly_away> why was some random empire the FA yesterday
2008-03-09 10:42 < Mark_Ryan> I hear Raul654 is going to start "Today's Featured Stub" in the coming months instead of featured articles, once we run out
2008-03-09 10:42 < noclip> Mark_Ryan: i did, nitpicking at FPC drove me away
2008-03-09 10:43 < Majorly_away> lol... and here's you nitpicking at a perfectly good article
2008-03-09 10:43 < noclip> what does that tell you?
2008-03-09 10:43 < noclip> FPC has corrupted me
2008-03-09 10:43 * Mark_Ryan strongly questions whether any High School article can ever be a "perfectly good article", at the most fundamental level
2008-03-09 10:43 < Majorly_away> and why is that?
2008-03-09 10:44 < Mark_Ryan> no, that's the extent of it
2008-03-09 10:44 < chaimj> anyone know where to download old xml dumps ?
2008-03-09 10:44 < Mark_Ryan> I merely strongly question it; i don't posit any reason for my questioning
2008-03-09 10:44 < Mark_Ryan> chaimj, do we even do xml dumps?
2008-03-09 10:44 < noclip> if we need some FPs, why not start by bringing up all the WP:VITAL articles to FP quality?
2008-03-09 10:45 < Mark_Ryan> do you mean FAs?
2008-03-09 10:45 < chaimj> Mark_Ryan: yes, at least in the past
2008-03-09 10:46 < Mark_Ryan> I'm not sure if you can get the data anywhere but http://download.wikimedia.org/
2008-03-09 10:46 * Majorly_away hates this channel. Bye
2008-03-09 10:46 < Leslie_S> i went clubbing last night. they didnt serve margaritas. what the hell kind of bar doesnt have margaritas?
2008-03-09 10:46 < Leslie_S> I'm just hoping that they were out of stock of tequila or something ....
2008-03-09 10:46 < chaimj> thats what I thought
2008-03-09 10:46 < Kamping_Kaiser> whats a margarita?
2008-03-09 10:46 * Kamping_Kaiser should probablyu look it up
2008-03-09 10:47 < Mark_Ryan> tequila + olive?
2008-03-09 10:47 < Mark_Ryan> no, what is it...
2008-03-09 10:47 * Kamping_Kaiser wonders why you'd drink that
2008-03-09 10:47 * Mark_Ryan knows this, had to make one in KoL today
2008-03-09 10:48 < Lycurgus> salt and lime?
2008-03-09 10:48 < Lycurgus> and the poltergeist worm
2008-03-09 10:49 < Mark_Ryan> tequila and lemon
2008-03-09 10:49 * Mark_Ryan shrugs
2008-03-09 10:49 < Da_Big_Show> http://cgi.4chan.org/gif/src/1205014799951.gif
2008-03-09 10:49 < Leslie_S> and they didnt seem to be mixing their drinks well. i drank an amaretto sour, and at one point i slurped up pure amaretto, and at one point i slurped up ...pure 7up.
2008-03-09 10:49 < Sfan00> Hello
2008-03-09 10:49 < noclip> wow, you weren't kidding when you said we were short on FAs
2008-03-09 10:49 < noclip> [[ESRB re-rating of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion]] was on the front page a few days ago
2008-03-09 10:49 < Sfan00> Need help on a question
2008-03-09 10:50 < Sfan00> (And legal disclaimer is noted owing to it's nature)
2008-03-09 10:51 < Mark_Ryan> "Featured list: List of English words containing Q not followed by U"
2008-03-09 10:51 < Sfan00> When does e-mail spam become harrasment?
2008-03-09 10:53 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 ..........
2008-03-09 10:53 < Leslie_S> Mark_Ryan margaritas are...damn good.
2008-03-09 10:53 < Leslie_S> Mark_Ryan martinis have the olive.
2008-03-09 10:54 < Leslie_S> margaritas have salt on the rim.
2008-03-09 10:54 < Leslie_S> but supposedly the salt is just to cover up the taste of a bad margarita.
2008-03-09 10:55 < Pilotguy> DEATH TO DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME
2008-03-09 10:55 < Ryan_wp> Good (almost) afternoon.
2008-03-09 10:56 * Ryan_wp intended to wake up at 7:30 this morning. Instead he woke up at 8:30.
2008-03-09 10:56 < noclip> it's called daylight savinG time
2008-03-09 10:56 < noclip> and yes, it sucks
2008-03-09 10:57 < Pilotguy> How am I supposed to make it to my 9:00 class tomorrow morning... :'(
2008-03-09 10:57 < noclip> time machine
2008-03-09 10:57 < Ryan_wp> 2 words: Alarm Clock
2008-03-09 10:57 < Ryan_wp> ;)
2008-03-09 10:57 < Pilotguy> :(
2008-03-09 10:57 < autocracy> ah, damn, i forgot about that daylight savings thing
2008-03-09 10:57 < autocracy> no wonder i slept so late
2008-03-09 10:58 < Pilotguy> ./time
2008-03-09 10:58 < noclip> wow, that would be a nice april 1st article
2008-03-09 10:58 < noclip> [[Practical uses for time machines]]
2008-03-09 10:58 < Ryan_wp> Hehe, yeah :)
2008-03-09 10:59 < Sfan00> noclip : ROFL
2008-03-09 10:59 < Leslie_S> i wonder why the recipe for amaretto sour on wikipedia is so different from the one i was told
2008-03-09 10:59 < Sfan00> Wikipedia isn't always accurate
2008-03-09 11:00 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 uh, not all bartenders use the same recipes.
2008-03-09 11:00 < Leslie_S> anyway, the one from the bowling alley had 7up in it
2008-03-09 11:00 < Leslie_S> a LOT. like...half 7up.
2008-03-09 11:00 < Leslie_S> maybe 1/4
2008-03-09 11:01 < Leslie_S> there was 7up in the one i had last night, but ...not much.
2008-03-09 11:01 < Leslie_S> and ..it was damn good.
2008-03-09 11:02 < NotACow> chugga chugga poo pooooooo!
2008-03-09 11:03 < NotACow> Leslie_S: amaretto sour is one of those drinks that is made about a hundred different ways
2008-03-09 11:03 < Sfan00> Like a Martini?
2008-03-09 11:03 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-03-09 11:03 * Sfan00 ducks
2008-03-09 11:03 < NotACow> Leslie_S: not quite as bad as long island iced tea
2008-03-09 11:03 < NotACow> Sfan00: don't get me started on martinis
2008-03-09 11:03 < Sfan00> IWhy do you get hangovers? <rimshot>
2008-03-09 11:04 < NotACow> Sfan00: i don't get hangovers
2008-03-09 11:04 < NotACow> the one time i had a hangover was the night i had three pinesols
2008-03-09 11:04 < Sfan00> What the **** is a pinesol?
2008-03-09 11:04 < Leslie_S> NotACow so i noticed.
2008-03-09 11:04 < NotACow> Sfan00: half gin, half yukon jack
2008-03-09 11:04 < Leslie_S> NotACow the one i had was one of the better ones ive had.
2008-03-09 11:04 < Leslie_S> (last night)
2008-03-09 11:04 < NotACow> yukon jack is like instant hangover substance
2008-03-09 11:05 < Leslie_S> NotACow oh, i took a few sips of a long island iced tea too. tasted...good. surprised me, since i dont like tea.
2008-03-09 11:05 < NotACow> Leslie_S: long island iced tea contains no tea
2008-03-09 11:05 < Leslie_S> NotACow so i noticed. but there must be a reason its called that.
2008-03-09 11:05 < NotACow> Leslie_S: it's a mix typically of three to five spirits colored with cola.
2008-03-09 11:05 < NotACow> Leslie_S: it's called that because it looks like tea.
2008-03-09 11:05 < Leslie_S> heh
2008-03-09 11:05 < NotACow> Leslie_S: otherwise it has no resemblance.
2008-03-09 11:06 < NotACow> they're typically a bad deal
2008-03-09 11:06 < Leslie_S> NotACow this place i went to last night seemed to be having issues mixing their drinks.
2008-03-09 11:06 < Leslie_S> NotACow bad deal?
2008-03-09 11:06 < NotACow> since they almost always made with well liquor and are overpriced.
2008-03-09 11:06 < Leslie_S> NotACow this one was $8.
2008-03-09 11:06 < NotACow> Leslie_S: yeah, that's a ripoff.
2008-03-09 11:06 < Leslie_S> my friend that i went with drnak ...three of them. and two beers.
2008-03-09 11:07 < Leslie_S> she frontloaded one of the beers, lol
2008-03-09 11:07 < eptalon> Leslie_S: 8$ for what?
2008-03-09 11:07 < Leslie_S> eptalon long island iced tea
2008-03-09 11:07 < NotACow> Leslie_S: if i'm going to pay $8 for a drink i want it to be at least a call brand, if not a premium
2008-03-09 11:07 < eptalon> Leslie_S: I hope you get quite a bit long island for that.
2008-03-09 11:08 < Leslie_S> NotACow call brand? well liquour?
2008-03-09 11:08 < NotACow> especially as a LIIT is mostly water
2008-03-09 11:08 < Leslie_S> NotACow apparently my amaretto sours were $7. but i wasnt paying for them.
2008-03-09 11:08 < Leslie_S> which...is a ripoff too.
2008-03-09 11:08 < Leslie_S> infact, i usually pay $4 for them, and i consider that a ripoff
2008-03-09 11:08 < Sfan00> Leslie_S: Just be glad you don't buy drinks in Clubs in London :O
2008-03-09 11:09 * Ryan_wp is getting his steamroller ([[wikipedia:huggle]]). Vandals here I come! :D
2008-03-09 11:09 < eptalon> Most drinks in bars are rippoffs; mostly the "spirited" alcohol ones
2008-03-09 11:09 < NotACow> Leslie_S: "well liquor" refers to the cheap brands that bars keep in "the well"
2008-03-09 11:09 < eptalon> Is it possible that hotcat no longer works on simpleß
2008-03-09 11:09 < NotACow> Leslie_S: unless you ask for a specific brand to be used making your drink, it will be made with well liquor
2008-03-09 11:10 < NotACow> Leslie_S: brands that you have to ask for are called "call brands" or "back bar drinks" (because call brands are generally displayed on the back bar)
2008-03-09 11:10 < eptalon> NotACow: You mean that transparent stuff tasting like water?
2008-03-09 11:10 < NotACow> eptalon: yeah. stuff like wolfschmitz vodka, which is suitable for cleaning glassware, but little more.
2008-03-09 11:11 < eptalon> NotACow: few bottles behind the bar say "generic vodka", or "generic gin"..
2008-03-09 11:11 < Leslie_S> lols
2008-03-09 11:11 < Leslie_S> GENERIC VODKA
2008-03-09 11:11 < NotACow> eptalon: they won't say generic vodka, typically, but it'll be a brand that nobody is going to ask for
2008-03-09 11:11 < NotACow> so whenever i order a drink at a bar it'll be preceded by "what bourbons do you have?"
2008-03-09 11:11 < eptalon> NotACow: There are exceptions though...
2008-03-09 11:11 < Leslie_S> it would be funny if it said generic vodka
2008-03-09 11:12 < eptalon> Leslie_S: Ever heard of RussianStandard?
2008-03-09 11:12 < NotACow> unless i'm lazy, in which case it's "Maker's Mark Manhattan, straight up"
2008-03-09 11:12 < Leslie_S> sigh. i wish i had a job where i wasnt getting paid for screwing america.
2008-03-09 11:12 < Leslie_S> eptalon no.
2008-03-09 11:12 < NotACow> maker's mark is not my favorite bourbon, not by a longshot, but it's a fair sight better than Jim Beam, which is one of the most common well bourbons out there, and most bars have Maker's Mark
2008-03-09 11:13 < Leslie_S> i get paid for screwing every single american in america.
2008-03-09 11:13 < Leslie_S> and for sending their jobs to china
2008-03-09 11:13 < Leslie_S> and lowering their wages
2008-03-09 11:13 < Leslie_S> ;/
2008-03-09 11:13 < quanticle> Leslie_S: In other words, you work at Wal-Mart. What else is new?
2008-03-09 11:13 < eptalon> Leslie_S: A russian businessman came up with an idea; he called the brand "Russian Standard" (Ruski standard); Makes vodka and banking
2008-03-09 11:13 < NotACow> sometimes, if i think they might have pineapple juice, i'll order an algonquin, but that depends on being willing to explain to the barkeep how to make o ne
2008-03-09 11:13 < Leslie_S> NotACow heh, james bond.
2008-03-09 11:14 < NotACow> Leslie_S: i'm a picky drinker.
2008-03-09 11:14 < Jetro> James Bond?
2008-03-09 11:14 < Leslie_S> eptalon a vodka bank?
2008-03-09 11:14 < NotACow> Jetro: bond has a signature drink.
2008-03-09 11:14 < Leslie_S> Jetro shaken, not stirred/
2008-03-09 11:14 < NotACow> Jetro: the Vesper.
2008-03-09 11:14 < Jetro> Jesh.
2008-03-09 11:14 < Jetro> Quite indeed.
2008-03-09 11:14 < NotACow> martinis should be shaken.
2008-03-09 11:14 < Leslie_S> lols
2008-03-09 11:14 < eptalon> Leslie_S: no, an investment bank. see http://www.russianstandard.com/
2008-03-09 11:14 < NotACow> stirring is for losers.
2008-03-09 11:14 < Jetro> Well, the Vesper's not shaken, I think
2008-03-09 11:14 < NotACow> Jetro: it's definitely shaken.
2008-03-09 11:14 < Jetro> I think it's in the next film he finds out that he wants it shaken.
2008-03-09 11:14 < Jetro> Oh that's right
2008-03-09 11:15 < Leslie_S> NotACow doesnt shaking make it weaker though?
2008-03-09 11:15 < Jetro> He asks for it to be shaken, right.
2008-03-09 11:15 < eptalon> Leslie_S: Drinkable vodka; at least in russia at a decent price (Of about 3 USD a bottle)
2008-03-09 11:15 < NotACow> Leslie_S: slightly, because it melts some of the ice in the shaker.
2008-03-09 11:15 < NotACow> Leslie_S: however, if you've properly kept your gin in the freezer like you're supposed to, not much
2008-03-09 11:15 < quanticle> eptalon: Lots of good liquor is available in Europe for less than in the US.
2008-03-09 11:15 < Leslie_S> NotACow lol
2008-03-09 11:15 < NotACow> gin, vodka, and jaegermeister (bleah) should be kept in the freezer.
2008-03-09 11:16 < NotACow> although why anyone drinks jaeger is beyond me
2008-03-09 11:16 < Leslie_S> why?
2008-03-09 11:16 < NotACow> Leslie_S: because it makes them colder, which makes the drink colder.
2008-03-09 11:16 < eptalon> quanticle: yes; I just quoted the russian price; because in russia you also get cheaper vodkas. The less you pay, the more it might be unhealthy.
2008-03-09 11:16 < NotACow> Leslie_S: they won't actually freeze
2008-03-09 11:16 < Leslie_S> NotACow oh, and walmart tried to pull one over on me.
2008-03-09 11:16 < Leslie_S> they scheduled me for a 1 day week next week.
2008-03-09 11:16 < NotACow> never buy bourbon from an aussie
2008-03-09 11:16 < Leslie_S> anyway, if they dont change my schedule, i decided that im going to call off on that day.
2008-03-09 11:17 < Leslie_S> and screw them a little.
2008-03-09 11:17 < Messedrocker> screw your bosses on the side!
2008-03-09 11:18 < quanticle> eptalon: Heh. You mean, the more likely it is to be antifreeze.
2008-03-09 11:18 < eptalon> quanticle: which may be unhealthy.
2008-03-09 11:18 < NotACow> i found a polish vodka that i like
2008-03-09 11:18 < Dewer> û
2008-03-09 11:18 < NotACow> i believe its name is "POLISH VODKA"
2008-03-09 11:18 < quanticle> eptalon: Just a little.
2008-03-09 11:18 < Leslie_S> NotACow rofl
2008-03-09 11:19 < Leslie_S> ayway, im gonna run off to work
2008-03-09 11:19 < Leslie_S> bye
2008-03-09 11:19 < quanticle> Bye Leslie_S
2008-03-09 11:19 < faroframkallande> good pie
2008-03-09 11:19 < Dewer> ïî-ðóññêè êòî-íòü øïðåéõàåò?
2008-03-09 11:19 < NotACow> actually "POLSKA VODKA"
2008-03-09 11:19 < quanticle> NotACow: Is that really its name?
2008-03-09 11:19 < eptalon> NotACow: IIRC Voka is originally polish or russian. They still quarrel over that.
2008-03-09 11:19 < Leslie_S> NotACow oh...im really annoyed about my job situation.
2008-03-09 11:19 < NotACow> quanticle: actially Polska Vodka Extra
2008-03-09 11:19 < quanticle> Extra Polish Vodka?
2008-03-09 11:19 < Messedrocker> x
2008-03-09 11:19 < NotACow> quanticle: no, Polish Vodka Extra
2008-03-09 11:19 < Leslie_S> NotACow im really starting to HATE walmart, but i decided i want to go full time when i get a new job. gonna be a few more months. :(
2008-03-09 11:20 < eptalon> NotACow: Extra plus ultra gold deluxe? ;)
2008-03-09 11:20 < quanticle> NotACow: That makes even less sense.
2008-03-09 11:20 < NotACow> quanticle: i don't care if it makes sense. it's a good vodka.
2008-03-09 11:20 < eptalon> NotACow: Molasses or grain?
2008-03-09 11:20 < Leslie_S> bye
2008-03-09 11:20 < NotACow> eptalon: rye grain
2008-03-09 11:21 < eptalon> NotACow: You say its drinkable?
2008-03-09 11:21 < NotACow> eptalon: i haven't tried drinking it straight, but it has an appropriately neutral flavor
2008-03-09 11:21 * eptalon can't stand that English brand that is everywhere.
2008-03-09 11:21 < NotACow> eptalon: i don't drink vodka straight, only use it as a mixer
2008-03-09 11:21 < eptalon> NotACow: Like most spirits at 40% vol
2008-03-09 11:22 < NotACow> eptalon: hm, no, the other spirits i drink have decided flavor.
2008-03-09 11:22 < NotACow> eptalon: and they're all 40% or higher
2008-03-09 11:22 < NotACow> i cut cassis with vodka sometimes
2008-03-09 11:22 < NotACow> and of course, i use vodka to make vodka sauce
2008-03-09 11:23 < shimgray> you take cassis with white wine, surely?
2008-03-09 11:23 < NotACow> eptalon: there's a few english vodkas, but i don't see the point in paying so much extra for them
2008-03-09 11:23 < NotACow> shimgray: that makes it weaker :)
2008-03-09 11:23 < shimgray> (he said with a vague recollection)
2008-03-09 11:23 < quanticle> NotACow: Vodka sauce? What do you use it for?
2008-03-09 11:23 < NotACow> quanticle: pasta!
2008-03-09 11:23 < eptalon> Most of the time I just add lemon or orange juice, and if I am in the mood ice cubes.
2008-03-09 11:23 < quanticle> NotACow: I'm intrigued. Got a recipe?
2008-03-09 11:23 < NotACow> quanticle: shrimp with vodka sauce, over angel hair or something
2008-03-09 11:24 < NotACow> quanticle: hm, somewhere maybe
2008-03-09 11:24 < NotACow> quanticle: just google "vodka sauce", you'll find recipes.
2008-03-09 11:24 < NotACow> quanticle: basically you add vodka to tomato sauce, and cook until the vodka is all gone.
2008-03-09 11:24 < eptalon> NotACow: the brand thats everywhere here is Smirnoff; Otherwise you see Absolut (Which is Finnish I think) alot.
2008-03-09 11:25 < NotACow> eptalon: smirnoff is russian
2008-03-09 11:25 < eptalon> NotACow: No.
2008-03-09 11:26 < quanticle> eptalon: Well, that's the decent stuff. You also see stuff like Karkoff and Phillips...
2008-03-09 11:26 < shimgray> NotACow: got bought out by... those people who own Guinness, I forget the name
2008-03-09 11:26 < NotACow> shimgray: ah.
2008-03-09 11:26 < shimgray> one of those silly modern meaningless corporate names
2008-03-09 11:26 < shimgray> [checks] Diageo
2008-03-09 11:26 < Scientus> why are all book people such vodka/hard alohol junkies???
2008-03-09 11:27 < NotACow> shimgray: it's like irish whiskeys, most of which are made by companies with no real connection to ireland
2008-03-09 11:27 < shimgray> that's okay, they have no real connection to whisky either :-)
2008-03-09 11:27 < NotACow> shimgray: haha.
2008-03-09 11:27 < NotACow> shimgray: you scotch whisky lover are all the same )
2008-03-09 11:28 < NotACow> i was going to have an irish monk yesterday but we are out of frangelico.
2008-03-09 11:28 < eptalon> NotACow: Smirnoff is owned by Diageo (Gordon's gin, Bailey's,..).
2008-03-09 11:28 < NotACow> eptalon: i don't like smirnoff anyway.
2008-03-09 11:28 < Scientus> am i just being loked on as a trool :(
2008-03-09 11:28 < quanticle> What company owns Jameson?
2008-03-09 11:29 < NotACow> and gordon's is nasty.
2008-03-09 11:29 < shimgray> Scientus: Spirits require less getting up to fetch new bottles, so fit better with reading. HTH.
2008-03-09 11:29 < shimgray> most gin is pretty nasty, surely?
2008-03-09 11:29 < NotACow> gordon's vodka is almost as bad as wolfschmitz's, and their gin is barely drinkable.
2008-03-09 11:29 < NotACow> shimgray: i admit to a fondness for beefeater
2008-03-09 11:29 < NotACow> shimgray: although tanqueray is also acceptable.
2008-03-09 11:30 < shimgray> (I was at a party the other night where someone had amended the bottles to read MUMBAI SAPPHIRE. Ah, simple amusements)
2008-03-09 11:30 < NotACow> i do not like bombay
2008-03-09 11:30 < NotACow> shimgray: haha
2008-03-09 11:30 < eptalon> quanticle: Pernod Ricard
2008-03-09 11:31 < quanticle> shimgray: Heh. That's awesome. Mumbia Sapphire. Doesn't have the same ring to it, does it now?
2008-03-09 11:31 < shimgray> quanticle: you try telling the Hindi-speakers that ;-)
2008-03-09 11:34 < quanticle> shimgray: Heh. What's really ironic about the whole Bombay vs. Mumbai thing is that there was no historic city called Mumbai. The area was a collection of fishing villages until the Portugese arrived and consolidated the villages into a port.
2008-03-09 11:50 * Lycurgus mumbles.
2008-03-09 11:52 < Ashfire908> bye bye services.
2008-03-09 11:57 < mexicanbanana> Where can I find the most complete possible list of all commercial video games ever made?
2008-03-09 11:58 < mexicanbanana> Preferably in a unified format so that it can be read by a machine.
2008-03-09 11:58 < mexicanbanana> I am trying to make a database of it.
2008-03-09 11:58 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-09 11:58 < NotACow> moo moo moo
2008-03-09 11:58 < NotACow> mumu
2008-03-09 11:58 < NotACow> muumuu
2008-03-09 11:58 < Messedrocker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games << this is divided into more lists
2008-03-09 11:58 < Messedrocker> NotACow: free mumia?
2008-03-09 11:59 < mexicanbanana> Messedrocker: No single list?
2008-03-09 12:00 < Messedrocker> a single list would be way too huge
2008-03-09 12:01 < mexicanbanana> :-(
2008-03-09 12:01 < mexicanbanana> Nah...
2008-03-09 12:01 < mexicanbanana> Where did they get these titles from?
2008-03-09 12:01 < mexicanbanana> Somebody sat and wrote that by hand?
2008-03-09 12:01 < mexicanbanana> There must be a database somewhere on the Web.
2008-03-09 12:01 < NotASpy> "it's what we do"...
2008-03-09 12:02 < Pilotguy> {{solookitup}}
2008-03-09 12:02 < Messedrocker> it's what we do
2008-03-09 12:02 < Messedrocker> we edit wikipedia
2008-03-09 12:02 < Messedrocker> now do the electric boogaloo
2008-03-09 12:02 < Messedrocker> DEATH TO BOOGALOOS!
2008-03-09 12:13 < Kingturtle> gmorning
2008-03-09 12:14 < mexicanbanana> Hmmm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_game_lists_by_platform <-- Each article seems to use a different format. :-(
2008-03-09 12:18 < mexicanbanana> Is it possible to get the data in a computer readable format?
2008-03-09 12:22 * Messedrocker drinks a glass of christel
2008-03-09 12:22 < mexicanbanana> Hello?
2008-03-09 12:24 < Messedrocker> mexicanbanana, of course it's possible
2008-03-09 12:25 < Messedrocker> you just have to DIY
2008-03-09 12:26 < Messedrocker> i've taken tables of different formats before
2008-03-09 12:26 < Messedrocker> and it's quite the effort to squeeze them into the same format
2008-03-09 12:29 < gwern> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/01/11/this-is-relevant-to-my-interests/ <-- unfortunately, evertyime I see this I think the caption should've been, 'No Mr. Bond. I expect you to die.'
2008-03-09 12:30 < Messedrocker> HOLY ADVERTISING
2008-03-09 12:30 < Messedrocker> they have more whored out ad space than a race car
2008-03-09 12:30 < ST47> :D
2008-03-09 12:31 < gwern> Messedrocker: and this is why adblock and company are your friends
2008-03-09 12:31 < Messedrocker> nah
2008-03-09 12:31 < Messedrocker> i don't mind advertising
2008-03-09 12:31 < Messedrocker> (ahem, AND I USE SAFARI)
2008-03-09 12:32 < mexicanbanana> People never seem to get tired of posting links to images of cats with stupid captions.
2008-03-09 12:32 < gwern> lol safari
2008-03-09 12:32 < Messedrocker> IM IN UR HARD DRIVE, CORRUPTIN UR SECTORZ
2008-03-09 12:33 < mexicanbanana> Hmmm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_game_lists_by_platform <-- Each article seems to use a different format. :-( Is there a way to get these in a common format?
2008-03-09 12:33 < gwern> mexicanbanana: hard work
2008-03-09 12:33 < mexicanbanana> If I could only be sure that they don't change...
2008-03-09 12:34 < mexicanbanana> I am planning to regularly update my local database by crawling those pages.
2008-03-09 12:34 < mexicanbanana> Like once a month.
2008-03-09 12:34 < gwern> mexicanbanana: what I would do is make new subcategories; ie push #
2008-03-09 12:34 < gwern> # List of PlayStation 2 games, List of PlayStation 2 CD-ROM games etc down into [[Category:Playstation 2games]]
2008-03-09 12:34 < ST47> zomg netsplit
2008-03-09 12:34 < mexicanbanana> Sigh. What is going on here?
2008-03-09 12:35 < gwern> mexicanbanana: I've found that when it comes to wikignoming page names and categories, few people care
2008-03-09 12:35 < mexicanbanana> Wikignoming?
2008-03-09 12:41 < Administrator> hello
2008-03-09 12:42 < LB22> hi
2008-03-09 12:42 < Dakovski> I have a question
2008-03-09 12:42 < LB22> fire away!
2008-03-09 12:42 < Dakovski> I want to upload an image
2008-03-09 12:42 < LB22> yes...go on...
2008-03-09 12:42 < AppleBoy> wweeeeeeeee netsplit
2008-03-09 12:42 < Dakovski> of a weapon that is from the 18th century
2008-03-09 12:42 < LB22> yes......
2008-03-09 12:42 < Dakovski> I don't know what license to select
2008-03-09 12:42 < LB22> i wouldn't know...soz
2008-03-09 12:42 < shimgray> the artefact is, or the image is?
2008-03-09 12:43 < Dakovski> Pistol Sword
2008-03-09 12:43 < Dakovski> it really needs an image
2008-03-09 12:43 < shimgray> right, so you went and took this photo?
2008-03-09 12:43 < Dakovski> few people have seen what is it
2008-03-09 12:43 < LB22> either, I dont upload images cos mine always gets taken off!
2008-03-09 12:43 < LB22> kk, gd idea
2008-03-09 12:43 < ST47> Dakovski: where did you get the image? Did you take it?
2008-03-09 12:43 < Dakovski> no I found it on the web but it seems to be an antique
2008-03-09 12:43 < ST47> Where did you find it?
2008-03-09 12:43 < shimgray> that's irrelevant
2008-03-09 12:44 < shimgray> if someone else took it, they own the rights
2008-03-09 12:44 < shimgray> the age of the physical item is pretty much irrelevant to that fact
2008-03-09 12:44 < LB22> if its off a search engine, you cant use it
2008-03-09 12:44 < shimgray> (the exception is in non-transformative copies of two-dimensional creative works)
2008-03-09 12:44 < ST47> Unless he found it on a CC/GFDL website, or it was released into the PD...
2008-03-09 12:44 < LB22> cos it is their rights
2008-03-09 12:44 < shimgray> (which isn't relevant here)
2008-03-09 12:45 < LB22> oh....:(
2008-03-09 12:45 < Dakovski> it seemed as a website for selling antique weapons
2008-03-09 12:45 < Dakovski> so what do I do
2008-03-09 12:45 < ST47> Can you post a link to where you found it?
2008-03-09 12:45 < Dakovski> the article really needs an image
2008-03-09 12:45 < LB22> dont upload it
2008-03-09 12:45 < shimgray> it's their image, you can't release it under a free license unless they have
2008-03-09 12:45 < Dakovski> sure
2008-03-09 12:45 < LB22> i know
2008-03-09 12:45 < nsh> anyone have ieeexplore access?
2008-03-09 12:46 < shimgray> "the article really needs an image" is not justification. we can go to a museum and take a photograph ourselves
2008-03-09 12:46 < Dakovski> here
2008-03-09 12:46 < Dakovski> http://www.collectorebooks.com/gregg01/Lot-140.htm
2008-03-09 12:46 < ST47> Even if it is copyrighted, you can post it as a non-free image
2008-03-09 12:46 < nsh> yes is it a justification
2008-03-09 12:46 < nsh> ffs
2008-03-09 12:46 < nsh> more usefull vs. less usefull
2008-03-09 12:46 < nsh> it's not rocket-science
2008-03-09 12:46 < ST47> yep, copyrighted.
2008-03-09 12:47 < LB22> :(
2008-03-09 12:47 < Dakovski> so I should not upload it, right
2008-03-09 12:47 < ST47> Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NFURG
2008-03-09 12:47 < ST47> If it meets certain criteria we can use it
2008-03-09 12:47 < shimgray> "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose."
2008-03-09 12:48 < shimgray> *or could be created*
2008-03-09 12:48 < shimgray> is the key clause there
2008-03-09 12:48 < Dakovski> you know I doubt I would ever see such a thing to take photo of it
2008-03-09 12:49 < shimgray> Sure. But someone can. It's not like only one of these exists and it's locked in a vault.
2008-03-09 12:49 < Arwen> wait, it's a GUNSWORD?
2008-03-09 12:49 < Arwen> f***ing awesome
2008-03-09 12:50 < Dakovski> Pistol Sword to be exact
2008-03-09 12:50 < Dakovski> and I have another question
2008-03-09 12:50 < Dakovski> I was going to write a new article
2008-03-09 12:51 < Dakovski> for a type of axe that is used in my country only
2008-03-09 12:51 < shimgray> the basic translation of the rule is "we can use someone else's image and claim fair use only if there is no way that we will ever have a freely-licensed image" - so images of copyrighted works are usually covered, because by definition we can't replace them, but copyrighted images of physical artifacts aren't unless that artifact no longer exists or is otherwise impossivle to photograph
2008-03-09 12:52 < Dakovski> ok then
2008-03-09 12:52 < Dakovski> and about the article
2008-03-09 12:52 < Dakovski> I don't know how to name the type of axe
2008-03-09 12:53 < Dakovski> it is distinctive from other axes
2008-03-09 12:53 < Arwen> but is it *notable*?
2008-03-09 12:53 < Dakovski> and I know it's only used in bulgaria
2008-03-09 12:53 < Arwen> eh, research it and find a proper name?
2008-03-09 12:54 < Dakovski> maybe I should name it as its Bulgarian name but with latin letters
2008-03-09 12:54 < Arwen> sounds good enough
2008-03-09 12:55 < Dakovski> this time I'll take a photo myself and there will be no problems with the image
2008-03-09 12:55 < Arwen> take a *good* photo
2008-03-09 12:56 < Dakovski> I will
2008-03-09 12:56 < Arwen> hehe
2008-03-09 12:56 < Dakovski> my grandfather has many of them so I can take a group shot
2008-03-09 12:57 < Dakovski> also
2008-03-09 12:57 < Dakovski> what about images from ancient manuscripts
2008-03-09 12:57 < Dakovski> i.e.
2008-03-09 12:57 < Dakovski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flamberge.png
2008-03-09 12:58 < Dakovski> if I find one in a book ofmine and scan it
2008-03-09 12:58 < Dakovski> would I be able to upload it
2008-03-09 12:59 < shimgray> if the work is itself out of copyright
2008-03-09 12:59 < shimgray> (out-of-copyright in the US is published pre-1920 or so)
2008-03-09 12:59 < Dakovski> well let say it is an old Japanese painting from 15 century
2008-03-09 13:00 < Dakovski> but I got it from a book
2008-03-09 13:00 < Dakovski> not directly from the picture
2008-03-09 13:01 < Dakovski> I've got to go
2008-03-09 13:01 < Dakovski> goodbye
2008-03-09 13:01 < shimgray> it becomes ambiguous, but you ought to be okay. ish. assuming it's a faithful reproduction each time.
2008-03-09 13:01 < Dakovski> thanks for the info
2008-03-09 13:04 < NotACow> DEATH!
2008-03-09 13:04 < James_F|Busy> Aha.
2008-03-09 13:04 < Messedrocker> FORRESTER!
2008-03-09 13:04 < The359> did you get that arvernes?
2008-03-09 13:04 < James_F|Busy> Welcome back.
2008-03-09 13:05 < arvernes> The359: yeap, thanks
2008-03-09 13:06 < str4nd> We can't troll anymore. :,-(
2008-03-09 13:07 < arvernes> go on go on
2008-03-09 13:11 < Thehelpfulone2> str4nd: :P
2008-03-09 13:12 < arvernes> another question: reading the article on mediawiki about different sidebars for logged in users and anonymous users where exactly do I have to add the check they speak about in the function buildSidebar of the Skin.php file?
2008-03-09 13:15 < rw> ,
2008-03-09 13:22 < MindstormsKid> hey, did i just miss a netsplit?
2008-03-09 13:22 < Lycurgus> looks that way
2008-03-09 13:23 < MindstormsKid> here we go...
2008-03-09 13:24 < Pilotguy> whee
2008-03-09 13:25 < MindstormsKid> funny, it didn't do it here...
2008-03-09 13:25 < MindstormsKid> oh, conference mode is on for me...
2008-03-09 13:27 < MindstormsKid> well, anyway, i need to know the code for the ≈ symbol
2008-03-09 13:28 < arvernes> who could help to get different sidebars ?
2008-03-09 13:29 < MZMcBride> Any cats about?
2008-03-09 13:29 < faroframkallande> meow
2008-03-09 13:29 < MZMcBride> Of the ceiling variety, perhaps?
2008-03-09 13:30 < Messedrocker> MEOW MEOW MEOW MOTHERFUCKER!!
2008-03-09 13:30 * Messedrocker is a black cat
2008-03-09 13:35 < nokmar> my cpu says that I have 1 gb of ram used, but the processes in task manager don't even hit 200 mb
2008-03-09 13:35 < nokmar> is there a way I can check what's using the rest?
2008-03-09 13:36 < Platonides> nokmar, disk cache?
2008-03-09 13:38 < nokmar> ?
2008-03-09 13:38 < nokmar> saying that the disk cache is taking up 800 mb?
2008-03-09 13:39 < Platonides> why not?
2008-03-09 13:39 < Platonides> Linux tries to keep everything cached
2008-03-09 13:41 < nokmar> I'm running Vista, though
2008-03-09 13:46 < Lycurgus> oh
2008-03-09 13:47 < mexicanbanana> Recently I heard news that Gmail's CAPTCHA had been cracked. But there was no word on how exactly this became known, and no follow-up news report about the damages it has caused. Can anyone update me on this?
2008-03-09 13:48 < The359> we're not the news
2008-03-09 13:48 < mexicanbanana> Then who IS?
2008-03-09 13:48 < AzaTht> should I block dumbbot just because it impersonate Microsoft?
2008-03-09 13:48 < The359> #wikinews but they're not exactly a major news source
2008-03-09 13:48 < AzaTht> it couldn't understand that february 29 existed
2008-03-09 13:49 < The359> you'd be better off searching some tech news site
2008-03-09 13:49 < Lycurgus> maybe there's a #gshits
2008-03-09 13:49 < Thehelpfulone2> is there a channel for wikiinterviews or something like that?
2008-03-09 13:49 < The359> Wikinews covers interviews
2008-03-09 13:51 < quanticle> Question, given two k-sided dice, what is the probability that one dice rolls higher than the other?
2008-03-09 13:52 < quanticle> Does anyone have any idea as to how to start this problem?
2008-03-09 13:52 < nokmar> uh