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2008-03-08 19:20 < Kamping_Kaiser> Ryan_wp, you just missed out
2008-03-08 19:21 * Kamping_Kaiser goes to check what the top temp is meant to be today
2008-03-08 19:21 < Kamping_Kaiser> 40C :|
2008-03-08 19:22 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: only meant to be 35C here
2008-03-08 19:22 < pengo> "only"
2008-03-08 19:22 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: so you in adelaide then?
2008-03-08 19:22 * Ryan_wp will be right back.
2008-03-08 19:23 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, adelaide hills, so hopfully i'll only get to 37C~
2008-03-08 19:23 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, i take it your in melb?
2008-03-08 19:23 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: yup
2008-03-08 19:24 * Ryan_wp is back.
2008-03-08 19:24 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, did you make LCA?
2008-03-08 19:24 < pengo> should move to brisvagas where it's cooler :)
2008-03-08 19:24 < Kamping_Kaiser> hehehe
2008-03-08 19:24 * Kamping_Kaiser would head south
2008-03-08 19:24 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: not this year.. went the last couple of years
2008-03-08 19:25 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, pity.
2008-03-08 19:25 * Kamping_Kaiser is already planning his trip for next year
2008-03-08 19:25 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: you go/been?
2008-03-08 19:25 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: where's it next year?
2008-03-08 19:25 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, yeah, been 06/07/08
2008-03-08 19:25 < Kamping_Kaiser> tassie
2008-03-08 19:26 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: cool. you ever go to OSDC?
2008-03-08 19:26 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, no i havent. seems a bit comercial for my taste
2008-03-08 19:26 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: nah they're not commercial
2008-03-08 19:27 < Kamping_Kaiser> really? i heard it was
2008-03-08 19:27 * Kamping_Kaiser hm.
2008-03-08 19:27 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: has some sponsorship .. but i dunno how you'd think of it as commercial tho.. it's a developers conference
2008-03-08 19:28 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: main prob i hear is that it's biased to scripting languages (grew out of perl mongers)
2008-03-08 19:28 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: what do you work on?
2008-03-08 19:28 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, interesting. still probably not my thing ('im a sysadmin), but theres one myth gone (about being overly comercial)
2008-03-08 19:29 < Kamping_Kaiser> i'm involved in a few free software projects doing doco/helping out online/other things in my spare time, i work as a sysadmin for a living :)
2008-03-08 19:30 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: ah k cool.. i dont have much linux/software dev involvement right now.. studying renewable energy tech/solar collectors/etc atm
2008-03-08 19:31 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, sounds good. i'm trying to study (cert4 training and assessment), which should take up more time then it does *heh*
2008-03-08 19:31 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: heh i did cert IV once.. is a good course if you do it properly :)
2008-03-08 19:32 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, i started a cert4 in it, and stopped. it was to much rubish to cope with
2008-03-08 19:33 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: ha.. it was the first time i did any study that was taught well..
2008-03-08 19:33 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, perhaps i should go wherever you are *grin* (or not :D)
2008-03-08 19:34 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: as the 'facilitators' have to practice what they preach and "make you learn" properly (not "teach")
2008-03-08 19:34 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: i did it at Randwick TAFE (sydney)
2008-03-08 19:35 < Forint> hi pengo
2008-03-08 19:35 < pengo> Hi Forint. How's currency?
2008-03-08 19:35 < Forint> lol
2008-03-08 19:35 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, ah right.
2008-03-08 19:35 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: night course.. always get an interesting mix at night courses
2008-03-08 19:36 * Ryan_wp is going to do something useful.
2008-03-08 19:36 < Ryaway_wp> Vandals, here I come!
2008-03-08 19:36 < Ryaway_wp> :)
2008-03-08 19:36 < Kamping_Kaiser> pengo, part of my course was night - i was amazed how many people with clue were there to try and get qualified (and getting stuck with our useless lecturor *heh*)
2008-03-08 19:36 < pengo> ah bugger eh
2008-03-08 19:38 < Kamping_Kaiser> yeah.
2008-03-08 19:38 < pengo> Kamping_Kaiser: one of the interesting things i got out of the course is that a good teacher can teach just as well a subject they have no clue about.. cause they draw from what the people in the class already know
2008-03-08 19:39 < Kamping_Kaiser> that may be worth me remembering in the course i'm doing *grin*
2008-03-08 19:40 < pengo> tho teaching to teach, you need to know how to teach to teach it :)
2008-03-08 19:40 < Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
2008-03-08 19:41 < Ryan_wp> I must be a true wikipedian! Reverting vandalism isn't work, it's fun! Muwahaha! :D
2008-03-08 19:41 < Kamping_Kaiser> Ryan_wp, :D do you need more work? :P
2008-03-08 19:42 < pengo> Ryan_wp is weird
2008-03-08 19:43 < Ryan_wp> Kamping_Kaiser: No! I don't need more work. I've got enough (non-wiki work) as it is...
2008-03-08 19:43 < Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
2008-03-08 19:44 < Ryan_wp> I always manage to squeeze in some Wikipedia in though. :)
2008-03-08 19:45 < gwern> you can't hug your children with nuclear arms
2008-03-08 19:45 < Ryan_wp> Like now, for example. I'm reverting vandalism at this very moment. *Muwahahahahaaaaa!*
2008-03-08 19:47 * Kamping_Kaiser watches "flamewar"/argument on a :talk page continue
2008-03-08 19:48 < E_Wing> (Watching Dickdogers49's contributions)
2008-03-08 19:49 < gwern> the revolution will not be telegraphed
2008-03-08 19:50 < E_Wing> Awtz, he's blocked now.
2008-03-08 19:52 * Ryan_wp is tired.
2008-03-08 19:52 < Ryan_wp> Good night all. :)
2008-03-08 19:52 < Kamping_Kaiser> later mate
2008-03-08 19:54 < Doc_glasgow> [[Ubiquitous and Pervasive Computing]] - I know nothing about computing but this smells of trash/spam/essay. Anyone think so?
2008-03-08 19:54 < E_Wing> Good night Ryan_wp
2008-03-08 19:54 < E_Wing> Oyasumi.
2008-03-08 19:55 < E_Wing> Although here is already about 9am already.
2008-03-08 19:55 < Kamping_Kaiser> 9am? bah, get with the times :p
2008-03-08 19:59 < E_Wing> Tsk. Still sleepy
2008-03-08 20:00 < pengo> Doc_glasgow: should be merged with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubiquitous_computing
2008-03-08 20:00 < E_Wing> So, how are things over there at the other side of the world?
2008-03-08 20:02 < Doc_glasgow> pengo: is thereanything worth merging, why not simply redirect
2008-03-08 20:03 < pengo> Doc_glasgow: has some research stuff there worth merging.. e.g. the other article doesn't mention "self-organizing middleware" which sounds like something that should be
2008-03-08 20:03 < Doc_glasgow> ok
2008-03-08 20:04 < Doc_glasgow> I don't even understand the article, so I'll leave it with you
2008-03-08 20:04 < pengo> Doc_glasgow: obviously very biased to one person's research tho
2008-03-08 20:04 < Mike_H> Oh, no.
2008-03-08 20:04 < Mike_H> This is horrible.
2008-03-08 20:04 < Mike_H> omg! is reporting that there's going to be a duet
2008-03-08 20:04 < Mike_H> between Britney
2008-03-08 20:04 < Mike_H> and Heidi Montag
2008-03-08 20:04 < Mike_H> this is horrible
2008-03-08 20:05 < zvook> maybe it's a typo for duel
2008-03-08 20:05 < Mike_H> zvook: Who would you want to win that duel?
2008-03-08 20:05 < zvook> i don't know the montag girl
2008-03-08 20:06 < Mike_H> zvook: She's an absolute skankbag with no talent, who became famous because of that shit-ass turd of a show "The Hills"
2008-03-08 20:06 < pengo> Mike_H: if you don't like it, why don't you do your own duet with britney
2008-03-08 20:06 < Mike_H> :<
2008-03-08 20:07 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> Is Heidi Montag only unbelievably famous in this country?
2008-03-08 20:07 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> Anytime she changes her tampon it's news.
2008-03-08 20:08 < zvook> yeah i suspect it's only there
2008-03-08 20:08 < quanticle> Mike_H: Which country are you talking about? I've never heard of this person.
2008-03-08 20:08 * quanticle is in the USA, in case one was wondering
2008-03-08 20:08 < Mike_H> quanticle: The US, you know where I'm from
2008-03-08 20:08 < Mike_H> She's that blonde skank
2008-03-08 20:08 < Mike_H> from The Hills
2008-03-08 20:08 < Mike_H> who gets on every magazine
2008-03-08 20:08 < Mike_H> every week
2008-03-08 20:09 < quanticle> Mike_H: Which magazines? The ones by the checkout at the supermarket that I habitually ignore?
2008-03-08 20:09 < Mike_H> yeah
2008-03-08 20:09 < Mike_H> those
2008-03-08 20:09 < zvook> i didn't realize anybody from the hills was becoming famous in their own right
2008-03-08 20:09 < Mike_H> God, she is
2008-03-08 20:09 < Mike_H> and basically for being a blonde skank
2008-03-08 20:09 < Mike_H> Hi, Paris!
2008-03-08 20:10 < Mike_H> Hi, Lindsay during her anorexic year!
2008-03-08 20:10 < zvook> i think this is just a further sign of britney's fall from grace
2008-03-08 20:10 < zvook> reduced to the hills collabs
2008-03-08 20:10 < pengo> britney? fall from grace? that's unpossible!
2008-03-08 20:11 * Lubaf is reading something that could adequately be describe by the phrase "Come for the porn, stay for the characterization!"
2008-03-08 20:11 < zvook> not henry miller then
2008-03-08 20:11 < zvook> OH BURN
2008-03-08 20:11 < Lubaf> And then I realize that's a really overused pun.
2008-03-08 20:12 < zvook> the come part? not really
2008-03-08 20:12 < Lubaf> zvook: Hell, there isn't anything in Miller worth reading but the porn, IIRC.
2008-03-08 20:12 < zvook> that was my point exactly :D
2008-03-08 20:13 < Lubaf> zvook: True.
2008-03-08 20:13 < Lubaf> But still, the "Come" pun is horribly overused in the porn context.
2008-03-08 20:13 < Lubaf> Which is what I was trying to get across.
2008-03-08 20:14 < zvook> oh izzit
2008-03-08 20:14 < zvook> i thought it was pretty much a single-entendre
2008-03-08 20:15 < quanticle> pengo: LEAVE BRITANNY ALONE!
2008-03-08 20:15 < zvook> hitler: LEAVE BRITANNY ALONE!
2008-03-08 20:15 < Lubaf> zvook: Nah, I was using it unironicly at first.
2008-03-08 20:15 < Lubaf> Which is why I'm so ashamed now.
2008-03-08 20:16 < pengo> quanticle: that guy should be a peace ambassador
2008-03-08 20:16 < pengo> LEAVE PALESTINE ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-03-08 20:16 < quanticle> Lubaf: Because you realized that your mind is in the gutter?
2008-03-08 20:16 < zvook> i only read wikipedia for the articles
2008-03-08 20:16 < compwhizii> why isn't chanserv
2008-03-08 20:16 < quanticle> zvook: LIES! You read it for the drama just like everyone else.
2008-03-08 20:16 < compwhizii> here
2008-03-08 20:16 < Lubaf> quanticle: No, because I realized it wasn't in the gutter enough to realize the pun was there.
2008-03-08 20:16 < zvook> quanticle: ;)
2008-03-08 20:17 < quanticle> Lubaf: To be fair, the porn version has a different spelling.
2008-03-08 20:17 < Lubaf> I need to watch more bad porn.
2008-03-08 20:17 < zvook> yeah man, i don't think they use it punningly in porn
2008-03-08 20:17 < quanticle> Lubaf: There's good porn?
2008-03-08 20:17 < Lubaf> quanticle: Actually, yes.
2008-03-08 20:17 < quanticle> ORLY?
2008-03-08 20:17 < quanticle> I disbelieve.
2008-03-08 20:17 < Lubaf> It's only marginally porn, admittedly.
2008-03-08 20:18 < quanticle> Lubaf: Example?
2008-03-08 20:18 < Lubaf> quanticle: Well, to pick at random, Lolita.
2008-03-08 20:19 < Lubaf> That was first published by a porn publisher.
2008-03-08 20:19 < Lubaf> In France.
2008-03-08 20:19 < quanticle> Ah true enough.
2008-03-08 20:20 < quanticle> So has anyone else here read a book called "The Stillborn God"?
2008-03-08 20:21 < Lubaf> Anyway, there's good stories with sex in them, so they might be called porn under a broader definitions.
2008-03-08 20:22 < Lubaf> quanticle: Never even heard of it.
2008-03-08 20:22 < quanticle> Its a good, but difficult book.
2008-03-08 20:23 < quanticle> Tyler Cowen recommended it, so that's what piqued my interest.
2008-03-08 20:23 < quanticle> This is the first book that I've seen to use chiaroscuro in a non-artistic sense.
2008-03-08 20:24 < gwern> quanticle: yes, I read The Stillborn God
2008-03-08 20:24 < quanticle> gwern: Is it worth it?
2008-03-08 20:24 < quanticle> The effort, I mean.
2008-03-08 20:24 < gwern> quanticle: depends on who you are
2008-03-08 20:24 < gwern> quanticle: do you know much about christian theology or western philosophy?
2008-03-08 20:25 < quanticle> gwern: I know a bit about both. I probably actually know more western philosophy than Christian theology.
2008-03-08 20:25 < gwern> quanticle: are you the sort of person who reads The Origins of Totalitarianism or Constantine's Sword for pleasure?
2008-03-08 20:25 < gwern> I'd rate Stillborn God as like a mix of the two
2008-03-08 20:26 < quanticle> gwern: The fact that I've never heard of either of those two books is scaring me just a little, to be hones.
2008-03-08 20:26 < quanticle> *honest
2008-03-08 20:27 < gwern> quanticle: I'm sure there are WP articles on them
2008-03-08 20:27 * quanticle adds to my reading list
2008-03-08 20:27 < gwern> quanticle: if you haven't read them or books like them, I think I'd read them before I tackled something like Stillborn God. the latter is pretty highlevel and abstract
2008-03-08 20:28 < quanticle> gwern: Ah. Ok. I picked up Stillborn God because Tyler Cowen said it was pretty interesting in his blog.
2008-03-08 20:28 < quanticle> gwern: And I rather like the way economists think.
2008-03-08 20:28 < gwern> quanticle: Tyler Cowen is unfortunately learned and intelligent, so if he finds something challenging and interesting, the rest of us might have trouble
2008-03-08 20:29 < DannyLilithborne> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Halo_3_New_Convenant_and_Human_Weapons
2008-03-08 20:29 < DannyLilithborne> can someone talk to this guy? i don't think i can be civil with the fucking idiot
2008-03-08 20:31 < quanticle> DannyLilithborne: If I may ask, why are you deleting this article and not merging it into the official Halo 3 article?
2008-03-08 20:32 < quanticle> gwern: That has to be one of the few times one can combine "learned and intelligent" with "unfortunately" :)
2008-03-08 20:33 < DannyLilithborne> cuz it's a game guide masquerading as an article?
2008-03-08 20:33 < DannyLilithborne> as have been many other 'list of weapons' list previously deleted
2008-03-08 20:35 < gwern> quanticle: it's unfortunate not knowing how to scale people's estimates when they do an estimable job of being modest
2008-03-08 20:40 < quanticle> DannyLilithborne: I posted on the AfD page. I stated that it ought to be a part of [[Halo 3]] since it doesn't have enough content to stand on its own. I don't know enough WP policy to come up with a better argument than that.
2008-03-08 20:41 < Gazimoff> I agree with DannyLilithborne here, my main reason being it's game guide material
2008-03-08 20:41 < Messedrocker> Lililililililithborne Identity
2008-03-08 20:42 < quanticle> Gazimoff: I don't know. I suppose it could be, since it does give hints as to how to use each weapon.
2008-03-08 20:42 < NicholasT> Doc_glasgow: Oh christ, Prof Hennessy here at the Uni of Sussex goes on and on about pi calculus and pervasive computing
2008-03-08 20:42 < quanticle> Hmmm. I'll add another response stating that it violates the game-guide principle.
2008-03-08 20:43 < quanticle> Ni
2008-03-08 20:43 < quanticle> Ack
2008-03-08 20:43 * Messedrocker integrates NicholasT with 2/pi
2008-03-08 20:43 < quanticle> NicholasT: Pi calculus? As opposed to lambda calculus?
2008-03-08 20:43 < E_Wing> Hmm
2008-03-08 20:43 < NicholasT> quanticle: Don't ask me, I have no clue what it is
2008-03-08 20:43 < E_Wing> Pi calculus
2008-03-08 20:44 < quanticle> E_Wing: Where the derivative of apple is pumpkin
2008-03-08 20:44 < AppleBoy> YARRRR
2008-03-08 20:44 * AppleBoy kicks quanticle
2008-03-08 20:44 < E_Wing> Tsk tsk
2008-03-08 20:44 < Gazimoff> quanticle: I'd also suggest that the Halo 3 article, having reached FA, is probably finished. If it aint broke, don't fix it :)
2008-03-08 20:44 < quanticle> AppleBoy: What is your derivative?
2008-03-08 20:44 < NicholasT> Messedrocker: Please. I'm worth *far* more than the area of a circle, darling. Indeed, I have block reservations weeks in advance.
2008-03-08 20:45 * AppleBoy thwaps quanticle upside the head
2008-03-08 20:45 < AppleBoy> who's your daddy?!
2008-03-08 20:45 < quanticle> AppleBoy: Your mom.
2008-03-08 20:45 < NicholasT> AppleBoy: ... is he rich like mine?
2008-03-08 20:45 < Messedrocker> NicholasT, are you worth more than the circle with the infinite radius?
2008-03-08 20:46 < pengo> i met a girl with an infinite radius
2008-03-08 20:46 < E_Wing> Stupid calculus
2008-03-08 20:46 < quanticle> pengo: Was it AppleBoy's mom?
2008-03-08 20:46 < quanticle> :x
2008-03-08 20:46 < pengo> yes
2008-03-08 20:46 < NicholasT> Messedrocker: How dare you even insinuate such a thing. I may be a whore, but I am a selective one.
2008-03-08 20:46 < E_Wing> I;m sick and tired of it, especially here in engineering
2008-03-08 20:46 < pengo> i had to roll over an infinite number of times
2008-03-08 20:46 < pengo> and i was still on top of the bitch
2008-03-08 20:47 < E_Wing> And especially when I misplaced that damn formula card
2008-03-08 20:47 * quanticle high-fives pengo
2008-03-08 20:47 < quanticle> pengo: Way to take that joke and run with it
2008-03-08 20:48 < NicholasT> Messedrocker: indeed, I can differentiate between those inside my circle and those outside. Of course, that depends on the chi square distribution of their delta function. :-D
2008-03-08 20:48 < quanticle> Wait. Isn't a circle with infinite radius a plane?
2008-03-08 20:48 < E_Wing> yup
2008-03-08 20:48 < quanticle> pengo: Did you notice any snakes?
2008-03-08 20:48 < E_Wing> A circle is always a plane figure
2008-03-08 20:48 < pengo> quanticle: radius can also refer to a sphere, sorry.
2008-03-08 20:48 < Messedrocker> The most complicated thing I can do is solve exponential equations!
2008-03-08 20:48 < Messedrocker> Bwoosh!
2008-03-08 20:49 < quanticle> Messedrocker: Y'mean you can take roots?
2008-03-08 20:49 < NicholasT> quanticle: yeah, a line can be considered as a special case of a circle of infinite radius.
2008-03-08 20:49 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: to a library with an adequate 500s section you go!
2008-03-08 20:49 < NicholasT> *of a circle with
2008-03-08 20:49 < Messedrocker> quanticle, i mean i can take, say, 4^x = 37
2008-03-08 20:50 < Messedrocker> and log-base4 both sides
2008-03-08 20:50 < quanticle> NicholasT: Yeah that too. I guess its how wyou look at it
2008-03-08 20:50 < Messedrocker> and things like that
2008-03-08 20:50 < Gracenotes> Messedrocker: we must have you learn calculus immediately :|
2008-03-08 20:50 < E_Wing> I envy you guys ehehehe
2008-03-08 20:51 < Werdna> Messedrocker: ooh, fun
2008-03-08 20:51 * Werdna does ext2 in Austrlia
2008-03-08 20:51 < Werdna> Australia*
2008-03-08 20:51 * Messedrocker will be in pre-calc next year :)
2008-03-08 20:51 < Werdna> heh
2008-03-08 20:51 < quanticle> Its funny, you actually don't need very much calculus for Computer Science.
2008-03-08 20:51 < Werdna> calculus is cool though
2008-03-08 20:51 < quanticle> Lots of discrete math and set theory though
2008-03-08 20:51 * Messedrocker LOVES math
2008-03-08 20:51 < Werdna> it lets you do stacks of stuff.
2008-03-08 20:51 < Messedrocker> yet i am not good at it
2008-03-08 20:52 < Messedrocker> the last semester i had a C average in math
2008-03-08 20:52 < quanticle> Werdna: Meh. I never found much love for calculus. Set theory, and number theory have my interest.
2008-03-08 20:52 * Messedrocker hates geometry, and hates graphing
2008-03-08 20:52 < Werdna> extension 2 maths in Australia is polynomials, lots of trigonometry, complex analysis, motion (particle and projectile), lots of integration (incl volumes), conics
2008-03-08 20:53 * NicholasT integrates Messedrocker's log-4(x), whilst his parabola p1 hits the point of NicholasT's radius r2
2008-03-08 20:53 < quanticle> Messedrocker: You'll like calculus then. Not so much actual drawing of graphs, but lots of thinking about graphs by looking at the equations that produce them.
2008-03-08 20:53 < Werdna> extension 1 is inverse trig, motion, polynomials, binomials, rates and finance, probability
2008-03-08 20:53 < pengo> i never found much use for anything except for "adding one"
2008-03-08 20:53 * Messedrocker <3 solving equations and similar things
2008-03-08 20:53 < pengo> but that's programming for you
2008-03-08 20:54 < Werdna> pengo: it depends on what you do. I've used some conics in some programming.
2008-03-08 20:54 < quanticle> pengo: I've actually found uses for set theory in programming. Trying to break problems into disjoint sets really helps when trying to devise divide and conquer algorithms.
2008-03-08 20:54 < pengo> werdna: did you smoke them?
2008-03-08 20:54 < Werdna> heh, no.
2008-03-08 20:55 < E_Wing> Werdna: What programming language do you use?
2008-03-08 20:55 < Werdna> I was drawing polygons of arbitrary width/height, with an arbitrary number of sides
2008-03-08 20:55 < Werdna> E_Wing: lots.
2008-03-08 20:55 < Werdna> so I used ellipses.
2008-03-08 20:55 < E_Wing> Like?
2008-03-08 20:55 < pengo> werdna: hmm ok
2008-03-08 20:56 < E_Wing> C++, VBasic, etc.?
2008-03-08 20:56 < pengo> so conics have a purpose?
2008-03-08 20:56 < Gazimoff> DannyLilithborne: I have added my 2 cents to that AfD
2008-03-08 20:57 < quanticle> Werdna: Isn't it more efficient to simply represent all the corners of the polygon as points, and simply draw lines from point to point using coordinate geometry?
2008-03-08 20:57 < E_Wing> Brb, will check the manual of that damn model kit.
2008-03-08 21:00 < maelstrom> kc star is using a wikipedia image w/o attribution
2008-03-08 21:00 < quanticle> maelstrom: So?
2008-03-08 21:00 < maelstrom> http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/520656.html <-- [[Red-shouldered hawk]]
2008-03-08 21:01 < E_Wing> Can someone check this? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AZapsteel&diff=cur&oldid=prev
2008-03-08 21:01 < maelstrom> kind of lame in my opinion. should be credited
2008-03-08 21:01 < Werdna> quanticle: the problem is finding the points, given a center, two radii, and a number of points.
2008-03-08 21:20 < te_> are there any good jobs that someone who knows tons of obscure facts could get?
2008-03-08 21:20 < te_> besides...i dont know...being a homeless wino
2008-03-08 21:20 < Kamping_Kaiser> sell their soul to gameshow makers
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2008-03-08 21:22 < Keysniper> UNTZ
2008-03-08 21:22 < Keysniper> UNTZ
2008-03-08 21:22 < Keysniper> UNTZ
2008-03-08 21:22 < Keysniper> UNTZ
2008-03-08 21:22 < Keysniper> UNTZ
2008-03-08 21:22 < Mike_H> bai.
2008-03-08 21:43 < TheDenzel> Wassa???
2008-03-08 21:44 < Splunge> god
2008-03-08 21:44 < Splunge> it's so boring tonight
2008-03-08 21:45 < Gazimoff> One thing that may be worth watching...
2008-03-08 21:45 < Gazimoff> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Halo_3_New_Convenant_and_Human_Weapons
2008-03-08 21:45 < Splunge> Gazimoff, how can i watch outside when it's a whiteout outside
2008-03-08 21:45 < Gazimoff> Head, meet desk. Desk, meet head.
2008-03-08 21:46 < Gazimoff> Whiteout?
2008-03-08 21:46 < Splunge> yeah
2008-03-08 21:46 < Splunge> snow storm outside
2008-03-08 21:47 < Gazimoff> Ah, nasty.
2008-03-08 21:47 < Splunge> very nasty storm
2008-03-08 21:47 < Gazimoff> Haven't seen one of them in years.
2008-03-08 21:47 < Splunge> but it's a major one
2008-03-08 21:47 < Splunge> literally 15 inches of snow is being shitted atm
2008-03-08 21:48 < Lubaf> To pull ahead, Clinton has to win by a mean of 63% for all remaining states.
2008-03-08 21:54 < SarahEmm> Splunge: where are you?
2008-03-08 21:54 < Pilotguy_aw> GO TAR HEELS!
2008-03-08 21:54 < Splunge> a suburb of Montreal Canada
2008-03-08 21:54 < Splunge> hi Pilotguy <3
2008-03-08 21:55 < Pilotguy> You get ESPN in Canada
2008-03-08 21:55 < Pilotguy> Watch the Carolina game
2008-03-08 21:55 < Splunge> ya
2008-03-08 21:55 < Splunge> can't
2008-03-08 21:55 < Splunge> brother is watching movie
2008-03-08 21:55 < Splunge> rofl
2008-03-08 21:55 < SarahEmm> Splunge: that'd explain it. snowed all day here in toronto, stopped a few hours back
2008-03-08 21:55 < Pilotguy> Tell him to sod off
2008-03-08 21:55 < Pilotguy> He can watch a movie anytime
2008-03-08 21:56 < Pilotguy> The Carolina Duke game happens twice in a basketball season
2008-03-08 21:56 < Splunge> cool
2008-03-08 21:56 < Splunge> I programmed the DVR
2008-03-08 21:56 < Pilotguy> Carolina is winning!!!!!!!
2008-03-08 22:15 < yao_ziyuan> what is the motive for people to work?
2008-03-08 22:15 < Messedrocker> money
2008-03-08 22:15 < SarahEmm> yao_ziyuan: work as in a job, or work on wikipedia?
2008-03-08 22:15 < Messedrocker> enthusiasm in what they do
2008-03-08 22:15 < The359> stalking hot coworkers
2008-03-08 22:16 < yao_ziyuan> for example, two kinds of people,
2008-03-08 22:16 < Messedrocker> or it is rewarding to the ego
2008-03-08 22:16 < yao_ziyuan> one is those engineers working in defense enterprises
2008-03-08 22:16 < Messedrocker> working on wikipedia articles is ego-rewarding for me
2008-03-08 22:16 < yao_ziyuan> the other is people like Stephen Wolfram, Bram Cohen
2008-03-08 22:17 < yao_ziyuan> those grandmasters
2008-03-08 22:17 < yao_ziyuan> "stalk", hoho
2008-03-08 22:17 < uberpenguin> in stephen wolfram's case, most of his impetus to do anything at all seems to be so he can come across as a complete tool every time he speaks
2008-03-08 22:17 < yao_ziyuan> enthusiasm, what a great word
2008-03-08 22:17 < yao_ziyuan> ego, what a great word
2008-03-08 22:18 < uberpenguin> try out Freud's other word: id
2008-03-08 22:18 < uberpenguin> less well known, but equally amusing
2008-03-08 22:18 < yao_ziyuan> (11:16:24 AM) Messedrocker: working on wikipedia articles is ego-rewarding for me << yes, makes you feel you are imparted into the result of human civilization
2008-03-08 22:19 < Messedrocker> not even that
2008-03-08 22:19 < Messedrocker> i just look at an article
2008-03-08 22:19 < Messedrocker> and see how well-written and arranged it is
2008-03-08 22:19 < Messedrocker> and i take pride in that i did that
2008-03-08 22:19 < uberpenguin> that would be more of... a sense of altruism and perhaps reciprocity
2008-03-08 22:19 < uberpenguin> I doubt that motivates most wikipedos
2008-03-08 22:19 < Messedrocker> no, it's that i am full of myself
2008-03-08 22:20 < uberpenguin> yup
2008-03-08 22:20 < yao_ziyuan> id
2008-03-08 22:20 < yao_ziyuan> my id is "problem solver"
2008-03-08 22:20 < Messedrocker> solving problems is your impulse?
2008-03-08 22:20 < uberpenguin> eh... no, that's not your id
2008-03-08 22:20 < uberpenguin> http://allpsych.com/psychology101/ego.html
2008-03-08 22:21 < yao_ziyuan> i was participating in student programming contests in 1996, 1999-2002
2008-03-08 22:21 < Messedrocker> so solving problems makes you happy then?
2008-03-08 22:21 < yao_ziyuan> kind of the math/programming nerds like bram cohen
2008-03-08 22:21 < uberpenguin> (nerd admission: I only know what the Id is because of a certain 50s sci fi movie)
2008-03-08 22:21 < yao_ziyuan> makes me feel achieving
2008-03-08 22:21 < uberpenguin> in some circles bram cohen's name is a vile expletive
2008-03-08 22:22 < yao_ziyuan> i have a different experience. i underwent a struggle with china's education system
2008-03-08 22:22 < yao_ziyuan> if i were raised up in america, i'd probably still wage a war against the education system
2008-03-08 22:23 < yao_ziyuan> that struggle, that breakout, led me to some money
2008-03-08 22:23 < yao_ziyuan> i mean, i made a couple of shareware and have been making $$$ from them
2008-03-08 22:23 < Spush> hai Kstigarb0
2008-03-08 22:23 < yao_ziyuan> as an alternate to schooling
2008-03-08 22:24 < Messedrocker> excite bike!
2008-03-08 22:24 < Kstigarb0> hi
2008-03-08 22:24 < yao_ziyuan> that happened in high school. my high school was forced by my this feat to retreat from intervening me
2008-03-08 22:24 < yao_ziyuan> so i can do anything i want, rejecting all classes and homework/exams
2008-03-08 22:25 < yao_ziyuan> but that progress was caused by a breakout
2008-03-08 22:25 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Any circle in which Bram Cohen or Jon Johansen is an invective, is no circle I wish to participate in.
2008-03-08 22:25 < yao_ziyuan> a breakout between me and the school
2008-03-08 22:25 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: Nice.
2008-03-08 22:25 < yao_ziyuan> in college i did that kind of thing again
2008-03-08 22:25 < yao_ziyuan> it's interesting to see the college admin pissed off
2008-03-08 22:26 < yao_ziyuan> and now, nobody is pressing me for classes, homework, exams now
2008-03-08 22:26 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: Especially in China?
2008-03-08 22:26 < uberpenguin> quanticle: the author of the fastest bittorrent tracker I'm aware of cursed Bram's name nearly daily
2008-03-08 22:26 < Spush> hey quanticle :)
2008-03-08 22:26 < yao_ziyuan> i seem to have lost some motive
2008-03-08 22:26 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: yes
2008-03-08 22:26 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Why?
2008-03-08 22:26 < uberpenguin> because bittorrent is a terribly defined protocol
2008-03-08 22:27 < uberpenguin> most of the time you have to tailor to how clients implement it in various ways, because the specification leaves a lot of room for interpretation
2008-03-08 22:27 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Most protocols that actually work are pretty terribly defined.
2008-03-08 22:27 < yao_ziyuan> i should learn how to progress in a peaceful environment
2008-03-08 22:27 < uberpenguin> quanticle: use of the quantifier "most" is pretty careless there
2008-03-08 22:27 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: If going against the grain works for you (and it seems like it has) don't worry about it.
2008-03-08 22:28 < uberpenguin> bittorrent works because it's pretty simple, so it's actually feasible to tailor to the quirks of various clients
2008-03-08 22:28 < quanticle> uberpenguin: I guess. On reflection, I guess lower level protocols are pretty heavily specified.
2008-03-08 22:28 < uberpenguin> or just ban certain poorly-behaving clients, as was often the case
2008-03-08 22:28 * Mike_H NP: Huey Lewis and the News - Power of Love (1985)
2008-03-08 22:28 < yao_ziyuan> there was a teacher in my college trying to drive me crazy
2008-03-08 22:28 < quanticle> uberpenguin: Like BitComet
2008-03-08 22:29 < yao_ziyuan> such as teasing me online
2008-03-08 22:29 < uberpenguin> I could enumerate a plethora
2008-03-08 22:29 < yao_ziyuan> i still think struggling with people and systems like him is a good incentive for me
2008-03-08 22:29 < uberpenguin> most major bittorrent clients have some versions which behave very badly
2008-03-08 22:29 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: Fortunately most of my professors here are too clueless to be doing anything derogatory to students online.
2008-03-08 22:29 < uberpenguin> most of the very early utorrent clients were crap
2008-03-08 22:29 < uberpenguin> azureus has had many versions which did weird things
2008-03-08 22:30 < quanticle> uberpenguin: BitTornado has always been pretty well-behaved.
2008-03-08 22:30 < uberpenguin> ABC, BitComet, rtorrent... they've all had their share of issues
2008-03-08 22:30 < yao_ziyuan> hatred is great motive
2008-03-08 22:30 < uberpenguin> I can't recall whether there are bad versions of tornado or not... there probably are, though
2008-03-08 22:30 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: You hated him, or he hated you?
2008-03-08 22:30 < yao_ziyuan> both
2008-03-08 22:30 < quanticle> That's usually how it is.
2008-03-08 22:31 < quanticle> And he was motivated enough to follow you online?
2008-03-08 22:31 < uberpenguin> mind you, bittorrent is extremely simple, and even as such there's all this nonsense between the various implementations
2008-03-08 22:31 < yao_ziyuan> the desire to see people you hate retreat, demote, oppressed
2008-03-08 22:31 < uberpenguin> therein lies the reason my buddy hates bram cohen
2008-03-08 22:31 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: he was
2008-03-08 22:31 < Mike_H> yao_ziyuan: I'd use the term "die in a ditch" to the people I hate
2008-03-08 22:31 < Mike_H> usually rhyming with the epithet "you stupid bitch"
2008-03-08 22:31 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: because he was the one that admitted me to that college... and i turned out not to be the kind of "good good study" student he thought i would be
2008-03-08 22:32 < yao_ziyuan> HE WAS WRONG, lol
2008-03-08 22:32 < quanticle> uberpenguin: If I recall correctly, the BitTorrent protocol was largely defined by the original BitTorrent client, no?
2008-03-08 22:32 < yao_ziyuan> I AM WILD
2008-03-08 22:32 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: Heh. So he decided he would try to tame you?
2008-03-08 22:32 < Mike_H> Chinese people being wild?
2008-03-08 22:32 < uberpenguin> somewhat, yes
2008-03-08 22:32 < Mike_H> Shed your abacus, student! Time for Jell-O shots!
2008-03-08 22:32 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: no. at that time i was already expelled by the college
2008-03-08 22:33 < uberpenguin> there was a published protocol document, and very early implementers would use the reference client to fill in the gaps
2008-03-08 22:33 < uberpenguin> but that didn't last long
2008-03-08 22:33 < uberpenguin> since the reference client wasn't all that popular for long
2008-03-08 22:33 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: he was seriously criticized by the school admin
2008-03-08 22:33 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: and his career was darkened
2008-03-08 22:33 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: so he wanted to revenge me online
2008-03-08 22:34 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: But he didn't get fired. I guess Chinese professors have tenure too...
2008-03-08 22:34 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: he is an "assistant professor"
2008-03-08 22:34 < yao_ziyuan> quanticle: "associate professor"
2008-03-08 22:34 < yao_ziyuan> lol
2008-03-08 22:35 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-03-08 22:35 < quanticle> Hi brown_cat
2008-03-08 22:35 < brown_cat> :)
2008-03-08 22:35 < yao_ziyuan> hatred, pride, prejudice, competition, these are a kind
2008-03-08 22:36 < yao_ziyuan> a kind of motive
2008-03-08 22:36 < brown_cat> hellos! how is everyone?
2008-03-08 22:36 * brown_cat cuddles quanticle
2008-03-08 22:36 < yao_ziyuan> love, expectation of better life, these are another kind
2008-03-08 22:36 < E_Wing> brown_cat: Just fine
2008-03-08 22:36 < quanticle> brown_cat: Not bad.
2008-03-08 22:36 < Spush> whoa!
2008-03-08 22:36 < yao_ziyuan> i love myself; i love people of my type
2008-03-08 22:36 < yao_ziyuan> NERDS
2008-03-08 22:36 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: Nerds ftw.
2008-03-08 22:36 < Spush> the lights went out!
2008-03-08 22:37 < Spush> I'm on the backup power!
2008-03-08 22:37 < yao_ziyuan> FREEDOM LOVERS
2008-03-08 22:37 * Rinn waves goodbye to Spush
2008-03-08 22:37 * brown_cat loves spanish
2008-03-08 22:37 * brown_cat cuddles Rinn
2008-03-08 22:37 < NotACow> DEATH TO SOMETHING OR ANOTHER
2008-03-08 22:37 < Spush> I've got 30 minutes of power
2008-03-08 22:38 * Rinn 's spine collapses and she dies
2008-03-08 22:38 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-03-08 22:38 < brown_cat> ARGHH!!!
2008-03-08 22:38 < yao_ziyuan> i love a wallpaper: http://72.11.142.207/~vladstud3/lowquality/vladstudio_tend_to_zero_blue_1280x1024.jpg
2008-03-08 22:38 * brown_cat screams
2008-03-08 22:38 < quanticle> Rinn: brown_cat cuddled you, not huggled you
2008-03-08 22:38 < yao_ziyuan> it is the default wallpaper in kubuntu 8.04
2008-03-08 22:38 * brown_cat gives Rinn one of his lives
2008-03-08 22:38 < Rinn> It wasn't necessarily caused by the cuddling.
2008-03-08 22:38 < yao_ziyuan> there it doesn't have the waterprint
2008-03-08 22:38 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: Its a Mandelbrot set! Those wallpapers rule.
2008-03-08 22:38 < yao_ziyuan> i'm downloading kubuntu 8.04 alpha for the waterprint-less edition of this wallpaper
2008-03-08 22:39 < yao_ziyuan> it's made by VLADSTUDIO, a russian guy whose wallpapers i used years ago
2008-03-08 22:39 < yao_ziyuan> when in college
2008-03-08 22:39 < yao_ziyuan> there is a "hot" edition: http://72.11.142.207/~vladstud3/lowquality/vladstudio_tend_to_zero_hot_1280x1024.jpg
2008-03-08 22:40 < quanticle> yao_ziyuan: If you were sufficiently motivated you could create that yourself. Its a relatively simple fractal program. The trick would be to get the colors and the shading right.
2008-03-08 22:40 < yao_ziyuan> i don't feel much motivation for that ..
2008-03-08 22:41 < uberpenguin> silly rabbit, nonlinear dynamics are for kids
2008-03-08 22:41 < yao_ziyuan> it's flowerish
2008-03-08 22:42 < gwern> It was an audacious, even rashly ludicrous, plan he had contrived, but try as I might, I could find no flaw in it!
2008-03-08 22:43 < quanticle> gwern: But did it involve nonlinear dynamics?
2008-03-08 22:44 < gwern> quanticle: of the highest sort, described by Prof. --- in his seminal publication on the topic.
2008-03-08 22:44 < Spush> light's back
2008-03-08 22:45 < quanticle> CAT!
2008-03-08 22:45 < CAT> O_o
2008-03-08 22:45 * CAT snuggles CA
2008-03-08 22:45 * CAT snuggles quanticle
2008-03-08 22:45 * Schrodinger_Cat snuggles CAT
2008-03-08 22:45 * CAT snuggles Schrodinger_Cat
2008-03-08 22:46 < CAT> "she's a slut and she knows it. she can't helps taking the drugs on a saturday night" omg, I love this song ahahaha
2008-03-08 22:48 < Schrodinger_Cat> CAT: Which song?
2008-03-08 22:48 < Schrodinger_Cat> Hi Rinn, or rather, nniR
2008-03-08 22:48 < CAT> Schrodinger_Cat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVjYwdTw8TA
2008-03-08 22:49 < Werdna> mmmm
2008-03-08 22:49 < Schrodinger_Cat> CAT: Its about Britney Spears isn't it?
2008-03-08 22:49 < CAT> hahaha
2008-03-08 22:50 < Schrodinger_Cat> Wait, never mind. Britney Spears did cocaine...
2008-03-08 22:50 < CAT> no, it is from a show [[Summer Heights High]]
2008-03-08 22:50 < CAT> hahahaahaaha
2008-03-08 22:50 * FastLizard4 notes that CAT is operating from the same computer as brown_cat
2008-03-08 22:50 < Spush> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEPj-ln8HQ4
2008-03-08 22:50 < Spush> this one is good
2008-03-08 22:51 < CAT> OH NOES
2008-03-08 22:51 < Schrodinger_Cat> Spush: Nice. Well played...
2008-03-08 22:51 * FastLizard4 nukes *!*@124-169-19-116.dyn.iinet.net.au
2008-03-08 22:52 < Spush> loli rickroll
2008-03-08 22:52 < Schrodinger_Cat> Spush: 80s loli rickroll, no less...
2008-03-08 22:52 < Spush> but look at the lady
2008-03-08 22:52 < Spush> that's fergie
2008-03-08 22:52 < Schrodinger_Cat> Keytar at 1:27 is epic
2008-03-08 22:53 < Schrodinger_Cat> Damn. I remember when Keytars were cool.
2008-03-08 22:53 * Schrodinger_Cat feels old
2008-03-08 22:53 < Spush> and the girls on the guitars, the girl on the piano, the guy on the drum
2008-03-08 22:53 < Spush> are not even playing it
2008-03-08 22:54 < Schrodinger_Cat> Spush: I'd be surprised if they were.
2008-03-08 22:55 < gwern> 'God damn my balls a million times Jesus!'
2008-03-08 22:58 < CAT> OMG Schrodinger_Cat: This is the original- the best school concert ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VylHyfsYwGc&feature=related
2008-03-08 22:59 < DannyLilithborne> hey
2008-03-08 22:59 < DannyLilithborne> listen
2008-03-08 22:59 < DannyLilithborne> http://youtube.com/watch?v=duRO3noyAKU
2008-03-08 23:00 < jtizzle1854> I have a dish satellite DVR and I don't need if i take the hard drive out of the dvr can I install it in my computer? anyone know?
2008-03-08 23:01 < uberpenguin> schroedinger's cat?
2008-03-08 23:01 * uberpenguin gets his gun
2008-03-08 23:01 < CAT> O_o
2008-03-08 23:01 * CAT watchew
2008-03-08 23:02 < jtizzle1854> I have a dish satellite DVR and I don't need if i take the hard drive out of the dvr can I install it in my computer? anyone know?
2008-03-08 23:03 < SarahEmm> what do you do if the reference for a given fact is only available once logged into a given website? any way to use that fact, or do you then have to leave it out?
2008-03-08 23:05 < uberpenguin> just include it anyway and wildly accuse anyone who tries to remove it of rapant POV, COI, or whatever TLA suits you best ATM
2008-03-08 23:05 < SarahEmm> o.O
2008-03-08 23:05 < SarahEmm> uberpenguin: is that the official policy? ;)
2008-03-08 23:06 < Gazimoff> Right, I have done my new page. It is 4am. I am going to bed.
2008-03-08 23:06 < Gazimoff> The irony is, it was a bography on a researcher on computer adiction
2008-03-08 23:07 < uberpenguin> SarahEmm: dear fellow, I think you'll find that official policy is whatever your posse argues it to be
2008-03-08 23:08 * SarahEmm will keep looking for a source that's not behind a locked page. :)
2008-03-08 23:10 < uberpenguin> however, there's never been a general adversity on wikipedia as far as I've seen to referencing works which aren't available online
2008-03-08 23:10 < uberpenguin> occasionally someone will make noise over it, but few people care in general
2008-03-08 23:10 < uberpenguin> as long as the reference SOUNDS official enough, that should be sufficient, even if you make it up
2008-03-08 23:10 < SarahEmm> ahh ok. i'll give the source anyway, hopefully that'll be enough. :)
2008-03-08 23:10 < uberpenguin> so... pick a peer-reviewed journal, make up an article name and publication date, voila: instant reference
2008-03-08 23:11 < SarahEmm> it's a new page and i'm trying to make sure the notability is given in the article to avoid it being deleted 5 seconds later ;)
2008-03-08 23:11 < uberpenguin> if push comes to shove, someone with journal archive access COULD call you on it if suspicion were raised, but fortunately your average wikipedo doesn't have journal access :3
2008-03-08 23:12 < SarahEmm> journal archive access?
2008-03-08 23:12 < uberpenguin> you see? many folks don't even know what it is
2008-03-08 23:12 < SarahEmm> oh. n/m i get it
2008-03-08 23:12 < Messedroker> Journals kick tuchus
2008-03-08 23:12 < SarahEmm> it's a real fact about the website the page is on, you just have to log in to said site to get it. i'll list the source and hope nobody says anything.
2008-03-08 23:15 < Messedrocker> uberpenguin, http://doaj.org
2008-03-08 23:16 < uberpenguin> personally I classify my facts into "bins of believability", for it matters far less whether a fact is true than whether it's popular
2008-03-08 23:16 < E_Wing> Is the talkpage included in Afd?
2008-03-08 23:17 < uberpenguin> "It is an important and very popular fact that things are not as they seem"
2008-03-08 23:17 < uberpenguin> ah yes, open access
2008-03-08 23:18 < uberpenguin> what a whimsical idea... good luck getting the hard sciences onboard
2008-03-08 23:18 < uberpenguin> but in the meantime, I'll amuse myself with the Journal of Postmodernism
2008-03-08 23:18 < uberpenguin> always good for a few jollies
2008-03-08 23:18 < E_Wing> Can somebody delete this: [[Talk:Phototropim]]. Thanks
2008-03-08 23:18 < E_Wing> :-)
2008-03-08 23:20 < E_Wing> Thanks to whoever deleted it :-)
2008-03-08 23:29 < bumm13> hiya uberpenguin
2008-03-08 23:39 < SportsMaster> Can an admin in here put a temp ban on this person's isp.. they seem to enjoy undoing my edits again and again 74.137.212.37
2008-03-08 23:40 < uberpenguin> bumm13: hey friend
2008-03-08 23:40 < uberpenguin> bumm13: what's up?
2008-03-08 23:45 < uberpenguin> huh... odd
2008-03-08 23:50 < E_Wing> uberpenguin: Why, what's odd?
2008-03-08 23:52 < uberpenguin> nothing... these numbers just aren't quite working out right yet
2008-03-08 23:53 < uberpenguin> must be a mistake in the power series expansion of this triode's dynamic transfer curve or somesuch nonsense
2008-03-09 00:02 < fale> hi
2008-03-09 00:02 < Messedrocker> uberpenguin, re earlier
2008-03-09 00:02 < Messedrocker> http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1741-7015-5-39.pdf
2008-03-09 00:02 < Cowman109> Ugh, wrong button.
2008-03-09 00:02 < Messedrocker> no-hard-sciences MY ASS!
2008-03-09 00:03 < uberpenguin> until you can link me an article in Science, Nature, Phys. Review Letters, or one of the IEEE journals, it's still useless
2008-03-09 00:04 < bumm13> uberpenguin: not up to much
2008-03-09 00:04 < E_Wing> Is User:Celarnor here?
2008-03-09 00:04 < Messedrocker> uberpenguin, they're not open. what are you going to do about it
2008-03-09 00:06 < uberpenguin> uh, nothing
2008-03-09 00:07 < uberpenguin> as I implied, directly stated, and find myself reiterating, open access is a whimsical idea which isn't going to sway the Big Boys of peer-reviewed literature any time soon
2008-03-09 00:07 < uberpenguin> bumm13: that can be a good or a bad thing
2008-03-09 00:07 < uberpenguin> bumm13: how's life?
2008-03-09 00:10 < Messedrocker> sadly not, überpenguin
2008-03-09 00:10 < Messedrocker> until then, there are still credible journals that allow open acccess
2008-03-09 00:10 < bumm13> good, mostly, although this evil cold virus will not go away >:I
2008-03-09 00:11 < uberpenguin> I'm impressed that you took the time to find and copy the umlaut character
2008-03-09 00:11 < uberpenguin> bravö
2008-03-09 00:11 < Messedrocker> time?
2008-03-09 00:11 < Messedrocker> alt-u u
2008-03-09 00:11 < Messedrocker> bitch!
2008-03-09 00:12 < bumm13> (still some wet coughing, stuff in my lungs and "metallic" taste in my mouth)