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2008-03-08 02:04 < Krimpet> "the" Isis was banned far before WR was created
2008-03-08 02:05 < Demi> lir could still have used the nick here--Raul made some reference to lir's ban having expired, him coming back and then pretty shortly thereafter being indef. banned
2008-03-08 02:05 < The359> well I meant because they were in here whining about how unfair Wikipedia is
2008-03-08 02:05 < The359> If they were banned, they might have taken their whining to WR
2008-03-08 02:05 < Demi> so i was sort of expecting some hullaballoo about it
2008-03-08 02:05 < bumm13> I doubt it was Lir
2008-03-08 02:05 < bumm13> Lir lives in IA
2008-03-08 02:05 < Demi> bumm13 - didn't sound like it? i never knew anything about lir
2008-03-08 02:05 < zocky> sounded more like the real isis to me
2008-03-08 02:05 < bumm13> Lir has only came into this channel once or twice that I recall
2008-03-08 02:07 * bumm13 remembers when certain WP notables used to chat here and when they came up with the "bureaucrat" and "steward" designations :x
2008-03-08 02:07 * Messedrocker coordinates a wikipedia rock opera
2008-03-08 02:07 < AdamBishop> ah they're all interchangeable anyway
2008-03-08 02:07 < Messedrocker> I REMEMBER WHEN MOSES PASSED DOWN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS TO THE WIKIPEDIANS
2008-03-08 02:07 < Messedrocker> AND THE FIRST ONE WAS "IGNORE ALL OF THE COMMANDMENTS"
2008-03-08 02:07 < bumm13> MessedRocker: ah, something useful :)
2008-03-08 02:08 < zocky> bumm13, yeah, before they had jobs, travels, and expenses
2008-03-08 02:08 < zocky> not that I begrudge them those
2008-03-08 02:08 * Krimpet remembers when Essjay resigned... like 2 months after I started here :p
2008-03-08 02:08 < bumm13> much more recent :)
2008-03-08 02:08 < AdamBishop> remember when Raul deleted the main page by accident
2008-03-08 02:08 * Krimpet is a spring wikichicken.
2008-03-08 02:08 < Messedrocker> krimpet
2008-03-08 02:08 < Messedrocker> you're a n00b
2008-03-08 02:08 < zocky> but it would be nice if some of the old guard hung around here more often
2008-03-08 02:08 < zocky> i remember when raul went ballistic and had anthony banned because anthony edited the main page
2008-03-08 02:08 < Messedrocker> the old guard has been chased awy
2008-03-08 02:08 < bumm13> meh, I don't really mind that much
2008-03-08 02:09 < bumm13> Messedrocker: no they haven't
2008-03-08 02:09 < zocky> Messedrocker, no, they went away on their own, mostly to #wikimedia and the secret channels
2008-03-08 02:09 < bumm13> they moved on to "bigger and better" things
2008-03-08 02:09 < Messedrocker> now *my* generation is considered to be the old guard
2008-03-08 02:09 < Messedrocker> the 04ers
2008-03-08 02:09 < AdamBishop> I'm here! And bumm, and Mike, and Demi, and Raul
2008-03-08 02:09 < zocky> because we're so afraid of public logging and stuff
2008-03-08 02:09 < Messedrocker> HIYA BRANDT!
2008-03-08 02:09 * zocky sometimes wonders if we're doing something illegal
2008-03-08 02:10 < E_Wing> Isn't that british english is being used in WIki?
2008-03-08 02:10 < bumm13> well, I remember before Raul arrived
2008-03-08 02:10 < zocky> there's this widespread culture of secrecy, and it's totally silly
2008-03-08 02:10 < bumm13> (on IRC)
2008-03-08 02:10 < Messedrocker> zocky, i blame the MORONS
2008-03-08 02:10 < Demi> i remember when he would stick with one damn nick
2008-03-08 02:10 < bumm13> zocky: yeah, that annoys me greatly
2008-03-08 02:10 < zocky> Messedrocker, I blame us
2008-03-08 02:11 < Messedrocker> it's ironic that my blog has very little to no vitriol
2008-03-08 02:11 < bumm13> Demi: yeah :p
2008-03-08 02:11 < Messedrocker> yet on IRC i am full of vitriol
2008-03-08 02:11 < Krimpet> I remember when he was K-lined for having too many clones :)
2008-03-08 02:11 < Krimpet> ...yesterday :p
2008-03-08 02:11 < Demi> you are full of babies
2008-03-08 02:11 < bumm13> haha
2008-03-08 02:11 < zocky> Messedrocker, if anthere and jimbo had their raws publically all the time, there would be no news story in anthere telling jimbo to get a grip
2008-03-08 02:11 < Messedrocker> you mean their rows?
2008-03-08 02:11 < zocky> of course
2008-03-08 02:11 < bumm13> glad someone told him to get a grip ;p
2008-03-08 02:11 < zocky> but because it's now all done in secret, every juicy detail that comes out is a big story
2008-03-08 02:12 < Messedrocker> jimbo's a short little boy
2008-03-08 02:12 < bumm13> he vaguely reminds me of Chris Elliot
2008-03-08 02:12 < Demi> and if jimbo had just been in public fucking around, we wouldn't have all these problems either
2008-03-08 02:12 < Demi> bumm13 - haha
2008-03-08 02:12 < Messedrocker> he's 5'6" or so
2008-03-08 02:12 < bumm13> only not intending to be funny
2008-03-08 02:12 < Demi> he's better looking than chris elliot, i think
2008-03-08 02:12 < bumm13> (in that "dorky humor" way)
2008-03-08 02:12 < bumm13> yes, he is a bit better looking
2008-03-08 02:13 < Krimpet> and then we get all this sekrit mailing list nonsense too -_-
2008-03-08 02:13 * bumm13 is 5'6" :(
2008-03-08 02:13 < Demi> the secret mailing list, the poisonous admin channel
2008-03-08 02:13 * zocky is metric
2008-03-08 02:13 < Demi> the secreter mailing list
2008-03-08 02:13 < AdamBishop> I'm approximately 5'"
2008-03-08 02:13 < bumm13> zocky: google :)
2008-03-08 02:13 < Messedrocker> AdamBishop, i'd hate to be you
2008-03-08 02:13 < AdamBishop> er...5'9"
2008-03-08 02:13 < Messedrocker> i know GIRLS taller than you
2008-03-08 02:13 < Messedrocker> oh
2008-03-08 02:13 < Messedrocker> 5'9"
2008-03-08 02:13 < Messedrocker> that's roughly my height
2008-03-08 02:13 < gigo> in wikipedia if I put math formula within <math></math> how is it automatically converted to an image?
2008-03-08 02:14 < bumm13> 167.64 cm
2008-03-08 02:14 < AdamBishop> I know girls taller than me too
2008-03-08 02:14 < Messedrocker> gigo: the content between the math tags are interpreted by a math engine which generates an image
2008-03-08 02:14 < zocky> 5'6'' = 167.6
2008-03-08 02:14 < Messedrocker> specifically, LaTeX
2008-03-08 02:14 * Krimpet is 6'1". :p
2008-03-08 02:14 < AdamBishop> my girlfriend is slightly taller than me
2008-03-08 02:14 < zocky> you're all short little buggers, aren't you?
2008-03-08 02:14 < gigo> Messedrocker: what is that Math engine? can I use it for my website?
2008-03-08 02:14 < zocky> (not that I'm tall)
2008-03-08 02:14 < bumm13> zocky - :(
2008-03-08 02:14 < Messedrocker> it's called LaTeX, and it's very common
2008-03-08 02:14 * zocky is 173, and quite short for the local average
2008-03-08 02:14 < gigo> Messedrocker: ok. thank you.
2008-03-08 02:14 < Demi> Krimpet - you're female, right?
2008-03-08 02:14 < Messedrocker> It's basically a software application you use on a server
2008-03-08 02:14 * Krimpet could kick you boys' asses and give you cooties :o
2008-03-08 02:15 < bumm13> hahaha
2008-03-08 02:15 < AdamBishop> Krimpet is a GIRL! ON THE INTERNETS?!
2008-03-08 02:15 < Demi> hehe
2008-03-08 02:15 < bumm13> short != wimpy
2008-03-08 02:15 < AdamBishop> impossible!
2008-03-08 02:15 < Demi> well, i'm 6'1" and so is my wife
2008-03-08 02:15 < bumm13> I weigh more than most people much taller than me :x
2008-03-08 02:15 < AdamBishop> Demi, I'm Brian, and so is my wife
2008-03-08 02:15 < bumm13> (on top of being of thick build)
2008-03-08 02:16 < Demi> yes
2008-03-08 02:16 < Demi> i have to see that movie again
2008-03-08 02:16 < zocky> damn, we're all fat bastards here, aren't we?
2008-03-08 02:17 < Demi> i hope so!
2008-03-08 02:17 < zocky> we should start a channel weight-loss program
2008-03-08 02:17 < bumm13> at least I can still touch my toes :-p
2008-03-08 02:17 < zocky> we should Ask Elizabeth for some advice
2008-03-08 02:17 < Demi> haha, yes
2008-03-08 02:17 < bumm13> haha
2008-03-08 02:17 < Demi> "hi, we are a group of overweight longtime wikipedia editors..."
2008-03-08 02:17 < Messedrocker> i am within normal BMI range!
2008-03-08 02:17 < bumm13> zomg
2008-03-08 02:17 < Demi> Messedrocker - then leave.
2008-03-08 02:18 < Demi> :)
2008-03-08 02:18 < Messedrocker> fuck YOU, buddy!
2008-03-08 02:18 < bumm13> I probably was about 7 years ago
2008-03-08 02:18 < AdamBishop> I used to be when I was eating university dorm food and walking around campus everyday
2008-03-08 02:18 < AdamBishop> or, not eating dorm food, to be more precise
2008-03-08 02:18 < Demi> my weight goes up and down, i've been back to losing weight recently
2008-03-08 02:18 < bumm13> if I stopped taking my meds, my weight would probably slowly go done significantly
2008-03-08 02:18 < bumm13> *go down
2008-03-08 02:19 < bumm13> (but I really can't do that)
2008-03-08 02:19 * zocky goes have some morning exercise
2008-03-08 02:19 < zocky> see you in a few hours
2008-03-08 02:19 < bumm13> _o/
2008-03-08 02:19 < Demi> bye
2008-03-08 02:19 < bumm13> even when I was younger and in good shape, exercise never made me "feel good"
2008-03-08 02:19 < bumm13> it was always rather forced
2008-03-08 02:19 < Demi> bumm13 - like violence and XML, it just means you weren't doing enough of it
2008-03-08 02:20 < bumm13> heh
2008-03-08 02:20 < bumm13> :P
2008-03-08 02:20 < bumm13> my last peak mile time was 7:05 or so
2008-03-08 02:20 < bumm13> (in 1997)
2008-03-08 02:20 < AdamBishop> I used to like to walk more. I walked home from high school once, that was like 8 km
2008-03-08 02:21 < Demi> i think the last physical accomplishment i noted was a 12-mile hike a few years ago
2008-03-08 02:21 < bumm13> it'd probably take 20 min. now (as I wouldn't run it) :P
2008-03-08 02:21 < AdamBishop> I walked about the same distance home from work once, at 3 in the morning, that was interesting
2008-03-08 02:21 < Demi> AdamBishop - what's that, like forty rods?
2008-03-08 02:21 < AdamBishop> it's 12 isohectares
2008-03-08 02:21 < Demi> i claimed in a telephone screen today that hiking was one of my hobbies
2008-03-08 02:22 < Demi> i've hiked probably once in the last month
2008-03-08 02:22 < bumm13> 39.77 furlongs
2008-03-08 02:26 < E_Wing> I also walked home from school once.
2008-03-08 02:26 < E_Wing> Except I was in Grade 3 back then.
2008-03-08 02:27 < AdamBishop> yes, I did that too, when school was down the street
2008-03-08 02:27 < AdamBishop> I used to ride my bike when I lived in a nicer more nature-y city
2008-03-08 02:28 < Messedrocker> seattle?
2008-03-08 02:28 < AdamBishop> no.
2008-03-08 02:28 < E_Wing> But my school was in a different city than the city where I live.
2008-03-08 02:29 < E_Wing> Attempting to go home after that damn school bus left without me.
2008-03-08 02:29 < NotACow> death to schools
2008-03-08 02:29 < E_Wing> And now I'm in my last year in college, hopefully.
2008-03-08 02:29 < NotACow> death to blogs
2008-03-08 02:29 < NotACow> death to fuzzy petunias
2008-03-08 02:30 * Enterprise_Cat is now going to bed, good night!
2008-03-08 02:30 < E_Wing> Good night.
2008-03-08 02:30 < E_Wing> Oyasumi.
2008-03-08 02:30 < NotACow> murfle
2008-03-08 02:30 < Messedrocker> myrtle
2008-03-08 02:30 < NotACow> Messedrocker: bubinga
2008-03-08 02:30 < Messedrocker> bobonga?
2008-03-08 02:30 < NotACow> no, bubinga
2008-03-08 02:30 < NotACow> pernambuco
2008-03-08 02:30 < Messedrocker> bubushka?
2008-03-08 02:31 * NotACow goes to bed
2008-03-08 02:31 < AdamBishop> Tegucigalpa!
2008-03-08 02:31 < Enterprise_Cat> Au revoir mes amis, à demain!
2008-03-08 02:32 < Messedrocker> à demain, le chat d'enterprise
2008-03-08 02:32 < Enterprise_Cat> :)
2008-03-08 02:32 < Demi> Sucre! Or La Paz! You can never remeber!
2008-03-08 02:33 < E_Wing> Tch. Stupid Philippine politics.
2008-03-08 02:33 < E_Wing> Rallies here and there.
2008-03-08 02:33 < Messedrocker> go gloria arroyo?
2008-03-08 02:34 < E_Wing> Well...
2008-03-08 02:34 < E_Wing> No comment.
2008-03-08 02:35 < E_Wing> Messedrocker: Are you a Filipino?
2008-03-08 02:35 < Messedrocker> no
2008-03-08 02:35 < E_Wing> Oh
2008-03-08 02:35 < Messedrocker> i just know that the president of the phillippines is or was Gloria Arroyo
2008-03-08 02:35 < E_Wing> Its still her.
2008-03-08 02:36 < E_Wing> And now she could be sued for an agreement with China over a certain thing in the Spratlys.
2008-03-08 02:37 < E_Wing> Certain agreement, I mean.
2008-03-08 02:37 < Messedrocker> TOURIAN!
2008-03-08 02:39 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-03-08 02:39 < E_Wing> And my final exams starts next week.
2008-03-08 02:41 < Messedrocker> gay pride rainbow beam!
2008-03-08 02:44 < ScientesBonumEtM> register nick
2008-03-08 02:46 < AdamBishop> scientes bonum et quid?
2008-03-08 02:46 < E_Wing> Can someone see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AMontco&diff=cur&oldid=prev
2008-03-08 02:46 < AdamBishop> nomen incisum est!
2008-03-08 02:53 < Scientus> malum
2008-03-08 02:53 < Scientus> 'you shall be like the gods and know both good and evil'
2008-03-08 02:55 * Lubaf murders Scientus.
2008-03-08 02:55 * Lubaf hides the corpse.
2008-03-08 02:55 < Scientus> wtf!
2008-03-08 02:55 * Lubaf is quoted as saying "Am I my Scientus' keeper?" about the incident later.
2008-03-08 02:56 * AdamBishop tamquam deus sciens balneum et malleum est
2008-03-08 02:56 < Scientus> erititeritis sicut deus scientes bonum et malum
2008-03-08 02:56 < AdamBishop> cause you know it's important to distinguish your bath from your hammer
2008-03-08 02:58 < E_Wing> Stupid user
2008-03-08 02:59 < E_Wing> Got to delete this barnstar
2008-03-08 02:59 < Scientus> eritis sicut Deus, scientes bonum et malum [Genesis 3:5, 'Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil']
2008-03-08 03:00 < Scientus> its figurative dammit
2008-03-08 03:02 < AdamBishop> "Facta est vox ad eum: 'surge, Petre, et occide et manduca!"
2008-03-08 03:03 < Scientus> no clue what u just said
2008-03-08 03:03 < AdamBishop> "And a voice came to him: rise up, Peter, and kill and eat!"
2008-03-08 03:04 < AdamBishop> the Bible is so much more awesome in Latin
2008-03-08 03:04 < Scientus> yeah the auto translater is very weak
2008-03-08 03:04 < Lubaf> AdamBishop: Well, at least it's better than the relative values of orthographies.
2008-03-08 03:05 < Scientus> not a big bible buff and I just got my quote from faust
2008-03-08 03:05 < Lubaf> I still insist that Hindi sucks as a writing system, as does Chinese and any other language that has a lot of lines.
2008-03-08 03:06 < Scientus> with computers though isnt that all kinda irevelent now
2008-03-08 03:07 < AdamBishop> Arabic is the best writing system. Except for the lack of vowels
2008-03-08 03:07 < gwern> Lubaf: why not put a technical spin on it? Then you can make annoying arguments like 'alphabetical language is to ideographics as digital is to analog'
2008-03-08 03:07 < Lubaf> gwern: Doesn't really need it.
2008-03-08 03:08 < gwern> AdamBishop: what is so great about arabic?
2008-03-08 03:08 < Lubaf> The various characters are hard to distinguish, even in context, which makes them among the class of "suck" orthographies.
2008-03-08 03:08 < Scientus> why arabic, what does it have over latin or greek scripts
2008-03-08 03:08 < Lubaf> Scientus: It's actually worse, IIRC.
2008-03-08 03:08 < gwern> wut Scientus said
2008-03-08 03:08 < Lubaf> Too damn many curves, and no symbols for vowels.
2008-03-08 03:09 < AdamBishop> nothing, actually Latin is great, if you're not using it for English
2008-03-08 03:09 < Scientus> and what about word adoption---i guess that is another topic, but isnt it like hebrew
2008-03-08 03:09 < Scientus> allways needing to invent ways to say western things
2008-03-08 03:10 < Lubaf> Scientus: All languages do.
2008-03-08 03:10 < gwern> ok, so that leads to another question, why is the latin script a bad match for english?
2008-03-08 03:10 < Lubaf> Even English.
2008-03-08 03:10 < gwern> not enough letters?
2008-03-08 03:10 < Lubaf> gwern: Not so much that, as it got locked down while the spoken word was still in flux.
2008-03-08 03:10 < Scientus> i think its the wierd ways of writing the vowels
2008-03-08 03:11 < Scientus> why cant we do it like the germans or something
2008-03-08 03:11 < Lubaf> The printing press comes before the great vowel shift, which completely changed the way words were pronounced.
2008-03-08 03:11 < Scientus> phonetically
2008-03-08 03:11 < AdamBishop> Arabic is cool because you can make pictures with it
2008-03-08 03:11 < Lubaf> So English is stuck with spellings for pronunciations that no longer exist.
2008-03-08 03:12 < Scientus> how phonetic are all the romance languages?
2008-03-08 03:12 < Lubaf> On the plus side, that means that the spoken and written language are somewhat untethered from each other, while retaining their mutual ties, so English can borrow words freely.
2008-03-08 03:12 < Scientus> they seem quite good
2008-03-08 03:12 < gwern> Lubaf: like? I'm not a linguist, I don't know what examples you mean
2008-03-08 03:12 < Lubaf> Scientus: Varies.
2008-03-08 03:13 < AdamBishop> French is not, they have the same problem as English
2008-03-08 03:13 < Messedrocker> RESISTANCE BEGINS AT OHM
2008-03-08 03:13 < Scientus> german is amazing, but i guess that is largely due to the very recent standardizations and switch to the latin script?
2008-03-08 03:13 < Lubaf> gwern: Go out and read The Mother Tongue by Bill Bryson.
2008-03-08 03:13 < Lubaf> It goes into this in great detail.
2008-03-08 03:13 < gwern> ok
2008-03-08 03:13 < Lubaf> And is a fun read as well.
2008-03-08 03:14 < Lubaf> (If you want something more technical, I think we have an article on the great vowel shift...)
2008-03-08 03:14 < Lubaf> Ah, here it is: [[Great Vowel Shift]].
2008-03-08 03:17 < Lubaf> Sounds like a movie or something, doesn't it?
2008-03-08 03:17 < Scientus> dont you love wikipedia :)
2008-03-08 03:17 < Scientus> haseverything
2008-03-08 03:18 < DannyLilithborne> man
2008-03-08 03:18 < AdamBishop> German always used Latin script, just in a funky typeface
2008-03-08 03:18 < DannyLilithborne> all the wikidrama that goes on makes me want to violate [[WP:CIVIL]] badly
2008-03-08 03:18 < Scientus> those damn s's
2008-03-08 03:19 < Scientus> Adam: yeah i've even seen middle english printed with those s's
2008-03-08 03:20 < Scientus> i sent a email to google books about getting their OCD technology to recognize them
2008-03-08 03:20 < AdamBishop> yeah. Well even Latin used to be written like that, in the middle ages
2008-03-08 03:20 < Scientus> insteads of recording them as f's
2008-03-08 03:21 < Scientus> you think of google as this great nice establishment but they are impossible to get a hold of
2008-03-08 03:21 < Scientus> they do not like getting input
2008-03-08 03:22 < AdamBishop> google books needs more books that are useful to me
2008-03-08 03:22 < Scientus> agree
2008-03-08 03:23 < Scientus> ?
2008-03-08 03:24 < E_Wing> Hmm
2008-03-08 03:25 < E_Wing> 3 talkpage vandalisms in one day, interesting.
2008-03-08 03:28 < Scientus> are basic statistics copyrighted--like accurate molecular weights and densities and stuff??
2008-03-08 03:31 < Lycurgus> did you say OCD instead of OCR and if so, as a joke?
2008-03-08 03:33 < Lycurgus> Faktur is a latin script.
2008-03-08 03:33 < Lycurgus> *Fraktur
2008-03-08 03:33 < Scientus> oh whoops lycurgus
2008-03-08 03:34 < Lycurgus> thing is OCD, commonly would be "obsessive compulsive disorder", which I'm displaying right now.
2008-03-08 03:38 < Scientus> lol
2008-03-08 03:41 < Luna-San> Scientus: Raw facts cannot be copyrighted, no, because they're not a "creative work." They may sometimes be protected by other means, though.
2008-03-08 03:41 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> Windy with a few showers early then partly cloudy by the afternoon. High 63F. Winds WNW at 25 to 35 mph. Chance of rain 30%.
2008-03-08 03:41 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> Mainly clear. Low 37F. Winds NNW at 10 to 20 mph.
2008-03-08 03:41 < Mike_H> I can't handle the cold :(
2008-03-08 03:42 < AdamBishop> poor Mike
2008-03-08 03:42 < AdamBishop> we are getting a foot of snow!
2008-03-08 03:42 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: Our winds are going to be 35 mph
2008-03-08 03:42 < Mike_H> so while it'll get up to 63
2008-03-08 03:42 < Scientus> just wondering if we could like do bulk copies from other sources and then: protect that data as it would be accurate
2008-03-08 03:42 < Mike_H> our wind chill will be 45 :(
2008-03-08 03:43 < Scientus> cause bad technical data kills reputability like nothing else
2008-03-08 03:43 < AdamBishop> -6
2008-03-08 03:43 < AdamBishop> �C
2008-03-08 03:43 < AdamBishop> Feels Like: -13
2008-03-08 03:43 < AdamBishop> Wind gusts: 31km/h
2008-03-08 03:44 < AdamBishop> and 30cm of snow. So, yeah.
2008-03-08 03:44 < Mike_H> I'm in Florida
2008-03-08 03:44 < Mike_H> we don't get wind chills of 45 ever
2008-03-08 03:44 < Scientus> much worse than bad data on somthing debatable, there is allways a comonent of doubt then
2008-03-08 03:44 < Mike_H> especially not in March
2008-03-08 03:44 < AdamBishop> you suck!
2008-03-08 03:44 < Mike_H> and not this far down in Florida
2008-03-08 03:44 < Scientus> but it gets hot hot hot there
2008-03-08 03:44 < Mike_H> 9 a.m. 61 degrees. RealFeel: 52
2008-03-08 03:44 < Mike_H> 12 p.m. 63 degrees. RealFeel: 47
2008-03-08 03:45 < Mike_H> 3 p.m. 62 degrees. RealFeel: 43
2008-03-08 03:45 < Mike_H> 6 p.m. 53 degrees. RealFeel: 41.
2008-03-08 03:45 < Mike_H> so yeah, blah!
2008-03-08 03:45 < Scientus> HOT
2008-03-08 03:45 < Scientus> mesquitos
2008-03-08 03:47 < Luna-San> taquitos
2008-03-08 03:48 < Mike_H> Oh, and I forgot
2008-03-08 03:48 < Mike_H> we spring forward this weekend
2008-03-08 03:49 < Luna-San> The reasons for doing so still elude me, but good to remember.
2008-03-08 03:50 < Mike_H> So that means on Sunday, the sun will end up rising at 7:45 a.m.
2008-03-08 03:50 < Mike_H> and setting at 7:35 p.m.
2008-03-08 03:51 < Luna-San> We should all pretend to relive the hour of limbo, as though it hadn't yet happened.
2008-03-08 03:53 < Mike_H> Luna-San: I just hate when we have a cold snap and then like two days later it's as if it never happened
2008-03-08 03:53 < Mike_H> which is what's going to happen from Saturday to Tuesday
2008-03-08 03:53 < Mike_H> Saturday: 63/37
2008-03-08 03:53 < Mike_H> Tuesday: 80/58
2008-03-08 03:53 < Luna-San> Heh
2008-03-08 03:53 < Luna-San> Had that up in town, last two weeks
2008-03-08 03:54 < Mike_H> Luna-San: In the first week of March, we had a maximum high of 86
2008-03-08 03:54 < Mike_H> and a minimum low of 48
2008-03-08 03:54 < Mike_H> just weird swings
2008-03-08 03:54 < Mike_H> and tomorrow's low is going to bottom out the previous minimum
2008-03-08 03:55 < Luna-San> Merf
2008-03-08 03:56 < E_Wing> Mike_H: How's Florida?
2008-03-08 03:56 < Mike_H> muggy right now
2008-03-08 03:56 < Mike_H> cold tomorrow
2008-03-08 03:58 < E_Wing> We're experiencing an abnormal cold weather right now.
2008-03-08 03:58 < E_Wing> Chills every morning.
2008-03-08 03:58 < Mike_H> Where are you?
2008-03-08 03:59 < E_Wing> Here south of Manila.
2008-03-08 03:59 < E_Wing> Philippines
2008-03-08 03:59 < Mike_H> Oh, the PI! :DD
2008-03-08 04:00 < E_Wing> Mike_H: Please don't say IP hehehe
2008-03-08 04:00 < E_Wing> I mean PI
2008-03-08 04:00 < Mike_H> E_Wing: haha
2008-03-08 04:00 < Mike_H> well, that's what the Philippines' most annoying "gift" to America says
2008-03-08 04:01 < Mike_H> in that singsong voice she does
2008-03-08 04:01 < E_Wing> hahaha
2008-03-08 04:01 < Mike_H> Listening to her is like nails on a chalkboard, she really makes me want to cry
2008-03-08 04:01 < Mike_H> and she'll zigzag in and out of Tagalog and English so seamlessly
2008-03-08 04:01 < E_Wing> By the way, who is "PI"?
2008-03-08 04:02 < Mike_H> E_Wing: Oh, who loves saying PI?
2008-03-08 04:02 < E_Wing> AH
2008-03-08 04:02 < E_Wing> THAT ONE
2008-03-08 04:02 < Mike_H> E_Wing: You know who I'm talking about?
2008-03-08 04:02 < E_Wing> hahaha
2008-03-08 04:02 < E_Wing> I think so
2008-03-08 04:02 < Mike_H> Who?
2008-03-08 04:02 < E_Wing> Erm, wait
2008-03-08 04:02 < E_Wing> Who's that again?
2008-03-08 04:02 < E_Wing> hahaha
2008-03-08 04:02 < pengo> why does hollywood turn cartoons into live action?
2008-03-08 04:02 < E_Wing> sorry
2008-03-08 04:03 < Mike_H> "The P.I."
2008-03-08 04:03 < Mike_H> Philippine Islands
2008-03-08 04:03 < E_Wing> Ah
2008-03-08 04:03 < theINC> pengo: which one in particular are we talking about?
2008-03-08 04:03 < Mike_H> In the US at least, all Filipinos call the Philippines "the P.I."
2008-03-08 04:03 < E_Wing> I thought "that" PI
2008-03-08 04:03 < Mike_H> and the person who's on TV all the time
2008-03-08 04:03 < Mike_H> who uses that word
2008-03-08 04:03 < Mike_H> and makes me want to cry
2008-03-08 04:03 < Mike_H> is Kris Aquino
2008-03-08 04:04 < E_Wing> Oh no
2008-03-08 04:04 < E_Wing> HER?
2008-03-08 04:04 < Mike_H> Yeah, her
2008-03-08 04:04 < Mike_H> E_Wing: In the US one can get ABS-CBN on cable and her shit runs all the time, only like old ladies like her
2008-03-08 04:04 < E_Wing> Yes, I know
2008-03-08 04:04 < pengo> theINC: scooby doo II movie is on tv now
2008-03-08 04:05 < theINC> oh, that's horrible
2008-03-08 04:05 < theINC> they're apparently making a DBZ live action movie
2008-03-08 04:05 < theINC> no idea how that'll work out
2008-03-08 04:05 < pengo> how did the simpsons avoid the live action treatment?
2008-03-08 04:05 < Mike_H> Kris Aquino (born Kristina Bernadette Cojuangco Aquino on February 14, 1971 in Quezon City) is a television and movie personality in the Philippines.
2008-03-08 04:05 < theINC> pengo: thank god. i don't think it would be possible to make it live action.
2008-03-08 04:05 < E_Wing> Fortunately my TV here doesnt recieve that station's signal quite well
2008-03-08 04:05 < Mike_H> E_Wing: They rerun her old talk shows here
2008-03-08 04:05 < Mike_H> and she's really peppy
2008-03-08 04:06 < Mike_H> and I hate how she pronounces things in English, like she's talking in Vietnamese or something
2008-03-08 04:06 < Mike_H> English and Tagalog don't sound the same, honey
2008-03-08 04:06 < E_Wing> And she is involved in a certain sex scandal actually.
2008-03-08 04:07 < E_Wing> Although please do not say it to other people ok?
2008-03-08 04:07 < E_Wing> hehehe
2008-03-08 04:07 < Mike_H> E_Wing: haha
2008-03-08 04:07 < Mike_H> We used to get, I guess it was like Filipino Who Wants to Be a Millionaire
2008-03-08 04:07 < Mike_H> and she'd host it
2008-03-08 04:07 < Mike_H> and her voice, God
2008-03-08 04:08 < Mike_H> "TREE POINT THREE MEEEEEEEEEEEELLION PEHSOS!"
2008-03-08 04:08 < E_Wing> Yes
2008-03-08 04:08 < E_Wing> She also hosted other game shows here also.
2008-03-08 04:08 < Mike_H> If some accident happened to her, like lifetime laryngitis or something, I would not be sad
2008-03-08 04:09 < Luna-San> O_Q Never forget.
2008-03-08 04:09 < E_Wing> Although pity on her that she lost her dad while she was a teenager.
2008-03-08 04:09 < E_Wing> Her famous dad.
2008-03-08 04:09 < E_Wing> Tsk
2008-03-08 04:09 < Mike_H> E_Wing: Well, she had a strong enough mother didn't she
2008-03-08 04:09 < E_Wing> Well you're right
2008-03-08 04:09 < Mike_H> I mean, you don't become President for being weak
2008-03-08 04:10 < E_Wing> Although I think I prefer Marcos' administration over the administration today.
2008-03-08 04:11 < E_Wing> Except for the corruption and the human rights violations.
2008-03-08 04:11 < Mike_H> E_Wing: Well, it's hard to get back on the right track
2008-03-08 04:11 < Mike_H> when you have a strong-fisted president for over 20 years
2008-03-08 04:12 < E_Wing> Yes
2008-03-08 04:12 < Mike_H> it'll take getting used to, to get on the right track again
2008-03-08 04:12 < E_Wing> The one who made the Philippines to the top of SE Asia
2008-03-08 04:12 < Mike_H> Well, to be fair, look who else is in Southeast Asia
2008-03-08 04:12 < Mike_H> it isn't that hard to compete against Laos or Vietnam
2008-03-08 04:12 < E_Wing> The one who sent fighter jets to certain area in the Spratlys
2008-03-08 04:13 < E_Wing> Well I think its not yet late to go back on the right track
2008-03-08 04:15 < E_Wing> BTW, the "PI" I'm referring to is actually a mother-insult.
2008-03-08 04:15 < E_Wing> hehehehe
2008-03-08 04:15 < Mike_H> hahahaha
2008-03-08 04:15 < Mike_H> yeah, no, in the US all the Fil-Ams say "the PI"
2008-03-08 04:15 < Mike_H> to refer to back there.
2008-03-08 04:15 < E_Wing> Well yes
2008-03-08 04:16 < E_Wing> They do miss this country after all
2008-03-08 04:16 < Mike_H> the US still brings more opportunity though, even today
2008-03-08 04:16 < Mike_H> which is why the Fil-Am community is still growing
2008-03-08 04:17 < E_Wing> Yup
2008-03-08 04:17 < Mike_H> me and my family, we're just regular American
2008-03-08 04:17 < Mike_H> my dad was in the military
2008-03-08 04:17 < E_Wing> Added to the fact that I may migrate to Canada sometime next year
2008-03-08 04:17 < Mike_H> and we lived in Japan
2008-03-08 04:17 < Mike_H> and we wanted to go visit Manila
2008-03-08 04:17 < E_Wing> If all things worked well
2008-03-08 04:17 < Mike_H> and my mom's friend Julie
2008-03-08 04:17 < Mike_H> who is Filipino
2008-03-08 04:17 < Mike_H> told us, "Don't go to Manila, you'll be murdered"
2008-03-08 04:18 < E_Wing> Nah
2008-03-08 04:18 < E_Wing> she's wrong
2008-03-08 04:18 < Mike_H> Well, Julie grew up like, really poor, and she like fled in 1975 or so
2008-03-08 04:18 < E_Wing> She must say "Don't go to Manila, you'll be kidnapped by Muslim extremists and will be murdered".
2008-03-08 04:19 < E_Wing> hahaha
2008-03-08 04:19 < Mike_H> E_Wing: Well, apparently she was also a minority back then and treated badly
2008-03-08 04:19 < Mike_H> (she is half-Chinese)
2008-03-08 04:19 < E_Wing> Well, thats the situation 25 years after WW2
2008-03-08 04:19 < E_Wing> Ah
2008-03-08 04:19 < E_Wing> So thats why
2008-03-08 04:20 < E_Wing> Although actually I see a number of foreigners here while travelling to and from school.
2008-03-08 04:21 < E_Wing> Americans, Koreans, etc.
2008-03-08 04:21 < E_Wing> So I'd say its not bad after all
2008-03-08 04:21 < E_Wing> Just be carefull and be on the low profile
2008-03-08 04:21 < Mike_H> hm
2008-03-08 04:22 < Mike_H> One thing I find humorous about Filipino surnames is
2008-03-08 04:22 < Mike_H> they'll either be Spanish
2008-03-08 04:22 < E_Wing> And ask questions on the security guards.
2008-03-08 04:22 < Mike_H> or really long weird ones like Malunongbalatbat
2008-03-08 04:22 < E_Wing> Yup
2008-03-08 04:23 < AdamBishop> pilipino!
2008-03-08 04:23 < E_Wing> Well, that surname is funny
2008-03-08 04:23 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: honey, Americans use the F
2008-03-08 04:23 < E_Wing> I feel it funny
2008-03-08 04:23 < Mike_H> E_Wing: And there's a transition among Fil-Ams too
2008-03-08 04:23 < AdamBishop> but there is no F in Tagalog
2008-03-08 04:23 < Mike_H> because like, half of the second generation girls
2008-03-08 04:23 < Mike_H> they'll get their mother's maiden name as their middle name
2008-03-08 04:23 < E_Wing> Actually, I have a spanish surname
2008-03-08 04:24 < Mike_H> but the other half will just get an Anglicized regular middle name
2008-03-08 04:24 < E_Wing> Yeah
2008-03-08 04:24 < Mike_H> I think that's the bellwether to tell which ones are more Americanized
2008-03-08 04:24 < Mike_H> like my old friend Valerie, her middle name is Michelle
2008-03-08 04:24 < Mike_H> but my other friend Catherine, hers is Alfelor, because that's what her mother's name was
2008-03-08 04:27 < E_Wing> AdamBishop: There is no actually F in tagalog/filipino
2008-03-08 04:27 < E_Wing> All F's are converted to P's
2008-03-08 04:27 < E_Wing> I mean all tagalog words
2008-03-08 04:28 < E_Wing> Other dialects I don't know
2008-03-08 04:31 < Luna-San> As far as I know that holds true for most/all dialects, but all the Filipinos I've known spoke primarily Tagalog.
2008-03-08 04:31 < Luna-San> Or at any rate, all the ones I've known that bothered telling me which dialects they speak. ;)
2008-03-08 04:44 < bumm13> hiya Luna-San
2008-03-08 04:45 < E_Wing> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Filipino
2008-03-08 04:54 < E_Wing> Well, I'll gonna go out now before this laptop overheats.
2008-03-08 04:54 < E_Wing> Damn desktop computer
2008-03-08 04:55 < E_Wing> Good luck on you guys :-)
2008-03-08 04:58 * Luna-San nibbles on bumm13
2008-03-08 05:02 < pengo> uncyclopedia has an article on eye beams but wikipedia doesnt. how crap is wikipedia.
2008-03-08 05:02 < tarbo> hello $C
2008-03-08 05:04 < tarbo> hello #wikipedia
2008-03-08 05:06 < pengo> hello tarbo
2008-03-08 05:06 < tarbo> hello #wikipedia freenode
2008-03-08 05:06 < bumm13> we heard you the first time
2008-03-08 05:12 < tarbo> sorry, misaimed test :-(
2008-03-08 05:16 < bumm13> ah
2008-03-08 05:37 < yao_ziyuan> let us let 'External wikis' be a standard section name
2008-03-08 05:38 < yao_ziyuan> 'let ... let" is a funny pattern
2008-03-08 05:41 < yao_ziyuan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_component#External_wikis
2008-03-08 05:41 < yao_ziyuan> this is probably the first example
2008-03-08 05:42 < mo-full-joe> !bot
2008-03-08 05:42 < yao_ziyuan> i hope "External wikis" can be written into Wikipedia's style guide
2008-03-08 05:42 < mo-full-joe> !help
2008-03-08 05:46 < Luna-San> I know there's some debate over whether we should prefer external links to other wikis./
2008-03-08 05:46 < Luna-San> Some people have suggested a distinctive external link icon for wikis, too.
2008-03-08 05:47 < Luna-San> Though in the discussion I saw, people decided we might actually prefer to highlight free content, not wiki content.
2008-03-08 05:47 < Luna-San> CC stuff and whatnot.
2008-03-08 05:49 < yao_ziyuan> .
2008-03-08 05:49 < yao_ziyuan> since they're "external", you don't need to care about whether it's free or not
2008-03-08 05:49 < yao_ziyuan> anyway, a "free/unfree" icon and a "wiki" icon are not mutually exclusive
2008-03-08 05:50 < Luna-San> Nope. Although at some point it gets a bit confusing for readers.
2008-03-08 05:50 < yao_ziyuan> i emphasize external wikis so much because i believe the world's efforts can be maximally reused if all existing efforts (e.g. software components) are well indexed in a wiki
2008-03-08 05:51 < yao_ziyuan> not just software components
2008-03-08 05:51 < yao_ziyuan> for users, a wiki for software products
2008-03-08 05:51 < yao_ziyuan> wikipedia already documents lists of software products
2008-03-08 05:52 < yao_ziyuan> i think the spirit of wiki should be "infectious" like the effect of GPL
2008-03-08 05:53 < yao_ziyuan> i.e. wikipedia introduces you to a domain-specific wiki, and that domain wiki in turn introduces you to a more specific topic
2008-03-08 05:54 < yao_ziyuan> all the world goes to wikipedia for a knowledge portal, and ends up on their desired specifics via such a wiki chain
2008-03-08 06:03 < pengo> i think it should all just be on wikipedia
2008-03-08 06:03 < pengo> "notability" is a joke
2008-03-08 06:04 < Luna-San> Maintainability is an important concept, too.
2008-03-08 06:04 < Luna-San> But it seems to get swept under the rug. >.>
2008-03-08 06:04 < pengo> maintainability is rarely the problem
2008-03-08 06:05 < Luna-San> That's not what BLP subjects think. >.>
2008-03-08 06:05 < yao_ziyuan> 致 Solidot：Slashdot 的 Science 频道和 Wired News 的 Danger Room blog 一直是我订阅的最爱。Solidot
2008-03-08 06:05 < yao_ziyuan> 成为中国人的 Slashdot，我很高兴；matrix 致力于翻译 Slashdot 的 Science 新闻，我很认同；我的问题是，中国人也
2008-03-08 06:05 < yao_ziyuan> 应该有自己的 Wired News。看看日本人，他们有 slashdot.jp，有 http://wiredvision.jp，分别就是日文版的
2008-03-08 06:05 < yao_ziyuan> Slashdot 和 Wired News，其中很多都是翻译自美国的原版新闻。我一直认为向中国人民普及西方最新科技、军事、人伦新进展是很有意义的，希望与大家一起推进这个事业。
2008-03-08 06:06 < yao_ziyuan> sorry! wrong channel
2008-03-08 06:06 < Luna-San> Heh, my fingers jumped over to my ops hotkey on instinct. >.>
2008-03-08 06:07 < yao_ziyuan> you certainly can't be the one on a nuke launch pad
2008-03-08 06:08 < Luna-San> Haha
2008-03-08 06:08 < Luna-San> Wasn't aware there was a Japanese edition of Slashdot, though. Nifty.
2008-03-08 06:09 < yao_ziyuan> there is a chinese version of slashdot: solidot.org. i'm suggesting them to create a chinese wired news
2008-03-08 06:18 < Lady_Aleena> Hello all...let's say that one is editing an article where there may be a lot of redirects. Is there any way of creating a div class that will identify redirects?
2008-03-08 06:19 < Lady_Aleena> Also dab pages.
2008-03-08 06:25 * fajro is away: Gone away for now.
2008-03-08 06:27 < zvook> i guess everyone is in bed, Lady_Aleena
2008-03-08 06:27 < Lady_Aleena> I guess o.
2008-03-08 06:27 < Lady_Aleena> sp/o/so
2008-03-08 06:29 < zvook> there ought to be, it would be handy
2008-03-08 06:30 < yao_ziyuan> regarding maintainability, it seems, as wikipedia has more and more pages, it also has more and more watchers
2008-03-08 06:30 < yao_ziyuan> it's like bittorrent
2008-03-08 06:30 < AltiusBim2> I agree :D
2008-03-08 06:31 < AltiusBim2> (in reference to yao_ziyuan 's remarks)
2008-03-08 06:32 < yao_ziyuan> the only problem would be server load, if any
2008-03-08 06:33 < yao_ziyuan> (if there is any server overload)
2008-03-08 06:34 < AltiusBim2> yao_ziyuan: in which case the serving of Wikipedia would simply have to be itself moved to bittorrent :D
2008-03-08 06:34 < AltiusBim2> yao_ziyuan: in deed not merely in style
2008-03-08 06:34 < yao_ziyuan> i recall bittorrent.com has something called the BitTorrent DNA
2008-03-08 06:35 < AltiusBim2> I was not familiar with that
2008-03-08 06:35 < AltiusBim2> (nor am)
2008-03-08 06:35 < yao_ziyuan> designed to reduce server load for webpages and files
2008-03-08 06:35 < yao_ziyuan> it lets visitors serve the server content
2008-03-08 06:35 < yao_ziyuan> ...
2008-03-08 06:35 < AltiusBim2> excellent!
2008-03-08 07:11 < kamaji> How do I edit the top of a page?
2008-03-08 07:11 < kamaji> the edit button only seems to appear for the second entry
2008-03-08 07:12 < Lady_Aleena> Look above the article, there is a "tab" marked "edit."
2008-03-08 07:12 < kamaji> oh yeah ;P
2008-03-08 07:12 < kamaji> thanks
2008-03-08 07:12 < Lady_Aleena> "edit this page"
2008-03-08 07:12 < kamaji> got it ^^
2008-03-08 07:12 < kamaji> typo fixed :D
2008-03-08 07:54 < epflaum> Hi.
2008-03-08 08:55 * Gazimoff lurks
2008-03-08 09:04 * Gazimoff waves, tentatively
2008-03-08 09:05 * The359 shoots retroactively
2008-03-08 09:05 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-08 09:07 * Lady_Aleena waves without an adverb.
2008-03-08 09:07 < The359> fail
2008-03-08 09:09 < NotACow> SPLAT
2008-03-08 09:09 < NotACow> POOT SPLAT
2008-03-08 09:09 < NotACow> SPLAT POOT
2008-03-08 09:09 < The359> bowel trouble?
2008-03-08 09:10 * Gazimoff ponders for a moment, lacking courage to form a salutation verbally
2008-03-08 09:10 < Lady_Aleena> Do you think that an article on the 163 televsion series with connections to I Love Lucy would be kept or AfDd? I have notable sources for the information.
2008-03-08 09:12 < Gazimoff> Err... I am not entirely sure.
2008-03-08 09:13 < Lady_Aleena> brb
2008-03-08 09:14 < Gazimoff> I just help with stuff I think I might know something about.
2008-03-08 09:15 * Gazimoff is a bit of a Wikipedia newbie
2008-03-08 09:19 < Sense-Maker2007> Hello, Lady_Aleena. I would say. It's a thing of Luck at WP... so fare it has a higher relevance to the public, why not...
2008-03-08 09:23 < Lady_Aleena> I just don't want to write this, come back to it a few days later, and see those annoying citation needed tags on each and every line of the article.
2008-03-08 09:24 < Lady_Aleena> Also, it is currently an indented list. Finding where to break it up is difficult.
2008-03-08 09:26 < Gazimoff> How about either chronologically, or by genre, or by station or channel?
2008-03-08 09:27 < Lady_Aleena> Gazimoff, it starts in 1951 with some of the connectied series still on the air today.
2008-03-08 09:28 < Lady_Aleena> brb
2008-03-08 09:58 < Gazimoff> How about looking at it from another angle, such as how they make the connection? Is it a quotation, is it some kind of subtler reference, is it to do with plot elements or character similarities?
2008-03-08 10:38 < Zginder> Why is no one talking?
2008-03-08 10:38 < dungodung> there's nothing to talk about
2008-03-08 10:39 < Zginder> But, this is Wikipedia, there is always something to talk about.
2008-03-08 10:39 < Thehelpfulone2> Zginder - people start conversations... when they end that's it
2008-03-08 10:40 < dungodung> apparently not
2008-03-08 10:40 < Thehelpfulone2> then somebody starts another one
2008-03-08 10:40 < Thehelpfulone2> for example I could start a random conversation about bans and blocks
2008-03-08 10:40 < Thehelpfulone2> and the technical differences between them
2008-03-08 10:40 < Thehelpfulone2> and how they are coded - but I don't know anything about them
2008-03-08 10:41 < Thehelpfulone2> #mediawiki -- that would probably be the best channel ;)
2008-03-08 10:41 < Lady_Aleena> Gazimoff: If you are still here...some of the serires are spin-offs of other series, there are character crossovers, event crossovers, a single prop causes a crossover in several cases, locations bring in more, and company names brings in a few others. (I am editing and doing laundry today.)
2008-03-08 10:41 < Wegge> Thehelpfulone2 Let's have a conversation about our best recepies using broccoli as a prime ingredient, then :)
2008-03-08 10:42 < Thehelpfulone2> Wegge: XD
2008-03-08 10:42 < Traveler7> Did anyone see this: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/06/the_cult_of_wikipedia/
2008-03-08 10:43 < fruitbag> Hey, guys
2008-03-08 10:43 < fruitbag> I have a theory
2008-03-08 10:43 < Thehelpfulone2> which is o.o
2008-03-08 10:43 < fruitbag> I believe that if you draw a social map of friends from a reference person, then every single living human being could be traced.
2008-03-08 10:43 < fruitbag> ...you could trace everyone like this.
2008-03-08 10:43 < fruitbag> Friend trees.
2008-03-08 10:44 < Thehelpfulone2> good... now we don't want to test that :P
2008-03-08 10:44 < fruitbag> Think about it, guys?