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2008-03-07 22:16 < SaxPlayer> can't go out tonight
2008-03-07 22:16 < Kristopher> well ok, i thought it might be worth deleting since wikipedia might end up with a million of those once they get started :P
2008-03-07 22:17 < zocky> Daniel_Bush, lifespans for people who surviev childhood have hardly changed in last several hundred years
2008-03-07 22:17 < arcimboldo_> I'm not soo ture of that
2008-03-07 22:18 < Daniel_Bush> After everything we've done?
2008-03-07 22:18 < Messedrocker> uh
2008-03-07 22:18 < arcimboldo_> too sure ...
2008-03-07 22:18 < Messedrocker> actually it's more or less doubled
2008-03-07 22:18 < zocky> no, not for peopel who survived childhood
2008-03-07 22:18 < Messedrocker> it used to be 40
2008-03-07 22:18 < zocky> the total average lifespan has doubled
2008-03-07 22:18 < Messedrocker> now it's around 80
2008-03-07 22:18 < zocky> but that's becuase hardly anybody dies in childhood in developed coutnries these days
2008-03-07 22:18 < zocky> it used to be normal for half of children to die before age 10
2008-03-07 22:18 < arcimboldo_> zocky: Any data to support that? I'm convinced it's wrong.
2008-03-07 22:19 < scorchsaber> arcimboldo_: it sounds accurate
2008-03-07 22:19 < arcimboldo_> The numbers of 90- and 100-year olds has grown almost exponentially recently.
2008-03-07 22:19 < arcimboldo_> zocky: I agree to that, but I don't agree that remaining life expectancy for 20-year-olds hasn't increased.
2008-03-07 22:20 < zocky> arcimboldo_, it has increased, but not drammatically
2008-03-07 22:20 < zocky> I think that the number for slovenia is ~5 years
2008-03-07 22:21 < zocky> and even if numbers of 100-year olds quadruple, there's still so few of them that they don't really make a difference on the average
2008-03-07 22:21 < zocky> the vast majority of people still die before 90
2008-03-07 22:21 < arcimboldo_> The thing is that the over 80s, over 90s, and all other ranges have also increased.
2008-03-07 22:21 * bumm13 does not want to be alive at a potential age of 90
2008-03-07 22:21 < scorchsaber> bumm13: If you are as healthy as a 20 year-old?
2008-03-07 22:21 < scorchsaber> bumm13: It's possible, you know
2008-03-07 22:22 < bumm13> that won't happen in my case :p
2008-03-07 22:22 < scorchsaber> bumm13: You could maybe make yourself a gigantic walking cancer, for instance...
2008-03-07 22:22 < bumm13> in fact, my health (endurance and other issues) took a shit not long after I turned 21
2008-03-07 22:23 < cat> DEATH TO MYFACE!!!!
2008-03-07 22:24 < zocky> arcimboldo_, life exoectancy for 65 year olds, according to the Department of Health and Human Resources: 1900 - 11.9 years, 1997 - 17.7 years
2008-03-07 22:24 < SaxPlayer> hi bumm13
2008-03-07 22:24 < arcimboldo_> That's a quite dramatic increase of 50% in their life span
2008-03-07 22:24 < bumm13> the U.S. averae life expectancy for males isn't all that high
2008-03-07 22:24 < bumm13> hi SaxPlayer
2008-03-07 22:24 < zocky> arcimboldo_, yes, it's still 5 years
2008-03-07 22:25 < bumm13> (*average)
2008-03-07 22:25 < zocky> and it's 37 years at age 41
2008-03-07 22:26 < bumm13> Americans and heart disease, w00t!
2008-03-07 22:27 < zocky> all in all, I think it's safe to say that the lifespan of people who survive childhood hasn't increasef by more than 10 years in the last 100 years
2008-03-07 22:27 < arcimboldo_> Yep, in other countries the growth may be even stronger - US life expectancy has probably increased much less than in other coutnries.
2008-03-07 22:27 < zocky> which isn't that dramatic
2008-03-07 22:27 < arcimboldo_> zocky: 10 years is quite dramatic ...
2008-03-07 22:27 < zocky> arcimboldo_, nah, you were no more civilized in 1900 than most of the world
2008-03-07 22:27 < zocky> arcimboldo_, it hasn't doubled, as the common story goes
2008-03-07 22:27 < arcimboldo_> "you"?
2008-03-07 22:28 * Daniel_Bush marks this down on a list of things to say to ignite a nerd debate, right under "plane on a conveyor belt"
2008-03-07 22:28 < zocky> arcimboldo_, ah, I just assumed you were american
2008-03-07 22:28 < zocky> shame on me
2008-03-07 22:28 < arcimboldo_> zocky: btw you had been talking about "the last several hundred years" above.
2008-03-07 22:28 < zocky> should have known better
2008-03-07 22:28 < Daniel_Bush> I think this actually outdoes Kirk v. Picard
2008-03-07 22:28 < zocky> arcimboldo_, well, the main difference comes from antibiotics
2008-03-07 22:29 < zocky> so i'd say the largest increase has been since 1945, and before that it was probably pretty constant for a long time
2008-03-07 22:29 < arcimboldo_> zocky: I was thinking more about the impact of unhealthy lifestyle in the US - while the medical services are now comparable in other developed countries, the US population is impacted by obesity and heart disease.
2008-03-07 22:29 < zocky> arcimboldo_, ah, that happens elsewhere too
2008-03-07 22:30 < zocky> not all places are as extreme as US and UK, but the westerners are generally getting fat
2008-03-07 22:30 < arcimboldo_> yeah, but to a lower extent.
2008-03-07 22:31 < arcimboldo_> Slovenia may still have a few years to gain.
2008-03-07 22:31 < bumm13> thank corn byproduct and excess carbohydrates in general for much of that
2008-03-07 22:31 < arcimboldo_> Like in the former GDR, life expectancy was a couple of years lower than in the West.
2008-03-07 22:31 < Leslie_S> is it bad for a woman to ask a female friend to wax their body?
2008-03-07 22:31 < bumm13> excess protein (along with those other factors) doesn't help any
2008-03-07 22:31 < zocky> arcimboldo_, yeah, but life in GDR sucked, and it didn't suck here
2008-03-07 22:31 < arcimboldo_> Leslie_S: to what end?
2008-03-07 22:31 < bumm13> in the U.S., I think Texas has the highest rate of obesity
2008-03-07 22:32 * SaxPlayer blows snow towards bumm13
2008-03-07 22:32 < bumm13> snow? :x
2008-03-07 22:32 < Leslie_S> arcimboldo_ to the end of one female having smooth hairless skin?
2008-03-07 22:32 < SaxPlayer> bumm13, exactly
2008-03-07 22:32 < scorchsaber> HAHAH, I love that, of all things, falafel is a protected article. :D
2008-03-07 22:32 < arcimboldo_> Leslie_S: I would say "depends"
2008-03-07 22:32 < zocky> arcimboldo_, our average life expectancy is still increasing slowly, but the end of socialism wasn't a factor in that
2008-03-07 22:32 < SaxPlayer> I want to work in the fattest town in USA when i finish my nutrition diploma
2008-03-07 22:32 < Krimpet> Leslie_S: rotary epilators are your friend. :)
2008-03-07 22:33 < arcimboldo_> SaxPlayer: Sound like a nightmare to me
2008-03-07 22:33 < Krimpet> ...I guess they're not, then? :p
2008-03-07 22:33 < quanticle> SaxPlayer: You want to work in Philly?
2008-03-07 22:33 < SaxPlayer> maybe :)
2008-03-07 22:34 < zocky> look, people, I'm too fat for my own good. I eat large meals, and I eat a lot of chocolate and other stuff that I shouldn't in between. but the average kid I saw in england was twice my weight.
2008-03-07 22:34 < zocky> i just can't fathom how much those people eat.
2008-03-07 22:34 < SaxPlayer> zocky, let's go workout :)
2008-03-07 22:34 < Lesli_S> arcimboldo_ so ...is that acceptable?
2008-03-07 22:34 < quanticle> Whoa. And I thought we ate unhealthy here in America...
2008-03-07 22:34 < SaxPlayer> let's go to the gym :)
2008-03-07 22:34 < Lesli_S> arcimboldo_ she already has a boyfriend anyway
2008-03-07 22:34 < Krimpet> Lesli_S: have you tried a rotary epilator?
2008-03-07 22:35 < SaxPlayer> i did try a rotary epilator too
2008-03-07 22:35 < SaxPlayer> it's painful as hell
2008-03-07 22:35 < SaxPlayer> lol
2008-03-07 22:35 < arcimboldo_> Lesli_S: I think it depends completely on circumstances, kind of personal relationship, tone in which this is asked for, etc ...
2008-03-07 22:35 < SaxPlayer> psssst, i'm a guy :)
2008-03-07 22:35 * Krimpet doesn't speculate why <_<
2008-03-07 22:35 < arcimboldo_> I think you can better judge the situation than us by remote diagnosis
2008-03-07 22:36 < quanticle> What is a rotary epilator?
2008-03-07 22:36 < Lesli_S> arcimboldo_ totally not sexual at all, just good friends.
2008-03-07 22:36 < SaxPlayer> Krimpet, i chose the technological way to remove chest hair and trim armpit hair too
2008-03-07 22:36 < Lesli_S> Krimpet i cant find one!
2008-03-07 22:36 < zocky> how is epilator different from depilator?
2008-03-07 22:36 < Lesli_S> Krimpet walmart doesnt even sell them ;/
2008-03-07 22:36 < zocky> do you use it for epilation?
2008-03-07 22:36 < Lesli_S> zocky depilation is removing hair at the surface.
2008-03-07 22:36 < Rinn> Sounds like some kind of car part.
2008-03-07 22:36 < Lesli_S> epilation is ripping it out by the root.
2008-03-07 22:36 < Krimpet> quanticle: it's a little razor-like thing that pulls out hairs really fast at the root
2008-03-07 22:36 < Rinn> "You need your rotary epilator replaced."
2008-03-07 22:37 < SaxPlayer> i chose laser :)
2008-03-07 22:37 < Krimpet> Lesli_S: Amazon.com :)
2008-03-07 22:37 < quanticle> Krimpet: <wince>
2008-03-07 22:37 < SaxPlayer> Krimpet, do you prefer laser or wax or electrolysis?
2008-03-07 22:37 < Lesli_S> Rinn i have a rotary oil filter in my honda :P
2008-03-07 22:37 < zocky> ah, so epilator gives you hairless skin AND follicle inflamation?
2008-03-07 22:37 < zocky> that's 2 in 1!
2008-03-07 22:37 < Lesli_S> zocky well the purpose is that it lasts a lot longer.
2008-03-07 22:37 * quanticle prefers a disposable or electric razor
2008-03-07 22:37 < SaxPlayer> hmm
2008-03-07 22:38 < SaxPlayer> must not forget to go to the tanning salon tomorrow :)
2008-03-07 22:38 < Krimpet> zocky, it gives me flashbacks of chicken pox for a week after I use it. I only use it on my days off :p
2008-03-07 22:38 < SaxPlayer> http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/62-4427823SPA67UC331827M.jpg
2008-03-07 22:38 < SaxPlayer> here's one
2008-03-07 22:38 < Lesli_S> you know, its funny that [[falafel]] is protected, but atleast its not [[farfalli]]
2008-03-07 22:38 < Krimpet> SaxPlayer: that's the exact one I have
2008-03-07 22:38 < Lesli_S> hmm, how do you spell that
2008-03-07 22:38 < zocky> yeah, my girlfriend once tried one of those
2008-03-07 22:39 < zocky> after some screaming and swearing, it got fired
2008-03-07 22:39 < SaxPlayer> it's painful :0
2008-03-07 22:39 < zocky> [[falafel]] is protected?
2008-03-07 22:39 < zocky> wtf?
2008-03-07 22:39 < Krimpet> Lesli_S: http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Norelco-HP6409-Satinelle-Epilator/dp/B000EX697G/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1204947553&sr=8-1 <- probably your best bet, it's cheap. :)
2008-03-07 22:39 < SaxPlayer> when i got my first chest hair, i shaved it, then veet'd it, rotary epilator , then i chose laser
2008-03-07 22:40 * SaxPlayer puts veet in zocky's hair
2008-03-07 22:40 < scorchsaber> Lesli_S: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=farfalli&go=Go ?
2008-03-07 22:41 < zocky> when I got my first chest hair, I was proud of it for a month
2008-03-07 22:41 < scorchsaber> I didn't notice
2008-03-07 22:41 < SaxPlayer> lol
2008-03-07 22:41 < Lesli_S> scorchsaber thats a fucked up url
2008-03-07 22:41 < scorchsaber> not until it was a patch about 2 inches in diameter
2008-03-07 22:41 < Lesli_S> scorchsaber especially when its spelled wrong.
2008-03-07 22:41 < SaxPlayer> veet is crap
2008-03-07 22:41 < Lesli_S> i dont know how to spell it.
2008-03-07 22:41 < scorchsaber> Lesli_S: I'm wondering why you're mentioning an article that doesn't exist. :x
2008-03-07 22:42 < Lesli_S> scorchsaber its a type of noodle. i must be spelling it wrong.
2008-03-07 22:42 < zocky> zomg, they're having a jew/arab thing over falafel
2008-03-07 22:42 < Lesli_S> ok, atleast its not [[macaroni]] being protected
2008-03-07 22:42 * zocky slams head against keyboard
2008-03-07 22:42 < Krimpet> ugh, the nationalist wars go on and on -_-
2008-03-07 22:42 * SaxPlayer peeks
2008-03-07 22:42 < Lesli_S> zocky what the FUCK?
2008-03-07 22:43 < scorchsaber> Why did it take everybody a page and 10 minutes to respond to me comment about the falafel page? D:
2008-03-07 22:43 * Krimpet still thinks we should serve up special POV forks instead to people geolocated in problematic areas :x
2008-03-07 22:43 < quanticle> Krimpet: Which particular nationalist war are you talking about today? Macedonia/Greece? Venezuela/Ecuador? Serbia/Kosovo? Israel/Palestine?
2008-03-07 22:43 < Krimpet> quanticle: Israel/Palestine, at [[falafel]]
2008-03-07 22:43 < quanticle> Ah ok.
2008-03-07 22:43 < zocky> <<Yes, falafel is usually considered Egyptian (though that is hard to prove). And of course there is deep-frying without electricity -- that's not the issue. The issue is that bedouins are nomads. Deep-frying is not a typical cooking technique for nomads. It is more likely that it is a city vendor's snack in origin.>>
2008-03-07 22:44 < zocky> oh yeah, nomads can't deep fry
2008-03-07 22:44 < zocky> that makes so much sense
2008-03-07 22:44 < SaxPlayer> fuck, i hate deep frying
2008-03-07 22:44 < SaxPlayer> lol
2008-03-07 22:44 < LOUD_CAT> KRIMPET!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-03-07 22:44 < Messedrocker> Israpalstein
2008-03-07 22:44 < Messedrocker> LOUD CAT IS LOUD
2008-03-07 22:44 < Lesli_S> zocky how do nomads deep fry?
2008-03-07 22:44 < scorchsaber> Lesli_S: with a fire.
2008-03-07 22:44 < cat> HI LOUD_CAT!!!!!
2008-03-07 22:44 * Krimpet meeps as her eardrums burst
2008-03-07 22:45 < cat> HOW ARE YOU?
2008-03-07 22:45 < Lesli_S> dont these people cite sources?
2008-03-07 22:45 < zocky> Lesli_S, depends on the thickness of their skin, but most fry quite well
2008-03-07 22:45 * CAT HUGGLES LOUD_CAT LOUDLY
2008-03-07 22:45 < quanticle> zocky: Yeah, because nomads oooobbbvvviiioooouuusllly don't have enough heat sources to boil cooking oil. /sarcasm
2008-03-07 22:45 < scorchsaber> zocky: HAHAHAH
2008-03-07 22:45 < Lesli_S> scorchsaber the heat is easy. i was wondering about where the oil came from, and the container to heat the oil in.
2008-03-07 22:45 < scorchsaber> Lesli_S: Fat.
2008-03-07 22:45 < Lesli_S> even the container wouldnt be that hard.
2008-03-07 22:45 < Lesli_S> scorchsaber whered the fat come from?
2008-03-07 22:45 < scorchsaber> Lesli_S: From sheep, or similar.
2008-03-07 22:45 < quanticle> Lesli_S: Lard
2008-03-07 22:45 < Lesli_S> scorchsaber oh. thats gross, but ok.
2008-03-07 22:45 < quanticle> From dead animals
2008-03-07 22:46 < scorchsaber> Yeah
2008-03-07 22:46 < quanticle> Lesli_S: Also nothing preventing them from collecting palm oil...
2008-03-07 22:46 < User____> Does wikipedia have a search function for user/usertalk pages?
2008-03-07 22:46 < quanticle> There's plenty of palm trees in that part of the world
2008-03-07 22:46 < zocky> nomads generally buy stuff like pots and oil from settlers
2008-03-07 22:46 < zocky> they're nomads, not aliens
2008-03-07 22:46 < scorchsaber> But yeah, they had access to everything needed
2008-03-07 22:47 < scorchsaber> Bedouins had sheep or camels, and they could easily make fire, and they could make or get containers like pots etc.
2008-03-07 22:47 < Lesli_S> hmm
2008-03-07 22:48 < Lesli_S> why the fuck are these people arguing this?
2008-03-07 22:48 < Lesli_S> even if it was outlandishly crazy, where are the goddamn reliable sources?
2008-03-07 22:48 < scorchsaber> RINNRINNRINNRINN: no.
2008-03-07 22:48 < Krimpet> User____: yes, though it blows :)
2008-03-07 22:48 < zocky> Lesli_S, i once thought I understood, but I gave up
2008-03-07 22:48 < Krimpet> you can select the namespaces you want to search on the search page
2008-03-07 22:48 < scorchsaber> Krimpet: The wikipedia search function in general blows. :x
2008-03-07 22:48 < scorchsaber> Krimpet: I generally have better luck using google to redirect me to wikipedia.
2008-03-07 22:49 < scorchsaber> Google, after all, can correct mistaken spelling. :(
2008-03-07 22:49 < Krimpet> scorchsaber: yeah, the only problem though is that some NS's aren't indexed by Google
2008-03-07 22:49 < scorchsaber> :<
2008-03-07 22:49 < SaxPlayer> hmm
2008-03-07 22:49 < SaxPlayer> what should i make for a snack
2008-03-07 22:49 < Leslie_S> zocky these people are total morons
2008-03-07 22:49 < SaxPlayer> english muffins or a montreal style bagel
2008-03-07 22:49 < quanticle> SaxPlayer: A sandwich
2008-03-07 22:50 < Leslie_S> how can you even begin to have a revert war on an article about ...food?
2008-03-07 22:50 < scorchsaber> SaxPlayer: Tuna fish sandwich
2008-03-07 22:50 < quanticle> SaxPlayer: I choose Option C: Sandwich
2008-03-07 22:50 < zocky> Lesli_S, i understand why palestinians and israelis are fighting the war, and why neither side wants to give up. I don't understand why jews from around the world (helped by right-wingers) and arabs from around the world (helped by left-wingers and some other jews from all around the world) endlessly argue over stupidities.
2008-03-07 22:50 < scorchsaber> TUNA sandwich
2008-03-07 22:50 * quanticle points to scorchsaber
2008-03-07 22:50 < Messedrocker> SimSandwic
2008-03-07 22:50 < SaxPlayer> fuck a sandwich
2008-03-07 22:50 < Messedrocker> SimSandwich
2008-03-07 22:50 < quanticle> SaxPlayer: I'd rather not, thanks.
2008-03-07 22:50 < scorchsaber> SaxPlayer: That's not as fun as you'd think.
2008-03-07 22:50 < SaxPlayer> I will warm up a bagel
2008-03-07 22:50 < scorchsaber> uh
2008-03-07 22:50 < quanticle> scorchsaber: You'd know?
2008-03-07 22:50 < scorchsaber> quanticle: ;)
2008-03-07 22:50 < SaxPlayer> and i'll put a few slices of smoked salmon
2008-03-07 22:50 < SaxPlayer> how's that?
2008-03-07 22:51 < SaxPlayer> with a side of light cream cheese
2008-03-07 22:51 < Messedrocker> schmear!
2008-03-07 22:52 < SaxPlayer> okay
2008-03-07 22:52 < SaxPlayer> it's ready
2008-03-07 22:52 < SaxPlayer> and it's a poppy seed bagel
2008-03-07 22:52 < SaxPlayer> :)
2008-03-07 22:52 < Messedrocker> hmmm
2008-03-07 22:52 < Messedrocker> can you get me an egg bagel
2008-03-07 22:52 < Messedrocker> with butter on it?
2008-03-07 22:53 < SaxPlayer> come see me and i'll make you one :)
2008-03-07 22:53 < SaxPlayer> even better
2008-03-07 22:53 < SaxPlayer> how about some slices of smoked meat from Schwartz's
2008-03-07 22:53 * quanticle wants an egg McMuffin w/cheese
2008-03-07 22:53 * SaxPlayer gags
2008-03-07 22:54 < quanticle> I haven't had one since I decided to start eating healthy.
2008-03-07 22:54 < quanticle> Yeah, that whole "not dying of a heart attack at age 45" thing was pretty appealing.
2008-03-07 22:55 < The359> Sausage McMuffin FTW
2008-03-07 22:55 < quanticle> The359: Meh. Sausage McMuffin is a bit greasy even for me.
2008-03-07 22:56 < scorchsaber> SaxPlayer: Eat a few of those
2008-03-07 22:56 < scorchsaber> SaxPlayer: And take a drug test. :D
2008-03-07 22:56 < SaxPlayer> heh
2008-03-07 22:56 * Messedrocker like the omelette croissant from dunkin donuts
2008-03-07 22:56 < SaxPlayer> traces of opiacides
2008-03-07 22:56 < quanticle> Messedrocker: I like Perkins' 3-egg omelettes...
2008-03-07 22:56 < SaxPlayer> quanticle, tonight, i ate Couscous with portobello mushrooms
2008-03-07 22:57 < quanticle> SaxPlayer: That is most delicious
2008-03-07 22:57 < Messedrocker> they're very good with ketchup
2008-03-07 22:57 < zocky> Look Mildew I said ON THE FRONT PAGE SPECIFICALLY WHAT IS ON THE FRONT PAGE and I can see exactly what you said which is a child molestor not only perverted but corrupted by accepting other perverts. You are the casual acceptance, fickface, that I had in mind when displaying this idea. The local nutcase is easy because when he does something wrong he makes a lot of noise but the casual fickface keeps quiet and promotes it on the internet. Y
2008-03-07 22:57 < zocky> ou are the fickface that makes a nice bloke slit throats. Wow, I can really see this idea getting somewhere. And your page says you are an administrator. With that comment an administrator should be cancelled. What kind of thing is that to administrate the encyclopedia?
2008-03-07 22:57 * Messedrocker has cold pizza in the frig
2008-03-07 22:57 * SaxPlayer smells a flood
2008-03-07 22:57 < quanticle> zocky: Wut?
2008-03-07 22:57 < SaxPlayer> with a few sun dried tomatoes
2008-03-07 22:57 < SaxPlayer> hmm
2008-03-07 22:57 < SaxPlayer> should i watch a movie tonight?
2008-03-07 22:57 < zocky> apparently, having the FA about the nudie game in GTA on the front page makes us all child molesters in spirit
2008-03-07 22:57 < SaxPlayer> I bought a few Blu-Ray DVD's
2008-03-07 22:57 < SaxPlayer> lol wut?
2008-03-07 22:58 < quanticle> zocky: The FA was about the Hot Coffee mod?
2008-03-07 22:58 < zocky> quanticle, yes
2008-03-07 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> no, it was not
2008-03-07 23:00 < Ceiling_Cat> it was about the oblivion IV topless mod
2008-03-07 23:00 < quanticle> So did anyone else hear about the massive deforestation of monarch butterfly habitat in Mexico?
2008-03-07 23:01 < quanticle> I ask because today's FP is a butterfly...
2008-03-07 23:01 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-03-07 23:01 < Krimpet> that was a complete non-story in the media when it happened, compared to the GTA thing :p
2008-03-07 23:01 < SaxPlayer> okay
2008-03-07 23:02 < SaxPlayer> good night everyone
2008-03-07 23:02 < quanticle> Krimpet: Probably because Oblivion is definitely less well known in the main stream media, since its PC-only and doesn't have any other controversial aspects.
2008-03-07 23:03 < Krimpet> it was on the Xbox 360 too IIRC
2008-03-07 23:03 < Messedrocker> sexbox three-69
2008-03-07 23:03 < zocky> Ceiling_Cat, we had that in the last few days too?
2008-03-07 23:04 < zocky> "Is a link to Hot coffee on the front page featured articled combined with a wikipedia 1.0 promotion to schools a bit bold?"
2008-03-07 23:04 < zocky> nah, it was about the hot coffee mod
2008-03-07 23:04 < quanticle> Krimpet: Well, it was ported to the 360 a little bit after it came out for PC. I believe that it also might have been ported to the PS3.
2008-03-07 23:05 * Mike_H NP: Mary Jane Girls - In My House (1985)
2008-03-07 23:06 < Messedrocker> lol PS3
2008-03-07 23:06 < quanticle> Messedrocker: I'm still thinking that PS3 will overtake the 360 over the long term.
2008-03-07 23:06 < gwern> 'SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- In a dramatic about-face, Ask.com is abandoning its effort to outshine Internet search leader Google Inc. and will instead focus on a narrower market consisting of married women looking for help managing their lives.'
2008-03-07 23:06 < quanticle> Of course the Wii has the #1 spot by a huge margin.
2008-03-07 23:07 < Messedrocker> quanticle, Sony needs to stop tossing salad first
2008-03-07 23:07 < quanticle> gwern: From the Onion?
2008-03-07 23:07 < quanticle> Messedrocker: It'll be because the PS3 will be the most economical Blu-Ray player, just like the PS2 was a pretty economical DVD player.
2008-03-07 23:08 < gwern> quanticle: no. http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/03/05/ask.makeover/index.html
2008-03-07 23:08 < gwern> certainly sounds like it, dunnit
2008-03-07 23:09 < The359> BD-ROMs are still cheaper than a PS3
2008-03-07 23:09 < The359> but the PS3 obviously offers a lot more in terms of total package
2008-03-07 23:09 < quanticle> gwern: Yeah. WTF? Reality and satire are getting increasingly hard to differentiate these days.
2008-03-07 23:10 < zocky> yay for japanese knotweed
2008-03-07 23:10 < gwern> quanticle: oh, I passed that point a long time ago. approximately a little while after the iraq invasion when I read the Onion article 'Our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is over!'
2008-03-07 23:11 < zocky> apparently, there are no male plants in europe at all, and the general infestation with the thing is all cloned fro a single female plant brought in 19th century
2008-03-07 23:11 < quanticle> The359: Also, PS3 allows for free online play, while you have to pay to get multiplayer functionality on XBox Live.
2008-03-07 23:11 < gwern> damn women
2008-03-07 23:12 < quanticle> zocky: So its capable of asexual reproduction, like aspen?
2008-03-07 23:12 < zocky> quanticle, like many plants
2008-03-07 23:12 < quanticle> zocky: Or is it merely self-fertilizing?
2008-03-07 23:12 < zocky> quanticle, it can grow from a tiny bit of a root
2008-03-07 23:12 < quanticle> Ah. Asexual reproduction, then.
2008-03-07 23:12 < zocky> and it has roots 15 meters wide and 3 meters deep
2008-03-07 23:12 < zocky> the thing is indestructable
2008-03-07 23:13 < quanticle> zocky: Sounds like one tough weed. Rather like kudzu
2008-03-07 23:13 < zocky> you see a few leaves somewhere one year, and whole bushes the next
2008-03-07 23:14 < quanticle> Yep. Kudzu is like that. Also, water millfoil has that same choking effect.
2008-03-07 23:14 < User____> Back
2008-03-07 23:15 < akappa> Hi
2008-03-07 23:16 < akappa> Anybody here knows a wikitext parser/tokenizer library in java?
2008-03-07 23:16 < akappa> I've found a wikitokenizer in Lucene, but it's horrible...
2008-03-07 23:17 < gwern> akappa: I don't think #haskell is the best place for such a question. mebbe ask #java
2008-03-07 23:17 < akappa> gwern, this is #wikipedia.
2008-03-07 23:18 < gwern> it is? oops
2008-03-07 23:18 < akappa> ;)
2008-03-07 23:18 * gwern got confused, since I'm usually on #haskell
2008-03-07 23:18 < gwern> well, alright, this still isn't #java so my larger point stands? :)
2008-03-07 23:18 < Krimpet> gwern: a wikitext library... it's on topic. :)
2008-03-07 23:18 < akappa> Mmh, yeah, that question is relatively OT here
2008-03-07 23:19 < akappa> relatively :P
2008-03-07 23:19 < Krimpet> akappa: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Creating_a_bot#Java
2008-03-07 23:19 < gwern> Krimpet: ah, but then I'd counter with a refer to #mediawiki or #wikitech or wherever
2008-03-07 23:19 < akappa> Krimpet, okay, i'll see
2008-03-07 23:20 < Krimpet> gwern: people unfamiliar with our breadth of IRC channels might not know about them. #wikipedia is our "lobby." :)
2008-03-07 23:20 < akappa> Krimpet, I'm wrong or "wikitext" isn't strictly associated with wikipedia's notation, but it's a more abstract concept?
2008-03-07 23:21 < Krimpet> akappa: most "wikipedia" bots work on any MediaWiki wiki
2008-03-07 23:21 < gwern> akappa: there are a lot of different formats that wikis use for easy markup
2008-03-07 23:21 < akappa> gwern, yeah, and all of them uses wikitext, right? :P
2008-03-07 23:21 < gwern> there's markdown, there's the syntax defined by mediawiki's PHP parser, there's oddmuse markup, there's the old stuff Ward's Wiki used, and so on
2008-03-07 23:21 < Krimpet> MW's syntax is probably the most widespread dialect of wikitext, though there's also the more CamelCase-like variants, and others
2008-03-07 23:21 < gwern> akappa: if by wikitext, you meant they are all textual, then yes!
2008-03-07 23:22 < zocky> all questions are OT here
2008-03-07 23:22 < zocky> some are On Topic, others are Off Topic
2008-03-07 23:22 < Krimpet> all questions must be directed to our Operating Thetans. hail Xenu. :p
2008-03-07 23:23 < gwern> actually,f rot aht matter, no doubt some of the GUI WYSIWYG wikis don't even have textual markup
2008-03-07 23:23 < gwern> as a wikimedian, you have the wonderful feeling. when you pass an article on a car crash, you know you are the only one who has the power to help
2008-03-07 23:24 < gwern> that's why I think it's so important
2008-03-07 23:24 * gwern knows the history of encyclopedia britannica! I know how they're hurting people
2008-03-07 23:26 < akappa> mmh, what I want is to get a plaintext version of all wikipedia's article; I've downloaded the dump, parsed the XML and get the individual wikitext of each article, now I'll want to "clean" them from the markup
2008-03-07 23:26 < akappa> it is really a simple work, but I can't find the tools :P
2008-03-07 23:27 < gwern> ...guess my tom cruise parodies aren't soo good then
2008-03-07 23:27 < gwern> akappa: why not just download the HTML pages and pipe them through html2text?
2008-03-07 23:27 < gwern> or even easier, use elinks/lynx's textual dump feature
2008-03-07 23:27 < gwern> $ elinks -dump http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page > main-page.txt
2008-03-07 23:28 < akappa> gwern, because isn't allowed to do millions of query :P
2008-03-07 23:28 < gwern> so be lazy, do the parsing on demand
2008-03-07 23:29 < gwern> someone asks for the mainpage, download it then and cache it; someone asks for [[foo]] then and only then download and parse it, etc
2008-03-07 23:29 < akappa> nope, I have to do a statistical analysis and I need the whole corpora :P
2008-03-07 23:29 < gwern> haskellers have a say, every problem can be solved by making your program either lazier or stricter
2008-03-07 23:30 < akappa> I've to find synonym by exploring similarities in the contexts of words
2008-03-07 23:30 < akappa> wikipedia is a great source of natural language!
2008-03-07 23:31 < gwern> so is the web
2008-03-07 23:31 < akappa> wikipedia is also content-rich ;)
2008-03-07 23:31 < akappa> you can find virtually all the meanings of a word
2008-03-07 23:31 < gwern> the web is infinitely rich, as it is all content
2008-03-07 23:32 < akappa> so?
2008-03-07 23:32 < CAT> has anyone watched moment of truth?
2008-03-07 23:32 < CAT> is it good?
2008-03-07 23:32 < akappa> :P
2008-03-07 23:32 < The359> Can I link to something on YouTube that isn't copyrighted? For an article?
2008-03-07 23:32 < CAT> yep
2008-03-07 23:32 < CAT> you can
2008-03-07 23:35 < The359> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_dUyWlDIBs I'm writing an article on this puppy
2008-03-07 23:38 < CAT> O_o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6atR3M5Iag
2008-03-07 23:39 < The359> What do you expect from FOX?
2008-03-07 23:39 < The359> They already ruined people by getting them married on live television
2008-03-07 23:39 < The359> Why not get them divorced
2008-03-07 23:39 < akappa> CAT, it's just shitty television
2008-03-07 23:39 < CAT> it is mad
2008-03-07 23:39 < akappa> it is fake
2008-03-07 23:39 < akappa> ;)
2008-03-07 23:41 < PHMan> hey :)
2008-03-07 23:42 < Miranda|away> hi PHMan
2008-03-07 23:42 < PHMan> long time no see Miranda
2008-03-07 23:44 < Miranda|away> yep
2008-03-07 23:44 < Miranda|away> have been teh busy
2008-03-07 23:44 < PHMan> me too
2008-03-07 23:46 < PHMan> wow this channel is quiet
2008-03-07 23:47 * TheWeasel comes back from being dumped for being uglier than most people.
2008-03-07 23:47 < TheWeasel> What's the topic?
2008-03-07 23:47 < miranda> PHMan: try #defocus
2008-03-07 23:48 < TheWeasel> "This could not be confirmed since the cat was destroyed prior to the onset of symptoms."
2008-03-07 23:48 < The359> lol, CAT
2008-03-07 23:48 < The359> I love when they said her answer was true
2008-03-07 23:48 < The359> The delayed applause of the crowd
2008-03-07 23:48 < CAT> hahahaha
2008-03-07 23:48 < The359> "She won! But, oh, wait..."
2008-03-07 23:49 < CAT> The359: they are makin an aussie version on nine
2008-03-07 23:49 < gwern> The359: 'if nansen had been there, he could've saved the cat'
2008-03-07 23:49 < Leslie_S> http://www.goantiques.com/detail,sterling-silver-gilt,1455175.html
2008-03-07 23:49 < Leslie_S> wtf
2008-03-07 23:49 < TheWeasel> why would anyone use the word "destroy" along with an animal?
2008-03-07 23:50 < kmccoy> TheWeasel, that's often used to refer to executing those naughty pets.
2008-03-07 23:50 < TheWeasel> I'd avoid it like the plague (haha)
2008-03-07 23:51 < TheWeasel> (it's from the article section on contemporary incidents of bubonic plague
2008-03-07 23:51 < Krimpet> Leslie_S: ooh, my betta's been itching for a new habitat
2008-03-07 23:51 < Leslie_S> you dont kill dogs. you destroy them.
2008-03-07 23:51 < Leslie_S> destroy sounds so horrible though. it makes me think of like incinerating them alive or something
2008-03-07 23:51 < Krimpet> $5 fish and $105,000 fish tanks go hand in hand!
2008-03-07 23:52 < Leslie_S> Krimpet rofl
2008-03-07 23:52 < Leslie_S> night
2008-03-07 23:52 < zocky> you don't destroy a dog, normally
2008-03-07 23:53 < zocky> TheWeasel, i think that expression is reserved for culls during epidemics
2008-03-07 23:53 < gwern> you eat'em
2008-03-07 23:53 < gwern> good meat
2008-03-07 23:53 < gwern> like a cross between chicken and horse
2008-03-07 23:53 < TheWeasel> it was a one-man epidemic here
2008-03-07 23:54 < TheWeasel> the cat showed symptoms of the plague
2008-03-07 23:54 < CAT> O_o
2008-03-07 23:54 < CAT> OH NOWA
2008-03-07 23:54 < CAT> *NOES
2008-03-07 23:54 < zocky> they probably literally destroyed it then
2008-03-07 23:54 < CAT> srry, I was mexican
2008-03-07 23:54 < zocky> kill and burn
2008-03-07 23:54 < zocky> "destroy" is also used in military speak
2008-03-07 23:54 < gwern> they took off and nuked it from orbit. it was the only way to be sure
2008-03-07 23:54 < zocky> you "destroy" enemy units, not kill them.
2008-03-07 23:55 < TheWeasel> good target practice
2008-03-07 23:55 < gwern> well sure. after all, one day we will be fighting robot hordes, and ti speak of killing them wouldbe silly
2008-03-07 23:57 * TheWeasel drinks beer quite out of schedule, but nothing is quite within schedule tonight
2008-03-07 23:58 < TheWeasel> I'll sleep the whole rest of a.m.
2008-03-07 23:58 < TheWeasel> Oh, it's #wikipedia, not #weaselslife
2008-03-07 23:58 < TheWeasel> Sorry there.
2008-03-07 23:58 < zocky> <<Decline is relative, of course, and the Italian industry is surely still regarded with envy by many other EU member states - Lithuania, say, or Luxembourg. >>
2008-03-07 23:59 < TheWeasel> those comparisons make no sense.
2008-03-07 23:59 < TheWeasel> ("no sherl.")
2008-03-07 23:59 < zocky> oh, it's about movie industry
2008-03-08 00:00 < zocky> anyway, it's a rather roundabout way of saying "italian movies suck lately"
2008-03-08 00:00 < TheWeasel> Cinecittà!
2008-03-08 00:00 < TheWeasel> La Straaaaaada
2008-03-08 00:01 < zocky> cinecitta burned down last year
2008-03-08 00:02 < zocky> <<All of which conspires to make Spanish cinema feel fresher, more vital, more outward-looking than its counterpart across the Mediterranean.>>
2008-03-08 00:02 < zocky> bloody brits
2008-03-08 00:02 < akappa> zocky, have you get that fragment from a wikipedia article?
2008-03-08 00:02 < zocky> get a map
2008-03-08 00:02 * TheWeasel sings Laura Non C'E
2008-03-08 00:02 < zocky> akappa, no, a guardian opinion piece
2008-03-08 00:02 < TheWeasel> Same thing.
2008-03-08 00:02 < akappa> zocky, is a british newsmagazine or what?
2008-03-08 00:02 < zocky> "across the mediterranean" from spain is morrocco and algeria, not italy
2008-03-08 00:03 < TheWeasel> it's probably a verbatim quote from [[Differences between Italian and Spanish cinema]]
2008-03-08 00:03 < zocky> akappa, yes, the guardian
2008-03-08 00:03 < akappa> TheWeasel, Laura sucks :D
2008-03-08 00:03 < zocky> haha
2008-03-08 00:03 < akappa> zocky, are you british? :D
2008-03-08 00:03 < TheWeasel> this Laura has another name
2008-03-08 00:03 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-03-08 00:03 < zocky> akappa, no
2008-03-08 00:03 < TheWeasel> We were talking about Italy and I wanted to say something pertinent
2008-03-08 00:03 < zocky> if i were british, I'd emigrate
2008-03-08 00:03 < akappa> brits are always evil when talking about Italy
2008-03-08 00:04 < akappa> especially if they are talking about footbal
2008-03-08 00:04 < akappa> those loosers! :D
2008-03-08 00:04 < zocky> brits are generally good people
2008-03-08 00:04 < TheWeasel> RIGHT
2008-03-08 00:04 < zocky> but their country is awful
2008-03-08 00:04 < arcimboldo_> losers even
2008-03-08 00:04 < TheWeasel> THE THIRD GOAL IN 66 WASN'T IN
2008-03-08 00:04 < zocky> and they have more than their share of pretentious fucks, it seems
2008-03-08 00:04 < akappa> arcimboldo_, ops :)
2008-03-08 00:04 < TheWeasel> NEITHER WAS THE FORTH A GOOD ONE
2008-03-08 00:04 < TheWeasel> Sorry, that needed saying.
2008-03-08 00:05 < akappa> TheWeasel, what are you talking about?
2008-03-08 00:05 < zocky> TheWeasel, england is going to win the next world cup!
2008-03-08 00:05 < TheWeasel> the WC final 1966.
2008-03-08 00:05 < zocky> unless they get screwed by evil referees
2008-03-08 00:05 < akappa> ah, so many time.
2008-03-08 00:05 < TheWeasel> They're sure as hell not going to win Euro 2008!
2008-03-08 00:05 < TheWeasel> YEEHAW
2008-03-08 00:05 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-08 00:05 < zocky> hehe
2008-03-08 00:05 < akappa> I bet on Italy :D
2008-03-08 00:05 < TheWeasel> Ohne England/fahr'n wir zur WM
2008-03-08 00:05 < TheWeasel> akappa: That doesn't return you much money
2008-03-08 00:06 < zocky> they're ignoring the insignificatn continent of europe and are concentrating on the next world cup
2008-03-08 00:06 < akappa> TheWeasel, if France did it 8 years ago, why Italy can't?
2008-03-08 00:06 < TheWeasel> They can
2008-03-08 00:06 < TheWeasel> but everybody is betting on them, so there is no money to earn
2008-03-08 00:06 < zocky> italy can always win
2008-03-08 00:06 < akappa> do you think that?
2008-03-08 00:06 < TheWeasel> Spain can always go out in Round 1
2008-03-08 00:07 < zocky> there's always some way to cheat, so italy can always win :)
2008-03-08 00:07 < TheWeasel> You just made an enemy.
2008-03-08 00:07 < akappa> zocky, fuck you :)
2008-03-08 00:07 < amidaniel> Yikes, such strong language
2008-03-08 00:07 * amidaniel scolds akappa
2008-03-08 00:07 < akappa> It's envy, only envy!
2008-03-08 00:07 < zocky> i actually get very annoyed when italians win in football
2008-03-08 00:07 < TheWeasel> My bet is on Austria to be the worst EURO participant since 1996.
2008-03-08 00:07 < akappa> amidaniel, i'm kidding :P
2008-03-08 00:07 < arcimboldo_> Italy is probably the poorest world champion in a long time.
2008-03-08 00:07 < zocky> they have the annoying habit of scoring a goal in 98th minute
2008-03-08 00:08 < TheWeasel> Austria has the friendly habit to allow goals en masse.
2008-03-08 00:08 < akappa> arcimboldo_, I've to remember WC2002?
2008-03-08 00:08 < akappa> arcimboldo_, neither Germany or Brazil deserved the victory.
2008-03-08 00:08 < arcimboldo_> Brazil? 2002 was pretty good
2008-03-08 00:08 < zocky> TheWeasel, austria, the kosovo of germany?
2008-03-08 00:09 * The359 : Saturday March 08 2008 Current time is 12:06:58am -0500 GMT
2008-03-08 00:09 < The359> it's my birthday
2008-03-08 00:09 < zocky> it's the international women's day!
2008-03-08 00:09 < akappa> arcimboldo_, i've a different opinion :P
2008-03-08 00:10 < TheWeasel> If Austria is the Kosovo of Germany, I don't want to know what Carinthia is of Austria.
2008-03-08 00:10 < zocky> the last thing I will say about italian football is that nigeria should have won in 1994
2008-03-08 00:10 * Enterprise_Cat : boldly going where no cat has gone before!
2008-03-08 00:10 < TheWeasel> my parents saw the all new stadium in Klagenfurt and said it was terrible
2008-03-08 00:10 < akappa> lol
2008-03-08 00:11 < arcimboldo_> And Cameroon in '82
2008-03-08 00:11 < TheWeasel> And Germany in '70
2008-03-08 00:11 < arcimboldo_> Germany did win in ´70
2008-03-08 00:11 < arcimboldo_> (at least against Italy)
2008-03-08 00:11 < zocky> TheWeasel, carinthia is the sacred ancient land of slovenians!!!!!!!!!11111oneone
2008-03-08 00:11 < TheWeasel> zocky: You should write a Wikipedia article on it
2008-03-08 00:12 < zocky> TheWeasel, believe me, the articles are written
2008-03-08 00:12 < zocky> TheWeasel, [[carantania]] and stuff
2008-03-08 00:12 < Enterprise_Cat> [21:11:49] |<-- zocky has left irc.freenode.net (Killed by ChanServ (Excess exclamation))
2008-03-08 00:12 < TheWeasel> it's great how anti-Deutsch-Österreich the de.wiki articles on those Carinthian Abwehrkampf are
2008-03-08 00:13 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Football stadium?
2008-03-08 00:13 < TheWeasel> detailing every last panty found in Haider's office or something
2008-03-08 00:13 < TheWeasel> yea, in preparation for EURO 2008
2008-03-08 00:13 < zocky> <<Carantania (also Karantania, Carentania, in old Slovenian onomastics Korotan, or Karantanija) was a Slovene principality that emerged in the 6th century[dubious – discuss] and was centered on the territory of contemporary Carinthia. Having lasted more than 300 years, it is considered one of the first Slavic state forms.>>
2008-03-08 00:13 < zocky> because in the 6th century, slovenians were a fully defined ethnic group separate from other slavs
2008-03-08 00:14 < TheWeasel> von Villach nach Ferlach, von Klagenfurt nach ...äh...
2008-03-08 00:14 * TheWeasel can't think of a rhyme
2008-03-08 00:14 < TheWeasel> Anyway, Carinthians have darn bad taste in politicians
2008-03-08 00:14 < zocky> from beljak to borovlje, from celovec to velikovec
2008-03-08 00:14 < TheWeasel> woohoo
2008-03-08 00:15 < zocky> velikovec = völkermarkt
2008-03-08 00:15 * TheWeasel tries to come up with some Sorb names
2008-03-08 00:15 < TheWeasel> oh yea
2008-03-08 00:15 < TheWeasel> havent been down there for at least ten years
2008-03-08 00:16 < TheWeasel> by the banks of the Vrbsko Jezero
2008-03-08 00:16 < zocky> TheWeasel, you should put on your dirndl and go visit
2008-03-08 00:16 < TheWeasel> MY dirndl?
2008-03-08 00:16 < zocky> doesn't every german have one in their closet?
2008-03-08 00:16 < TheWeasel> I'd use my boyfriend's of course
2008-03-08 00:16 < TheWeasel> Just kidding.
2008-03-08 00:17 < TheWeasel> only for carnival, and even then in a "totally non-gay way"
2008-03-08 00:17 < zocky> oh, I see... dirndl is just the women's dress
2008-03-08 00:17 < zocky> we use it to mean both
2008-03-08 00:17 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-03-08 00:17 < TheWeasel> oh
2008-03-08 00:17 < arcimboldo_> Men have Lederhosn
2008-03-08 00:17 < TheWeasel> Lederhosen
2008-03-08 00:17 < zocky> what's the word for the male thing then?
2008-03-08 00:17 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-03-08 00:17 < zocky> no, not just lederhosen
2008-03-08 00:17 < TheWeasel> Lederhosen
2008-03-08 00:17 < zocky> the whole hunting thing
2008-03-08 00:17 < zocky> with the green jacket and stuff
2008-03-08 00:17 < TheWeasel> Jägerhut mit Gamsbart
2008-03-08 00:17 < E_Wing> Is there an uw-mos4 template?
2008-03-08 00:18 < TheWeasel> I'll look it up
2008-03-08 00:18 < TheWeasel> it's not awfully common in central Berlin I must say
2008-03-08 00:18 < E_Wing> Ok thanks.
2008-03-08 00:18 < TheWeasel> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Miessbacher_gebiergstracht_mann.jpg
2008-03-08 00:18 < TheWeasel> this sort of thing?
2008-03-08 00:18 < TheWeasel> what a gigantic Gamsbart!
2008-03-08 00:19 < zocky> here's yörg with some people wearing that: http://www.ksb.ksn.at/images/Brauchtumsmesse2003_4.JPG
2008-03-08 00:19 < zocky> *jörg, of course
2008-03-08 00:19 < TheWeasel> that looks fairly generic
2008-03-08 00:19 < TheWeasel> could be any old marksmanship club
2008-03-08 00:20 < TheWeasel> its just the guys that make it all Ösi
2008-03-08 00:20 < zocky> here's jörg wearing it himself: http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/635000/images/_639385_flag300.jpg
2008-03-08 00:20 < zocky> TheWeasel, ah, it's not really for hunting
2008-03-08 00:20 < zocky> TheWeasel, they wear it as the male version of the dirndl, for the same kind of occasions
2008-03-08 00:21 < TheWeasel> it's what you'd probably call a vest in English
2008-03-08 00:21 < TheWeasel> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/MB-Tracht_paar.jpg
2008-03-08 00:21 < TheWeasel> lulz
2008-03-08 00:21 < TheWeasel> that looks like they're wearing what the British call a bog brush
2008-03-08 00:21 < E_Wing> Is it possible that a user be reported to WP:ARV for vandalism if his vandalism is due to MOS?
2008-03-08 00:21 < arcimboldo_> http://www.banater-schwaben-berlin.de/Fotogalerie/Feste/Tiroler-Tracht-gr.jpg
2008-03-08 00:22 < E_Wing> Especially if his last warning is an UW-MOS3?
2008-03-08 00:22 < TheWeasel> those things are often right-wing circles
2008-03-08 00:22 < TheWeasel> yea, precisely
2008-03-08 00:22 < zocky> TheWeasel, this "hunting" uniform is a part of the whole carinthian fascisty thing
2008-03-08 00:22 < E_Wing> Hmm
2008-03-08 00:23 < TheWeasel> I could comment on that last picture, but I can't, because a) the kid probably couldn't help it and b) there could be someone public-logging and we don't want that
2008-03-08 00:23 < TheWeasel> just saying that that sort of uniform hasn't got a very pleasant history here
2008-03-08 00:24 < TheWeasel> Okay, no more Godwin's law.
2008-03-08 00:24 < zocky> hey, we broke that when we first mentioned Jörg :)
2008-03-08 00:25 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-03-08 00:25 < gwern> I wonder whether you could parallelize neural simulations by using the Hashlife algorithm
2008-03-08 00:25 < TheWeasel> I feel sorry for the Austrians having to use an Ö in all their abbreviations
2008-03-08 00:26 < zocky> ÖBB
2008-03-08 00:27 < zocky> ÖRF
2008-03-08 00:27 < zocky> VPÖ
2008-03-08 00:27 < zocky> Motörhead
2008-03-08 00:27 < TheWeasel> gwern: I don't quite know what neural simulations or the Hashlife algorithm are, so here's a bunny with a pancake on its head http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Oolong_last_head_performance.jpg/180px-Oolong_last_head_performance.jpg
2008-03-08 00:27 < TheWeasel> woops
2008-03-08 00:27 < TheWeasel> sorry
2008-03-08 00:28 < TheWeasel> oh, its good after all
2008-03-08 00:28 < TheWeasel> ÖVP, SPÖ and FPÖ!
2008-03-08 00:28 < TheWeasel> and now even BZÖ
2008-03-08 00:28 < TheWeasel> which is the most bizarre bunch of all
2008-03-08 00:29 < gwern> 'For an example of hashlife's capabilities, it can compute 2^130 generations of the Metacatacryst producing a pattern of 2^232 cells. '
2008-03-08 00:31 < TheWeasel> Wikipedia: Excellence In Question-Begging Since 2001
2008-03-08 00:31 < zocky> what's BZÖ?
2008-03-08 00:31 < TheWeasel> Haiders breakaway faction
2008-03-08 00:31 < zocky> ah
2008-03-08 00:31 < TheWeasel> they basically kicked him out of the party he was leading at the time
2008-03-08 00:32 < zocky> Bündnis Zukunft Österreich
2008-03-08 00:32 < TheWeasel> because while being ethically challenged, they decided they weren't quite that ethically challenged.
2008-03-08 00:32 < zocky> you gotta love their website: http://www.bzoe.at/
2008-03-08 00:32 < TheWeasel> and so Haider's party still holds the record of Most Morally Corrupt Political Formation