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2008-03-06 20:50 < Tony_Sidaway> TheWeasel: I accidentally watched "Fade to Black" with the descriptions for the blind. It was great because the guy describing the scene obviously had a much better idea of what was going on than any of the characters in the film!
2008-03-06 20:50 < TheWeasel> "Weasel, the TV says things like "It is dark and stormy. A man enters from the right.""
2008-03-06 20:50 < TheWeasel> "What to do?"
2008-03-06 20:50 < TheWeasel> hah yea
2008-03-06 20:50 < Tony_Sidaway> Eat bird
2008-03-06 20:50 < TheWeasel> giving away things in a radio play sucks
2008-03-06 20:51 < Messedrocker> HAHA, she said it again!
2008-03-06 20:51 * Messedrocker laughs at canadians and their silly pronounciation
2008-03-06 20:51 < TheWeasel> Canadian raising!
2008-03-06 20:52 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=985
2008-03-06 20:52 < TheWeasel> "CaNAAAAAdi-eeeeeeeehn, eh?"
2008-03-06 20:54 * TheWeasel is nowhere near a doctorate but spends the night vying for sufficient competence to write a diploma paper
2008-03-06 20:54 < Messedrocker> ah, how i love canadians and the way they speak
2008-03-06 20:54 < Tony_Sidaway> My other favorite porn sites are the ones where I can just type "for I in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do for J in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do wget http://example.com/hornypiccies/$I$J.jpg;done;done" into a spare xterm
2008-03-06 20:55 < Messedrocker> hmm, isn't example.com owned by ICANN?
2008-03-06 20:55 < Messedrocker> i didn't know ICANN did porn now!
2008-03-06 20:55 < kenlyric> 404 not found :/
2008-03-06 20:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Messedrocker: best kept secret on the net!
2008-03-06 20:55 < Demi> Tony_Sidaway - yes, i wrote various functions to that in some smart ways
2008-03-06 20:55 < Tony_Sidaway> kenlyric: you need the secret cookie for it to work
2008-03-06 20:55 < Demi> "seqdl"
2008-03-06 20:55 < Demi> with different formatting and whatnot
2008-03-06 20:55 < Demi> and it would stop on a sequence with the first 404, that kind of thing
2008-03-06 20:56 < Cyrius> clever
2008-03-06 20:56 * TheWeasel is hungary
2008-03-06 20:56 < TheWeasel> Some may be Slovakia, but I'm hungary.
2008-03-06 20:58 * bumm13 stabs cnettv.com
2008-03-06 21:00 < NotACow> MOO
2008-03-06 21:00 < TheWeasel> sorry, "slovakier"
2008-03-06 21:06 < Tony_Sidaway> OH I think I killed the webby pedia. Again.
2008-03-06 21:07 * TheWeasel hates Mars bars but grumblingly munches for lack of alternatives
2008-03-06 21:08 < TheWeasel> hah, dressage is the first Olympics event
2008-03-06 21:08 < TheWeasel> (well, some preliminaries before the opening ceremony, but they dont count
2008-03-06 21:09 * TheWeasel loves the FA on Uncyc concerning that
2008-03-06 21:11 < TheWeasel> it's such perfect Chinglish, it's awesome
2008-03-06 21:11 < TheWeasel> or any incompetent but very eager use of English
2008-03-06 21:13 < bumm13> (aha, this is an ad-blocking problem :P )
2008-03-06 21:15 < toxygen> hello, i would like to ask whether i am the only one experiencing technical difficulties
2008-03-06 21:15 < Pilotguy> hmm
2008-03-06 21:15 < Pilotguy> toxygen- Can you be more specific?
2008-03-06 21:15 < TheLetterE_away> Nothing wrong to me...
2008-03-06 21:16 < TheWeasel> Neither.
2008-03-06 21:16 < FastLizard4> Condition green here, no problems on wiki
2008-03-06 21:16 < Cyrius> toxygen: you're the only one to complain in here
2008-03-06 21:17 < Pilotguy> Nah
2008-03-06 21:17 < Pilotguy> Someone else was
2008-03-06 21:17 < Pilotguy> Xbehave
2008-03-06 21:17 < Cyrius> only one since I came back in
2008-03-06 21:17 < toxygen> it looks that one of wiki servers was rebooted, first it was no route to host it some slicky formatted page and then resource temporarily unavailable. now it works
2008-03-06 21:18 < toxygen> *it=in
2008-03-06 21:18 < toxygen> and recent changes i've done to sk.wikipedia.org are lost
2008-03-06 21:18 < TheLetterE_away> ah yes
2008-03-06 21:18 < TheLetterE_away> [12:12:14] <~nagios-wm> Host knsq28 is DOWN: CRITICAL - Plugin timed out after 15 seconds
2008-03-06 21:18 < TheLetterE_away> [12:12:43] <~nagios-wm> Host knsq28 is UP: PING OK - Packet loss = 0%, RTA = 119.90 ms
2008-03-06 21:18 < TheLetterE_away> knams servers hiccuped
2008-03-06 21:19 < Xbehave> for me the server was momenterily down? what happend?
2008-03-06 21:19 < TheLetterE_away> it hiccuped, the link was broken for a small period of time
2008-03-06 21:19 < TheLetterE_away> but it is back now
2008-03-06 21:19 < Pilotguy> yay
2008-03-06 21:20 < Pilotguy> go put more useless shit on there
2008-03-06 21:20 < TheLetterE_away> lol
2008-03-06 21:20 < FastLizard4> TheLetterE_away: What channel did that come from?
2008-03-06 21:20 < Xbehave> is that the single weak point for wikipeida? i thought that there were like a hundred servers?
2008-03-06 21:20 < TheLetterE_away> if thats what you call it.
2008-03-06 21:20 < TheLetterE_away> FastLizard4: the wikimedia server recording channel
2008-03-06 21:20 < FastLizard4> what is it?
2008-03-06 21:21 * Xbehave thins "useless shit" dosent pass the notability guidlines, moving for speedy deletion
2008-03-06 21:21 < Xbehave> *thinks
2008-03-06 21:22 < TheWeasel> A family member actually found Wikipedia helpful a few days ago.
2008-03-06 21:22 < TheWeasel> (first time I know of)
2008-03-06 21:22 < toxygen> i can do the same changes again :/
2008-03-06 21:22 < bumm13> heh, disgruntled employee
2008-03-06 21:23 < Pilotguy> bumm13- lol
2008-03-06 21:23 < Xbehave> TheWeasel: quick find the article, it must be deleted, did it contain trivia? does it have 100+ reliable sources? how about a thousand, we can change the rules right ;)?
2008-03-06 21:23 < TheWeasel> It was *correct*
2008-03-06 21:24 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-03-06 21:24 < TheWeasel> It was on de., they don't source anything.
2008-03-06 21:24 < TheWeasel> (if you're logged in and not an IP)
2008-03-06 21:24 < pengo> How much do tv stations pay for tv programs?
2008-03-06 21:26 < TheWeasel> there was a satire about Israeli TV I read once where they bought footage from pre-1900 because they got it for five dollars per roll.
2008-03-06 21:27 < ukjon> pengo: channel 4(uk) was paying £1 million per episode of friends at one point i think
2008-03-06 21:27 < pengo> ukjon: thanks. how about kids shows?
2008-03-06 21:27 < ukjon> I may be completely wrong though :)
2008-03-06 21:31 < TheWeasel> hehe... my tts engine in German pronounces Florida with a long German o
2008-03-06 21:31 < TheWeasel> Flohrida
2008-03-06 21:32 < pengo> ukjon: you helped with search terms .. searching just for "per episode" has worked better than anything else i've tried
2008-03-06 21:35 < Golbez> ...
2008-03-06 21:35 < Golbez> it's a raul party!
2008-03-06 21:36 < MooingLemur> moo :(
2008-03-06 21:37 < FastLizard4|busy> zomg!
2008-03-06 21:37 < FastLizard4|busy> o_O
2008-03-06 21:37 < wimt> LOL
2008-03-06 21:37 < FastLizard4|busy> ing
2008-03-06 21:37 < FastLizard4|busy> omg
2008-03-06 21:37 < Ceiling_Cat> ?
2008-03-06 21:37 < Ceiling_Cat> what just happened?
2008-03-06 21:37 < Mark_Ryan> K-lines.
2008-03-06 21:37 < Ceiling_Cat> automated?
2008-03-06 21:37 < wimt> Probably too many connections from the IP triggered it
2008-03-06 21:37 < Ceiling_Cat> aahhhhhh
2008-03-06 21:37 < Ceiling_Cat> aww :(
2008-03-06 21:37 < Mark_Ryan> what wimt said, I'd say
2008-03-06 21:37 < NotACow> ARE YOU GRUNTLED?
2008-03-06 21:38 * MooingLemur is gruntled.
2008-03-06 21:38 < RichiH> we do not have automated klines
2008-03-06 21:38 < Ceiling_Cat> can you please unkline my IP?
2008-03-06 21:38 < Ceiling_Cat> I connected as a joke, nothing more
2008-03-06 21:38 < RichiH> Ceiling_Cat: if you can refrain from joining a load of clones, sure :)
2008-03-06 21:38 < Mark_Ryan> I always make a point to use a hyphen in "k-line", RichiH, to avoid any confusions with Kevin Kline
2008-03-06 21:38 < RichiH> Mark_Ryan: hehe
2008-03-06 21:39 < MooingLemur> Calvin K-lein
2008-03-06 21:41 < anonabanana> banana?
2008-03-06 21:41 < anonabanana> oh wikipedia. nvm
2008-03-06 21:42 < TheWeasel> Calvin GroƟ
2008-03-06 21:42 < anonabanana> no, banana
2008-03-06 21:43 < anonabanana> anyone check out the banana article lately?
2008-03-06 21:43 < anonabanana> its tasty
2008-03-06 21:43 < anonabanana> thinking of nominating it for FA, cause I'm FA-MISHED for some banana wiki
2008-03-06 21:44 < TheWeasel> NotACow: No, I'm ocuous.
2008-03-06 21:44 < TheWeasel> *n
2008-03-06 21:44 < anonabanana> i would advise the rest of you to join those two guys and hop on down to wikipedia/wiki/banana AQAP
2008-03-06 21:45 < TheWeasel> Not to mention effable.
2008-03-06 21:45 < anonabanana> careful, thesaurus.com might block you for infringement without citation
2008-03-06 21:45 * TheWeasel looks eminently shevelled
2008-03-06 21:46 < TheWeasel> And couth.
2008-03-06 21:46 < TheWeasel> well, an ept guy like me...
2008-03-06 21:46 < NotACow> ept.
2008-03-06 21:46 < NotACow> i love that word.
2008-03-06 21:46 < anonabanana> are you doing flashcards for a grammar test
2008-03-06 21:46 < TheWeasel> although I think I'm pretty peerful in those qualities
2008-03-06 21:48 < anonabanana> afterdeath is nothing. you are nothing and are looking to get banned on grounds on sockpuppeting for a person who does not exist
2008-03-06 21:49 < totolezero> can you give a proof that He doesn t exist ? :D
2008-03-06 21:50 < NotACow> moo!
2008-03-06 21:50 < anonabanana> here load this into wiki formulas and youll have all the asnwers you need. tau/3xDelta\\[][]pipie3sqrt/socrates
2008-03-06 21:50 < NotACow> god exists
2008-03-06 21:50 < NotACow> he left me a love note this morning
2008-03-06 21:50 < NotACow> but i spurned him, once again
2008-03-06 21:50 < NotACow> NERP!
2008-03-06 21:50 < NotACow> NERP!
2008-03-06 21:50 < NotACow> NEEEEEEERP!
2008-03-06 21:51 < NotACow> ARE YOU A NERP?
2008-03-06 21:51 < anonabanana> hey op me
2008-03-06 21:51 < anonabanana> rl quick
2008-03-06 21:51 < NotACow> !op anonabanana wants ops quick!
2008-03-06 21:51 < anonabanana> i need to do some housecleaning
2008-03-06 21:51 < anonabanana> get rid of the terrorists
2008-03-06 21:51 < Riana> lol
2008-03-06 21:51 < Pilotguy> :O
2008-03-06 21:51 * Krimpet can do one better :)
2008-03-06 21:52 < NotACow> Riana: i told someone that you shouldn't be a b'crat today.
2008-03-06 21:52 < NotACow> Riana: i don't remember who, though
2008-03-06 21:52 < NotACow> Riana: thought you should knoew
2008-03-06 21:52 * NotACow tosses a halibut to Krimpet
2008-03-06 21:52 < anonabanana> bureaucrat is spelled bureaucrat btw
2008-03-06 21:52 < Riana> NotACow: a lot of people are saying a lot of things, I can't really be arsed caring
2008-03-06 21:52 < NotACow> Krimpet: i wanted to thank you for something but i can't remmeber what.
2008-03-06 21:52 < TheWeasel> Byrocray'ut.
2008-03-06 21:52 < NotACow> Riana: yeah, that's probably the best attitude
2008-03-06 21:53 < TheWeasel> *Byoorocray'ut
2008-03-06 21:53 * NotACow just takes note of what people say and posts it in her bloggy blog blog
2008-03-06 21:53 < anonabanana> Krimpet: I have a comparable amount of useful things to say to you
2008-03-06 21:53 * NotACow got some great quotes from bastique the wonderpuppy earlier
2008-03-06 21:54 < Krimpet> NotACow: hmm, I'm not sure what fishworthy stuff I've done recently
2008-03-06 21:54 < NotACow> Krimpet: halibuts are yummy
2008-03-06 21:54 < NotACow> Krimpet: cook it up with white wine and parsley.
2008-03-06 21:55 < anonabanana> i updated the yummy article to reflect your recent updates
2008-03-06 21:55 < NotACow> why are there so many lesbians?
2008-03-06 21:56 < TheWeasel> Guys are ugly.
2008-03-06 21:57 < NotACow> TheWeasel: that they are
2008-03-06 21:57 * TheWeasel nods
2008-03-06 21:57 < NotACow> TheWeasel: except for some of them
2008-03-06 21:57 < anonabanana> w/e all the les's i know are uglier than their potential guy counterparts
2008-03-06 21:57 < TheWeasel> See, that's why lesbianism isn't exclusive
2008-03-06 21:57 < NotACow> that one guy is hot
2008-03-06 21:57 < NotACow> what's his name
2008-03-06 21:57 < TheWeasel> NotACow: He died.
2008-03-06 21:57 < NotACow> hugo weaving
2008-03-06 21:57 < NotACow> TheWeasel: he did not!
2008-03-06 21:58 < TheWeasel> Oh...
2008-03-06 21:58 < anonabanana> in my town lesbian means a girl is fat and spends time on the internet
2008-03-06 21:58 < TheWeasel> Those are some interesting semantics.
2008-03-06 21:58 < TheWeasel> the traditional definition is "bones chicks"
2008-03-06 21:58 < TheWeasel> Brb.
2008-03-06 21:58 < anonabanana> traditional is a rod in a receptacle
2008-03-06 21:59 < anonabanana> homos made it all complicationated
2008-03-06 21:59 < NotACow> fuck that nonsense
2008-03-06 22:00 < TheWeasel> Back
2008-03-06 22:00 * TheWeasel does not follow that piece of advice
2008-03-06 22:01 * NotACow makes two of her sims fuck in the car
2008-03-06 22:01 < NotACow> yay, they did it
2008-03-06 22:01 < NotACow> haha
2008-03-06 22:01 < NotACow> now they're in luuuuuurve
2008-03-06 22:01 < scorchsaber> Since when was that possible? DL:
2008-03-06 22:01 < scorchsaber> s/L//
2008-03-06 22:03 < NotACow> since they added cars
2008-03-06 22:03 < NotACow> that was like the first or second expansion pack i think
2008-03-06 22:03 < TheWeasel> How many WASPs does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
2008-03-06 22:03 < TheWeasel> WASPs don't screw in lightbulbs. They screw in cars.
2008-03-06 22:04 < Starnestommy> heh
2008-03-06 22:05 < Ceiling_Cat> ewww.... the sims
2008-03-06 22:06 * Ceiling_Cat never got that
2008-03-06 22:06 < Messedrocker> hey
2008-03-06 22:06 < Messedrocker> the sims kicked ass
2008-03-06 22:06 < Messedrocker> that is, before The Sims 2 corrupted the brand
2008-03-06 22:06 < Messedrocker> after all, my first widespread internet handle was "lovedasims"
2008-03-06 22:06 < Messedrocker> which was shortly truncated to "LDS"
2008-03-06 22:06 < Messedrocker> and everyone thought i was a mormon
2008-03-06 22:07 < Messedrocker> then in 2003 i became "Messedrocker"
2008-03-06 22:07 < Messedrocker> true story!
2008-03-06 22:07 < Messedrocker> (or was it 2002?)
2008-03-06 22:07 * Krimpet sees Messedrocker's magic underwear poking out.
2008-03-06 22:07 * Ceiling_Cat watches Krimpet watch Messedrocker
2008-03-06 22:07 < NotACow> Messedrocker: stop trolling on my blog
2008-03-06 22:08 < NotACow> Messedrocker: i'm the only person allowed to troll on my blog
2008-03-06 22:08 * Scream watches Ceiling_Cat Messedrocker and Krimpet doing thigs with their underwear[s].
2008-03-06 22:08 < Scream> NotACow I considered trolling the blog. :)
2008-03-06 22:08 < Messedrocker> NotACow, it's actually my opinion on the state of the matter, believe it or not
2008-03-06 22:08 < Messedrocker> you're the blog owner; you obviously have the power to delete my posts at will
2008-03-06 22:09 * privatemusings just had a chat with Danny which is now on the wiki
2008-03-06 22:09 < Scream> she wont
2008-03-06 22:09 < TheWeasel> rouge owner!
2008-03-06 22:09 < Scream> rogue :)
2008-03-06 22:09 < Scream> oh rouge works also i reackion
2008-03-06 22:09 < Scream> reackon
2008-03-06 22:09 < TheWeasel> it was a case of [sic]
2008-03-06 22:09 < nokmar> ...
2008-03-06 22:10 < Scream> ...
2008-03-06 22:10 < nokmar> rouge owners!
2008-03-06 22:10 < TheWeasel> ....
2008-03-06 22:10 < TheWeasel> I win.
2008-03-06 22:10 < Scream> .....
2008-03-06 22:10 < TheWeasel> Shite.
2008-03-06 22:10 < TheWeasel> what's a Yuan in real money?
2008-03-06 22:10 < nokmar> in USD?
2008-03-06 22:10 < TheWeasel> oh, only ten euro cent
2008-03-06 22:10 < TheWeasel> USD woulda been ok as well
2008-03-06 22:11 < TheWeasel> Google has a converter
2008-03-06 22:11 < Scream> TheWeasel .....8
2008-03-06 22:11 < nokmar> actually, yuan can buy you more
2008-03-06 22:11 < TheWeasel> Just gauging the price levels for the olympics
2008-03-06 22:11 < Scream> flip that last char
2008-03-06 22:11 < nokmar> you can get like a ton of stuff for our value of a dollar in China
2008-03-06 22:11 < TheWeasel> I had this weird idea to go see the paralympics
2008-03-06 22:11 < TheWeasel> but probably not
2008-03-06 22:11 < Demi> TheWeasel - i'd be interested in what you find
2008-03-06 22:12 < NotACow> mooooooooooooooooo
2008-03-06 22:12 < Demi> i'm planning to go in 2010, 2012
2008-03-06 22:12 < NotACow> death to things
2008-03-06 22:12 < privatemusings> did everyone see our leader on CNET?
2008-03-06 22:12 < privatemusings> http://www.cnettv.com/9742-1_53-32449.html
2008-03-06 22:12 < Messedrocker> i want to coordinate a debate
2008-03-06 22:12 < Messedrocker> danny on one side is saying jimbo is a grumbling perfenander and should be punched
2008-03-06 22:13 < nokmar> screw jimbo.
2008-03-06 22:13 < Messedrocker> and then we have the sue gardner calling him a sweet little angel
2008-03-06 22:13 < nokmar> go danny
2008-03-06 22:13 < Messedrocker> i want to hear the substantiations for the latter claims
2008-03-06 22:13 < TheWeasel> I was going to go to the Turin Paras but I was deselected through some freak event
2008-03-06 22:13 < scorchsaber> screw jimbo AND danny
2008-03-06 22:13 < Messedrocker> i just want to see danny and sue duke it out is all
2008-03-06 22:13 < scorchsaber> and sue
2008-03-06 22:13 < TheWeasel> and I actually know someone who competes in Beijing
2008-03-06 22:13 < TheWeasel> so yea
2008-03-06 22:13 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-03-06 22:14 < TheWeasel> eh, one of the mid-price events
2008-03-06 22:15 < NotACow> MY CAT IS NOT EARING A HAT
2008-03-06 22:15 < TheWeasel> "Ticket requests reflect the public's excitement"
2008-03-06 22:15 < Messedrocker> GOOD FOR HER, THEN.
2008-03-06 22:15 < Messedrocker> OR IS YOUR CAT A BOY
2008-03-06 22:16 < NotACow> Messedrocker: my cat is all tings
2008-03-06 22:16 < NotACow> Messedrocker: my cat is sue gardner
2008-03-06 22:16 < nokmar> WHY ARE WE SHOUTING
2008-03-06 22:16 < NotACow> nokmar: BECAUSE WE CAN
2008-03-06 22:16 < NotACow> SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!
2008-03-06 22:16 < TheWeasel> WELCOME TO INVITED THE SUMMER GAMES WHERE THE SPIRIT-ATION OF THE GAMINGS CLUTCHES YOU
2008-03-06 22:16 < Messedrocker> spiritation?
2008-03-06 22:16 < Messedrocker> nice one
2008-03-06 22:17 * TheWeasel sues NotACow 's gardener
2008-03-06 22:17 < TheWeasel> the prices are actually quite civil, unless you want to go to the opening ceremony
2008-03-06 22:18 < TheWeasel> I'd rather they were higher, but I'm not sure if that would trickle down to the slaves at all
2008-03-06 22:18 < TheWeasel> the third car of the party commissioner might be more urgent
2008-03-06 22:20 < Golbez> si se puede
2008-03-06 22:20 < TheWeasel> "si" as in "if"
2008-03-06 22:20 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-03-06 22:20 < TheWeasel> or "if at all"
2008-03-06 22:21 < TheWeasel> "The official ticketing website of the BEIJING 2008 Olympic Games - Games of the XXIX Olympiad"
2008-03-06 22:21 < TheWeasel> that reads like "party congress"
2008-03-06 22:22 < TheWeasel> especially since there is a sign that looks vaguely like a red flag with a sickle around it
2008-03-06 22:22 < TheWeasel> at least their logo is somewhat less butt-ugly than the London one
2008-03-06 22:30 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR CATZ!
2008-03-06 22:32 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-03-06 22:32 < White_Cat> http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10789354
2008-03-06 22:33 < TheWeasel> those aren't cats.
2008-03-06 22:33 * TheWeasel endorses trivia sections
2008-03-06 22:34 * TheWeasel on the other hand opposes in-popular-culture sections
2008-03-06 22:34 < Ceiling_Cat> I saw, White_Cat
2008-03-06 22:35 * Ceiling_Cat endorses weasel greasing
2008-03-06 22:35 < TheWeasel> STRONG ABSTAIN
2008-03-06 22:36 < TheWeasel> I'm going to bed.
2008-03-06 22:36 < TheWeasel> night
2008-03-06 22:37 * Calico_cat is a deletionist
2008-03-06 22:38 * nokmar is a I_Don't_Care_Either_Way_ionist
2008-03-06 22:40 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28policy%29#.22The_battle_for_Wikipedia.27s_soul.22
2008-03-06 22:43 < NedScott> anyone else doing this "alternative color for redirects" thing?
2008-03-06 22:43 < NedScott> it's really handy
2008-03-06 22:44 < NedScott> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ANed_Scott%2Fmonobook.css&diff=194053456&oldid=158015882
2008-03-06 22:46 < NedScott> I should make "
2008-03-06 22:46 * nokmar goes to try
2008-03-06 22:46 < Gracenotes> NedScott: ah, I already use that color for stubs
2008-03-06 22:47 < NedScott> you can set a color for stubs too?
2008-03-06 22:47 < Gracenotes> yeah. Well, where stub = MediaWiki-defined, less than a certain length in bytes
2008-03-06 22:47 < White_Cat> nokmar who were you again?
2008-03-06 22:47 < quanticle> Hah. I'm back.
2008-03-06 22:47 < NedScott> awesome
2008-03-06 22:47 < Gracenotes> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences, misc
2008-03-06 22:48 < quanticle> Does anyone else here read the Economist?
2008-03-06 22:48 < nokmar> I was secretly Willy on Wheels
2008-03-06 22:48 < Gracenotes> I have the length set at 5000 bytes for mine. It does help finds links to disambig pages, occasionally
2008-03-06 22:48 < White_Cat> quanticle old news :)
2008-03-06 22:48 < White_Cat> quanticle see the villige pump
2008-03-06 22:48 < quanticle> Dammit! Why am I always the last one find these things?
2008-03-06 22:49 < White_Cat> plicy one
2008-03-06 22:49 < Gracenotes> quanticle was scooped!
2008-03-06 22:49 < White_Cat> policy
2008-03-06 22:49 < NedScott> I don't see such an option on Misc
2008-03-06 22:49 < White_Cat> quanticle thats because I rock you suck
2008-03-06 22:49 < Gracenotes> well, another source for [[Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia]]
2008-03-06 22:49 < BrianMcClure> So what does everyone think of Todays Featured Article?
2008-03-06 22:49 < White_Cat> nokmar really?
2008-03-06 22:49 < nokmar> no =P
2008-03-06 22:49 < White_Cat> I always thought it wasnt a secret
2008-03-06 22:49 < nokmar> bah someone give me a link to a redirect link
2008-03-06 22:50 < Gracenotes> hm? [[Dubya]] is the one I usually think of
2008-03-06 22:50 < NedScott> [[WP:TACO]]
2008-03-06 22:50 < NedScott> holy crap
2008-03-06 22:50 < NedScott> no one is using WP:TACO
2008-03-06 22:50 < Gracenotes> which, apparently, no longer redirects to [[George W. Bush]], but [[List of United States Presidential names]]
2008-03-06 22:50 < White_Cat> Gracenotes I really think the article covers the problem
2008-03-06 22:50 < White_Cat> I will write an essay tomorow
2008-03-06 22:51 < White_Cat> Gracenotes te article is suprisingly neutral
2008-03-06 22:51 < NedScott> would it be bad to redirect WP:TACO to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mexico]]?
2008-03-06 22:51 < nokmar> whoa if you search for #insertsomethinghere and click the link, it just takes you to the search
2008-03-06 22:51 < White_Cat> nokmar yes
2008-03-06 22:51 < White_Cat> #bla seeks a section
2008-03-06 22:51 < Gracenotes> nokmar: if you really want to have fun, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:TLAs_from_AAA_to_DZZ and spot the redirects
2008-03-06 22:51 < White_Cat> without an article there is nothing to search
2008-03-06 22:52 < Gracenotes> I have a hodge-podge of red, blue, and green links; if I add redirects, I'll probably have yellow.
2008-03-06 22:52 < NedScott> gracenotes: I'm not sure if I understood what you said before. are you able to set these things directly in [[Special:Preferences]]?
2008-03-06 22:53 < Gracenotes> NedScott: yes, you are. See that "Misc" tab :)
2008-03-06 22:53 < White_Cat> nokmar do I know you?
2008-03-06 22:53 < White_Cat> you feel awfully familiar
2008-03-06 22:53 < nokmar> probably not
2008-03-06 22:53 < NedScott> oops
2008-03-06 22:53 < NedScott> there it is
2008-03-06 22:53 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat you around?
2008-03-06 22:53 < NedScott> right in front of me
2008-03-06 22:53 < nokmar> NedScott: what is this supposed to do?
2008-03-06 22:53 < NedScott> it lets you see what link is a redirect without clicking on it
2008-03-06 22:53 < nokmar> I am a mono-noob
2008-03-06 22:53 < nokmar> doesn't seem to work for me
2008-03-06 22:54 < NedScott> did you empty your cache?
2008-03-06 22:54 < NedScott> browser cache
2008-03-06 22:54 < nokmar> good point.
2008-03-06 22:54 < White_Cat> [[User:Nokmar/Sandbox]]
2008-03-06 22:54 < White_Cat> nokmar please do not interspace redirect like that
2008-03-06 22:55 < nokmar> what's wrong with that?
2008-03-06 22:55 < NedScott> a link from project space to article space is fine
2008-03-06 22:55 < NedScott> redirect, that is
2008-03-06 22:55 < NedScott> it's the other way around that's a problem
2008-03-06 22:55 < NedScott> there's even one or two WP: shortcuts that do that
2008-03-06 22:55 < Messedrocker> did white cat signature kerfuffle ever make arbcom?
2008-03-06 22:55 < Gracenotes> hard rules about cross-namespace redirects are a bit silly, I think :)
2008-03-06 22:55 < Gracenotes> just take it case-by-case
2008-03-06 22:55 < White_Cat> Messedrocker yes
2008-03-06 22:55 < NedScott> uh, no
2008-03-06 22:55 < nokmar> NedScott: it does work, and it looks rather useful
2008-03-06 22:55 < White_Cat> and it is still infront of arbcom
2008-03-06 22:56 < Messedrocker> White_Cat, link?
2008-03-06 22:56 < NedScott> you're not even a party to that case, Cat
2008-03-06 22:56 < White_Cat> its in the mailing list
2008-03-06 22:56 < White_Cat> not an actual case
2008-03-06 22:56 < nokmar> why is cross-space redirecting prohibited?
2008-03-06 22:56 < White_Cat> nokmar it isnt banned
2008-03-06 22:56 < NedScott> nokmar: it's not, only if you do article-to project
2008-03-06 22:56 < White_Cat> it just clutters logs and special pages
2008-03-06 22:57 < NedScott> due to [[WP:SELF]]
2008-03-06 22:57 < White_Cat> it is general practice not to do it
2008-03-06 22:57 < NedScott> links will lose context is used on mirrors, etc
2008-03-06 22:57 < NedScott> is/ if
2008-03-06 22:57 < White_Cat> for instance it will confuse interwiki bots
2008-03-06 22:57 < White_Cat> and it serves no purpose either
2008-03-06 22:57 < nokmar> NedScott: I'm changing the already-clicked link
2008-03-06 22:58 < nokmar> color
2008-03-06 22:58 < White_Cat> NedScott I kindly ask you to bugger off
2008-03-06 22:58 < NedScott> wtf?
2008-03-06 22:58 < NedScott> I didn't even say anything mean to you
2008-03-06 22:59 < White_Cat> I dont want to have anything to do with you
2008-03-06 22:59 < NedScott> last time I checked there is an ignore feature in irc
2008-03-06 22:59 < nokmar> you guys pick weird fights.
2008-03-06 22:59 < Gracenotes> >.<
2008-03-06 22:59 < White_Cat> NedScott yes
2008-03-06 22:59 < NedScott> personally I think you're a nice guy in general
2008-03-06 22:59 < White_Cat> and I suggest you use it
2008-03-06 22:59 < White_Cat> me nice guy bah
2008-03-06 22:59 < NedScott> why? I don't have a problem with you
2008-03-06 22:59 < White_Cat> only my opinions should be ignored
2008-03-06 23:00 < NedScott> we normally get along when we're not talking about fiction stuff
2008-03-06 23:00 < White_Cat> NedScott ull the other leg
2008-03-06 23:00 < White_Cat> *pull
2008-03-06 23:00 < White_Cat> yes like when dealing ith my signatures
2008-03-06 23:00 < White_Cat> perfection
2008-03-06 23:00 * quanticle wonders wtf is going on between NedScott and White_Cat
2008-03-06 23:00 < NedScott> that issue was dropped long ago
2008-03-06 23:01 < White_Cat> no it wasnt
2008-03-06 23:01 < White_Cat> I still seek to altermy signatures
2008-03-06 23:01 < NedScott> I can't force you to drop it
2008-03-06 23:01 < NedScott> I can only force myself to not revert you
2008-03-06 23:01 < White_Cat> policy isnt in the way, only centrx is
2008-03-06 23:02 < NedScott> so take it up with him. My involvement with the issue is over
2008-03-06 23:02 < White_Cat> NedScott of all my efforts, all it earned me was your insults
2008-03-06 23:02 < White_Cat> that was the turning point
2008-03-06 23:02 < NedScott> it was a stupid thing for me to get upset about
2008-03-06 23:02 < White_Cat> and everything you said since felt insincere
2008-03-06 23:03 < White_Cat> in diplomacy when a country gets upset over something another country does
2008-03-06 23:03 < quanticle> nokmar, Gracenotes, do any of you know what's going on?
2008-03-06 23:03 < nokmar> guys use /ignore
2008-03-06 23:03 < White_Cat> time is the only thing that heals the relations
2008-03-06 23:03 < nokmar> I think it was an old arbcom case
2008-03-06 23:03 < Gracenotes> eh, you two sound like you're married. (not in a good way)
2008-03-06 23:03 < White_Cat> in real HR same rule applies
2008-03-06 23:04 < quanticle> White_Cat: You're hijacking the channel. Could you possibly take this to PM or something?
2008-03-06 23:04 < NedScott> alright, but I'm still not going to "bugger off"
2008-03-06 23:04 < White_Cat> Gracenotes ah right
2008-03-06 23:04 < Gracenotes> not newlyweds anymore?
2008-03-06 23:04 < White_Cat> quanticle I suggest not
2008-03-06 23:05 < White_Cat> Gracenotes I am not a merry man
2008-03-06 23:05 < Lubaf> Or you could take it to #wikipedia-en.
2008-03-06 23:05 < nokmar> it is here where raul comes in handy
2008-03-06 23:05 < quanticle> Why not? Its not like anyone here but you two actually knows what the dispute is about.
2008-03-06 23:05 < Lubaf> That channel is, after all, quite dead.
2008-03-06 23:05 < White_Cat> nokmar you only have 8 edits
2008-03-06 23:05 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: You a Ron Paul supporter?
2008-03-06 23:05 < White_Cat> try not to teach me everything
2008-03-06 23:05 < nokmar> who knows how many edits I have
2008-03-06 23:05 < Lubaf> I ask the question because "Raul" can be read as short for "Ron Paul".
2008-03-06 23:06 < Lubaf> And that's a lot saner than many Paul supporters.
2008-03-06 23:06 < NedScott> really?
2008-03-06 23:06 < NedScott> I thought Raul was a name in itself
2008-03-06 23:06 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Nokmar
2008-03-06 23:06 < White_Cat> 11
2008-03-06 23:06 < nokmar> again, who knows how many edits I have
2008-03-06 23:06 < Gracenotes> NedScott: it is...
2008-03-06 23:06 < Messedrocker> http://voice-of-resolution.blogspot.com/
2008-03-06 23:06 < NedScott> so I'm not insane
2008-03-06 23:06 < Lubaf> NedScott: The part about that idea being saner than many Paul supporters, yes.
2008-03-06 23:07 < Gracenotes> what does sanity have to do with it?
2008-03-06 23:07 < White_Cat> Gracenotes when is the next primary?
2008-03-06 23:07 < Lubaf> NedScott: The reason TTN got singled out, BTW, was that he kept on the controversial path, even after the first ArbCom case.
2008-03-06 23:07 < Gracenotes> White_Cat: I don't recall... could check, though
2008-03-06 23:08 < NedScott> TTN got singled out because of the bulk
2008-03-06 23:08 < quanticle> White_Cat: I think the fact that he has "only" 8 edits shouldn't factor into the validity of his ideas. Its in some people's natures to lurk until they see something egregiously wrong.
2008-03-06 23:09 < Gracenotes> such as a mistyped word
2008-03-06 23:09 < Gracenotes> :)
2008-03-06 23:09 < nokmar> whoa editcounter in mw now
2008-03-06 23:09 < White_Cat> quanticle you are now ignored
2008-03-06 23:09 < nokmar> kt is irrelevant
2008-03-06 23:09 < NedScott> I don't think that performing controversial actions is disruptive in itself
2008-03-06 23:09 < NedScott> but he didn't give time for people to breath
2008-03-06 23:09 < nokmar> sweetzors
2008-03-06 23:10 < NedScott> I think he pressed the wrong button
2008-03-06 23:10 < Gracenotes> quanticle, shame on you, spewing your malicious invective
2008-03-06 23:10 < quanticle> Gracenotes: What can I say? I'm a regular Demosthenes?
2008-03-06 23:11 < NedScott> I think arbcom should propose some kind of "try not to make the community panic" kind of thing
2008-03-06 23:11 < Gracenotes> they should replace the Main Page with DON'T PANIC in large friendly letters, perhaps?
2008-03-06 23:11 < NedScott> because, right or wrong, it almost never ends well
2008-03-06 23:12 < NedScott> that would be awesome
2008-03-06 23:12 < nokmar> of course, then some people would panic over the missing main page
2008-03-06 23:12 < Gracenotes> I see nokmar doesn't know where his towel is
2008-03-06 23:12 < nokmar> I actually do
2008-03-06 23:12 * zocky sucks on the pink stripes of his towel
2008-03-06 23:13 < NedScott> holy crap, ED is on DRV again
2008-03-06 23:13 * NedScott gets the popcorn
2008-03-06 23:13 < Gracenotes> NedScott: more sources, I suppose?
2008-03-06 23:13 < quanticle> NedScott: What do you mean, "Don't make the community panic?" Would it be analogous to, "Don't shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theater?"
2008-03-06 23:13 < nokmar> I haven't read the book in too long
2008-03-06 23:14 < Scream> i needz drmz
2008-03-06 23:15 < NedScott> well, it's not that TTN wanted people to panic
2008-03-06 23:15 < quanticle> NedScott: TTN?
2008-03-06 23:15 < NedScott> but his actions, right or wrong, casued them to panic
2008-03-06 23:16 * quanticle wonders "Who or what is TTN?"
2008-03-06 23:16 * Ceiling_Cat drops down on NedScott, glues furry ears, whiskers, and a tail on him
2008-03-06 23:16 < Gracenotes> [[User:TTN]]
2008-03-06 23:16 < NedScott> a guy who did a bunch of stuff on a large scale
2008-03-06 23:16 < White_Cat> my my
2008-03-06 23:16 < White_Cat> we want people to dictate their will
2008-03-06 23:16 < White_Cat> which template to use
2008-03-06 23:16 < White_Cat> what color the teomplate supposed to be
2008-03-06 23:16 < White_Cat> we want people to be disgusted and leave wikipedia
2008-03-06 23:16 < NedScott> but there's other situations this can be applied to
2008-03-06 23:17 < White_Cat> we will slay all resistance by numbers
2008-03-06 23:17 < Gracenotes> NedScott: well, so did David Gerard.
2008-03-06 23:17 < Lubaf> NedScott: That too.
2008-03-06 23:17 < Lubaf> Quantity has a quality all its own.
2008-03-06 23:17 < White_Cat> we will make up in numbers what we lack in quality
2008-03-06 23:17 < NedScott> something like "when you think your actions might panic the community, try to avoid the panic"
2008-03-06 23:17 < White_Cat> NedScott how about
2008-03-06 23:17 < White_Cat> when you actions annoy the hell out of some people perhaps you should stop
2008-03-06 23:18 < White_Cat> and reconsider your stance
2008-03-06 23:18 < White_Cat> dicuss
2008-03-06 23:18 < White_Cat> with the entire community
2008-03-06 23:18 < White_Cat> not your select friends
2008-03-06 23:18 < White_Cat> thats how we expected people to conduct their business to date
2008-03-06 23:18 < NedScott> actually, your reactions to me in the past has helped form this opinion
2008-03-06 23:18 < Scream> White_Cat it is ok to condense ytour statement without making newlines.
2008-03-06 23:18 < NedScott> I figured that since I felt I was right, I shouldn't have to consider your reactions, because they were your own
2008-03-06 23:19 < nokmar> come on
2008-03-06 23:19 < nokmar> if you're the only one bothered
2008-03-06 23:19 < White_Cat> NedScott right
2008-03-06 23:19 < nokmar> maybe you should simply ignore
2008-03-06 23:19 < NedScott> which is true to an extent
2008-03-06 23:19 < NedScott> but
2008-03-06 23:19 < White_Cat> NedScott actualy past arbcom cases suggests
2008-03-06 23:19 < NedScott> you reach a point where you don't want to argue principal anymore
2008-03-06 23:20 < NedScott> even if I am right, it doesn't matter because it makes my job harder
2008-03-06 23:20 < White_Cat> over simple issues we arbitrarily let the person with most contributon decide
2008-03-06 23:20 < White_Cat> for example what color the background of the template supposed to be
2008-03-06 23:20 < nokmar> no.
2008-03-06 23:20 < White_Cat> granted it can be discussed on the talk page
2008-03-06 23:21 < White_Cat> but it generaly isnt worth it if the template isnt under heavy use
2008-03-06 23:21 < White_Cat> or if the colors arent terrible
2008-03-06 23:21 < White_Cat> something like white over yellow
2008-03-06 23:21 < White_Cat> NedScott wikipedia has many standards on a lot of things
2008-03-06 23:21 < White_Cat> but over standardization kills creativity
2008-03-06 23:22 < NedScott> I think we're on two different topics at this point
2008-03-06 23:22 < White_Cat> and each person wants to work on the article they work on in their own way
2008-03-06 23:22 < White_Cat> NedScott not quite
2008-03-06 23:22 < White_Cat> what I am trying to say is
2008-03-06 23:22 < White_Cat> if a person is doing something differently
2008-03-06 23:22 < White_Cat> and that if it isnt disruptive
2008-03-06 23:22 < White_Cat> its generaly a bad idea to annoy him
2008-03-06 23:22 < White_Cat> or her
2008-03-06 23:22 < NedScott> yeah, see, this has nothing to do with what I'm talking about
2008-03-06 23:23 < White_Cat> you may be 100% correct at what you are doing
2008-03-06 23:23 < White_Cat> but attempting to talk to the person should come before reverting him
2008-03-06 23:23 < quanticle> Question: What is the meaning of "panic", as defined for an online community? After all, this isn't a physical building, where people could be hurt or killed if someone starts a stampede.
2008-03-06 23:23 < White_Cat> thats how I edit
2008-03-06 23:23 < White_Cat> in the case of TTN he made many problematic edits
2008-03-06 23:23 < White_Cat> this is evident in his last few edit summaries
2008-03-06 23:24 < nokmar> quanticle: an outbreak of irrational behavior
2008-03-06 23:24 < White_Cat> he admits in his edit breaking refs
2008-03-06 23:24 < Demi> quanticle - probably something like [[Penis panic]]
2008-03-06 23:24 < White_Cat> see, edits like that bothers people
2008-03-06 23:24 < White_Cat> espeialy me
2008-03-06 23:24 < NedScott> yes, but you get annoyed at everything
2008-03-06 23:25 < White_Cat> I dont like people (I do not care who they are) to make edits knowingly breaking something working
2008-03-06 23:25 < zocky> what's TTN?
2008-03-06 23:25 < zocky> Transient Tachypnea of the Newborn?
2008-03-06 23:25 < White_Cat> NedScott its very hard to annoy me unless you (anybody) are making a very dedicated effort
2008-03-06 23:25 < White_Cat> zocky a wikipedia user
2008-03-06 23:26 < White_Cat> to be restricted by arbcom as soon as the case is closed
2008-03-06 23:26 < White_Cat> which I think is a stupid remedy
2008-03-06 23:26 < NedScott> My experance suggests otherwise
2008-03-06 23:26 < White_Cat> I mean TTN wasnt the problem
2008-03-06 23:26 < nokmar> Demi: lulz.
2008-03-06 23:26 < White_Cat> the type of edits he made was
2008-03-06 23:26 < nokmar> TTN is a user
2008-03-06 23:26 < White_Cat> that should have been adressed first
2008-03-06 23:26 < NedScott> force was the problem, yes
2008-03-06 23:26 < NedScott> but not all of his edits were force
2008-03-06 23:27 < zocky> ah, I see, gamecruft and stuff
2008-03-06 23:27 < White_Cat> NedScott if I mass remove (there are 4 of them) a series of unreferanced and controversial categories from articles people yell at me
2008-03-06 23:27 < zocky> you people get this upset over that?
2008-03-06 23:27 < nokmar> it's weird when you have key members of an argument on ignore.
2008-03-06 23:28 < NedScott> TTN is the product of much fustration
2008-03-06 23:28 < Ceiling_Cat> http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/03/06/oldest.american.vet/
2008-03-06 23:28 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Frank Buckles]]
2008-03-06 23:28 < quanticle> nokmar: Ok. What sort of irrational behavior? In my experience on the Internet, I've found that people who troll tend to do so habitually, and people who genuinely contribute also tend to do so habitually. It seems rather unlikely that a troll could corrupt a habitual contributor, or that a habitual contributor could reform a troll.
2008-03-06 23:28 < quanticle> Therefore, how can destructively irrational behavior spread?
2008-03-06 23:28 < Ceiling_Cat> holy shit!
2008-03-06 23:28 < NedScott> well, for example
2008-03-06 23:29 < White_Cat> NedScott frustration?
2008-03-06 23:29 < Ceiling_Cat> he served in WWI, was captured by the japanese in WWII, and is now the last surviving WWI vetran in the US
2008-03-06 23:29 < White_Cat> NedScott imagine how frustrating it is for articles you spend months writing that went poof
2008-03-06 23:29 < NedScott> the last few times an admin had a "sock" on checkuser results
2008-03-06 23:29 < zocky> Ceiling_Cat, if he can hold on a bit longer, he could serve in WWIII
2008-03-06 23:29 < White_Cat> only because some person wants them removed
2008-03-06 23:30 < White_Cat> TTN is the CAUSE of massive amout of frustration
2008-03-06 23:30 < nokmar> quanticle: what does a troll do?
2008-03-06 23:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Zocky - Chest Puller served in World War I, World War II, Korea, and begged to be sent to Vietnam
2008-03-06 23:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Chesty Puller*
2008-03-06 23:30 < NedScott> Cat: that might be true, but it doesn't change what I just said
2008-03-06 23:30 < nokmar> for example, NedScott and White_Cat have just inflamed the channel
2008-03-06 23:30 < Ceiling_Cat> the marines refused to send him t Vietnam
2008-03-06 23:30 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Imagine all the history he's seen: WWI, Great Depression, WWII, Korea, civil rights movement, Vietnam, and finally, the dawn of the computer age...
2008-03-06 23:30 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat did he hijact an aricraft carrier?
2008-03-06 23:31 < zocky> Ceiling_Cat, all the normal people I know ran away from frontlines at first possible chance
2008-03-06 23:31 < zvook> I don't think strippers count as combatants
2008-03-06 23:31 < White_Cat> zvook well
2008-03-06 23:31 < White_Cat> they can be
2008-03-06 23:31 < White_Cat> if people try to touch
2008-03-06 23:31 < quanticle> nokmar: A troll is someone who posts false or nonsensical information in an attempt to reduce the signal-to-noise ratio in a forum.
2008-03-06 23:31 < zvook> White_Cat: true, i concede that