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2008-03-05 13:39 < TheWeasel> I liked the way Jon Stewart showed questions to Blair and questions to Bush "from the people"
2008-03-05 13:40 < TheWeasel> i.e. debates with Michael Howard and some townhall meeting
2008-03-05 13:40 < Demi> http://www.avclub.com/content/videocracy/4600
2008-03-05 13:40 < TheWeasel> American politicians would never dream publicly exposing themselves to such criticism
2008-03-05 13:40 < TheWeasel> it looks horrible on TV
2008-03-05 13:55 < mexicanbanana> I seem to recall -- perhaps in correctly -- YouTube having a feature which took you to a random video.
2008-03-05 13:55 < mooboo1> kinda sucks to donate to wikipedia when Jimmy Wales uses the money for dinner at Florida steakhouse for 4 people at $13000 ?
2008-03-05 13:56 < mexicanbanana> I cannot seem to find that feature now.
2008-03-05 13:56 < mooboo1> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/05/BUVFVDM3H.DTL
2008-03-05 13:56 < mooboo1> "For example, Wool said, Wales asked the foundation to reimburse him for a $1,300 dinner for four at a Florida steakhouse. "
2008-03-05 13:56 < Gracenotes> he's living the CEO existence. nothing shocking there.
2008-03-05 13:56 < mexicanbanana> What is #wikimedia-cats?
2008-03-05 13:56 < Gracenotes> (besides that he's CEO of a non-profit group.... >.> )
2008-03-05 13:57 < Gracenotes> and, not even CEO, never mind.
2008-03-05 13:57 < Gracenotes> spokesperson/godking/etc.
2008-03-05 13:59 < Lycurgus> hmm, $325 per person.
2008-03-05 14:00 < scorchsaber_> Gracenotes: Chariman emeritus or something
2008-03-05 14:00 < scorchsaber_> I don't care too much
2008-03-05 14:01 < scorchsaber_> Well, so long as it doesn't actually hurt wikipedia in the long run
2008-03-05 14:01 < Demi> it wouldn't be unusual for a business developer to spend that much
2008-03-05 14:01 < Demi> in networking and establishing contacts, unfortunately, because management has been lacking it's hard for people to tell who does what and why
2008-03-05 14:02 < Demi> except there doesn't seem to be a business developer besides ad-hoc activities by jimbo himself
2008-03-05 14:02 < NotACow> Demi: that's what bothers me most. there's a complete void of information as to what has bene going on
2008-03-05 14:02 < NotACow> Demi: they could have been making cigars out of the donatins and smoking them for all we know
2008-03-05 14:02 < NotACow> Demi: although frankly that sounds vile.
2008-03-05 14:02 < TheWeasel> Back.
2008-03-05 14:02 < mexicanbanana> More like Bimbo Wales.
2008-03-05 14:03 < mexicanbanana> What is #wikimedia-cats?
2008-03-05 14:03 < mooboo1> it dont exist
2008-03-05 14:03 < mexicanbanana> It does.
2008-03-05 14:03 < Lady_Aleena> I can't believe that Gary Gygax has died. This is such a shock.
2008-03-05 14:03 < TheWeasel> Who is Gary Gygax?
2008-03-05 14:03 * TheWeasel ducks
2008-03-05 14:04 < Lady_Aleena> I take it that you are not a fantasy person are you?
2008-03-05 14:04 < TheWeasel> No.
2008-03-05 14:04 < TheWeasel> I shouldn't even get visa for the internet
2008-03-05 14:04 < NotACow> TheWeasel: he's some guy who failed a constitution check
2008-03-05 14:04 < Lady_Aleena> Gary Gygax is a co-creator of the game Dungeons and Dragons.
2008-03-05 14:04 < NotACow> Lady_Aleena: was.
2008-03-05 14:04 < TheWeasel> I neither watch Star Trek, nor do I play D & D, nor do I code, nor do I enjoy Japanese comics.
2008-03-05 14:04 < gwern> NotACow: only jesus always makes saving throws
2008-03-05 14:04 < NotACow> HE'S DEAD, JIM
2008-03-05 14:05 < gwern> TheWeasel: why the heck are you here then?
2008-03-05 14:05 < Lady_Aleena> NotACow...it is still too recent for me to say was.
2008-03-05 14:05 < TheWeasel> I want to contribute to an encyclopedia, unless you mind.
2008-03-05 14:05 * gwern does, thanks for asking
2008-03-05 14:05 < TheWeasel> Okay, goodbye then.
2008-03-05 14:05 < Lady_Aleena> I watch Star Trek, play D&D, markup, but Japanese comics are too silly for me.
2008-03-05 14:06 < TheWeasel> oh, and I also don't think sci-fi authors are authorities on politics.
2008-03-05 14:07 < Lady_Aleena> I was going to share my sentiments about this on a more appropriate forum, but the forum is undergoing some sort of modification; and now I can't log in.
2008-03-05 14:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: there's an encyclopedia?
2008-03-05 14:07 < NotACow> TheWeasel: i thought wikipedia was a massively multiplayer blog.
2008-03-05 14:07 < Lady_Aleena> I like theoretical politics.
2008-03-05 14:07 < TheWeasel> I like sanity in politics.
2008-03-05 14:08 < NotACow> politics are crunchy
2008-03-05 14:08 < Lady_Aleena> wp:game :)
2008-03-05 14:08 < TheWeasel> Others like Hannity in politics, I like sanity.
2008-03-05 14:08 < Lady_Aleena> Hannity?
2008-03-05 14:09 < TheWeasel> [[Sean Hannity]]
2008-03-05 14:09 < Lady_Aleena> TheWeasel: Could you blurb it for me, or is there too much to make a good blurb?
2008-03-05 14:10 < mooboo1> Jimbo tried to get the foundation to pay for his Russian massage parlor visit? In addition to a $650 wine bill.
2008-03-05 14:11 < mooboo1> http://allswool.blogspot.com/2008/03/money-for-nothing-chicks-for-free.html
2008-03-05 14:11 < Lady_Aleena> TheWeasel, why didn't you just say that he is a conservative commentator?
2008-03-05 14:11 < Qst|busy> Right, I think thats all the testing
2008-03-05 14:20 < TheWeasel> I hate PDF
2008-03-05 14:20 < TheWeasel> it crashes my browser far too fast.
2008-03-05 14:21 < kenlyric_> Foxit Reader
2008-03-05 14:21 < kenlyric_> go
2008-03-05 14:21 < Demi> you need to change your preferences so that it saves the PDF which you can then open separately
2008-03-05 14:21 < kenlyric_> foxit reader does that by default
2008-03-05 14:21 < kenlyric_> opens it in another window rather than trying to embed it in the the browser
2008-03-05 14:22 < kenlyric_> also, it's tiny
2008-03-05 14:22 < TheWeasel> Yea, the weird thing is that Vista's interoperability manager or something jumps in between before I can even choose to download it or open it
2008-03-05 14:22 < TheWeasel> yea, will do so
2008-03-05 14:22 < Demi> hm
2008-03-05 14:23 < kenlyric_> foxit reader doesn't need a background PDF decoder running all the time in order to open your files quickly, either.
2008-03-05 14:24 < Demi> to return to the original sentiment, i hate PDF too
2008-03-05 14:29 < Lady_Aleena> How long does it take for the WikiProject Council to approve something? I have been waiting since 27 Feb.
2008-03-05 14:30 < Doc_glasgow> what is the wikiproject council?
2008-03-05 14:30 < Doc_glasgow> and what do they "approve"
2008-03-05 14:30 < Demi> "WikiProject Council" makes me think of those T-shirts that say "Bikini Inspector"
2008-03-05 14:30 * Doc_glasgow shudders at the thought
2008-03-05 14:31 < Doc_glasgow> I have no idea what the Wikiproject Council is, but the very name makes me sure it should be deleted
2008-03-05 14:31 < Lady_Aleena> [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council]]...too much to explain here.
2008-03-05 14:31 * Demi dons T-shirt, awaits bikinis for official inspection
2008-03-05 14:32 < Doc_glasgow> oh dear, oh dear
2008-03-05 14:32 < Doc_glasgow> Lady_Aleena: what do you need their approval for?
2008-03-05 14:33 < Lady_Aleena> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council#Proposal_regarding_fictional_series_WikiProject_proposals
2008-03-05 14:35 < TheWeasel> Fiction series or fictional series?
2008-03-05 14:35 < TheWeasel> Itchy and Scratchy Show is a fictional series
2008-03-05 14:36 < Demi> my favorite fictional series is Ow! My Balls!
2008-03-05 14:36 < Lady_Aleena> Fictional series, as in a series of fictional works, be it film, televion, books, video games, comics, etc.
2008-03-05 14:36 < TheWeasel> that would be a fiction series
2008-03-05 14:36 < TheWeasel> oh, nm
2008-03-05 14:37 < TheWeasel> fictional is an adjective, and an attribute of the noun next to it
2008-03-05 14:37 < Demi> it doesn't look like they claim to approve anything, exactly...
2008-03-05 14:37 < Lady_Aleena> Oh boy...you are right, the WikiProject is misnamed. ACK!
2008-03-05 14:37 < Lady_Aleena> I need a to do list.
2008-03-05 14:37 < Demi> my favorite frictional series is "Keeping Your Hands Warm" by Big McLargehuge
2008-03-05 14:39 < TheWeasel> there is so much question-begging on Wiktionary, it's embarrassing.
2008-03-05 14:39 < Demi> people use that?
2008-03-05 14:40 < TheWeasel> I check it sometimes, and have never found it useful as an En-En dictionary
2008-03-05 14:40 < TheWeasel> there's too much circular reasoning
2008-03-05 14:40 < Lady_Aleena> I am thinking that WP:WFs is going to ever take flight again. I wonder if it might be best to delete it.
2008-03-05 14:40 < TheWeasel> x-ic = having the quality X
2008-03-05 14:40 < TheWeasel> X = of an x-ic quality
2008-03-05 14:41 < Demi> "of or pertaining to quality"
2008-03-05 14:41 < Demi> you could move it to WP:WTF
2008-03-05 14:41 < TheWeasel> it's not on Wikipedia though
2008-03-05 14:41 < Demi> TheWeasel - the definition of "begging the question" is decent
2008-03-05 14:41 < TheWeasel> I liked our Russian Airports problem
2008-03-05 14:41 < TheWeasel> it was aweosme
2008-03-05 14:42 < TheWeasel> the place name redirected to an airfield named after the place
2008-03-05 14:42 < Demi> ah "beg the question" indeed does have misusage
2008-03-05 14:42 < TheWeasel> and it said "X is an airfield in [[X]]
2008-03-05 14:42 < TheWeasel> which was of course a redirect loop
2008-03-05 14:43 < TheWeasel> I don't know whether it persists.
2008-03-05 14:43 < Demi> i think i would have the support of all the descriptivists if i added "2. Savagely antagonistic" to the word of the day "viscous"
2008-03-05 14:43 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-03-05 14:43 < Demi> since i have seen that usage a lot, and obviously i'm an overly-pedantic ass if i don't accommodate it
2008-03-05 14:44 < TheWeasel> Viciousness = the quality of being sticky
2008-03-05 14:44 < Demi> TheWeasel - we have a lot of that kind of thing in lists, where list entries are actually redirects back to the list
2008-03-05 14:44 < gwern> not visciousness?
2008-03-05 14:44 < TheWeasel> yea, I know
2008-03-05 14:44 < TheWeasel> Viciousity
2008-03-05 14:44 < Demi> TheWeasel - yes, i'm weary of starting an argument over prescriptivismh
2008-03-05 14:45 < TheWeasel> there's alot of problems with that :-P
2008-03-05 14:45 < Demi> for all intensive purposes, it doesn't matter if you spell things right, does it?
2008-03-05 14:45 < Demi> i should of thought of that before i got people mad at me
2008-03-05 14:45 < TheWeasel> No, spelling just has to be understandable for practical porpoises.
2008-03-05 14:46 < TheWeasel> Definately.
2008-03-05 14:46 < Demi> as long as we adhere to some principals.
2008-03-05 14:46 < TheWeasel> We needn't write like they do in our nation's capitol.
2008-03-05 14:47 * TheWeasel thinks "definately" is probably the most common spelling error of our times
2008-03-05 14:47 < Demi> it's got to be up there
2008-03-05 14:47 < TheWeasel> in German, overuse of ß is one of the counterintuitive (for the number of ß was reduced) consequences of spelling reform
2008-03-05 14:47 < Demi> i think discreet/discrete and "dominate" as an adjective are really common but that's probably only because i visit a lot of sex and dating sites.
2008-03-05 14:48 < TheWeasel> people now put it in lieu of simple sharp s after all long vowels
2008-03-05 14:48 < Demi> sorry, my unicode is not up to snuff, which is that?
2008-03-05 14:48 < Demi> ah ess-zet
2008-03-05 14:48 < TheWeasel> eszett
2008-03-05 14:48 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-03-05 14:48 < Demi> (or however you render that)
2008-03-05 14:49 < TheWeasel> wonderful words like "meiszt" (instead of "meist", meaning "usually")
2008-03-05 14:49 < Demi> isn't german spelling reform something of a mess? as in, pretty radical stuff was supposed to be adopted but people aren't actually using them?
2008-03-05 14:49 < TheWeasel> Well...
2008-03-05 14:49 < TheWeasel> The radical stuff was making a lot more sense than the stuff they actually pushed through
2008-03-05 14:49 < TheWeasel> And they've taken back some of it already
2008-03-05 14:50 < TheWeasel> the most visible difference is replacing eszett with double-s after short vowels
2008-03-05 14:50 < Demi> what's the reasoning behind that? international spelling?
2008-03-05 14:50 < TheWeasel> from that people falsely assume that all long vowels now take eszett
2008-03-05 14:51 < TheWeasel> just a report on "typical errors of schoolchildren in dictations"
2008-03-05 14:51 < TheWeasel> in commata, German has now moved closer to "anything goes"
2008-03-05 14:51 < TheWeasel> it used to be a question of grammar rather than style where to put commas
2008-03-05 14:51 < Demi> it's interesting how worked up people get over language
2008-03-05 14:51 < TheWeasel> much of that is now more similar to English
2008-03-05 14:51 < TheWeasel> yea, bless their prescriptive soul.
2008-03-05 14:52 < Demi> for some reason, i've been seeing "weary" for "wary" a lot lately
2008-03-05 14:52 < TheWeasel> Mind you, people acted like end times had finally arrived.
2008-03-05 14:52 < TheWeasel> odd
2008-03-05 14:52 < TheWeasel> but that's at least a level where "wary" is used
2008-03-05 14:53 < NotACow> moopie
2008-03-05 14:53 < TheWeasel> I see ever more bad translation from English nowadays
2008-03-05 14:53 < TheWeasel> like not translating "momentum" which is a word completely unknown here
2008-03-05 14:53 < TheWeasel> and translating "vital" with "vital"
2008-03-05 14:53 < Demi> what is the learned word for it?
2008-03-05 14:54 < TheWeasel> Schwung
2008-03-05 14:54 < TheWeasel> "drive"
2008-03-05 14:54 < TheWeasel> "vital" (en.) = lebenswichtig (crucial for life), "vital" (de.) = active, healthy
2008-03-05 14:55 < TheWeasel> Today I read "ambitiös" for "ambitious"
2008-03-05 14:55 < Demi> oh i see
2008-03-05 14:55 < TheWeasel> that's just terrible
2008-03-05 14:55 < TheWeasel> and lazy and loveless treatment of the German language
2008-03-05 14:55 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-05 14:55 < TheWeasel> the word is "ehrgeizig"
2008-03-05 14:56 < NotACow> http://www.blahedo.org/blog/archives/001031.html <- interesting how wikipedia's problems are universal, not sui generis.
2008-03-05 14:56 < Demi> do you think people are just so familiar with certain english terms that it seems easier and more colloquial to leave them untranslated?
2008-03-05 14:56 < TheWeasel> well, maybe a case of lack of fantasy.
2008-03-05 14:56 * NotACow just blogged about something having ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WIKIPEDIA!
2008-03-05 14:57 < Demi> NotACow - sorry, i can't take anything seriously in that typeface
2008-03-05 14:57 < TheWeasel> I think the people who translated that spoke more fluent English than German due to their profession (diplomacy)
2008-03-05 14:57 < NotACow> Demi: hehe
2008-03-05 14:57 < NotACow> Demi: you would prefer courier?
2008-03-05 14:57 < NotACow> Demi: i need a new style anyway. i'll see what i can do.
2008-03-05 14:57 < TheWeasel> Is it Comic Sans?
2008-03-05 14:57 < Demi> it's something similar
2008-03-05 14:58 < TheWeasel> aka the most annoying font ever?
2008-03-05 14:58 < Demi> no, it's not as bad
2008-03-05 14:58 < TheWeasel> It is!
2008-03-05 14:58 < TheWeasel> That is Comic Sans
2008-03-05 14:58 < Demi> i wouldn't even have noticed had i not seen the Helvetica documentary last night
2008-03-05 14:58 < zvook> i liked that film
2008-03-05 14:58 < TheWeasel> Frats suck.
2008-03-05 14:59 < NotACow> it's trebuchet MS, or if you don't have that, Verdana.
2008-03-05 14:59 < TheWeasel> (at least they do here, where they'd call for the introduction of monarchy if they weren't so cowardly)
2008-03-05 14:59 < Demi> i liked it
2008-03-05 14:59 < NotACow> oh, don's?
2008-03-05 14:59 < NotACow> i think it might be comic sans
2008-03-05 14:59 < NotACow> i should whine at him about that, it's a really lame font
2008-03-05 14:59 < TheWeasel> Helvetica is teh rawk.
2008-03-05 14:59 < Demi> frats seemed pointless to me, and then when they do have a point, it's a bad one
2008-03-05 15:00 < NotACow> helvetica is the best general purpose font ever invented.
2008-03-05 15:00 < Demi> but i know, i know, i'm a nerd, so of *course* i would say that
2008-03-05 15:00 < TheWeasel> Frats are harmless in America, they're vile in Germany
2008-03-05 15:00 < zvook> http://www.helveticafilm.com/blog/2008/02/19/a-font-we-can-believe-in/
2008-03-05 15:00 < Demi> i don't know that i'm such a fan of helvetica
2008-03-05 15:00 < Demi> i liked the detracting voices in the documentary
2008-03-05 15:00 < zvook> "obama and his favorite font"
2008-03-05 15:01 < Demi> i think the best thing someone said was that helvetica was the ultimate terminal expression of a line of reasoning about typefaces
2008-03-05 15:01 < Demi> so that whatever it is, it absolutely epitomizes it
2008-03-05 15:01 < Lady_Aleena> zvook: How many images are on that blog page? It is taking forever to load.
2008-03-05 15:01 < TheWeasel> Helvetica/Haettenschweiler for Präsident!
2008-03-05 15:02 < quanticle> Helvetica is the most bullshit font I've ever seen. Arial Sans Serif for the win!
2008-03-05 15:02 < quanticle> ;D
2008-03-05 15:02 < Demi> my favorite typeface for screens is probably ProFont
2008-03-05 15:02 < quanticle> Have we already had the discussion about this: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/03/05/BUVFVDM3H.DTL
2008-03-05 15:02 < TheWeasel> Rockwell well rocks.
2008-03-05 15:02 < Demi> and for printed matter, always a serif font
2008-03-05 15:03 < quanticle> Times New Roman
2008-03-05 15:03 < quanticle> Or Palatino
2008-03-05 15:03 < TheWeasel> I like Rockwell, the Guinness Book of Records had that in the early 90s.
2008-03-05 15:03 < Demi> i remember when everyone was using palatino for everything
2008-03-05 15:03 < TheWeasel> quanticle: What about Wikipedia's Scotland?
2008-03-05 15:03 < Demi> i said somewhere that crappy soundtracks on youtube videos was this generation's equivalent of desktop publishing
2008-03-05 15:03 < Rinn> I vote for Comic Sans to be contrary.
2008-03-05 15:04 < NotACow> i just changed my blog to helvetica :)
2008-03-05 15:04 < Demi> quanticle - extensively
2008-03-05 15:04 < quanticle> Demi: Ah. Ok. I'll just read the backscroll then.
2008-03-05 15:04 < TheWeasel> Haettenschweiler is evil
2008-03-05 15:04 < Mimsy> For my IRC client, I use "Prototype" The old Disney Epcot Center Typeface
2008-03-05 15:04 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Just wondering if we'd already discussed it...
2008-03-05 15:04 < Mimsy> easy to read at a distanc
2008-03-05 15:04 < TheWeasel> I double dare people to read more than half a page of it
2008-03-05 15:05 < NotACow> http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/index.html :)
2008-03-05 15:05 < NotACow> same content, different font :)
2008-03-05 15:05 * TheWeasel hates Lucida
2008-03-05 15:05 < TheWeasel> I don't hate you if your name is Lucida, just the font.
2008-03-05 15:05 < Demi> NotACow - wow, talk about a terrible idea
2008-03-05 15:06 < quanticle> NotACow: I figured you'd already done something on it. In fact, when I saw the article, I wondered if SFGate hadn't ripped you off. ;)
2008-03-05 15:06 < Mimsy> http://members.aol.com/disneyfonts/pt.html (The font I use)
2008-03-05 15:07 < Demi> NotACow - the government bails out business capitalists all the time, the only thing here is that they're such small potatoes
2008-03-05 15:07 < nsh> who was that guy who lost his sight in some kind of accident (welding?) then regained some kind of visualisation, had a religious-type experience, and subsequently became a mystic?
2008-03-05 15:08 < nsh> i want to say <common anglosphere forename> Powers
2008-03-05 15:08 < quanticle> Steve
2008-03-05 15:08 < quanticle> Ryan
2008-03-05 15:08 < quanticle> Dave
2008-03-05 15:09 < Rinn> Mark
2008-03-05 15:09 < quanticle> Andy
2008-03-05 15:09 < Rinn> Robert
2008-03-05 15:09 < TheWeasel> Crispin
2008-03-05 15:09 < nsh> Rinn wins
2008-03-05 15:09 < NotACow> Demi: hm, what's the terrible idea?
2008-03-05 15:09 < nsh> although
2008-03-05 15:10 < Demi> "pay-option" mortgages
2008-03-05 15:10 < nsh> maybe not, this appears to be a comic book result
2008-03-05 15:10 < NotACow> Demi: the pay-option mortgages?
2008-03-05 15:10 < Demi> i have never heard of such a thing
2008-03-05 15:10 < NotACow> Demi: yeah, outrageously stupid.
2008-03-05 15:10 < NotACow> Demi: they are illegla in most states, for good reason
2008-03-05 15:10 < NotACow> Demi: they're designed for landlords.
2008-03-05 15:10 < Demi> i'm not exactly mr. financial management (rather the opposite) but i have always been suspicious of mortgage trickery
2008-03-05 15:10 < Demi> and this is trickeriest
2008-03-05 15:10 < NotACow> Demi: so when your property is unoccupied you can skip the payment
2008-03-05 15:10 < Demi> that's interesting
2008-03-05 15:11 < Demi> i do in fact have what amounts to an interest-only loan, though i don't pay on it that way
2008-03-05 15:11 < NotACow> Demi: a LOT of the weird mortgage products we've seen in the past few years were invented to support real estate speculation by small landlords.
2008-03-05 15:11 < NotACow> Demi: they are all predicated on the presumption that you'll hold the property for five to ten years and then sell it for the appreciation.
2008-03-05 15:12 < Demi> that's not unusual even if you live in a place
2008-03-05 15:12 < Demi> a lot of finance strategies are predicated on that, which is pretty normal
2008-03-05 15:13 < Rinn> Where could you live, if not in a place?
2008-03-05 15:13 < Sfan00> NotACow : And with speuclation comes a bust and crises, something regulators fail to see ;)
2008-03-05 15:14 < Demi> Rinn - i can't parse that
2008-03-05 15:14 < Demi> oh
2008-03-05 15:14 < Rinn> It's usually just best to assume I'm rambling mindlessly if I don't make sense.
2008-03-05 15:15 < Demi> it's not unusual to buy & finance a home on the assumption that you will sell it and realize appreciation in 4-6 years even if you live in that house
2008-03-05 15:15 < Demi> in fact you will get a lot of people giving you that advice
2008-03-05 15:15 < Demi> and my understanding is that most people do do that
2008-03-05 15:15 < Demi> you especially do that because you tend to make more money and consume more resources in general as your life & career advance, so it's a common pattern
2008-03-05 15:17 < Sfan00> Demi: The speucaltive attitude is what leads to housing crises
2008-03-05 15:17 < Sfan00> In the UK it will soon be impossible for normal people to buy houses owing to speculators pushing up prices...
2008-03-05 15:17 < Sfan00> This cannot be justified
2008-03-05 15:18 < Sfan00> And of course it should given more moeny to consume less as your carrer advances..
2008-03-05 15:20 < NotACow> Sfan00: tulips.
2008-03-05 15:20 < Sfan00> ??
2008-03-05 15:20 < Sfan00> Huh?
2008-03-05 15:20 < NotACow> Sfan00: holland had an economic crash at some point in the not too distant past caused by rampant speculation in tulips.
2008-03-05 15:21 < NotACow> 1630s
2008-03-05 15:21 < NotACow> http://www.stock-market-crash.net/tulip-mania.htm
2008-03-05 15:21 < Sfan00> Of course as some speculators never got over thier selfish attitudes, so it's up to governments to reign them in... not that many regulators have any spine to do so
2008-03-05 15:21 < Sfan00> (and even less in the US)
2008-03-05 15:22 < NotACow> they had tulip option contracts
2008-03-05 15:22 < NotACow> then people discovered that TULIPS MULTIPLY
2008-03-05 15:23 < NotACow> the prices plummeted (at one point, they were at the modern-day equivalent of about $76,000 per bulb)
2008-03-05 15:23 < nsh> hmm
2008-03-05 15:23 < NotACow> the heavily leveraged tulip market crashed, taking the dutch economy with it
2008-03-05 15:23 < NotACow> in six weeks the price went from $76,000 to less than $1
2008-03-05 15:24 < nsh> speaking of economic crashes caused by rampant speculation: what's the ratio of oil barrels bought to oil barrels traded in the US right now?
2008-03-05 15:24 < nsh> hint: pwnt
2008-03-05 15:27 * NotACow swivels her chair, whee
2008-03-05 15:28 < Sfan00> Of course the bank in the US have themselves to blame for getting into trouble?
2008-03-05 15:28 < Sfan00> I mean,loaning to No Income - No Job cases is NOT amart
2008-03-05 15:28 < Sfan00> *smart
2008-03-05 15:29 < Backstretch> I'm in need of some non-wiki advice.
2008-03-05 15:29 < Sfan00> OK
2008-03-05 15:29 < Sfan00> Whats the question?
2008-03-05 15:29 < Backstretch> Over the last two weeks, two teenage boys have been knocking on my door and running away.
2008-03-05 15:29 < Backstretch> I'd like some ideas on how to deal with them (without breaking the law)
2008-03-05 15:29 < gwern> Backstretch: hose'em
2008-03-05 15:29 < Sfan00> Which country are you in?
2008-03-05 15:29 < Backstretch> (and without having to maintain a 24/7 watch)
2008-03-05 15:29 < Backstretch> U.S.
2008-03-05 15:30 < Sfan00> OK
2008-03-05 15:30 < Sfan00> Do you have CCTV?
2008-03-05 15:30 < gwern> oh wait, without breaking the law. hm. you could just go to the police since they're harassing you
2008-03-05 15:30 < Backstretch> No, no cctv.
2008-03-05 15:30 < Sfan00> The other option is angry dog barking
2008-03-05 15:30 < Backstretch> Already went to the police. Can't catch 'em in the act.
2008-03-05 15:30 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-03-05 15:30 < Sfan00> :( about not ctaching them)
2008-03-05 15:30 < Backstretch> I wouldn't care if it was once or twice. But, it's harrassment now.
2008-03-05 15:30 < Sfan00> CCTV would be the answer
2008-03-05 15:31 < Messedrocker> electrify the door
2008-03-05 15:31 < Sfan00> but I am wary about recomending that
2008-03-05 15:31 < Messedrocker> anyone who touches it gets a lovely 1,000,000 volts
2008-03-05 15:31 < Backstretch> I thought of electricying the door.
2008-03-05 15:31 < Sfan00> Messedrocker: He said legal
2008-03-05 15:31 < Backstretch> *electrifying.
2008-03-05 15:31 < Sfan00> An electrifeid door is not nessacrily legal
2008-03-05 15:31 < Backstretch> Right. Sending voltage thour
2008-03-05 15:31 < Messedrocker> sure it is
2008-03-05 15:31 < Messedrocker> especially if you post a warning
2008-03-05 15:32 < Messedrocker> "WARNING: ELECTRIFIED DOOR"
2008-03-05 15:32 < Backstretch> I know their typical run-away path, and thought of booby trapping it.
2008-03-05 15:32 < Sfan00> ERM
2008-03-05 15:32 < Backstretch> But, that's probably illegal too.
2008-03-05 15:32 < Sfan00> Backstretch: Depends
2008-03-05 15:32 < shimgray> of course it's bloody illegal. it's an act intended to cause harm to another, without any particular mitigating facotrs.
2008-03-05 15:32 < shimgray> if by some chance it's not illegal, it's wrong
2008-03-05 15:32 < Backstretch> I'm not gonna zap 'em with a million volts. That's right out.
2008-03-05 15:32 < Sfan00> shimgray: I assume in the UK the approach is to try and catch'em on camera and get them ASBO'ed
2008-03-05 15:33 < Backstretch> Besides the cost of vaporizing my door, I don't want the legal hassle.
2008-03-05 15:33 < Backstretch> Are there places that rent motion activated CCTVs?
2008-03-05 15:34 < nsh> smokin' dudes don't sue
2008-03-05 15:34 < Sfan00> You could ask the 'Crime Prevention Team' of the Police Dept?
2008-03-05 15:34 < Backstretch> Ok, but what good would that do?
2008-03-05 15:35 < Backstretch> Would they have a CCTV I could borrow?
2008-03-05 15:35 < mooboo1> two kids knock on door and run away? boohooo big deal, stop crying, whats that kids do
2008-03-05 15:35 < mooboo1> you must have a fat ass if you whining about it
2008-03-05 15:35 * Mike_H NP: Elton John - Mama Can't Buy You Love (1979)
2008-03-05 15:35 < Messedrocker> does kinkos have an industrial printer
2008-03-05 15:35 < Sfan00> They would advise on possible suppliers?
2008-03-05 15:36 < Messedrocker> that prints really quickly
2008-03-05 15:36 < gwern> '2) Even by blog standards, "All's Wool that Ends Wool" is a pretty awful name.'
2008-03-05 15:36 < Backstretch> welcome to my ignore list mooboo.
2008-03-05 15:36 < Messedrocker> gwern, who said that
2008-03-05 15:36 < Rinn> Someone on Slashdot.
2008-03-05 15:37 < kim__> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:IP_block_exemption#Who_is_strongly_opposed.3F
2008-03-05 15:37 < Messedrocker> it's not an awful name
2008-03-05 15:37 < Messedrocker> YOU'RE just UNCULTURED!
2008-03-05 15:37 < gwern> Rinn: ...ARE YOU STALKING ME???
2008-03-05 15:37 < kim__> Messedrocker, defending toy? :-P
2008-03-05 15:37 < kim__> tony too
2008-03-05 15:38 < Messedrocker> who the hell is tony
2008-03-05 15:38 < nsh> pubmed access anyone?
2008-03-05 15:38 < gwern> tony sidaway mebbe
2008-03-05 15:38 < kim__> Messedrocker, Anticipation Of A New Lover's Arrival, The.
2008-03-05 15:38 < kim__> Messedrocker, which is a very cultured new accountname :-)
2008-03-05 15:39 < Messedrocker> no, i was defending the name Alls Wool That Ends Wool
2008-03-05 15:39 < kim__> nsh, everyone has that, it's public :-)
2008-03-05 15:39 < Rinn> gwern: No, and I'm certainly not in your other channels.
2008-03-05 15:39 < kim__> Messedrocker, eh?
2008-03-05 15:40 < kim__> anyway, fair warning here too [[Wikipedia:IP_block_exemption]] will be policy unless people start opposing
2008-03-05 15:40 < kim__> looks almost unanimous so far
2008-03-05 15:40 < nsh> oh, the article's in russian anyway
2008-03-05 15:40 < Sfan00> Backstretch: Of course once you have CCTV it should be easy to get the 'yoofs' under control
2008-03-05 15:40 < Messedrocker> yes
2008-03-05 15:40 < Messedrocker> assuming the CCTV has a turret mounted on it
2008-03-05 15:40 < Sfan00> ?
2008-03-05 15:41 < Lucifer_Cat> !
2008-03-05 15:41 < Sfan00> I thought you needed a permit for automatics in the US?
2008-03-05 15:41 < Messedrocker> i feel like playing halo now...
2008-03-05 15:41 * Messedrocker stares at his xbox 360
2008-03-05 15:41 < leileilol> i haven't seen kasuga in a while
2008-03-05 15:41 < leileilol> like 7 weeks
2008-03-05 15:41 < Lucifer_Cat> Sfan00: permit for what?
2008-03-05 15:41 < Messedrocker> Lucifer_Cat, for automatic weapons
2008-03-05 15:41 < Lucifer_Cat> ah
2008-03-05 15:41 < Sfan00> Lucfier_Cat; Turret Mounted automatic weapons?
2008-03-05 15:42 < Lucifer_Cat> theyre sweet. damn red tape, i cant use them here.
2008-03-05 15:43 < AndonicO> Does anyone have access to the online Britannica?
2008-03-05 15:43 < Mike_H> WASHINGTON - The economy has weakened since the start of this year as shoppers turned even more cautious given the severe housing slump and painful credit crunch.
2008-03-05 15:43 < Mike_H> Oh, my God
2008-03-05 15:43 < Mike_H> this is news?
2008-03-05 15:44 < Sfan00> Mike_H: LOL
2008-03-05 15:44 < Mike_H> I mean, do they expect people to be shocked?
2008-03-05 15:44 < Messedrocker> Mike_H, yeah, I'd rather see LINDSAY LOHAN FUCKING BRITNEY SPEARS
2008-03-05 15:44 < Messedrocker> that's news 4eel
2008-03-05 15:44 < Sfan00> At least it isn't Obama <> Clinton
2008-03-05 15:44 < Mike_H> Gas is at $3.25 a gallon
2008-03-05 15:44 < Mike_H> unemployment is rising
2008-03-05 15:44 < leileilol> agreed
2008-03-05 15:44 < leileilol> paris hilton flushes toilet and changes underwear BREAKING NEWS
2008-03-05 15:44 < Sfan00> High gas prices in the US are a mixed blessing
2008-03-05 15:44 < Mike_H> Messedrocker: That's not my point
2008-03-05 15:44 < Sfan00> It will force the US to adpat to a lo-gas economy
2008-03-05 15:44 < leileilol> screw starving children in africa what people want to know is what paris hilton is eating
2008-03-05 15:44 < Mike_H> my point is that everyone knows the economy is going to shit
2008-03-05 15:44 < Backstretch> Gas prices in the U.S. are still nothing compared to many places in the world.
2008-03-05 15:44 < Mike_H> this article isn't telling anyone anything.
2008-03-05 15:45 < Sfan00> Backstrethc; Oh really?
2008-03-05 15:45 < Mike_H> Backstretch: Well, I don't live in "many places in the world" so I don't care about them.
2008-03-05 15:45 < Sfan00> And how much of the gas prcie wlsewhere is TAX?
2008-03-05 15:45 < Sfan00> I mean gas tax in the US is comparativley lo
2008-03-05 15:45 < Messedrocker> Hey, remember when gas hit $1/gallon?
2008-03-05 15:45 < Mike_H> Sfan00: I believe nationally it's like 50 cents a gallon, and then there are state and city taxes
2008-03-05 15:45 < Backstretch> Sfan00: Sure. But, when you pay $8/gallon at the pump, do you really care how much of it is tax?
2008-03-05 15:45 < Messedrocker> why is there a gas tax?
2008-03-05 15:46 < Backstretch> Why is there tax? :)
2008-03-05 15:46 < Mike_H> Messedrocker: it funds highway initiatives and bridges and interstates and such
2008-03-05 15:46 < Messedrocker> because the govt needs money
2008-03-05 15:46 < Sfan00> Backstretch: in the UK people do
2008-03-05 15:46 < Backstretch> There's your answer.
2008-03-05 15:46 < Messedrocker> Mike_H, good reason
2008-03-05 15:46 < Messedrocker> i propose we eliminate the gas tax and sell our highways to disney
2008-03-05 15:46 < Mike_H> but there are other taxes by city and state
2008-03-05 15:46 < Mike_H> which explains why the South usually has cheaper has
2008-03-05 15:46 < Mike_H> *gas
2008-03-05 15:46 < Backstretch> And let Goofy do highway interchanges?
2008-03-05 15:46 < Mike_H> and the West has the most expensive.
2008-03-05 15:46 < Sfan00> Well in the UK, Gas tax isn't related to 'highways' - theres a seperate road tax for that
2008-03-05 15:47 < Mike_H> Sfan00: Our interstate highway system is rather vast, so many different taxes are used and then pooled together.
2008-03-05 15:47 < Sfan00> (And of course the UK no wants to charge people for sitting in traffic jams in cities :O )
2008-03-05 15:47 < Messedrocker> The incumbents in office would be really popular if they abolished gas tax
2008-03-05 15:47 < Sfan00> *now
2008-03-05 15:47 < Sfan00> The UK could implement better public transport, something the US can't
2008-03-05 15:47 < Messedrocker> jesus is the answer!!
2008-03-05 15:48 < Backstretch> No, jwales is.
2008-03-05 15:48 * Backstretch wishes people would keep up on the latest religious dogma
2008-03-05 15:48 < Mike_H> You're right, he is 2008's answer to Jim Bakker.
2008-03-05 15:48 * Backstretch cries in pain from laughing so hard.
2008-03-05 15:48 < NotACow> booooooooom!
2008-03-05 15:48 < leileilol> hmm wikibokos needs a "^_^ ANIME MEDIA MAKIN GUIDE" book imo!!!
2008-03-05 15:49 < leileilol> wikibooks
2008-03-05 15:49 < leileilol> but that's not wp
2008-03-05 15:49 < leileilol> so i dunno why i'm lazy enough to mention that here
2008-03-05 15:49 < leileilol> :S
2008-03-05 15:49 < Sfan00> leileilol: You could ask Kasuga to help you?
2008-03-05 15:49 < leileilol> no
2008-03-05 15:49 < leileilol> i'd rather not bother him
2008-03-05 15:49 < leileilol> he has too many fans to deal with already
2008-03-05 15:49 < Sfan00> But you would agree he's a reasonable artist?
2008-03-05 15:49 < leileilol> yes
2008-03-05 15:50 < leileilol> i haven't seen kasuga in a while though
2008-03-05 15:50 < leileilol> not in 7 weeks
2008-03-05 15:50 < leileilol> i have a creative block and my drawing skills suck though so i couldn't do it if i wanted
2008-03-05 15:51 < leileilol> i want to make some -tans for good linux apps like vim-tan dosbox-tan and sdl-sopwith-tan
2008-03-05 15:51 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-05 15:51 < leileilol> also gav-tan (gpl arcade volleyball)
2008-03-05 15:52 < Lubaf> Pata pata pata pon / Pata pata pata pon / Pata pata pata pon...
2008-03-05 15:52 * Lubaf gets out his claw hammer.
2008-03-05 15:52 < NotACow> haha
2008-03-05 15:52 < NotACow> http://garfieldminusgarfield.tumblr.com/post/28042880
2008-03-05 15:52 < Sfan00> leileilol: vim-tan? Do she row with Emacs-tan?
2008-03-05 15:52 < leileilol> probably
2008-03-05 15:53 < leileilol> kdesu-tan would probably have two differing eyes as a reference in its name
2008-03-05 16:02 < Monobi> Yo, anyone got a list of pages that need to be moved en mass
2008-03-05 16:03 < Monobi> I'll do it for you ;)
2008-03-05 16:12 * TheWeasel is bored like nobody's business
2008-03-05 16:14 < TheWeasel> not that I'm not doing anything, but it is boring
2008-03-05 16:14 < NotACow> TheWeasel: start a blog!
2008-03-05 16:14 * TheWeasel is busy *and* bored
2008-03-05 16:15 < NotACow> go troll someone
2008-03-05 16:15 < TheWeasel> I'm *busy*
2008-03-05 16:15 < TheWeasel> I just don't want to do this.
2008-03-05 16:15 < mavhk> complain about it on irc
2008-03-05 16:15 < TheWeasel> Done.
2008-03-05 16:17 < TheWeasel> My tea makes my tongue dry.
2008-03-05 16:17 < Lucifer_Cat> be a weasel about it
2008-03-05 16:17 < NotACow> write a blog article about how terrible it is
2008-03-05 16:18 < NotACow> blame it all on jimmy
2008-03-05 16:18 * TheWeasel blames it on the rouge admins
2008-03-05 16:20 < TheWeasel> or else on the Bossa Nova
2008-03-05 16:21 < leileilol> or his brother bimmy
2008-03-05 16:21 < leileilol> bimmy wales
2008-03-05 16:21 < TheWeasel> Jonny Scotland
2008-03-05 16:22 < TheWeasel> Brad Ulster
2008-03-05 16:22 < Lucifer_Cat> Giles of Mann?
2008-03-05 16:22 < leileilol> (double dragon 3 reference failed)
2008-03-05 16:22 < Demi> Farmer Giles of Ham?
2008-03-05 16:22 < TheWeasel> Crispin Van Sark
2008-03-05 16:26 < TheWeasel> "The defendant claimed that well-known TV journalist J looked "like a dried-up goat, at whose sight people's milk turns sour""
2008-03-05 16:28 < TheWeasel> sorry, "a goat milked empty"
2008-03-05 16:28 < Demi> is this a witchcraft trial
2008-03-05 16:28 < Demi> ?
2008-03-05 16:29 < TheWeasel> no, a defamation one
2008-03-05 16:29 < TheWeasel> from the 1960s
2008-03-05 16:30 < TheWeasel> also claimed she "belonged in a second-rate speakeasy"
2008-03-05 16:34 < TheWeasel> I love libel law.
2008-03-05 16:35 < Demi> these are somewhat strange insults
2008-03-05 16:36 < TheWeasel> yea, but the strangeness made them more extravagant and powerful
2008-03-05 16:37 < TheWeasel> she got 10,000 marks, today's claimants would get up in the morning for that
2008-03-05 16:37 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Why do you ignore my PMs? :(
2008-03-05 16:38 < TheWeasel> I saw it but I didn't get it, I thought you weren't here
2008-03-05 16:38 < Mike_H> no, I was
2008-03-05 16:38 < Mike_H> just not chatting
2008-03-05 16:38 < TheWeasel> oh, fair enough
2008-03-05 16:44 < Demi> TheWeasel - what was the damage in that case?
2008-03-05 16:44 < Demi> she felt bad? she couldn't get modeling jobs
2008-03-05 16:44 < Demi> ?
2008-03-05 16:55 < Lucifer_Cat> no she couldnt
2008-03-05 17:02 < NotACow> woiks.
2008-03-05 17:06 < Falc> http://youtube.com/watch?v=PD_EX0s22BM <- Anyone know the song at 7:53?
2008-03-05 17:09 < Comets> this channel died since Kelly Martin left :(
2008-03-05 17:09 < The359> wut?
2008-03-05 17:10 < Demi> yeah, seven minutes ago... those were the days
2008-03-05 17:10 < Demi> not like the crap you get now
2008-03-05 17:10 < brown_cat> she's gone?
2008-03-05 17:10 < brown_cat> YAY!
2008-03-05 17:11 < Demi> falc - that is by squeeze, um, hang on one
2008-03-05 17:11 < Falc> <3!
2008-03-05 17:11 < Demi> take me i'm yours
2008-03-05 17:11 < Demi> that's it
2008-03-05 17:11 < kibble> v
2008-03-05 17:13 < Falc> Demi: No. The one after that. >_>
2008-03-05 17:13 < Demi> pttth
2008-03-05 17:16 < Demi> falc - i don't know, sorry
2008-03-05 17:16 < Falc> Okay. Thanks anyway. :3
2008-03-05 17:17 < Cyrius> heh, slashdot got a hold of the newish jimbo stories
2008-03-05 17:17 < Cyrius> they're having a hard time working up any collective outrage
2008-03-05 17:17 < Cyrius> "Good god, if this is corruption then about 95% of the people in middle and upper management should be in jail."
2008-03-05 17:19 < Comets> The359, lol joke :P
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> BokuWaYokuMeku: who the fuck looks up wienerwurst on wikipedia when they dont even have an article for americas choice brand foods
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> kittykyriaki: this must be corrected
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> kittykyriaki: wait
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> kittykyriaki: it's a store brand
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> BokuWaYokuMeku: its a nationwide generic food manufacturer
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> kittykyriaki: America's Choice - A&P
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> kittykyriaki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Atlantic_and_Pacific_Tea_Company
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> kittykyriaki: Headquarters Montvale, New Jersey
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> BokuWaYokuMeku: it needs a redirection
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> BokuWaYokuMeku: when someone searches for its subsidiaries
2008-03-05 17:19 < Melanie_> Can anyone do this? I'm not quite sure how.
2008-03-05 17:20 < Demi> how to make a redirect, you mean?
2008-03-05 17:20 < The359> You mean you want [[Wienerwurst]] to redirect to [[The Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company]]?
2008-03-05 17:20 < The359> (did we really need the whole conversation pasted?)
2008-03-05 17:22 * soufron Anthere3
2008-03-05 17:22 < Melanie_> Well, searching for America's choice nets you an article on some band, but it prolly should go to the great Atlantic and pacific tea company, cause people are prolly more familiar with the brand than the band.
2008-03-05 17:22 < Melanie_> And no, I suppose you didn't, but I was kind of being lazy.
2008-03-05 17:22 * Cyrius hasn't heard of either
2008-03-05 17:22 * The359 doesn't know of either as well
2008-03-05 17:23 < NotACow> Melanie_: bands are more important than commercial brands.
2008-03-05 17:23 < Cyrius> I've never even seen an A&P
2008-03-05 17:23 < Cyrius> NotACow: this is a store brand, much worse
2008-03-05 17:23 < Demi> Melanie_ - does the A&P article list the brand?
2008-03-05 17:23 < The359> also, it goes to an album
2008-03-05 17:23 < The359> not a band
2008-03-05 17:23 < Cyrius> demi: it's in there
2008-03-05 17:23 < Cyrius> doesn't even say anything about it
2008-03-05 17:23 < The359> is that the shitty Wal-Mart brand?
2008-03-05 17:24 < Cyrius> no, A&P
2008-03-05 17:24 < Cyrius> what we've been talking about
2008-03-05 17:24 < Demi> that's Sam's Choice, The359
2008-03-05 17:24 < The359> A&P?
2008-03-05 17:24 < The359> ah
2008-03-05 17:24 < Demi> it's like a supermarket, except for southeasterners
2008-03-05 17:24 < Cyrius> you haven't been paying attention to any of this, have you
2008-03-05 17:24 < Cyrius> "Great Atlantic and Pacific Tea Company" = A&P
2008-03-05 17:24 < The359> I've never heard of an A&P
2008-03-05 17:25 < Lucifer_Cat> nope
2008-03-05 17:25 < Demi> i can't see any reason to choose one over the other
2008-03-05 17:25 < Cyrius> you were given a link to the article about it =O
2008-03-05 17:25 < Cyrius> Demi: southeasterners? meh, midatlantic
2008-03-05 17:25 < The359> that still doesn't mean I know the store
2008-03-05 17:25 < Cyrius> doesn't go south of maryland
2008-03-05 17:25 < Demi> Cyrius - okay
2008-03-05 17:25 < The359> they apparently even have it in this state
2008-03-05 17:25 < The359> and I sure hell haven't heard of it
2008-03-05 17:26 < Demi> i'm probably confusing it with kroger's or gaeffer's or some other thing
2008-03-05 17:26 < Demi> but anyway
2008-03-05 17:26 < Cyrius> never even heard of gaeffer
2008-03-05 17:26 < The359> I don't see a reason for a supermarket brand to be used as a redirect
2008-03-05 17:26 < Kyriaki> I was just wondering if maybe there could be something like a disambiguation thing, like if you mean the store brand, then it links to the A&P article
2008-03-05 17:26 < Demi> you could
2008-03-05 17:26 < Cyrius> Kroger is the second-biggest food retailer on the continent
2008-03-05 17:26 < Kyriaki> I'm not really experienced with this, so I'm not sure how to implement it.
2008-03-05 17:27 < Demi> yes, they also own fred meyer, which is one of my favorite retail establishments
2008-03-05 17:29 < Falc> Found that song!
2008-03-05 17:29 < Falc> David Holmes - $165 Million
2008-03-05 17:30 < Demi> the problem i have with saying (in effect) "if you want more information about the America's Choice brand, see [[foo]] is that there really isn't any information to read about foo
2008-03-05 17:30 < Demi> Falc - good for you
2008-03-05 17:30 < Falc> XD
2008-03-05 17:31 < Cyrius> you mean, to read about the brand, there's stuff about foo
2008-03-05 17:31 < Cyrius> we don't have any information about the brand
2008-03-05 17:32 * Messedrocker is the eye in the sky looking at Demi
2008-03-05 17:32 < Demi> yeah
2008-03-05 17:32 < Demi> in other words a disambig might be appropriate but there's nothing really on offer for the other limb of the disambig
2008-03-05 17:33 < Demi> also the "Rewards Program" section of [[Fred Meyer]] is awfully written
2008-03-05 17:33 < Kyriaki> It just seems weird that the info isn't there, I suppose it just didn't catch anyone's interest.
2008-03-05 17:35 < NotACow> YARF!
2008-03-05 17:36 < NotACow> Demi: ooh, a wikipedia article that sucks. STOP THE PRESSES!
2008-03-05 17:36 < Demi> oh, they're stopped