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2008-03-04 16:11 < Golbez> Cyrius- basically, yeah, i have to rank things
2008-03-04 16:11 < Golbez> obama wins foreign policy, mccain wins economic policy, obama wins civil policy
2008-03-04 16:11 < Golbez> what i have to do is rank these issues
2008-03-04 16:12 < Golbez> and pick which is most important and go with that candidate
2008-03-04 16:12 < TheWeasel> most votes are hold-your-nose votes I guess.
2008-03-04 16:13 < Cyrius> you know why I don't want to vote for obama? because the various bits of his campaign won't stop fucking calling
2008-03-04 16:13 < TheWeasel> Except when voting for oneself.
2008-03-04 16:14 < TheWeasel> Yea, that seems like terror.
2008-03-04 16:14 < zvook> Messedrocker: what do you think of that clip? mccain seems psychotic, does he not?
2008-03-04 16:14 < Cyrius> haven't gotten any calls from the clinton campaign, which seems weird
2008-03-04 16:14 < TheWeasel> Maybe your area doesnt fit the swing profile
2008-03-04 16:15 < TheWeasel> she aims for
2008-03-04 16:15 < Cyrius> I think it's too black
2008-03-04 16:15 < zvook> a very different man from the guy who handed romney his ass re waterboarding in the debate
2008-03-04 16:15 < TheWeasel> Perhaps
2008-03-04 16:15 < Golbez> Cyrius- heh
2008-03-04 16:15 < Golbez> Cyrius- we went through that in January, but since the caucuses Iowa has been purely a spectator. It's kind of fun.
2008-03-04 16:16 < shimgray> on past form from the Clinton campaign, they're probably phoning up the wrong state entirely
2008-03-04 16:16 < TheWeasel> I don't think people over here have ever been as knowledgeable about American elections as this time.
2008-03-04 16:17 < Cyrius> americans are paying more attention than usual, it seems
2008-03-04 16:19 < NotASpy> I didn't think Americans had an attention span greater than 90 minutes ?
2008-03-04 16:19 < TheWeasel> Duh
2008-03-04 16:19 < TheWeasel> They watch American Football
2008-03-04 16:19 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-04 16:19 < TheWeasel> And baseball.
2008-03-04 16:20 < TheWeasel> I get nervous pretty fast watching AF
2008-03-04 16:20 < Golbez> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Potd/2008-03#08 :D:D:D:D:D:DDDD::DDD
2008-03-04 16:20 < TheWeasel> it's a series of pauses, interspersed with people bumping into each other
2008-03-04 16:22 < TheWeasel> Golbez: You mean the "sometime" thing?
2008-03-04 16:22 < Golbez> I mean the fact that an image i made will be on the commons front page yays
2008-03-04 16:22 < Golbez> the sometime thing is at present unavoidable, i need to go back and research deeper
2008-03-04 16:23 < TheWeasel> Oh, right
2008-03-04 16:23 < TheWeasel> congrats.
2008-03-04 16:23 < TheWeasel> looks nic
2008-03-04 16:23 < TheWeasel> e
2008-03-04 16:23 < TheWeasel> isn't it "some time" though?
2008-03-04 16:23 < Golbez> not necessarily
2008-03-04 16:24 < TheWeasel> Oh, fair enough
2008-03-04 16:24 < Haemo> ...wait what
2008-03-04 16:24 < Haemo> What is this about cats?
2008-03-04 16:25 < Cyrius> meow
2008-03-04 16:28 < TheWeasel> How can a cat at once have cat nature and Buddha-nature?
2008-03-04 16:28 < TheWeasel> Meo-u.
2008-03-04 16:30 < AdamBishop> it has a diophysite nature
2008-03-04 16:30 * TheWeasel chops your ear off.
2008-03-04 16:31 < TheWeasel> Cats and non-cats are only chopped ears when you hold tight.
2008-03-04 16:31 < TheWeasel> Sorry, the end of that sentence didn't look very Zen.
2008-03-04 16:35 < zvook> a zen master once cut a cat in half.
2008-03-04 16:36 < TheWeasel> yea, I read that
2008-03-04 16:36 < Falc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Andean_diplomatic_crisis
2008-03-04 16:37 < zvook> his students couldn't say anything satisfactory to save it.
2008-03-04 16:37 < TheWeasel> because two disciples were fighting on who'd get to keep it
2008-03-04 16:37 < zvook> yeah
2008-03-04 16:37 < zvook> two wings of a monastry i think
2008-03-04 16:37 < Falc> which resulted in an Epic Rick Roll
2008-03-04 16:37 < zvook> then Joshu put his shoes on his head, which woulda saved it.
2008-03-04 16:37 < zvook> Go figure.
2008-03-04 16:38 < zvook> i think Nansen was the murderer
2008-03-04 16:39 < zvook> it wasn't a solomon thing.
2008-03-04 16:40 < zvook> more like zen iz seriuz bizness or some such.
2008-03-04 16:41 < zvook> difficult to explain the killing.
2008-03-04 16:42 < zvook> hence the entire incident is a koan.
2008-03-04 16:43 < TheWeasel> explanations are un-Buddha.
2008-03-04 16:43 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-04 16:44 < gwern> like dew drops / on a lotus leaf / the cat vanishes
2008-03-04 16:45 < TheWeasel> Chinese poetry is odd.
2008-03-04 16:45 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> The Case of the Canadian Columnist Wronged by Wikipedia's Smooth Svengali!
2008-03-04 16:45 < TheWeasel> it likes small things
2008-03-04 16:45 < TheWeasel> as well as unusual colorings
2008-03-04 16:45 < Mike_H> That would be the Jimmy/Rachel drama if this were an episode of The People's Court
2008-03-04 16:45 < TheWeasel> it's full of blue eyebrows and that kind of stuff
2008-03-04 16:46 < gwern> Empty-handed I entered the world \ Barefoot I leave it. \\ My coming, my going - \ Two simple happenings \ That got entangled.
2008-03-04 16:46 < zvook> magic cat at three/AM, circles me twice, leaves/me like a lover
2008-03-04 16:46 < zvook> oh the blue eyebrows stuff. that's all allusive, isn't it?
2008-03-04 16:47 < gwern> probably. chinese poets are congenitally allusive
2008-03-04 16:47 < zvook> a green veranda indicates courtesans, blue yebrows mean it's Spring, and so on
2008-03-04 16:47 < zvook> ;)
2008-03-04 16:47 < TheWeasel> Western poetry did that in Baroque times
2008-03-04 16:48 < TheWeasel> things that were winks and nudges to the classically educated readers
2008-03-04 16:48 < gwern> we're losing our common cultural base, which makes allusion a much more problematic tool
2008-03-04 16:48 < zvook> now we just use pipe links
2008-03-04 16:49 < TheWeasel> Pop culture references, used with satirical distance, are a hallmark of postmodernity
2008-03-04 16:50 < gwern> a technical crutch for our collective amnesia
2008-03-04 16:50 < TheWeasel> Perhaps... but entertaining :-D
2008-03-04 16:51 < gwern> no, entertaiing is finding the dirty words in classic poems like Marvell's to his coy mistress ('quaint', btw)
2008-03-04 16:52 < TheWeasel> Or in Ophelia.
2008-03-04 16:52 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-04 16:52 < TheWeasel> Whatever
2008-03-04 16:52 < zvook> You mean Hamlet?
2008-03-04 16:52 * gwern sighs. darn upgrade broke me mplayer, just when I wanted to watch something
2008-03-04 16:52 < TheWeasel> Heh
2008-03-04 16:53 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-03-04 16:53 < zvook> yeah that gets pretty saucy
2008-03-04 16:53 < Lubaf> Here's a math problem for you: You have a 20% chance of being visited by the inspector between 9AM and 5PM on one particular day. It is now 2PM, and no inspector has appeared. What is the probability you will be visited today?
2008-03-04 16:53 < TheWeasel> 20%.
2008-03-04 16:53 < gwern> Lubaf: 20%, unless I'm missing some assumptions
2008-03-04 16:53 < shimgray> Zero. Unless you go to the post office, in which case about 80% in the next hour
2008-03-04 16:53 < shimgray> your feeble "maths
2008-03-04 16:54 < shimgray> " do not apply here
2008-03-04 16:54 < zvook> lol
2008-03-04 16:54 < shimgray> (except perhaps withoutt the linebreak)
2008-03-04 16:54 < Lubaf> gwern: Restatement:
2008-03-04 16:54 < Lubaf> The inspector is inspecting 20% of all people in a certain class.
2008-03-04 16:54 < shimgray> gwern: http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/1568.html
2008-03-04 16:55 < jimius> probability math is insane
2008-03-04 16:55 < Lubaf> What is the probability of the inspector coming today, given that it is 2PM?
2008-03-04 16:55 < TheWeasel> 3/8 left...
2008-03-04 16:55 < gwern> Lubaf: are we assuming an even probability distribution over every instant between 9AM and 5PM?
2008-03-04 16:56 < NotASpy> with only that level of data, it's the same as it always will be, 20%.
2008-03-04 16:56 < shimgray> 20% times whatever fraction of the day is left
2008-03-04 16:56 < zvook> marvell got owned
2008-03-04 16:56 < Lubaf> gwern: Unless other data comes up, yes.
2008-03-04 16:56 < jimius> well, the chance still remains 20% because the order or time of his visit is not set
2008-03-04 16:56 < NotASpy> if you add in extra data, such as how many people he will be checking, how many he has already checked, you can then adjust accordingly.
2008-03-04 16:56 < shimgray> since your question is really "what is the probability of the inspector coming between 2PM and 5PM"
2008-03-04 16:56 < jimius> 20% :)
2008-03-04 16:57 < jimius> afaik
2008-03-04 16:57 < gwern> I'd go with TheWeasel here. the axiom that there is a 20% case period of an arrival between 9 and 5 is different from each moment between 9 and 5 has the same chance of an arrival
2008-03-04 16:57 < jimius> or go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability
2008-03-04 16:57 < TheWeasel> he's done 5/8 of the 20%, which means the available 80% boil down to...
2008-03-04 16:57 < NotASpy> it's similar to the "you toss a coin 9 times and each time it's landed on heads, what's the chance of it landing on heads again on the next toss" question.
2008-03-04 16:58 < TheWeasel> I'm in the process of changing my mind :-P
2008-03-04 16:58 < TheWeasel> or at least checking the reverse
2008-03-04 16:58 < gwern> because with the former, it'd fit any probability distribution - maybe 4:59 has a 19.999999% chance of arrival, and all the other moments divvy up the remaining probability, in which case surviving to 2PM tells you next to nothing
2008-03-04 16:59 < zvook> From our article: '"If you have no ice cream I will take it away from you." (This is an ice cream koan.)'
2008-03-04 16:59 < zvook> pun jar
2008-03-04 16:59 < TheWeasel> Well, we'd have to assume that all his visits are roughly of equal length.
2008-03-04 16:59 < gwern> or 9-4:59:59 is an entire red-herring, there is 0% chance of his arrival, in which case surviving to 2 tells you nothing
2008-03-04 16:59 < TheWeasel> and we'd have to suppose a reasonable time
2008-03-04 16:59 < eth01> .
2008-03-04 16:59 < cremepuff222> zvook, you pinged me. :-)
2008-03-04 16:59 * eth01 dances
2008-03-04 17:00 < zvook> we all scream for ice cream
2008-03-04 17:00 < gwern> it's logicall consistent with the formulation to suppose that only the last seocnd has a 20% chance
2008-03-04 17:00 * Mike_H samples cremepuff222
2008-03-04 17:00 < cremepuff222> lol
2008-03-04 17:01 < TheWeasel> as long as we don't know the length of each visit
2008-03-04 17:01 < TheWeasel> (if it's always the same)
2008-03-04 17:01 < TheWeasel> it's impossible to say more
2008-03-04 17:01 < zvook> then please don't :)
2008-03-04 17:01 < gwern> Lubaf: any thoughts on my reply?
2008-03-04 17:01 < TheWeasel> Hah, thank you, Mr Wittgenstein.
2008-03-04 17:02 * Mike_H samples TheWeasel
2008-03-04 17:02 * zvook bows
2008-03-04 17:02 < gwern> the limits of TheWeasel's saying are the limits of my world!
2008-03-04 17:02 * brown_cat waves
2008-03-04 17:02 < brown_cat> thanks
2008-03-04 17:02 < brown_cat> ^_^
2008-03-04 17:02 < brown_cat> jimbo's shirt was in tv today :p
2008-03-04 17:02 < Lubaf> gwern: Given the problem as written, it's true.
2008-03-04 17:02 < gwern> lol. what's the ebay price up to now?
2008-03-04 17:03 < brown_cat> gwern: not sure :s
2008-03-04 17:03 < Lubaf> But in this case, it's not relevant, as 1 in 5 people in a certain class will be checked.
2008-03-04 17:03 < TheWeasel> I meant his bonmot "Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, davon muss man schweigen."
2008-03-04 17:03 * gwern kind of hopes I didn't just do someone's homework :)
2008-03-04 17:03 < Lubaf> And he's only here this one day.
2008-03-04 17:03 < Lubaf> Spot checking.
2008-03-04 17:03 < TheWeasel> "Of that which one can't talk, one have to keep silent about."
2008-03-04 17:03 < TheWeasel> hard to translate
2008-03-04 17:03 < zvook> Joshu knew that one.
2008-03-04 17:04 * Mike_H samples zvook
2008-03-04 17:04 < gwern> I always found that kind of amusing in its tautological nature
2008-03-04 17:04 * zvook samples a record that samples Mike_H
2008-03-04 17:04 < gwern> obviously if you don't speak,. you are silent, and if you can't speak of it, you must be silent
2008-03-04 17:06 < TheWeasel> Well, there certainly are too many inadequacies in language
2008-03-04 17:07 < gwern> there are too many inadequacies in everything. I don't let it trouble me
2008-03-04 17:07 < TheWeasel> Wittgenstein did
2008-03-04 17:07 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-03-04 17:07 < TheWeasel> But he could afford, being a philosopher and all
2008-03-04 17:08 < Sir48> speak now - or forever hold...
2008-03-04 17:09 < TheWeasel> "This book treats of the philosophical conundrums and shows - as I believe - that the very question at the core of these problems is founded on a misunderstanding about the logic of our language. One could perhaps summarise the whole sense of the book as follows: That which can be said at all, can be said clearly, and of whatever one cannot speak, one has to keep silent about."
2008-03-04 17:09 < Golbez> anyone here familiar with Project Spoken Wikipedia?
2008-03-04 17:10 < gwern> personally, I'm still a little confused about wittgenstein - I figured his skepticism about language was already done by hume, the logicians etc.
2008-03-04 17:11 < Golbez> because I have a question: What about lists?
2008-03-04 17:11 < Golbez> Sure, they'd be boring as hell
2008-03-04 17:11 < Golbez> but don't those deserve some spoken recognition too? =p
2008-03-04 17:11 < TheWeasel> "Hence, this book wants to draw a boundary to thought, or rather not to thought, but to the expression of thought. For to be able to draw a boundary to thought, we would have to be able to conceive of both sides of the border (we would have to think that which cannot be thought).
2008-03-04 17:11 < TheWeasel> He wrote marvellous German.
2008-03-04 17:12 < TheWeasel> Stylistically one of the very few readable Germans.
2008-03-04 17:12 < gwern> ;even in translation, the complexity comes through
2008-03-04 17:12 < TheWeasel> Translating it from de.wiki
2008-03-04 17:12 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-04 17:13 < TheWeasel> Hegel, Kant and, even worse, Heidegger and Adorno are simply awful in comparison
2008-03-04 17:13 * gwern will never read those in the original, so I'll take your word for it
2008-03-04 17:14 < TheWeasel> Maybe his command of English gave him the clarity.
2008-03-04 17:14 < TheWeasel> English-language philosophy has a good tradition of lucid writing
2008-03-04 17:16 * TheWeasel loves Schopenhauer
2008-03-04 17:16 < TheWeasel> He was an asshole, but boy did he write good German.
2008-03-04 17:19 * gwern reads [[C++0x]]. may god have mercy on my soul if I ever need to use C++
2008-03-04 17:20 * brown_cat killed john lennon
2008-03-04 17:21 < TheWeasel> Schopenhauer to his editor: "...from which it well follows that you cannot treat me like your Encyclopedia=Authors and fimilar fcribblers, with who I have nothing in common except the coincidental ufe of ink and feather."
2008-03-04 17:21 < TheWeasel> he had dared to suggest another color for the book jacket or something.
2008-03-04 17:23 < TheWeasel> WELL, PUNK, YA GOT SOMETHING AGINST [sic] ENCYCLOPEDIAS?
2008-03-04 17:23 < Ral315_> Yes. Yes I do.
2008-03-04 17:25 * gwern points at my encyclopedia. This here is the Wikipedia, the most powerful encyclopedia in the world. It's got 2.2 million articles, each volume of which could kill a horse. but maybe I miscounted. maybe there were only 2.1 million articles. the question is, are you feeling lucky? huh? are you, punk?
2008-03-04 17:25 * brown_cat milks TheWeasel
2008-03-04 17:25 * TheWeasel points out that he is not a cow (and, weirdly, at the same time, not NotACow)
2008-03-04 17:26 * brown_cat falls asleep
2008-03-04 17:33 < Golbez> if you are not NotACow, doesn't that make you a cow
2008-03-04 17:36 < TheWeasel> that's why I added "weirdly"
2008-03-04 17:44 < Demi> TheWeasel - you can milk weasels, though
2008-03-04 17:44 < TheWeasel> Only female ones.
2008-03-04 17:45 < Demi> true
2008-03-04 17:45 < Scarian> You can still try and milk male ones though...
2008-03-04 17:45 < Scarian> ...still kinda fun...
2008-03-04 17:45 < Demi> and venomous ones
2008-03-04 17:45 < AnthereAway> NotACow ?
2008-03-04 17:45 < TheWeasel> "and he screams back "you're a cow/give me some milk or else go home!""
2008-03-04 17:46 < TheWeasel> Dylan was accused of making Mr Jones a closet gay in that song
2008-03-04 17:46 < Mike_H> AnthereAway: She isn't here
2008-03-04 17:47 < TheWeasel> (by some that he produced gay porn, by others that he stigmatizes gay people as mentally unstable)
2008-03-04 17:47 < AnthereAway> she is in the list....
2008-03-04 17:47 < Mike_H> That doesn't mean she's at her computer, honey.
2008-03-04 17:47 < Mike_H> :)
2008-03-04 17:47 < AnthereAway> sure :-)
2008-03-04 17:47 < Mike_H> AnthereAway: She's been gone for a few hours now
2008-03-04 17:48 < AnthereAway> yes...
2008-03-04 17:48 < AnthereAway> how's the conf going ?
2008-03-04 17:48 < Mike_H> AnthereAway: it's not :(
2008-03-04 17:48 < Mike_H> I have too many things to do in my real life, and the only way I can plan the conference is if I can get paid a fee to organize it and drop my current job.
2008-03-04 17:49 < Mike_H> There just aren't enough hours in the day and I have to pay my bills somehow :(
2008-03-04 17:49 < TheWeasel> "The result of the (soccer) rivalry is crucial for the well-being of many people at their workplaces ..."
2008-03-04 17:49 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-04 17:49 < AnthereAway> I know this feeling....
2008-03-04 17:50 < Mike_H> AnthereAway: I asked a rather small fee from Wikia to just plan the whole thing
2008-03-04 17:50 < Mike_H> like $1,000 a month, for eight months
2008-03-04 17:50 < Mike_H> so that'd pay my rent and my bills and buy me some food, nothing lavish
2008-03-04 17:50 < Mike_H> and they said they couldn't do it.
2008-03-04 17:50 < Mike_H> So, I guess the conference won't be going ahead.
2008-03-04 17:51 < TheWeasel> what kind of Wikia conferece is that?
2008-03-04 17:51 < TheWeasel> *n
2008-03-04 17:51 < AnthereAway> why did you ask Wikia ?
2008-03-04 17:51 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: Well, originally it was going to be an American Wikimedia conference, and then I also thought we could do citizen journalism
2008-03-04 17:51 < Mike_H> AnthereAway: Wikia came to us first
2008-03-04 17:51 < AnthereAway> I 'm not sure why they really would be interested
2008-03-04 17:51 < Mike_H> Angela emailed me and asked if they could help
2008-03-04 17:51 < TheWeasel> oh, alright.
2008-03-04 17:51 < AnthereAway> make sense
2008-03-04 17:52 < Mike_H> I don't know, I didn't think $8,000 over eight months was a lot to ask
2008-03-04 17:52 < Mike_H> but I don't know their business record and how much money they have
2008-03-04 17:53 * Mike_H cuddles privatemusings
2008-03-04 17:53 < privatemusings> hi mike!
2008-03-04 18:03 < hacked``> guys
2008-03-04 18:03 < hacked``> is there any template already made, to create a schedule table
2008-03-04 18:03 < hacked``> like, i want to plot which batch jobs start at which time, every day, etc.
2008-03-04 18:04 < ijustam> why not just use a table?
2008-03-04 18:08 < hacked``> cause its ugly
2008-03-04 18:08 < ijustam> oh.
2008-03-04 18:13 < gwern> wow, penny arcade already has a comic up as an obit for Gary Gygax: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic
2008-03-04 18:13 < gwern> that was fast
2008-03-04 18:15 < Lycurgus> I guess everybody knows JWs mug shot is on the ABC News site.
2008-03-04 18:16 < Lycurgus> "Wikipedia Founder Hit With Relationship Trouble, Allegations of Excessive Spending"
2008-03-04 18:16 < TheWeasel> JW?
2008-03-04 18:16 < TheWeasel> Oh.
2008-03-04 18:16 < privatemusings> he's in the washington post too.....
2008-03-04 18:16 * gwern sees no picture, just 'Affair Allegations Haunt Wikipedia Chief'
2008-03-04 18:17 < TheWeasel> Chief?
2008-03-04 18:17 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-04 18:17 < TheWeasel> I have spoken.
2008-03-04 18:17 < Lycurgus> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=4386200
2008-03-04 18:17 < privatemusings> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/04/AR2008030401869.html
2008-03-04 18:17 < privatemusings> i think we officially get to add 'gate' to a word now....
2008-03-04 18:17 < gwern> at least people seem to've stopped using god-king
2008-03-04 18:18 < privatemusings> God-KingGate
2008-03-04 18:18 < privatemusings> that could be it... ;-)
2008-03-04 18:18 * miranda smh
2008-03-04 18:18 < Demi> why is the punctuation messed up there
2008-03-04 18:18 < miranda> at least we got a pic...
2008-03-04 18:18 < gwern> 'Evidence of the affair included lurid IM transcripts, which appeared on Silicon Valley gossip blog Valleywag. On Saturday, Wales posted a statement on the Wikipedia Foundations website (which he later moved to his personal site) denying that his actions went against Wikimedia Foundation's policies, and stating that the affair had ended. Marsden responded by listing the clothes that he left at her house up for auction on eBay. ' ...
2008-03-04 18:18 < gwern> ... <--the whole sequence is hilarious
2008-03-04 18:18 < privatemusings> was on the frontpage of smh.com.au all day yesterday...
2008-03-04 18:19 < privatemusings> http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/ex-takes-her-revenge-on-mr-wiki/2008/03/04/1204402405901.html
2008-03-04 18:19 < privatemusings> gotta love that kimono!
2008-03-04 18:19 < gwern> '"There were occasions where he used [the Wikimedia Foundation] for personal advancement under the guide of the mission. And, as someone who was in there for the mission part of it, I found that rather distressful," Wool told EPICENTER. '
2008-03-04 18:19 < TheWeasel> That is very American.
2008-03-04 18:19 < The359> wtf
2008-03-04 18:19 < gwern> privatemusings: I don't think that's a kimono
2008-03-04 18:19 < The359> "I'm selling clothes!"
2008-03-04 18:19 < The359> Clearly proof that they are somehow his
2008-03-04 18:19 < Demi> to be honest, if these things are the smoking guns, it's all pretty lame
2008-03-04 18:19 < The359> Unless his mom wrote his name on the tags
2008-03-04 18:19 < gwern> privatemusings: actually, I'd venture to say that item of clothing is not from even the same continent as your suggestion
2008-03-04 18:20 < privatemusings> yeah - i think you're right
2008-03-04 18:20 < privatemusings> dammit
2008-03-04 18:20 < TheWeasel> It's the style of right-wing commentators, I guess.
2008-03-04 18:20 < TheWeasel> He shoulda seen it coming
2008-03-04 18:20 < privatemusings> it was just easier to type than 'funky red thingy'
2008-03-04 18:20 < Demi> this marsden is really a piece of work
2008-03-04 18:20 < privatemusings> i think it's indian, actually...
2008-03-04 18:20 < privatemusings> maybe
2008-03-04 18:21 < TheWeasel> that kind of behavior is truly petty.
2008-03-04 18:21 < gwern> I'm surprised we haven't seen more vulgar comments, eg. 'Marsden looks like she has a big mouth; I bet she gives great head'
2008-03-04 18:21 < TheWeasel> unbelievably graceless.
2008-03-04 18:21 < TheWeasel> cui bono...
2008-03-04 18:21 * privatemusings thinks gwern is just trying to sneak smutty comments in the back door
2008-03-04 18:21 < privatemusings> ;-)
2008-03-04 18:22 < The359> I think privatemusings just wanted to say backdoor
2008-03-04 18:22 < gwern> privatemusings: I am offended and amused you would impute such motives to me
2008-03-04 18:22 * privatemusings has never imputed before!
2008-03-04 18:22 < TheWeasel> Muhaha, "back door"
2008-03-04 18:22 * gwern goes and plays with a stick in the backyard
2008-03-04 18:22 < gwern> privatemusings: you have blotted and besmirched my esctucheon!
2008-03-04 18:22 < TheWeasel> Your an imputation virgin?
2008-03-04 18:22 < privatemusings> not any more....
2008-03-04 18:22 < privatemusings> it was.. nice...
2008-03-04 18:22 < privatemusings> but gwern could have cuddled me after for longer....
2008-03-04 18:23 < miranda> shit
2008-03-04 18:23 < miranda> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/comments?type=story&id=4386200
2008-03-04 18:23 * gwern believes in brevity
2008-03-04 18:23 * TheWeasel somehow doesnt think that link tells him anything new
2008-03-04 18:23 < TheWeasel> AH
2008-03-04 18:23 < TheWeasel> the word "controversial" again.
2008-03-04 18:23 * privatemusings has heard that about gwern... but wonders what miranda was referring to in the comments?
2008-03-04 18:24 < miranda> privatemusings: the link
2008-03-04 18:24 < gwern> 'What did any of you think the purpose of Wikipedia was? An on-line community-maintained information source dedicated to the betterment of mankind? If so, I have a bridge in New York I can let go of cheap. If it's on the Internet, doubt and cynicism should always be our first thoughta.'
2008-03-04 18:24 < miranda> abcnews...
2008-03-04 18:24 < privatemusings> it's been pretty much everywhere now..
2008-03-04 18:24 < privatemusings> times in london
2008-03-04 18:24 < privatemusings> post in DC
2008-03-04 18:24 < TheWeasel> :-/
2008-03-04 18:24 < privatemusings> our esteemed morning herald.....
2008-03-04 18:24 < TheWeasel> Getting old...
2008-03-04 18:24 < TheWeasel> Next.
2008-03-04 18:24 < privatemusings> I think there's more to come....
2008-03-04 18:25 < NotASpy> he'll have to resign now.
2008-03-04 18:25 < miranda> yep next
2008-03-04 18:25 < privatemusings> from the board?
2008-03-04 18:25 < privatemusings> hmmm.. I don't think jimbo's gonna do that just yet....
2008-03-04 18:25 < Ral315_> I don't think so either.
2008-03-04 18:26 < privatemusings> I'm still deciding whether I think he should or not...
2008-03-04 18:26 < Ral315_> He's the public face of Wikipedia; he's got to try to downplay this.
2008-03-04 18:26 < privatemusings> or admit that it can't be downlplayed and step aside for the common good
2008-03-04 18:26 < NotASpy> after the Doran saga, it's going to be difficult to play this down.
2008-03-04 18:26 < gwern> not unless more comes out, and given Sue's statement, I doubt any official documentation is going to be released
2008-03-04 18:26 < privatemusings> (if that's the case)
2008-03-04 18:26 * TheWeasel is impossibly bored by the private life of strangers
2008-03-04 18:26 < miranda> hopefully this won't be on ABC news tonight...
2008-03-04 18:26 < Lycurgus> In a manner of speaking, the Typhoon has hit the fan.
2008-03-04 18:26 < Ral315_> But until Florence or someone else is a visible replacement for him, Jimbo's resignation would be a huge blow publicly.
2008-03-04 18:26 < NotASpy> it might get buried under the election stuff.
2008-03-04 18:26 < privatemusings> gwern : florence has, I think, left the door open for further criticism
2008-03-04 18:26 < privatemusings> based on her 'stop trying to reinvent the past' comment
2008-03-04 18:27 < NotASpy> internal-l leaking like a bloody sieve again.
2008-03-04 18:27 < TheWeasel> Eh...
2008-03-04 18:27 < Demi> TheWeasel - i'm *fascinated* by the private life of strangers but i still find this boring
2008-03-04 18:27 < gwern> and he probably needs to stay the public face of WMF for personal financial reasons, if NotACow's comments are at all accurate
2008-03-04 18:27 < miranda> the bigger issue is...the money mismanagement, but that's my own opinion
2008-03-04 18:27 < TheWeasel> this feels like a Central Committee meeting.
2008-03-04 18:27 < gwern> privatemusings: that's not going to be enough
2008-03-04 18:27 < privatemusings> not in and of itself - but I see it giving journalists the enthusiasm to keep digging....
2008-03-04 18:27 < privatemusings> and i think there may be more skeletons in the closet...
2008-03-04 18:27 < privatemusings> (just a feeling - I'm probably crazy!)
2008-03-04 18:28 < Lycurgus> you mean like "back in the USSR"?
2008-03-04 18:28 < TheWeasel> you find stuff *everywhere*
2008-03-04 18:28 * privatemusings realises TheWeasel is in the room without an invite....
2008-03-04 18:28 * privatemusings grabs his atlas to lookup 'Siberia'
2008-03-04 18:28 < TheWeasel> privatemusings: The cabal has been a bit slack lately.
2008-03-04 18:29 < NotASpy> people are trying to pick the cabal off one by one, I think.
2008-03-04 18:29 < gwern> in america, you charge stuff to the committee; in soviet russia, committe charges *you* with stuff!
2008-03-04 18:29 < TheWeasel> that woman is just lacking any sort of grace.
2008-03-04 18:29 < privatemusings> Ral315 - I presume you're thinking of a story on this stuff too?
2008-03-04 18:29 < TheWeasel> but she knows very well what the media loves.
2008-03-04 18:29 < gwern> the POST has to cover this, obviosuly
2008-03-04 18:29 < privatemusings> oops - in fact I know you are, because I've seen the talk page....
2008-03-04 18:30 < NotASpy> the danger is that she's a journalist and other journalists, out of a mix of revenge and professional courtesy will cover the story.
2008-03-04 18:30 < Demi> TheWeasel - well, she's a media animal, this is basically what she does
2008-03-04 18:30 < TheWeasel> Right.
2008-03-04 18:30 < TheWeasel> Shoulda seen it coming a mile away.
2008-03-04 18:30 * Demi shrugs
2008-03-04 18:31 < TheWeasel> but it's so undignified.
2008-03-04 18:31 < privatemusings> i agree with miranda - no big deal to the rachel story
2008-03-04 18:31 < Demi> it makes me feel generally sad
2008-03-04 18:31 < gwern> NotASpy: is she still a journalist? I thought she lost her show...
2008-03-04 18:31 < privatemusings> the money is more important
2008-03-04 18:31 < privatemusings> I'm also concerned that jimbo may have lied in his personal statement
2008-03-04 18:31 < privatemusings> where he said clearly he only met with RM once in DC
2008-03-04 18:31 < privatemusings> so i'm confused as to how his clothes got to her apartment in NYC
2008-03-04 18:31 < NotASpy> gwern: not sure, but she's the sort of person who's got connections and enemies, both groups which are likely to cover the story in great detail.
2008-03-04 18:31 < privatemusings> (i don't care about the clothes - I do care about lying)
2008-03-04 18:32 < TheWeasel> Yea, even a trace of embezzlement of donations would be a bad thing (tm) indeed.
2008-03-04 18:32 < TheWeasel> Oddly enough, NFPs always have to be much more ethical than corporations
2008-03-04 18:32 < TheWeasel> Heh, the Register will have a field day.
2008-03-04 18:32 < NotASpy> embezzlement I doubt has happened, but there's certainly an element of funds being diverted from stuff people thought they were paying for to cover Jimbo's Jolly Jaunts.
2008-03-04 18:32 < privatemusings> oh they're small fry....
2008-03-04 18:33 < privatemusings> it's the follow up feature article which should be more concerning.....
2008-03-04 18:33 < Lycurgus> [[Orpheus Chamber Orchestra]]
2008-03-04 18:33 < TheWeasel> I haven't donated in the last fund drive because I didn't like the idea of too much travelling and conventioning.
2008-03-04 18:33 < NotASpy> that I think is quite a widespread view.
2008-03-04 18:33 < TheWeasel> I wanted to contribute to an encyclopedia.
2008-03-04 18:33 < Demi> that's okay, the world is rife with good causes
2008-03-04 18:34 < NotASpy> that, and call me strange, but this drama in the press, combined with the US recession fears and global economic slowdown could really damage the next fundraiser.
2008-03-04 18:34 < gwern> NotASpy: UNPOSSIBLE
2008-03-04 18:34 < privatemusings> i think that's a foregone conclusion, to be honest
2008-03-04 18:34 < Messedrocker> Wikimedia needs to establish a mechanism for accepting donations of air miles
2008-03-04 18:35 < NotASpy> there's no one event that will sink the foundation, but a combination of factors could well come together this winter and cause a big problem for the budget.
2008-03-04 18:35 < privatemusings> is that allowed messedrocker?
2008-03-04 18:35 < privatemusings> great idea if so....
2008-03-04 18:35 < TheWeasel> Maybe we could fight the lie of global warming and get some money for that.
2008-03-04 18:35 < TheWeasel> :-P
2008-03-04 18:35 < gwern> 'In fact, the greatest irony of all is that Toshiba’s price went up 5 percent after the announcement last week. That’s not so surprising, in light of the above: investors must be relieved that Toshiba will finally stop throwing money away in order to get people on its standard.'
2008-03-04 18:35 < zvook> while flying around leaving our carbon footprint everywhere
2008-03-04 18:35 * TheWeasel has a Toshipa laptop
2008-03-04 18:36 < TheWeasel> *b
2008-03-04 18:36 < TheWeasel> zvook: It won't matter in the NEW ICE AGE THAT IS ON THE HORIZON
2008-03-04 18:36 < miranda> hi Husond
2008-03-04 18:36 < NotASpy> I had one of them, the b worked loose and rotated round.
2008-03-04 18:36 < Demi> hehe
2008-03-04 18:36 < Husond> hi Miranda
2008-03-04 18:36 < Lucifer_Cat> BECAUSE OF ALL THE ICE
2008-03-04 18:36 < TheWeasel> ICE ICE BABY
2008-03-04 18:37 * LordMetroid goes and kill himself in lack of knowing anything better that would make LordMetroid life more happy
2008-03-04 18:37 < Cyrius> under pressure
2008-03-04 18:37 < NotASpy> evil song.
2008-03-04 18:37 < Messedrocker> LordMetroid, can I borrow that bag of ice cubes after you?
2008-03-04 18:37 < Lucifer_Cat> LordMetroid: a trip to the strip club?
2008-03-04 18:37 < TheWeasel> ay, tis.
2008-03-04 18:37 < NotASpy> the cover, not the original, I should say.
2008-03-04 18:37 * The359 stomps his carbon footprints all over
2008-03-04 18:37 < Lucifer_Cat> pushing down on you
2008-03-04 18:37 < The359> ECOHULK SMASH
2008-03-04 18:37 < Lucifer_Cat> pushing down on me
2008-03-04 18:37 < TheWeasel> a strip to club the tip of the trip
2008-03-04 18:37 < Demi> i find trips to strip clubs saddening
2008-03-04 18:38 < TheWeasel> MY CARBON FOOTPRINT IS A METEORITE CRATER AND I AM NOT SORRY
2008-03-04 18:38 < NotASpy> isn't a Carbon footprint what the chim chim in knee sweep leaves when he exits ones house ?
2008-03-04 18:38 < The359> It's always more fun when the striper is crying, Demi
2008-03-04 18:38 < gwern> hmmm. candy striper clubs...
2008-03-04 18:38 < Demi> yes, but too rare, too rare
2008-03-04 18:38 < Arwen> stripers? what?
2008-03-04 18:38 * Arwen thinks someone misspelled "stripper"
2008-03-04 18:39 < TheWeasel> Starrers and Stripers
2008-03-04 18:39 < NotASpy> not paint stripper, I assume ?
2008-03-04 18:39 < The359> whatever
2008-03-04 18:39 < The359> it was a typo
2008-03-04 18:39 < TheWeasel> a strypo
2008-03-04 18:39 < Demi> a striped bass
2008-03-04 18:39 < Demi> come on, shaka' that bass
2008-03-04 18:39 * TheWeasel prefers stringed basses
2008-03-04 18:39 < Demi> get that bass movin' baby
2008-03-04 18:39 < TheWeasel> SHAKE YOUR BASS
2008-03-04 18:41 < Jonjonbt> :o
2008-03-04 18:41 < Lucifer_Cat> Touch eyeballs to screen for cheap laser surgery
2008-03-04 18:41 * gwern plays hamlet - the text adventure http://versificator.co.uk/hamlet/
2008-03-04 18:41 < gwern> unfortunately, 'kill myself' doesn't work - you survive punching yourself in the face
2008-03-04 18:42 < Lucifer_Cat> gwern: got that thing was a headache
2008-03-04 18:42 < TheWeasel> It is raining. You are likely to be murdered by your uncle.
2008-03-04 18:42 < gwern> (make sure to try 'to be, or not to be?')
2008-03-04 18:42 < Lucifer_Cat> *God
2008-03-04 18:42 < Lucifer_Cat> Not Y3K compliant
2008-03-04 18:42 < miranda> yeah it's hitting fox news too
2008-03-04 18:43 < Lucifer_Cat> what is?
2008-03-04 18:44 < miranda> jimbogate
2008-03-04 18:44 < TheWeasel> how conservative journalists are an oppressed minority, held down by communistic schemers?
2008-03-04 18:44 < gwern> '"Hamlet," says the old man after a sigh, "you remember how I was found mysteriously dead in the orchard a couple of weeks back? Well... it's like this. Your uncle Claudius poisoned me so he could become king and marry your mother. I'd be awfully grateful if you could kill him for me."' \ "All right," you say, "I'll do it!" \ Your life suddenly seems to have purpose.'
2008-03-04 18:44 < NotASpy> Fox News, Sky TV and The London Times are predictable, all being owned by News Corporation, who also owns MySpace and wants to buy Yahoo, any interest they can drum up in the web is good for their businesses.
2008-03-04 18:45 < TheWeasel> Oh that this too too solid flesh would melt...
2008-03-04 18:45 < gwern> > kill ghost; Your attack passes harmlessly through the ghost.
2008-03-04 18:45 < TheWeasel> "and our vain blows malicious mockery..."
2008-03-04 18:46 < gwern> darn. I tried to jump over the balcony and the ghost stopped me
2008-03-04 18:47 < TheWeasel> "It beckons you."
2008-03-04 18:48 < Lucifer_Cat> The show that watches back.
2008-03-04 18:49 < gwern> > kill claudius
2008-03-04 18:49 < gwern> Just as you are pulling your punch, Gertrude storms into the room.
2008-03-04 18:49 < gwern> "Hamlet!" she snaps. "How many times have I told you NOT to murder your relatives! I know it's difficult for a Shakespearian lead, but..."
2008-03-04 18:49 < gwern> You grudgingly apologise to both of them. Gertrude leaves, mollified.
2008-03-04 18:49 < gwern> > talk to claudius
2008-03-04 18:49 < gwern> "I'm glad I killed your dad!"
2008-03-04 18:50 < TheWeasel> Irradiation!
2008-03-04 18:50 < TheWeasel> Polonium poisoning
2008-03-04 18:52 < NotASpy> is that like being run down by a Volkswagen Polo ?
2008-03-04 18:52 < Khutuck> hello, what is the channel of foundation?
2008-03-04 18:52 < gwern> > talk to Othello
2008-03-04 18:52 < gwern> "I bet my wife's out cheating on me!"
2008-03-04 18:52 * TheWeasel is engolfed
2008-03-04 18:52 < Khutuck> hello, what is the channel of foundation?
2008-03-04 18:52 < NotASpy> Khutuck: there's no official channel. What help are you looking for ?
2008-03-04 18:52 < Demi> > is that a dagger i see before me?
2008-03-04 18:52 < Demi> i see no dagger
2008-03-04 18:53 < Khutuck> i'm looking for someone from foundation to ask questions about wikimania 2010
2008-03-04 18:53 < Yert> Which states close polls at 7?
2008-03-04 18:54 < TheWeasel> I don't think we're ready to plan much for 2010 yet.
2008-03-04 18:54 < Khutuck> but i think i am :)
2008-03-04 18:54 < TheWeasel> heh, bless you
2008-03-04 18:54 < Khutuck> i'm from tr.wiki, and we were quite late for 2009 bidding
2008-03-04 18:54 < miranda> Khutuck: what city?
2008-03-04 18:54 < Khutuck> istanbul
2008-03-04 18:54 < miranda> #wikimedia is dead, but you might want to try asking there
2008-03-04 18:55 < Khutuck> also after alexandria, istanbul would be too close
2008-03-04 18:55 < TheWeasel> I don't think Istanbul stands a chance.
2008-03-04 18:55 < TheWeasel> Yea.
2008-03-04 18:55 < NotASpy> Khutuck: I don't think planning has really started for 2010 Wikimania yet. You would be best to speak with Cary Bass when he's online though, he'll point you in the right direction. He can usually be found somewhere around #wikimedia or #wikimedia-stewards
2008-03-04 18:55 < TheWeasel> but good luck
2008-03-04 18:55 < TheWeasel> :-)
2008-03-04 18:55 < Khutuck> thanx very much
2008-03-04 18:55 < NotASpy> I'd agree, Istanbul, so soon after Alexandria this year isn't likely, but stranger things have happened.
2008-03-04 18:55 < Cyrius> gwern: 'Just as you are pulling your punch, Gertrude storms into the room. "Hamlet!" she snaps. "How many times have I told you NOT to murder your relatives! I know it's difficult for a Shakespearian lead, but..."'
2008-03-04 18:56 < Khutuck> NotASpy, 2010 may be a possiblity, as here we have quite strong supporters
2008-03-04 18:56 < DerHexer> NotASpy, cary's offline.
2008-03-04 18:56 < Khutuck> i'm a journalist, and it is good to know a lot of people :))
2008-03-04 18:56 < TheWeasel> you'll just have to put an extra effort into it :-)
2008-03-04 18:57 < gwern> Cyrius: I already pasted that
2008-03-04 18:57 < Ryan_wp> Good evening.
2008-03-04 18:57 < NotASpy> Khutuck: I've a general feeling 2009 will go to either Canada or Australia, and 2010 to the one of those which didn't win for 2009. I'd say 2011 is a possibility though. Just my own thoughts though.
2008-03-04 18:57 < gwern> and I just managed to commit suicide by jumping out ophelia's window
2008-03-04 18:57 < Cyrius> gwern: meh.
2008-03-04 18:57 < TheWeasel> I wish there was something that automatically refreshes pages for me
2008-03-04 18:57 < NotASpy> FF can do that, can't it ?
2008-03-04 18:58 < Khutuck> jimbo wales was ehre in 18 jan, i had an interview with him, and he was impressed from istanbul
2008-03-04 18:58 < TheWeasel> can it?
2008-03-04 18:58 < Khutuck> it would be great to impress everyone from wiki here :)
2008-03-04 18:58 < TheWeasel> Think it can't.
2008-03-04 18:58 < gwern> TheWeasel: there are extensions for that
2008-03-04 18:59 < TheWeasel> Just looking out for one
2008-03-04 18:59 < gwern> I used to use one, until Jebus cured my OCD
2008-03-04 18:59 < NotACow> so, did gary gygax really fail a constitution check?
2008-03-04 18:59 * Ryan_wp yawns.
2008-03-04 18:59 < NotASpy> Khutuck: did he give you a T-Shirt or any other item of clothing by any chance ?
2008-03-04 19:00 < Khutuck> NotASpy not a chance
2008-03-04 19:00 < NotACow> AnthereAway: you rang?
2008-03-04 19:00 < Yert> omg obama wins vertmont
2008-03-04 19:00 < NotASpy> ah, there goes $12,000. Ah well.
2008-03-04 19:00 < NotACow> Yert: that was expected.
2008-03-04 19:00 < Khutuck> NotASpy but if u pass from turkey any time, i'll be gladly give u one
2008-03-04 19:00 < TheWeasel> hah, found
2008-03-04 19:01 < Khutuck> i have many extras in my closet
2008-03-04 19:01 < NotASpy> Khutuck: nah, it needs to be a Jimbo one, they're the only ones going for $12,000 on eBay at the moment.
2008-03-04 19:01 < Khutuck> wuh (o_O)
2008-03-04 19:02 < NotASpy> if I buy some cheap T-Shirts from Primark, send them to Jimbo and get him to wear them and sign them, do you think I could make money ?
2008-03-04 19:02 < Khutuck> NotASpy i dont think that's possible
2008-03-04 19:02 < Khutuck> if i had thoyugh it was possible, i would do it
2008-03-04 19:03 < Yert> "CNN projects clinton wins ohio"
2008-03-04 19:03 < TheWeasel> Wow
2008-03-04 19:03 < Lucifer_Cat> yert: texas?
2008-03-04 19:03 < Yert> Lucifer_Cat: Both :O
2008-03-04 19:04 < TheWeasel> Wow...
2008-03-04 19:04 < Lucifer_Cat> what
2008-03-04 19:04 < Lucifer_Cat> tie?
2008-03-04 19:04 < TheWeasel> In U.S. presidential race, CNN projects Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama will win party primaries in Vermont state.
2008-03-04 19:04 < Cyrius> texas voting doesn't end for another hour
2008-03-04 19:04 < Yert> :O
2008-03-04 19:04 < TheWeasel> thats all I get here
2008-03-04 19:04 < Cyrius> and then there's the caucuses
2008-03-04 19:05 < Cyrius> that'll take a while longer
2008-03-04 19:05 < TheWeasel> VT for 'Bamy.
2008-03-04 19:05 < TheWeasel> YouBama
2008-03-04 19:05 < LordMetroid> I am my life's bitch!!!
2008-03-04 19:05 * TheWeasel still has the CfG ad in mind about Howard Dean and Vermont
2008-03-04 19:06 < zvook> cfg?
2008-03-04 19:06 < Ryan_wp> Why do people pay so much just for clothing somebody famous wore? Yeah, they're famous, but *$12,000*!? It's much cheaper to go to Wal~Mart or something...
2008-03-04 19:06 < TheWeasel> club for growth
2008-03-04 19:07 < TheWeasel> What, Jimbo leaves his shirts at Wal-Mart?
2008-03-04 19:07 < Ryan_wp> That's not what I meant...
2008-03-04 19:07 < zvook> they've gotta be fake bids
2008-03-04 19:08 < zvook> people die for flags you can also get at walmart
2008-03-04 19:08 < NotASpy> yeah, it's down to $2000 again.
2008-03-04 19:08 < Khutuck> i dont believe anyone will pay 12k o such a shirt
2008-03-04 19:08 < TheWeasel> Probably with donation money :-P
2008-03-04 19:08 * TheWeasel would never die for a flag
2008-03-04 19:08 < TheWeasel> a cause, maybe
2008-03-04 19:08 < NotASpy> they've pulled some dodgy bids.
2008-03-04 19:09 < Khutuck> well, anyway, thanks everyone, good night (or good day)
2008-03-04 19:09 < Khutuck> see u
2008-03-04 19:09 < TheWeasel> cheers, good luck
2008-03-04 19:09 < TheWeasel> when does RI close?
2008-03-04 19:10 < TheWeasel> and don't say "all traffic between Boston and New York is halted at 10 p.m. sharp."
2008-03-04 19:10 < TheWeasel> I mean the primaries
2008-03-04 19:10 < Lucifer_Cat> all traffic between Boston and New York is halted at 10 p.m. sharp.
2008-03-04 19:10 < zvook> god i hate the assignment of musical genres
2008-03-04 19:10 < TheWeasel> Oh, is it?
2008-03-04 19:11 < zvook> this one article has a song variously as pop-dance, eurodance and disco love song.
2008-03-04 19:11 < TheWeasel> zvook: Call something the wrong kind of metal, and you find yourself ritually slaughtered
2008-03-04 19:11 < zvook> haha yeah that's a whole other thing
2008-03-04 19:11 < TheWeasel> those are some touchy fans
2008-03-04 19:11 < zvook> they split things very finely :D
2008-03-04 19:12 < TheWeasel> and woe is you if you miss.
2008-03-04 19:12 < zvook> you gotta know your black metal from your celtic fucking frost
2008-03-04 19:12 < TheWeasel> Eurotrash is a neat label
2008-03-04 19:12 < TheWeasel> but then there are more respectable derivatives
2008-03-04 19:13 < TheWeasel> when I was thirteen or so, my favorite band of all the ones that charted here was Everything But The Girl
2008-03-04 19:13 < zvook> apart from a sleazy tv show and an irvine welsh short story, i don't really know what eurotrash is
2008-03-04 19:14 < TheWeasel> well, mid-90s techno pop I guess
2008-03-04 19:14 < TheWeasel> think Aqua
2008-03-04 19:14 < zvook> i see
2008-03-04 19:14 < Mike2> best FA ever
2008-03-04 19:14 < zvook> hehe
2008-03-04 19:15 < TheWeasel> there were all kinds of musical abominations, mostly from Germany or the Netherlands or Scandinavia
2008-03-04 19:15 < zvook> yeah
2008-03-04 19:15 < zvook> need to fill the long days
2008-03-04 19:16 < TheWeasel> and then suddenly, 70s domestic pop was en vogue
2008-03-04 19:16 < TheWeasel> around 2000
2008-03-04 19:17 < zvook> Mike_H Aqua isn't an FA!
2008-03-04 19:17 < zvook> i had hopes.
2008-03-04 19:17 < TheWeasel> they were a case of "what did we ever do to the Danes?"
2008-03-04 19:18 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR CATZ
2008-03-04 19:18 < zvook> the article says dance-pop. i have never heard these terms before
2008-03-04 19:18 * Ceiling_Cat pets TheWeasel_cat
2008-03-04 19:18 < zvook> pop-dance, dance-pop
2008-03-04 19:19 < zvook> hiya CC
2008-03-04 19:19 < NotAPolecat> :-P
2008-03-04 19:19 < NotAPolecat> it was her itsy-bitsy teenie-weenie yellow Polecat odd bikini
2008-03-04 19:20 < Ceiling_Cat> MOAR CATZ! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctU69NYuEMk&feature=related