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2008-03-03 21:56 * NCC-1701-E resumes scanning for Messedrocker
2008-03-03 21:56 < Daniel_Bush> And they say something like "this...love...it is pleasant thing you Earthlings have"
2008-03-03 21:56 * Messedrocker looks at his proverbial watch
2008-03-03 21:56 * Crimedog remembers the scene of Kirk putting his boots back on in "Wink of an Eye"
2008-03-03 21:58 * TheWeasel doesn't know the name of *any* TV episode
2008-03-03 21:58 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: i wrote an article today :DD
2008-03-03 21:58 < quanticle> Mike_H: Which article
2008-03-03 21:58 < TheWeasel> Congratulations.
2008-03-03 21:58 < Mike_H> quanticle: [[omg!]]
2008-03-03 21:58 < TheWeasel> It seems that the Litfin one was my last.
2008-03-03 21:58 < TheWeasel> I really should go at it again
2008-03-03 21:58 < Mike_H> omg! is a celebrity gossip website, run by Yahoo! News's entertainment division. Originally a news aggregator of celebrity news and pictures, omg! has since partnered with celebrity news media outlets such as X17 and Access Hollywood to not only use their resources, but to also compile their own features and stories.
2008-03-03 21:59 < Ceiling_Cat> TheWeasel - yes you do
2008-03-03 21:59 < Ceiling_Cat> 'Fonzy Jumps a Shark'
2008-03-03 21:59 < ancjr> haha
2008-03-03 21:59 < Ceiling_Cat> possibly the most famous episode title of any show in history
2008-03-03 21:59 < Mike_H> The website's name comes from the internet slang abbreviation, meaning "Oh, my god!"[1]
2008-03-03 21:59 * NCC-1701-E warps about the galaxy aimlessly
2008-03-03 21:59 < TheWeasel> Citation really needed?
2008-03-03 21:59 * Ceiling_Cat pokes TheWeasel
2008-03-03 22:00 < Mike_H> TheWeasel: couldn't hurt
2008-03-03 22:00 < quanticle> Mike_H: You should make a disambiguation page that preserves the old redirect to Oh, My Goddess!
2008-03-03 22:00 * TheWeasel has a hole in his side now
2008-03-03 22:00 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, Did you know there is a priceless Bonnie and Clyde homage in Pulp Fiction?
2008-03-03 22:00 < TheWeasel> It can rarely hurt, I guess
2008-03-03 22:00 < quanticle> cimon: Who doesn't?
2008-03-03 22:01 < Mike_H> quanticle:
2008-03-03 22:01 < Mike_H> No.
2008-03-03 22:01 < Mike_H> omg! is the second most-visited celebrity website in the US
2008-03-03 22:01 * TheWeasel also hates the word "said" as a pronoun
2008-03-03 22:01 < Mike_H> ahead of People
2008-03-03 22:01 < Mike_H> and behind TMZ
2008-03-03 22:01 < Mike_H> only virginal nerds give two shits about Oh My Goddess.
2008-03-03 22:02 * Ceiling_Cat watches Mike_H watch Oh My Goddess
2008-03-03 22:02 * TheWeasel erases said word from his vocabulary
2008-03-03 22:02 < ST47> Said is a pronoun?
2008-03-03 22:03 < TheWeasel> in this case, yea
2008-03-03 22:03 < quanticle> Wait, how does that work?
2008-03-03 22:03 < TheWeasel> same as "this"
2008-03-03 22:03 < ST47> But said is a verb...
2008-03-03 22:03 < cimon> quanticle, whereas the "gold watch" subthread in the plot is more of a timeless piece.
2008-03-03 22:03 * Paddington slaps Mike_H around a bit with a large trout
2008-03-03 22:03 < Krimpet> "said ____" is proper grammar
2008-03-03 22:03 < Mike_H> :<
2008-03-03 22:03 < Ceiling_Cat> in high school, one of my favorite teachers had a policy - an automatic -10% on any assignment or exam for "egregious abuse" of the english language
2008-03-03 22:03 < TheWeasel> it's something in between an adjective and a pronoun
2008-03-03 22:03 < ST47> It's still a verb...
2008-03-03 22:03 < Daniel_Bush> I watched 5 minutes of a subbed episode of that show and 5 minutes into them calling our for "berudandi" I felt sick
2008-03-03 22:03 < TheWeasel> no, "to say" is a verb
2008-03-03 22:03 < Ceiling_Cat> and there was no limit on those penalites - you could get a negative score
2008-03-03 22:03 < Daniel_Bush> Worse than Pokemon
2008-03-03 22:03 < Ceiling_Cat> One of my brother's friends used "of" as a verb 4 times on an exam
2008-03-03 22:04 < Ceiling_Cat> as in, "I could of done it"
2008-03-03 22:04 < Ral315> Ceiling_Cat, ouch...
2008-03-03 22:04 < Ceiling_Cat> he got -40%
2008-03-03 22:04 < quanticle> cimon: Heh. Nice pun.
2008-03-03 22:04 < TheWeasel> Wiktionary has it as an adjective
2008-03-03 22:04 < quanticle> TheWeasel: Said is a conjugated verb, no?
2008-03-03 22:04 < TheWeasel> but you can't say "that person is said"
2008-03-03 22:04 < TheWeasel> Except if he's an Arab, and his name is Said.
2008-03-03 22:05 < quanticle> Yeah, but that's more of a Sayeed, not Said
2008-03-03 22:05 < TheWeasel> yea, a participle used as something like an adjective
2008-03-03 22:05 < ST47> an adjective?
2008-03-03 22:05 < TheWeasel> and participles are always conjugated verbs
2008-03-03 22:05 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-03-03 22:05 < gwern> how could he get -40%? did the teacher reduce other grades in addition to giving the exam a 0?
2008-03-03 22:05 < ST47> That isn't an adjective...
2008-03-03 22:05 < ST47> I think...
2008-03-03 22:05 < TheWeasel> It can be
2008-03-03 22:05 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - he got 40% off in penalities
2008-03-03 22:05 < Undeference> Said, adj. Before-mentioned; already spoken of or specified; aforesaid -- used chiefly in legal style.
2008-03-03 22:05 < Ceiling_Cat> I should have been more clear
2008-03-03 22:06 < Cyrius> "...he clearly subscribes to the philosophy of 'crazy in the head, crazy in the bed.' Why else would somebody date a serial stalker?" <- aaand MetaFilter gets a hold of the Marsden story
2008-03-03 22:06 < ST47> God damn it, it's ten at night
2008-03-03 22:06 < Ceiling_Cat> but there was no bottom to that particular grade
2008-03-03 22:06 < TheWeasel> it's a very limited adjective though
2008-03-03 22:06 < TheWeasel> it's closer to a pronoun
2008-03-03 22:06 < ST47> It's a verb. It means "he said ..."
2008-03-03 22:06 < TheWeasel> no
2008-03-03 22:06 < ST47> :(
2008-03-03 22:06 < ST47> Context plz.
2008-03-03 22:06 < gwern> Ceiling_Cat: was no bottom? how did that work?
2008-03-03 22:06 < Undeference> ST47: said is a verb that means "said"? :-)
2008-03-03 22:06 < TheWeasel> it's an adjective, built from a past participle of a verb.
2008-03-03 22:07 < ST47> Undeference: Yes!
2008-03-03 22:07 * TheWeasel saided something else :-P
2008-03-03 22:07 < gwern> was the grade defined as a limit tending to 0 or something?
2008-03-03 22:07 < gwern> crazy
2008-03-03 22:07 < cimon> quanticle: urn burial, grave goods & martial mortuary rites
2008-03-03 22:08 < cimon> and the guys who rob battlefields, after the fact
2008-03-03 22:08 < gwern> urn burial. impressive bit of poetry
2008-03-03 22:08 < quanticle> cimon: Huh?
2008-03-03 22:08 < cimon> There always has to be somebody to keep goods in circulation.
2008-03-03 22:08 < ST47> Adjectives describe something. Blue. Big. You can make them from verbs, like running. But in the sentence '"The cake is yummy", said joe,' 'said' is the verb. The sentence is backwards. It really means 'Joe said...'. Joe is not said. Joe said.
2008-03-03 22:08 < ST47> Sleep.
2008-03-03 22:09 < cimon> quanticle, never mind me, I am imbued with the spirit of a poet atm.
2008-03-03 22:09 < Daniel_Bush> Huh. Bush has spent 452 days at his Crawford Ranch by now.
2008-03-03 22:09 < Daniel_Bush> Doing nothing.
2008-03-03 22:09 < cimon> Daniel_Bush, I thought Bush was touring with Geldof?
2008-03-03 22:10 < Undeference> ST47: "the said documents", "the aforementioned documents".
2008-03-03 22:10 < quanticle> Daniel_Bush: He's spent more time on vacation that Clinton and his dad combined.
2008-03-03 22:10 < Undeference> other than that, said is past participle of say
2008-03-03 22:10 < gwern> Daniel_Bush: presidents never do 'nothing'. he's probably engaged in corruption or schmoozing
2008-03-03 22:11 < TheWeasel> "A possessive adjective (``my,'' ``your,'' ``his,'' ``her,'' ``its,'' ``our,'' ``their'') is similar or identical to a possessive pronoun;..."
2008-03-03 22:11 < gwern> someone's gotta pay for his opulent library!
2008-03-03 22:11 < TheWeasel> HUH?
2008-03-03 22:11 < TheWeasel> Okay, so pronouns seem to be limited in English
2008-03-03 22:11 * Cobi looks around.
2008-03-03 22:11 < TheWeasel> "The demonstrative adjectives ``this,'' ``these,'' ``that,'' ``those,'' and ``what'' are identical to the demonstrative pronouns, but are used as adjectives to modify nouns or noun phrases, as in the following sentences:"
2008-03-03 22:11 * Ceiling_Cat looks at Cobi
2008-03-03 22:11 * Cobi understands that one Miranda was inquiring after me.
2008-03-03 22:11 < TheWeasel> Okay, so a case could still be made for the pronoun theory
2008-03-03 22:12 < Ceiling_Cat> Cobi - When you stare into the abyss, the abyss looks back at you
2008-03-03 22:12 < Miranda> Cobi: I thought you and monobi were the same people
2008-03-03 22:12 < Gracenotes> woot... API editing has been enabled on the test wiki!
2008-03-03 22:12 < Daniel_Bush> Weasel is one word away from wessel, which was said by Chekov from Star Trek, who hailed from Russia, and therefore TheWeasel must be a Soviet spy by proxy of a proxy of a proxy
2008-03-03 22:12 < Ceiling_Cat> -- Friedrich Nietzsche
2008-03-03 22:12 < Gracenotes> awesome!
2008-03-03 22:12 < Cobi> Miranda: 0.o
2008-03-03 22:12 < Gracenotes> hopefully it will be tested sufficiently
2008-03-03 22:12 < Miranda> co-bi and mono-bi
2008-03-03 22:12 < Gracenotes> so it can be put on the main wikis
2008-03-03 22:12 < TheWeasel> Lemme make a sketch of that.
2008-03-03 22:13 < Cyrius> "Now say 'nuclear wessels'!" "No!"
2008-03-03 22:13 < Miranda> anyway that's over, I am focused on getting Marsden's picture for her page
2008-03-03 22:13 < TheWeasel> Veselin Nucleov
2008-03-03 22:13 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat, Is the term "Critics Lounge" familiar to you?
2008-03-03 22:13 < Ceiling_Cat> no
2008-03-03 22:14 < cimon> Big thing in Heinlein scholarship...
2008-03-03 22:15 < gwern> cimon: what is it in heinlein scholarship?
2008-03-03 22:15 < gwern> wait, what? 'heinlein scholarship'? ok...
2008-03-03 22:16 < JohnReaves> freenode servers are generous
2008-03-03 22:16 < TheWeasel> I COULDN'T FIND THE ENTRY FOR URANUS
2008-03-03 22:16 < TheWeasel> Sorry, I was bored.
2008-03-03 22:16 * gwern guides TheWeasel's hands to the apropriate place
2008-03-03 22:16 < cimon> In latter years Heinlein was much preoccupied by his "World as Myth" conceit, and the Critics Lounge was a place for all people who see the world as a place to view every other persons contributions merely as a target of criticism, but never escape it by becoming genuine authors themselves. That includes authors whose works themselves are nothing but shells constructed purely for glancing off the perusal by other inhabintants of the "critics loung
2008-03-03 22:16 < cimon> e".
2008-03-03 22:16 < TheWeasel> Brr.
2008-03-03 22:17 * TheWeasel delights not in sci-fi
2008-03-03 22:17 < gwern> what a sad arrogant conceit
2008-03-03 22:18 * TheWeasel is pro-literary criticism
2008-03-03 22:18 < cimon> gwern, yes, but what a grand execution...
2008-03-03 22:19 < cimon> TheWeasel, I don't agree with Heinleins view on the matter myself, I wish it known.
2008-03-03 22:19 < TheWeasel> I gathered that
2008-03-03 22:19 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-03 22:19 < gwern> it may be one thing to live in the critic's lounge, but I'd rather live there than go with heinlein off into his ridiculous libertarian fantasy writing
2008-03-03 22:19 < cimon> There has to be a symmetry of creation and criticism, otherwise we are all screwed.
2008-03-03 22:21 < denelson83> Anyone here from Alberta?
2008-03-03 22:21 < gwern> a symmetry of quality; I wouldn't mind if volume of creation fell by half if that meant the writers had half again as much knowledge and thoughts of their subject matter
2008-03-03 22:22 < gwern> I can never process everything created as it is; and so quality is much more important to me than quantity
2008-03-03 22:23 < gwern> in science fiction, just reading through the hugo and nebula winners could occupy you for a very long time...
2008-03-03 22:23 < notagerbil> gwern: the problem is that it takes that many errors to produce a good experimental result that in fact increases knowledge...
2008-03-03 22:23 < Messedrocker> ANDROMEDA STRAIN
2008-03-03 22:23 < Daniel_Bush> Uranus is too close to the Sun now
2008-03-03 22:23 < notagerbil> gwern: analogy with pollen.
2008-03-03 22:24 < Daniel_Bush> It sets before the Sun and if you try to risk viewing it in the evening, odds are you'll go blind while looking for Uranus
2008-03-03 22:24 < gwern> notagerbil: we weren't discussing science, but fiction and art
2008-03-03 22:24 < notagerbil> gwern: same difference
2008-03-03 22:25 < The359> I wish the Sci-Fi Channel had gone through with their Andromeda Strain remake
2008-03-03 22:25 < notagerbil> gwern: we have to speak in analogies, with levels and levels of meaning beneath and between the levels...
2008-03-03 22:25 < notaguineapig> Speaking in metaphors?
2008-03-03 22:25 < notaguineapig> Sounds like Darmok
2008-03-03 22:25 < notagerbil> Shaka when the walls fell down.
2008-03-03 22:25 < notaguineapig> no "down"
2008-03-03 22:26 < The359> Jalad and Darmok
2008-03-03 22:26 < notaguineapig> at Tenagra
2008-03-03 22:26 * The359 couldn't remember the last bit
2008-03-03 22:26 * TheWeasel gets molested by a witness of Jehova
2008-03-03 22:27 < notagerbil> Steven Barnes was asked once in a radio program about if there are any black men in science fiction...
2008-03-03 22:27 < Messedrocker> worf!
2008-03-03 22:27 < Messedrocker> (also sisko)
2008-03-03 22:27 < notagerbil> Barnes had the precence of mind to note that Paul Winfield made a whole career of dying in science fiction movies...
2008-03-03 22:27 < notaguineapig> s/precence/presence/
2008-03-03 22:27 < Lubaf> Everybody open your mouth / Everybody just say "ah" / Everything will be alright / If you play along...
2008-03-03 22:28 < Lubaf> I've gotta go see my doctor about this itchy pentagram-shaped rash...
2008-03-03 22:29 < The359> sweet crap
2008-03-03 22:29 < The359> watching some YouTube videos of jumbojets getting caught in crosswinds and landing at extreme angles
2008-03-03 22:29 < denelson83> Bah... No change in Alberta
2008-03-03 22:29 < The359> including A380s going through intentional crosswind landing tests
2008-03-03 22:29 < TheWeasel> death to windshear
2008-03-03 22:30 < The359> Did you see the video of the A320 in Hamburg today, Weasel?
2008-03-03 22:30 < TheWeasel> no, not at all.
2008-03-03 22:30 < The359> http://youtube.com/watch?v=W4OxGkmvPng
2008-03-03 22:30 < TheWeasel> but we've had pretty strong wind all weekend
2008-03-03 22:30 < OverlordQ> lucky the tail didn't fall off, being built buy Airbus n all
2008-03-03 22:30 < TheWeasel> thanks
2008-03-03 22:30 < The359> he hit both wingtips though, OverlordQ
2008-03-03 22:30 < The359> had to wave off and pick back up
2008-03-03 22:31 < notagerbil> Anybody able to quote to me all the Science Fiction movies Paul Winfield has died in?
2008-03-03 22:31 < denelson83> "Darmok" wasn't a movie, BTW
2008-03-03 22:31 < notagerbil> denelson83, makes it so much better, doesn't it?
2008-03-03 22:31 < TheWeasel> oh shit
2008-03-03 22:31 < TheWeasel> thats scary
2008-03-03 22:31 < The359> I'm sure he shit his pants, Weasel
2008-03-03 22:32 < denelson83> Why couldn't they turn Alberta red??
2008-03-03 22:32 < notagerbil> denelson83, not even counting darmok, he has a body of work in that field...
2008-03-03 22:32 < denelson83> gotcha
2008-03-03 22:32 < Daniel_Bush> Star Trek could explore what happened to the Andromeda Galaxy over there. Kirk hypothesized that the planet killing machine was made by fighting Andromeda Galaxy civilizations as an "H-bomb" final solution, and the Kelvans from Andromeda said that their galaxy was to become uninhabitable due to radiation within 10,000 years. Additionally, it was said that the Andromedans sent androids to...
2008-03-03 22:32 < Daniel_Bush> ...scout for habitable worlds in other galaxies. I realize that the Kelvans, described as having a hundred tentacles, would be hard to render, but the series would be from the point of view of rebels trying to survive against the Kelvan Empire in a galaxy doomed by radiation from a previous war.
2008-03-03 22:32 < TheWeasel> passengers certainly thought that that was it.
2008-03-03 22:32 < Lubaf> Daniel_Bush: Starfleet Battles.
2008-03-03 22:32 < Lubaf> Look it up.
2008-03-03 22:32 < Lubaf> Have fun.
2008-03-03 22:33 < Lubaf> And stop asking here.
2008-03-03 22:33 < TheWeasel> he had clearance for a strip almost 100 degrees further SE-NW
2008-03-03 22:33 < TheWeasel> or it seemed like he did
2008-03-03 22:34 < Lubaf> TheWeasel: Unless something touches that shouldn't, it's a good aborted landing.
2008-03-03 22:34 < TheWeasel> very good, yea.
2008-03-03 22:34 < TheWeasel> but the wing was damaged I think
2008-03-03 22:34 < TheWeasel> not sure if it touched or if it's structural
2008-03-03 22:34 < Lubaf> Airbus.
2008-03-03 22:34 < The359> I think both wings touched
2008-03-03 22:34 < Lubaf> Doesn't matter.
2008-03-03 22:35 < Lubaf> You blow on an Airbus the wrong way, and it falls apart.
2008-03-03 22:35 < notagerbil> Lubaf: do you remember what it was that one required to perform the rite of ashkente?
2008-03-03 22:35 < TheWeasel> but they're cozy planes :-P
2008-03-03 22:36 < Lubaf> notagerbil: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=the%20rite%20of%20Ashkente
2008-03-03 22:36 < TheWeasel> but just imagine being a flight attendant there.
2008-03-03 22:36 < Lubaf> That page claims "three small bits of wood and 4 cc of mouse blood."
2008-03-03 22:36 < TheWeasel> trying to calm down the cabin for 15 more minutes
2008-03-03 22:36 < TheWeasel> while calming down yourself
2008-03-03 22:37 < notagerbil> Lubaf: I could have sworn it was 13 sticks, so much for my perfect memory...
2008-03-03 22:37 < Daniel_Bush> Wikipedia doesn't say much about the Kelvans in the Star Fleet Universe
2008-03-03 22:37 < The359> Memory Alpha, Daniel_Bush
2008-03-03 22:37 < TheWeasel> CRUFT
2008-03-03 22:38 < Messedrocker> CRUST
2008-03-03 22:38 < The359> CRUNCH
2008-03-03 22:38 < Lubaf> CRUMB
2008-03-03 22:38 < TheWeasel> it crunches when Wikipedia is eaten by cruft.
2008-03-03 22:38 < denelson83> cruſt
2008-03-03 22:38 < Daniel_Bush> Star Trek isn't cruft. Cruft is what you get when you masturbate into a sock. Picard and Kirk deserve more respect,.
2008-03-03 22:38 < denelson83> When you WHAT?!?!?!?!
2008-03-03 22:38 < Lubaf> Daniel_Bush: Inclusionist.
2008-03-03 22:39 < TheWeasel> "no man, you don't understand, I NEED TO INCLUDE THAT CRUFT!" *shakes and twitches*
2008-03-03 22:39 < notagerbil> Anyone remember what movie is it that Christopher Walken plays a sicilian who interrogates a character played by Dennis Hopper?
2008-03-03 22:39 < The359> do we have an article on sock masturbation?
2008-03-03 22:39 < TheWeasel> "sir, please move along" "no man, listen" *foam at the mouth
2008-03-03 22:39 < Lubaf> notagerbil: If you can see him, though, Captain Carrot worked out a simpler way of summoning Death: Just wait at the bed of a terminally ill man of sufficient importance that the big D shows up himself.
2008-03-03 22:39 < Lubaf> (See Theatre of Cruelty)
2008-03-03 22:39 < denelson83> notagerbil: "Needs More Cowbell" :p
2008-03-03 22:40 < Daniel_Bush> What do the people at the NSA think when they see people look up things like "sock masturbation"
2008-03-03 22:41 < The359> "Hmmm, that's an interesting thought, I wonder what it says" ?
2008-03-03 22:41 < TheWeasel> they mustn't think anything.
2008-03-03 22:41 < Lubaf> Daniel_Bush: The people at the NSA don't see anything unless you use the magic words.
2008-03-03 22:41 < Lubaf> Say, "Ricin bomb".
2008-03-03 22:41 < notagerbil> Who was it that said that if you watch everybody, you watch nobody?
2008-03-03 22:41 < Lubaf> I've just attracted the vague attention of some NSA monitor.
2008-03-03 22:41 < notagerbil> was it Gilmore?
2008-03-03 22:42 < Daniel_Bush> If I wanted to kill a presidential candidate, getting him or her to shake my hand with a ricin-tipped needle in it would be the way to go
2008-03-03 22:42 < Daniel_Bush> except then I'd accidentally touch it and fall down
2008-03-03 22:43 < denelson83> I'll chet your blong! :p
2008-03-03 22:43 < TheWeasel> Obama is used to people swooning in his presence.
2008-03-03 22:43 < notagerbil> Daniel_Bush, You should read the book by the latest fan of wikipedia [[User:Wageless]] (real name Nicholson Baker). One of them is involved by more and more cartoon style ways of offing dubya...
2008-03-03 22:43 < Chetblong|away> denelson83 it's Chet B. Long :P
2008-03-03 22:43 < denelson83> thank you
2008-03-03 22:44 < Lubaf> Daniel_Bush: I'd say "Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter", but they're not, so I won't.
2008-03-03 22:44 < TheWeasel> and here I was thinking it won't B. Long till I B. Long to you.
2008-03-03 22:44 < Ral315> Daniel_Bush: Ever seen the TV show 24? Second season saw the use of a biological agent transferred by a handshake.
2008-03-03 22:44 < Daniel_Bush> I don't watch 4
2008-03-03 22:44 < TheWeasel> torture all handshakers.
2008-03-03 22:44 < Daniel_Bush> I mean 24
2008-03-03 22:44 < denelson83> Okay, Strong Bad
2008-03-03 22:44 < Daniel_Bush> It's six times worse than 4.
2008-03-03 22:45 < notagerbil> If I had to kill a president, I wouldn't. Time heals all errors of creation.
2008-03-03 22:45 < Ral315> notagerbil, that seems counterintuitive.
2008-03-03 22:45 < quanticle> notagerbil: Are you Buddhist?
2008-03-03 22:45 < Ral315> If you had to kill a president, you couldn't refuse, could you? :)
2008-03-03 22:45 < notagerbil> quanticle, No, I would kill Buddha, if he came to me.
2008-03-03 22:46 < Daniel_Bush> Ever notice how in Star Trek, when the very advanced aliens use a torture device, the actors all grab their throats
2008-03-03 22:46 < Daniel_Bush> because they can't show that they're being tortured in any other way than that
2008-03-03 22:46 < Arwen> Ral315, if you couldn't refuse, doesn't that automatically mean you would?
2008-03-03 22:46 < quanticle> Daniel_Bush: Apparently advanced torture device == choking
2008-03-03 22:46 < Messedrocker> choking isn't terribly advanced
2008-03-03 22:46 < Messedrocker> it's so easy a caveman can do it
2008-03-03 22:47 < notagerbil> quanticle, Why did Buddha come from the west?
2008-03-03 22:47 < TheWeasel> choking is an effective way to create panic.
2008-03-03 22:47 < TheWeasel> (note: that's not an endorsement)
2008-03-03 22:47 < gwern> notagerbil: the mountains in the sun
2008-03-03 22:48 < notagerbil> gwern: my job here is done.
2008-03-03 22:49 < NotACow> whee
2008-03-03 22:49 < NotACow> 1320 hits today
2008-03-03 22:49 < Messedrocker> kinky
2008-03-03 22:49 < TheWeasel> And now someone chops someone's hand off.
2008-03-03 22:49 < denelson83> NotACow: On what site?
2008-03-03 22:49 < Messedrocker> NotACow, you seem to know everything. do sole-props need to be registered with some body?
2008-03-03 22:49 < NotACow> denelson83: my blogggggg
2008-03-03 22:49 < NotACow> Messedrocker: sole-props?
2008-03-03 22:49 < denelson83> your blogggggggggggggggggg
2008-03-03 22:49 < Messedrocker> NotACow, stop talking like my friends' away messages
2008-03-03 22:49 < Messedrocker> with the pointless repeating of consonantsssss
2008-03-03 22:49 < NotACow> bloggy blog blog
2008-03-03 22:49 < Messedrocker> bliggy blug
2008-03-03 22:50 < NotACow> Messedrocker: mooooooooooooo
2008-03-03 22:50 < Messedrocker> also, "sole proprietorships"
2008-03-03 22:50 < denelson83> blog blog blog bling bling bling blog
2008-03-03 22:50 < NotACow> blaggy blag blag
2008-03-03 22:50 < Messedrocker> and "o" is a vowel
2008-03-03 22:50 < NotACow> Messedrocker: ah.
2008-03-03 22:50 < TheWeasel> Who else would own my soles?
2008-03-03 22:50 < denelson83> blug?
2008-03-03 22:50 < NotACow> Messedrocker: many communitie require a business license
2008-03-03 22:50 < denelson83> What's a communitie?
2008-03-03 22:50 < NotACow> Messedrocker: and if you operate under a name other than your natural name you may need to register a d/b/a
2008-03-03 22:50 < NotACow> denelson83: a community that cannot spell.
2008-03-03 22:51 < TheWeasel> WYKIPEDIE PROVYDETH EXCELLENTE COMMUNITIE
2008-03-03 22:51 < denelson83> but I kan spel jest fain, thenk yu
2008-03-03 22:51 < NotACow> Messedrocker: if you have employees you need to register with the IRS to obtain an FEIN
2008-03-03 22:51 < denelson83> a FEIN?
2008-03-03 22:51 * TheWeasel can fain spell
2008-03-03 22:51 * TheWeasel however can feign spelling
2008-03-03 22:51 < TheWeasel> oh damn
2008-03-03 22:52 < denelson83> What's that?
2008-03-03 22:52 < TheWeasel> "fain" means "gladly"
2008-03-03 22:52 < TheWeasel> my bad
2008-03-03 22:52 < denelson83> I'd fain spell myself, TheWeasel; don't feel bad
2008-03-03 22:52 * gwern would fain use obscure words
2008-03-03 22:52 < Messedrocker> NotACow, would I need a FEIN if my employees would be responsible for paying taxes themselves?
2008-03-03 22:52 < gwern> much will those with mickle vocabulary thole in their incomprehension
2008-03-03 22:53 < TheWeasel> I only know it from one passage of Shakespeare
2008-03-03 22:53 < TheWeasel> Polonius saying "I would fain prove so"
2008-03-03 22:53 < denelson83> NotACow: What's a F.A.I.N.?
2008-03-03 22:53 < gwern> srsly? it gets used all the time in arthurian sort of stuff
2008-03-03 22:53 < Messedrocker> a FEIN is a Federal Employer Identification Number
2008-03-03 22:53 < denelson83> ah
2008-03-03 22:53 < Ral315> Messedrocker: I'm not honestly sure you can get away with just telling employees to pay their own taxes.
2008-03-03 22:53 < TheWeasel> fein = "of excellent quality" in German
2008-03-03 22:53 < Messedrocker> and the second half of Sinn Fein
2008-03-03 22:53 < NotACow> Messedrocker: employers must file certain tax returns, and in most cases must withhold taxes from employees
2008-03-03 22:54 < TheWeasel> "premium" was agreed on as a good translation
2008-03-03 22:54 < NotACow> TheWeasel: Fein makes good power tools, too
2008-03-03 22:54 < TheWeasel> not to be confused with "thane"
2008-03-03 22:54 < NotACow> spein
2008-03-03 22:55 < gwern> woot. I am finally caught up with my watchlist. except for the 10 or 20 difficult cases...
2008-03-03 22:55 < NotACow> i am completely caught up with my watchlist
2008-03-03 22:55 < denelson83> I'll list your watch
2008-03-03 22:55 < denelson83> for sale on eBay
2008-03-03 22:55 < Messedrocker> NotACow, so a sole-proprietorship registers a D/B/A when applicable, and for a FEIN when hiring employees
2008-03-03 22:55 < gwern> NotACow: gloat whydoncha
2008-03-03 22:56 < Ral315> Messedrocker: You might research whether a Limited Liability Corporation may be preferable to a Sole Proprietorship
2008-03-03 22:56 * TheWeasel seeks a watchman via craigslist
2008-03-03 22:56 < Ral315> Protects your ass (and your parents', too, if you're under 18) should you be sued.
2008-03-03 22:56 < Messedrocker> well if i were 18 i'd just skip the foreplay and file for incorporationg
2008-03-03 22:56 < Messedrocker> incorporation
2008-03-03 22:57 < denelson83> incorporationg? Is that what you get when you incorporate a schlong?
2008-03-03 22:57 < TheWeasel> Messedrocker: You should declare independence. Countries have a far easier time not going bankrupt.
2008-03-03 22:57 < Messedrocker> "Hearty Schlong, Inc."
2008-03-03 22:57 < Messedrocker> "A division of Viacom"
2008-03-03 22:58 < Ral315> You could set up a corporation with you owning 100% of the shares, but others (parents, over-18 friends) as board members.
2008-03-03 22:58 < Ral315> I believe that'd cover the legal requirements, but IANAL.
2008-03-03 22:58 < kenlyric> no, a division of newscorp
2008-03-03 22:58 < denelson83> no, a division of CBC
2008-03-03 22:58 < kenlyric> all dicks are a division of newscorp
2008-03-03 22:58 < Messedrocker> in delaware i can own a corporation as a minor, but i'd need an adult to be a board member, plus in order to do business in my home state of new jersey i'd need a license to operate, which would require me to be 18
2008-03-03 22:59 < denelson83> or haliburton
2008-03-03 22:59 < TheWeasel> wouldn't that go into a trust that he would have to wait for till 18?
2008-03-03 22:59 < TheWeasel> oh, nm
2008-03-03 22:59 < Messedrocker> i never thought of haliburton as owning subsidiaries
2008-03-03 22:59 < TheWeasel> I hate common law.
2008-03-03 22:59 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-03 22:59 < denelson83> No, Hell-iburton
2008-03-03 23:00 < Ral315> Well, if you structured it with you owning all the shares, you could run the company without actually functioning as its board member.
2008-03-03 23:00 < denelson83> That's "a" board member
2008-03-03 23:00 < Ral315> Of course, yeah.
2008-03-03 23:00 < TheWeasel> halibut-on?
2008-03-03 23:00 < Messedrocker> don't you have to be of age to own stock?
2008-03-03 23:00 < Ral315> Don't believe so.
2008-03-03 23:00 < TheWeasel> I believe the stock is put in a trust for you
2008-03-03 23:01 < NotACow> Messedrocker: no, you don't
2008-03-03 23:01 < NotACow> Messedrocker: property owned by a minor is held in trust by a parent, guardian, or trustee
2008-03-03 23:01 < Messedrocker> woot.
2008-03-03 23:02 < TheWeasel> I SO WIN
2008-03-03 23:02 < TheWeasel> there are no trusts in civil law so I was going way out on a limb
2008-03-03 23:02 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-03 23:02 < Messedrocker> boy is this a convoluted business plan
2008-03-03 23:02 < NotACow> 1. Write encyclopedia. 2. ???? 3. Profit!
2008-03-03 23:02 < Messedrocker> have my father incorporate in delaware, except i own all the stock, and when i become 18 he appoint me CEO
2008-03-03 23:03 < Ral315> Messedrocker, [[UGMA]] covers stock and minors.
2008-03-03 23:03 < kenlyric> NotACow: step 1) is "create cult" step 2 is "have cultists write encycopedia" step 3 is profit.
2008-03-03 23:04 < kenlyric> there's now ??? in that business plan
2008-03-03 23:04 < kenlyric> *no
2008-03-03 23:05 < Messedrocker> all this is interesting, really. i plan on operating under radar, but it's good to have a sound structure in place
2008-03-03 23:07 * Gracenotes NP: BBC trance theme
2008-03-03 23:07 < NotACow> UGMA UGMA UGMA
2008-03-03 23:07 < TheWeasel> Delaware doesn't exist.
2008-03-03 23:07 < denelson83> Neither does Washington D.C.
2008-03-03 23:07 < NotACow> my daughter has an account that falls under UTMA i think
2008-03-03 23:07 < denelson83> UGMA? UTMA? Make up your mind
2008-03-03 23:08 < Messedrocker> NotACow, i have an UTMA account
2008-03-03 23:09 < NotACow> denelson83: UGMA applies in some states, UTMA in others
2008-03-03 23:09 < NotACow> my daughter's allowance is currently $25 a month
2008-03-03 23:09 < Messedrocker> that's probably more than i got when i was her age
2008-03-03 23:10 * Jonjonbt gets about the same
2008-03-03 23:10 < NotACow> she's four.
2008-03-03 23:10 < Messedrocker> when i was four, i got a grand smacking $0 per month
2008-03-03 23:10 < denelson83> O_O $25/month?????!!!!!
2008-03-03 23:10 < NotACow> and my gf gives her another $25/month
2008-03-03 23:12 < denelson83> What?!?! Jimbo was dating Rachel Marsden?!?!
2008-03-03 23:13 < Messedrocker> welcome to days ago
2008-03-03 23:13 < denelson83> I only found that out a minute ago
2008-03-03 23:13 < denelson83> ¬_¬;
2008-03-03 23:14 < gwern> denelson83: we've discussed it quite a bit
2008-03-03 23:14 < denelson83> And I never noticed
2008-03-03 23:14 < denelson83> Gih...
2008-03-03 23:14 < gwern> yes, which is why I find your epiphany odd
2008-03-03 23:14 < Cyrius> the real scandal is danny's statement that jimmy was misusing foundation money
2008-03-03 23:15 < Cyrius> that he's having sex with crazy casts doubt on his judgement, but it's not, in itself, that important to us
2008-03-03 23:16 < denelson83> If you had put "crazy" in quotes, that statement would be much more understandable
2008-03-03 23:16 < denelson83> and capitalized it
2008-03-03 23:16 * denelson83 <-- Grammar nazi
2008-03-03 23:16 * NotACow has denelson83 arrested for naziism
2008-03-03 23:16 < denelson83> Thank you
2008-03-03 23:17 < Cyrius> in parentheses?
2008-03-03 23:17 < Cyrius> sorry, I had an Alice's Restaurant moment there
2008-03-03 23:17 * denelson83 sprays spit all over his keyboard
2008-03-03 23:18 < TheWeasel> shovels and rakes and implements of destruction
2008-03-03 23:20 < denelson83> Is it just me, or is "donkey shit" a tautology?
2008-03-03 23:21 < Cyrius> uh, how so?
2008-03-03 23:21 < denelson83> Synonym for 'donkey'
2008-03-03 23:21 < Cyrius> I don't follow
2008-03-03 23:22 < denelson83> All shit comes out the same place
2008-03-03 23:22 < TheWeasel> "iPod Nano" and "Whopper Junior"
2008-03-03 23:22 < Cyrius> donkey = equus asinus
2008-03-03 23:22 < denelson83> Those are oxymorons
2008-03-03 23:22 < TheWeasel> as examples of an adjective following the verb?
2008-03-03 23:22 < denelson83> You know, "ass shit"?
2008-03-03 23:22 < OverlordQ> yes, but humans shit as well
2008-03-03 23:22 < Cyrius> donkey shit is like horse shit, except it doesn't have as far to fall
2008-03-03 23:23 < Cyrius> AppleBoy: your cloak amuses me
2008-03-03 23:23 < TheWeasel> ""Astraea Redux," Apocalypse Now Redux"
2008-03-03 23:23 < TheWeasel> thats nonsense
2008-03-03 23:23 < TheWeasel> those aren't adjectives
2008-03-03 23:24 < NotACow> TARTS
2008-03-03 23:24 < TheWeasel> nobody would call the Viper in "Dodge Viper" an adjective
2008-03-03 23:24 < Cyrius> wouldn't "Dodge" be the adjective there?
2008-03-03 23:24 < NotACow> my son's nickname is The Viper
2008-03-03 23:24 < NotACow> Cyrius: no
2008-03-03 23:24 < NotACow> it's not an adjective
2008-03-03 23:24 < TheWeasel> I am ze viper. I've come to vipe your vindow.
2008-03-03 23:25 < OverlordQ> that'd make more sense then trying to call Viper the adjective, imo
2008-03-03 23:25 < TheWeasel> there's no adjective at all there
2008-03-03 23:25 < gwern> the viper story was terrible
2008-03-03 23:25 < gwern> no one would throw themselves out of a window just for that
2008-03-03 23:25 < TheWeasel> even if you'd call it Dodge Melodic, that's not a case of an adjective following a noun
2008-03-03 23:25 < TheWeasel> not like "times immemorial"
2008-03-03 23:26 < TheWeasel> it's a brand name, the adjective doesn't seriously describe the noun
2008-03-03 23:26 < TheWeasel> even worse with "Whopper Junior"
2008-03-03 23:27 < TheWeasel> or "ipod nano", where nano is a prefix
2008-03-03 23:27 < TheWeasel> no idea if it can be used as an adjective
2008-03-03 23:27 < TheWeasel> </rant>
2008-03-03 23:27 < Cyrius> "Dodge Ram" was always mildly amusing
2008-03-03 23:27 < NotACow> whoppers junior
2008-03-03 23:28 < Cyrius> like attorneys general?
2008-03-03 23:28 < TheWeasel> Since times immemorial, people have ordered whoppers junior
2008-03-03 23:28 < TheWeasel> French does something like that
2008-03-03 23:29 < TheWeasel> with a dash
2008-03-03 23:29 < NotACow> TheWeasel: "whoppers junior" is due to William F. Buckley
2008-03-03 23:29 < NotACow> may he roast in flames
2008-03-03 23:29 < denelson83> fnordus is in Vancouver, BC
2008-03-03 23:29 < TheWeasel> yea, I saw it
2008-03-03 23:30 < TheWeasel> go, Gore Vidal.
2008-03-03 23:30 < NotACow> boog boog boog
2008-03-03 23:31 < TheWeasel> "slogan of "You'll get more with Gore"
2008-03-03 23:32 < TheWeasel> why the "you'll"?
2008-03-03 23:32 < TheWeasel> That'll have cost him the election
2008-03-03 23:35 * TheWeasel goes to articles he doesn't like and sticks "citation needed" to every word, and God help them if they can't account for every last one of them.
2008-03-03 23:35 < TheWeasel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Vidal#Political_views_and_activities
2008-03-03 23:35 < TheWeasel> like this fine example
2008-03-03 23:35 < gwern> ah, and with the final revert, my last WP task of the night is improving [[Hokusai]] from the citizendium article
2008-03-03 23:37 < TheWeasel> "As Vidal biographer, Fred Kaplan, later commented, ..."
2008-03-03 23:37 < TheWeasel> are those commas really grammatical?
2008-03-03 23:38 < denelson83> ,,,
2008-03-03 23:38 < TheWeasel> 'Cause I wouldn't put them.
2008-03-03 23:39 < kenlyric> I wouldn't either.
2008-03-03 23:39 < TheWeasel> I see those an awful lot though
2008-03-03 23:39 < kenlyric> if it was "Vidal's biographer" maybe
2008-03-03 23:40 < OverlordQ> I'd leave the first, but take out the 2nd two. Then again I never got good grades in English class
2008-03-03 23:40 < kenlyric> but biographer is an adjective to his name
2008-03-03 23:40 < TheWeasel> "Omit commas around names in apposition (e.g., “Jane’s daughter Sally is...” )." sayeth a small American college
2008-03-03 23:42 < TheWeasel> My husband, Will, washed the dishes last night. (A comma is needed because the person speaking has only one husband.)
2008-03-03 23:42 < TheWeasel> Weird.
2008-03-03 23:43 < TheWeasel> that's the comma-friendly opinion
2008-03-03 23:43 < NotACow> DEATH TO COMMAS
2008-03-03 23:43 < gwern> yay, and I'm done
2008-03-03 23:43 < gwern> that was one tedious night
2008-03-03 23:43 < Leslie_S> anyone knowledgable about college in the US around?
2008-03-03 23:44 * TheWeasel reads two more completely differing opinions on the subject
2008-03-03 23:44 * Krimpet goes to college
2008-03-03 23:48 * TheWeasel gathers the correct way of handling is "if it looks good, do it"
2008-03-03 23:50 < Leslie_S> Krimpet hey uhm.
2008-03-03 23:50 < Leslie_S> Krimpet i have a major major issue :(
2008-03-03 23:50 < Leslie_S> can i pm?
2008-03-03 23:50 < Krimpet> Leslie_S: sure
2008-03-03 23:51 * TheWeasel reads Mencken on good English
2008-03-03 23:59 * NotACow prefers colonel issues.
2008-03-03 23:59 < NotACow> W))))))T
2008-03-03 23:59 < NotACow> w00t
2008-03-03 23:59 < TheWeasel> Kernel issues?
2008-03-04 00:00 < NotACow> general protection fault
2008-03-04 00:02 < TheWeasel> Be nicer to veterans.
2008-03-04 00:02 < TheWeasel> they're not responsible for all bluescreens.
2008-03-04 00:03 < TheWeasel> General Failure is the pal of Corporal Punishment
2008-03-04 00:05 * TheWeasel is off to join Major Catastrophe and Private Parts
2008-03-04 00:05 < Leslie_S> kernel, lol
2008-03-04 00:06 < Leslie_S> General Protection is my neighbor
2008-03-04 00:06 < TheWeasel> "One such watchman went to the length of denouncing it as proof of a sinister effort, inspired by the Wilhelmstrasse, to introduce discord into the Anglo-American entente. This reviewer gave a final touch to his bill of complaint by accusing me of being a Jew. I remain unable to comprehend the relevancy of the charge, but hasten to give assurance that my earliest known ancestors were...
2008-03-04 00:06 < TheWeasel> ...uncompromising Christians, and engaged gallantly in the pogroms of their time."
2008-03-04 00:06 < TheWeasel> <3
2008-03-04 00:07 * NotACow goes to bed
2008-03-04 00:07 < TheWeasel> first row, from Leftenant to Rightenant?
2008-03-04 00:07 * NotACow wonders how the debacle will be doing in the morning, when the jimbeau special express breaks into the US mainstream media....
2008-03-04 00:10 < TheWeasel> Mencken writes "oftener"!
2008-03-04 00:14 < Leslie_S> oftener, lols
2008-03-04 00:15 < HedzzarD> Obtener.
2008-03-04 00:22 < nokmar> Obtainer.
2008-03-04 00:23 < TheWeasel> in the sense of "we travel ever further and ever oftener"
2008-03-04 00:23 < kmccoy> NotACow, shouldn't it be "whom" on your blog title?
2008-03-04 00:24 * TheWeasel wonders if "whom" covers both dative and accusative
2008-03-04 00:24 < TheWeasel> The person whom I mean, the person to whom I give the present
2008-03-04 00:26 < TheWeasel> Whom did I mean?
2008-03-04 00:26 < TheWeasel> you can use "who" if you split the infinitive in dative constructs... "Who did I give it to?"
2008-03-04 00:27 < kmccoy> Hm.
2008-03-04 00:30 < tawker> hey privatemusings - nice start
2008-03-04 00:30 < Messedrocker> yeah
2008-03-04 00:30 < privatemusings> hey tawker...
2008-03-04 00:30 < privatemusings> thanks!
2008-03-04 00:30 < Messedrocker> who knew that he was english?
2008-03-04 00:30 < privatemusings> just posted the other 3 bits....
2008-03-04 00:30 < privatemusings> (who said I was english?)
2008-03-04 00:30 < privatemusings> ;-)
2008-03-04 00:30 < tawker> hmm, do you have them as .ogg or .mp3
2008-03-04 00:30 < tawker> so i could stick them on my ipod
2008-03-04 00:30 < privatemusings> ogg only
2008-03-04 00:31 < privatemusings> at the moment....
2008-03-04 00:31 < privatemusings> haven't figured out an external web host for the mp3...
2008-03-04 00:31 < FastLizard4|busy> privatemusings: I want my mp3!!!1!
2008-03-04 00:31 < FastLizard4|busy> privatemusings: Anyway, how'd it go!
2008-03-04 00:31 < privatemusings> well messedrocker's here too.... i think it was pretty good overall...
2008-03-04 00:31 * FastLizard4|busy wonders why he typed all that using exclamation points
2008-03-04 00:32 * tawker is thinking about creating not.wikipediaweekly.org
2008-03-04 00:33 < privatemusings> maybe notthe.wikipediaweekly.org !
2008-03-04 00:33 < tawker> got a server for it
2008-03-04 00:33 < tawker> or would you need room on el wikipediaweekly.org
2008-03-04 00:33 < privatemusings> i can bend some arms maybe to grab some server space
2008-03-04 00:33 < privatemusings> but don't have any lined up or anything....
2008-03-04 00:34 < privatemusings> the mp3 is only 12.5 megs
2008-03-04 00:34 < FastLizard4|busy> o_O
2008-03-04 00:34 < tawker> hmm, its tiny
2008-03-04 00:34 < privatemusings> I couldn't compress the ogg.s well at all......
2008-03-04 00:34 < tawker> compared w/ our average 30+MB podcasts
2008-03-04 00:34 < privatemusings> we have noticably lower quality at the moment....
2008-03-04 00:35 < privatemusings> (no jokes, please...) ;-)
2008-03-04 00:35 < privatemusings> but it's absolutely listenable, I reckon.....
2008-03-04 00:35 < tawker> the editing's a nightmare
2008-03-04 00:35 < tawker> its what really takes the time
2008-03-04 00:35 < privatemusings> that's why we decided not to bother
2008-03-04 00:36 < privatemusings> it's all just live
2008-03-04 00:36 < privatemusings> (when I say we - I really mean 'me' at this stage..)
2008-03-04 00:36 < tawker> heh, for a while it was me and fuzzy
2008-03-04 00:36 < tawker> and then mostly fuzzy
2008-03-04 00:38 < brenden> is wikipedia getting ddosed or something
2008-03-04 00:39 < tawker> umm, neg
2008-03-04 00:39 < brenden> why is it not working
2008-03-04 00:41 < brenden> when i try to visit any wikipedia pages my little firefox animated thingy just spins forever
2008-03-04 00:41 < brenden> i'm going to lose it
2008-03-04 00:41 < brenden> i feel so dumb without it
2008-03-04 00:42 < FastLizard4|busy> brenden: It's you
2008-03-04 00:42 < brenden> but the rest of the tubes are fine
2008-03-04 00:43 < FastLizard4|busy> It's you, I'm navigating it right now
2008-03-04 00:43 < FastLizard4|busy> Try letting it sit
2008-03-04 00:43 < brenden> i finally got an article to load
2008-03-04 00:43 < brenden> it took about 5 mins though
2008-03-04 00:44 < brenden> hmm
2008-03-04 00:44 < brenden> seems to be coming back now
2008-03-04 00:44 < brenden> yay
2008-03-04 00:45 < Lubaf> Why is [[Gobledy-Gooker]] a redlink?
2008-03-04 00:45 < FastLizard4|busy> Why is [[]] a red link?
2008-03-04 00:45 < Lubaf> The Gobledy-Gooker is a really prime example of why wrestling sucks.
2008-03-04 00:45 < FastLizard4|busy> I wish people would stop asking, check the deletion logs
2008-03-04 00:45 < FastLizard4|busy> Or write the article
2008-03-04 00:46 < Mike_H> brenden: you should read [[omg!]]
2008-03-04 00:47 < brenden> your face
2008-03-04 00:47 < Mike_H> omg! :<
2008-03-04 00:47 * Krimpet really wishes people would stop being condescending and instead answer questions instead of complaining about them. :)
2008-03-04 00:48 * privatemusings demands Mike listens to the audio chat we recorded earlier immediately....
2008-03-04 00:48 < kmccoy> Krimpet, that's an attitude indicating immaturity and, you know, helpfulness.
2008-03-04 00:48 * kmccoy tries, poorly, to condescend.
2008-03-04 00:49 < FastLizard4|busy> privatemusings: I'll listen when I get a change, I'm actually still doing homework :9
2008-03-04 00:49 < FastLizard4|busy> * :(
2008-03-04 00:49 < privatemusings> okey dokey, can anyone explain transcluding to an idiot?
2008-03-04 00:49 < FastLizard4|busy> uhh
2008-03-04 00:50 < FastLizard4|busy> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Transclusion might work (if it exists)
2008-03-04 00:50 < privatemusings> there's a bit of a page that I want to also exist as a separate page...
2008-03-04 00:50 < privatemusings> (the help didn't exist!)
2008-03-04 00:52 < FastLizard4|busy> hmm
2008-03-04 00:52 < Lubaf> Wrestling in-joke: "For Vince Russo, a gimmick match would be a one on one match with one fall to determine the winner."
2008-03-04 00:55 < Ceiling_Cat> :(
2008-03-04 00:55 < privatemusings> up late, ceiling cat?
2008-03-04 00:55 < Ceiling_Cat> Can you believe that no english translation of the complete goebbels diaries exist?
2008-03-04 00:55 < privatemusings> not really...
2008-03-04 00:55 < privatemusings> are you sure?
2008-03-04 00:56 < Ceiling_Cat> They were thought to have been mostly destroyed