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2008-03-03 12:10 < NotACow> NotASpy: 750 is a credit score, yes.
2008-03-03 12:10 < NotACow> PMI is private mortgage insurance
2008-03-03 12:10 < NotACow> many mortgagers require PMI for homes with less than 20% equity
2008-03-03 12:10 < NotACow> some will only require it to 10% equity
2008-03-03 12:10 < NotASpy> ah right, it's a little different to the UK (not much though).
2008-03-03 12:10 < NotACow> the exact requirements will depend on your credit score and the quality of the local housing market
2008-03-03 12:11 * rw sings "money makes the world go round" lalala
2008-03-03 12:11 < NotACow> anyway, jimmy's homebuying behavior here is solidly middle class, not what i'd expect from someone who has "comfortable means"
2008-03-03 12:12 < NotASpy> any accounts for Bomis floating about ?
2008-03-03 12:12 < NotACow> then again, maybe he just has really strong credit and 5% was all that was required to avoid PMI.
2008-03-03 12:12 < NotACow> and the $20,000 tax bill he has to pay next month must not be nice
2008-03-03 12:12 < NotACow> he sold his house last month for $50,000
2008-03-03 12:12 < NotACow> and because he didn't buy another one, he can't roll the basis forward
2008-03-03 12:12 < NotACow> sorry, for $230,000
2008-03-03 12:12 < NotACow> and i meant last december
2008-03-03 12:13 < rw> TheWeasel, where were we?
2008-03-03 12:13 < NotASpy> what we would call Capital Gains Tax in the UK.
2008-03-03 12:13 < NotACow> so he has a $50,000 capital gain that he can't roll forward
2008-03-03 12:13 < NotACow> so he has to pay ~40% of that as cap gains tax.
2008-03-03 12:13 < TheWeasel> don't pay the middle class/don't even fix a price/don't pay the middle class/before it hands all the swing states to you-hou
2008-03-03 12:13 < NotACow> at least, if he bought another house, it's not in pinellas county
2008-03-03 12:13 < NotACow> i checked the property records there, no reecord of him recording a deed
2008-03-03 12:13 < NotASpy> NotACow: can he put some of that money into something like Wikia ?
2008-03-03 12:13 < NotACow> NotASpy: sure, but he still has to pay the taxes!
2008-03-03 12:14 < NotACow> NotASpy: the only way to avoid paying cap gains on the sale of a house is to roll the basis into another house
2008-03-03 12:14 < NotACow> and since he didn't buy another house, he can't do that
2008-03-03 12:14 < NotASpy> ah, that would be different in the UK, he would be able to avoid Capital Gains Tax on the house sale by putting the money into a business or some other sort of investment.
2008-03-03 12:14 < TheWeasel> Alllll my assets are in taxes/and taxes are the things I really longggggg to dodge/...
2008-03-03 12:15 < NotACow> NotASpy: nope, you can only roll it into the purchase of residential property
2008-03-03 12:15 * ASpy spies on NotASpy
2008-03-03 12:15 < TheWeasel> Aspie?
2008-03-03 12:15 < NotACow> lots of those around here
2008-03-03 12:16 < TheWeasel> NotAspie
2008-03-03 12:16 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-03 12:16 < TheWeasel> lots of self-diagnosed Aspies.
2008-03-03 12:16 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-03-03 12:16 * The-NSA taps TheWeasel
2008-03-03 12:16 < NotACow> it still amuses me that jimmy's house cost less than mine.
2008-03-03 12:16 < TheWeasel> NO WIRES I'M ALLERGIC LIKE TO WIRES
2008-03-03 12:17 < TheWeasel> If I was the NSA, I'd tap that.
2008-03-03 12:17 < NotASpy> NotACow: how does your house measure up, in terms of size, to Jimbos ?
2008-03-03 12:18 < The-NSA> well, NotACow's house has to be a big as a barn
2008-03-03 12:18 < NotACow> NotASpy: somewhat smaller.
2008-03-03 12:18 * TheWeasel knows people who live in former barns
2008-03-03 12:18 < The-NSA> haha
2008-03-03 12:18 < NotACow> NotASpy: his is about 2400 square feet, mine is only about 1800
2008-03-03 12:18 < TheWeasel> mostly artsy people who need a studio
2008-03-03 12:19 < NotACow> NotASpy: but i live in cook county, illinois, which is considerably pricier than pinellas county, florida
2008-03-03 12:19 < NotACow> his taxes are lower, too
2008-03-03 12:19 < NotACow> $2807.15
2008-03-03 12:19 < NotACow> mine are nearly twice that
2008-03-03 12:20 < NotASpy> that's much the same with Britain, small houses in sought after towns are fetching silly prices.
2008-03-03 12:20 < qed> im having some trouble editing wiki
2008-03-03 12:20 < NotACow> qed: reboot your karma.
2008-03-03 12:21 < qed> under linux, it automagically now asks me to open an external editor when i go to edit a page
2008-03-03 12:21 < NotASpy> qed: did you sent in your payment to the cabal first ?
2008-03-03 12:21 < qed> ah, that must be it
2008-03-03 12:21 < qed> okay ive wired the money to the cayman bank account
2008-03-03 12:21 < qed> now what
2008-03-03 12:22 < NotASpy> wait for the magic pixie dust to arrive in the post.
2008-03-03 12:22 < qed> wait a minute this looks more like anthr...
2008-03-03 12:22 < qed> oh...my...god...
2008-03-03 12:22 * TheWeasel moves to LIECHTENSCHWEIN, TAXES
2008-03-03 12:22 < NotASpy> when it arrives, sprinkle it on the computer.
2008-03-03 12:22 < NotASpy> yes. It looks like anthracite.
2008-03-03 12:23 < NotASpy> when Linux and web browser are you using ?
2008-03-03 12:23 < NotACow> http://www.blog.jeepguymike.com/2008/03/from-too-big-for-his-britches.html <- hee hee
2008-03-03 12:24 * TheWeasel is going to trademark "Liechtenschwein"
2008-03-03 12:26 * TheWeasel is Vaduzt
2008-03-03 12:28 < qed> NotACow: it's firefox
2008-03-03 12:28 < qed> firefoxen
2008-03-03 12:28 < qed> err NotASpy it's firefoxen
2008-03-03 12:28 < qed> i click edit:
2008-03-03 12:29 < ggreer> NotACow: well it makes sense. all the cool stuff is in cities
2008-03-03 12:29 < qed> You have chosen to open <blank>
2008-03-03 12:29 < qed> which is a: application/x-external-editor
2008-03-03 12:29 < qed> What should Firefox do with this file?
2008-03-03 12:29 < ggreer> qed: nothing, but you should switch to safari
2008-03-03 12:29 < qed> im under linux
2008-03-03 12:29 < qed> sandwich face
2008-03-03 12:30 < NotASpy> qed: paste http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&action=edit in the address bar and tell me what happens.
2008-03-03 12:30 < qed> NotASpy: weird. that works NotASpy
2008-03-03 12:30 < NotASpy> when you click on a link, it's trying to save the link instead of opening it, like it should do.
2008-03-03 12:31 < ggreer> qed: then switch to OS X
2008-03-03 12:31 < ggreer> :)
2008-03-03 12:31 < qed> ggreer: you aren't a smart man
2008-03-03 12:32 < qed> i have a mac, bub -- this is a PCtop
2008-03-03 12:33 < ggreer> you bought a mac desktop?
2008-03-03 12:33 < NotACow> meeo
2008-03-03 12:35 < qed> NotASpy: fair enough, but how do i get it back to the normal behavior
2008-03-03 12:35 < NotASpy> have you done the basics, closed FF down and rebooted the machine ?
2008-03-03 12:35 < qed> NotASpy: I'll try that
2008-03-03 12:36 < NotASpy> if not, get back to us.
2008-03-03 12:48 < rw> My best Camillo! We must disguise ourselves.
2008-03-03 12:48 < Sfan00> :
2008-03-03 12:48 < Sfan00> ?
2008-03-03 12:50 < Scarian> Guys I have an anatomy question...
2008-03-03 12:51 < rw> ask
2008-03-03 12:52 < Scarian> rw: Do you know when you hold something out in front of you? What's the muscle you're using?
2008-03-03 12:52 < rw> depends on what u use
2008-03-03 12:52 < rw> arm?
2008-03-03 12:52 < rw> leg
2008-03-03 12:52 < rw> fingers
2008-03-03 12:52 < rw> etc
2008-03-03 12:52 < Scarian> e.g. arm
2008-03-03 12:52 < Scarian> e.g. if you hold out a weight in front of you with your arm...
2008-03-03 12:52 < rw> quite a lot of muscles ;)
2008-03-03 12:52 < Scarian> I figured.
2008-03-03 12:52 < rw> in which directio?
2008-03-03 12:52 < rw> up? down?
2008-03-03 12:53 < Scarian> No no...
2008-03-03 12:53 < Scarian> Just held out...
2008-03-03 12:53 < Scarian> No movement.
2008-03-03 12:53 < rw> 90 degree from body
2008-03-03 12:53 < rw> ?
2008-03-03 12:53 < Sfan00> biceps?
2008-03-03 12:53 < Scarian> rw: Yes.
2008-03-03 12:53 < rw> it's not that easy, as there are very many different muscles
2008-03-03 12:53 < Scarian> Sfan00: Nope. Forearms.
2008-03-03 12:53 < Scarian> rw: Yeah, I guessed... :/
2008-03-03 12:54 < rw> genereally
2008-03-03 12:54 < rw> biceps is responsibel for the arm
2008-03-03 12:54 < rw> hm, its not that easy without a drawing
2008-03-03 12:54 < Scarian> Where are the deltoids?
2008-03-03 12:55 < Sfan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_training
2008-03-03 12:55 < rw> musst pass on that
2008-03-03 12:55 < Sfan00> rw: Shoulders ;)
2008-03-03 12:55 < Sfan00> Sorry meant that comment to Scarian
2008-03-03 12:55 < Scarian> Really?!
2008-03-03 12:55 < Scarian> Dang I thought it was forearms...
2008-03-03 12:55 < Sfan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_training_exercises#Deltoids_.28shoulders.29
2008-03-03 12:56 < Scarian> Okay, so the experiment is... you hold a disc weight out in front of you using your arms...
2008-03-03 12:56 < Scarian> for as long as possible.
2008-03-03 12:56 < Scarian> You can't hold underneath it.
2008-03-03 12:56 < Scarian> There's a hole in the middle where you can stick your fingers through over the top.
2008-03-03 12:56 < Scarian> No ones ever tried that?
2008-03-03 12:57 < rw> Scarian, do you mean following situation: you stand upright and you hold something in a 90 degree angle with your arms from your torso in front of you? or at the side?
2008-03-03 12:57 < Scarian> rw: Yes the former.
2008-03-03 12:57 < Scarian> 90 degree angle from your sides
2008-03-03 12:58 < rw> i would have to look that up too to be honest ;)
2008-03-03 12:58 < rw> sry
2008-03-03 12:58 < Scarian> No worries guys. Thanks rw and Sfan00.
2008-03-03 12:59 < Sfan00> Scarian: To be absoultely definitve you could try searching Grays Anatomy , but that's a BIT heavey reading... :)
2008-03-03 12:59 < rw> it'll be the biceps and shoulders involved but the exact names.. oh well ;)
2008-03-03 13:05 < mexicanbanana> Hello, my dear friends.
2008-03-03 13:05 < mexicanbanana> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th <-- Why is not the "th" in sup script here?
2008-03-03 13:05 < rw> mexicanbanana, hello my dear friend
2008-03-03 13:15 < mexicanbanana> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th <-- Why is not the "th" in sup script here?
2008-03-03 13:15 < mexicanbanana> I need that character.
2008-03-03 13:16 < Lady_Aleena> What do you need it for?
2008-03-03 13:16 < mexicanbanana> To type "4th".
2008-03-03 13:16 < mexicanbanana> Except properly.
2008-03-03 13:17 < mexicanbanana> With the "th" being descended.
2008-03-03 13:17 < The359> 
2008-03-03 13:18 < The359> just superscript it yourself
2008-03-03 13:20 < mexicanbanana> The359: That is HTML.
2008-03-03 13:20 < mexicanbanana> I wanna do it properly in Unicode.
2008-03-03 13:20 < Lady_Aleena> There isn't a way in unicode.
2008-03-03 13:21 < Gracenotes> superscript/subscript has to do with character styles, not characters themselves
2008-03-03 13:27 < mexicanbanana> Actually, you are wrong...
2008-03-03 13:28 < mexicanbanana> Unicode has either control characters for this or actual characters for proper "th" etc.
2008-03-03 13:28 < mexicanbanana> Possibly both.
2008-03-03 13:31 < TheWeasel> Cheers.
2008-03-03 13:32 < Lady_Aleena> I have just gone through the entire list of the character entity references in HTML (the language of the net), and that character does not exist.
2008-03-03 13:32 < Lady_Aleena> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/entities.html
2008-03-03 13:32 < TheWeasel> Which character?
2008-03-03 13:32 < kenlyric> did you really just say "the language of the net"?
2008-03-03 13:32 < Lady_Aleena> 4^th
2008-03-03 13:33 < kenlyric> somebody needs to punch your kittens for that.
2008-03-03 13:33 < Lady_Aleena> kenlyric: I didn't know how else to put it...give me a better way of putting it.
2008-03-03 13:33 < NotACow> i am not a nice person.
2008-03-03 13:34 < TheWeasel> Only in French those things are commonly put up there.
2008-03-03 13:34 < TheWeasel> 4^ème
2008-03-03 13:35 < NotACow> my blog is full of original research :)
2008-03-03 13:36 * TheWeasel finds it bizarre to be accused of "bias"
2008-03-03 13:36 < qed> blogging is so 2003
2008-03-03 13:36 < Lady_Aleena> I still don't get blogging.
2008-03-03 13:36 < TheWeasel> I've even heard complaints about Michael Moore going something like "I don't like him. He's so biased."
2008-03-03 13:37 < Lady_Aleena> Everyone has a bias on some issue.
2008-03-03 13:37 < TheWeasel> it's called "opinion"
2008-03-03 13:37 < TheWeasel> some people seem scared of that.
2008-03-03 13:37 < TheWeasel> *by
2008-03-03 13:38 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: not if you're John Rawls!
2008-03-03 13:38 < Lady_Aleena> No really? WOW! :) :)
2008-03-03 13:38 < TheWeasel> *about
2008-03-03 13:38 < TheWeasel> My POV is the NPOV!
2008-03-03 13:38 < Gracenotes> [' hypothetical objective judge]
2008-03-03 13:38 < TheWeasel> [hypothetical resonable third party]
2008-03-03 13:38 < TheWeasel> *a
2008-03-03 13:39 < TheWeasel> The only bad thing that can happen is people selling opinion as NPOV
2008-03-03 13:39 < TheWeasel> if you've finished school, you should be able to tell the difference, imho.
2008-03-03 13:39 < TheWeasel> but calling opinion itself an evil is as common as absurd
2008-03-03 13:40 < Gracenotes> John Rawls' judge knows little-to-nothing about itself. (not a him or her, for that reason). Therefore, it's perfectly just.
2008-03-03 13:40 < Lady_Aleena> I am a bit giddy right now. I had spent the better part of the morning trying to debug something I wrote in html, going over it again and again and again, without finding the error. I leave the computer for about 10 minutes, come back, and find the problem in about 30 seconds. Relief has settled upon me where there had only been frustration earlier.
2008-03-03 13:40 < Gracenotes> I've always found that theory interesting...
2008-03-03 13:41 < Lady_Aleena> I had typed an "h" instead of a "d" in the wrong place.
2008-03-03 13:41 < TheWeasel> Does that mean we need low-consciousness AI for the judicial branch?
2008-03-03 13:41 < Gracenotes> don't we already have those?</punchline>
2008-03-03 13:42 < TheWeasel> No, sadly.
2008-03-03 13:42 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-03-03 13:42 * bumm13 is confuzzled
2008-03-03 13:42 < Lady_Aleena> I wish that I had high speed internet access, but it is too expensive. I need that and a bot.
2008-03-03 13:43 * TheWeasel knows that strict literalism in law is impossible
2008-03-03 13:43 < bumm13> this Asteroids-clone game I have suddenly decides that the ship's shield should never turn off/run out of energy :x
2008-03-03 13:43 < TheWeasel> It's good to know more than the text of the law
2008-03-03 13:43 < bumm13> (and it never used to do this)
2008-03-03 13:43 < NotACow> mooooooooooooooooooo
2008-03-03 13:43 < TheWeasel> So you're invincible?
2008-03-03 13:43 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: everyone needs a plastic pal who's fun to be with!
2008-03-03 13:43 < bumm13> uh, yes :x
2008-03-03 13:44 < bumm13> but I'd rather it just work properly :P
2008-03-03 13:44 * Lady_Aleena rotflol.
2008-03-03 13:44 < Lady_Aleena> Well, maybe not rotf, but lol. :)
2008-03-03 13:44 < NotACow> bumm13: cool.
2008-03-03 13:44 < NotACow> bumm13: can i get one of those shields?
2008-03-03 13:44 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: so you are a patron of the [[Sirius Cybernetics Corporation]]?
2008-03-03 13:45 < NotACow> bumm13: it would make driving a whole lot more fun
2008-03-03 13:45 < TheWeasel> Marrrvin
2008-03-03 13:45 < Lady_Aleena> Not really, Grace.
2008-03-03 13:48 < Sfan00> Gracenotes: She needs an IRC bot...
2008-03-03 13:48 < Sfan00> as opposed to an irked bot
2008-03-03 13:48 < Gracenotes> indeed
2008-03-03 13:48 < Lady_Aleena> What would I need an IRC bot for?
2008-03-03 13:48 < Gracenotes> what sort of IRC bot, then?
2008-03-03 13:48 < NotACow> to be automatic!
2008-03-03 13:49 < Sfan00> Ah sorry ... wasn't readinf properly
2008-03-03 13:49 < Lady_Aleena> The only thing that I would like in this window would be the ability to click wikilinked items. I just don't think that Trillian is customizable like that.
2008-03-03 13:49 < TheWeasel> Wow, HHGTTG references reach a boiling point.
2008-03-03 13:50 < Sfan00> hi Weasel
2008-03-03 13:50 < TheWeasel> shalom
2008-03-03 13:50 < Sfan00> Huh?
2008-03-03 13:50 < TheWeasel> shalom.
2008-03-03 13:50 < Sfan00> I'm British :0
2008-03-03 13:50 < Sfan00> But Thank you )
2008-03-03 13:50 < TheWeasel> I say, morning then, guvner!
2008-03-03 13:51 < TheWeasel> (the first comma is [sic]).
2008-03-03 13:51 < Sfan00> :)
2008-03-03 13:51 * Lady_Aleena is looking at the daunting task of tagging 775 templates with a replacement notice, and a week later, tagging them all for deletion. Doesn't know if she has the stamina to do that all at once, but it needs to be done.
2008-03-03 13:51 < Sfan00> Lad Allena: You approved for AWB?
2008-03-03 13:51 < Sfan00> *lady Sorry
2008-03-03 13:51 < Lady_Aleena> I think so...a long time ago, but it runs slow as dirt over dial-up.
2008-03-03 13:51 < Lucifer_Cat> AWB?
2008-03-03 13:52 < Lady_Aleena> And it doesn't work with Firefox.
2008-03-03 13:52 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: why not just make a list somewhere?
2008-03-03 13:52 < Sfan00> WP:AWB
2008-03-03 13:52 < Lucifer_Cat> American World Bombing?
2008-03-03 13:52 < Gracenotes> and then ask an admin to delete it
2008-03-03 13:52 < Gracenotes> er, the items on the list, not the list
2008-03-03 13:52 < Sfan00> Lucfier_Cat: By the power of Wiki I compell thee to change thy nick ;)
2008-03-03 13:53 < Sfan00> AWB= Auto Wiki Browser
2008-03-03 13:53 < Lady_Aleena> Gracenotes: I would like to give the people with the templates a chance to change over before the whole lot of them get TfDd. And I have a list that I might be working from, it is just so long and dial-up is a killed for large batches of stuff.
2008-03-03 13:53 < TheWeasel> brausen = to take a shower in German (among many other meanings)
2008-03-03 13:53 < TheWeasel> so browse on
2008-03-03 13:54 < Lucifer_Cat> whats wrong with my nick?
2008-03-03 13:54 < Sfan00> Some people might consider it to be inapproprate
2008-03-03 13:54 < TheWeasel> No, it's fine.
2008-03-03 13:54 < Lucifer_Cat> why? <is there something im missing?>
2008-03-03 13:54 < Lady_Aleena> Sfan00: I have seen worse.
2008-03-03 13:55 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: well, just notify them yourself
2008-03-03 13:55 < TheWeasel> It's utterly harmless.
2008-03-03 13:55 < Gracenotes> TheWeasel: devil child! devil child!
2008-03-03 13:55 < TheWeasel> Me I'm not Christian. I'm a voodoo child.
2008-03-03 13:55 < Lady_Aleena> Gracenotes: The amount of people that I would have to notify individually would probably climb to the thousands.
2008-03-03 13:56 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: what are these templates?
2008-03-03 13:56 < Lady_Aleena> User templates related to schools. I created an uber template to replace them all.
2008-03-03 13:56 < Gracenotes> ah
2008-03-03 13:57 < TheWeasel> We had 775 school templates?!
2008-03-03 13:57 < Gracenotes> well, you could just run a semi-automated task to replace them all
2008-03-03 13:57 < Lady_Aleena> TheWeasel: We HAVE school templates...
2008-03-03 13:57 < TheWeasel> This South West Derbyshire school article is a stub.
2008-03-03 13:57 < Faustus_Cat> this better?
2008-03-03 13:57 < Gracenotes> heh
2008-03-03 13:57 < Gracenotes> Faustus: less people will recognize you
2008-03-03 13:57 < Gracenotes> so I think you're fine
2008-03-03 13:57 < Lady_Aleena> TheWeasel: That number came from those that are in the category. I have no clue how many are uncategorized.
2008-03-03 13:58 < TheWeasel> oh fair
2008-03-03 13:58 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: first create the uber-template (if you haven't already), comment on some noticeboards that you plan on replacing it, run a task replacing it, then nom them for TFD
2008-03-03 13:58 < Gracenotes> or you could nom them for TFD first
2008-03-03 13:59 < Lady_Aleena> That problem is the running of the task...
2008-03-03 13:59 < Faustus_Cat> well for me, Faustus, Mephistopheles and Lucifer are all from the same piece of literature
2008-03-03 13:59 < Gracenotes> but that might get some confusion by people who don't know how TFD works
2008-03-03 13:59 < Faustus_Cat> <no, not the bible *sigh*>
2008-03-03 13:59 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: which category?
2008-03-03 13:59 < Sfan00> Faustus_Cat: Yeah - better
2008-03-03 13:59 < Lady_Aleena> I have the list of templates to be marked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Templates_replaced_by_User_school
2008-03-03 13:59 < Gracenotes> (ew, "get some confusion", what sort of turn of phrase is that)
2008-03-03 14:00 < Lady_Aleena> I have a little piece of code that needs to be added to all of those templates.
2008-03-03 14:00 < Gracenotes> ah, to replace
2008-03-03 14:00 < Sonja> lol jimbo is such a douche
2008-03-03 14:00 < Gracenotes> then you plan on substituting all uses of the template, which will result in the User school template?
2008-03-03 14:01 < Lady_Aleena> Yes...
2008-03-03 14:01 < Lady_Aleena> No, not substituting...
2008-03-03 14:01 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: only problem is, it's not a pretty transclusion of User school
2008-03-03 14:02 < Gracenotes> if you plan on deleting all those templates -- that might cause divergence among uses for the same school
2008-03-03 14:02 < Lady_Aleena> Sorry...I need the users to switch TO the new template before I TfD the ones on the list. I usually like to give the users a week to change it.
2008-03-03 14:03 < Gracenotes> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Concordia_shield3.jpg
2008-03-03 14:03 < Gracenotes> hm, public domain?
2008-03-03 14:04 < TheWeasel> You have two cows.[citation needed]
2008-03-03 14:04 < Gracenotes> photo of 2D art is one thing... but of a logo...
2008-03-03 14:04 < Gracenotes> (since that image is based on a photograph of the logo, it appears)
2008-03-03 14:05 * TheWeasel doubts very much that you can release things into PD by taking pictures of them
2008-03-03 14:06 < TheWeasel> at least not when the photo-ness is explicitly unwanted
2008-03-03 14:06 < Gracenotes> well
2008-03-03 14:06 < Gracenotes> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_Ltd._v._Corel_Corporation
2008-03-03 14:06 < Gracenotes> er, no, that's not what I'm thinking of
2008-03-03 14:07 < Lady_Aleena> Gracenotes: Did you get to that image from the user template it was on?
2008-03-03 14:07 < Gracenotes> yes
2008-03-03 14:08 < Gracenotes> well, the university was founded in 1974. so I doubt it's PD by now (although I'm not exactly familiar with Canada's copyright laws)
2008-03-03 14:08 < Lady_Aleena> Let me show you, using that template, what I usually do a week prior to a TfD, or do you already know?
2008-03-03 14:08 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: sure
2008-03-03 14:08 < TheWeasel> maybe a trademark?
2008-03-03 14:09 < Gracenotes> then again, it's a merge of two rather old schools which predate protection by copyright
2008-03-03 14:09 < Gracenotes> *current protection
2008-03-03 14:10 < NotASpy> merging two public domain pieces of artwork raises all sorts of horrible copyright questions.
2008-03-03 14:10 < Gracenotes> especially if they're not PD at the time
2008-03-03 14:10 < TheWeasel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_design_rights
2008-03-03 14:10 < NotASpy> yeap.
2008-03-03 14:10 < Gracenotes> Lady_Aleena: I have to go for now, but will be back in about an hour. I'll check out the template when you're done with it
2008-03-03 14:11 < bumm13> (cool, rebooting fixed my Asteroids-clone problem)
2008-03-03 14:11 < Lady_Aleena> I am done now.
2008-03-03 14:11 < bumm13> weird
2008-03-03 14:11 < Gracenotes> okay, will check out later
2008-03-03 14:11 < Sonja> lol jimbo is such a douche
2008-03-03 14:12 < NotACow> Sonja: yes. :)
2008-03-03 14:21 * TheWeasel wants to reboot so some freak bug in First Life allows me to sit on stoves without getting burnt or something
2008-03-03 14:21 < NotACow> haha
2008-03-03 14:21 * NotACow gives TheWeasel a nomex butt.
2008-03-03 14:21 < TheWeasel> woohoo
2008-03-03 14:23 * TheWeasel reads Genesis but doesn't find a section about the Archangel Gabriel until much later
2008-03-03 14:24 < Faustus_Cat> bovine troll
2008-03-03 14:28 < TheWeasel> On wheels.
2008-03-03 14:33 < Faustus_Cat> with boosters
2008-03-03 14:39 < NotACow> moo!
2008-03-03 14:39 < NotACow> moo!
2008-03-03 14:39 < NotACow> moo!
2008-03-03 14:39 < NotACow> moo!
2008-03-03 14:39 < NotACow> beep!
2008-03-03 14:39 < NotACow> beep beep
2008-03-03 14:39 < NotACow> BEEP
2008-03-03 14:40 < NotACow> beeep
2008-03-03 14:41 < Faustus_Cat> BANG
2008-03-03 14:41 < NotACow> SNERT
2008-03-03 14:42 < ST47> no spam plx
2008-03-03 14:42 < NotACow> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
2008-03-03 14:42 * TheWeasel moves his black-squared vicar to Luton South East
2008-03-03 14:42 < TheWeasel> CHECK!
2008-03-03 14:42 < NotACow> ooh, mornington crescent
2008-03-03 14:43 * NotACow giggles
2008-03-03 14:43 < NotACow> why are there no straight roads in england?
2008-03-03 14:43 < Faroframkallaway> NotACow: I lost by one move when Outpost Gallifrey had its 2007 tournament
2008-03-03 14:44 < Faroframkallaway> something about the Romans
2008-03-03 14:44 < Faroframkallaway> in actual fact, the A1 in some parts, in particular just outside London, is ruler-straight
2008-03-03 14:45 < TheWeasel> In London, I guess it's due to more democratic rule compared to the rest of Europe.
2008-03-03 14:46 < TheWeasel> In France they just mowed down a couple of slums to make the road straight
2008-03-03 14:46 < TheWeasel> east Paris in this case
2008-03-03 14:48 < Faroframkallaway> TheWeasel: tru dat
2008-03-03 14:48 < bumm13> who needs eminent domain? :P
2008-03-03 14:49 < Faroframkallaway> London was supposed to have three or four rings of motorways (only one was built, the M25), the M23 never goes past junction 7 inwards, and the M3 nearly got shelved
2008-03-03 14:49 < Faroframkallaway> all because of the NIMBY effect
2008-03-03 14:49 < TheWeasel> over here we have bizarre motorway stubs downtown
2008-03-03 14:50 < TheWeasel> much of who completely destroy the urban scenery they run through
2008-03-03 14:51 < Aqwis> too bad it's so expensive to build roads underground =|
2008-03-03 14:51 < TheWeasel> they built the "safest tunnel in Europe" in Berlin recently
2008-03-03 14:51 < bumm13> yeah, like Boston's Big Dig :x
2008-03-03 14:51 < TheWeasel> running from northern Kreuzberg via Potsdamer Platz to the new station
2008-03-03 14:51 < TheWeasel> it's pretty nice
2008-03-03 14:52 < Faroframkallaway> TheWeasel: over in my hometown (Halifax) they've got a brilliantly done bypass
2008-03-03 14:53 < TheWeasel> pas mal
2008-03-03 14:53 < Faroframkallaway> even more so when you consider the fact that Halifax is in the Calder and Hebble valley
2008-03-03 14:53 < Faroframkallaway> s
2008-03-03 14:53 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-03-03 14:53 < TheWeasel> Yea, England is into innovative traffic solutions in a bit way
2008-03-03 14:53 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-03-03 14:53 < TheWeasel> (Swindon)
2008-03-03 14:54 * bumm13 is tired of this metallic taste in his mouth >:I
2008-03-03 14:54 < TheWeasel> Spit out the key already.
2008-03-03 14:54 < Sonja> bumm13 how cum you have metallic taste?
2008-03-03 14:54 < bumm13> "metallic"
2008-03-03 14:54 < bumm13> still shaking off some cold/flu virus thingy
2008-03-03 14:55 < Sonja> oki
2008-03-03 14:55 < bumm13> TheWeasel - :* >>> ()==''
2008-03-03 14:55 < TheWeasel> haha
2008-03-03 14:56 < TheWeasel> F
2008-03-03 14:56 < TheWeasel> H
2008-03-03 14:56 < TheWeasel> H
2008-03-03 14:56 < TheWeasel> O
2008-03-03 14:56 < TheWeasel> Meh, doesn't work
2008-03-03 14:56 < TheWeasel> Anyway, that should solve your problem
2008-03-03 14:56 < bumm13> heh, I wish
2008-03-03 14:57 * TheWeasel takes another swig of mercury
2008-03-03 14:57 < bumm13> \o/
2008-03-03 14:59 < Sonja> buy jimbo's tshirt!! http://cgi.ebay.com/Wikipedia-Jimmy-Jimbo-Wales-T-Shirt-left-at-ex-g-fs_W0QQitemZ290211080341QQihZ019QQcategoryZ2312QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
2008-03-03 15:00 < bumm13> please don't spam
2008-03-03 15:00 < bumm13> (especially *that* listing ;p )
2008-03-03 15:00 < Sonja> it's wikipedia-related news!
2008-03-03 15:00 < Sonja> i'd buy it if i could afford it
2008-03-03 15:00 < Sonja> wikipedia is such a great tool. it's too bad one its cofounders is such an idiot :(
2008-03-03 15:00 < bumm13> no, it's gossip-y circus sideshow activity
2008-03-03 15:01 < Sonja> i suppose it is.
2008-03-03 15:01 < TheWeasel> That is what is generally being engaged in here.
2008-03-03 15:01 < Sonja> he had it coming to him though
2008-03-03 15:01 < bumm13> TheWeasel: not usually in that poor of taste
2008-03-03 15:01 < bumm13> hiya morwen
2008-03-03 15:02 < morwen> wotcha
2008-03-03 15:02 < Scott5114> I do wish they could write a version of MediaWiki that didn't have to lock the db...
2008-03-03 15:02 < morwen> They could call it RaceConditionWiki
2008-03-03 15:02 * bumm13 should go to the bank sometime today
2008-03-03 15:02 < TheWeasel> I guess if you inserted the name "Mick Jagger", it would not be offensive then
2008-03-03 15:03 < Sonja> i have to mail something
2008-03-03 15:05 < TheWeasel> heh.... JBS on Kennedy ... "He has been lax in enforcing Communist Registration laws"
2008-03-03 15:05 < TheWeasel> Yea, they didn't even have to wear the Red Star in public.
2008-03-03 15:06 < NotACow> Wikipedia Founder Jimbo Wales dumps his stalker FOX News girl friend stalker Rachel Marsden on Wikipedia, but only after forcing changes to her stalker bio removing the whole stalker thing. (POV) (cite)
2008-03-03 15:07 < Faroframkallaway> NotACow: I got the Marsden article deleted once :/
2008-03-03 15:08 < NotACow> www.fark.com, fourth from the top (maybe fifth now)
2008-03-03 15:08 < NotACow> jimbeau, you are SO screwed!
2008-03-03 15:08 < NotACow> and you've made wikipedia a laughingstock, to boot
2008-03-03 15:08 < NotACow> good job, asshole
2008-03-03 15:08 < Chetblong> that pinged me
2008-03-03 15:09 < Chetblong> :P
2008-03-03 15:09 < ST47> What did?
2008-03-03 15:09 < Chetblong> asshole
2008-03-03 15:09 < ST47> Ah.
2008-03-03 15:09 < Faroframkallaway> ;p;
2008-03-03 15:09 < Faroframkallaway> *lol
2008-03-03 15:10 < Faroframkallaway> what the fucking hell
2008-03-03 15:10 < bumm13> I'm sure somebody registered that nick a long time ago
2008-03-03 15:10 < Chetblong> hehehe
2008-03-03 15:10 * bumm13 ducks
2008-03-03 15:11 < Faroframkallaway> people are trying to break WP:V by saying "but...but... Wired ran a story on it!" even though the wired story is aggregating a story which it odesn't know to be true
2008-03-03 15:11 < TheWeasel> It's perfectly NPOV
2008-03-03 15:11 < Faroframkallaway> bumm13: ya
2008-03-03 15:11 < TheWeasel> hah
2008-03-03 15:11 < Faroframkallaway> 2 years, 40 weeks ago
2008-03-03 15:11 < TheWeasel> yay for gossip on Wikipedia
2008-03-03 15:11 < Aqwis> beeeelllppeeee
2008-03-03 15:12 < bumm13> wow, only 2 10/13 years ago? ;)
2008-03-03 15:12 < Chetblong> bumm13: yep its registered
2008-03-03 15:13 < bumm13> seems like it would have been longer than that even
2008-03-03 15:13 * bumm13 NP: Deep Purple - Kentucky Woman (1969)
2008-03-03 15:16 < NotACow> Faroframkallaway: jimbo's affair is verifiable by any reasonalbe interpretation of the word. if wikipedia's verifiability rules do not allow this to be considered "verified" then those rules are defective.
2008-03-03 15:16 < Faroframkallaway> NotACow: I know, and I didn't remove it from the Marsden article
2008-03-03 15:17 < Faroframkallaway> I think they're using UNDUE
2008-03-03 15:17 < NotACow> Faroframkallaway: i don't even know what that is
2008-03-03 15:17 < Faroframkallaway> Undue weight
2008-03-03 15:17 < NotACow> Faroframkallaway: aside from being a capitalized word
2008-03-03 15:17 < NotACow> Faroframkallaway: is there a policy that says that articles about jimbo are required to be "neutral" in jimmy's favor?
2008-03-03 15:18 * TheWeasel tries hard to find a pertinent sentence in which to use "From Walsall to Warsaw, from the hammer to the slammer, from zero to Knuth's number"
2008-03-03 15:18 < bumm13> :P
2008-03-03 15:18 < Faroframkallaway> not really
2008-03-03 15:19 < TheWeasel> lex Jimmy has always existed I guess.
2008-03-03 15:19 < Faroframkallaway> I think the argument that's being used is that Jimbo's affair is peanuts compared to founding a top ten alexa site, and it's only gossip rags furthering the story
2008-03-03 15:19 < Faroframkallaway> that, and Rachel has been proven to being a stalking, lying bitch
2008-03-03 15:20 < Thehelpfulone2> any free /admins ?
2008-03-03 15:21 < TheWeasel> In any old town.
2008-03-03 15:21 < Thehelpfulone2> [[Special:Contributions/Antuan07]] and [[Special:Contributions/Antuan08]] - Sockpuppet abuse?
2008-03-03 15:22 < bumm13> :#
2008-03-03 15:23 < Thehelpfulone2> TheWeasel: is that a yes or a no to the sockpuppet?
2008-03-03 15:24 * TheWeasel isn't an admin nor does he have any experience
2008-03-03 15:24 < Thehelpfulone2> oh
2008-03-03 15:24 < Thehelpfulone2> in that case
2008-03-03 15:24 < Faroframkallaway> Thehelpfulone2: yes
2008-03-03 15:24 < Faroframkallaway> iz duck
2008-03-03 15:25 < Thehelpfulone2> !admin - please block [[Special:Contributions/Antuan07]] and [[Special:Contributions/Antuan08]] for Sockpuppet abuse
2008-03-03 15:25 < lucasbfr> !admin dont :)
2008-03-03 15:25 < lucasbfr> (I'm looking into it)
2008-03-03 15:25 < Thehelpfulone2> ok :D
2008-03-03 15:26 < MrZ-man> Thehelpfulone2: you discovered lucasbfr's socks
2008-03-03 15:26 < Thehelpfulone2> 9.9
2008-03-03 15:26 < lucasbfr> shhht!
2008-03-03 15:26 < wimt> The two accounts don't overlap as far as I can see, unless there are more.
2008-03-03 15:26 < lucasbfr> that, and Ryulong
2008-03-03 15:26 < lucasbfr> (ofc)
2008-03-03 15:26 < J_Milburn> Thehelpfulone2: Could you please direct those matters at #wikipedia-en in future; this channel is theoretically multi-lingual
2008-03-03 15:27 < Thehelpfulone2> oh yeah 9.9
2008-03-03 15:27 < MrZ-man> and most enwiki admins have given up on this one
2008-03-03 15:27 * MrZ-man is just too lazy to remove it from his auto-join list
2008-03-03 15:27 * Cyrius is still here
2008-03-03 15:28 < J_Milburn> So am I
2008-03-03 15:28 < MrZ-man> back when I was only in 3 channels...
2008-03-03 15:30 < Sonja> arg, don't click this link. it's bad http://tinyurl.com/yreykn
2008-03-03 15:31 * Chetblong wops Sonja
2008-03-03 15:31 < Sonja> i made the mistake of clicking it
2008-03-03 15:32 < Thehelpfulone2> Sonja: what is so bad about the link
2008-03-03 15:32 < DGMurdockIII> what happened to the Wikipedia chat room for improving articals
2008-03-03 15:32 < Thehelpfulone2> and 'don't click this link' is more like - I am telling you not too... but you won't be able to resist not too!
2008-03-03 15:33 * Chetblong really wops Sonja so hard she poofs for screwing with his browser
2008-03-03 15:33 < TheWeasel> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Do_NOT_click_any_links%21
2008-03-03 15:35 < Thehelpfulone2> Chetblong: what was so bad with the link?
2008-03-03 15:35 < Thehelpfulone2> tell me more!
2008-03-03 15:36 < Chetblong> made my browser jump around and it wouldn't respond to anything except Task Manager
2008-03-03 15:36 < bumm13> Sonja: please don't post links like that here :P
2008-03-03 15:36 < Sonja> i posted it as a warning NOT to click it.
2008-03-03 15:36 < Sonja> because ti happened to me
2008-03-03 15:36 < Chetblong> hahaha
2008-03-03 15:36 < Thehelpfulone2> As I said--- people will be tempted to click
2008-03-03 15:36 < bumm13> it's better just to not post the link
2008-03-03 15:36 * Chetblong wops Sonja
2008-03-03 15:36 < Sonja> ahh
2008-03-03 15:36 < TheWeasel> Are we doing a reverse psychology seminar?
2008-03-03 15:37 < Thehelpfulone2> yes - that's exactly what Sonja did :|
2008-03-03 15:38 < TheWeasel> “The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner.”
2008-03-03 15:38 < TheWeasel> Heh.
2008-03-03 15:40 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-03 15:51 < Faustus_Cat> TheWeasel: Age of Empires
2008-03-03 15:52 < TheWeasel> I once owned the Microsoft soccer game
2008-03-03 15:53 * gwern is wondering whether to redirect [[versioned]] to [[Software versioning]]. is the term 'versioned' ever used in a non-software context?
2008-03-03 15:53 < TheWeasel> It was of spectacular badness.
2008-03-03 15:54 * TheWeasel is addicted to MSFS, mind you
2008-03-03 15:56 < TheWeasel> MS Soccer is so bad that it hasn't got an article on Wikipedia
2008-03-03 15:58 < Viper550> Okay, I've got an interesting condumdrum here
2008-03-03 15:58 < Messedrocker> Microsoft Soccer?
2008-03-03 15:58 < TheWeasel> yea
2008-03-03 15:59 * Messedrocker is addited to MSDS
2008-03-03 15:59 < Viper550> It involves government insignias
2008-03-03 15:59 < TheWeasel> [[Material safety data sheet]]s?
2008-03-03 16:00 < Messedrocker> :P
2008-03-03 16:00 < Viper550> Here's a scenario; per [[WP:NFCC]], all content which does NOT meet the definition of free cultural works must be used under fair use restrictions on WP
2008-03-03 16:01 < TheWeasel> (or not at all)
2008-03-03 16:02 < Viper550> On some US government insignias, there are sometimes restrictions (like you can't modify it, can't commercially use it), EVEN THOUGH it's in the public domain
2008-03-03 16:03 < Messedrocker> Viper550, because while the image is free of copyright, it's still trademarked
2008-03-03 16:03 < Viper550> Yeah, I know
2008-03-03 16:03 < TheWeasel> that is because copyright is only one way a right to an image can be organized in.
2008-03-03 16:03 < TheWeasel> there are other bonds
2008-03-03 16:03 < Viper550> Since the English Wikipedia is hosted in the United States
2008-03-03 16:04 < Messedrocker> in Tampa, in fact
2008-03-03 16:04 < Viper550> We have to abide by their laws and regulations
2008-03-03 16:04 < TheWeasel> There are public-law restrictions on government material that doesn't follow the guidelines between private entities.
2008-03-03 16:04 < Viper550> If the TRADEMARK restrictions made it "non-free", is it still non-free? The NASA logo debate is a good example
2008-03-03 16:05 < Messedrocker> Viper550, Wikipedia is not too concerned about trademark
2008-03-03 16:05 < TheWeasel> it is subject to a special regime
2008-03-03 16:05 < Messedrocker> we gladly parade around the coca-cola logo, since its copyright is expired
2008-03-03 16:05 < TheWeasel> in the way it can be used.
2008-03-03 16:05 < Messedrocker> yet its trademark is not
2008-03-03 16:05 * Faustus_Cat puts up a sign "Beware of the Leopard"
2008-03-03 16:05 < TheWeasel> Coca-Cola wasn't a government entity last time I checked :-P
2008-03-03 16:06 < Viper550> TheWeasel: 3 words - threshold of originality
2008-03-03 16:06 < Messedrocker> though it's a trademark holder
2008-03-03 16:06 < TheWeasel> well, yea.
2008-03-03 16:06 < Daniel_Bush> Clinton suggests she'll stay in race after Tuesday
2008-03-03 16:06 < TheWeasel> oh sure, but the questions are wholly different from NASA and others.
2008-03-03 16:06 < Daniel_Bush> Says the competitive primary contest would be good for the party
2008-03-03 16:06 < Daniel_Bush> "Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton suggested Monday she'll press on with the campaign after Tuesday's crucial primaries, arguing that momentum is on her side despite 11 straight losses to rival Sen. Barack Obama."
2008-03-03 16:07 < Faustus_Cat> lol yeah i heard that on radio
2008-03-03 16:07 < Viper550> I was able to get the NASA logo (PD) which was originally tagged as a non-free logo, to be tagged with a new template saying that it IS public domain, but the restrictions made it subject to WP:NFCC
2008-03-03 16:07 < Faustus_Cat> i was like "god this woman"
2008-03-03 16:07 < TheWeasel> her Joementum is strong.
2008-03-03 16:07 < Daniel_Bush> She says she'll be looking ahead to Pennsylvania after March 4
2008-03-03 16:08 < Daniel_Bush> ...that's her next firewall...in late April.
2008-03-03 16:08 < Messedrocker> jesus
2008-03-03 16:08 < Messedrocker> how many more primaries are there
2008-03-03 16:08 < Daniel_Bush> The last one is in June
2008-03-03 16:08 < Daniel_Bush> in Puerto Rico
2008-03-03 16:08 < Messedrocker> does American Samoa have a primary?
2008-03-03 16:08 < TheWeasel> That should be a shoo-in for Hillary
2008-03-03 16:08 < Messedrocker> what about the Virgin Islands?
2008-03-03 16:08 < TheWeasel> They already did, I think
2008-03-03 16:08 < Daniel_Bush> Yes, American Samoa and the Virgin Islands had theirs already
2008-03-03 16:09 < Daniel_Bush> American Samoa on Super Tuesday and VI on Feb. 9
2008-03-03 16:09 < TheWeasel> but [[Uncyc:Nobody cares]]
2008-03-03 16:09 < Messedrocker> what about the Green Zone?
2008-03-03 16:09 < ggreer> there's no way hillary can win
2008-03-03 16:09 < Daniel_Bush> Green Zone would be in the Democrats Abroad primary
2008-03-03 16:09 < TheWeasel> Texas...
2008-03-03 16:09 < Viper550> My template did get sent to WP:TFD
2008-03-03 16:09 < Daniel_Bush> American Samoa voted for Clinton, Virgin Islands for Obama, Democrats Abroad for Obama
2008-03-03 16:09 < TheWeasel> the Dems here in Berlin were pretty active from what I saw
2008-03-03 16:10 < Daniel_Bush> Most of the international community seems to mostly back Obama, so I read, except for Brazil, which is overwhelmingly for Clinton
2008-03-03 16:11 < Daniel_Bush> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_primaries%2C_2008 Here's a nice schedule
2008-03-03 16:11 < TheWeasel> much of the non-Italian Italians were pro-Berlusconi from what I gauged
2008-03-03 16:11 < TheWeasel> in Australia, Argentina etc.
2008-03-03 16:11 < Daniel_Bush> March 8 is Wyoming
2008-03-03 16:11 < Daniel_Bush> March 11 is Mississippi
2008-03-03 16:11 < TheWeasel> heh, I don't think it matters an awful lot who Wyoming Democrats'd prefer.
2008-03-03 16:12 < Daniel_Bush> April 22 is Pennsylvania, and May 3 is Guam
2008-03-03 16:12 < Daniel_Bush> Then Indiana and North Carolina on May 6
2008-03-03 16:12 < Daniel_Bush> West Virginia on May 13, and Kentucky and Oregon on May 20
2008-03-03 16:13 < Daniel_Bush> Then Montana and South Dakota on June 3, and then Puerto Rico finally on June 7
2008-03-03 16:13 < TheWeasel> people over here take a great interest in the process but don't always quite get it
2008-03-03 16:13 < Daniel_Bush> I don't see any "firewalls" for Clinton after Pennsylvania
2008-03-03 16:14 < Daniel_Bush> Maybe Puerto Rico
2008-03-03 16:14 < TheWeasel> do the territories have full representation?
2008-03-03 16:14 < TheWeasel> Even though they don't vote in the election proper?
2008-03-03 16:15 < Daniel_Bush> Puerto Rico gives all its delegates to the person with the most votes, like some states do in the Republican primary
2008-03-03 16:15 < Daniel_Bush> so statistically, it has the most influence out of all states in the primary, disregarding the date when it takes place
2008-03-03 16:16 < Daniel_Bush> I mean subnational entities
2008-03-03 16:16 < TheWeasel> that sounds good for Hillary, even though I'm not sure how non-mainland Hispanics feel about the Clintons
2008-03-03 16:16 < TheWeasel> brb
2008-03-03 16:18 < ancjr> haha http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290211080341
2008-03-03 16:21 < Sonja> ancjr haha jimbo is such a douche
2008-03-03 16:22 < ancjr> yeah, he should have conceeded to her demands indefinately so that he could avoid such public embarrasment
2008-03-03 16:23 < Daniel_Bush> The Associated Press has an editorial out that they're calling a news article accusing Democrats of only going after Joshua Bolten and Harriet Miers for not obeying subpoenas because they want to use it as a proxy for Bush impeachment
2008-03-03 16:24 < bumm13> why would that be the case when Bush only has about 10 months left in office?
2008-03-03 16:24 < Messedrocker> to give him a scar, i suppose
2008-03-03 16:25 < ancjr> being out for blood isn't going to get the economy rolling again
2008-03-03 16:25 < Daniel_Bush> They think anything the Democrats do against any White House officials they think are breaking the law is a case of vying for liberal extremist support and a political game instead of checking and balancing
2008-03-03 16:25 < ancjr> politics brings out the worst in people
2008-03-03 16:25 < Daniel_Bush> They went to a Republican Congressman they called a Democrat in the article to exemplify how "even Democrats" think this to be so, and said he sounded "downright like a Republican" in his quote
2008-03-03 16:26 < scorchsaber> Daniel_Bush: HAH
2008-03-03 16:26 < ancjr> "It's us versus them!"
2008-03-03 16:27 < Daniel_Bush> They refused to obey a subpoena. Supreme Court rulings say Congress can use contempt of Congress to get them to obey. This entails the penalty of a month to a year in jail and a $100 to $1,000 fine.
2008-03-03 16:28 < Daniel_Bush> It's not about being out for blood, it's about not being thwarted by the Bush administration by not having any officials obey subpoenas whenever their testimony is required in an investigation