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2008-03-02 22:49 < noclip> google's stance on privacy irritates me a lot more than their results
2008-03-02 22:49 < Messedrocker> over nine thousand billion
2008-03-02 22:50 < Messedrocker> (note: made-up number)
2008-03-02 22:50 < noclip> i would move to yahoo in a heartbeat, if only they'd cut the crap
2008-03-02 22:50 < noclip> no ajax, no gradients, no menus, no auto-suggest
2008-03-02 22:50 < noclip> and no portals
2008-03-02 22:50 < Messedrocker> noclip, i saw a graphic once
2008-03-02 22:50 < Messedrocker> google's design used to be obnoxious, then it got cleaner
2008-03-02 22:50 < Messedrocker> yahoo's design used to be clean, then it got obnoxious
2008-03-02 22:50 < noclip> the original google logo was hideous
2008-03-02 22:51 < noclip> google is getting sorta obnoxious too
2008-03-02 22:51 < noclip> slowly
2008-03-02 22:52 < kgoetz> i havent seen the old logo (that i remember)
2008-03-02 22:52 < noclip> they moved the perfectly good search type links to the top
2008-03-02 22:52 < noclip> to attract attention to the igoogle and sign in links
2008-03-02 22:53 < kgoetz> fscking igoogle crap irritates the hell otu of me
2008-03-02 22:55 < Golbez> ooh
2008-03-02 22:55 < Golbez> sheets of nanotubes
2008-03-02 22:55 < noclip> and the google account sign in link on the search page is just evil
2008-03-02 22:55 < Golbez> space elevator here we come?
2008-03-02 22:55 < noclip> the company that's building it already made a 1-mile altitude cable
2008-03-02 22:55 < noclip> even before these sheets
2008-03-02 22:55 < Golbez> one mile is simple
2008-03-02 22:56 < noclip> and the sheets aren't nearly as strong as nanotubes can be
2008-03-02 22:56 < Golbez> we need ~44,000 more of those
2008-03-02 22:56 < noclip> they're arranged almost arbitrarily
2008-03-02 22:56 < Golbez> they know
2008-03-02 22:56 < Golbez> " If Nanocomp takes further steps to align the nanotubes, the strength jumps to 1,200 megapascals."
2008-03-02 22:56 < Daniel_Bush> I aimed my telescope at Saturn tonight
2008-03-02 22:57 < Daniel_Bush> I saw the hole in Saturn's rings
2008-03-02 22:57 < Daniel_Bush> Before it looked like bars at a 45 degree angle to the orb's equator
2008-03-02 22:57 < Messedrocker> wouldn't a space elevator cast a shadow over the world?
2008-03-02 22:58 < noclip> no
2008-03-02 22:58 < Daniel_Bush> I also saw Titan, even though it looked like a white pixel against a grey MS paint background
2008-03-02 22:58 < Messedrocker> why not?
2008-03-02 22:58 < noclip> the light is diffused
2008-03-02 22:59 < noclip> and it would probably be built at sea anyway
2008-03-02 23:00 < noclip> not to beat a dead horse, but the thing that really pushed me over the line with google was the persistent sign in
2008-03-02 23:01 < noclip> they actually have the balls to justify tracking all your searches when logged in by giving you an interface to see what you searched for
2008-03-02 23:01 < Mike_H> bumm13: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kc-uhbAhnfI
2008-03-02 23:01 < Stormscape> noclip: if you don't like it don't use search engines
2008-03-02 23:01 < noclip> you do like it?
2008-03-02 23:02 < Stormscape> It doesn't matter to me
2008-03-02 23:02 < Sanchom> I use the google history
2008-03-02 23:02 < Stormscape> You can't really expect the Internet to be private, can you?
2008-03-02 23:02 < noclip> you can certainly expect a search engine to be
2008-03-02 23:02 < Sanchom> there are a few computers that I use often, and it's good to be able to quickly check for "that web page that I found yesterday, but forget what it's address was"
2008-03-02 23:03 < noclip> sanchom: does your browser not have a searchable history?
2008-03-02 23:03 < Golbez> i'm convinced we'll have a space elevator built during my lifetime
2008-03-02 23:03 < Sanchom> yeah, but I switch between computers
2008-03-02 23:03 < Sanchom> so i want a non-local history
2008-03-02 23:03 < Golbez> to respond to messedrocker even though he left, the cable would be extremely thin, and the shadow invisible more than a few miles away.
2008-03-02 23:04 < noclip> golbez: 2018 if everything goes according to plan with that company with the mile high cable
2008-03-02 23:04 < Golbez> Which is why they need carbon nanotubes, to make a thin enough cable.
2008-03-02 23:04 < Sanchom> i just saw a star trek voyager episode that included a space elevator
2008-03-02 23:04 < Sanchom> used magnets or something
2008-03-02 23:05 < The359> The new President of Russia looks like Average Joe Dad
2008-03-02 23:05 < Golbez> maglev, yeah
2008-03-02 23:05 < Golbez> there's several possibilites for a real space elevator's propulsion
2008-03-02 23:05 < Sanchom> hehe.. yeah, looking at the WIkipedia article on him... at first glance, it looks like vandalism of his picture
2008-03-02 23:06 < Sanchom> let's just put random guy instead of Medvedev
2008-03-02 23:07 < Golbez> personally I think I prefer the crawler method
2008-03-02 23:07 < Golbez> where the elevator carriage climbs the cable/ribbon with a little crawler
2008-03-02 23:07 < Stormscape> The359: He looks like a soccer coach or something
2008-03-02 23:07 < Stormscape> he looks so... plain.
2008-03-02 23:07 < Stormscape> so unassuming
2008-03-02 23:08 < Stormscape> like some guy your dad hangs out with, and goes to the bar with
2008-03-02 23:08 < Stormscape> omg he's shorter than my boss is
2008-03-02 23:08 < Stormscape> he's 5'4"
2008-03-02 23:08 < Stormscape> half inch shorter
2008-03-02 23:09 < Stormscape> omg he believes in making Internet Slang actual official languages
2008-03-02 23:09 < Sanchom> he has a pet fish, likes to watch soccer, and read
2008-03-02 23:09 < Stormscape> he's automatically a cool guy now
2008-03-02 23:10 < Stormscape> hahaha wtf @ Russian Internet memes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_does_one_patch_KDE2_under_FreeBSD%3F
2008-03-02 23:14 < Sanchom> so random lol
2008-03-02 23:14 < Daniel_Bush> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tester Does this look like a U.S. senator to you
2008-03-02 23:15 < Daniel_Bush> He lost 3 fingers while working with a meat grinder and held his hand up in a campaign commercial
2008-03-02 23:15 < nok_cat> yes.
2008-03-02 23:15 < Daniel_Bush> He was wearing plaid and overalls
2008-03-02 23:15 < nok_cat> he looks like a senator to me
2008-03-02 23:15 < Daniel_Bush> Well, he's in a suit now
2008-03-02 23:16 < Daniel_Bush> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conrad_Burns Compare. This guy looks like the annoying guy from accounting or human resources
2008-03-02 23:18 < Monobi> For the love of (g|G)o(d|dess)(s|es) someone troll #wikipedia-en... -en ops never get in action (some in more ways than one ;) )
2008-03-02 23:20 < Gambit> O_O
2008-03-02 23:22 * FastLizard4|away yells abuse of ops
2008-03-02 23:22 * Gambit agrees
2008-03-02 23:22 < Crimedog> you mean r0wg admin?
2008-03-02 23:22 < Gambit> yes Ron :P
2008-03-02 23:23 < Crimedog> Don't hear me called "Ron" on IRC much :)
2008-03-02 23:23 < nok_cat> damn those rouge admins.
2008-03-02 23:24 < nok_cat> they're sticking their lipstick all over the place like they own everything
2008-03-02 23:25 < Gambit> ;)
2008-03-02 23:26 * brown_cat slaps Chetblong silly >:D
2008-03-02 23:26 < noclip> i hate it when you see a movie trailer that you know is a lot better than the movie will be
2008-03-02 23:26 < noclip> case in point: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/getsmart/trailer2/large.html
2008-03-02 23:26 < Chetblong> brown_cat: heeheh
2008-03-02 23:27 < Crimedog> Kind of like fast food burgers that look better in the ads
2008-03-02 23:27 * Chetblong gives brown_cat some meow mix
2008-03-02 23:27 * brown_cat kicks the shit out of Chetblong
2008-03-02 23:28 < Daniel_Bush> Monobi, my trolling wasn't welcome
2008-03-02 23:28 < Gracenotes> noclip: clearly some parodies in there
2008-03-02 23:29 < Gracenotes> of the general conspiracy theorist big gov't intelligence movie
2008-03-02 23:29 < noclip> yeah
2008-03-02 23:30 < NotACow> beep
2008-03-02 23:30 < noclip> you can tell that the movie won't be funny
2008-03-02 23:30 < NotACow> beep
2008-03-02 23:30 < NotACow> beep
2008-03-02 23:30 < NotACow> beep
2008-03-02 23:30 < noclip> but the trailer is pretty amusing
2008-03-02 23:30 < NotACow> !op beep flooding on channel 2
2008-03-02 23:30 < Gambit> O_O
2008-03-02 23:30 * NotACow giggles
2008-03-02 23:30 < Gambit> thats channel 1 :P
2008-03-02 23:30 < NotACow> actually channel 3, but whatever :)
2008-03-02 23:30 < Gracenotes> noclip: probably has all of the good parodies all in the trailer :)
2008-03-02 23:31 < Daniel_Bush> I said, "I just wanted to point out an error in the global warming article. It doesn't give enough credence to the theory that anthropomorphic global warming merely appears that way and the Earth was intelligently designed to become this way through a designer customizing it. It has very strong proponents in the scientific journalism community, like Sean Hannity, who says if global warming...
2008-03-02 23:31 < Daniel_Bush> ...were real, that would definitely be the reason. Scientists for the Exxon Mobil Research Group for American Studied has released this graph that seals the deal. It's pretty damning."
2008-03-02 23:32 < Daniel_Bush> Then I talked about Linus Torvalds selling the copyright on Unix to Apple Computers
2008-03-02 23:32 < Daniel_Bush> Was that sufficient for you?
2008-03-02 23:32 < nok_cat> you should have discussed the Jimbo Wales sex scandal
2008-03-02 23:32 < nok_cat> maybe added in some wheels on the way.
2008-03-02 23:32 < Daniel_Bush> Oh, right, that
2008-03-02 23:33 < Daniel_Bush> I'll do it when it's been long enough for them to have forgotten my last trolling attempt
2008-03-02 23:33 < NotACow> wikipedia needs more trolls.
2008-03-02 23:33 < nok_cat> or how about you join with a new nick and troll some more
2008-03-02 23:33 < NotACow> trolls are the only people in wikipedia who can actually get anything done
2008-03-02 23:34 < Stormscape> Yup.
2008-03-02 23:34 < Stormscape> Wikipedia has gotten too bureaucratic.
2008-03-02 23:34 < Stumpy> Already taken? I'll try another
2008-03-02 23:34 < nok_cat> I'm sure there are people in #wikipedia that are also in #wikipedia-en
2008-03-02 23:34 < nok_cat> don't just nickchange
2008-03-02 23:34 < nok_cat> join with a different nick
2008-03-02 23:35 < The359> heh
2008-03-02 23:35 * The359 needs moar Cone of Silence
2008-03-02 23:35 < gwern> The359: you need moar cone of anti-selfchewing
2008-03-02 23:36 < jtizzle1854> hey can y'all try to answer this question i think its a good question anyone seen any of the Saw movies if you have when jigsaw puts people in traps and he gives them a tool to get out if they don't get out would jigsaw be guility of murder or not? he did give the people a tool to get out but he also did put the people in traps would it fall under the definition of murder?
2008-03-02 23:36 < The359> not if you use the word y'all again
2008-03-02 23:36 < jtizzle1854> i think it might be technicalities
2008-03-02 23:36 < gwern> reckless endagerment at the least
2008-03-02 23:37 < noclip> Stormscape: you need a file a form AS405-882 with the beuracracy commitee to register your complaint
2008-03-02 23:37 < The359> That's why we have attempted murder laws
2008-03-02 23:37 < Stormscape> Do I file it with my local high ranked buereaucraft or with Hermes?
2008-03-02 23:37 < Luna-San> Both and more.
2008-03-02 23:38 < jtizzle1854> but would it be attempted murder?
2008-03-02 23:38 < gwern> well, it'd be malice aforethought, surely; it would ne unjustified
2008-03-02 23:38 < gwern> 'Murder shall be taken to have been committed where the act of the accused, or thing by him or her omitted to be done, causing the death charged, was done or omitted with reckless indifference to human life, or with intent to kill or inflict grievous bodily harm upon some person, or done in an attempt to commit, or during or immediately after the commission, by the accused, or some accomplice with him or her, of a crime...'
2008-03-02 23:38 < jtizzle1854> he didn't kill the person directly the trap did and he gave them information on how to get out?
2008-03-02 23:38 < gwern> 'act of the accused, or thing by him or her omitted to be done' <-- that would seem to cover creating death traps and not extricating folks from them
2008-03-02 23:38 < jtizzle1854> the trap killed them
2008-03-02 23:39 < jtizzle1854> he didn't
2008-03-02 23:39 < gwern> fine then. he omitted to rescue them from it
2008-03-02 23:39 < noclip> people don't kill people, bullets do?
2008-03-02 23:39 < gwern> and creating the trap is surely 'the act of the accused'
2008-03-02 23:39 < noclip> that's pretty much your argument
2008-03-02 23:39 < jtizzle1854> ok so i'm wrong
2008-03-02 23:40 < jtizzle1854> it would be murder if those people got killed by jigsaw's trap?
2008-03-02 23:40 < gwern> jtizzle1854: probably, it would be too convenient if you could escape a murder rap just by making the murder weapon a rube golderbian contraption
2008-03-02 23:40 < noclip> are you planning on replicating the movies or something?
2008-03-02 23:40 < jtizzle1854> even though he gives them advice on how to get free of the traps he did put the people in the traps
2008-03-02 23:40 < noclip> again, that's kinda like saying
2008-03-02 23:41 < jtizzle1854> maybe that's why he would be guilty of murder cause he put the people in the traps to start with and the traps killed them?
2008-03-02 23:41 < noclip> "i'm going to shoot you, but if you want to survive you should dodge the bullet"
2008-03-02 23:41 < gwern> noclip: we'd better call the police. jtizzle1854 is clearly trying to make sure his ass is covered when he finishes digging his underground palace of death
2008-03-02 23:41 < Golbez> jtizzle1854
2008-03-02 23:41 < Golbez> it would be felony murder at the very least
2008-03-02 23:42 < Golbez> because they died due to commission of a felony (kidnapping) by him
2008-03-02 23:42 < jtizzle1854> even if he didn't directly kill the person
2008-03-02 23:42 < Golbez> yes
2008-03-02 23:42 < Golbez> felony murder allows for that
2008-03-02 23:42 < Golbez> for example, if i commit armed robbery at a store (a felony) and someone runs away from the store in a panic, is hit by a car, and dies
2008-03-02 23:42 < Golbez> i have committed felony murder.
2008-03-02 23:42 < gwern> ah, good point. I hadn't consiudered the kidnapping part
2008-03-02 23:42 < jtizzle1854> my arguement is that the trap killed them he also told them how to get out they had to make a choice he gave them a choice
2008-03-02 23:42 < noclip> jtizzle1854: in case you want to know how to make a bomb too, take some NO2 and pour it into water, then react that with four times the quantity of methanamine
2008-03-02 23:43 < Golbez> jtizzle1854- at the very least, he has definitely committed felony murder
2008-03-02 23:43 < jtizzle1854> don't really care
2008-03-02 23:43 < Golbez> whether or not he has committed greater crimes, i don't know
2008-03-02 23:43 < Golbez> but he isn't getting away from the felony murder situation
2008-03-02 23:43 < jtizzle1854> what's murder and what's felony murder?
2008-03-02 23:43 < Golbez> i told you
2008-03-02 23:43 < jtizzle1854> murder's a felony anyway?
2008-03-02 23:43 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-03-02 23:43 < jtizzle1854> i'll scroll up
2008-03-02 23:43 < Golbez> felony murder = any death that happens in the course of you performing a felony, *even if you didn't kill them*
2008-03-02 23:43 < gwern> murder has degrees, y'know
2008-03-02 23:44 < noclip> jtizzle1854 is either a) a serial murderer, or b) the writer of the next saw movie
2008-03-02 23:44 < noclip> i can't decide which one is scarier
2008-03-02 23:44 < gwern> 1st dg, 2nd dg, etc. depending on jurisdiction obviously
2008-03-02 23:44 < Golbez> if i kidnap you, and while driving away the car we're in gets hit by a drunk driver and you are killed, i am guilty of felony murder - you wouldn't have been killed had i not committed the crime of kidnapping
2008-03-02 23:44 < Golbez> even if i didn't kill you, i'm still guilty of causing your death
2008-03-02 23:45 < Daniel_Bush> NotACow, I tried, and it didn't end well
2008-03-02 23:45 < Golbez> felony murder is often treated as a first degree murder, and therefore a capital crime - you don't need to be convicted of anything else
2008-03-02 23:45 < Golbez> see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule
2008-03-02 23:45 < jtizzle1854> i didn't know that if a person didn't kill someone he would be guilty of causing his death wouldn't that be manslaughter?
2008-03-02 23:45 < noclip> why exactly is jtizzle1854 so interested in this?
2008-03-02 23:45 < Luna-San> Good question.
2008-03-02 23:45 < gwern> no, manslaughter is generally for unintentional cases
2008-03-02 23:46 < gwern> ie, someone's in a dumpster, you put it into a dumptruck and compact it - manslaughter. not murder, there was no malice aforethought, etc
2008-03-02 23:46 < Golbez> jtizzle1854- no, because the person in this case intentionally committed the crime that, while indirect, led to someone else's death. the felony murder rule was devised to get around the very problems you're presenting.
2008-03-02 23:46 < Golbez> gwern- however, the person who put them in the dumpster is now a murderer
2008-03-02 23:46 < Golbez> via the felony murder rule
2008-03-02 23:46 < Daniel_Bush> Is Hitler the best place to troll on the wiki
2008-03-02 23:47 < gwern> Golbez: only bums sleep in dumpsters; he was there to get out of the cold
2008-03-02 23:47 < Golbez> lol
2008-03-02 23:47 < Daniel_Bush> Just delete "Hitler's bid for territorial conquest and racial subjugation had caused the deaths of tens of millions of people, including the genocide of an estimated six million Jews in what is known as the Holocaust." and say "not notable" or has that been done too many times
2008-03-02 23:47 < Golbez> Daniel_Bush- too many times
2008-03-02 23:47 < noclip> Daniel_Bush: either that or [[George W. Bush]]
2008-03-02 23:47 < jtizzle1854> no i'm not planning on replicating the movies noclip i'm just inqusitive
2008-03-02 23:47 < gwern> Daniel_Bush: might as well go to [{Earth]] and mention how it is mostly harmless
2008-03-02 23:47 < Golbez> jtizzle1854- the answer is then, jigsaw is liable for the deaths of his projects, and likely would be convicted of first degree murder
2008-03-02 23:48 < Daniel_Bush> Okay, how about this
2008-03-02 23:48 < noclip> you know, i haven't seen the saw movies, and have no desire to
2008-03-02 23:49 < noclip> but coming in here and asking for advice on the legal consequences of replicating them
2008-03-02 23:49 < gwern> I dunno. they may have the samne interest detective stories do, in displaying the ingenuity of their authors
2008-03-02 23:49 < noclip> that sets off some alarms
2008-03-02 23:49 < gwern> if you think about it, there's a lot of scope in the apparently restricted genre of 'death traps' - you could re-encode entire morality tales or Lord of the Flies stories as a series of death traps
2008-03-02 23:50 < gwern> the seven deadly sins would provide fodder for some nice death traps
2008-03-02 23:50 < Golbez> noclip- i may question whether or not online pedophiles are guilty of a crime when chris hansen confronts them
2008-03-02 23:50 < Golbez> but that doesn't mean i intend to test the hypothesis personally =p
2008-03-02 23:50 < ethereality> should i be here or at #wikipedia-en? what's the difference?
2008-03-02 23:50 < Daniel_Bush> I'd remove "He later moderated his position on race, but continued to defend his early segregationist campaigns on the basis of states' rights" from [[Strom Thurmond]] and write in the edit summary "This sentence doesn't agree with the overall tone of the rest of the lead-in paragraphs and is a triviality in comparison to other things that could be mentioned about his record like being...
2008-03-02 23:50 < Daniel_Bush> ...President Pro Tempore of the Senate. It's biased in favor of the liberal movement trying to up play this political theatre in order to advance the 'all white country club GOP' notion going into the 2008 election."
2008-03-02 23:50 < Golbez> but since i brought up the topic: there's no children involved, so how can they be endangering the welfare of a child?
2008-03-02 23:50 < noclip> you know, i like horror movies, but this saw nonsense isn't horror
2008-03-02 23:51 < noclip> it's copy-and-pasted fake intensity
2008-03-02 23:51 < gwern> gluttony could be dying under a avalance of food, or shit; anger could be fighting a clone of yourself; desire could be a hot woman with a vagina dentata, etc
2008-03-02 23:51 < gwern> Daniel_Bush: brilliant
2008-03-02 23:51 < noclip> something like 1408 or the mist, those are scary
2008-03-02 23:51 < Golbez> i rather like the saw movies (i've only seen 1-3), but they excel through their use of the twist, which somehow they've managed to keep up better than Shyamalan
2008-03-02 23:51 < bd_> what's the template twinkle sticks on the end of warnings on shared IPs, with the "if this is not referring to you, make an account" or something along those lines?
2008-03-02 23:51 < Golbez> On the other hand, the Hostel films are total shite.
2008-03-02 23:51 < bd_> I don't see it on the user talk namespace list
2008-03-02 23:52 < Daniel_Bush> On the other hand, gwern, I could just blank the page and write "Death to grapefruit"
2008-03-02 23:53 < gwern> I stayed in a hostel once. they infected all my stuff with bed bugs, and the army had to disinfect the entire load
2008-03-02 23:53 < noclip> Daniel_Bush: but then you'd be arrested and hauled off to gitmo
2008-03-02 23:53 < gwern> it wasn't a *bad* hostel. except for the insect infestation
2008-03-02 23:53 < Daniel_Bush> ohnoes wikipolice
2008-03-02 23:53 * bd_ mehs and copypastes
2008-03-02 23:53 < Daniel_Bush> They'll hold be in a detention center and beat me over the head with double bracket [[]]'s
2008-03-02 23:54 < noclip> if you *really* want to troll
2008-03-02 23:54 < jtizzle1854> no clip i'm not the writer of the next saw movie or a serial murderer just an inqusitive nerd
2008-03-02 23:55 < noclip> on the [[George W. Bush]] page, #REDIRECT[[Hitler]]
2008-03-02 23:55 < Gambit> nah hitler's dead :P
2008-03-02 23:55 < noclip> lies!
2008-03-02 23:55 < noclip> he's alive and living in antarctica
2008-03-02 23:56 < Golbez> He would be really old.
2008-03-02 23:56 < Gambit> hats stalin 9_9
2008-03-02 23:56 < jtizzle1854> he'd be pretty old!!
2008-03-02 23:56 < Gambit> thats*
2008-03-02 23:56 < Golbez> So would he.
2008-03-02 23:56 < jtizzle1854> what yr was he born in?
2008-03-02 23:56 < jtizzle1854> hitler
2008-03-02 23:56 < jtizzle1854> 1880?
2008-03-02 23:56 < noclip> you could redirect [[Redirect]] to itself
2008-03-02 23:57 < Golbez> 1889.
2008-03-02 23:57 < Golbez> Stalin was born in 1878.
2008-03-02 23:57 < Mike_H> hahaha
2008-03-02 23:57 < Mike_H> I love the name of Solid Gold's old choreographer
2008-03-02 23:57 < Mike_H> "Anita Mann"
2008-03-02 23:57 < Mike_H> don't we all, honey
2008-03-02 23:57 < jtizzle1854> ok
2008-03-02 23:58 * gwern sips a hitler. an 1889 vintage; a finely evil year
2008-03-03 00:00 < noclip> wow
2008-03-03 00:00 < noclip> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_W._Bush&action=history
2008-03-03 00:00 < noclip> vandalism has gone unreverted for 25 minutes
2008-03-03 00:01 < noclip> looks like the NSA is gone
2008-03-03 00:01 < bd_> jeez. someone did a goatse with html colors in [[Uncle Vanya]]. Thought that was the entire content of the page when I was looking at the diff... (hence the incorrect CSD)
2008-03-03 00:02 < noclip> wow
2008-03-03 00:02 < noclip> that has to take some effort
2008-03-03 00:02 < bd_> under two usernames too
2008-03-03 00:02 < bd_> one to place it, another to tweak it with 'fixing vandalism' edit summaries
2008-03-03 00:03 * bd_ pulls out uw-vandalism4im
2008-03-03 00:05 < gwern> are there people so ignorant they wouldn't immediately suspect something was up and that Uncle Vanya should be retained even if it appears to be vandalism?
2008-03-03 00:05 < Gracenotes> heh, new xkcd
2008-03-03 00:05 * Gracenotes lols
2008-03-03 00:05 < Gambit> linky? :D
2008-03-03 00:06 < gwern> xkcd.com
2008-03-03 00:06 < Gracenotes> not too complicated today... still lol-worthy, I Think
2008-03-03 00:06 < gwern> ...actually, it has a point. I wasn't think of the game at all when I visited it; thus presumably I won
2008-03-03 00:07 < bd_> gwern: hm? no, I mean, I saw the html table filling the entire screen, assumed it was a newly created page, then hit twinkle/csd. :| Once I realized it I did the proper revert though.
2008-03-03 00:07 < gwern> no no, it's an elegant observation
2008-03-03 00:07 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-03 00:07 < NotACow> moo moo
2008-03-03 00:07 < NotACow> moo moo moo
2008-03-03 00:07 < NotACow> (moo )+
2008-03-03 00:07 < Gracenotes> is the game notable by now?
2008-03-03 00:07 * Gracenotes checks
2008-03-03 00:07 < Gambit> gwern, i meant the exact cartoon :P
2008-03-03 00:07 < Gracenotes> apparently not
2008-03-03 00:07 < gwern> doubt it. always struck me as a fad
2008-03-03 00:07 < Gracenotes> http://xkcd.com
2008-03-03 00:07 < Gracenotes> that's the cartoon
2008-03-03 00:07 < gwern> Gambit: yoy want the permament link? why
2008-03-03 00:07 < Gracenotes> :<
2008-03-03 00:08 < bd_> http://xkcd.com/391/ <-- permalink
2008-03-03 00:08 < Daniel_Bush_> Maybe I could put this on the Buddhism talk page
2008-03-03 00:08 < nok_cat> I lost the game
2008-03-03 00:08 < bd_> Daniel_Bush_: attribution-noncommercial is incompatible with the GFDL
2008-03-03 00:08 < Gambit> :D
2008-03-03 00:09 < Daniel_Bush_> Fact: Meditation results in Osteonirvanasclerosis and leads to the thinning of calcium in the muscle tissue and bones
2008-03-03 00:09 < Daniel_Bush_> No, I was thinking about trolling
2008-03-03 00:09 < Daniel_Bush_> not winning or losing the game
2008-03-03 00:09 < Daniel_Bush_> No, now I'm not even trying
2008-03-03 00:09 < Daniel_Bush_> I wish I had a banana
2008-03-03 00:09 < gwern> Daniel_Bush_: doesn't seem very trolling to me. meditation takes time away from physical exertion, which would seem to encourage less calcum deposition
2008-03-03 00:10 < Daniel_Bush_> Just because it's true doesn't mean it isn't trolling
2008-03-03 00:10 < Daniel_Bush_> I assumed that the Buddha adherents wouldn't like it pointed out
2008-03-03 00:10 < gwern> nok_cat: take comfort - billions of chinese have been winning the game their entire lives. they make up for your puling failure
2008-03-03 00:10 < Daniel_Bush_> or would go "do you have a source"
2008-03-03 00:10 * FastLizard4|Food drops a banana on Daniel_Bushfrom 10,000 feet
2008-03-03 00:11 < Daniel_Bush_> Ow a banana at maximum velocity just slightly damaged my head
2008-03-03 00:11 < gwern> no no, it's useful to point out because I'm sure the meditation pages are unbalanced in the direction of its health benefits
2008-03-03 00:12 < NotACow> moo
2008-03-03 00:12 < Daniel_Bush_> "There is anecdotal evidence that meditation can cause some people to experience psychotic episodes, particularly in those with a history of mental illness, or those who submit themselves to long meditation retreats without prior meditation experience."
2008-03-03 00:13 < NotACow> gwern: i love wikipedia's ability to bullshit sometimes.
2008-03-03 00:13 < NotACow> Daniel_Bush_: what about mediation?
2008-03-03 00:13 < gwern> Daniel_Bush_: no doubt in the same way sensory deprivation tanks can do that sort of thing
2008-03-03 00:13 < Daniel_Bush_> When I close my eyes and center myself in deep thought, I see a pattern of intersecting horizontal and vertical red lines overlain by a green grimacing skull
2008-03-03 00:13 < gwern> NotACow: it is a peculiarly WP genre
2008-03-03 00:13 < NotACow> Daniel_Bush_: deep thought is a chess program.
2008-03-03 00:13 < NotACow> gwern: not really. you see the same nonsense in business writing sometimes
2008-03-03 00:14 < gwern> it will be interesting reading for future generations; no doubt parodies of it will emerge just as for american business jargon
2008-03-03 00:14 < Daniel_Bush_> I know, NotACow. We are One now.
2008-03-03 00:14 < gwern> NotACow: sure, and dilbert commands the devotion and amusment of many
2008-03-03 00:15 < Daniel_Bush_> http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2008916820221.gif Dilbert is the only newspaper comic strip that still makes me laugh aloud,
2008-03-03 00:15 < Daniel_Bush_> or lal.
2008-03-03 00:16 * r00m_c does not think dilbert is funny.
2008-03-03 00:26 < Daniel_Bush_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series_episodes has links to websites containing information about unaired episodes proposed by writers before the cancellation
2008-03-03 00:35 * quanticle thinks Dilbert is true
2008-03-03 01:30 < Lubaf> Have you murdered a channel regular today?
2008-03-03 01:30 < tawker> Lubaf: bleh
2008-03-03 01:30 < tawker> quanticle|away: dilbert IS true
2008-03-03 01:31 < Lubaf> I'll take that as a "No".
2008-03-03 01:31 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-03-03 01:31 < Lubaf> What's old?
2008-03-03 01:46 < Lubaf> Ping?
2008-03-03 01:47 < FastLizard4|busy> Lubaf has encountered a problem and needs to close. We're sorry for the inconvenience. Please tell Microsoft about this problem.
2008-03-03 01:47 * scorchsaber starts choking Lubaf
2008-03-03 01:47 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-03-03 01:48 < scorchsaber> Since I'm doing a "proper" choke, you should probably be dead in a minute or so
2008-03-03 01:48 < scorchsaber> Does that fulfill the requirement of murdering a channel regular, or are you not regular enough?
2008-03-03 01:48 < FastLizard4|busy> scorchsaber has encountered a problem and needs to close. We're sorry for the inconvenience. Please tell Microsoft about this problem.
2008-03-03 01:48 < Lubaf> scorchsaber: That's as may be, but you're choking LizardSock, not me.
2008-03-03 01:48 < scorchsaber> FastLizard4|busy: On Linux?
2008-03-03 01:48 < Lubaf> scorchsaber: Wine, presumably.
2008-03-03 01:49 < scorchsaber> Lubaf: How does that work?
2008-03-03 01:49 < scorchsaber> Lubaf: Wine's not running. D:
2008-03-03 01:49 < scorchsaber> And not made by MS, either
2008-03-03 01:49 * LizardSock nukes scorchsaber
2008-03-03 01:49 < Lubaf> scorchsaber: Alright, VMWare, than.
2008-03-03 01:49 < scorchsaber> oshi-
2008-03-03 01:49 < scorchsaber> Lubaf: not installed. :P
2008-03-03 01:49 < Lubaf> Anyway.
2008-03-03 01:49 < Lubaf> Anybody here tried Firefox 3.0?
2008-03-03 01:50 * Lubaf wants to (he used it for a week while visiting), but isn't sure about its stability.
2008-03-03 01:50 < FastLizard4|busy> It isn't very stable, don't use it for regular browsing yet
2008-03-03 01:53 < Undeference> i've been using nightly builds for a couple weeks
2008-03-03 01:54 < Lubaf> Undeference: Is it any good?
2008-03-03 01:54 < nok_cat> how much memory does it use?
2008-03-03 01:54 < Undeference> it does tend to use a bit less than 2, but usage also jumps a bit sometimes
2008-03-03 01:55 < Species8473> what is the best way to link two times to the same source in an article?
2008-03-03 01:56 * FastLizard4|busy is now going to bed, good night!
2008-03-03 01:56 * LizardSock too
2008-03-03 01:57 < Lubaf> Species8473: Are they right next to one another?
2008-03-03 01:57 < Species8473> no because then I would use one source reference
2008-03-03 01:59 < Lubaf> Species8473: Just do it as a new refrence, and let somebody else fix it.
2008-03-03 02:00 < Species8473> well there must be one person that has some experience with creating source references in here.... Right?
2008-03-03 02:01 < Lubaf> Species8473: It's Sunday night/Monday morning.
2008-03-03 02:01 < Lubaf> Nobody's here.
2008-03-03 02:01 < Lubaf> Full stop.
2008-03-03 02:02 < Species8473> depends on where you live
2008-03-03 02:03 < Lubaf> Species8473: True, but most #wikipedians are Brits, Aussies, or USAians.
2008-03-03 02:04 < Lubaf> Or Canananadians.
2008-03-03 02:04 < Lubaf> And all of those tend to go to sleep on Sundays.
2008-03-03 02:04 < Species8473> well its an OK time in both autralia and britain
2008-03-03 02:05 < Species8473> but lets end this discussion
2008-03-03 02:05 < Species8473> its not very productive
2008-03-03 02:05 < Species8473> i'm going to see if someone has written things down
2008-03-03 02:06 < Species8473> and if not I'm just going to leave one reference out
2008-03-03 02:06 < Species8473> I dont care that much anyway :)
2008-03-03 02:07 < PeanutHorst> Soms: invite to your chan please? also, w-en-foods disappeared
2008-03-03 02:09 < Species8473> ?
2008-03-03 02:24 < Species8473> any wikipedia editors available?
2008-03-03 02:26 < Soms> Of course.
2008-03-03 02:26 < Species8473> cool
2008-03-03 02:26 < Species8473> how can i make a double source reference?
2008-03-03 02:26 < Species8473> so a pointer to one source at the bottom at two points
2008-03-03 02:27 < r00m_c> one referance would be like
2008-03-03 02:27 < Species8473> I have one <ref> working properly, only need the other
2008-03-03 02:27 < r00m_c> <ref name="name">source things here</ref>
2008-03-03 02:28 < r00m_c> and then the other place where you want it is <ref/>
2008-03-03 02:28 < r00m_c> errr
2008-03-03 02:28 < r00m_c> the second one is
2008-03-03 02:28 < r00m_c> <ref name="name"/>
2008-03-03 02:28 < Species8473> then it will point to the first source reference I think? Not good?
2008-03-03 02:28 < r00m_c> sorry forgot to pu the name there
2008-03-03 02:29 < Species8473> I have this in the text now: <ref>[http://sioenederland.nl/?page_id=2 sioenederland.nl] Over SIOE</ref>
2008-03-03 02:29 < Species8473> and at the bottom I have {{bron|1={{references}} }}
2008-03-03 02:29 < Species8473> so the information shows at the bottom
2008-03-03 02:30 < Species8473> but I need another number thing in the text at a different location
2008-03-03 02:30 < r00m_c> oh ok at the other location
2008-03-03 02:30 < r00m_c> type <ref>text here with the ref.</ref>
2008-03-03 02:30 < Species8473> ?
2008-03-03 02:30 < Species8473> then it will make a new item?
2008-03-03 02:31 < Species8473> and I want another pointer to an existing item
2008-03-03 02:31 < r00m_c> yes there will then be two of them on the page and it will list both of them
2008-03-03 02:31 < Species8473> but it's the same source
2008-03-03 02:31 < r00m_c> to go to an exsting one you first name to name the exsiting one
2008-03-03 02:32 < Species8473> nevermind
2008-03-03 02:32 < Species8473> this is too complicated :)
2008-03-03 02:32 < r00m_c> lol, srry to confuses you.
2008-03-03 02:32 < Species8473> thanks for trying anyway
2008-03-03 02:32 < Species8473> no i'm not confused
2008-03-03 02:32 < Species8473> I know how naming works
2008-03-03 02:32 < r00m_c> oh ok,,
2008-03-03 02:32 < Species8473> it's just that it will point to the wrong place in the text then
2008-03-03 02:33 < Species8473> If you click the link it will go to the names item which is upwards instead of at the bottom
2008-03-03 02:33 < Species8473> right?
2008-03-03 02:33 < r00m_c> Umm you might have to move it to where it needs to go
2008-03-03 02:33 < r00m_c> Put the <ref> tags behind the last sentence you are refernceing
2008-03-03 02:34 < r00m_c> oh
2008-03-03 02:34 < r00m_c> ic
2008-03-03 02:34 < r00m_c> {{bron|1={{references}} }}
2008-03-03 02:34 < Species8473> it puts a strange ab at the source reference now
2008-03-03 02:34 < r00m_c> the problem might be the {{nron}}
2008-03-03 02:35 < r00m_c> *bron
2008-03-03 02:35 < r00m_c> What article is this?
2008-03-03 02:35 < Species8473> oh wait the a b represent the two source pointers
2008-03-03 02:35 < Species8473> it's SIOE at nl.wikipedia
2008-03-03 02:36 < Species8473> but the naming thing seems to have worked out
2008-03-03 02:36 < r00m_c> oh ok,,
2008-03-03 02:37 < Species8473> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIOE
2008-03-03 02:37 < Species8473> I saved it now
2008-03-03 02:37 < r00m_c> oh ko,,
2008-03-03 02:37 < r00m_c> *ok
2008-03-03 02:37 * brown_cat is sooo happy
2008-03-03 02:37 < brown_cat> guess what?
2008-03-03 02:37 * brown_cat is pregnant!!!!!! :D
2008-03-03 02:37 < Species8473> of what, another brown cat?
2008-03-03 02:37 < r00m_c> congrats on the baby brown_cat
2008-03-03 02:37 * brown_cat punches Species8473
2008-03-03 02:37 < brown_cat> I mean in real life douchebag
2008-03-03 02:38 * Species8473 hugs brown_cat
2008-03-03 02:38 * brown_cat hugs Species8473
2008-03-03 02:38 < brown_cat> what should i name him/her?
2008-03-03 02:38 < Species8473> name him/her Species8474 ?
2008-03-03 02:38 * brown_cat is serious :|
2008-03-03 02:39 < Species8473> I think you (and the father if available) are the only ones able to come up with a suiting name
2008-03-03 02:39 < Species8473> omg potc party starting?
2008-03-03 02:39 * jack_sparrow should just have an abortion like last time
2008-03-03 02:40 < Species8473> oh yes, then you can skip the annoying name part too, brilliant idea
2008-03-03 02:40 < Species8473> it would be child murder though
2008-03-03 02:40 < jack_sparrow> jk
2008-03-03 02:40 < jack_sparrow> it is more fun persuading sfan00 i am preggos
2008-03-03 02:40 < jack_sparrow> he believes me and gets shocked
2008-03-03 02:40 < Species8473> yes, big time fun
2008-03-03 02:41 < Daniel_Bush_> So then I said to him, "If we're going to get a bullet into this guy's brain, we're going to have to use finesse"
2008-03-03 02:42 < Daniel_Bush_> Sorry, wrong channel. Ignore that
2008-03-03 02:42 < r00m_c> Does english wikipedia have a referance template like netherland's bron?
2008-03-03 02:42 < r00m_c> Iv never seen it.
2008-03-03 02:42 < r00m_c> it there is one.
2008-03-03 02:43 < Species8473> I wouldn't know r00m_c
2008-03-03 02:43 < r00m_c> hmm,
2008-03-03 02:44 < r00m_c> Im suppried the english word name worked for that. ref tag.
2008-03-03 02:45 < Species8473> the name tags are html
2008-03-03 02:45 < Species8473> they are used a lot for internal links
2008-03-03 02:45 < r00m_c> yeah I guess thats why its the same in both lang. I would have thought they would have traslated the words though.
2008-03-03 02:45 < Species8473> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#h-12.2.1
2008-03-03 02:46 < Species8473> the internet is based on english
2008-03-03 02:46 < r00m_c> aah ic.
2008-03-03 03:32 < Jmlk17> own up
2008-03-03 03:34 < Cyrius> to what?
2008-03-03 03:36 < Mike_H> he's drunk
2008-03-03 03:37 < Pumpmeup> could I please get an !admin to reconsider removal of rollback?
2008-03-03 03:39 < Pumpmeup> hello?
2008-03-03 03:40 < Mike_H> it's like 3:40 in the morning
2008-03-03 03:41 < Mike_H> I know I'm not going to at this hour
2008-03-03 03:41 < Mike_H> you're going to have to find someone else
2008-03-03 03:41 < Mike_H> sorry :(
2008-03-03 03:41 * Pumpmeup gives brown_cat a poke
2008-03-03 03:43 < Pumpmeup> !admin
2008-03-03 03:43 < Ral315> Pumpmeup, yes?
2008-03-03 03:43 < Pumpmeup> could I please get an admin to reconsider removal of rollback?
2008-03-03 03:44 < Pumpmeup> (if someone's feeling like it)
2008-03-03 03:44 < Ral315> It's unlikely to be overturned, but I'll take a look.
2008-03-03 03:44 < Pumpmeup> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AzaToth#Rollback
2008-03-03 03:45 < Pumpmeup> that's the conversation that has occured. I think AzaToth will reconsider, it's just a royal pain trying to revert vandals the slow way while waiting for them to be back online
2008-03-03 03:46 < Ral315> I've got to deny you at this stage. You were blocked just two days ago for vandalism; I understand that you're apologetic for your vandalism, but I think you need to wait a little longer, to show that it won't happen again.
2008-03-03 03:47 < Pumpmeup> Have you looked at the circumstances regarding that block?
2008-03-03 03:47 < Ral315> I see that you were unblocked.
2008-03-03 03:48 < Pumpmeup> It was 2 edits I made in stupididty after something upset me. No warnings were given, and two other admins commented on the block
2008-03-03 03:48 < Ral315> Rollback isn't a big deal, but it's still a tool that shouldn't be handled lightly, and I'd rather see you give at least a few weeks of useful contributions.
2008-03-03 03:48 < Pumpmeup> (and how it may have been unjustified)
2008-03-03 03:49 < Ral315> Pumpmeup, warnings aren't really necessary if the user knows it's vandalism.
2008-03-03 03:49 < Pumpmeup> ...what about the two years of decent contribs?
2008-03-03 03:49 < Ral315> When asked why you did it, you said, "Something to do. Block me"
2008-03-03 03:49 < Pumpmeup> I most certainly did - I didn't ask for reverting vandalism to be slow and annoying :-P
2008-03-03 03:50 < Pumpmeup> When saying that to Bongwarrior, I knew he wouldn't
2008-03-03 03:50 < Pumpmeup> but this guy did
2008-03-03 03:51 < Ral315> Even so, I would have personally blocked you under the circumstances, so I can't justify giving you rollback two days afterward. Sorry.
2008-03-03 03:52 < Pumpmeup> Ral315: I can understand about the block, but taking away rollback to an avid vandal-reverter. One outburst. Could you give it back on a trial basis and if I somehow screw with it then, well, do whatever?
2008-03-03 03:53 < The359> one outburst too many
2008-03-03 03:53 < Pumpmeup> lol I know
2008-03-03 03:53 < The359> Some can edit for years without resorting to vandalizing because they can't control themselves
2008-03-03 03:54 < Pumpmeup> It's not about "control" I knew exactly what I was doing - I just didn't expect the repercussions to effectively restrict my returning as a good user
2008-03-03 03:54 < The359> ...what did you expect it to be?
2008-03-03 03:54 < Pumpmeup> The many angry user's comments
2008-03-03 03:55 < The359> so you expect us to not give you the same repercussions we'd give any other vandal
2008-03-03 03:55 < The359> just because you were a good editor before
2008-03-03 03:55 < Pumpmeup> besides AzaToth's main reason was for ussing TW rollback, not mediawiki. So rip that of my monobook instead!
2008-03-03 03:59 < Cyrius> don't tempt us
2008-03-03 04:00 < Werdna> Pumpmeup: Can be arranged.
2008-03-03 04:02 < Pumpmeup> yes, "becuase I have been a good editor before". One outburst after years of service should be weighed up hand in hand
2008-03-03 04:05 < AdamBishop> You need to have less conspicuous outbursts. I have them all the time and no one cares!
2008-03-03 04:06 < Pumpmeup> lol true
2008-03-03 04:08 < Pumpmeup> So I guess that's a "wait a week or so then ask again"?
2008-03-03 04:09 < Mike_H> Pumpmeup: about this
2008-03-03 04:09 < Mike_H> <Pumpmeup> yes, "becuase I have been a good editor before". One outburst after years of service should be weighed up hand in hand
2008-03-03 04:09 < Mike_H> Take a look at Riana's bureaucrat request
2008-03-03 04:09 < Mike_H> she's being flunked because she dared to like Kelly Martin.
2008-03-03 04:09 < Mike_H> What should be fair and what happens on WP are two different things.
2008-03-03 04:11 < Pumpmeup> I know the theory doesn't work in large-scale reality, but the outcoime of giving it back will be me returning to my quiet mouse-self, going about my recent changes patrolling business. May I state that the rollback mentioned was on my talk page, and I was not aware rollback was not allowed to be used to remove comments (and I meant to undo anyways)
2008-03-03 04:11 < Ral315> Mike_H: You make a fair point, but "flunked" may be the wrong word -- she's still likely to pass as of now.
2008-03-03 04:12 < Mike_H> Ral315: It could go either way
2008-03-03 04:12 < Mike_H> she's in the high eighties
2008-03-03 04:12 < Mike_H> it depends on who hates her that gets to it first
2008-03-03 04:12 < Ral315> Heh.
2008-03-03 04:12 < Ral315> Didn't one of the July RFBs close between 85 and 90, as a pass?
2008-03-03 04:12 < Mike_H> I don't remember.
2008-03-03 04:13 < Ral315> Andrevan hit it at 86.7, so it's close.
2008-03-03 04:19 < AdamBishop> I still want to request bureucratship just to see what kind of stuff people bring up
2008-03-03 04:19 < AdamBishop> I think I would be amused yet horrified
2008-03-03 04:20 < Pumpmeup> anyone willing to reconsider the rollback thing?
2008-03-03 04:22 < The359> no
2008-03-03 04:23 < Werdna> Pumpmeup: get over it, and work with twinkle or something.
2008-03-03 04:23 < Werdna> It is important that there is a deterrent for vandalism.
2008-03-03 04:27 < Pumpmeup> I get it - and all the shit I've copped and my (meager) reputation demolished is surely enough to get the message through. Right now what's happening is (partially) preventing me from usefully contributing.
2008-03-03 04:28 < The359> don't turn this into a sob story
2008-03-03 04:29 < Pumpmeup> This is why people leave the 'pedia... you do your best, try and help a project for a good cause, and you get kicked in the face by members
2008-03-03 04:30 < The359> ...because you acted like a twat
2008-03-03 04:30 < The359> you seem to be forgetting that part
2008-03-03 04:32 < AdamBishop> what did you do, anyway?
2008-03-03 04:32 < Pumpmeup> yes, I agree with being slagged off and blocked - but not to being prevented from doing what I do best (constructively not huge screwups lol)
2008-03-03 04:33 < The359> you're being prevented now because you screwed up
2008-03-03 04:33 < The359> No one said infinite
2008-03-03 04:33 < Pumpmeup> replaced the picture of the FP featured article subject's wife with that of a duck, thrice.
2008-03-03 04:33 < AdamBishop> heh. Nice
2008-03-03 04:33 < AdamBishop> ducks are inherently funny
2008-03-03 04:34 < Pumpmeup> that's what I thought :-P
2008-03-03 04:35 < Pumpmeup> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Priestley&diff=prev&oldid=195063180
2008-03-03 04:35 < Pumpmeup> stupid, but shouldn't result in me being hampered to contribute
2008-03-03 04:36 < The359> Guess you should have thought of that
2008-03-03 04:37 < AdamBishop> that was Willy on Wheels-ish
2008-03-03 04:37 < AdamBishop> I miss Willy
2008-03-03 04:37 < Pumpmeup> mmm...
2008-03-03 04:37 < Pumpmeup> but the reason rollback was removed wasn't that
2008-03-03 04:38 < Soms> Pumpmeup: If you can go show, and actually prove to the community that you're going to be useful.
2008-03-03 04:39 < Soms> I'll personally find someone to give you rollback.
2008-03-03 04:39 < Soms> But until you can prove you're useful, no ones going to take that chance.
2008-03-03 04:39 < Soms> We assumed good faith the first time, and you've broken that.
2008-03-03 04:39 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: I miss Mr. Treason.
2008-03-03 04:39 < Mike_H> I WILL SUE YOU
2008-03-03 04:40 < Mike_H> IN A COURT OF LAW
2008-03-03 04:40 < Mike_H> IN TRENTON, NEW JERSEY
2008-03-03 04:40 < nok_cat> \o/
2008-03-03 04:40 < zvook> it's embarassing how rollback is a status symbol for you guys.
2008-03-03 04:40 < Mike_H> and he'd like, threaten to sue you because, like
2008-03-03 04:40 < Mike_H> you changed his wording on a Survivor contestant article
2008-03-03 04:40 < Mike_H> it was lulz
2008-03-03 04:40 < nok_cat> why do you guys care
2008-03-03 04:40 < Soms> zvook: Nothing should be a status symbol.
2008-03-03 04:40 < zvook> sup Mike_H
2008-03-03 04:40 < Soms> But it always is.
2008-03-03 04:40 < Mike_H> hi zvook
2008-03-03 04:40 < Mike_H> I'd challenge you to trivia
2008-03-03 04:40 < Mike_H> but I'm down to my last cigarette
2008-03-03 04:41 < zvook> lotta mikes in here tonight/today
2008-03-03 04:41 < nok_cat> /join #trivia then
2008-03-03 04:41 < Pumpmeup> I have shown that since '06. So because of a single incident all of that is wiped?
2008-03-03 04:41 < Mike_H> nok_cat: did you read this part
2008-03-03 04:41 < zvook> he would if he was challenging me
2008-03-03 04:41 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> I'd challenge you to trivia
2008-03-03 04:41 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> but I'm down to my last cigarette
2008-03-03 04:41 < nok_cat> I did
2008-03-03 04:41 < Mike_H> as in
2008-03-03 04:41 < Mike_H> I have one cigarette left
2008-03-03 04:41 < Mike_H> so
2008-03-03 04:41 < Mike_H> no.
2008-03-03 04:41 < nok_cat> you won't
2008-03-03 04:41 < Soms> Pumpmeup: Give it a little while longer, or try talking to someone who is willing to look at it in a more favorable light.
2008-03-03 04:42 < Pumpmeup> That's why I'm here :-)
2008-03-03 04:42 < Pumpmeup> it's not a status symbol at all!
2008-03-03 04:42 < nok_cat> well
2008-03-03 04:42 < zvook> Mike_H, your typing fingers are too fast for me in any case. i dunno what you did to train 'em but i doubt it was typing, journo or no :P
2008-03-03 04:42 < nok_cat> why do you need it
2008-03-03 04:42 < Ral315> Like I said, I'm willing to take another look in a couple weeks. But continuing to argue your case here isn't helpful -- if necessary, PM a willing admin.
2008-03-03 04:42 < Pumpmeup> If TW rollback was half as fast I would be fine
2008-03-03 04:42 < Soms> I meant on-wiki.
2008-03-03 04:42 < Soms> Your cause on IRC has been lost.
2008-03-03 04:42 < nok_cat> why do you need such massive rollback powers
2008-03-03 04:43 < Soms> heh