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2008-02-05 07:26 < Sausage> one last question
2008-02-05 07:26 < Sausage> are the articles regularly checked for inaccuracy and wrong info?
2008-02-05 07:28 < wpedzich> No :)
2008-02-05 07:28 < wpedzich> Articles can be on people's watchlists, but there's no schedule
2008-02-05 07:29 < wpedzich> So whoever checks out the info in the articles does it voluntarily and without being told to
2008-02-05 07:29 < Sausage> @.@ wow so anyone can put random shit up there?
2008-02-05 07:29 < Sausage> glad it hasnt mislead me so far =p
2008-02-05 07:29 < wpedzich> Well... that is what happens sometimes ...
2008-02-05 07:29 < Sausage> well thanks again =D
2008-02-05 07:30 < Sausage> have a great day.
2008-02-05 07:30 < wpedzich> In Poland - universities are against quoting Wikipedia in papers
2008-02-05 07:30 < Sausage> lol!
2008-02-05 07:30 < wpedzich> thanks, you too.
2008-02-05 12:44 < britty_> oh? "04:28, 12 January 2008 Anonymous Dissident (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Image:Golden Nica.JPG" ‎ (no source) (Restore)"
2008-02-05 12:44 < britty_> is it a bit sort of copyright paranoid??
2008-02-05 12:50 < al_tally> britty_: no, not really. Please don't say things like that
2008-02-05 12:51 < britty_> why? but we assumed all images were just under GFDL unless they were declared in PD until some date which i cannot recally right now
2008-02-05 12:52 < britty_> and both the editor who tagged it unsource and deletor didn't seem to contact the uploader (danny wool)
2008-02-05 12:53 < spacebird> britty_: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Danny#Your_untagged_images ?
2008-02-05 12:53 < britty_> ah thanks
2008-02-05 12:54 < britty_> i missed that - i don't know why
2008-02-05 12:54 < spacebird> np :)
2008-02-05 12:54 < britty_> but i don't think he has recently been on meta
2008-02-05 12:54 < Danny_B> i guess i should rename myself to get rid of all those false hilights...
2008-02-05 12:54 < britty_> Danny_B, heh
2008-02-05 12:54 < spacebird> Danny_B: XD
2008-02-05 12:56 < spacebird> people not frequently active on meta should maybe check enotify :S
2008-02-05 12:56 < britty_> even if he is sometimes around, just five days after the warning look too short for me concerning meta character (for the most it is not their home wiki)
2008-02-05 12:57 < spacebird> (finds that very comfortable)
2008-02-05 12:57 < britty_> spacebird, agreed but the older accounts might not aware now they cannot receive emails
2008-02-05 12:57 < spacebird> 7.1.2008 ?
2008-02-05 12:57 < spacebird> yes, that's right
2008-02-05 13:01 < britty_> ah painful request for adminship
2008-02-05 13:01 < britty_> poetlister is now requesting for b'cratship on my home wiki
2008-02-05 13:03 < al_tally> she is banned on enwp lol
2008-02-05 13:06 < britty_> i am not sure if their argument was right - sockpuppetry
2008-02-05 13:06 < britty_> i haven't seen the detailed data and she seemed not to use sockpuppet on enwikiquote
2008-02-05 13:06 < britty_> but she admits she is an admin of wikipedia reader
2008-02-05 13:07 < al_tally> wikipedia review
2008-02-05 13:07 < britty_> it doesn't makes me at ease (thx)
2008-02-05 13:09 < britty_> oh cebano
2008-02-05 13:09 < britty_> chebuano
2008-02-05 13:09 < britty_> sorr cebuano i mean
2008-02-05 13:31 < britty_> oh?
2008-02-05 13:31 < britty_> mediawiki:sidebar doesn7t work anymore?
2008-02-05 13:31 < britty_> ah not
2008-02-05 13:31 < britty_> not not
2008-02-05 15:10 < schiste> brion http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/ do you think the cc tag on some video means Creative Commons or does it means something else?
2008-02-05 15:10 < schiste> (I ask you as you're maerican and it could mean something else in this context)
2008-02-05 15:11 < brion> closed-captioned
2008-02-05 15:12 < brion> that indicates it has text subtitles available
2008-02-05 15:13 < brion> i can't get them to work though
2008-02-05 15:13 < schiste> oh ok :)
2008-02-05 15:13 < schiste> thanks :)
2008-02-05 16:24 < DragonFire1024> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Story_preparation/Wikinews_interviews_Mark_Bunker%2C_producer_of_anti-Scientology_website_%27XenuTV%27
2008-02-05 17:53 < dungodung> pathy on a deletion spree :]
2008-02-05 17:53 * dungodung slaps COIBot
2008-02-05 17:54 < Pathoschild> :)
2008-02-05 18:01 < al_tally> Pathoschild: !!! >:(
2008-02-05 18:01 < Pathoschild> Hello al_tally. :)
2008-02-05 18:01 < al_tally> go ahead and flag yourself, sheesh
2008-02-05 18:02 * Pathoschild nods.
2008-02-05 18:25 < Pathoschild> Does anyone here read simple Norwegian?
2008-02-05 18:26 < Shanel> What the poo is simple norwegian.
2008-02-05 18:27 < Pathoschild> Simple text in a North Germanic language spoken primarily in Norway.
2008-02-05 18:27 < SWATJester> Black Metal Scream is also a common language of Norway.
2008-02-05 18:27 * Shanel slaps Pathoschild.
2008-02-05 18:28 < Pathoschild> :(
2008-02-05 18:28 < Shanel> !Norwegians
2008-02-05 18:29 < Pathoschild> In case anyone wanders along, I'm wondering what the difference between "Denne brukeren snakker norsk som morsmål." and "Denne brukaren har norsk som morsmål." is.
2008-02-05 18:30 < Shanel> Pathoschild: Maybe one of the two flavours of nowegian?
2008-02-05 18:30 < kibble> Pathoschild: Atluxity might
2008-02-05 18:30 < Pathoschild> Shanel: No, the other flavour is "Denne brukaren skriv flytande nynorsk.".
2008-02-05 18:30 < Pathoschild> I'm guessing it refers to both?
2008-02-05 18:31 < Shanel> Or...maybe one says "This user speaks Nowwegian as his mother tongue" and the other says "This user has Norwegian as his mother tongue"?
2008-02-05 18:31 < Pathoschild> Possibly, but why would someone deliberately make a new template for the second one?
2008-02-05 18:32 < Shanel> You assume people are always logical. :P
2008-02-05 18:32 * Pathoschild asks Atluxity.
2008-02-05 18:32 < Pathoschild> Yep.
2008-02-05 18:32 < Shanel> Well you suck.
2008-02-05 18:32 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-02-05 23:36 < hegesippe> Pathoschild, does it mean that the sub-categories by level for each language will be deleted?
2008-02-05 23:36 < Pathoschild> Yep.
2008-02-05 23:37 < hegesippe> Babel templates, tyhe
2008-02-05 23:37 < hegesippe> then, have no more sense
2008-02-05 23:37 < Pathoschild> No, the category is sorted by fluency.
2008-02-05 23:37 < Pathoschild> For example, see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:User_ar .
2008-02-05 23:40 < hegesippe> and what means that: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:User_fr&from=4+Danimo
2008-02-05 23:41 < Pathoschild> User_fr hasn't been updated yet, so the category description is still out of date.
2008-02-05 23:41 < Pathoschild> (But those are user_fr-1.)
2008-02-05 23:41 < Pathoschild> User_af to User_da are all updated. :)
2008-02-05 23:45 < hegesippe> but order, in the categories, is giving "trouble": my level in German is 1 but in the category I'm listed in 4
2008-02-05 23:47 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: That's correct. Because of a limitation of categories, the sort key doesn't match the template level. This is explained in the category description:
2008-02-05 23:47 < Pathoschild> "This category sorts German speakers by order of fluency (1=native, 2=fluent, 3=intermediate, 4=basic)."
2008-02-05 23:47 < Pathoschild> You speak basic German, so you're sorted under 4.
2008-02-05 23:49 < hegesippe> yes, but people can be disturbed by the two systems (category numbers vs. templates numbers, which do not "run" in the same direction...) :D
2008-02-05 23:49 < Pathoschild> Well, we could reverse the template direction pretty easily. :)
2008-02-05 23:50 < hegesippe> no
2008-02-05 23:50 < hegesippe> it would be different as on other Wikimedia projects
2008-02-05 23:50 < Shanel> Pathoschild: Show the noobs first. ;D
2008-02-05 23:50 < hegesippe> maybe a small explanation, in bold
2008-02-05 23:50 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: Other projects will be adopting this system, most likely.
2008-02-05 23:51 < Shanel> Pathoschild: Sez who. :O
2008-02-05 23:51 < hegesippe> thousands of edits, for a few benefit
2008-02-05 23:51 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: More than a few; see < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:User_language#Primary_advantages >.
2008-02-05 23:52 < Pathoschild> And those are only the primary benefits, with no mention of countless little improvements like automatic stacking without needing to use metatemplates or custom divs.
2008-02-05 23:54 < hegesippe> I'm strongly opposed to see twice message in English and local language
2008-02-05 23:55 < hegesippe> there will be strong opposition to that on French projects
2008-02-05 23:55 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: You're the second user to say so; please leave a note on the talk page. If people generally don't like the English text, it would be easy to remove.
2008-02-05 23:55 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: Ideally, the French wikis will have French+local instead. :)
2008-02-05 23:56 < Shanel> I like it because I fail.
2008-02-05 23:56 < Shanel> At non-english.
2008-02-05 23:56 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-02-06 00:08 < hegesippe> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/6_f%C3%A9vrier_2008#Mod.C3.A8les_Babel
2008-02-06 00:12 < Pathoschild> On cherche à imposer? On ne l'a même pas encore suggérer. Un peu alarmiste, non?
2008-02-06 00:14 < Shanel> Pathoschild is to lazy to impose anything.
2008-02-06 00:14 < Shanel> *too
2008-02-06 00:15 < hegesippe> c'est pourtant commencé, visiblement
2008-02-06 00:15 < Shanel> Pathoschild: Why is suggerer in the infinitive form. Confuuused. :(
2008-02-06 00:15 < Pathoschild> Shanel: Maybe I made a mistake. :)
2008-02-06 00:15 < Shanel> :O
2008-02-06 00:15 < Shanel> But you're supposed to teach me. :'(
2008-02-06 00:16 < Pathoschild> :'(
2008-02-06 00:17 < hegesippe> it would be acceptable if any project should choose to have the first message (English) in its own language (or without any first message), if each project should have its own choice of colors for each level, etc.
2008-02-06 00:18 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: Well, of course. You can copy it to the French Wikipedia, translate it into Spanish, and make it bright pink if you want. There's no committee. :)
2008-02-06 00:18 < Pathoschild> The template is designed to be very easy to translate and customize; you only have to change two lines.
2008-02-06 00:18 < Shanel> Pathoschild: What if I want a black template.
2008-02-06 00:19 < Pathoschild> Shanel: Easy. :)
2008-02-06 00:19 < Shanel> On meta. :O
2008-02-06 00:19 < Pathoschild> Also easy; there are parameters that let you customize it per-page. :)
2008-02-06 00:19 < Shanel> Yay!
2008-02-06 00:19 < Shanel> Can I make yours a gay pink? :DD
2008-02-06 00:19 < Pathoschild> No. :p
2008-02-06 00:19 < Shanel> :'(
2008-02-06 00:19 * Shanel disobeys.
2008-02-06 00:19 < hegesippe> < Other projects will be adopting this system, most likely. > : that frightens me
2008-02-06 00:20 < Pathoschild> I don't mean that we'll force them to, I just mean that it has many benefits over the old babel templates, so other communities will *want* to switch.
2008-02-06 00:20 < hegesippe> let's see what will happen :D
2008-02-06 00:20 < gribeco> Pathoschild: just make it clear that each community is free to choose =)
2008-02-06 00:21 < Pathoschild> Each community is free to choose. :)
2008-02-06 00:21 < gribeco> Pathoschild: no public loggers =(
2008-02-06 00:21 < Shanel> Pathoschild: Unclearrrrr. Unclearrrrr.
2008-02-06 00:21 < Pathoschild> gribeco: You can log my comments. :)
2008-02-06 00:22 < gribeco> I can't publish them verbatim
2008-02-06 00:22 < gribeco> I have to write a wikinews article
2008-02-06 00:22 < gribeco> with anonymous sources
2008-02-06 00:22 < Pathoschild> A Wikinews article on the babel templates? o.o
2008-02-06 00:23 < gribeco> "A mediawiki steward, who asked not to be named, stated that each community was free to adopt the new templates or not."
2008-02-06 00:24 < Pathoschild> :)
2008-02-06 00:24 < Pathoschild> This has nothing to do with my role as Wikimedia steward, though. :)
2008-02-06 00:24 < Shanel> Don't you mean Wikimedia?
2008-02-06 00:24 < gribeco> oops
2008-02-06 00:24 < Shanel> A user who shall not be named. :D
2008-02-06 00:25 * Pathoschild is just a MetaWiki editor who proposed and implemented a streamlined system of templates. :)
2008-02-06 00:25 < gribeco> "A respected user (that some nonetheless suspect of being a sock-puppet of another respected user) proposed a new template system on Tuesday."
2008-02-06 00:26 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-02-06 00:26 < Shanel> :o
2008-02-06 00:26 < hegesippe> à l'instant sur le Bistro de Wikipédia : < [...] pour l'instant je ne suis pas franchement convaincu. Cela nécessiterait, à mon avis, un gros effort d'explication, pour démontrer les avantages de cette migration vers le nouveau système (et l'absence d'inconvénients). >
2008-02-06 00:26 < Pathoschild> gribeco: It was proposed a week or two ago; it's being implemented today. :)
2008-02-06 00:26 < Pathoschild> (And yesterday.)
2008-02-06 00:27 < gribeco> obviously, I don't follow enough meta pages =(
2008-02-06 00:27 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: Eh bien, rien vous force d'adopté le system. :)
2008-02-06 00:28 < Pathoschild> gribeco: < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel#New_babel_templates >, < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aphaia#New_babel_templates >, #wikimedia-translation, and I think a few times in #wikimedia. :)
2008-02-06 00:28 < hegesippe> more explanations (and translated explanations) should ***help*** to really understand the benefits (is there enough customization possibilities, etc. ?)
2008-02-06 00:29 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: Everyone is more than welcome to make suggestions or ask questions on the talk page, and I'll answer in English or French as appropriate. :)
2008-02-06 00:29 < gribeco> is it too late to whine ? I think it would have been better to have the localized expression first, followed by the English translation (in small-size italics)
2008-02-06 00:30 < Pathoschild> gribeco: Nope. The template is centralized, so we can change the format in one edit.
2008-02-06 00:31 < hegesippe> Many people will have difficulties to understand the customization possibilities through the parameters
2008-02-06 00:33 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: Maybe we could offer some examples for the most-used changes, so they can easily just copy & paste, and maybe make a few minor changes to the example.
2008-02-06 00:33 < Shanel> Pathoschild: Hai. :)
2008-02-06 00:33 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: Everything can be customized through CSS, so once you look at CSS you can do anything to the template. :)
2008-02-06 00:33 < hegesippe> explanations (maybe ***long***...) should be the best way :D
2008-02-06 00:34 < Pathoschild> Fine by me. :)
2008-02-06 00:34 < hegesippe> so you have to add classes to each element, if there are not
2008-02-06 00:38 < hegesippe> Pathoschild, grey words on black background is difficult to read, on your meta "portal"
2008-02-06 00:39 < Pathoschild> Suggested colours?
2008-02-06 00:40 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: I added CSS classes to the template. < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_language?diff=867738 >
2008-02-06 00:40 < gribeco> I believe "gay pink" was suggested earlier
2008-02-06 00:41 < hegesippe> thanks Pathoschild
2008-02-06 00:41 < Pathoschild> Welcome.
2008-02-06 00:41 < gribeco> "Cette personne peut contribuer avec un niveau maternelle de français." =D
2008-02-06 00:41 < Shanel> :DD
2008-02-06 00:41 < Pathoschild> Ouais. :D
2008-02-06 00:42 * Shanel uses him for French learning.
2008-02-06 00:42 < gribeco> in France French, "niveau maternelle" = "kindergarten level"
2008-02-06 00:42 < hegesippe> :D
2008-02-06 00:42 < Pathoschild> XD
2008-02-06 00:42 < Shanel> XD
2008-02-06 00:42 < Pathoschild> gribeco: So fix it. :P
2008-02-06 00:43 * Pathoschild speaks Canadian French. :P
2008-02-06 00:43 < hegesippe> difficult to replace, "niveau maternelle"
2008-02-06 00:43 < gribeco> [[Template:User language/fr]] is empty =(
2008-02-06 00:43 < Shanel> aka weirdo french.
2008-02-06 00:43 < gribeco> is it just a sample?
2008-02-06 00:43 < Pathoschild> gribeco: Edit it. :)
2008-02-06 00:43 < gribeco> ah!
2008-02-06 00:44 < hegesippe> "niveau ***de langue maternelle***" sonnerait bizarrement
2008-02-06 00:44 < hegesippe> mais la construction du modèle impose des contraintes
2008-02-06 00:44 < Pathoschild> hegesippe: Non, tu peut le modifié.
2008-02-06 00:45 < hegesippe> oui, il faut regarder tout cela à tête reposée
2008-02-06 00:45 < hegesippe> (en espérant que Verdy_p ne soit pas dans les parages)
2008-02-06 00:46 < gribeco> niveau indigène ? =D
2008-02-06 00:46 * Pathoschild confirme avec un site ortho que "langue maternelle" est correcte. :p
2008-02-06 00:46 < gribeco> oui, "langue maternelle", pas "niveau maternelle"
2008-02-06 00:46 < Pathoschild> Techniquement correcte. ;)
2008-02-06 00:47 < Shanel> This user has french for a native language? :O
2008-02-06 00:47 < hegesippe> mais <Cette personne peut contribuer avec un niveau de langue maternelle de français. > serait une phrase grammaticalement bancale
2008-02-06 00:47 < gribeco> Cette personne peut contribuer avec un niveau « langue maternelle » de français.
2008-02-06 00:47 < gribeco> en attendant mieux
2008-02-06 00:47 < hegesippe> sauf si on peut écrire "niveau de langue maternelle ***en*** français >
2008-02-06 00:47 < gribeco> en
2008-02-06 00:47 < gribeco> oui
2008-02-06 00:47 < Pathoschild> Oui.
2008-02-06 00:48 < Shanel> Weee
2008-02-06 00:48 < gribeco> mais c'est de pour les autres
2008-02-06 00:48 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-02-06 00:48 < hegesippe> est-ce que le modèle le permet ?
2008-02-06 00:48 < gribeco> bof, je mets "en" pour tous les niveaux, c'est correct
2008-02-06 00:48 < hegesippe> ou le sous-modèle
2008-02-06 00:48 < Pathoschild> Oui, en autant que tu ne change pas le "switch" primaire.
2008-02-06 00:49 < gribeco> on a toujours l'option de mettre des phrases complètement différentes pour chaque niveau
2008-02-06 00:49 < Pathoschild> Oui. :)
2008-02-06 00:49 < gribeco> en faisant tout rentrer dans le switch
2008-02-06 00:49 < hegesippe> (pfff... je parle rarement autant sur #wikimedia)
2008-02-06 00:50 < Pathoschild> :)
2008-02-06 00:51 < hegesippe> ça mériterait un arbcom, ça : forcé de parler sur un canal par la force des <s>mitraillettes</s> nouveaux modèle Babel :D
2008-02-06 00:52 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-02-06 00:52 < Pathoschild> Il y a la page de discussion, mais c'est plus long. ;)
2008-02-06 00:59 * Pathoschild goes off to sleep. :)
2008-02-06 01:04 < hegesippe> mort de rire : il y a un compte Willy on Wheels sur le wiki de Pathoschild
2008-02-06 01:05 < Shanel_away> :D
2008-02-06 04:34 * dungodung|busy slaps COIBot
2008-02-06 04:39 < Zach> that's not very nice
2008-02-06 04:39 < Zach> (unless it really deserves it)
2008-02-06 04:40 < Zach> what the hell is a COI?
2008-02-06 04:43 < Submarine> conflict of interest
2008-02-06 04:43 < Zach> oh duh
2008-02-06 05:04 < nofxx> morning... lil question...how do I get different line colors in a table, like all odd background blue, all even background white
2008-02-06 05:04 < Mike_H> my interview is at 2 tomorrow :o
2008-02-06 05:04 < Mike_H> so excited
2008-02-06 05:08 < Pyb> nofxx: this ? http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:%7EPyb/Trucs_et_astuces#Tableau
2008-02-06 05:09 < nofxx> Pyb: yea! heh lemme check the code
2008-02-06 05:09 < nofxx> Pyb: ouch...one by one !?!!?
2008-02-06 05:09 < nofxx> Pyb: cant use that.. list may grow up
2008-02-06 05:09 < Pyb> yes
2008-02-06 05:09 < nofxx> and its alphabetically indexed
2008-02-06 05:09 < Pyb> don't know
2008-02-06 05:09 < nofxx> imagine the mess
2008-02-06 05:11 < Submarine> Mike_H, interview with whom?
2008-02-06 05:11 < Submarine> Can I vent my anguish?
2008-02-06 05:11 < Submarine> A co-worker has just obtained the Turing Award, which is the equivalent of the Nobel Prize for computer science.
2008-02-06 05:12 < Mike_H> Submarine: I'm interviewing CariDee English tomorrow
2008-02-06 05:12 < Submarine> In normal times I should be able to take pictures for WP.
2008-02-06 05:12 < Mike_H> for Wikinews
2008-02-06 05:12 < Submarine> But....
2008-02-06 05:12 < Submarine> I've broken my ankle and I'm on sick leave.
2008-02-06 05:12 < Mike_H> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CariDee_English
2008-02-06 05:14 < Submarine> ah, she looks cute
2008-02-06 05:14 < Submarine> Pyb, do you think we could get an interview with Carla?
2008-02-06 05:15 < Pyb> euh, I will be difficult
2008-02-06 05:15 < Pyb> s/I/It
2008-02-06 05:15 < Pyb> may be for the next CD ;)
2008-02-06 05:17 < Pyb> Submarine: Do you know the website of our first lady ? http://www.carlabruni.com/
2008-02-06 05:27 < Submarine> holy cow
2008-02-06 05:27 < Submarine> The NYTimes discusses our Islam entry and our Muhammad pix.
2008-02-06 05:29 < Mike_H> Submarine: So I'm putting my questions in an outline for tomorrow's interview
2008-02-06 05:30 < Mike_H> it's a phone interview and I'm typing the responses as she says them to me
2008-02-06 05:30 < Mike_H> I have an hour with her. My final outline has 25 questions. Do you think that's too much?
2008-02-06 05:34 < Luna-San> That's a little over 2 minutes each, on average. I guess that's reasonable?
2008-02-06 05:35 < Luna-San> If you're following the inverted pyramid model, cutting out a bit early may not be too problematic, anyway
2008-02-06 05:35 < Mike_H> Luna-San: I emailed brianmc the outline
2008-02-06 05:36 < Mike_H> he's telling me which ones I can cut without it looking weird or removing good questions
2008-02-06 05:36 < Luna-San> Aha. *nod* Good move.
2008-02-06 07:44 < britty> hiho
2008-02-06 07:47 < Olando> election in Italy on 13-14 april
2008-02-06 08:04 < presroi__> Can I haz cheehad?
2008-02-06 08:04 < britty> moin presroi__
2008-02-06 08:04 < britty> long time no see on irc
2008-02-06 08:05 * wpedzich greets all those present
2008-02-06 08:06 < presroi__> moin
2008-02-06 10:31 < nofxx> how to change the index (contents) positioning.. cant find docs
2008-02-06 10:31 < nofxx> just put it to the right
2008-02-06 10:31 < flyingparchment> i think you want #mediawiki
2008-02-06 10:32 < nofxx> flyingparchment: hmmm... true ... thanks
2008-02-06 11:00 < PetarM> hi
2008-02-06 11:01 < PetarM> Somebody asked today who created/initiated the Romansh Wikipedia. Can somebody help me/him?
2008-02-06 12:09 * britty_ hugs al_tally
2008-02-06 12:10 < al_tally> britty_: I hope you don't mind what I said on the bureaucrat chat page..
2008-02-06 12:10 < britty_> i haven't read it
2008-02-06 12:10 * Sundance_Raphael huges britty_
2008-02-06 12:10 < britty_> is it a bit pointless to read it when i am not invited to input my opinion anyway>
2008-02-06 12:10 < britty_> ?
2008-02-06 12:11 < al_tally> well, I dunno
2008-02-06 12:11 < al_tally> it seems you will be desysopped
2008-02-06 12:14 < britty_> hm it's a bit inconvenient
2008-02-06 12:14 < al_tally> run for admin again. Once we've sorted out who is allowed to vote
2008-02-06 12:14 < britty_> that would be a big deal
2008-02-06 12:15 < britty_> iirc we failed to sort it out it at least twice since 2006
2008-02-06 12:20 * Pathoschild favours a Meta-users-only requirement of some sort.
2008-02-06 12:54 < cary> hello brassratgirl
2008-02-06 14:05 < FloNight> cary, we shall see how it goes :)
2008-02-06 14:05 < cary> FloNight: Indeed
2008-02-06 14:05 < cary> FloNight: Did arbcom discuss that other matter I sent in?
2008-02-06 14:05 < FloNight> cary, hmmm?
2008-02-06 14:06 < FloNight> the oversight one?
2008-02-06 14:08 < cary> yah
2008-02-06 14:33 < Sfan00> Anyone from the inner sanctum of Wikimedia in?
2008-02-06 14:34 < cary> no
2008-02-06 14:35 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-02-06 14:37 < cary> Sfan00: What do you need that requires "inner sanctum" personalities?
2008-02-06 14:38 < Sfan00> cary: Wikinews seem to be doing a lot of 'clam-bashing' recently :(
2008-02-06 14:38 < cary> I don't understand
2008-02-06 14:40 < Fabexplosive> hey cary, sfan
2008-02-06 14:41 < cary> Are they clamophobic?
2008-02-06 14:41 < Sfan00> Not yet
2008-02-06 14:42 < Sfan00> But i had some concerns - http://tinyurl.com/3bfar9
2008-02-06 14:42 < cary> Oh, I see what you're saying
2008-02-06 14:42 < cary> yeah... well... it's Wikinews, y'know
2008-02-06 14:46 < Sfan00> Project issue for now then?
2008-02-06 14:46 < Sfan00> OK
2008-02-06 14:49 < Fabexplosive> hi Arria
2008-02-06 14:50 < Sfan00> Incidentally, When is collabrtive video coming to Wikimedia?
2008-02-06 14:50 < Sfan00> I heard some stuff a couple of weeks ago?
2008-02-06 14:51 < cary> when it can be free
2008-02-06 14:52 < Sfan00> Ogg video edting tools exist
2008-02-06 14:52 < Sfan00> ?
2008-02-06 14:52 < Sfan00> Granted they aren't online yet
2008-02-06 14:56 < Fabexplosive> hey dungodung
2008-02-06 14:57 < dungodung> hi fabey
2008-02-06 14:57 < cary> hey filip
2008-02-06 14:57 < dungodung> hi caly
2008-02-06 14:57 < cary> firip
2008-02-06 14:57 < dungodung> indeed
2008-02-06 14:58 < timichal> hi
2008-02-06 14:59 < Fabexplosive> hey timichal
2008-02-06 14:59 < Mike_H> Submarine: I just got done with my interview
2008-02-06 14:59 < Mike_H> with CariDee
2008-02-06 15:22 < Fabexplosive> goodnight guys
2008-02-06 15:22 < cary> night
2008-02-06 15:23 < cary> !seen Dedalus
2008-02-06 16:16 * cary-eating needs some good indian music
2008-02-06 16:18 < MrZ-man> cary-eating: have you seen the Fox News story about the Muhammad images?
2008-02-06 16:18 < aleichem> link?
2008-02-06 16:18 < MrZ-man> http://www.foxnews.com/ - right on the top
2008-02-06 16:19 < cary-eating> hehe
2008-02-06 16:32 < Mike_H> I'm trying to compile some useful wire services
2008-02-06 16:32 < Mike_H> for our bot at Wikinews
2008-02-06 16:32 < Mike_H> Right now we have AP, Reuters, AFP, BBC, and ITN
2008-02-06 16:33 < Mike_H> AzaTht: did I leave anything out
2008-02-06 16:33 < AzaTht> al jazeera
2008-02-06 16:33 < AzaTht> VoA
2008-02-06 16:34 < Mike_H> AzaTht: I found a better world news source
2008-02-06 16:34 < Mike_H> for Asia
2008-02-06 16:34 < Mike_H> http://rss.xinhuanet.com/rss/english.xml
2008-02-06 16:34 < Mike_H> Xinhua
2008-02-06 16:34 < Mike_H> all of their articles are reported on by them
2008-02-06 16:34 < Mike_H> from what I can tell on the list here
2008-02-06 16:34 < Mike_H> none of them come from other wires
2008-02-06 16:35 < Mike_H> and for world news Xinhua is unbiased, there's no Communist slant or anything
2008-02-06 16:35 < FoeNyx> so they said >.>
2008-02-06 16:35 < AzaTht> hehe
2008-02-06 16:35 < Mike_H> I'm reading it
2008-02-06 16:35 < Mike_H> I don't see any bias
2008-02-06 16:36 < FoeNyx> do they think tomorrow is next year ? if yes, then it's biased ;)
2008-02-06 16:36 < Mike_H> that's it!
2008-02-06 16:36 < Mike_H> we're removing AFP now!
2008-02-06 16:36 < Mike_H> :P
2008-02-06 16:37 < AzaTht> why removing AFP?
2008-02-06 16:37 < Mike_H> it was a joke
2008-02-06 16:37 < FoeNyx> Mike_H> don't you like our "french" bias ?
2008-02-06 16:37 < Mike_H> It's TOO French.
2008-02-06 16:37 < Mike_H> :P
2008-02-06 16:37 < Mike_H> Frenchy French French.
2008-02-06 16:37 < AzaTht> hehe
2008-02-06 16:38 < FoeNyx> Mike_H> would you prefer Agence Freedom Press ?
2008-02-06 16:39 < Mike_H> and some Freedom fries.
2008-02-06 16:39 < Mike_H> now give me a freedom kiss.
2008-02-06 16:39 < AzaTht> hehe
2008-02-06 17:30 < cary> DragonFire1024: Big surprise coming
2008-02-06 17:32 < DragonFire1024> oh?
2008-02-06 17:32 * kibble gives cary|AAAAA his ADD medicine
2008-02-06 17:32 < kibble> ADHD*
2008-02-06 18:01 < cary|AAAAA> kibble made the top twenty list!
2008-02-06 18:01 < kibble> O_O
2008-02-06 18:01 < kibble> cary|AAAAA: where?
2008-02-06 18:01 < cary|AAAAA> foundation-l
2008-02-06 18:02 < kibble> oh no :-(
2008-02-06 18:03 * al_tally is meeting Thomas Dalton in ~2 1/2 weeks :D
2008-02-06 18:03 < kibble> that'll be interesting ;-)
2008-02-06 18:50 * Pathoschild pokes around for more opinions.
2008-02-06 18:50 < Pathoschild> Meta's new babel templates are bilingual (English + mentioned language), but some users are upset by the English text. Do you prefer mentioned language only, or bilingual?
2008-02-06 18:50 < Pathoschild> < http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pathoschild/Sandbox2 >
2008-02-06 18:51 * masterpersona prefers bilingual.
2008-02-06 18:51 * Arria too
2008-02-06 18:51 < Arria> As long as it's not bright green it's fine with me.
2008-02-06 18:51 < masterpersona> Arria: You can make it any colour you want. :D
2008-02-06 18:52 < Arria> :D
2008-02-06 18:52 * masterpersona made Pathoschild's a gay pink.
2008-02-06 18:52 < NotASheep> bilingual
2008-02-06 18:52 < NotASheep> and gay
2008-02-06 18:52 < masterpersona> :D
2008-02-06 18:52 < Arria> Your favorite, NotASheep?
2008-02-06 18:53 * Nick1915 proposes bilingual english-venetian :P
2008-02-06 18:53 < kibble> Pathoschild: I prefer bi
2008-02-06 18:54 < NotASheep> Arria: bi
2008-02-06 18:54 < kibble> wait O_O
2008-02-06 18:54 < NotASheep> we're all bi
2008-02-06 18:54 < kibble> that sounds wrong ;-)
2008-02-06 18:54 < Arria> Trilingual!
2008-02-06 18:54 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-02-06 18:54 * Arria three cheers for bis!
2008-02-06 18:54 < kibble> :-D
2008-02-06 18:54 < masterpersona> I see Pathoschild is happy.
2008-02-06 19:03 < Pathoschild> English only 1 (10%)
2008-02-06 19:03 < Pathoschild> Local language only 3 (30%)
2008-02-06 19:03 < Pathoschild> Bilingual 6 (60%)
2008-02-06 19:03 < Pathoschild> :o
2008-02-06 19:03 < masterpersona> :O
2008-02-06 19:58 < kibble> Pathoschild: O_O
2008-02-06 19:58 < kibble> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Prevert
2008-02-06 19:58 < Pathoschild> Yes, I just broke the template. Hold on. >_>
2008-02-06 19:58 < kibble> :-)
2008-02-06 19:59 < Pathoschild> kibble: How did you notice that so fast, anyway? :P
2008-02-06 19:59 * kibble is evil ;-)
2008-02-06 19:59 < kibble> Pathoschild: I'm looking for people to check translations and that guy just happened to have a messed up page :-P
2008-02-06 19:59 < Pathoschild> :P
2008-02-06 20:00 * Pathoschild is tempted to make the template local-language-only just for the massively simpler code. >_>
2008-02-06 20:00 < kibble> :-)
2008-02-06 20:00 < kibble> no :-P
2008-02-06 20:00 < Pathoschild> :P
2008-02-06 21:10 < Pathoschild> kibble: Did any user pages just break? :P
2008-02-06 21:11 * kibble checks
2008-02-06 21:11 < kibble> I don't think so :-D
2008-02-06 21:11 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-02-06 21:11 < bastique> That guy is a fucking control freak
2008-02-06 21:11 < Pathoschild> huh? o.o
2008-02-06 21:12 < bastique> Alan_C
2008-02-06 21:12 < Pathoschild> :)
2008-02-06 21:12 < Shanel> What're you smiling at.
2008-02-06 21:12 < bastique> Do you think he even realizes why I'm there?
2008-02-06 21:13 < Shanel> Probably not.
2008-02-06 21:13 < kibble> yeah... bastique ... I kinda thinkt he same :-/
2008-02-06 21:13 < Pathoschild> Shanel: It's a non-verbal somewhat-non-committal acknowledgment. :)
2008-02-06 21:13 < Shanel> Ass.
2008-02-06 21:13 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-02-06 21:14 < bastique> you kids
2008-02-06 21:15 < Pathoschild> You overly-serious adults. :)
2008-02-06 21:15 * Shanel tells on Pathoschild.
2008-02-06 21:15 < Shanel> He has a degus colony in his room. :O
2008-02-06 21:16 < Pathoschild> :D
2008-02-06 21:30 < kibble> Pathoschild: hmm... somethign is broken
2008-02-06 21:30 < kibble> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Prevert
2008-02-06 21:30 < kibble> see an-1 and ast-1
2008-02-06 21:30 < kibble> "This user can read and write basic 1."
2008-02-06 21:31 < Pathoschild> >_>
2008-02-06 21:31 * Pathoschild checks the template.
2008-02-06 21:38 < Pathoschild> kibble: Fixed.
2008-02-06 21:39 < kibble> :-D
2008-02-06 21:39 * Pathoschild shakes his fist at the tortuous coding for bilingualism.
2008-02-06 21:40 < kibble> :-)
2008-02-06 21:41 < Shanel> Ha ha.
2008-02-07 08:01 < britty> hello
2008-02-07 08:01 < Effeietsanders> yow
2008-02-07 08:03 < Comets> yo
2008-02-07 08:03 < dungodung> y
2008-02-07 08:05 < Effeietsanders> .
2008-02-07 12:10 * britty goes to take a bath
2008-02-07 12:12 < Submarine> ofuro?
2008-02-07 12:36 < Jhs> DrorK-IL, hoi! how does one set which pages are publicly available on il.wikimedia.org?
2008-02-07 12:36 < Jhs> 'cuz the Norwegian pages are only available for members, which kinda defeats their purpose... ;)
2008-02-07 12:37 < DrorK-IL> Jhs: we are depandant on Brion for this...
2008-02-07 12:37 < DrorK-IL> Jhs: it's indeed a problem
2008-02-07 12:37 < Jhs> ok
2008-02-07 12:37 < Jhs> it should be a MediaWiki: page where one lists which pages are publicly available...
2008-02-07 12:38 < Jhs> i just got a sense that I will be writing a bugzilla bug soon... ;)
2008-02-07 12:38 < DrorK-IL> Jhs: Sounds like it :-)
2008-02-07 12:38 < DrorK-IL> Jhs: It is really an ongoing problem
2008-02-07 12:39 < Jhs> mhm
2008-02-07 12:43 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-02-07 12:43 < Fabexplosive> hey domas
2008-02-07 14:12 < Fabexplosive> ho Arria, jon harald
2008-02-07 14:13 < Jhs_> hi Fabexplosive :)
2008-02-07 15:19 < Mike_H> Any Spanish speakers?
2008-02-07 15:19 < Mike_H> or actually any Latinos/Latinas in general?
2008-02-07 15:22 < effeietsanders> Mike_H: tried #wikipedia-es ?
2008-02-07 15:22 < Viper550> I just made a little "ambox" clone for easy transplantation into a regular MediaWiki installation
2008-02-07 15:23 < Mike_H> effeietsanders: I'd rather not if that's all right
2008-02-07 15:25 < Dmcdevit> Mike_H, I can speak some Spanish.
2008-02-07 15:29 < Mike_H> Dmcdevit: girl, you're whitebread
2008-02-07 15:29 < Mike_H> we need some Latinos.
2008-02-07 15:30 < Dmcdevit> Well, you asked for Spanish speakers, first. :-) I can do that.
2008-02-07 15:30 < Mike_H> Dmcdevit: Well, I thought about it
2008-02-07 15:31 < Mike_H> and it's not necessary that they speak Spanish to have an opinion on it
2008-02-07 15:31 < Mike_H> more important that they be Latino
2008-02-07 15:31 * Dmcdevit wonders if his Mexican grandmother counts for anything. ;-)
2008-02-07 15:31 < Mike_H> oh, maybe
2008-02-07 15:31 < Mike_H> msg
2008-02-07 15:32 < aleichem> parlamus latinum posibilum
2008-02-07 15:32 * Fabexplosive goodnight
2008-02-07 15:32 < Mike_H> Okay, addenda.
2008-02-07 15:32 < Mike_H> If you don't have heritage from Latin America
2008-02-07 15:32 < Mike_H> do not apply.
2008-02-07 15:34 * Dmcdevit pokes DamianFinol.
2008-02-07 16:10 * dungodung slaps COIBot
2008-02-07 16:53 < Zach> i know tinyurl.com urls are disallowed, but what about preview.tinyurl.com urls?
2008-02-07 17:01 < jeblad> How is the resolution Access to nonpublic data to be interpreted? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Access_to_nonpublic_data
2008-02-07 17:01 < jeblad> Deleted contributions are as such nonpublic
2008-02-07 17:02 < jeblad> Also access to OTRS is nonpublic
2008-02-07 17:04 < al_tally> it's different for different things
2008-02-07 17:05 < Monobi> Deleted contributions are not always non public
2008-02-07 17:05 < al_tally> no?
2008-02-07 17:06 < Monobi> no
2008-02-07 17:06 < Monobi> I mean, I guess it's nonpublic, as in the public cant see it
2008-02-07 17:06 < jeblad> A reverted contribution is public, a deleted one is withdrawn from publication
2008-02-07 17:07 < Monobi> but, in R's RFA a few of the pages were undeleted for the time being
2008-02-07 17:07 < jeblad> It is more or less to be viewed as an error accident
2008-02-07 17:07 < MrZ-man> its not public, but its not always sensitive
2008-02-07 17:07 < Monobi> Yes.
2008-02-07 17:07 < Monobi> (:
2008-02-07 17:08 < jeblad> The wording imply that admins has to identify themselcves
2008-02-07 17:08 < al_tally> the whole resolution is crap really..
2008-02-07 17:08 < al_tally> there's so many places where it isn't followed
2008-02-07 17:08 < jeblad> I wonder if whats discussed are in fact privacy and not publicity
2008-02-07 17:09 < MrZ-man> hm?
2008-02-07 17:09 < MrZ-man> "5. Access to deleted revisions on a publicly editable project, such as that held by administrators, is not sufficient to require identification under this policy."
2008-02-07 17:10 < jeblad> I guess I can use 5 as a clause to calm the admins at no.wp
2008-02-07 17:10 < jeblad> :D
2008-02-07 17:10 < jeblad> Problem solved!
2008-02-07 17:11 < MrZ-man> admins were complaining that they shouldn't have access to deleted revisions?
2008-02-07 17:11 < jeblad> Neh, more like someone asking if everyone has to identify themselves
2008-02-07 17:12 < jeblad> There are some people in the norwegian community that are extremly unwilling to identify themselves
2008-02-07 17:12 < al_tally> I would be too
2008-02-07 17:12 < jeblad> Which I sort of understand as there are some very nasty trolls in Norway
2008-02-07 17:12 < al_tally> anyhow OTRS volunteers aren't identified
2008-02-07 17:12 < al_tally> I'm not
2008-02-07 18:50 < brianmc> Anyone got questions they'd like to put to Walter Cronkite?
2008-02-07 18:53 < brianmc> If so see topic in #wikinews
2008-02-07 19:56 * kibble stabs Pathoschild
2008-02-07 19:56 < kibble> you gave in >:|
2008-02-07 19:56 < Pathoschild> Meh.
2008-02-07 19:56 < Shanel> What did he give into?
2008-02-07 19:57 < kibble> Shanel: [[m:Template:User language?action=history]
2008-02-07 19:57 < kibble> ]
2008-02-07 19:57 < Shanel> >:|
2008-02-07 20:01 < Pathoschild> {{#switch:{{{2<noinclude>|N</noinclude>}}}|0|1|2|3|N={{#ifexist:template:user language/{{{1|fr}}}|{{user language/{{{1|fr}}}|text|{{{2|N}}}}}|{{user language/en|text|{{{2}}}|{{{1}}}}}<hr style="width:50%;"><small>''[[Template:User language#Translating the template|Translate this template!]]''</small>}}|'''<invalid fluency level (see [[Template:User language|documentation]]).>'''}}
2008-02-07 20:01 < Pathoschild> Whee, and that's *after* simplifying.
2008-02-07 20:02 < al_tally> lies
2008-02-07 20:02 < Pathoschild> Truths.
2008-02-07 22:40 < nslater> how do you change the logo in the top left of a wikimedia install?
2008-02-07 22:41 < Pathoschild> !man $wglogo
2008-02-07 22:41 < Pathoschild> ...
2008-02-07 22:41 < nslater> huh?
2008-02-07 22:41 < Pathoschild> nslater: Ask in #mediawiki, but you'd use $wglogo. :)
2008-02-07 22:41 < nslater> okay, thanks
2008-02-07 22:52 < Zach> heh
2008-02-07 23:20 < Daniel-Bryant> !meta admin?
2008-02-07 23:21 < Nakon> Daniel-Bryant: what do you need?
2008-02-07 23:21 < Daniel-Bryant> an addition to the interwiki map :)
2008-02-07 23:21 < Nakon> sure, send me a pm
2008-02-08 03:24 < Anthere3> errr
2008-02-08 03:24 < Anthere3> I have a grammatical request
2008-02-08 03:24 < Anthere3> is the following sentence okay ?
2008-02-08 03:24 < Anthere3> it seems odd to me
2008-02-08 03:24 < Anthere3> Wikimedia Foundation announces publication of latest financial statements
2008-02-08 03:24 < Anthere3> does publication exist ?
2008-02-08 03:32 < Mike_H> Anthere3: I would say "Wikimedia Foundation releases latest financial statements"
2008-02-08 03:33 < Mike_H> I'm assuming this is a headline kind of sentence.
2008-02-08 03:35 < Anthere3> okay
2008-02-08 03:35 < Anthere3> I go update
2008-02-08 03:37 < schiste> Oo
2008-02-08 03:37 < schiste> Audit has been released?
2008-02-08 03:38 < Anthere3> yeah
2008-02-08 03:39 < Anthere3> I am cleaning up all fianncial related pages
2008-02-08 03:39 < Anthere3> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Image:Wikimedia_2007_fs.pdf
2008-02-08 03:39 < schiste> I'm reading it ^^
2008-02-08 03:50 < brianmc> Anyone interested in helping with questions for a Wikinews interview? http://tinyurl.com/3akeza
2008-02-08 05:14 < minute-web> Hello, What is the "Wikipedia Working Group" -- I cannot find any information on it via the internet.
2008-02-08 05:31 * minute-web will post to the mailing list later.
2008-02-08 06:23 * dungodung slaps COIBot
2008-02-08 06:25 * Nick1915 slaps dungy
2008-02-08 06:25 * dungodung deslaps self
2008-02-08 06:25 < Nick1915> :D
2008-02-08 07:00 < britty_> can anyone block user:workurban due to personal attack & trolling? http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Japanese_2&curid=71972&diff=871409&oldid=871395&rcid=899480
2008-02-08 07:01 < britty_> !admin
2008-02-08 07:03 < Nick1915> britty_: infinite?
2008-02-08 07:03 < britty_> if possible
2008-02-08 07:03 < britty_> and rollback all edits
2008-02-08 07:04 < britty_> i am personally attacked
2008-02-08 07:04 < Nick1915> done
2008-02-08 07:08 < britty_> thx
2008-02-08 07:10 < Warpath> noo i wanted too :|
2008-02-08 07:10 * Warpath stabs nicky >:(
2008-02-08 07:11 < Nick1915> Warpath: you're too slow :D
2008-02-08 07:11 < Warpath> :~(
2008-02-08 07:11 < Nick1915> :P
2008-02-08 07:11 < Warpath> hmm if you CU it, it will be 100% the same as that German Teacher guy O_O
2008-02-08 07:12 < Nick1915> I can't overrule local CU
2008-02-08 07:12 < Warpath> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Deutschlehrer
2008-02-08 07:12 < Nick1915> ask to herby
2008-02-08 07:12 < Warpath> yeah I know :P
2008-02-08 07:12 < Nick1915> :P