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2008-02-26 22:29 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: How was Bush conservative, again? He was fiscally irresponsible, he got us involved in nation building projects, and he expanded the federal government faster than any Democrat.
2008-02-26 22:29 < Messedrocker> do people want bush to be to the *right* of hitler?
2008-02-26 22:29 < quanticle> Bush is more liberal than Clinton.
2008-02-26 22:29 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - right. All of those are good, conservative values, as defined by recent "conservatives" like Reagan
2008-02-26 22:30 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Reagan wasn't a conservative either. He expanded the government and ran up the debt as well.
2008-02-26 22:30 < Krimpet> Bush is a businessman as far as I can tell - his policies all seem to benefit business, and bloating up our government to aid business
2008-02-26 22:30 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: In fact, before Bush, Reagan held the record for running up the debt.
2008-02-26 22:30 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - yes, I know. That's the no-so-subtle point I am making
2008-02-26 22:31 < Ceiling_Cat> that if you idolize Reagan as the alterpiece of conservatives - and all republicans do - they bush is every bit hte conservative that he was
2008-02-26 22:31 < quanticle> Ah. Right. If you take Reagan as your model, then Bush certainly was conservative...
2008-02-26 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> And when I said that to one of the uber-conservatives in my department, he nearly asploded
2008-02-26 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> but he could not thing of a single thing to retort
2008-02-26 22:32 < quanticle> Though trying to do (Conservative)Ronald_Reagan throws an ClassCastException in my head.
2008-02-26 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> the only difference between Bush and Reagan was that Reagan had a democrat-controlled congress to keep him honset
2008-02-26 22:32 < Ceiling_Cat> honest*
2008-02-26 22:32 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Most conservatives don't have a retort to that. The honest ones admit it, and say that the Republican party needs to be reformed from within.
2008-02-26 22:33 < Ceiling_Cat> well, honest by republican standards, at any rate
2008-02-26 22:33 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - I think they need another 40 years in the minority
2008-02-26 22:33 < Ceiling_Cat> it'll be good for them
2008-02-26 22:34 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Heh. I'm pretty sure that the Republicans have screwed up the country whenever they've been elected. However, they do make a very nice minority party.
2008-02-26 22:34 * Ceiling_Cat agrees
2008-02-26 22:35 * Ceiling_Cat ambles off
2008-02-26 22:35 < Ceiling_Cat> :)
2008-02-26 22:35 < quanticle> They are conservative in this respect - they can expertly spoil other people's initiatives, but they're no good at coming up with initiative on their own.
2008-02-26 22:35 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Bye.
2008-02-26 22:35 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - oh no, quite the contrary
2008-02-26 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> as Lewis Black says
2008-02-26 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> The democrats are the party of no ideas
2008-02-26 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> and the republicans are the party of bad ideas
2008-02-26 22:36 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-02-26 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> like privactizing social security
2008-02-26 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> or the iraq war
2008-02-26 22:36 < quanticle> That's brilliant...
2008-02-26 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> or no child left behind
2008-02-26 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> or the clinton impeachment
2008-02-26 22:36 < Ceiling_Cat> or putting buisness lobbyists in charge of the EPA, FDA, NASA, DOD,
2008-02-26 22:37 < Tony_Sidaway> The Clinton Impeachment was funny.
2008-02-26 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> FCC
2008-02-26 22:37 < quanticle> I still didn't get the point of that. How was Clinton's lying about an affair "high crime or treason?"
2008-02-26 22:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Humor
2008-02-26 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> Dept. of the Interior, and the list goes on and on
2008-02-26 22:37 < Ceiling_Cat> ...and on and on and on
2008-02-26 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - perjury is a crime
2008-02-26 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> and it's not high crime and treason
2008-02-26 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> it's "high crimes and misdemenaors"
2008-02-26 22:38 < quanticle> Ah.
2008-02-26 22:38 * Mike_H NP: Oxo - Whirly Girl (1983)
2008-02-26 22:38 < Tony_Sidaway> During the Clinton affair, I got a genuine sense of innocent outrage from a number of Americans, at the very thought that a politician might lie. I nearly wet my pants laughing at that.
2008-02-26 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> The impeachment option was created to deal with people like Bush, not Clinton.
2008-02-26 22:38 < quanticle> So high crimes and misdemeanors is another way of saying "felonies and misdemeanors?"
2008-02-26 22:38 < Ceiling_Cat> There are *so* many valid reasons to impeach Bush
2008-02-26 22:39 < Mike_H> Tony_Sidaway: It wasn't so much that a president lied, but committed adultery and then lied about that.
2008-02-26 22:39 < Ceiling_Cat> history will condemn the democrats for not doing it
2008-02-26 22:39 < Mike_H> Say what you will about how *Europeans* may feel about that
2008-02-26 22:39 < Mike_H> but in a wide swath of America
2008-02-26 22:39 < Mike_H> lying isn't acceptable
2008-02-26 22:39 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: And even more reason to impeach Cheney.
2008-02-26 22:39 < Mike_H> neither is adultery
2008-02-26 22:39 < Gracenotes> Ceiling_Cat: at least, with Democrat control of congress, they could send out subpoenas
2008-02-26 22:39 < Mike_H> and those coupled together, by the #1 man in the country
2008-02-26 22:39 < Gracenotes> some, anyway
2008-02-26 22:39 < Tony_Sidaway> Mike_H: politicians lie. It's their job.
2008-02-26 22:39 < Mike_H> that didn't sit well with A LOT of peopl.
2008-02-26 22:39 < Ceiling_Cat> Mike_H - except that they spent $50 million investigating clinton and never found a cintilla of wrongdoing
2008-02-26 22:39 < gwern> 'Two factors limit the usefulness of ELF communications channels; the low data transmission rate of a few characters per minute, and to a lesser extent the one-way nature due to the impracticality of installing a huge transmitter on a submarine. Generally ELF signals were used to order a submarine to rise to a shallow depth where it could receive some other form of communication.' <-- wow. I knew ELF wasn't high-bandwidth, but I ...
2008-02-26 22:39 < Ceiling_Cat> it was a witch-hunt if ever there was one
2008-02-26 22:39 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: Whatever, he pissed me off.
2008-02-26 22:39 < gwern> ... didn't relaize it was on the order of bits per minute
2008-02-26 22:40 < Mike_H> And he pissed off a lot of Americans.
2008-02-26 22:40 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: It'll be difficult to condemn Congressional Democrats for not impeaching Bush when they were in the minority for six years.
2008-02-26 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> let me put it this way -- the house held 300 hours investigating the rumors that clinton's staff damanged the white house when they left office (removing all the W's from keyboards and whatnot)
2008-02-26 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> the house spent 12 hours investingating 9/11
2008-02-26 22:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Does anyone else feel these are misplaced priorities?
2008-02-26 22:40 < quanticle> gwern: That's from a book that I've read. I don't remember the title, but I do remember that it wasn't a very good book.
2008-02-26 22:41 < Messedrocker> well wasn't much of the investigation done by the 9/11 commission?
2008-02-26 22:41 < Ceiling_Cat> Messedrocker- you mean the Commission that Bush spent 2 years refusing to impanel?
2008-02-26 22:41 < gwern> quanticle: was the book called en.wikipedia.org?
2008-02-26 22:41 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Wasn't that the 9/11 Commission? I think the 9/11 Commission report is actually quite good as far as analysis and "lessons learned" are concerned.
2008-02-26 22:41 < Ceiling_Cat> Within a week of Pearl Harbor, the president appointed a special commission to investigate what happened and who was to blame
2008-02-26 22:41 < quanticle> gwern: No.
2008-02-26 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Bush spent 2 years refusing to have any investigation, and then when it did happen, he refused to give any on-the-record discussion
2008-02-26 22:42 < quanticle> gwern: But the author may have stolen it from Wiki. It was a fiction book, after all.
2008-02-26 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - except for the many things we have found out since then
2008-02-26 22:42 * gwern reads [[Superoptimization]] with displeasure. sure, I probably should've expected such an obvious idea to've already been described in the literature, but I had hoped
2008-02-26 22:42 < Tony_Sidaway> As a society, Americans are among the most adultery-prone, crime-prone people I've ever met. And yet they persist in an unrealistic belief that their politicians, of all people, are above all that.
2008-02-26 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Like [[Able danger]] and all that
2008-02-26 22:42 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Right, but you can't blame the Commission for Bush refusing to appear. They didn't have the power to make him.
2008-02-26 22:42 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Able Danger]]
2008-02-26 22:42 < Tony_Sidaway> America even makes heroes of its criminals.
2008-02-26 22:43 < Demi> Tony_Sidaway - how do you measure degrees of adultery... prone... ness?
2008-02-26 22:43 < gwern> like good ol' Oliver North
2008-02-26 22:43 < Demi> Tony_Sidaway - and not the only ones, of course, viz. Ned Kelly
2008-02-26 22:43 < Tony_Sidaway> All those disgusting Godfather stories. One of them is widely held to be the greatest film ever made.
2008-02-26 22:43 < quanticle> gwern: Ollie North has his own show on Fox News now.
2008-02-26 22:43 < Demi> (though i guess that sort of thing would be rampant among australians)
2008-02-26 22:43 < Ceiling_Cat> According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and those of four others, Able Danger had identified the September 11, 2001, attacks leader Mohamed Atta, and three of the 9/11 plot's other 19 hijackers, as possible members of an al Qaeda cell linked to the '93 World Trade Center bombing. This theory was heavily promoted by Republican Representative Curt Weldon, vice chairman of the House Armed Services and House Homeland Security committees.
2008-02-26 22:43 < Ceiling_Cat> In December 2006, an investigation by the US Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that those assertions were unfounded. It rejected as untrue "one of the most disturbing claims about the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes."[3] The committee has published a letter to its members as a result of these hearings, dated December 22, 2006. However, witness testimony from these hearings is not publicly available.
2008-02-26 22:43 < quanticle> gwern: It breaks my heart a little every time I come across that show while channel surfing.
2008-02-26 22:44 < gwern> '"Look Muriel" said Gladys; "Julia has got a small prick in her skirt."
2008-02-26 22:44 < gwern> "Not for the first time either," replied Gladys; "That little slut makes Monica Lewinsky look like a girl-guide."'
2008-02-26 22:44 < Tony_Sidaway> Demi: good point. Incidence of multiple marriage, which was my proxy, could well be due to affluence or something.
2008-02-26 22:44 < gwern> quanticle: yet another reason to avoid fox, as if I needed one
2008-02-26 22:44 < quanticle> gwern: Yeah. I believe the show is called "American Heroes with Oliver North" or some similar drivel like that.
2008-02-26 22:44 < Demi> Tony_Sidaway - incidence of adultery seems to be at roughly a third here for both sexes, i'd assumed (but don't know) that it was roughly the same in other countries
2008-02-26 22:45 < gwern> oh god
2008-02-26 22:45 < quanticle> Yes. They called Ollie North an "American Hero".
2008-02-26 22:45 < Tony_Sidaway> I am really not a fan of Bush, but impeachment would never succeed. (1) he did heaps of bad things but that's what Presidents are expected to do and theyu will make mistakes, and (2) it wouldn't be as amusing as the Clinton thing. The ratings would be shit.
2008-02-26 22:46 < Ceiling_Cat> Tony_Sidaway - he's a war criminal
2008-02-26 22:46 < quanticle> Tony_Sidaway: I'm convinced that one of the reasons the Clinton impeachment got as much play as it did was because the news anchors could talk about oral sex on the air.
2008-02-26 22:46 < Ceiling_Cat> He lied to the American people to convince us to fight an unnecessary war. We hanged nazis at Nuremberg for fighting wars of aggression
2008-02-26 22:46 < Demi> it was a good full employment measure for jay leno as well
2008-02-26 22:47 < Tony_Sidaway> It was plmmeting ratings that did for Senator Tower in the end.
2008-02-26 22:47 < Ceiling_Cat> How is what he did any different than what Von Ribbentrop was hanged for?
2008-02-26 22:47 < Demi> Ceiling_Cat - the united states is still in power
2008-02-26 22:47 < gwern> iirc, didn't we execute people for waterboarding?
2008-02-26 22:48 < Demi> its laws prevail, and he was given the authority to prosecute this war by congress
2008-02-26 22:48 < Ceiling_Cat> gwern - yes, in fact we did
2008-02-26 22:48 < gwern> 'You are in circular orbit around a planet. You are being overtaken by another object, also in circular orbit, moving several km./sec. faster. You accelerate to try and catch up. \n See you later, accelerator. \n *Much* later.'
2008-02-26 22:48 < Demi> i would be open to the option of also hanging congresspersons
2008-02-26 22:48 < Tony_Sidaway> quanticle: and cummy dresses! And unorthodox sex toys!
2008-02-26 22:48 < Demi> Tony_Sidaway - also she was fat
2008-02-26 22:49 < Tony_Sidaway> I thought she was cute, myself. Not my type, but not really that bad.
2008-02-26 22:50 < Demi> she actually is my type
2008-02-26 22:50 < Demi> but there's a derision value in being fat
2008-02-26 22:50 < Tony_Sidaway> I'm watching this ridiculous Space 1999 episode featuring Richard Chamberlain and Joan Collins dressed in yards and yards of curtain material.
2008-02-26 22:51 < Mike_H> and that's different from Joan Collins...say, on a Tuesday, how?
2008-02-26 22:52 < Tony_Sidaway> Sara Ferguson was fat but apparently she'd doing quite well in Tampa or somewhere now.
2008-02-26 22:52 < Demi> she has a successful recording career now after a stint with the black-eyed peas
2008-02-26 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> WHOA
2008-02-26 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> On February 22, 2008 Senator Sheldon Whitehouse made public that "the Justice Department has announced it has launched an investigation of the role of top DOJ officials and staff attorneys in authorizing and/or overseeing the use of waterboarding by U.S. intelligence agencies."[112]
2008-02-26 22:55 < Ceiling_Cat> http://whitehouse.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=293379&
2008-02-26 23:02 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: See, the Democrats are launching investigations, but everything they're doing has an air of "too little, too late" about it.
2008-02-26 23:03 < quanticle> In the sense that Bush administration only has to stall for a little more than a year, and they they'll be off scot free.
2008-02-26 23:03 < quanticle> Oh. Ceiling_Cat's gone...
2008-02-26 23:03 < quanticle> :(
2008-02-26 23:03 < quanticle> I rather enjoyed that discussion.
2008-02-26 23:21 < AzaTht> hope I did it all right: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:TPI1_structure.png
2008-02-26 23:32 < DannyLilithborne> can someone help me out? i bit a newbie, but his contribs are still horrible
2008-02-26 23:32 < DannyLilithborne> need a revert and someone other than me to talk to him
2008-02-26 23:39 < denelson83> wikislow
2008-02-26 23:46 < themayor> are there any editors in here that can delete a page for me?
2008-02-26 23:47 < denelson83> What page?
2008-02-26 23:51 < denelson83> Wiki-f'ing-slow!
2008-02-27 00:00 < DannyLilithborne> revert on [[Zangief]] plz
2008-02-27 00:02 < quanticle> DannyLilithborne: Which edit are you talking about? The one by JuJube?
2008-02-27 00:02 < denelson83> JuJube IS DannyLilithborne
2008-02-27 00:03 < denelson83> There's a 3RR warning in place on that article
2008-02-27 00:03 < quanticle> Oh. Ok.
2008-02-27 00:03 < quanticle> I get it.
2008-02-27 00:03 < quanticle> Its been rollback'd
2008-02-27 00:04 < Mark_Ryan> rollback'd? or roll'dback?
2008-02-27 00:04 < AzaTht> also went to make http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ricin_structure.png to supersede http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Ricin_structure.jpg
2008-02-27 00:04 < DannyLilithborne> yeah that's me
2008-02-27 00:04 < DannyLilithborne> uhh
2008-02-27 00:04 < DannyLilithborne> i was a bit mean to him at first :(
2008-02-27 00:05 < quanticle> Mark_Ryan: roll'dback, I guess.
2008-02-27 00:05 < DannyLilithborne> I'm the big possum, BITEy
2008-02-27 00:05 < AzaTht> hope it's good enough
2008-02-27 00:05 < quanticle> DannyLilithborne: You should really get a IRC cloak to make the connection between you and JuJube more obvious.
2008-02-27 00:06 < denelson83> So how does one get an IRC cloak?
2008-02-27 00:06 < AzaTht> depends
2008-02-27 00:07 < Mark_Ryan> there's a page on meta or the toolserver or something where one requests one, after performing several actions
2008-02-27 00:07 < DannyLilithborne> well, [[User:Danny Lilithborne]] redirects to [[User:JuJube]] ^_^
2008-02-27 00:07 < quanticle> Yeah, I didn't bother to check that. I just looked at the page in question.
2008-02-27 00:07 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-02-27 00:08 < Mark_Ryan> hullo
2008-02-27 00:08 < Mark_Ryan> and good bye
2008-02-27 00:08 < Mark_Ryan> I have to restart (I just uninstalled about 10 programs in a row)
2008-02-27 00:09 < AzaTht> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cloak
2008-02-27 00:11 < denelson83> Done. Now I wait
2008-02-27 00:14 < DannyLilithborne> it seems like my name is too long
2008-02-27 00:14 < denelson83> Stupid slow wikic**t
2008-02-27 00:16 < denelson83> sierra lima oscar whiskey
2008-02-27 00:17 < r00m> = slow
2008-02-27 00:17 < denelson83> exactly!
2008-02-27 00:17 < r00m> :)
2008-02-27 00:18 < denelson83> That's what wiki is right now >:(
2008-02-27 00:18 < DannyLilithborne> well quanticle
2008-02-27 00:19 < DannyLilithborne> Tdws4050 reberted
2008-02-27 00:19 < DannyLilithborne> :\
2008-02-27 00:19 < quanticle> We need more people to fight back against this guy, otherwise we're both going to run into the 3RR
2008-02-27 00:20 < denelson83> Tdws4050 blocked for 24 hours
2008-02-27 00:21 < DannyLilithborne> aww i was gonna do the report
2008-02-27 00:22 < DannyLilithborne> denelson revert?
2008-02-27 00:22 < denelson83> wilco
2008-02-27 00:22 < denelson83> done
2008-02-27 00:22 < DannyLilithborne> domo arigato mr. denelto
2008-02-27 00:22 < denelson83> XD
2008-02-27 00:23 < bumm13> hiya ggreer
2008-02-27 00:23 < ggreer> 'sup
2008-02-27 00:24 < bumm13> slept away most of the day :x
2008-02-27 00:24 < ggreer> heh
2008-02-27 00:24 < bumm13> I should go grocery shopping later tonight :)
2008-02-27 00:25 < Werdna> mmm. organising responses to content disputes
2008-02-27 00:26 < quanticle> bumm13: What timezone are you in?
2008-02-27 00:28 < bumm13> Pacific (UTC -8)
2008-02-27 00:28 < bumm13> the grocery store I shop at is open 24 hr.
2008-02-27 00:29 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-27 00:30 < Daniel_Bush> "You know, I have been a critic of NAFTA from the very beginning. I didn't have a public position on it, because I was part of the administration"
2008-02-27 00:30 < Daniel_Bush> How stupid is that? I do not understand
2008-02-27 00:30 < Daniel_Bush> "I didn't care about something the administration did because I was part of it"
2008-02-27 00:32 < bumm13> quite
2008-02-27 00:33 < Daniel_Bush> I mean, even if she privately opposed it, it's detrimental to her "35 years of experience" claim, because it's a case of her not being enough of a "co-governor" to influence things
2008-02-27 00:35 < researchsocial> hi all, is it possible to help me do a survey on wikipedia...i really need 8 more respondents
2008-02-27 00:35 < researchsocial> http://www.my3q.com/home2/202/researchsocial/nuswiki.phtml
2008-02-27 00:38 < bumm13> :x
2008-02-27 00:39 < quanticle> Heh. I'd like to help, but I've already taken the survey...
2008-02-27 00:40 < r00m> they r gone already I think.
2008-02-27 00:41 * FastLizard4|busy is now going to bed, good night!
2008-02-27 00:56 < Daniel_Bush> Senator Clinton sounds like the Nomad space probe from the Star Trek episode The Changeling
2008-02-27 01:01 < NotACow> whee
2008-02-27 01:01 < NotACow> Daniel_Bush: clinton is the most boring speaker
2008-02-27 01:01 < NotACow> Daniel_Bush: more than once during the "debate" i found myself forgetting what she was talking about
2008-02-27 01:02 < DannyLilithborne> :\
2008-02-27 01:12 < Daniel_Bush> "I would also say that you can go back and look at from the very beginning -- I think David Gergen was on TV today remembering that I was very skeptical about it." Huh, isn't that the CNN panelist that they use for pro-Clinton commentary?
2008-02-27 01:14 < Daniel_Bush> I take much longer reading transcripts than watching the debate because I have to research and validate my outrage
2008-02-27 01:26 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, the joy of OTRS
2008-02-27 01:26 < AppleBoy> hahaha
2008-02-27 01:26 * AppleBoy almost feels bad for Ceil
2008-02-27 01:26 < Ceiling_Cat> we just got one of those rarest of emails, the combined legal/death threat
2008-02-27 01:26 < AppleBoy> Ceiling_Cat:
2008-02-27 01:26 < AppleBoy> lol
2008-02-27 01:26 < AppleBoy> Ceiling_Cat: linky?
2008-02-27 01:26 < Ceiling_Cat> No
2008-02-27 01:26 < AppleBoy> :(
2008-02-27 01:26 < Ceiling_Cat> (OTRS, nonpublic)
2008-02-27 01:27 < Luna-San> This is crucial: are they going to kill you or sue you, first?
2008-02-27 01:27 < AppleBoy> lol
2008-02-27 01:28 < quanticle> I don't know if I'd want death first, or the lawsuit first.
2008-02-27 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> Roughly in order: report us to the FBI, the secret service. He then asked us for our address, and said he was contacting the attorney general of florida. Then he threatned to kill us
2008-02-27 01:28 < bumm13> haha
2008-02-27 01:28 < bumm13> what a nut
2008-02-27 01:28 < The359> Over what, exactly?
2008-02-27 01:28 < Ceiling_Cat> His article
2008-02-27 01:28 < AppleBoy> lmfao
2008-02-27 01:29 < The359> What, he wrote something on Wikipedia, and someone else copied it?
2008-02-27 01:29 < Ceiling_Cat> No, he has an article on Wikipedia, and doesn't like what it says
2008-02-27 01:29 < The359> oh, an article on him
2008-02-27 01:29 < The359> gotcha
2008-02-27 01:30 < Ceiling_Cat> so the really fun ones like that get forwarded to Mike Godwin
2008-02-27 01:30 < AppleBoy> Ceiling_Cat: check pm
2008-02-27 01:30 < AppleBoy> 60
2008-02-27 01:30 < AppleBoy> whoops
2008-02-27 01:31 < quanticle> Heh. Godwin's law
2008-02-27 01:31 < quanticle> Whenever you say Mike Godwin...
2008-02-27 01:31 < quanticle> I mean, I just can't resist!
2008-02-27 01:31 < The359> wut
2008-02-27 01:31 < Daniel_Bush> I'm going to bet it was someone from Florida in Congress
2008-02-27 01:32 < quanticle> The359: Mike Godwin is the head legal counsel for Wikimedia foundation
2008-02-27 01:32 < Daniel_Bush> or a candidate for Congress
2008-02-27 01:32 < quanticle> Hence, Godwin's law...
2008-02-27 01:32 < The359> whatev
2008-02-27 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> ok, time for bed
2008-02-27 01:33 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight folks!
2008-02-27 01:33 < bumm13> _o/
2008-02-27 01:34 < quanticle> 'night everyone...
2008-02-27 01:35 < AppleBoy> whoops
2008-02-27 01:37 < Daniel_Bush> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Living.statue.in.rome.arp.jpg/770px-Living.statue.in.rome.arp.jpg Wikipedia has a good [[living statue]] article
2008-02-27 01:37 < Daniel_Bush> I almost want to step on his feet to be sure it's inanimate
2008-02-27 01:43 < Luna-San> That is a nice pic. Only off thing I can see (and this is nitpicking) is the bottom of his shoe.
2008-02-27 01:43 < Luna-San> Wonder what sort of texture his clothes have, painted up with whatever that is. o.o
2008-02-27 01:49 < Daniel_Bush> Going through the transcript still...at the point where Clinton is saying it was easy for Obama to be against the war because "he didn't have the responsibility" while she was in the Senate and he was in a state legislature
2008-02-27 01:49 < Daniel_Bush> but simultaneously she says he was right to have given the speech
2008-02-27 01:50 < Daniel_Bush> So she's saying it was hard for her to be against the war because she had responsibility of being in the Senate and being accountable to voters? I'm trying hard to digest this
2008-02-27 01:51 < Luna-San> "Hey, man, you weren't THERE."
2008-02-27 01:52 < Luna-San> Though she probably does have a point; he had nothing to lose, she (might have|did).
2008-02-27 01:52 < Daniel_Bush> She also said Obama wants to bomb Pakistan...that's the exact same caricature Bush holds to be true. He says Obama would embrace Ahmadinejad and attack Pakistan.
2008-02-27 01:53 < Luna-San> But it comes across a bit oddly. Sort of like saying "I really wanted to vote against the war, but eh! Some people told me to, so I was a pushover and did."
2008-02-27 01:54 < Daniel_Bush> All four candidates on the stage during the South Carolina debate said military action was on the table for Pakistan only if they refused to cooperate in hunting al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups
2008-02-27 01:54 < bumm13> terrorist groups, roffle
2008-02-27 01:54 < Daniel_Bush> I recall Clinton saying "I agree." What prompted the change in her view of Obama's position?
2008-02-27 02:04 < nokmar> what happened to the rest of the topic?
2008-02-27 02:04 < slashem> does something else need to be said?
2008-02-27 02:05 < nokmar> the latest and greatest news on how the toolserver has crashed again
2008-02-27 02:05 < Daniel_Bush> When did #wikipedia lose the wikitopic
2008-02-27 02:05 < Daniel_Bush> Now the only channel I know with a wikitopic is #xkcd
2008-02-27 02:06 < nokmar> I hate that channel
2008-02-27 02:07 < AppleBoy> oh god
2008-02-27 02:07 < Daniel_Bush> They banned me from there listing the reason (lol cocks)
2008-02-27 02:08 < nokmar> =P
2008-02-27 02:08 < nokmar> there's way too many wannabe-nerds over there
2008-02-27 02:09 < slashem> I never thought I would see the term "wannabe nerd"
2008-02-27 02:09 < nokmar> I never thought I would see people as lame as those in #xkcd
2008-02-27 02:10 < Daniel_Bush> On the Internet, nerds are the cool crowd
2008-02-27 02:11 < Daniel_Bush> and your nerd cred is measured not in solving advanced differential equations or wearing a pocket protector with suspenders and glasses like the stereotype,
2008-02-27 02:11 < slashem> I was dating this woman and met her 13 year old daughter who decided to test my "coolness" by asking me if I knew what all these acronyms stood for, like ... LOL, ROFL, etc. etc. It was really hilarious.
2008-02-27 02:11 < Daniel_Bush> but more like "I been to Wikipedia n' Digg n' Slashdot,"
2008-02-27 02:11 < r00m> oh and don't 4 get 4chan
2008-02-27 02:11 < slashem> i have never experienced 4chan
2008-02-27 02:11 < slashem> only heard about it here
2008-02-27 02:12 < Cyrius> I've loaded 4chan
2008-02-27 02:12 < Cyrius> then said "I don't get it"
2008-02-27 02:12 < Cyrius> and left
2008-02-27 02:12 < r00m> hmm, maybe Im wrong,, maybe that is the nerd hang out
2008-02-27 02:12 < Asty[FOAD]> heh
2008-02-27 02:12 < Asty[FOAD]> 4chan is everything I hate about the internet
2008-02-27 02:12 < Daniel_Bush> People introduced to computers recently, especially +50's people, tend to think they're technologically apt and stylish when they think, "I know just how to respond to that question," and they bask in their wittiness as they hunt and peck for the "l" and "o" keys
2008-02-27 02:12 < slashem> myspace is pretty much everything I hate about the internet
2008-02-27 02:12 < Asty[FOAD]> slashem: That too
2008-02-27 02:13 < Cyrius> and Wikipedia, that site sucks
2008-02-27 02:13 < Asty[FOAD]> I have a personal policy of only using myspace to hear trakcs from a band I'm really interested in but with the proviso that they have to have a proper website as well
2008-02-27 02:13 < Asty[FOAD]> If they only have a myspace, I won't visit it.
2008-02-27 02:13 < slashem> Wikipedia is ... strange
2008-02-27 02:14 < slashem> it doesn't fit in with the internet I know
2008-02-27 02:15 < slashem> maybe because I have a perspective as an insider
2008-02-27 02:15 < slashem> to an average user it is just like a bunch of random factoid pages collected in one place
2008-02-27 02:15 < nokmar> um
2008-02-27 02:16 < Luna-San> It's really hard to keep perspective with how an outside reader might look at us all. That's probably bad.
2008-02-27 02:16 < nokmar> in my school, it is viewed as god of information
2008-02-27 02:16 < nokmar> whatever it says must be true
2008-02-27 02:16 < slashem> we really need a constant influx of newbies
2008-02-27 02:16 < slashem> I think we are losing that
2008-02-27 02:16 < r00m> at my school its viewed as the devil of information
2008-02-27 02:16 < nokmar> we have the vandals
2008-02-27 02:17 < slashem> I've never seen an organization that simultaneously encouraged everyone to participate and had an actual goal
2008-02-27 02:17 < r00m> If we cite wikipedia on a paper is is automatic failer.
2008-02-27 02:17 < r00m> *it is
2008-02-27 02:18 < Randomtime> for you?
2008-02-27 02:18 < Randomtime> that sucks
2008-02-27 02:18 < r00m> yeah,, collage sucks.
2008-02-27 02:18 < r00m> at least mine does ne way
2008-02-27 02:18 < r00m> but its good I work harder and get smarter I guess.
2008-02-27 02:18 < slashem> if I was a teacher I wouldn't want my students to cite wikipedia
2008-02-27 02:18 < Randomtime> Explain that "people who use wikipedia smartly (look at history - sources), can use wikipedia well"
2008-02-27 02:19 < r00m> yeah thats what I do. jump to the sources.
2008-02-27 02:19 < slashem> the best use of wikipedia is to teach critical thinking skills
2008-02-27 02:20 < slashem> for example, careful source selection can be very deceptive
2008-02-27 02:20 < r00m> yeah thats true,,
2008-02-27 02:21 < r00m> I never thought about that.
2008-02-27 02:21 < Daniel_Bush> Spock compared Kirk's role in breaking a society dependent on a computer to bring them paradise to Satan giving Adam and Eve a forbidden fruit...and Kirk said "Do we know anyone here that even slightly resembles Satan?" "Why, no, Jim." "I thought you'd say that."
2008-02-27 02:21 < Daniel_Bush> Captain Kirk's an ass
2008-02-27 02:22 < The359> He's poking fun at his buddy
2008-02-27 02:23 < slashem> then there was the explanation of Spock's ears as the result of an accident with "an automatic rice picking machine"
2008-02-27 02:24 < The359> yeah, he tried to pass him off as a Chinaman
2008-02-27 02:24 < Daniel_Bush> From The City on the Edge of Forever?
2008-02-27 02:24 < slashem> correct
2008-02-27 02:24 < The359> yes
2008-02-27 02:24 < slashem> see, wikipedians do know everything
2008-02-27 02:26 < Luna-San> You've just gotta ask the right ones.
2008-02-27 02:26 < slashem> or the right questions
2008-02-27 02:26 < Luna-San> I should consult SPUI for directions, over Googlemaps.
2008-02-27 02:26 < slashem> aslee?
2008-02-27 02:27 < Luna-San> p
2008-02-27 02:27 < slashem> :-P
2008-02-27 02:29 < Daniel_Bush> Star Trek fans that dress up like Vulcans and act like them in-character like living statues seem to intersect with the Goth crowd someho
2008-02-27 02:29 < Daniel_Bush> -w.
2008-02-27 02:30 < Daniel_Bush> Also, going back to the mention of #xkcd, #xkcd-signal is a less stupid place, but if you slip up and type "Yes," to something, you get muted for increasingly long amounts of time. 2 seconds^x, where x is the amount of times you've been muted, with it being cut in half every 6 hours.
2008-02-27 02:31 < slashem> that's hilarious
2008-02-27 02:31 < nokmar> it's ghey
2008-02-27 02:32 < nokmar> there's also a moderator who mutes you if you say "Ye s" or something
2008-02-27 02:33 < Daniel_Bush> Any other fans of Monk here?
2008-02-27 02:33 < Daniel_Bush> I hope they wrap up the Trudy murder mystery next season
2008-02-27 02:33 < boydean_> Monk is awesome
2008-02-27 02:34 < Daniel_Bush> I really thought they were close to finding the guy that hired the car bomber when they showed the sheriff on the cell phone
2008-02-27 02:35 < Daniel_Bush> but the guy that hired him to kill the governor was a different guy than the other one that hired him in the end
2008-02-27 03:00 < Tony_Sidaway> Isn't there some sort of guideline against using those horrible flag things instead of country names?
2008-02-27 03:00 < Tony_Sidaway> WP:FLAGSDIE or something
2008-02-27 03:00 < slashem> I never saw the problem with that actually
2008-02-27 03:01 < slashem> I thought they were cute, but not important enough to fight over
2008-02-27 03:01 < Tony_Sidaway> Well it fucks with my eyes for one thing. I'm trying to read a sentence of English and then I have to jump out of English mode and try to work out which country some horrible tiny little colored smudge is supported to represent.
2008-02-27 03:01 < slashem> then there was the guy who swore he would edit-war over them
2008-02-27 03:02 < slashem> now an admin, go figure
2008-02-27 03:02 < slashem> well they should always be used _with_ the country name
2008-02-27 03:02 < Tony_Sidaway> trouble is sometimes they aren't.
2008-02-27 03:03 < slashem> well that would be a different question
2008-02-27 03:03 < Tony_Sidaway> It's like going back to nursery school
2008-02-27 03:03 < slashem> I don't think they should be used alone either
2008-02-27 03:03 < slashem> but I think it's nice to have a spot of color
2008-02-27 03:03 < slashem> it's not like it's some huge image dominating the article
2008-02-27 03:04 < Tony_Sidaway> Well if it's the same size as the words, it certainly dominates the sentence.
2008-02-27 03:04 < slashem> I don't know which example you are talking about, in the examples I've seen its about the size of one word, five characters
2008-02-27 03:05 < slashem> and I probably wouldn't embed it in ordinary prose
2008-02-27 03:05 < slashem> table contents most likely
2008-02-27 03:05 < slashem> the example I was thinking about was in dabtext
2008-02-27 03:06 < weigandwood> hi
2008-02-27 03:06 < slashem> hello
2008-02-27 03:06 < weigandwood> how i can join the german wikipedia channel?
2008-02-27 03:06 < denelson83> #de.wikipedia ?
2008-02-27 03:06 < slashem> or maybe #de-wikipedia
2008-02-27 03:06 < weigandwood> yes.. with /join or?
2008-02-27 03:06 < slashem> with /join
2008-02-27 03:06 < slashem> you can get a list iwth /list
2008-02-27 03:07 < weigandwood> thx
2008-02-27 03:07 < slashem> yw
2008-02-27 03:07 < slashem> maybe #wikipedia-de
2008-02-27 03:08 < denelson83> That's the one
2008-02-27 03:10 < Luna-San> Yeah, flags make sense in tables.
2008-02-27 03:10 < Luna-San> In prose, though? Eh.
2008-02-27 03:10 < denelson83> FLAG!
2008-02-27 03:11 < Daniel_Bush_> ('; injecting ' into Wikipedia tables via search engine as an SQL exploit;)
2008-02-27 03:11 < Daniel_Bush_> Is that how you do it
2008-02-27 03:11 < Daniel_Bush_> I need to go back to xkcd to teach me
2008-02-27 03:11 < denelson83> Uh, what?
2008-02-27 03:11 < slashem> oh, the kid with a SQL exploit name?
2008-02-27 03:12 < IceKarma> "Little Bobby Tables, we call him..."
2008-02-27 03:12 < brown_cat> OMG I LOVE THIS SONG! :D
2008-02-27 03:12 * slashem runs screaming onto the dance floor
2008-02-27 03:12 < brown_cat> "I need a gun to keep myself from harm" ^_^
2008-02-27 03:13 * slashem runs screaming away from brown_cat
2008-02-27 03:13 < weigandwed> good morning every one
2008-02-27 03:13 * brown_cat cuddles slashem
2008-02-27 03:13 < slashem> looks familiar
2008-02-27 03:13 < brown_cat> slashem: what's wrong?
2008-02-27 03:13 < denelson83> weigandwed = weigandwood
2008-02-27 03:13 < slashem> no guns please
2008-02-27 03:13 < denelson83> hello
2008-02-27 03:13 * slashem is afraid of guns
2008-02-27 03:14 < brown_cat> slashem: i hate guns, it is a line from a gorillaz song
2008-02-27 03:14 * slashem is afraid of gorillaz
2008-02-27 03:14 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-27 03:14 < brown_cat> [[Dirty Harry]]
2008-02-27 03:14 < Luna-San> Well, there were the guys who got a Darwin Award after playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic handgun...
2008-02-27 03:14 < weigandwed> yes
2008-02-27 03:15 < weigandwed> they couldnt help me in the german room
2008-02-27 03:15 < slashem> what is your question?
2008-02-27 03:15 < weigandwed> i need a presentation for my own user site
2008-02-27 03:15 < slashem> hm
2008-02-27 03:15 < slashem> I don't think we will be able to help you either
2008-02-27 03:16 < Daniel_Bush_> Why are Klingons so different in TOS than TNG
2008-02-27 03:16 < Luna-San> Praxis.
2008-02-27 03:16 < Daniel_Bush_> Klingons come across in TOS as Gold Rush era cheating, lying town drunks
2008-02-27 03:17 < Luna-San> Political correctness?
2008-02-27 03:17 < Aqwis> everyone come across in TOS as cheating town drunks
2008-02-27 03:17 < slashem> a trekkie friend explained it to me like this: in the ST movie they didn't want to explain the difference between klingons and romulans, so klingons became romulans
2008-02-27 03:17 < slashem> and they were saddled with that choice forever after for continuity
2008-02-27 03:18 < Daniel_Bush_> Give them a pickaxe and a little pan with holes in them and they'd fit right in 1849 California
2008-02-27 03:18 < Luna-San> That... seems pretty lame
2008-02-27 03:18 < weigandwed> here is an example what i like to create for my user site too http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Julius1990/Pers6nliches
2008-02-27 03:18 < slashem> well, that isn't the lamest thing my trekkie friend said to me
2008-02-27 03:18 < IceKarma> the lyrics to TOS's theme song are pretty lame
2008-02-27 03:18 < slashem> you know, now I'm not so sure why he is my friend
2008-02-27 03:18 < Daniel_Bush_> I pause to buffer my video and look up here while I'm waiting
2008-02-27 03:25 < Daniel_Bush_> When a commodore takes over a captain's ship in Star Trek, it's never good...
2008-02-27 03:26 < Luna-San> Also if the film you're watching has an odd number...
2008-02-27 03:26 < slashem> I actually have some hope in the next one
2008-02-27 03:27 < Luna-San> Well... Generations (eh), First Contact (good), Insurrection (eh), Nemesis (broke the rule by being lousy)
2008-02-27 03:27 < Luna-San> Maybe it'll leapfrog over, kinda
2008-02-27 03:27 < IceKarma> Luna-San, ... that rule long predates Generations.
2008-02-27 03:27 < Luna-San> I know. I just don't have to count out the older ones, because it's loads more obvious. ;)
2008-02-27 03:28 < Luna-San> 2/4/6 are really just damned good movies.
2008-02-27 03:28 < jb2> ok... who wants http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1858
2008-02-27 03:29 < slashem> wait, was 6 the one with the whales?
2008-02-27 03:29 < IceKarma> no, that was 4
2008-02-27 03:29 < slashem> which one was the whales?
2008-02-27 03:29 < slashem> I hated that one
2008-02-27 03:29 < IceKarma> The Voyage Home
2008-02-27 03:29 < slashem> so freaking gay to have space aliens threaten to destroy the earth unless we found whales
2008-02-27 03:30 < Luna-San> I could see not liking 4. It's a bit unconventional.
2008-02-27 03:30 < jb2> should have been dolphins
2008-02-27 03:30 < slashem> 4 was really a comedy
2008-02-27 03:30 < slashem> I tend to take my SF seriously
2008-02-27 03:31 < slashem> like that whole "remember where we parked line", that just ruins it for me
2008-02-27 03:31 < Luna-San> jb2: Heh, very nice link. I'll see about Christmas. ;)
2008-02-27 03:35 < slashem> they should have made a DS9 movie
2008-02-27 03:39 < Daniel_Bush_> I meant that the commodore is usually insane and authoritarian
2008-02-27 03:39 < Daniel_Bush_> not that the episode is bad
2008-02-27 03:41 < The359> They're bored
2008-02-27 03:41 < The359> they're generally just left in charge of space stations
2008-02-27 03:42 < Casull> I don't know about you but I get a bad feeling just by this guy's username: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Chinese_language_is_the_bubonic_plague
2008-02-27 03:44 < Daniel_Bush_> Is it wrong to laugh
2008-02-27 03:44 < The359> no bad feeling about his contribs though?
2008-02-27 03:44 < Casull> Hmmm...
2008-02-27 03:46 < Casull> It's not exactly professional, but I'm thinking that if an account is obviously joke-editing, I'm going to post in their talk page a section with a title of "A ha ha ha ha at the edit you made on article X" and the actual content of that section being a guy wagging his finger with a giant NO. caption on it.
2008-02-27 03:49 < Luna-San> They also registered [[User:Chinese language is the most disgusting thing in the world]]
2008-02-27 03:50 < slashem> you know, this is why I left wikipedia
2008-02-27 03:51 < Casull> Because people create obviously joke accounts that we wish are baleeted on sight?
2008-02-27 03:52 < slashem> because those people keep coming back
2008-02-27 03:52 < slashem> there's no way to get rid of them
2008-02-27 03:52 * Casull shrugs
2008-02-27 03:53 < Luna-San> Not really. But if they're blocked inside a few minutes and all their edits reverted, what's it matter?
2008-02-27 03:53 < Casull> It'll provide me with some entertainment till I get bored of them, then leave wiki like you did
2008-02-27 03:53 < slashem> no people like that don't leave
2008-02-27 03:53 < slashem> the people who actually care leave
2008-02-27 03:53 < slashem> this guy sounds like a sock of some user I am familiar with
2008-02-27 03:57 < The359> He's the anti-yao of this room
2008-02-27 03:59 < The359> look out, it's a comet!
2008-02-27 04:02 < eth01> who felt that earthquake if you live in the uk?
2008-02-27 04:02 < eth01> not everybody felt it btw.
2008-02-27 04:03 < The359> what earthquake?
2008-02-27 04:03 < eth01> http://www.guardian.in-addr.arpa/uk/2008/feb/27/2
2008-02-27 04:03 < eth01> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/feb/27/2, even
2008-02-27 04:10 < bumm13> hiya Weasel
2008-02-27 04:14 < Chrisgrant> afternoon
2008-02-27 04:15 < Ceiling_Cat> goodnight all (again)
2008-02-27 04:15 < Ceiling_Cat> (for real this time)
2008-02-27 04:15 < Ceiling_Cat> :)
2008-02-27 04:17 < Casull> Hmmm.
2008-02-27 04:17 < Casull> What do you make of the whole privacy issue on the Bill English page and how his children's names shouldn't be listed?
2008-02-27 04:19 < The359> if it is published somewhere else, it's not private
2008-02-27 04:19 < zvook> i suspect he wheels his kids out in the run-up to elections, yanno
2008-02-27 04:22 < zvook> but then, who cares what his kids' names are
2008-02-27 04:23 < Luna-San> If it's reliably sourced to our standards, it's probably not all that private.
2008-02-27 04:23 < Luna-San> But we shouldn't be outing.
2008-02-27 04:23 * Luna-San secretly just repeats The359 in most situations, but fortunately most people seem not to notice
2008-02-27 04:23 * The359 notices
2008-02-27 04:23 < brown_cat_afk> Personal life
2008-02-27 04:24 < brown_cat_afk> In 1986, Mr. T caused quite a stir when he had a majority of the trees cut down at his 5-acre wooded estate in Lake Forest, Illinois. <-------- wow, how relevant -_-
2008-02-27 04:27 < Casull> Well sure it's relevant
2008-02-27 04:27 < Casull> Nobody messes with Mr. T, not even a bunch of trees
2008-02-27 04:53 < brown_cat_afk> Casull: hahahaa
2008-02-27 04:53 < brown_cat_afk> O_o
2008-02-27 04:53 < brown_cat_afk> My commerce teacher wore fishnet stocking sto commerce in class today O_O
2008-02-27 05:07 * brown_cat_afk salivates
2008-02-27 05:09 < PeanutHorst> hawt.
2008-02-27 05:10 < yao_ziyuan> have fully migrated to linux (ubuntu/kubuntu)
2008-02-27 05:10 < yao_ziyuan> formatted everything on my disk
2008-02-27 05:10 < yao_ziyuan> data since high school years
2008-02-27 05:11 < yao_ziyuan> a fresh new start of life!
2008-02-27 05:11 < yao_ziyuan> can anyone recommend some linux video games?
2008-02-27 05:12 < Asty[FOAD]> get XMame
2008-02-27 05:12 < Asty[FOAD]> and download some old arcade games :D
2008-02-27 05:18 < Lady_Aleena> What was I thinking? Can someone tell me please? I must be finally losing it.
2008-02-27 05:19 < The359> You're fucking nuts
2008-02-27 05:20 < Lady_Aleena> The359: Did you get that from my contributions list or is that your POV?
2008-02-27 05:20 < Lady_Aleena> :)
2008-02-27 05:20 * The359 made it up
2008-02-27 05:20 < Lady_Aleena> Good enough...
2008-02-27 05:21 < Lady_Aleena> I am still trying to figure out why I am trying to restart a WikiProject. I wonder if it will work or just die again.
2008-02-27 05:27 < The359> my WikiProject has barely gotten any attention in 2 years
2008-02-27 05:27 < The359> I basically am one of the few who writes anything for it, and there's never any discussion among members
2008-02-27 05:28 < ancjr> sounds absolutely wonderful
2008-02-27 05:32 < Lady_Aleena> The359: What is the project?
2008-02-27 05:32 < The359> [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports Car Racing]]
2008-02-27 05:32 < bridezilla> Um... is jam supposed to contain 40% sugar?
2008-02-27 05:34 < Lady_Aleena> The359: I really don't know much about the subject except that watching cars go around in circles is bores me.
2008-02-27 05:34 < ancjr> bridezilla: sounds reasonable, not that i know for sue
2008-02-27 05:34 < ancjr> sure
2008-02-27 05:34 < Lady_Aleena> bridezilla: I am not sure.
2008-02-27 05:34 < bridezilla> Isn't that... um... horrible?
2008-02-27 05:35 < bridezilla> 40% is as much sugar as in Coca Cola or Dr. Pepper.
2008-02-27 05:35 < Lady_Aleena> Really?
2008-02-27 05:35 < bridezilla> Last time I checked, they said 40 g sugar per 100 g.
2008-02-27 05:35 < bridezilla> Which means 40%.
2008-02-27 05:35 < bridezilla> (No idea why they measure in grams and not per cent.)
2008-02-27 05:35 < Lady_Aleena> That's a lot. I wonder how much sugar I have per 100 g I have in my iced tea.
2008-02-27 05:36 < bridezilla> I realize I'm ignorant as to how jam is made.
2008-02-27 05:36 < bridezilla> Now I realize it's probably just sugar and berries.
2008-02-27 05:36 < Lady_Aleena> Me too...so don't feel bad.
2008-02-27 05:37 < bridezilla> =]
2008-02-27 05:38 < ancjr> you realy don't need to add a lot of sugar
2008-02-27 05:38 < bridezilla> Well, I don't make my own jam.
2008-02-27 05:38 < ancjr> you can carefully cook a lot of fruits down to jam
2008-02-27 05:38 < ancjr> i don't either, but i'm aware of them being made that way
2008-02-27 05:39 < bridezilla> It's nasty when you have fruit bits.
2008-02-27 05:39 < bridezilla> It should be more like a perfect jelly.
2008-02-27 05:39 < Lady_Aleena> [[List of fruits that can be made into jams]] :)
2008-02-27 05:39 < ancjr> once you start removing the water, the sugars and solids probably do approach 4:10 ratio
2008-02-27 05:40 < Lady_Aleena> or is [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a cookbook]]? *giggle*
2008-02-27 05:40 < yao_ziyuan> the logo for the rouge satellite shooting mission: "Anything Hu Can Do, We Can Do Better"：http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/02/operation-rog-2.html
2008-02-27 05:41 < ancjr> [[Catergory:Foods that bridezilla considers unreasonable for any number of reasons]]
2008-02-27 05:41 < ancjr> lolz
2008-02-27 05:41 < Lady_Aleena> That might be better as a list.
2008-02-27 05:41 < bridezilla> Grrr...
2008-02-27 05:42 < ancjr> agreed
2008-02-27 05:42 < Lady_Aleena> [[List of foods that bridezilla considers unreasonable for any number of reasons]] :)
2008-02-27 05:42 * ancjr gets to work
2008-02-27 05:42 * gurch huggles Lady_Aleena
2008-02-27 05:42 < ancjr> right now i'm making sauerkraut and sour dough starter
2008-02-27 05:42 < Lady_Aleena> bridezilla, I have a [User:Lady Aleena|Dishwasher]].
2008-02-27 05:43 < bridezilla> :S
2008-02-27 05:43 < Lady_Aleena> You can always add things there...I think I have a car/truch in there. :)
2008-02-27 05:44 < Lady_Aleena> s/truch/truck
2008-02-27 05:47 < The359> do you mean /Dishwasher?
2008-02-27 05:48 < The359> not |Dishwasher
2008-02-27 05:48 < IceKarma> no, I think she means she's the dishwasher.
2008-02-27 05:50 < The359> Why is there a Land Cruiser in the dishwasher?
2008-02-27 05:50 < Luna-San> For cleaning.
2008-02-27 05:50 < The359> proper SUVs do not need cleaning
2008-02-27 05:50 < Lady_Aleena> The359: I have no clue what a land cruiser is doing in the dishwasher. It may have come up on the night it was created.
2008-02-27 05:51 < Tony_Sidaway> Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barack_Obama&curid=534366&action=history&limit=2
2008-02-27 05:51 < Lady_Aleena> The359:And yes, I got the linkage wrong, but I have been looking at long complicated links for the past couple of days. My brain is frying trying to set up the new structure for WikiProject Fictional series.
2008-02-27 05:51 < Tony_Sidaway> Vandalism calling Barack Obama a plagiarist stuck on [[Barack Obama]] for nearly an entire hour
2008-02-27 05:52 < jerkface03> Tony_Sidaway: so what?
2008-02-27 05:52 < Aqwis> disable anon editing!!111
2008-02-27 05:52 < Tony_Sidaway> jerkface03: unusual length of time, given how much attention that article gets normally.
2008-02-27 05:52 < The359> everyone who cares is asleep
2008-02-27 05:53 < Tony_Sidaway> Mind, I suppose it's the quiet time for the USA in nearly all timezones. Everybody except maybe Hawaii is in bed.
2008-02-27 05:53 < jerkface03> Tony_Sidaway: it's probably because he's black
2008-02-27 05:53 < Lady_Aleena> And the insomniacs in the other time zones.
2008-02-27 05:53 < jerkface03> Tony_Sidaway: or you can just put something about uss cole in there and watch the activity on that article go up
2008-02-27 05:54 * The359 : Wednesday February 27 2008 Current time is 5:52:14am -0500 GMT
2008-02-27 05:54 < jerkface03> jayjg will come in there and start referencing bullshit links from zionist groups so he can please his jewish masters
2008-02-27 05:54 < IceKarma> Tony_Sidaway, it's 0254 PT, so it's pretty late in Hawai`i, too
2008-02-27 05:54 < jerkface03> err uss liberty i mean
2008-02-27 05:54 < Tony_Sidaway> Now that's where the Americans go all wrong. How can you take a country seriously if they won't get out of bed until it's nearly lunch time?
2008-02-27 05:54 < IceKarma> Tony_Sidaway, ... but morning is coming to the east coast
2008-02-27 05:55 < ancjr> it would be neat to compile a wikipedia "map" showing the shortest route between articles
2008-02-27 05:59 * Lady_Aleena does not have a wig or sparkly tights.
2008-02-27 06:01 < Luna-San> Maybe there were Americans awake, but none of them were Obamists.
2008-02-27 06:01 < jerkface03> Barack Osama
2008-02-27 06:01 * Lady_Aleena is an American but is on the fence.
2008-02-27 06:03 * ancjr is american and builds fences
2008-02-27 06:03 * JessicaTaylor is australian and builds americans
2008-02-27 06:03 * Luna-San is an American, but half the fences in town got blown over by storms, this season.
2008-02-27 06:03 < Mike_H> last night the low was 68
2008-02-27 06:04 * Luna-San bills JessicaTaylor for overdue child support. >.>
2008-02-27 06:04 < Mike_H> today the high was 85.
2008-02-27 06:04 < Mike_H> this coming day, the high will be 58
2008-02-27 06:04 < Mike_H> and tonight the low will be 39 :/
2008-02-27 06:04 < JessicaTaylor> lol
2008-02-27 06:04 < ancjr> Mike_H is american and makes weather