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2008-02-22 05:37 < eptalon> hello all
2008-02-22 05:37 < Lycurgus> (or WMF projects, specifically the per language wikipediae)
2008-02-22 05:37 < lkr`> so do you think you can make a comment bumm13?
2008-02-22 05:38 < lkr`> i'd like to have the disputed tag removed
2008-02-22 05:38 < bumm13> I would do my best to ignore him; if he continues to, say, remove content or add templates to reflect his personal biases, then maybe try unofficial or official mediation
2008-02-22 05:38 < bumm13> (ah, an article about a controversial figure)
2008-02-22 05:39 * bumm13 should have known :P
2008-02-22 05:39 < eptalon> Anyone here good at Chopsticks? - The simple English article has a few fact templates which I find hard to remove..
2008-02-22 05:39 < bumm13> hi eptalon
2008-02-22 05:39 < bumm13> lkr` - the article's citing looks fine to me
2008-02-22 05:40 < bumm13> I'll post a short message there, but I'm not going to get caught up in a drawn-out war about the article's content should anyone choose to perpetuate one
2008-02-22 05:41 < lkr`> thanks
2008-02-22 05:41 < lkr`> is it appropriate to remove his tag?
2008-02-22 05:47 < bumm13> lkr` - I would say so, yes
2008-02-22 05:48 < Mahlzahn> Just a word to make your day... After having read the talk page I just found that -- at that article specifically -- I /like/ the tag. Strange as it sounds, it gives the article legitimacy and flags Uptional as a malcontent.
2008-02-22 05:48 < bumm13> I posted a comment on the talk page
2008-02-22 05:49 < bumm13> Mahlzahn: but many people may come across the article and not read the talk page
2008-02-22 05:49 < Mahlzahn> quite
2008-02-22 05:53 < lkr`> thanks bumm13
2008-02-22 05:53 < lkr`> i really appreciate it
2008-02-22 05:53 < lkr`> i'll take your advise re:mediation if things continue
2008-02-22 05:55 < bumm13> ok :)
2008-02-22 05:55 < bumm13> hope it works out well
2008-02-22 06:04 * brown_cat walks over pengo
2008-02-22 06:06 < illumanti> hi
2008-02-22 06:06 < brown_cat> GO AWAY
2008-02-22 06:07 < illumanti> hello
2008-02-22 06:07 < brown_cat> :)
2008-02-22 06:07 < The359> http://sirocco.accuweather.com/nx_mosaic_640x480c/SIR/inmaSIRPA_.gif effing snow
2008-02-22 06:09 * brown_cat wonders what an email in his spam folder with the subject "Busty Teen On Sofa Fingering To Squirt Hardcore" could be about
2008-02-22 06:09 < The359> Awesomeness
2008-02-22 06:13 < Mahlzahn> with youporn and all those other free sites, its a wonder how commercial porn sites can turn a dime anymore.
2008-02-22 06:14 < eptalon> youporn?
2008-02-22 06:15 < Mahlzahn> [[Youporn]]
2008-02-22 06:17 < eptalon> ahh..
2008-02-22 06:17 < eptalon> Let me guess: Philantorpes aiming at furthering the mutual understanding of human anatomy? ;)
2008-02-22 06:19 < Mahlzahn> heh
2008-02-22 06:24 < Mahlzahn> as you might note in the article, there is some trouble over it in Germany. These troubles were so thoroughly reported in German media, that I doubt that any German has not yet visited the site.
2008-02-22 06:26 < Mahlzahn> Living proof that the internet does not tolerate censorship.
2008-02-22 06:26 * brown_cat looks at pornotube
2008-02-22 06:26 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-22 06:26 < eptalon> Any of you good at Chopsticks? - SEWP needs some facts checked on the Chopstick article..
2008-02-22 06:26 < Mahlzahn> No, unfortunately not. Should I try to use them, my carpal tunnel syndrome will promptly remind me that I am not chinese.
2008-02-22 06:26 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-22 06:26 < bumm13> that sucks :x
2008-02-22 06:28 < researchsocial> Hi all
2008-02-22 06:28 < researchsocial> i m currently doing a survey on wikipedia
2008-02-22 06:29 < researchsocial> but i need 25 more respondents before i can close it
2008-02-22 06:29 < Aqwis> i am not going to respond to it because it requires me to enter my Wiki username :<
2008-02-22 06:29 < researchsocial> don't worry we won
2008-02-22 06:29 < researchsocial> won't spam u
2008-02-22 06:30 < researchsocial> anyway the lucky draw is based on email
2008-02-22 06:31 < researchsocial> so u don't need to put yr home mailing address
2008-02-22 06:31 < researchsocial> http://www.my3q.com/home2/202/researchsocial/nuswiki.phtml
2008-02-22 06:31 < researchsocial> please help
2008-02-22 06:34 < Mahlzahn> "For best viewing, please use Internet Explorer 7" <= that sorta turns me off already.
2008-02-22 06:35 < researchsocial> u can use using firefox
2008-02-22 06:35 < Tan_> hi, I see trouble with Wikipedia:Upload, isn't it?
2008-02-22 06:35 < researchsocial> becoz of different browser will be different color
2008-02-22 06:38 < Mahlzahn> researchsocial: a tag like that reeks. Its an indication that the creator doesn't acknowledge professional standards.
2008-02-22 06:38 < researchsocial> really sprry
2008-02-22 06:38 < researchsocial> sorry
2008-02-22 06:39 < Mahlzahn> no need to apologize. :) I'm just letting you know for the future.
2008-02-22 06:43 < Tan_> hi, I see trouble with Wikipedia:Upload, isn't it?
2008-02-22 06:44 < Mahlzahn> oh my. I completed the survey and then it wouldn't let me continue. Turns out javascript was required. And then, it turns out that the otherwise very simple form gets all het up when js is enabled.
2008-02-22 06:50 < Mahlzahn> researchsocial: since you live in .sg... Have you heard of catcha.com(.sg) ?
2008-02-22 06:51 < Mahlzahn> Or rather,... (and assuming you have), is it (still) popular?
2008-02-22 06:53 < ChemicalBit> hello!
2008-02-22 06:54 < ChemicalBit> I' wondering about deletetion policy in other language Wikiepdia (I'm "from" :-) italian language Wikiepdia)
2008-02-22 06:54 < ChemicalBit> Is there a way to delete a "group" of pages,
2008-02-22 06:54 < ChemicalBit> not only one by one?
2008-02-22 06:56 < Mahlzahn> not at the front end (admin level). You'd need database access.
2008-02-22 06:58 < TimStarling> Tan_: there was a problem with [[Wikipedia:Upload]] until about 5 minutes ago
2008-02-22 07:01 < Mahlzahn> what brings Tim to the netherworld? :)
2008-02-22 07:02 * brown_cat has an urge to slap Mahlzahn
2008-02-22 07:02 < Mahlzahn> I'm sorry. Was that rude? If so, apologies.
2008-02-22 07:05 < brown_cat> Mahlzahn: no, it wasn't rude
2008-02-22 07:05 < brown_cat> I just want to slap someone xD
2008-02-22 07:06 < Mahlzahn> oh pout. I hoped you'd want me to get out the latex and lace.
2008-02-22 07:07 * mr_tibbles the cat enters
2008-02-22 07:07 < mr_tibbles> O_o
2008-02-22 07:09 < Tan_> TimStarling: Thank you, it's happening in every projects. Hope it will recover soon
2008-02-22 07:31 < TimStarling> <Mahlzahn> what brings Tim to the netherworld? :)
2008-02-22 07:31 < TimStarling> __HIDDENCAT__
2008-02-22 07:31 < TimStarling> a feature which I'm proud of but so far is being used on exactly one category on the whole of wikipedia
2008-02-22 07:31 < TimStarling> i.e. the one I added it to
2008-02-22 07:32 < TimStarling> I guess if I leave it a day or two though, people might start to notice
2008-02-22 07:33 < Mahlzahn> If __HIDDENCAT__ is what I think it is, there is a query at VPP for something like that right now.
2008-02-22 07:39 < TimStarling> I think you mean VPR, VPP is policy
2008-02-22 07:39 < TimStarling> just found it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Hiding_categories_on_article_pages
2008-02-22 07:39 < Mahlzahn> erm, village pump proposals
2008-02-22 07:39 < TimStarling> yeah, VPR
2008-02-22 07:39 < Mahlzahn> ja.
2008-02-22 07:39 < Mahlzahn> sorry.
2008-02-22 07:40 < Mahlzahn> not to be a pain, but m:magic words says nothing of __HIDDENCAT__ (yet) :)
2008-02-22 07:40 < TimStarling> yeah, but writing documentation is boring
2008-02-22 07:40 < TimStarling> I know, with that attitude I can't really complain if nobody knows about my features
2008-02-22 07:41 < Mahlzahn> heh
2008-02-22 07:42 < NotACow> MOOOO
2008-02-22 07:42 < Mike42> quack
2008-02-22 07:43 < Mahlzahn_> bah. split spit.
2008-02-22 07:43 < Mahlzahn_> echo 'Tim: well, you have a good excuse. "pp2 has sapped all your energy."'
2008-02-22 07:46 < TimStarling> VPR is so full of optimism
2008-02-22 07:46 < TimStarling> nice to read when you're feeling optimistic yourself
2008-02-22 07:46 < Mahlzahn_> well said
2008-02-22 07:46 < Mahlzahn_> so, what are you working on now/next?
2008-02-22 07:51 < TimStarling> maybe bug 12206, it's rare, but annoying when it hits you
2008-02-22 07:52 < TimStarling> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12206
2008-02-22 07:54 < TimStarling> then after that, maybe a bit of work on SUL
2008-02-22 07:57 < Mahlzahn_> would this be a bad time to ask for a javascript var (eg "wgUserDateFormat") that exported a user's date pref?
2008-02-22 07:58 < Mahlzahn_> see User:Fullstop/autodate.js which allows client-side date formatting (even for anons, and even for dates that not wikilinked).
2008-02-22 07:59 < Mahlzahn_> (the support for anons is of course not effective as long as its not site js, but the code is there to do so).
2008-02-22 08:05 < TimStarling> Mahlzahn_: I'll think about it
2008-02-22 08:05 < Mahlzahn_> nod.
2008-02-22 08:12 < Mahlzahn_> its not really crucial. That script can pretty much infer the user pref even without the global. The global would only help it distinguish between "default" and "dmy" (because of course "dmy" is default for everything [except (!) wikilinked dates] anyway).
2008-02-22 08:15 * ChemicalBit back
2008-02-22 08:16 < ChemicalBit> Mahlzahn: not at the front end (admin level). You'd need database access. <-- you were anwsering me? sorry my question was not plain
2008-02-22 08:17 < ChemicalBit> I don't mean tha actual deletion by an administrator, but the decision-making procedure
2008-02-22 08:18 < ChemicalBit> like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion
2008-02-22 08:24 < Mahlzahn_> Oh, sorry. I misunderstood. If the deletions are unlikely to be contested, its probably more efficient to {{prod}} them. I don't know what the Italian equivalent would be (if there is any such facility). You'd still need to hit each article separately, but thats probably still less of a hassle than AfD'ing them individually.
2008-02-22 08:26 < Mahlzahn_> but the bottom line is that each deletion decision/process is discrete. (If that is what you are asking)
2008-02-22 08:35 < ChemicalBit> mazzanet: we have something like {{prod}} (though they are listed in a wikipedia: page, as in AfD , and if a objection arise, it's canced to a AfD procedure)
2008-02-22 08:36 < ChemicalBit> the toruble is that about articles of the same kind, it happends that different results come out
2008-02-22 08:38 < ChemicalBit> so pages like "list of brazilian saxophonist" and "list of chinese oboists" are deleted
2008-02-22 08:39 < ChemicalBit> while "list of italian drumemr oboists" or ""list of spanish guitarists" are not
2008-02-22 08:39 < ChemicalBit> I was looking dor a way to manage this iusse, and I wonder if it's already addressed in other languages wikipedia
2008-02-22 08:42 < Mahlzahn_> Oh. No, I haven't seen any such discussion recently. There was a (failed) proposal to overhaul the deletion process some time ago, but I can't remember if it specifically addressed your issue. Let me see if I can find the page somewhere. Sec.
2008-02-22 08:42 < ChemicalBit> ok, thank you
2008-02-22 08:43 < Googlepages> thank you so much
2008-02-22 08:43 < Mahlzahn_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Precedents <= this may interest you though.
2008-02-22 08:43 < ChemicalBit> (I think that the iusse is more on italian wikipedia, as we choice wheter delte or not, by a voting :-( , whereas in en.wikipedia is more a discussion syste)
2008-02-22 08:44 < ChemicalBit> Thanjk you. I'll look it.
2008-02-22 08:44 < ChemicalBit> We also have precedents and guidelines, but they are "not always" followed while voting.
2008-02-22 08:45 < ChemicalBit> Anyone seems to have the right to vote wathever he wants "I think that <nome surname> is the best
2008-02-22 08:46 < ChemicalBit> soccer player in theworld -though he plays in a very "small" team- so we _must_ have him at Wikipeda!"
2008-02-22 08:49 < Mahlzahn_> well, thats sounds more like an inclusionist/exclusionist debate.
2008-02-22 08:51 < Agamemnon2> nanoo nanoo
2008-02-22 08:53 < Mahlzahn_> ChemicalBit: your local notability guidelines / noticeboard should be able to determine what does/doesn't merit an article.
2008-02-22 09:02 < ChemicalBit> Mahlzahn_: we have not notability guideline for all kind of toipc. Neverless, even for a topic covered by notability guidelain
2008-02-22 09:03 < ChemicalBit> we can not dare to criticize someone else vote, it's a flame-maker way :-(
2008-02-22 09:03 < Mahlzahn_> yes. I recognize your problem, but the en. 'pedia is just as "human" as the .it 'pedia presumably is.
2008-02-22 09:04 < ChemicalBit> Every one feel it is his/her own right to vote as he/she wants ..
2008-02-22 09:06 < Mahlzahn_> that, for better or for worse, is how the 'pedias work.
2008-02-22 09:08 < zocky> if you have reasobable requirements for voters, it's ok, as long as you have clear rules that they can't vote against a guideline until the guideline is changed
2008-02-22 09:08 < zocky> which is why move requests suck on en.
2008-02-22 09:09 * zocky just moved [[Novak Djokovic]] back to [[Novak Đoković]] overriding a move request
2008-02-22 09:10 < zocky> we keep the vast majority of non-english people at their native spellings, the proposal to drop the diacritics has failed, and we still get succesful move requests for random foreign people to non-diacritic names
2008-02-22 09:11 < zocky> either go for strictily english alphabet (and prevent the software from including diacritics in names if need be), or use diacritics for everybody
2008-02-22 09:16 < ChemicalBit> zocky: I dare that on it.wikipedia "a guideline is a guideline only if I'm aware of it and until I like it" :-(
2008-02-22 09:22 * brown_cat bursts into flames
2008-02-22 09:22 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-22 09:23 * brown_cat screams
2008-02-22 09:27 * brown_cat_nap naps
2008-02-22 09:44 * eth01 stabs brown_cat
2008-02-22 09:47 < Mahlzahn_> anyone care to add a pleasant word re: Please do not spam? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABehnamFarid&diff=193275621&oldid=193255513#What_is_the_purpose_of_your_adding_external_links_when_the_url_is_already_being_used_used_in_a_citation.3F
2008-02-22 09:55 < zocky> hmmm, we have no article on wallstrip
2008-02-22 09:56 < zocky> i'd call that more notable than most other web junk we have
2008-02-22 09:57 < NotACow> wallstrip?
2008-02-22 09:58 < zocky> the video blog about the stock market
2008-02-22 09:58 < NotACow> ah
2008-02-22 10:08 < zvook> "brownpanic" is rather an unfortunate captcha
2008-02-22 10:18 < STAii> I have a question about wikitext, when i write a url starting with "http://" or "ftp://", wikipedia automatically identifies it as a URL and renders it as a link. What other protocols do the same behaviour?
2008-02-22 10:23 < dungodung> STAii: check out $wgUrlProtocols in DefaultSettings.php
2008-02-22 10:23 < dungodung> STAii: besides, this is not the right channel for this :\
2008-02-22 10:24 < STAii> dungodung, thanks ! :)
2008-02-22 10:24 < dungodung> :)
2008-02-22 10:24 < STAii> what is the right channel ? for the future
2008-02-22 10:24 < dungodung> #mediawiki
2008-02-22 10:24 < STAii> umm ...
2008-02-22 10:24 < dungodung> if it's a mediawiki question like this one
2008-02-22 10:24 < STAii> well
2008-02-22 10:24 < STAii> i want to know what the value of that variable is for Wikipedia in particular :)
2008-02-22 10:25 < STAii> maybe it will be the default value ?
2008-02-22 10:25 < dungodung> hmm, probably the same as everywhere
2008-02-22 10:25 < STAii> i hope so ! hehe. thanks !
2008-02-22 10:25 < dungodung> but you might try #wikimedia-tech for wikimedia-wide settings-related questions
2008-02-22 10:25 < STAii> i will, thnaks.
2008-02-22 10:31 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-02-22 10:32 < NotASpider> hi
2008-02-22 10:32 < NotACow> whee
2008-02-22 10:32 < NotACow> confirmed cougar sighting in wisconsin
2008-02-22 10:33 < Fabexplosive> hey NotASpider and a -Cow
2008-02-22 10:44 < enok|walker> hay
2008-02-22 10:46 < Mike_H> that's for horses.
2008-02-22 10:47 < gwern> http://jeff.over.bz/?04_Miscellaneous/03_Considered_Harmful 'Knowledge Considered Harmful'
2008-02-22 10:47 < gwern> Junk considered harmful
2008-02-22 10:47 < gwern> Philip S. Abrams
2008-02-22 10:47 < gwern> 'Operators Considered Harmful' Martin Gfeller
2008-02-22 10:48 < gwern> 'Compiler textbook bibliographies considered harmful' V. Schneider <-- win
2008-02-22 10:59 * Mike_H is afraid to click on "A Solid Gold Christmas" on YouTube :<
2008-02-22 11:05 < NotASpider> interesting, i clicked on one of the titles I saw in the requests section in the recent changes header, and it is protected from re-creation
2008-02-22 11:07 < Polar> :o
2008-02-22 11:07 < NotASpider> so can somebody unprotect [[Mindfuck]], so I can redirect it to [[Operation Mindfuck]]
2008-02-22 11:08 < NotASpider> or actually it might be suitable for a disambiguation page
2008-02-22 11:08 < NotASpider> the original reason for deleting was "transwikied - housekeeping" (probably to wiktionary)
2008-02-22 11:21 * quanticle gets coffee for the group
2008-02-22 11:21 < quanticle> Wake up everyone!
2008-02-22 11:21 < Polar> *yawn*
2008-02-22 11:21 * quanticle hands Polar a coffee
2008-02-22 11:22 * Polar hates coffee :)
2008-02-22 11:22 < NotASpider> no, it doesn't exist on wiktionary, and the deletion log is empty
2008-02-22 11:23 < quanticle> How can you hate the nectar of the gods, waker of men, coffee?
2008-02-22 11:24 < Polar> *shrug* always have.
2008-02-22 11:24 < zvook> Thanks, quanticle
2008-02-22 11:25 < quanticle> For the coffee?
2008-02-22 11:25 < quanticle> You're welcome.
2008-02-22 11:26 < quanticle> Isn't Mindfuck also a programming language?
2008-02-22 11:26 < NotASpider> that's brainfuck
2008-02-22 11:26 < quanticle> Wait, no, that's Brainfuck, I think...
2008-02-22 11:26 < NotASpider> which would also be included on a disambiguation page
2008-02-22 11:26 < NotASpider> due to similarity of name
2008-02-22 11:30 < Golbez> is Brainfuck the trinary one
2008-02-22 11:31 < Golbez> No, that's Malebolge.
2008-02-22 11:33 < Alkivar> Speaking of brainfuck: http://www.metasonix.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=67
2008-02-22 11:33 < NotASpider> could somebody remove the create-protect feature or do i have to go to RFP
2008-02-22 11:33 < Alkivar> why anyone would create a 100% tube guitar amp is beyond me
2008-02-22 11:34 < syntaxerror55> damn
2008-02-22 11:34 < syntaxerror55> maybe the entire sum of human knowledge isn't so great after all. My brother is like, severly constipated, so I look it up on Wikipedia, and that brown stuff he throw up
2008-02-22 11:34 * gurch creates a 100%-huggle guitar glomp
2008-02-22 11:34 < syntaxerror55> is 'fecal vomiting'
2008-02-22 11:35 < gurch> eww
2008-02-22 11:35 < syntaxerror55> gurch, that's not the wrost of it. I didn't even know you could poop out of your mouth
2008-02-22 11:35 < gurch> ewwww
2008-02-22 11:36 < syntaxerror55> ...
2008-02-22 11:36 < zvook> could be worse.
2008-02-22 11:36 < bishonen> good old #wikipedia. hasn't changed a bit.
2008-02-22 11:36 < zvook> hullo bishonen
2008-02-22 11:37 < bishonen> hi zvook
2008-02-22 11:37 < zvook> you still contributing these days, or what's the state of play?
2008-02-22 11:37 < bishonen> no.
2008-02-22 11:37 < zvook> shame.
2008-02-22 11:37 < bishonen> see contribs.
2008-02-22 11:38 < Miranda> hi bishonen
2008-02-22 11:38 < Miranda> I love you!
2008-02-22 11:38 < bishonen> hi Miranda
2008-02-22 11:38 < bishonen> :-)
2008-02-22 11:38 < NotASpider> love kills
2008-02-22 11:38 < bishonen> bishzilla aint contributing either
2008-02-22 11:38 < gwern> http://faildogs.com/ <-- fail dog is fail
2008-02-22 11:39 < Trodel> hi Bishonen ! glad to see you here!
2008-02-22 11:39 < syntaxerror55> well
2008-02-22 11:39 < Miranda> bishonen: bishzilla on strike!
2008-02-22 11:39 < Miranda> :-D
2008-02-22 11:39 < syntaxerror55> I should'nt have brought it up
2008-02-22 11:39 < bishonen> jus dropping by. hi, trodel.
2008-02-22 11:39 < NotASpider> probably
2008-02-22 11:39 < zvook> syntaxerror55 that's what yr bro said
2008-02-22 11:39 < bishonen> miranda, no, deleted.
2008-02-22 11:39 < syntaxerror55> zvook, my brother is on the toilet again
2008-02-22 11:40 < Miranda> bishonen: :-(
2008-02-22 11:40 < Miranda> no bishapod either :-(
2008-02-22 11:40 < zvook> i hope he gets well soon, that sounds pretty serious
2008-02-22 11:40 < bishonen> see [[User talk:Bishzilla]]. feel free to contribute to homages.
2008-02-22 11:40 < bishonen> mirand, bishapod cryogenically preserved
2008-02-22 11:40 < Trodel> just contributed occasionally - it is fun - and doesn't hve all the hassles - I have edited a wikipedia namespace page unrelated to a project in months
2008-02-22 11:40 < Miranda> bishonen: PM
2008-02-22 11:42 < syntaxerror55> zvook, I hope so too. :|
2008-02-22 11:42 * syntaxerror55 goes back to #cvn-wp-en
2008-02-22 11:50 < Pilotguy> bleh
2008-02-22 11:50 < Pilotguy> stupid college internet
2008-02-22 11:51 < Red_Farmer> god I'm so frustrated right now lol
2008-02-22 11:54 < Miranda> Pilotguy: ethernet?
2008-02-22 11:54 < Pilotguy> ResNet
2008-02-22 11:54 < Miranda> ah ok
2008-02-22 11:55 < Red_Farmer> god how do you guys do it when people throw around uncivil, paranoid comments when you're only trying to improve Wikipedia?
2008-02-22 11:55 < Pilotguy> Red_Farmer- snort.
2008-02-22 11:55 < Red_Farmer> lol
2008-02-22 11:55 < Pilotguy> Red_Farmer- "improve" Wikipedia?
2008-02-22 11:56 < Miranda> Red_Farmer: you smoke a cigarette, you walk outside, or you take a wikibreak
2008-02-22 11:56 < Pilotguy> Red_Farmer- Surely you jest!
2008-02-22 11:56 < Red_Farmer> haha
2008-02-22 11:56 < Golbez> Red_Farmer- fly below the trees so no one notices what i'm doing
2008-02-22 11:56 < Red_Farmer> you get a lot of detractors on new page patrol and vandal patrol don't you
2008-02-22 11:56 < Golbez> i've gathered two stalkers over the years, yes
2008-02-22 11:57 < Pilotguy> Red_Farmer- /join #cvn-wp-en
2008-02-22 11:58 < Red_Farmer> hehe I've got one guy who's creating sockpuppets in an attempt to imply I'm stalking him and another who's stereotyped me because I marked a page he created on something New Zealand related for Speedy
2008-02-22 11:58 < Pilotguy> MiszaBot ? Block editor [[User:Araz 81]] blocked by admin [[User:Golbez]] Length: 24 hours "[[Wikipedia:Vandalism|Vandalism]]"
2008-02-22 11:58 < Red_Farmer> lol you can't win
2008-02-22 11:58 < Golbez> wha
2008-02-22 11:58 < Pilotguy> t
2008-02-22 11:58 < Golbez> ???
2008-02-22 11:59 < Golbez> Pilotguy what was that? =p
2008-02-22 11:59 < Pilotguy> pre-drunkenness
2008-02-22 11:59 < Golbez> what would that have done if you'd done it in the right channel
2008-02-22 11:59 < Red_Farmer> yeah someone got made at me for getting his article on the "colour" poo brown deleted, so he's now creating sock puppets to try to somehow get me in trouble for "stalking"
2008-02-22 11:59 < Red_Farmer> lol
2008-02-22 12:01 < bishonen> Red_Farmer: more tactful to redirect to [[Shit]], perhaps?
2008-02-22 12:02 < Red_Farmer> lol well I and some admins thought it was vandalism...it was admitidley a controversial speedy so it was brought back to AfD and snowball deleted
2008-02-22 12:02 < NotACow> poo?
2008-02-22 12:03 < Red_Farmer> poo brown...it's a fake colour that was mentioned once in South Park like five years ago but the article wasn't in reference to South Park but implying the colour was real
2008-02-22 12:03 < NotACow> Red_Farmer: seems like appropriate content for Jimbo's Big Bag o' Trivia!
2008-02-22 12:04 < bishonen> rmpant silliness, Red_Farmer
2008-02-22 12:04 < Red_Farmer> I agree
2008-02-22 12:04 < Pilotguy> Why hello there bishonen
2008-02-22 12:04 < NotACow> Red_Farmer: i actually wouldn't have a problem if it discussed its south park relevance.
2008-02-22 12:05 < NotACow> Red_Farmer: i'm not bothered by wikipedia having content about obscure pop culture references (unlike some people)
2008-02-22 12:05 < bishonen> hi pilotguy
2008-02-22 12:05 < Red_Farmer> I wouldn't either if it could be referenced but the guy was offering a supposed scheme of mixing paints to create the fake colour
2008-02-22 12:05 < Pilotguy> It's what people seem to want to work on these days
2008-02-22 12:05 < Red_Farmer> in South Park they didn't mix paints...they used, well, poo
2008-02-22 12:05 < bishonen> Red_Farmer: very fine vandalism of [[Shit]] by Bishzilla: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shit&diff=prev&oldid=110708478
2008-02-22 12:06 < Red_Farmer> lol
2008-02-22 12:06 < bishonen> now *that*'s what people want to work on these days!
2008-02-22 12:06 < Red_Farmer> that and creating an article about themselves saying how awesome they are
2008-02-22 12:07 < bishonen> yep
2008-02-22 12:07 < Red_Farmer> or how awesome their band that formed yesterday is
2008-02-22 12:10 < NotACow> Red_Farmer: my objection is to people presenting fiction as if it were fact.
2008-02-22 12:11 < bishonen> pilotguy: PM
2008-02-22 12:11 < Alkivar> http://sacrealstats.blogspot.com/2008/02/natomas-area-commercial-real-estate.html
2008-02-22 12:11 < NotACow> wikipedia should have all the informaiton in it such that i can win ANY drunken bar bet, no matter how obscure.
2008-02-22 12:11 < NotACow> that's my attitude :)
2008-02-22 12:11 < Alkivar> thats fucking mind blowing... 2.3 million sq ft of retail space sitting vacant due to housing crash
2008-02-22 12:11 < NotACow> Alkivar: there's tons of commercial real estate vacant around here.
2008-02-22 12:11 < NotACow> Alkivar: good deal of industrial too
2008-02-22 12:12 < Red_Farmer> lol NotACow
2008-02-22 12:12 < NotACow> "Who was the second fattest president?"
2008-02-22 12:12 < NotACow> i bet wikipedia doesn't have the answer to that :)
2008-02-22 12:13 < Alkivar> truman
2008-02-22 12:13 < NotASpider> taft
2008-02-22 12:13 < NotASpider> no, wait
2008-02-22 12:13 < NotASpider> grover cleveland
2008-02-22 12:14 < Sembiance> I'm fed up with Wikipedia editor fights :(
2008-02-22 12:14 < Alkivar> who was the one in the wheelchair? FDR?
2008-02-22 12:15 < Red_Farmer> FDR was in the wheelchair
2008-02-22 12:15 < Sembiance> :(
2008-02-22 12:15 < Red_Farmer> Taft was the fattest right?
2008-02-22 12:15 < Red_Farmer> Sembiance, I hate editor fights too. It frustrates me so much when people choose to attack the person and not the issue
2008-02-22 12:16 < NotACow> Sembiance: wikipedia editor fights are only going to get worse.
2008-02-22 12:16 < Sembiance> A collection of pages on Wikipedia, all around a similar subject, on some pages the editors say that external link ABC is useful to users, doesn't link to commercial/ad infested sites, and thus should stay. Yet other editors say "Yes, it's useful, but sorry, it doesn't belong due to ABC reasons"
2008-02-22 12:16 < Sembiance> and this crap changes from page to page to page
2008-02-22 12:17 < Lycurgus> Taft and a couple of others in the 19th century were fat.
2008-02-22 12:17 < NotACow> chet arthur was pretty chunky, as i recall
2008-02-22 12:17 < Sembiance> NotACow, Red_Farmer: Are there any growing popularity sites out there that aim to fix this?
2008-02-22 12:17 < Lycurgus> garfield too i thing
2008-02-22 12:17 < NotACow> Sembiance: not that i know of.
2008-02-22 12:17 < Lycurgus> k
2008-02-22 12:17 < NotASpider> so it's not cleveland?
2008-02-22 12:17 < NotACow> Sembiance: citizendium is supposed to avoid those problems, but they have almost no buyin and very limited activity
2008-02-22 12:17 < Red_Farmer> I had a guy today that accused all 9 million American citizens of being biased against articles on New Zealand because I tagged one of his articles with a speedy template
2008-02-22 12:18 < Sembiance> I have a bunch of knowledge and information I want to share, but Wikipedia's narrow minded dictatorial rules are just too oppressing
2008-02-22 12:18 < NotACow> Sembiance: wikipedia doesn't have narrow-minded dictatorial rules.
2008-02-22 12:18 < NotACow> Sembiance: wikipedia has narrow-minded dictatorial editors
2008-02-22 12:18 < Sembiance> NotACow: sorry, your right.
2008-02-22 12:18 < Lycurgus> uh ... 9 million ?
2008-02-22 12:18 < NotACow> Red_Farmer: the united states has 300 million citizens
2008-02-22 12:19 < Sembiance> I see such promise in Wikipedia. It could become so awesome, but no, editors fight over the trivial crappy things.
2008-02-22 12:19 < Red_Farmer> oops I quoted the wrong thing :P
2008-02-22 12:19 < Red_Farmer> I was looking at area instead of population
2008-02-22 12:19 < NotACow> Sembiance: wikipedia's promise has come and gone. it's been replaced by a teeming mass of whiny cats
2008-02-22 12:19 < Lycurgus> right on
2008-02-22 12:20 < NotACow> wikipedia has accomplished pretty much all it can hope to accomplish. the road is all downhill from here on.
2008-02-22 12:20 < Lycurgus> spot on. But it's not that bad. There are things you can do like not participating in the English wiki much.
2008-02-22 12:20 < Lycurgus> that's my solution.
2008-02-22 12:20 < NotACow> there might be the occasional uptick, but they're headed to join DMOZ in the septic tank of failed internet-community ventures
2008-02-22 12:21 < NotACow> Lycurgus: yeah, the other projecst haven't gone sour yet. they will eventually, but you can enjoy it while it lasts.
2008-02-22 12:21 < Red_Farmer> well and it's rather frustrating the relatively low percentage of articles which are GA or FA
2008-02-22 12:21 < NotACow> sic transit gloria mundi, i guess
2008-02-22 12:21 < Lycurgus> obviously. The big truth is that revolution done piecewise is fraught with failure.
2008-02-22 12:21 < quanticle> Sembiance: Help! Help! I'm being oppressed! Did you see that? Wikipedia was oppressin' me!
2008-02-22 12:22 < Lycurgus> failur which may advance to an ultimate progressive goal but which will in individual efforts like WP
2008-02-22 12:22 < NotACow> Lycurgus: wikipedia isn't a failure, but it's not a success either.
2008-02-22 12:22 < Lycurgus> ... inevitably express the inherent unresolved contradicitons.
2008-02-22 12:22 < Sembiance> What about Google's upcoming sort of 'pay people' to contribute wiki-like idea? Any chance that will be good?
2008-02-22 12:22 < NotACow> Lycurgus: it's a step, from which later projects will hopefully be able to build further.
2008-02-22 12:22 < Lycurgus> yes.
2008-02-22 12:22 < NotACow> Lycurgus: but this particular project has reached its useful endstate; it is time to start planning where to go from here.
2008-02-22 12:23 < Sembiance> Ugh, DMOZ is horrible. they are slow behind belief in adding new sites
2008-02-22 12:23 < NotACow> Sembiance: DMOZ used to be like Wikipedia.
2008-02-22 12:23 < quanticle> Has anyone else here read Snow Crash, by Stephenson? Doens't the new Google Knol project sound like the CIC database in that book?
2008-02-22 12:23 < NotACow> Sembiance: but it descended into a hell of contributor-fighting
2008-02-22 12:23 < NotACow> Sembiance: and now it's basically crap
2008-02-22 12:23 < NotACow> Sembiance: wikipedia will be in the same place eventually. it might not be for three or four more years, but it's doomed to go there.
2008-02-22 12:24 < NotACow> "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
2008-02-22 12:24 < Lycurgus> or maybe planning the planning.
2008-02-22 12:25 < Sembiance> Well, I'm glad to know that I'm not alone in my bad experiences with wikipedia.
2008-02-22 12:25 < Lycurgus> 'the second time as farce'
2008-02-22 12:25 < Sembiance> :)
2008-02-22 12:25 < Red_Farmer> I like The Onion's take on Wikipedia: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50902
2008-02-22 12:26 < Mike_H> yay, the heat index is already 90 degrees!
2008-02-22 12:26 < Mike_H> We're feeling May weather in February!
2008-02-22 12:26 * NotACow hits Mike_H
2008-02-22 12:26 < Mike_H> I hate this.
2008-02-22 12:28 < NotACow> Red_Farmer: yeah, that's some of their better work.
2008-02-22 12:28 * quanticle envies Mike_H
2008-02-22 12:28 < quanticle> Where do you live, Mike?
2008-02-22 12:29 < quanticle> Is it just quite in here, or am I lagged out?
2008-02-22 12:29 < quanticle> *quiet
2008-02-22 12:30 < Red_Farmer> NotACow, I gave a copy of that article to one of my professors who won't let us use Wikipedia as a source and he posted it on his door lol
2008-02-22 12:31 < NotACow> what's a "door lol"?
2008-02-22 12:31 < Red_Farmer> the door to his office?
2008-02-22 12:32 < Red_Farmer> and lol = laugh out loud
2008-02-22 12:35 < gwern> loldoors
2008-02-22 12:35 < NotACow> doorcats
2008-02-22 12:36 * gwern takes a picture of someone walking into a door, and uses an image macro to put FAIL over it. there, a loldoor!
2008-02-22 12:36 < Lycurgus_> RF: door, lol
2008-02-22 12:37 < Lycurgus_> door. lol oder door; lol.
2008-02-22 12:39 < Red_Farmer> commas are so last year though
2008-02-22 12:45 < cimon> warning, this image is work safe: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Rubber_duckies.jpg
2008-02-22 12:50 < Pilotguy> hello bishonen
2008-02-22 12:51 < Pilotguy> sorry went to get lunch
2008-02-22 12:55 < cimon> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Thomas_Barnett - anyone else think this reads rather congratulatory in style?
2008-02-22 12:56 < cimon> "Barnett admits that he was not the only person at the Pentagon or elsewhere to notice these trends. He credits his superior skills at presenting information with making his point of view rise above others in his field."
2008-02-22 13:01 < Golbez> question
2008-02-22 13:01 < Golbez> when one is citing an author
2008-02-22 13:01 < Mike_H> KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, Kosovo - U.N. police are firing tear gas at 5,000 Serb demonstrators trying to cross a key bridge in the ethnically divided city of Kosovoska Mitrovica.
2008-02-22 13:01 < Golbez> how do you handle Jr.?
2008-02-22 13:01 < Golbez> Tuttle, Jr., Daniel W.?
2008-02-22 13:01 < Golbez> (for an author named Daniel W. Tuttle, Jr.)
2008-02-22 13:01 < Mike_H> yes
2008-02-22 13:01 < Golbez> Thanks
2008-02-22 13:05 < NotACow> MOO
2008-02-22 13:06 < NotACow> i thought it was Tuttle, Daniel W., Jr.
2008-02-22 13:06 < NotACow> but what do i know?
2008-02-22 13:06 < Mike_H> Whatever it is, it's dumb
2008-02-22 13:06 < Mike_H> I'd cut out the Jr. completely
2008-02-22 13:06 < Mike_H> the Sr. no doubt hasn't written any books
2008-02-22 13:06 < NotACow> "Jr." and "Sr." are transient anyway
2008-02-22 13:06 < NotACow> if you're "Junior" you stop being Junior when your dad dies
2008-02-22 13:07 < NotACow> so they really should never be used in bibliographic data
2008-02-22 13:09 < kenlyric> NotACow: you don't really ever stop being Junior
2008-02-22 13:12 < Lycurgus_> and Jr2 is III.
2008-02-22 13:13 < Lycurgus_> *ist
2008-02-22 13:14 < Lycurgus_> *ist der oder ist den?
2008-02-22 13:15 < Mike_H> Jr. is part of your name.
2008-02-22 13:15 < Mike_H> kenlyric is right
2008-02-22 13:16 < Mike_H> that doesn't leave your name when your father dies.
2008-02-22 13:16 < NotACow> kenlyric: miss manners says otherwise.
2008-02-22 13:16 < kenlyric> sometimes if Jr has a III, he will become a II
2008-02-22 13:16 < kenlyric> miss manners is either wrong, or not american.
2008-02-22 13:16 < NotACow> kenlyric: or american usage has deviated from historical practice
2008-02-22 13:17 < kenlyric> possibly.
2008-02-22 13:17 < NotACow> miss manners is almost never wrong :)
2008-02-22 13:17 < kenlyric> everything deviates from historical practice
2008-02-22 13:17 < Mike_H> Miss Manners can blow it out her cooch.
2008-02-22 13:17 < kenlyric> Martin
2008-02-22 13:17 < kenlyric> Luther
2008-02-22 13:17 < kenlyric> King
2008-02-22 13:17 < kenlyric> Jr
2008-02-22 13:17 < Mike_H> .
2008-02-22 13:18 < NotACow> see http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=605232
2008-02-22 13:18 < NotACow> practice is divided
2008-02-22 13:18 < NotACow> some people "move up" on death
2008-02-22 13:18 < NotACow> others consider it permanent
2008-02-22 13:19 < NotACow> wikipedia's article correctly reports that the practice is inconsistent
2008-02-22 13:19 < kenlyric> it was more common when names would continue for generations
2008-02-22 13:19 < kenlyric> they so very rarely go beyond the third these days
2008-02-22 13:19 < NotACow> tom cruise is a IV
2008-02-22 13:19 < NotACow> "Thomas Cruise Mapother IV"
2008-02-22 13:20 < kenlyric> tom cruise is tom cruise crazy
2008-02-22 13:20 < NotACow> the use of ordinals is uncommon outside of nobility and faux nobility (such as the rockefellers)
2008-02-22 13:21 < Tony_Sidaway> People actually put all that "II", "III" etc nonsense on birth certificates?
2008-02-22 13:21 < NotACow> Tony_Sidaway: in the US, sometimes.
2008-02-22 13:21 < Tony_Sidaway> I thought it was just some mad American affectation.
2008-02-22 13:21 < NotACow> Tony_Sidaway: it is, more or less
2008-02-22 13:21 < Tony_Sidaway> A way of saying "my family is too imaginative to think up a new name"
2008-02-22 13:21 < NotACow> Tony_Sidaway: done properly, neither the ordinal nor the jr/sr suffix goes on the BC
2008-02-22 13:21 < Tony_Sidaway> un-
2008-02-22 13:21 < Lycurgus_> kenlyric: what do you expect from someone who isn't that bright and has been made fabulously wealthy on account of his looks
2008-02-22 13:21 < NotACow> Tony_Sidaway: and the suffix is only used socially when necessary to disambiguate
2008-02-22 13:22 < NotACow> Tony_Sidaway: but stupid americans don't realize this and fuck it up :)
2008-02-22 13:22 < Tony_Sidaway> You'd think patriotic Americans would want to avoid appearing to ape the naming conventions of mad European monarchs.
2008-02-22 13:22 < NotACow> Tony_Sidaway: some americans crave the trappings of royalty :)
2008-02-22 13:23 < Tony_Sidaway> So do I. I'd love to have a pretty lady in waiting to fetch me my dress me and bathe me.
2008-02-22 13:24 < kenlyric> I think it has to be one of the most selfish and conceited things in the history of mankind to name your child after yourself.
2008-02-22 13:24 < kenlyric> NOW I'LL NEVER DIE!!!!?!?!
2008-02-22 13:25 < Tony_Sidaway> It could be even worse--you could name your children "centipede", "millipede" and whatnot.
2008-02-22 13:25 < bumm13> that would be awesome :-)
2008-02-22 13:26 < Lycurgus_> TS: I don't think an american monarchy would work like that. On the other in the current plutocracy you can that relatively cheaply.
2008-02-22 13:26 < bumm13> "q*bert" might be a tad eccentric, though
2008-02-22 13:26 < Lycurgus_> *can get that
2008-02-22 13:26 < Tony_Sidaway> There's a family in Terry Pratchett novels that gets this "naming" thing all wrong. The girls are given names like chastity, honesty, etc, which is okay
2008-02-22 13:26 < Tony_Sidaway> But theboys get named after big sins. So we get "Bestiality Carter" (who is quite kind to animals)
2008-02-22 13:27 < Lycurgus_> their malefactors
2008-02-22 13:27 < Lycurgus_> *they're
2008-02-22 13:27 < Tony_Sidaway> As opposed to femalefactors, yes.
2008-02-22 13:28 < Tony_Sidaway> I think the "junior" thing occurs in the UK, but mostly on the celtic fringe.
2008-02-22 13:29 < Tony_Sidaway> Quite often "Junior" becomes the effective given name.
2008-02-22 13:30 < cimon> Mike_H: Outside New Orleans county courthouse, there is a plaque commemorating police officers who died in the name of duty. I seem to recall there are two names that are identical, with both also with III after the name, so at least in that case the III seems to have been updated...
2008-02-22 13:31 < cimon> it may be there are regional differences.
2008-02-22 13:31 < bumm13> Nawlins, being part of Loo-zi-zanna, has them thar parish things ;)
2008-02-22 13:33 < cimon> Tony_Sidaway: I still laugh, whenever I read the name of Capability Brown...
2008-02-22 13:33 < Golbez> Don't you mean
2008-02-22 13:33 < Golbez> PARISH
2008-02-22 13:33 < Golbez> courthouse?
2008-02-22 13:33 < NotASpider> lose-ee-anner has been in the news lately
2008-02-22 13:33 < bumm13> has it?
2008-02-22 13:33 < Golbez> oh, I am already late :(
2008-02-22 13:33 < NotACow> one of my kids is named after his grandfather.
2008-02-22 13:34 < NotASpider> i'm contemplating an Angela Garbarino article but it would probably be deleted
2008-02-22 13:34 < quanticle> Notability?
2008-02-22 13:34 < cimon> NotACow: Capability Browns?
2008-02-22 13:35 < NotASpider> police brutality case got national coverage
2008-02-22 13:35 < NotASpider> http://news.google.com/news?q=%22Angela+Garbarino%22
2008-02-22 13:36 < cimon> Anyone know if booble.com is encyclopedically notable site?
2008-02-22 13:36 < bumm13> I would say that it's not
2008-02-22 13:36 < NotASpider> sounds like a search engine for porn
2008-02-22 13:36 < NotACow> blueboobies.com
2008-02-22 13:36 < NotASpider> zomg it it is
2008-02-22 13:36 < cimon> NotASpider: got it in one.
2008-02-22 13:36 < quanticle> bumm13: They did get sued by Google, so that might make them notable.
2008-02-22 13:37 < bumm13> entities get sued all the time
2008-02-22 13:37 < NotACow> sadly, that domain is registered to a squatter
2008-02-22 13:37 < cimon> bumm13: entitties, you mean...
2008-02-22 13:37 < quanticle> blueboobies?
2008-02-22 13:37 < NotACow> yah
2008-02-22 13:37 < NotASpider> cimon does it meet the WP:PORNSEARCHENGINE notability criteria
2008-02-22 13:38 < quanticle> Wait, does that page even exist?
2008-02-22 13:38 < NotASpider> (">= bomis")
2008-02-22 13:38 < quanticle> NotASpider: ?
2008-02-22 13:38 < quanticle> O_o
2008-02-22 13:39 < bumm13> bomis, roffle
2008-02-22 13:39 < quanticle> bomis?
2008-02-22 13:39 < quanticle> Almost looks like code, is bomis a variable name?
2008-02-22 13:40 < bumm13> it was Jimmy Wales' previous endeavor
2008-02-22 13:40 < bumm13> :P
2008-02-22 13:40 < NotASpider> quanticle RTFA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomis
2008-02-22 13:40 < quanticle> So wikipedia >= bomis?
2008-02-22 13:40 < cimon> quanticle: not on the english wikipedia, but booble.com is up for deletion debate on the finnish wikipedia. I haven't decided which side to vote on yet.
2008-02-22 13:41 < NotASpider> no i'm saying if there was a specialized notability standard for porn search engines, it would be "must be as notable as or more notable than bomis"
2008-02-22 13:41 < cimon> the finnish wikipedia article is pretty decent, with multiple reliable sources etc. so it really comes down to whether we need an article on it.
2008-02-22 13:41 < bumm13> Bomis isn't *that* notable
2008-02-22 13:41 < Kaare> bomis is only notable because of jimbo
2008-02-22 13:42 < bumm13> mostly, yes
2008-02-22 13:42 < quanticle> So is anything related to Jimbo automatically notable?
2008-02-22 13:42 < NotASpider> notability is a facade anyway
2008-02-22 13:42 < cimon> bomis reminds me of a catering service that is located accross the street from my mothers home...
2008-02-22 13:42 < cimon> they are called bomat
2008-02-22 13:42 < NotASpider> borat?
2008-02-22 13:43 < bumm13> boron
2008-02-22 13:43 < Demi> anyone know anything about firefox? is there a way to install an add-on and override firefox's version check?
2008-02-22 13:43 < cimon> my mom used to be regularly annoyed by them, because they would hog parking space with big trucks full of flowers
2008-02-22 13:44 < quanticle> I don't think so. I think the add-on itself contains version information about which versions its compatible with
2008-02-22 13:44 < Demi> surely there can't be that much difference between 3.0b3pre and 3.0b3 eh?
2008-02-22 13:44 < quanticle> Wait. Never mind
2008-02-22 13:44 < quanticle> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Updating_extensions
2008-02-22 13:45 < quanticle> You have to go into about:config and set the compatibility check value to false
2008-02-22 13:45 < NotASpider> maybe you can spoof something in about:config c.c
2008-02-22 13:45 < Demi> i see that, thanks quanticle
2008-02-22 13:45 < NotASpider> ah yes. all i ever bothered changing was the user-agent
2008-02-22 13:46 < Demi> hm, except it doesn't have that parameter
2008-02-22 13:47 < NotASpider> maybe you have to add it manually
2008-02-22 13:47 < Demi> oh yeah
2008-02-22 13:47 < Demi> you're right
2008-02-22 13:47 < bumm13> hiya Demi
2008-02-22 13:48 < gwern> 'the carbon footprint of a single human being is enormous. if you think about it, your honor, I'm an environmentalist.'
2008-02-22 13:48 < gwern> http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=283
2008-02-22 13:48 < quanticle> Demi: You have to create the variable
2008-02-22 13:48 < Demi> i see, thanks
2008-02-22 13:48 < Demi> hi bumm13
2008-02-22 13:48 * gwern eats some boiling applesauce.
2008-02-22 13:48 < bumm13> good ol' Fuegozorro ;)
2008-02-22 13:49 < Demi> that's funny, it actually is messed up
2008-02-22 13:49 < Demi> ah well
2008-02-22 13:51 < Demi> my online banking features are insufficiently powerful
2008-02-22 13:51 < bumm13> in what sense?
2008-02-22 13:52 < Demi> for one thing, i want to be able to post a check i've written to reserve funds for it in the account, and have it displayed with the rest of my transactions
2008-02-22 13:53 < Demi> like type in Check: 5001, Amount $200, Payee: Foo McBar
2008-02-22 13:53 < kenlyric> divide by 0 error, purpose not found
2008-02-22 13:53 < bumm13> hmm
2008-02-22 13:53 < Demi> and it will show the transaction in pending status until the check is submitted for payment
2008-02-22 13:53 < gwern> 'Edit: Regarding today’s comic: Dr. Drake’s first name is Frank, not Francis. He is an astrophysicist, not a 16th-century British Vice-Admiral. Thank you to the several readers who wrote in to correct me — I had always thought Francis Drake was just one long-lived and supremely-accomplished person.'
2008-02-22 13:53 < NotACow> DEATH TO POO
2008-02-22 13:54 < Demi> a second thing i want to do is schedule bill pay payments that aren't going to be paid via bill pay, for example because the payee is debiting the amount or i'm going to write a check
2008-02-22 13:54 < bumm13> I see
2008-02-22 13:55 < Demi> you can probably do that sort of thing with fancy-schmancy personal finance programs
2008-02-22 13:55 < NotACow> Demi: yes, you can
2008-02-22 13:55 < NotACow> Demi: at least with microsoft money, which i used to us
2008-02-22 13:55 < Demi> what's that gnu program? gnu cash?
2008-02-22 13:58 < Mike2> it this notice really necessary? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_%C3%96calan
2008-02-22 14:02 < Demi> gah, i spilled water on my keyboard
2008-02-22 14:03 < NotACow> Demi: unplug it and put over a towel upside down
2008-02-22 14:03 < NotACow> Demi: you can run most keyboards through the dishwasher as long as you let them dry completely before using them
2008-02-22 14:04 < cimon> gwern: did you read about the new city in somewhere abu dhabi or some place, that is built to be totally carbon-neutral?
2008-02-22 14:04 < NotACow> some types (membrane types, mostly) do not tolerate this well, though
2008-02-22 14:05 < gwern> cimon: no. but I would consider that bullshit. you can't build carbon-neutral cities. at best, maybe iut's a little better in the short-term
2008-02-22 14:05 < gwern> http://lolpresident.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/iizsneakin.jpg <-- lolbama
2008-02-22 14:06 < NotACow> heh
2008-02-22 14:06 < NotACow> on january 27, 47 people searched for "today's worst wikipedian in the world"
2008-02-22 14:06 < NotACow> or at least did so, hitting my blog in the process
2008-02-22 14:07 < gwern> who is it?
2008-02-22 14:07 < Demi> NotACow - oh, it's not the first time. it's a good keyboard but i have to switch out while it dries
2008-02-22 14:07 < NotACow> gwern: i called some idiot admin that back in may of 2007
2008-02-22 14:07 < NotACow> i wonder why it was such a big deal back on january 27
2008-02-22 14:07 < gwern> may of 2007 is not today :(
2008-02-22 14:08 * TheWeasel <3 the SPIEGEL archives
2008-02-22 14:08 < TheWeasel> except the fact it uses too much Java
2008-02-22 14:11 < Retsbol> would it be acceptable among wikipedians to set up a sockpuppet to maintain anonymity from attack sites?
2008-02-22 14:12 < Demi> it's hard to say what's acceptable among wikipedians; but only sockpuppet *abuse* should be proscribed
2008-02-22 14:13 < NotACow> ah, it was a referral from wikipedia review.
2008-02-22 14:13 < NotACow> Today's+Worst+Wikipedian+in+the+World
2008-02-22 14:13 < NotACow> er
2008-02-22 14:13 < NotACow> http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=15522&st=0
2008-02-22 14:13 < Retsbol> a (perhaps intentionally anonymous) user has just pointed out to me that WP:SOCK does address legitimate use of socks/alt accounts
2008-02-22 14:14 < Retsbol> actually no, i hadn't read that post, but i'm keenly aware of WR's (among others') habit of launching personal attacks on wikipedians
2008-02-22 14:14 < NotACow> http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/2007/05/today-worst-wikipedian-in-world.html
2008-02-22 14:15 < Retsbol> in particular anyone who gets in the way of their attacks on wp
2008-02-22 14:15 < NotACow> Retsbol: i think you have an unrealistic view of wikipedia review, quite honestly.
2008-02-22 14:16 < Demi> it might not be a great sign that the FAQ for the application i'm downloading includes instructions on getting gdb to work under Windows
2008-02-22 14:16 < Retsbol> NotACow: http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showforum=57
2008-02-22 14:17 < NotACow> Retsbol: your point being?
2008-02-22 14:17 < NotACow> Retsbol: there are equally bad pages on wikipedia, you know