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2008-02-20 23:28 < Lucifer_Cat> http://cdn-i.dmdentertainment.com/cracked/img/articles/muppets/muppets1.jpg
2008-02-20 23:28 < Lucifer_Cat> plan to work for a cpl years atleast. or maybe till the recession blows over.
2008-02-20 23:29 < quanticle> Supposedly the Cookie Monster now says, "Cookies are a sometimes food."
2008-02-20 23:29 < bumm13> lol
2008-02-20 23:29 < quanticle> Political correctness has gone too far, I say.
2008-02-20 23:29 < quanticle> First Oscar, and now this?
2008-02-20 23:29 < Lucifer_Cat> y?
2008-02-20 23:29 < FastLizard4> Now that I finished the said survey, I will now see if PowerPoint has decided to come out of its coma
2008-02-20 23:29 < bumm13> Oscar now lives in a recycling bin?
2008-02-20 23:29 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.google.si/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=who%20is%20a%20failure&btnG=Search
2008-02-20 23:30 < quanticle> Oscar isn't as grouchy as he used to be...
2008-02-20 23:30 < bumm13> blarg
2008-02-20 23:30 < Krimpet> not to mention the Snuffleufagus is no longer invisible -_-
2008-02-20 23:30 < quanticle> They seriously nerfed his grouchyiness
2008-02-20 23:30 < quanticle> Yeah
2008-02-20 23:30 < quanticle> What's up with that
2008-02-20 23:30 < bumm13> Krimpet: that was decades ago
2008-02-20 23:30 < quanticle> Also, have you noticed that the old Sesame Street DVDs now carry a label that says that they might not be appropriate for little kids anymore?
2008-02-20 23:31 < bumm13> ...
2008-02-20 23:31 < quanticle> Yeah.
2008-02-20 23:31 < bumm13> that's fucked up
2008-02-20 23:31 < Lucifer_Cat> wow.
2008-02-20 23:31 < ALLSTARecho> thanks to Republicans who refused to fund PBS unless they bowed down
2008-02-20 23:31 < Krimpet> geez
2008-02-20 23:31 < Lucifer_Cat> cuz sesame street is definitely not suitable for adults for sure.
2008-02-20 23:32 < quanticle> Yeah. Absolute and utter cowpatty, is what I say to that...
2008-02-20 23:32 < Lucifer_Cat> crazy ppl
2008-02-20 23:32 < quanticle> More like political correctness run amok.
2008-02-20 23:33 < bumm13> whitewashing history will only cause its negative actions to be repeated
2008-02-20 23:33 < Lucifer_Cat> first the warning labels go down the slope... now this
2008-02-20 23:34 < bumm13> we also don't need a populace of completely-passive wimps
2008-02-20 23:35 < quanticle> Hah. I found the story: "Sesame Street Vol. 1 and 2 now carry a label that says that these episodes are for 'grown-ups'": http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/magazine/18wwln-medium-t.html?ref=magazine
2008-02-20 23:35 < Krimpet> well, you've got two forces of censorship that duke it out all the time: the anti-violence, uber-PC crowd, and the puritanical anti-sex crowd.
2008-02-20 23:35 < quanticle> And sometimes those forces align, and that's when you know you've got trouble
2008-02-20 23:36 < Ceiling_Cat> Oh snap
2008-02-20 23:36 < Ceiling_Cat> the teamsters endorsed obama
2008-02-20 23:37 < Krimpet> Alistair Cookie, played by Cookie Monster, used to appear with a pipe, which he later gobbled. According to Parente, “That modeled the wrong behavior” — smoking, eating pipes — “so we reshot those scenes without the pipe, and then we dropped the parody altogether.”
2008-02-20 23:37 < ALLSTARecho> yeah, like the admin that deleted one of my userboxes that said "Fighting online is like being in the [[Special Olympics]]. You might win but you're still [[retarded]]."
2008-02-20 23:37 < ALLSTARecho> PC indeed
2008-02-20 23:37 < Lucifer_Cat> http://i26.tinypic.com/21jc7pf.gif
2008-02-20 23:38 < quanticle> I don't know. I don't think endorsements have mattered very much this year.
2008-02-20 23:38 < quanticle> John Kerry endorsed Obama, as did the Kennedys, but Clinton still won Mass.
2008-02-20 23:38 < NotACow> DEATH TO POLITICS
2008-02-20 23:38 < quanticle> POLITICS TO DEATH
2008-02-20 23:39 < Sgt_johnson> DEATH TO... COWS... MEAT FTW
2008-02-20 23:39 < Lucifer_Cat> POLITICIZE DEATH
2008-02-20 23:39 < Sgt_johnson> Sorry if I offended any vegans in the process
2008-02-20 23:39 < NotACow> Lucifer_Cat: been there, done that
2008-02-20 23:39 < quanticle> I'm not sure about the vegans, but you did just offend a Hindu </sarcasm>
2008-02-20 23:39 < Lucifer_Cat> Sgt_johnson: vegans usually dont get offended by ppl talking bout eating meat. cow huggers do.
2008-02-20 23:39 < Sgt_johnson> wow
2008-02-20 23:39 < Sgt_johnson> uh huh
2008-02-20 23:40 < Sgt_johnson> I just enjoy mah steaks
2008-02-20 23:40 < quanticle> "Cow huggers"?
2008-02-20 23:40 < NotACow> "cow huggers"?
2008-02-20 23:40 < Lucifer_Cat> umm.. well animal lovers
2008-02-20 23:40 < NotACow> i have never seen anyone hug a cow.
2008-02-20 23:40 < NotACow> it sounds like a bad idea.
2008-02-20 23:40 < Lucifer_Cat> though Hindus DO get offended i guess.
2008-02-20 23:40 < Sgt_johnson> i've seen people milk a cow
2008-02-20 23:40 < quanticle> Heh. On the internet animal lover means something *completely* different
2008-02-20 23:40 < Sgt_johnson> But i've never seen them hug a cow
2008-02-20 23:41 < NotACow> ever seen anyone cow a milk?
2008-02-20 23:41 < quanticle> Really? I've seen people hug cows. Especially if the cow is considered a pet, rather than another bit of livestock
2008-02-20 23:41 < Lucifer_Cat> i had really bitchy cousins/sibling growing up.. so i stopped getting offended by anything.
2008-02-20 23:41 < NotACow> quanticle: having a pet cow is weird.
2008-02-20 23:41 < quanticle> Tell that to the 4-H kids...
2008-02-20 23:41 < NotACow> quanticle: they're weird too
2008-02-20 23:42 < ALLSTARecho> Muslims definitely get offended if [[Muhammad]] is any indicator
2008-02-20 23:42 < Lucifer_Cat> NotACow: he means the ppl who have cows as a means of non mean livelihood
2008-02-20 23:42 < quanticle> Hey, I'm just sayin'
2008-02-20 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> or maybe that has to do with my not giving any thought to what ppl say.
2008-02-20 23:43 < Lucifer_Cat> i have been surprised by ppl getting offended by really stupid things when theres no need to.
2008-02-20 23:43 < quanticle> "Originally designed by Jim Henson for use in commercials for General Foods International and Frito-Lay, Cookie Monster was never a righteous figure. His controversial conversion to a more diverse diet wouldn’t come until 2005, and in the early seasons he comes across a Child’s First Addict.
2008-02-20 23:43 < quanticle> Wow
2008-02-20 23:44 < quanticle> Way to hate on good ol' CM
2008-02-20 23:45 < uberpenguin> scapegoating is a valid substitute for parenting
2008-02-20 23:45 < Takamatsu> Does [[User:ZimZalaBim]] have a presence in IRC?
2008-02-20 23:45 < bumm13> indeed
2008-02-20 23:45 < uberpenguin> I seem to recall watching 'ol CM in my childhood and magically I've managed not to become addicted to anything
2008-02-20 23:45 < uberpenguin> except for hams
2008-02-20 23:46 < uberpenguin> delicious delicious hams
2008-02-20 23:46 < quanticle> Mmmm, ham
2008-02-20 23:46 < uberpenguin> O GOD I NEED SOME NOW
2008-02-20 23:46 < Mahlzahn> Some of the so called "metapedians" *really* piss me off. It takes then 10 seconds to create 20 subcategories, but I have to go through and CfD them individually. Fucking burocracy.
2008-02-20 23:47 < quanticle> What the hell is a metapedian?
2008-02-20 23:47 < Mahlzahn> a dickhead who knows the RightThing(TM)
2008-02-20 23:47 < Mahlzahn> and likes to categorize
2008-02-20 23:47 < uberpenguin> same thing as a wikipedo, then
2008-02-20 23:47 < bumm13> which is....?
2008-02-20 23:47 < uberpenguin> that kid who always pissed you off in english class
2008-02-20 23:48 < quanticle> So one of those people who cateogrize their underwear by day of week
2008-02-20 23:48 < quanticle> Or the jerk that actually has a folder for every task category
2008-02-20 23:48 < Mahlzahn> yes. those.
2008-02-20 23:48 < Mahlzahn> "Swedish Zoroastrians"
2008-02-20 23:49 < bumm13> Swedish.....Zoroastrians? :x
2008-02-20 23:49 < Lucifer_Cat> lol what was that
2008-02-20 23:49 < Mahlzahn> Yes. Indeed.
2008-02-20 23:49 < Daniel_Bush> You can't wear Thursday underpants on a Monday! Then you'll be wearing your Tuesday ones on Sunday, and everything will get confusing. Did you write those words on the tags in Sharpie for nothing
2008-02-20 23:49 < quanticle> "This is my 'fuck wikipedia up' folder. It is where I put all of my inane ideas about what stupid categories to make.."
2008-02-20 23:50 < Lucifer_Cat> also, the 'fuck wiki up' folder has a 100 subfolders, each of which go 10 levels deep
2008-02-20 23:50 < Mahlzahn> I kid you not => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Swedish_Zoroastrians
2008-02-20 23:50 < OvrLrd-Q> heh @ category
2008-02-20 23:50 < Lucifer_Cat> word
2008-02-20 23:51 < NotACow> dorp!
2008-02-20 23:51 < bumm13> categories really aren't important enough to warrant a CfD, IMO
2008-02-20 23:51 < NotACow> bumm13: but there must be a process else people will feel left out
2008-02-20 23:52 < Mahlzahn> This is one of those few times where I wish I were an admin... ;)
2008-02-20 23:52 < quanticle> I think we should phrase these categories as sets, and analyze them using set theory. If a set's cardinality is too low, then it gets deleted. If a set intersects too much with another set, delete. Subsets are ok, as long as they meet cardinality requirements, etc.
2008-02-20 23:52 * NotACow checks Mahlzahn's medication
2008-02-20 23:52 < Takamatsu> Once again, Does [[User:ZimZalaBim]] have a presence in IRC?
2008-02-20 23:52 < bumm13> Takamatsu: nope
2008-02-20 23:52 < quanticle> I don't think so
2008-02-20 23:52 < Daniel_Bush> "Category: Liberal Republicans" "Category: NASA officials of Danish ethnicity" "Category: Sandwiches originating in northwestern Asia"
2008-02-20 23:52 < quanticle> I haven't seen him or her around
2008-02-20 23:52 < Mahlzahn> NotACow: yes, very sad.
2008-02-20 23:52 < quanticle> Singleton sets should be autodeleted
2008-02-20 23:53 < Lucifer_Cat> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/810359/japanese_extreme_prank/ <--- i find this funny... does anyone else too or do i need help?
2008-02-20 23:53 < NotACow> i read that as "Simpleton sets should be autodeleted"
2008-02-20 23:53 < Takamatsu> He is antagonizing me on the article [[eBay Boycott of 2008]]. I don't know how to cite properly. Someone could link me to a guideline, if they could please?
2008-02-20 23:53 < NotACow> quanticle: if you did that, then no category could ever be created except by editing a template.
2008-02-20 23:53 < Mahlzahn> Heck, Category:Persian gods has been empty for 2 years, but some squatter doesn't want to get it deleted, so it stays. :)
2008-02-20 23:53 < The359> [[WP:CITE]], Takamatsu
2008-02-20 23:53 < bumm13> the solution would be to delete that article
2008-02-20 23:53 < NotACow> what in the world makes you think that some boycott of ebay is encyclopedic?
2008-02-20 23:54 * The359 was thinking the same thing
2008-02-20 23:54 < The359> It should simply be merged into [[eBay]], Takamatsu
2008-02-20 23:54 < quanticle> NotACow: Well, within certain time limits, of course. If a category sat as a singleton set for more than a week, say, it ought to be deleted, or made into a redirect
2008-02-20 23:54 < Takamatsu> [[Montgomery bus boycott]], anyone?
2008-02-20 23:54 < NotACow> quanticle: you can't redirect categories
2008-02-20 23:54 < bumm13> (oh good, it's already at AfD)
2008-02-20 23:54 < NotACow> Takamatsu: that takes moxie.
2008-02-20 23:54 < The359> "A notable shipwreck affected thousands of people. These policy & fee changes affected *millions*."
2008-02-20 23:54 < The359> Uhhhh...
2008-02-20 23:55 < NotACow> The359: haha
2008-02-20 23:55 < quanticle> I meant turn the category into a redirect to the lone article...
2008-02-20 23:55 < The359> The shipwreck isn't notable because it affected thousands of people
2008-02-20 23:55 < bumm13> you're comparing eBay miscellany to the U.S. Civil Rights Movement?
2008-02-20 23:55 < The359> it's notable because....a fucking ship wrecked
2008-02-20 23:55 < Takamatsu> eBay's users number in the hundreds of millions, actually.
2008-02-20 23:55 < quanticle> Are all shipwrecks inherenly notable?
2008-02-20 23:55 < The359> So?
2008-02-20 23:56 < The359> I'd say it depends on the size and nature of the ship
2008-02-20 23:56 < Mahlzahn> quanticle: no.
2008-02-20 23:56 < The359> as well as any effects it might have
2008-02-20 23:56 < Mahlzahn> The359: and when it happened
2008-02-20 23:56 < NotACow> Takamatsu: and rescheduling the start of some random TV show affects even more people, but it doesn't merit an encyclopedia article
2008-02-20 23:56 < The359> that too
2008-02-20 23:56 < The359> The eBay policy change can easily fit into [[eBay]]
2008-02-20 23:56 < NotACow> Takamatsu: else we could argue that there should be one for [[Chicagoland snowfall of February 14, 2008]]
2008-02-20 23:56 < The359> You know, the article discussing...eBay
2008-02-20 23:56 * Cyrius starts humming The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
2008-02-20 23:56 < quanticle> Great song.
2008-02-20 23:57 < Takamatsu> NAC, what TV show did you think did the most damage when rescheduled?
2008-02-20 23:57 < quanticle> So what would make a shipwreck notable?
2008-02-20 23:57 < The359> What damage is being done by eBay upping their prices a bit?
2008-02-20 23:57 < Takamatsu> Media coverage, perhaps.
2008-02-20 23:57 < The359> Oh no, people aren't using eBay!
2008-02-20 23:57 < The359> the world has stopped
2008-02-20 23:58 < The359> Seriously, why didn't you put this in the existing [[eBay]] article, Takamatsu?
2008-02-20 23:58 < NotACow> [[The Great NBC Lineup Shuffle of 2009]]
2008-02-20 23:58 < Ceiling_Cat> article does not exist
2008-02-20 23:58 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: thank god
2008-02-20 23:58 < Lucifer_Cat> lol
2008-02-20 23:58 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: if it did i'd be REALLY freaked.
2008-02-20 23:58 * Takamatsu lols at the edmund fitzgerald tune
2008-02-20 23:59 < ALLSTARecho> the ebay boycott?
2008-02-20 23:59 < NotACow> Takamatsu: come back when you've written a song about the boycott and that song has made the top-40 charts
2008-02-20 23:59 < Lucifer_Cat> brb
2008-02-20 23:59 < The359> "Millions of people have been burned, angered, and ripped off by the changes in eBay's policies."
2008-02-21 00:00 < The359> Funny, I don't recall EVERY eBay user being upset about this
2008-02-21 00:00 < quanticle> {{cite}}
2008-02-21 00:00 < The359> Let alone "angered"
2008-02-21 00:00 < The359> and "ripped off"? gtfo
2008-02-21 00:00 < quanticle> Heh.
2008-02-21 00:00 < Takamatsu> I'll leave that up to [[Weird Al Yankovic]], NAC.
2008-02-21 00:00 < quanticle> Its definitely not NPOV, I'll give you that
2008-02-21 00:00 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBay_Boycott_of_2008 I LOVE the bolded MILLIONS
2008-02-21 00:01 * The359 is also certain that a large portion of eBay's membership is not actually selling items, but merely buying
2008-02-21 00:01 * Takamatsu either writes a rough draft or touches up a pre-existing content. He doesn't do both.
2008-02-21 00:01 < The359> So you're lazy?
2008-02-21 00:01 < ALLSTARecho> Many sellers have since migrated in droves to other auctioning sites, like ????
2008-02-21 00:01 < ALLSTARecho> lol
2008-02-21 00:01 < Takamatsu> Is this a paid job?
2008-02-21 00:01 < ALLSTARecho> listings are only down 3%
2008-02-21 00:01 < bumm13> it has question marks?
2008-02-21 00:02 < ALLSTARecho> and this has been going on 3 days now?
2008-02-21 00:02 < OvrLrd-Q> "Moreover, it was announced that sellers could no longer leave negative nor neutral feedback." rofl? this true?
2008-02-21 00:02 < quanticle> The supposed "boycott"
2008-02-21 00:02 * The359 has yet to see the '''MILLIONS'''
2008-02-21 00:02 < OvrLrd-Q> oh wait
2008-02-21 00:02 < OvrLrd-Q> sellers, nm
2008-02-21 00:02 < Takamatsu> Let me find an excerpt from the links
2008-02-21 00:02 < quanticle> Hell, I haven't even seen '''THOUSANDS'''
2008-02-21 00:03 < The359> at best, this belongs on Wikinews
2008-02-21 00:03 < ALLSTARecho> it says sellers have migrated in *droves* yet listings are only down 3% according to consumerist.com
2008-02-21 00:03 < The359> which I'm sure they already have a story on
2008-02-21 00:03 < bumm13> OvrLrd-Q: the concerns sellers have aren't made up
2008-02-21 00:03 < Ceiling_Cat> omg
2008-02-21 00:03 < Ceiling_Cat> A seaworthy 16,000 ton aircraft carrier, formerly the British HMS Vengeance, was listed early in 2004. The auction was removed when eBay determined that the vessel qualified as ordnance, even though all weapons systems had been removed.
2008-02-21 00:03 < bumm13> but this article is basically bunk
2008-02-21 00:03 < Ceiling_Cat> That would make an *AWESOME* Trash clue
2008-02-21 00:03 < The359> lol
2008-02-21 00:03 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-21 00:04 < The359> yeah, I can understand being upset about having to pay more
2008-02-21 00:04 < bumm13> I have my purchased Pepsi points, I want my Harrier jet!
2008-02-21 00:04 < The359> But this is not Wikipedia-worthy
2008-02-21 00:04 < The359> At least, as a seperate article
2008-02-21 00:04 < The359> As I've been saying
2008-02-21 00:04 < The359> Integrate it into [[eBay]]
2008-02-21 00:04 < The359> Without all the original research as well
2008-02-21 00:04 < Takamatsu> OvrLrd-Q, "Feedback abilities will now be limited to sellers so that they can only leave positive feedback for buyers. Buyers will still be able to leave positive and negative feedback." See http://businessshrink.biz/psychologyofbusiness/2008/02/19/ebay-sellers-boycott-gains-traction-competing-sites-grow/
2008-02-21 00:04 < NotACow> Ceiling_Cat: that's great.
2008-02-21 00:05 < NotACow> OvrLrd-Q: ebay did take away seller feedback because sellers abused it so broadly
2008-02-21 00:05 < The359> ok, Takamatsu, you've yet to answer
2008-02-21 00:05 < uberpenguin> remember back in the day when you could actually find deals on ebay?
2008-02-21 00:05 < The359> Why didn't you simply put that in the [[eBay]] article?
2008-02-21 00:05 < NotACow> so how many people are boycotting?
2008-02-21 00:05 < Takamatsu> 359, I was afraid some biased user who favors eBay would have removed from [[eBay]] what I placed in the boycott article.
2008-02-21 00:05 < The359> ...
2008-02-21 00:05 < bumm13> ebay is for finding stuff you can't easily find elsewhere
2008-02-21 00:05 < NotACow> uberpenguin: we still occasionally buy stuff on ebay, but it's not common
2008-02-21 00:06 < The359> if they did, they'd be reverted
2008-02-21 00:06 < uberpenguin> NotACow: how many of you are there?
2008-02-21 00:06 < The359> Aren't your claims biased, Takamatsu?
2008-02-21 00:06 < NotACow> uberpenguin: "we" being me and the rest of my family :)
2008-02-21 00:06 < NotACow> The359: no, he's not biased.
2008-02-21 00:06 < uberpenguin> the only things I ever look for on ebay is old test equipment and radios which I can salvage things from
2008-02-21 00:06 < Takamatsu> Actually, JpGordon watches the [[eBay]] article and he has a LOT of powers on WP. Moreover, he's a former eBay employee.
2008-02-21 00:06 < NotACow> uberpenguin: we bought a bunch of old china on ebay last year
2008-02-21 00:06 < The359> "commenced on February 18, 2008 by millions of sellers & buyers who feel the new fees & feedback structures are unfair." That's not biased?
2008-02-21 00:06 < Takamatsu> Likely nobody would want to revert Jp, of all people.
2008-02-21 00:07 < The359> I'm pretty certain no one is afraid of another user, Takamatsu
2008-02-21 00:07 < NotACow> how many people are actually participating in this boycott?
2008-02-21 00:07 < The359> I think your paranoia is a bit unfounded
2008-02-21 00:07 < The359> ALLSTARecho claims eBay has only had a 3% drop in sales, NotACow
2008-02-21 00:07 < The359> So millions, it is not
2008-02-21 00:07 < Takamatsu> the people are the ones who felt those changes were unfair. It's hard to argue against the masses.
2008-02-21 00:08 < The359> Masses?
2008-02-21 00:08 < The359> How the fuck do you even know if you're a majority?
2008-02-21 00:08 < bumm13> actually, it's not
2008-02-21 00:08 < ALLSTARecho> Consumerist.com claims that
2008-02-21 00:08 < Takamatsu> let's hope so, that they're unfounded, because you know what all JpGordon is and has.
2008-02-21 00:08 < The359> Where did you get your "millions" number, Takamatsu?
2008-02-21 00:09 < ALLSTARecho> http://consumerist.com/358731/the-great-ebay-boycott-is-officially-on-will-anyone-notice
2008-02-21 00:09 < The359> No, I don't know what JpGordon is, and I don't really care
2008-02-21 00:09 < The359> Because he's not in charge of the eBay article
2008-02-21 00:09 < GaryKing> Hey guys, in a template, I am outputting the current date. If I subst: the template, how can I make the date permanent, instead of continuing to use the #time function?
2008-02-21 00:09 < The359> and if he attempted to, I'm more than certain others would find out about it
2008-02-21 00:09 < NotACow> The359: is that 3% seasonally adjusted?
2008-02-21 00:09 < Takamatsu> He's an arbitrator, checkuser, oversighter, a lot of positions of power. I think he's even a steward.
2008-02-21 00:09 < The359> So, Takamatsu?
2008-02-21 00:09 * NotACow snorts
2008-02-21 00:10 < The359> I wouldn't know, NotACow
2008-02-21 00:10 < The359> I don't see any edits by a user named JpGordon in the eBay history's most recent edits
2008-02-21 00:10 < NotACow> Takamatsu: what's your purpose here?
2008-02-21 00:11 < Takamatsu> And of all people, he's also a former ebay employee. It'd be easy to expect a bias from someone like him. Someone with ties (current or otherwise) to ebay may want to only post about the company in a good light.
2008-02-21 00:11 < The359> he was claiming to be antagonized by the user who nominated [[EBay Boycott of 2008]], NotACow
2008-02-21 00:11 < NotACow> The359: yes, i want to know what his purpose is
2008-02-21 00:11 < The359> If he's a former eBay employee, he shouldn't be editing [[eBay]] so as it is
2008-02-21 00:11 < nokmar> [[Argumentum ad hominem]]
2008-02-21 00:11 < Takamatsu> Alas, he still does.
2008-02-21 00:11 * ALLSTARecho gos and lists 2 Nintendo DS' for sale on eBay just for the hell of it.. i got 3, only need 1
2008-02-21 00:12 * NotACow bids five cents for both
2008-02-21 00:12 < ALLSTARecho> haha
2008-02-21 00:12 * _sj| bumps NotACow's bids by an eighth of a farthing at the last second
2008-02-21 00:12 < ALLSTARecho> i bought a PSP so I got to get some of that back
2008-02-21 00:12 < The359> I see very few edits by [[User:Jpgordon]] on [[eBay]] in the past few days.
2008-02-21 00:12 < The359> hell
2008-02-21 00:13 < ALLSTARecho> The boycott article looks like it was written by a disgruntled seller
2008-02-21 00:13 < NotACow> i should make some treen and sell it on eBay
2008-02-21 00:13 < _sj|> I'm scared of a few wikipedians
2008-02-21 00:13 < The359> probably only 4 or 5 edits, all reverting, since mid-January
2008-02-21 00:13 < _sj|> not because of their uber wiki power
2008-02-21 00:13 < _sj|> but because I've met them
2008-02-21 00:13 < _sj|> in the flesh
2008-02-21 00:13 * ALLSTARecho should sell Wikipedia articles on eBay
2008-02-21 00:13 < NotACow> ALLSTARecho: there's a smallish number of disgruntled sellers, most of whom were assholes anyway
2008-02-21 00:13 < NotACow> ALLSTARecho: admin accounts
2008-02-21 00:13 < _sj|> noone should ever mess with dror k
2008-02-21 00:13 < _sj|> it's just unwise
2008-02-21 00:13 < NotACow> _sj|: aw, dror is cute
2008-02-21 00:13 < ALLSTARecho> yeah, that's why i said that line in the article about sellers leaving in "droves" was hillarious
2008-02-21 00:13 < NotACow> _sj|: domas, on the other hand.....
2008-02-21 00:14 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EBay&diff=190648197&oldid=190642847 Wow, such bias and control...
2008-02-21 00:14 < The359> He reverted...vandalism
2008-02-21 00:14 < _sj|> good point. poles have a mean temper, and domas is *big*
2008-02-21 00:14 < NotACow> _sj|: not to mention that domas is actually lithuanian
2008-02-21 00:15 < _sj|> he keeps saying that
2008-02-21 00:15 < NotACow> _sj|: it says he is on meta!
2008-02-21 00:15 < _sj|> everyone knows better than to contradict someone that size
2008-02-21 00:15 < The359> And yes, Jpgordon is a administrator, checkuser, on the Oversight Committee, and an arbitrator
2008-02-21 00:15 < _sj|> if I weren't drunk on lunar totality, I would be scared
2008-02-21 00:16 < The359> but I doubt he'd be put in those positions if he showed some of the things you claimed him to be, Takamatsu
2008-02-21 00:16 < NotACow> there's an "oversight committee"?
2008-02-21 00:16 < The359> erm, he's an Oversight
2008-02-21 00:16 < _sj|> jpgordon is a very level-headed editor, which is why
2008-02-21 00:16 < The359> or whatever it's supposed to be
2008-02-21 00:16 < NotACow> underheard
2008-02-21 00:16 < NotACow> "oversight" is such a terrible name
2008-02-21 00:16 < _sj|> I wonder when's the last time he scared anyone
2008-02-21 00:17 < nokmar> I think there's just a massive cabal conspiracy
2008-02-21 00:17 < _sj|> so massive even the cabal doesn't know about it
2008-02-21 00:17 < The359> it's the eBay Conspiracy
2008-02-21 00:17 < _sj|> only former ebay employees
2008-02-21 00:17 < nokmar> dedicated to subjugating the poor people into writing good things about eBay
2008-02-21 00:18 < The359> They're obviously the ones who are getting all the money from the increased selling feels
2008-02-21 00:18 < bumm13> zomgz!
2008-02-21 00:19 < nokmar> of course, jpgordon is at the head of this conspiracy
2008-02-21 00:19 < bumm13> him and his fish sticks
2008-02-21 00:19 < nokmar> takamatsu is dedicated to fighting this atrocity
2008-02-21 00:20 < publunch> miaow
2008-02-21 00:20 < bumm13> miaow!
2008-02-21 00:20 < bumm13> =^o.o^=
2008-02-21 00:20 < publunch> hey!
2008-02-21 00:21 < bumm13> howdy publunch
2008-02-21 00:21 < nokmar> back to work
2008-02-21 00:21 < The359> enough fun
2008-02-21 00:22 * bumm13 waves to muddypaws
2008-02-21 00:22 < publunch> muddy is fine
2008-02-21 00:24 < Lucifer_Cat> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080208
2008-02-21 00:25 < OvrLrd-Q> Aghaghahga kobayashi duels a bear
2008-02-21 00:26 < OvrLrd-Q> in a hotdog eating contest
2008-02-21 00:28 < evanseeds> ok, so. If i'm new page patrolling, right. If i edit the page, then the "mark this page as patrolled" link is no longer there. Is there some other way to do this, or should I just click the link before I edit?
2008-02-21 00:29 < jeremyb> i think there's an option to prohibit patrolling self
2008-02-21 00:30 < Mahlzahn> too harsh? => Well, I've decided you can hang on to your categories since they make you happy. Its too much trouble for ''me'' to file a CfD for ''your'' illiteracy/insanity. I'm invoking IAR here. If you don't like it, take it to AN/I, or Arb or whatever.
2008-02-21 00:30 < OvrLrd-Q> yea, can't patrol pages you've edited iirc
2008-02-21 00:52 < evanseeds> [[WP:NPPLOG]] says that you can't mark as patrolled your own creation, but also says "#
2008-02-21 00:52 < evanseeds> # Any page that is not speedy deletable but still has issues should be marked as patrolled after it has been fixed or tagged."
2008-02-21 00:53 < evanseeds> if you are supposed to mark it as patrolled after you fix/tag it, what gives?
2008-02-21 00:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Hrmmmmmm
2008-02-21 00:53 * Ceiling_Cat is in a quandry
2008-02-21 00:54 < Ceiling_Cat> A good one though
2008-02-21 00:54 < Ceiling_Cat> A professional photographer (one who photographs models) just sent a pic to the photo submissionq queue. He's willing to license it cc-by-sa and everything, but there's just one catch --
2008-02-21 00:55 < Ceiling_Cat> the pic itself has been photoshopped to include where it was taken, and the photographer's name and URL
2008-02-21 00:55 < kmccoy> Ceiling_Cat, just send him the pictures of you naked and hope he keeps them private.
2008-02-21 00:55 < Ceiling_Cat> I need think of a polite way of asking him to send me the unmodified photo, and letting me put all the meta-data onto the image page
2008-02-21 00:55 < kmccoy> Ceiling_Cat, can you just crop it out?
2008-02-21 00:56 < Ceiling_Cat> kmccoy - easily, BUT, I don't want to offend him
2008-02-21 00:56 < Ceiling_Cat> I want him to be very happy with the experience, so he'll send us more
2008-02-21 00:56 < kmccoy> Bah. Piss him off and drive him away, it's way more fun.
2008-02-21 00:56 < FastLizard4> Ceiling_Cat: I am relatively certain that there is a policy covering that, why don't you point to the policy?
2008-02-21 00:57 < Ceiling_Cat> FastLizard4 - because quoting policy to him is unlikely to make him happy
2008-02-21 00:57 < FastLizard4> hmm
2008-02-21 00:57 < FastLizard4> This is a hard one
2008-02-21 00:57 < saawehads> rauuuul
2008-02-21 00:57 < Ceiling_Cat> hello saawehads
2008-02-21 00:58 < Ceiling_Cat> FastLizard4 - I need to let him know about hte existance of the image page
2008-02-21 00:58 < FastLizard4> Ceiling_Cat: that's a good way to attack it
2008-02-21 00:59 < bumm13> hiya kmccoy
2008-02-21 00:59 < kmccoy> bumm13. :)
2008-02-21 01:00 * FastLizard4 is now going to bed, good night!
2008-02-21 01:01 < Ceiling_Cat> FastLizard4 - where is that policy?
2008-02-21 01:01 < FastLizard4> Ceiling_Cat: I just know it exists, something about watermarks in images
2008-02-21 01:02 < FastLizard4> Perhaps I can be of greater help tomorrow, need... sleep!
2008-02-21 01:20 < cimon> somebody with ops screw the topic back to something resembling normality...
2008-02-21 01:22 < Werdna> 06:16 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- An access level of [10] is required for [OP] on #wikipedia
2008-02-21 01:22 < Werdna> I had ops once
2008-02-21 01:22 * Werdna shrugs
2008-02-21 01:22 < cimon> likewise
2008-02-21 01:22 < publunch> miaow
2008-02-21 01:22 < cimon> welcome to it imo
2008-02-21 01:23 < cimon> but that topic is from too far up Rauls fat ass
2008-02-21 01:27 * bumm13 NP: Billy Idol - Rebel Yell (1983)
2008-02-21 01:31 < bumm13> wheeeeeeee!
2008-02-21 01:33 < SonicAD> is it me, or does the moon seem brighter shortly after an eclipse?
2008-02-21 01:33 < SonicAD> maybe because of the way it's aligned with the sun?
2008-02-21 01:33 < SonicAD> because it's 1:30 and it's just bright enough I can read a book outside
2008-02-21 01:44 < publunch> miaow
2008-02-21 01:46 * Ceiling_Cat cuddles with publunch
2008-02-21 01:47 < Ceiling_Cat> http://www.arras.net/weblog/Sphynx-Cat.jpg
2008-02-21 01:47 < Ceiling_Cat> So cute!
2008-02-21 01:50 < bumm13> ick
2008-02-21 01:50 * Lucifer_Cat watches Ceiling_Cat and Sphynx_Cat hit it
2008-02-21 01:51 < publunch> hey Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-21 01:51 < Ceiling_Cat> hello publunch
2008-02-21 01:51 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender%27s_Game#Film
2008-02-21 01:51 * Ceiling_Cat cries
2008-02-21 01:51 < Ceiling_Cat> I have been waiting for that movie since high school
2008-02-21 01:52 < Ceiling_Cat> they are never going to make it
2008-02-21 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Ender's Game (video game)]]
2008-02-21 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Hrmm
2008-02-21 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> that's the first time I've heard of that
2008-02-21 01:53 < publunch> oh
2008-02-21 01:54 < publunch> Well, movie directors usually do nasty things to novels.
2008-02-21 01:55 < Ceiling_Cat> yes, especially Paul Verhoeven
2008-02-21 02:00 < publunch> seven o'clock !
2008-02-21 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> Question
2008-02-21 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> I hope this isn't stupid - how does one go about creating a new font?
2008-02-21 02:05 < publunch> hmm
2008-02-21 02:05 < publunch> dunno
2008-02-21 02:06 < Ceiling_Cat> does there exist free software to do it?
2008-02-21 02:06 < Ceiling_Cat> http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/
2008-02-21 02:07 < Ceiling_Cat> LULZ
2008-02-21 02:07 * Ceiling_Cat just got an amusing email
2008-02-21 02:08 < Ceiling_Cat> Matthias (who sends the com-com emails about recent stories about wikipedia) just sent me an email about a new wikipedia related story: "How the Social Web saved the Semantic Web"
2008-02-21 02:08 < Ceiling_Cat> his commentary "Here's a strong candidate for the 2008 bullshit bingo awards"
2008-02-21 02:13 < zvook> Starship Troopers is a superb film
2008-02-21 02:13 < zvook> but i couldn't give a fuck about heinlein
2008-02-21 02:15 < The359> Film?
2008-02-21 02:15 < The359> Fuck that noise
2008-02-21 02:15 < zvook> incisive. any more art forms you'd like to shine your light on?
2008-02-21 02:15 < The359> I meant the film version
2008-02-21 02:16 < zvook> oh right
2008-02-21 02:16 < OvrLrd-Q> yea i liked starship troopers
2008-02-21 02:16 < zvook> no the film is great. on a knife edge of parody the whole time
2008-02-21 02:17 < zvook> Johnny Rico an all-american Vanilla Ice from Buenos Aires
2008-02-21 02:17 < zvook> the Do You Want To Know More segments.
2008-02-21 02:17 < zvook> it was great.
2008-02-21 02:20 < Beltz> how do i cite properly
2008-02-21 02:20 < Beltz> {{cite|address?}}
2008-02-21 02:20 < Beltz> or paste the address inline? hehe
2008-02-21 02:20 < The359> are you citing a website?
2008-02-21 02:20 < TheLetterE> [[WP:CITE]]
2008-02-21 02:20 < zvook> have you seen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Cite ?
2008-02-21 02:20 < Beltz> I'll check it out, thanks
2008-02-21 02:20 < Beltz> whoa it's long
2008-02-21 02:21 < The359> Beltz, are you citing a website?
2008-02-21 02:21 < The359> or a book or something?
2008-02-21 02:21 < Beltz> a site
2008-02-21 02:21 < Beltz> The article of the day is on the bengali language
2008-02-21 02:21 < The359> try reading the [[Template:Citeweb]]
2008-02-21 02:21 < Beltz> And I noticed that almost all language articles (mandarin, bengali, urdu) given those I checked so far, don't cite their number of speakers, and contradict cited numbers from other articles
2008-02-21 02:21 < The359> it has a list of information you can fill out and how to properly arrange the template
2008-02-21 02:22 < Beltz> Is it OK to delete "likely accurate information" and to add "outdated, but cited" information?
2008-02-21 02:23 < The359> how do you define likely accurate?
2008-02-21 02:23 < Beltz> Because I think those "number of speakers" estimates are calculations by wikipedia members that take the cited numbers, and add in the population grownt
2008-02-21 02:23 < zvook> i think it's better, if likely accurate is just an assertion
2008-02-21 02:23 < zvook> is the "likely accurate" info sourced?
2008-02-21 02:24 < Beltz> No
2008-02-21 02:24 < nokmar> if it's wrong, don't put it in
2008-02-21 02:24 < nokmar> even if it's sourced and wrong, don't put it in
2008-02-21 02:24 < Beltz> nokmar: It is outdated, but cited
2008-02-21 02:24 < zvook> better to replace it with a source and date then
2008-02-21 02:24 < Beltz> But it was accurate
2008-02-21 02:24 < nokmar> it isn't accurate anymore
2008-02-21 02:24 < Ceiling_Cat> WASHINGTON � A Navy missile soaring 130 miles above the Pacific Ocean smashed a dying U.S. spy satellite late Wednesday night and appears to have destroyed a tank carrying 1,000 pounds of potentially lethal rocket fuel, bringing a dramatic end to a weeks-long controversy over the military's unusual decision to shoot down one of its own satellites.
2008-02-21 02:24 < Beltz> That sounds good zvook
2008-02-21 02:24 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_193 Shouldn't the "current spaceflight" template be removed?
2008-02-21 02:25 < Beltz> nokmar: But this is the last accurate info... but i guess with a date it'll be good
2008-02-21 02:25 < zvook> nice job, US military
2008-02-21 02:26 < zvook> that story sounds like a [[Bill Hicks]] bit
2008-02-21 02:26 < nokmar> well, say, "Of January 2007, blah blah"
2008-02-21 02:27 < nokmar> and then put in your source.
2008-02-21 02:27 < nokmar> it works.
2008-02-21 02:27 < zvook> is there an echo in here?
2008-02-21 02:28 < Beltz> where can i post a request for someone to add citations if i dont have the time to do all the research
2008-02-21 02:28 < Beltz> it's a task for like 100 articles with bad info
2008-02-21 02:28 < nokmar> go spam project page?
2008-02-21 02:29 < Beltz> ok
2008-02-21 02:31 < The359> what's the MoS for listing a dollar amount?
2008-02-21 02:31 < The359> for example, $15000 US
2008-02-21 02:32 < zvook> what other way would you put it? US in brackets, i suppose
2008-02-21 02:32 < The359> USD 15000?
2008-02-21 02:32 < OvrLrd-Q> [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Numismatics/Style]]
2008-02-21 02:33 < OvrLrd-Q> link to the currency MoS in there somewhere
2008-02-21 02:33 < zvook> [[wp:$]]
2008-02-21 02:33 < zvook> heh
2008-02-21 02:34 < _sj|> US$15000 the first time it shows up
2008-02-21 02:34 < The359> yeah, as sj put it
2008-02-21 02:34 < _sj|> drop the US after that, unless you're switching currencies that use a "$"
2008-02-21 02:35 < _sj|> 'If you believe the US was the first country to use the "$" as a currency symbol, press 1'
2008-02-21 02:35 < _sj|> 'If you believe no other currencies using that symbol matter any more, press 2'
2008-02-21 02:36 < zvook> lolz
2008-02-21 02:36 < zvook> what was it, spanish?
2008-02-21 02:36 < cimon> Ceiling_Cat: would you call that friendly fire or blue on blue?
2008-02-21 02:36 < _sj|> 'If you think that the main article for [[$]] should redirect to [[Dollar sign (US)]], press 3'
2008-02-21 02:37 < _sj|> If you pressed 1, 2, or 3, you can leave out "US" the first time it shows up, too. even the MoS says so.
2008-02-21 02:37 < cimon> zvook: I used to know a Bill Hicks... Are we talking about the same guy?
2008-02-21 02:37 < cimon> Aeronautics expert?
2008-02-21 02:37 < zvook> err no
2008-02-21 02:37 < cimon> big science and astronomy?
2008-02-21 02:37 < zvook> i made him a linkylink specifically to avoid aeronautic confusion
2008-02-21 02:38 * zvook is fibbing
2008-02-21 02:38 < zvook> he was a comedian
2008-02-21 02:39 < zvook> "Chomsky with dick jokes" according to his own characterization in our article.
2008-02-21 02:40 < cimon> hmm. my bill hicks was one of the first guys who talked about defending earth from meteorites in a sf convention panel...
2008-02-21 02:40 < cimon> funny coincidence that...
2008-02-21 02:41 < zvook> hicks had something about firing smartbananas into the mouths of hungry children, but i don't think he got more into parabola calculations and the like
2008-02-21 02:42 < OvrLrd-Q> heh
2008-02-21 02:42 < cimon> It may be I misremember his name, of course, old geezer that I am... should go dig up some old Florida Worldcon schedules...
2008-02-21 02:42 < publunch> So he only talked about it. I heard that Michael Jackson might have actually fired his smart banana.
2008-02-21 02:43 < zvook> i'm sure there's a joke about Bubbles in there somewhere
2008-02-21 02:43 < zvook> but dang it, i just can't find it.
2008-02-21 02:44 < Mike_H> cimon: are you coming to Florida? :DD
2008-02-21 02:45 < zvook> sounds more like he went
2008-02-21 02:45 < Mike_H> already? :(
2008-02-21 02:45 < zvook> and let's face it, no one goes twice ;)
2008-02-21 02:45 < zvook> just kidding
2008-02-21 02:45 < cimon> Mike_H: yup, I was there at the 50th worldcon.
2008-02-21 02:45 < cimon> Magicon.
2008-02-21 02:46 < cimon> 2001 or something like that.
2008-02-21 02:46 < _sj|> Arwen + GlaDOS ++
2008-02-21 02:46 < zvook> You don't hear much about bubbles the chimp anymore. did he die or something?
2008-02-21 02:47 < zvook> oh we have an article on him. featuring such section headers as "Immortalized"
2008-02-21 02:48 < cimon> Mike_H: somewhere in Orlando, there is a time capsule with a laminated picture of Robert A. Heinlein taken from his obituary in the Finnish newspaper of record, Helsingin Sanomat. That was donated by me.
2008-02-21 02:58 < cimon> http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Epistle_to_Philemon#Greetz
2008-02-21 03:00 < Mahlzahn> would someone care to add his to cents here => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Good_Olfactory#categorization_.282.29
2008-02-21 03:01 < Mahlzahn> not strictly necessary of course, but I'd welcome a comment from anyone who can substantiate what the real WP is like.
2008-02-21 03:14 < bridezilla> How is it possible that the article for the hokus pokus called "lucid dreaming" has no "criticism" section?
2008-02-21 03:14 < bridezilla> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming
2008-02-21 03:16 < The359> because no one has written one with valid sourcing yet?
2008-02-21 03:16 < bridezilla> Valid sourcing?
2008-02-21 03:16 < bridezilla> Isn't it enough to just say that people in general find this to be bullshit?
2008-02-21 03:16 < The359> No
2008-02-21 03:17 < bridezilla> If I knew how to lucid dream, and it worked, my luck would be done.
2008-02-21 03:17 < The359> we wouldn't be much of an Encyclopedia if we just went off of what you think people say
2008-02-21 03:18 * OvrLrd-Q doesn't find it to be bullshit
2008-02-21 03:20 < Luna-San> Therefore the section could say "People, aside from OvrLrd-Q, in general find this to be bullshit.{{fact}}"
2008-02-21 03:20 < zvook> i didn't think it was bullshit
2008-02-21 03:20 < bridezilla> Was?
2008-02-21 03:20 < zvook> well, you may convince me now that it is
2008-02-21 03:21 < The359> I think she did
2008-02-21 03:21 < The359> People in general clearly know what they're talking about
2008-02-21 03:21 < zvook> you are the exception then, in my experience
2008-02-21 03:21 < bridezilla> ?
2008-02-21 03:22 < zvook> linklater treated it seriously in a movie. he seems an intelligent guy.
2008-02-21 03:22 < The359> who?
2008-02-21 03:22 < zvook> [[richard linklater]]
2008-02-21 03:22 < bridezilla> Richard Linkeater.
2008-02-21 03:22 < bridezilla> Link now? Link later!
2008-02-21 03:23 < bridezilla> XD
2008-02-21 03:23 < bridezilla> I is funney.
2008-02-21 03:23 < The359> no
2008-02-21 03:23 < OvrLrd-Q> Good ol' A Scanner Darkly
2008-02-21 03:23 < OvrLrd-Q> trippy film, havent read the book, probably should
2008-02-21 03:24 < zvook> yeah i haven't read that either
2008-02-21 03:24 < zvook> "In a broad scope, Waking Life is about a young man in a persistent lucid dream-like state. The film follows its protagonist as he initially observes and later participates in philosophical discussions that weave together issues like appearance and reality, free will, our relationships with others, and the meaning of life. Along the way the film touches on other topics including existentialism, situationist politics, posthumanity, and
2008-02-21 03:24 < zvook> i know movies ain't real, kids, but i didn't really think he wuz makin' it up
2008-02-21 03:25 < bridezilla> Waking Life?
2008-02-21 03:25 < zvook> aye
2008-02-21 03:25 < bridezilla> Isn't that movie that crappy one that is made with "different" techniques?
2008-02-21 03:25 < bridezilla> But it all looks the same.
2008-02-21 03:25 < bridezilla> Somebody painted over real film.
2008-02-21 03:25 < zvook> well your sentence takes some parsing and holds an opposite view to my own, but yes
2008-02-21 03:25 < The359> it's crappy because it uses something different?
2008-02-21 03:25 < bridezilla> Slightly altering the style.
2008-02-21 03:26 < The359> Rotoscoping I believe it is
2008-02-21 03:26 < bridezilla> I expected the different artists to change styles wildly.
2008-02-21 03:26 < OvrLrd-Q> [[rotoscoping]]
2008-02-21 03:26 < bridezilla> But they all look almost exactly the same.
2008-02-21 03:26 < The359> Scanner Darkly used the same technique
2008-02-21 03:26 < NotASpy> that was a rather interesting film.
2008-02-21 03:26 < The359> what other movies have you seen that look like that, bridezilla?
2008-02-21 03:26 < bridezilla> None.
2008-02-21 03:26 < The359> then how is it...exactly the same?
2008-02-21 03:27 < bridezilla> ...
2008-02-21 03:27 < bridezilla> Each scene is made by a different artist.
2008-02-21 03:27 < OvrLrd-Q> Seen star wars? Those were rotoscoped
2008-02-21 03:27 < bridezilla> Yet they all look the same.
2008-02-21 03:27 * Mike_H NP: Hall & Oates - Out of Touch (1984)
2008-02-21 03:27 < The359> because there's a set style that the director wanted
2008-02-21 03:27 < The359> It's not like they gave the artists a frame of film and said "Hey, do whatever floats your boat"
2008-02-21 03:28 < The359> that'd look...retarded
2008-02-21 03:28 < OvrLrd-Q> it fit well with scanner darkly
2008-02-21 03:28 < The359> they kept a similar style throughout though, OvrLrd-Q?
2008-02-21 03:28 < bridezilla> I was expecting something cooler-looking. Looks like they just used some vector objects that they dragged around.
2008-02-21 03:28 < The359> each frame was unique, but they still transitioned in a way they should
2008-02-21 03:28 < bridezilla> And many of the backgrounds seem to be static.
2008-02-21 03:29 < OvrLrd-Q> The359: pretty much, same style through the whole thing.
2008-02-21 03:30 < OvrLrd-Q> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v441/n7096/images/441922a-i1.0.jpg
2008-02-21 03:30 < OvrLrd-Q> clip comparing the live action and then the end result
2008-02-21 03:34 < OvrLrd-Q> took like year and a half for post-prod
2008-02-21 03:36 < zvook> "Good articles Lucid dream has been listed as a Social sciences and society good article under the good article criteria."
2008-02-21 03:37 < zvook> clearly people have looked at it.
2008-02-21 03:41 < zvook> buhbye
2008-02-21 04:18 < cimon> As a sometime lucid dreamer, I claim our article is if anything, conservative in its assessments. Not something I would add to the article though, as that would be "original research".
2008-02-21 04:34 < Lady_Aleena> Hello...how long should a person have to wait for a peer review?
2008-02-21 04:35 < Miranda|away> Lady_Aleena: how long was yours?
2008-02-21 04:36 < Lady_Aleena> I requested it about 5 days ago and have seen nothing yet.
2008-02-21 04:36 < Miranda> what article
2008-02-21 04:37 < Lady_Aleena> I put it in the WikiProject Films peer review area for specificity, but it seems to be taking forever for a basic "Does it look better?" review. The review is for List of disaster films.
2008-02-21 04:38 < Miranda> Lady_Aleena: I am on wikibreak but I will give you these points
2008-02-21 04:38 < Miranda> 1. refs, refs. refs
2008-02-21 04:39 < Miranda> table formatting helps 2.)
2008-02-21 04:39 < Miranda> 3.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_list_criteria if you want to make it featured
2008-02-21 04:39 < Lady_Aleena> Um, refs? On a list?
2008-02-21 04:39 < Miranda> yep
2008-02-21 04:40 < Lady_Aleena> I don't get it, it is a list of films, why would it need refs. I can see articles needing refs, but a list?
2008-02-21 04:40 < Miranda> yeah
2008-02-21 04:41 < Miranda> because WP is mostly containing Original research
2008-02-21 04:41 < Miranda> and drama too
2008-02-21 04:43 < Lady_Aleena> I really don't care how editors get the info, I just want the info. If it were relevant to an article what the temperature was outside my home was at the current time, are you telling me that I can't go look at the thermometer on my window sill to add the information?
2008-02-21 04:45 < nabs> [citation needed]
2008-02-21 04:46 < Lady_Aleena> Could I cite my thermomter?
2008-02-21 04:46 < nokmar> nope
2008-02-21 04:46 < nokmar> point to a website
2008-02-21 04:46 < Lady_Aleena> Um, what if there isn't a website that has the current temperature outside of my home? Most websites are off by a few degrees for where I live.
2008-02-21 04:48 < nokmar> well, think about it this way
2008-02-21 04:48 < nokmar> let's say I am a vandal
2008-02-21 04:48 < nokmar> I own some chickens
2008-02-21 04:48 < nokmar> I say, "chickens can fly!" and cite my chickens
2008-02-21 04:48 < nokmar> it doesn't quite work out, does it?
2008-02-21 04:50 < Lady_Aleena> That is why I just create lists and let others write articles. I hate the headache of having to verify what I know. I know rubies are red, I just don't want to have to track down a source for that information.
2008-02-21 04:52 < nokmar> a question
2008-02-21 04:52 < nokmar> are sapphires blue?
2008-02-21 04:52 < Lady_Aleena> Some
2008-02-21 04:52 < nokmar> fine, you got it
2008-02-21 04:52 < Lady_Aleena> some are green, if I recall correctly.
2008-02-21 04:52 < Lady_Aleena> sapphires and rubies are part of the same family of gems.
2008-02-21 04:53 < nokmar> the key here is that if the information is likely to be corrected because it's obvious, it doesn't need a reference