freenode #wikipedia

2008-02-20 17:01 * kenlyric guesses... +R?
2008-02-20 17:02 < Mahlzahn> yah. Annoying prat here who dinged everyone in channel.
2008-02-20 17:02 * brown_cat makes sexy time with kenlyric
2008-02-20 17:02 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-20 17:03 < zvook> ugh is wikipedia down?
2008-02-20 17:03 < AzaTht> zvook: no, and yes
2008-02-20 17:03 < AzaTht> knams died
2008-02-20 17:04 < zvook> what does that mean in english?
2008-02-20 17:04 < AzaTht> knams is the european cluster
2008-02-20 17:04 < Mike_H> brown_cat: you made kenlyric leave
2008-02-20 17:04 < zvook> dang
2008-02-20 17:04 < moralist> is wikipedia down?
2008-02-20 17:04 < brown_cat> Mike_H: hmmm, do I have that effect?
2008-02-20 17:04 < AnMaster> seems to me
2008-02-20 17:04 < Mahlzahn> kenlyric: [20:35] =-= Mode #wikipedia +b *!*@ip72-200-85-82.tc.ph.cox.net by wimt
2008-02-20 17:04 < Mahlzahn> kenlyric: [20:35] =-= Mode #wikipedia +R by bumm13
2008-02-20 17:04 * brown_cat makes sexy time with Mike_H
2008-02-20 17:04 * brown_cat hopes this works
2008-02-20 17:05 < Mike_H> whatever.
2008-02-20 17:06 * Ceiling_Cat pokes White_Cat
2008-02-20 17:06 * brown_cat pokes White_Cat
2008-02-20 17:06 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - are you handy?
2008-02-20 17:06 * brown_cat pikes Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-20 17:07 < brown_cat> *o
2008-02-20 17:07 < Qst> Wikipedia is down in Europe an South America, just so you folks know
2008-02-20 17:08 < zvook> Perhaps change the topic to reflect this?
2008-02-20 17:08 < lucasbfr> Qst: Ok I was wondering :x
2008-02-20 17:08 < Ceiling_Cat> ok
2008-02-20 17:09 < The359> man, WP:GA seems rather backed up with nominations
2008-02-20 17:09 < AnMaster> Qst, hi, any idea when it will be fixed? or any idea what causes it?
2008-02-20 17:09 < Qst> AnMaster: Good day; well normally, serve lag or slow servers only last for a few minutes
2008-02-20 17:09 < Qst> It shouldn't be down for too long
2008-02-20 17:11 * Pilotguy points to #wikimedia-tech
2008-02-20 17:11 < borbus> Anyone else in the UK unable to reach wikipedia?
2008-02-20 17:11 < zvook> read the topic
2008-02-20 17:11 * Pilotguy points to the topic
2008-02-20 17:11 < neoecs> Is there a way to reach Wikipedia anyway? Change of DNS or something?
2008-02-20 17:11 < The359> zomg it's in the topic, dumbass!
2008-02-20 17:11 * The359 joking
2008-02-20 17:12 < grul> so what seems the problem officer? any eta of it being up again?
2008-02-20 17:12 < The359> is the secure Wikipedia working?
2008-02-20 17:12 * Ceiling_Cat watches borbus read the topic
2008-02-20 17:12 < NotASpy> neoecs: you might be able to reach WP through the secure gateway
2008-02-20 17:12 < grul> s/seems/seems to be/
2008-02-20 17:12 < NotASpy> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Main_Page
2008-02-20 17:12 < The359> maybe that should be included in the topic (if it works)
2008-02-20 17:12 < serp> NotASpy: nice ;>
2008-02-20 17:12 < borbus> Ceiling_Cat, yeah it says Up
2008-02-20 17:12 < borbus> Hence my question...
2008-02-20 17:12 < neoecs> NotASpy, awesome :o
2008-02-20 17:12 < The359> erm, no borbus
2008-02-20 17:12 < brown_cat> O_O
2008-02-20 17:13 < Ryanposs> is Wikipedia down?
2008-02-20 17:13 < The359> it says Status: Down in Europe an South America
2008-02-20 17:13 < borbus> Is it just me, my fucking ISP, or the whole coutnry? :P
2008-02-20 17:13 * Pilotguy sets Ryanposs' toes on fire
2008-02-20 17:13 < The359> whole continent, borbus
2008-02-20 17:13 < NotASpy> borbus: all of Europe and South America.
2008-02-20 17:13 < Ryanposs> :-D
2008-02-20 17:13 < harnir> borbus: doesn't work from Poland, so it's probably whole world :)
2008-02-20 17:13 < borbus> Oh..
2008-02-20 17:13 < NotASpy> but not AOL customers in the UK. :p
2008-02-20 17:13 < The359> someone typo'd in the topic
2008-02-20 17:13 < borbus> <-- idiot
2008-02-20 17:13 < borbus> I missed the topic change
2008-02-20 17:13 < borbus> lol
2008-02-20 17:13 < Ryanposs> Sorry, could resist - I expect everyones sick of answering it
2008-02-20 17:13 < zvook> notaspy: awesomeness
2008-02-20 17:13 < Pilotguy> !admin Is Wikipedia down?
2008-02-20 17:13 < The359> The system is down, yo
2008-02-20 17:14 * The359 stabs Pilotguy
2008-02-20 17:14 < Pilotguy> RLY?!?!?! :O
2008-02-20 17:14 * GDonato nukes Pilotguy
2008-02-20 17:14 < fkcl> Where can I find a list of extentions that is running on wikipedia, I have a local copy but some of the text that is displayed has if statements int.
2008-02-20 17:14 * McLoaf Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
2008-02-20 17:14 * brown_cat nukes GDonato
2008-02-20 17:14 < Grimfeast> great; Europe down... When is it up?
2008-02-20 17:15 < GDonato> fkcl: Special:Version
2008-02-20 17:15 < The359> when Europe gets with the fucking program
2008-02-20 17:15 < The359> damnit
2008-02-20 17:15 < GDonato> possibly
2008-02-20 17:15 < Grimfeast> Any yank out there that can get me something?
2008-02-20 17:15 < Ceiling_Cat> Grimfeast - Because Europe today was destroyed by a massive meteorite impact
2008-02-20 17:15 < The359> Has anyone confirmed if the Secure version of Wikipedia works in Europe?
2008-02-20 17:15 < Ceiling_Cat> therefore, no more wikipedia access
2008-02-20 17:15 < Grimfeast> Very funny
2008-02-20 17:15 < The359> what Grimfeast?
2008-02-20 17:15 < Grimfeast> The flag of kosovo
2008-02-20 17:15 < GDonato> The359: it works
2008-02-20 17:15 < Grimfeast> the SVG
2008-02-20 17:15 < The359> the file itself?
2008-02-20 17:15 < neoecs> The359, yes.
2008-02-20 17:15 < borbus> Are our squids down? Can we get on the US squids?
2008-02-20 17:15 < neoecs> Works for me.
2008-02-20 17:16 < Grimfeast> can send it?
2008-02-20 17:16 < NotASpy> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Main_Page
2008-02-20 17:16 < NotASpy> working in Europe.
2008-02-20 17:16 < zvook> mhm
2008-02-20 17:16 * Ceiling_Cat attempts to DCC send to Grimfeast
2008-02-20 17:16 * The359 wonders if Commons works in Europe
2008-02-20 17:16 < borbus> Secure works here
2008-02-20 17:16 < Samm> What are squids?
2008-02-20 17:16 < Grimfeast> dang
2008-02-20 17:16 < borbus> No Commons
2008-02-20 17:16 < Grimfeast> how do i accept
2008-02-20 17:16 < Grimfeast> :P
2008-02-20 17:16 < The359> Someone might want to put the secure link in the topic
2008-02-20 17:16 < grul> bla bla "is it down?" when is it up?
2008-02-20 17:16 < borbus> Samm, like http caches
2008-02-20 17:16 < borbus> They cache from the actual apaches
2008-02-20 17:17 < moralist> its up for me now
2008-02-20 17:17 < prpl> it's up now isn't it
2008-02-20 17:17 < rbs-tito> It's up
2008-02-20 17:17 < borbus> Commons up onw
2008-02-20 17:17 < Samm> Thanks Borbus
2008-02-20 17:17 < Samm> Up in the UK now
2008-02-20 17:17 < Leslie_S> wtf is with religion
2008-02-20 17:18 < borbus> I know
2008-02-20 17:18 < borbus> Downtime related to that?
2008-02-20 17:19 < borbus> Has jimbo wales stepped in with mohamed thing?
2008-02-20 17:19 < Seddon> why does the topic say down in europe?
2008-02-20 17:19 < borbus> Seddon, because it was
2008-02-20 17:19 < borbus> About a minute ago
2008-02-20 17:20 < Seddon> oh right, its not in the uk just so that you know
2008-02-20 17:20 < Leslie_S> wtf is with religion
2008-02-20 17:20 < The359> we heard you, and ignored you, the first time
2008-02-20 17:20 < AzaTht> Ceiling_Cat: update topic to "up"
2008-02-20 17:22 < AzaTht> or "up, but slow"
2008-02-20 17:22 < Ceiling_Cat> up will suffice
2008-02-20 17:22 < Leslie_S> Vasquez. In this California case, three of four adopted children were kept in cages, fed limited diets, and permitted only primitive sanitary facilities. The mother received a prison sentence of less than a year and her parental rights were terminated in 2007. There was no therapist in this case, but the mother reported following suggestions of a book given her by her caseworker.
2008-02-20 17:23 < Leslie_S> what the hell!
2008-02-20 17:30 < Sfan00_> :O
2008-02-20 17:31 < Sfan00_> Did they ask which book and caseworker?
2008-02-20 17:36 < Leslie_S> Sfan00_ that article didnt mention it
2008-02-20 17:43 < AppleBoy> need a person on a mac! :(
2008-02-20 17:48 * Mike_H pets AppleBoy
2008-02-20 17:48 < Mike_H> I'm not on a mac
2008-02-20 17:48 < Mike_H> but I'll pet you
2008-02-20 17:48 < AppleBoy> damn you!
2008-02-20 17:48 * Mike_H pets AppleBoy
2008-02-20 17:48 * AppleBoy smacks Mike
2008-02-20 17:48 < Mike_H> :<
2008-02-20 17:48 < AppleBoy> get a mac!
2008-02-20 17:48 < mavhc> don't expect anyone with a mac to be less condesending
2008-02-20 17:48 < AppleBoy> lol
2008-02-20 17:48 < AppleBoy> I have roughly an hour to finish this :(
2008-02-20 17:48 * Mike_H pets mavhc
2008-02-20 17:49 * mavhc likes it
2008-02-20 17:49 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-02-20 17:50 < mavhc> so I went to the Hot spring Spa at Bath, and noticed the swimming pool didn't have one of those signs saying "no bombing"
2008-02-20 17:50 < Mike_H> haha
2008-02-20 17:50 < privatemusings> what about heavy petting?
2008-02-20 17:50 * privatemusings heavily pets Mike
2008-02-20 17:51 * Mike_H pets privatemusings lightly
2008-02-20 17:51 < Mike_H> oh
2008-02-20 17:51 < Mike_H> we're turning it up, are we?
2008-02-20 17:51 < mavhc> it was the day before valentines day, people were getting close to that too
2008-02-20 17:51 * Mike_H pets privatemusings heavily
2008-02-20 17:51 * privatemusings gets a bit hot and bothered
2008-02-20 17:51 < Leslie_S> heh, [[Working Families for Wal-Mart]] ...walmart astroturfs a little much?
2008-02-20 18:01 < quanticle> Somehow, I don't see Walmart as astroturfing more than other companies. Perhaps their astroturf is... more visible.
2008-02-20 18:01 < Demi> walmart is a high-profile target of derision on the internet, i would imagine they probably have a more well-developed counter-offensive
2008-02-20 18:02 < Demi> though there are usually enough contrarian loudmouths on any issue that for the most part i don't know why'd you'd have to create them
2008-02-20 18:02 < abcd> Hello, how can I add an image to an article? (for example this one: http://www.triplej.net.au/img/layout/gnav_logo.gif) ?
2008-02-20 18:07 < Pilotguy> abcd- Upload it if it's in the public domain
2008-02-20 18:07 < Pilotguy> First off
2008-02-20 18:07 < Pilotguy> Then install it into the article
2008-02-20 18:08 < Pilotguy> abcd- It doesn't look like it's in the public domain and thus can't be uploaded
2008-02-20 18:09 < abcd> Pilotguy: It's domain of public broadcasting company (ABC in Australia)
2008-02-20 18:10 < Pilotguy> hmm.
2008-02-20 18:10 * Pilotguy notices the copyright symbol
2008-02-20 18:11 < zvook> what is the article?
2008-02-20 18:11 < The359> if it's a logo, it's automatically a copyright I believe
2008-02-20 18:11 < The359> it can be uploaded under fair use if possible
2008-02-20 18:12 < privatemusings> you could chose to write a 'fair use' rationale...
2008-02-20 18:12 < privatemusings> take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Coca-Cola_logo.svg
2008-02-20 18:12 < privatemusings> for example
2008-02-20 18:12 < Leslie_S> abcd thats ...not what public domain means.
2008-02-20 18:12 < privatemusings> oops - rubbish example...!
2008-02-20 18:12 < Pilotguy> eww, fair use
2008-02-20 18:13 < Pilotguy> abcd- Yeah keep the image in mind not the website
2008-02-20 18:13 < Pilotguy> distinguishment
2008-02-20 18:13 < privatemusings> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BHP_Billiton.png
2008-02-20 18:13 < privatemusings> there's one that makes sense......
2008-02-20 18:14 < privatemusings> to be honest, you can use a (very) similar rationale for triple J
2008-02-20 18:14 < privatemusings> oops - it's already in the article!
2008-02-20 18:14 < privatemusings> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Triple_J_banner.jpg
2008-02-20 18:15 < privatemusings> thanks for coming and asking, abcd - hope it wasn't too confusing! - that image is already in the article here; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_J#1990s:_Regional_expansion
2008-02-20 18:18 < Leslie_S> Demi, quanticle ...what other companies make obviously astroturfed sites like ....working families for walmart...?
2008-02-20 18:18 < Leslie_S> who in the world would fall for that?
2008-02-20 18:19 < abcd> privatemusings: thank you very much, i'm writing a Triple J article for polish version of wikipedia, I did not know that logo of triple j was already uploaded.
2008-02-20 18:19 < privatemusings> no worries, abcd - good luck with the article!
2008-02-20 18:19 < Demi> about a decade ago Excite@Home put lots of their employees on a bus to San Francisco to attend a rally against regulating cable internet access (or deregulating it, or something)
2008-02-20 18:20 < Leslie_S> Demi LOL
2008-02-20 18:26 < abcd> i have to go, bye
2008-02-20 18:31 < Voyaging> okay, i have a question
2008-02-20 18:31 < Voyaging> wait.. nevermind :P
2008-02-20 18:38 * Mahlzahn wonders whether he should wonder if he missed anything
2008-02-20 18:39 < Mahlzahn> and why is Ceiling_Cat watching me read the channel topic? I feel snooped upon!
2008-02-20 18:44 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Microsoft does it. Only, they don't make "Working Families for Microsoft", they do "Get The Facts: <paid study> has found Windows to be better than Linux"
2008-02-20 18:45 < clarknova> asd
2008-02-20 18:45 < Demi> Get the Facts. Fact 1: It's harder to send faxes from Linux than Windows.
2008-02-20 18:45 < quanticle> Get the Facts: Connecting to dial-up internet is more difficult under Linux
2008-02-20 18:46 < Demi> Get the Facts: 3270 emulators for Linux are poorer in features than top-of-the-line 3270 terminal emulators for Windows.
2008-02-20 18:47 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-02-20 18:47 < geniice> get the facts. wireless is a pain on linux
2008-02-20 18:48 < Demi> Get the Facts: Linux has poor support for Winmodems.
2008-02-20 18:48 < Leslie_S> speaking of, i had some linux users the other day go off on me for using windows
2008-02-20 18:48 < Arwen> While you are dying I'll be still alive
2008-02-20 18:48 < Arwen> And when you're dead I'll be still alive
2008-02-20 18:48 < Leslie_S> it's so horrible that i like a few things that windows does better, isn't it? (i love linux....)
2008-02-20 18:49 < Arwen> Windows > *
2008-02-20 18:49 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-02-20 18:49 < geniice> Arwen> Fug that I'm goona live forever I'm gonna learn how to fly
2008-02-20 18:49 < Leslie_S> windows kinda sucks, but when you dont pay for it, its ok.
2008-02-20 18:50 < Leslie_S> windows runs microsoft word a lot better than linux. windows runs on finicky laptop hardware better than linux.
2008-02-20 18:51 < Leslie_S> and for whatever reason, my formatting gets screwed up if i print from a rich text format file made with abiword on word 2003. i have to print at school a lot, so.....
2008-02-20 18:52 < Demi> we used to have a lot of problems with RTF files; though we had OO.o, not abiword. we had much better results saving the OO.o files in Word format (RTF had to be verboten).
2008-02-20 18:53 < Leslie_S> word 2003 works damn good, to be honest.
2008-02-20 18:53 < Rinn> I prefer notepad2.
2008-02-20 18:54 < mavhc> until you try to open a template and it says it has no memory left, even though it's lying
2008-02-20 18:54 < Cyrius> "France's favourite encyclopaedia falls victim to Wikipedia"
2008-02-20 18:55 < Demi> surrenders?
2008-02-20 18:55 < clarknova> ahahahaha
2008-02-20 18:55 < Cyrius> "The 2008 edition of Quid, France's favourite encyclopaedia, has been cancelled by its publisher for lack of interest."
2008-02-20 18:55 < shimgray> Cyrius: It's not really an encyclopedia; it's a (admittedly voluminous) one-volume desk reference
2008-02-20 18:55 < shimgray> which is the sort of thing that's been very effectively killed off by Google, much less Wikipedia
2008-02-20 18:56 < Cyrius> "I am sure that people will go back to more structured kinds of encyclopaedias."
2008-02-20 18:56 < White_Cat> shimgray
2008-02-20 18:56 < White_Cat> no
2008-02-20 18:56 < shimgray> (you know, the sort of book you'd have gone to when you wanted to quickly find out how big Belgium was)
2008-02-20 18:56 < White_Cat> it makes excelent table weight
2008-02-20 18:56 < shimgray> whereas nowadays...
2008-02-20 18:56 < White_Cat> shimgray Belgium? Is that a new species of pokemon?
2008-02-20 18:57 < Rinn> Cyrius: France surrenders again!
2008-02-20 18:57 < Demi> we call them 'almanacs'
2008-02-20 18:57 < White_Cat> shimgray
2008-02-20 18:58 < White_Cat> you particularly busy?
2008-02-20 18:59 < shimgray> Sort of. I am half-way through I, Claudius,
2008-02-20 19:00 < shimgray> (which is surprisingly fun)
2008-02-20 19:00 < White_Cat> shimgray okay
2008-02-20 19:00 < White_Cat> I pm
2008-02-20 19:01 < zvook> why do you always tell people you're about to pm them, is that an etiquette thing?
2008-02-20 19:02 < White_Cat> zvook two issues
2008-02-20 19:02 < White_Cat> one yes it is etiquette
2008-02-20 19:02 < White_Cat> two they may not recieve pms
2008-02-20 19:02 < White_Cat> if they arent registered or if I am not identified
2008-02-20 19:02 < White_Cat> or if there is some other problem
2008-02-20 19:02 < zvook> i see.
2008-02-20 19:02 < White_Cat> to make sure they are aware of the action
2008-02-20 19:03 < White_Cat> I hardly notice pms for example
2008-02-20 19:03 < White_Cat> being prompted in channel takes my attention
2008-02-20 19:04 < mavhc> telling 250 people you're about to pm 1 person is retarded
2008-02-20 19:04 < Demi> i don't grok that
2008-02-20 19:04 < Demi> i think that comes from something other than irc
2008-02-20 19:04 < quanticle> mavhc: Not really. I think an addressed statement to the person is fine.
2008-02-20 19:05 < quanticle> mavhc: Again, what if they can't receive PMs?
2008-02-20 19:05 < White_Cat> mavhc not all of my comments are directed at you
2008-02-20 19:05 < White_Cat> I very rarely talk to others :)
2008-02-20 19:05 < mavhc> why can't they receive them?
2008-02-20 19:05 < White_Cat> mavhc many reasons
2008-02-20 19:05 < White_Cat> freenode doesnt allow pms from non-registered users
2008-02-20 19:06 < mavhc> stupid complicated ircds
2008-02-20 19:06 < quanticle> mavhc: Some IRC clients reject them by default. Also, if they're an unregistered user, they're blocked from sending and receiving PMs.
2008-02-20 19:06 < Demi> yeah, but oh well
2008-02-20 19:06 < mavhc> on efnet I get about 1 spam msg a year
2008-02-20 19:07 < Demi> if someone has a client configuration or a mode that prevents them from getting your /msg, guess what? they don't want it
2008-02-20 19:07 < White_Cat> Demi they often dont know about it
2008-02-20 19:07 < Rinn> Or they don't know how to configure it not to.
2008-02-20 19:07 < White_Cat> exactly
2008-02-20 19:07 < mavhc> so send it first, then ask later
2008-02-20 19:07 * Demi shrugs
2008-02-20 19:07 < White_Cat> mavhc you do that
2008-02-20 19:07 < White_Cat> I'll stick to my method
2008-02-20 19:08 < Demi> it seems chat-room-like
2008-02-20 19:08 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - *poke*
2008-02-20 19:08 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Raul654&diff=192921294&oldid=192911867
2008-02-20 19:08 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Rinn
2008-02-20 19:08 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat we all live in a poké-word
2008-02-20 19:08 < mavhc> good news everyone, I'm about to msg bob!
2008-02-20 19:08 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat saw?
2008-02-20 19:08 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I'll let natives review and reise it
2008-02-20 19:09 < Tanoshii> hi i have a question
2008-02-20 19:09 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - does turkish have an equilvent contact page?
2008-02-20 19:09 < The359> OMG HE SAID MESSAGE BOMB
2008-02-20 19:09 < The359> RUN
2008-02-20 19:09 < White_Cat> but its 2:10 AM in Turkey so they are fast asleap
2008-02-20 19:09 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I am unsure
2008-02-20 19:09 < Ceiling_Cat> I see
2008-02-20 19:09 < White_Cat> likely not
2008-02-20 19:09 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Tanoshii
2008-02-20 19:09 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - hrm, any chance of getting one?
2008-02-20 19:09 < Tanoshii> Ceiling_Cat:ah thanks
2008-02-20 19:09 < White_Cat> and if it does I am the last person to know, so I'll figure it out tomorow
2008-02-20 19:09 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat sure
2008-02-20 19:09 < Ceiling_Cat> ok
2008-02-20 19:09 < White_Cat> if it doesnt exist that is
2008-02-20 19:10 < Tanoshii> on the talk page for the picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_talk:Rush_Limbaugh_2004_cropped.jpg All it is is a vile comment, do we leave it or remove it?
2008-02-20 19:10 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-20 19:10 < White_Cat> I want to consult you on something
2008-02-20 19:10 < Ceiling_Cat> consult away
2008-02-20 19:11 < White_Cat> Turkish president just ratified a law allowing foreign foundations and organizations to collect donations in Turkey
2008-02-20 19:11 < White_Cat> Sending donations to wikipedia from Turkey is expensive due to the wireing costs
2008-02-20 19:11 < White_Cat> so I was wondering if a local account owned by the foundation could be used
2008-02-20 19:11 < Cyrius> Tanoshii: nuked.
2008-02-20 19:11 < Tanoshii> So it does that need reversion?
2008-02-20 19:11 < Tanoshii> Ok got my awnser
2008-02-20 19:12 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I however cant talk to anyone who could give me the right answer so I ams tuck with you :P
2008-02-20 19:15 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat so what to do?
2008-02-20 19:15 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - that is what we have local chapters of wmf for
2008-02-20 19:15 < Ceiling_Cat> is there a turkish wmf chapter?
2008-02-20 19:16 < Ceiling_Cat> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters
2008-02-20 19:16 < Ceiling_Cat> No, there is not
2008-02-20 19:18 < Arwen> Even though you broke my heart and killed me
2008-02-20 19:18 < Arwen> And torn into pieces
2008-02-20 19:18 < Arwen> And threw every piece into a fire
2008-02-20 19:18 < Arwen> emo much?
2008-02-20 19:18 < The359> not emo enough
2008-02-20 19:18 < Arwen> As they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you!
2008-02-20 19:18 < quanticle> Arwen: Huh?
2008-02-20 19:18 < Arwen> how about now?
2008-02-20 19:20 < jwilliamosh> Is there a wikipidia moderator here?
2008-02-20 19:20 < Cyrius> "moderator"?
2008-02-20 19:20 < The359> you mean an administrator?
2008-02-20 19:20 < Aqwis> administrator
2008-02-20 19:20 < jwilliamosh> Sure..
2008-02-20 19:20 < Aqwis> sys-op
2008-02-20 19:21 < Aqwis> several.
2008-02-20 19:21 < Cyrius> sysops are something else =)
2008-02-20 19:21 < jwilliamosh> Anyone in charge?
2008-02-20 19:21 < Cyrius> there's nobody in charge
2008-02-20 19:21 < The359> why?
2008-02-20 19:21 < Ceiling_Cat> jwilliamosh - If you are talking about this channel, then I'm effectively in charge. If you are talking about Wikiepdia, there are a lot of administrators around here
2008-02-20 19:21 < Cyrius> if you tell us what you actually want, we can help you or tell you who you need
2008-02-20 19:21 < Aqwis> Cyrius, people have a habit of calling administrators sysops
2008-02-20 19:21 < Ceiling_Cat> any one of which can help you
2008-02-20 19:21 < quanticle> jwilliamosh: This is wikipedia. Having people in charge defeats the purpose.
2008-02-20 19:22 < jwilliamosh> I have an issue someone that continues to remove an edit that I am posting. They are now getting a bit out of hand in email.
2008-02-20 19:22 < jwilliamosh> Yes I would agree however someone needs to have some control over things.
2008-02-20 19:22 < The359> email?
2008-02-20 19:22 * Cyrius goes and gets his tooth-pulling pliers
2008-02-20 19:22 < The359> they're sending you emails?
2008-02-20 19:22 < Cyrius> what edit, what article, what's your username, what's theirs?
2008-02-20 19:23 < jwilliamosh> They wrote to me on my TALK page stating that my update appeared to be malicious. I informed them that it was not. They are now emailing me directly. I explained my update and I believe it is a kid?? they continue to moderate my updates.
2008-02-20 19:23 < Ceiling_Cat> User:Jwilliamsoh
2008-02-20 19:23 < jwilliamosh> My user name is: jwilliamsoh
2008-02-20 19:23 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Battlefield: Bad Company]]
2008-02-20 19:23 < jwilliamosh> His is.... (one second)
2008-02-20 19:23 < Ceiling_Cat> Looks like user Compwhizii
2008-02-20 19:23 < quanticle> Compwhiz?
2008-02-20 19:23 < quanticle> Really?
2008-02-20 19:24 < Cyrius> there is nothing on that user talk page
2008-02-20 19:24 < compwhizii> heyyy
2008-02-20 19:24 < Ceiling_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battlefield:_Bad_Company&diff=192910178&oldid=192909677
2008-02-20 19:24 < compwhizii> someones talking about me :)
2008-02-20 19:24 < jwilliamosh> Compwhizii
2008-02-20 19:24 < compwhizii> oh
2008-02-20 19:24 < Cyrius> compwhizii: yep
2008-02-20 19:24 < Ceiling_Cat> Hello compwhizii - apparently you have been reverting jwilliamosh over a date on a video game
2008-02-20 19:25 < jwilliamosh> Is he a problem?
2008-02-20 19:25 < compwhizii> it was unsoucred
2008-02-20 19:25 * Ceiling_Cat nods
2008-02-20 19:25 < Ceiling_Cat> jwilliamosh - what is your source for that date?
2008-02-20 19:25 < caboose> Mondo is the shit.
2008-02-20 19:25 < Aqwis> "Source: Phone Call with EA Customer Retention" apparently
2008-02-20 19:25 < jwilliamosh> Electronic Arts. Customer Retention Department
2008-02-20 19:25 * Mike_H pets people not involved in drama
2008-02-20 19:25 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battlefield%3A_Bad_Company&diff=192909677&oldid=192907763
2008-02-20 19:25 * quanticle huggles Mike_H
2008-02-20 19:25 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-02-20 19:25 < compwhizii> what about me? :(
2008-02-20 19:25 * quanticle sets out the popcorn for anyone else interested in the drama
2008-02-20 19:25 < The359> I'm not sure how we can source a phone call...
2008-02-20 19:26 < Ceiling_Cat> jwilliamosh - we require facts in our articles to be publisehd in reliable sources
2008-02-20 19:26 < Seddon> jwiliamosh: id say thats OR in my opinion
2008-02-20 19:26 < jwilliamosh> lol
2008-02-20 19:26 < compwhizii> i asked
2008-02-20 19:26 < compwhizii> you can't
2008-02-20 19:26 < jwilliamosh> I would agree.
2008-02-20 19:26 < The359> I think your source needs to be published, jwilliamosh
2008-02-20 19:26 < The359> Not just from a conversation
2008-02-20 19:26 < jwilliamosh> I don't understand the problem with the update. The source is valid and accurate.
2008-02-20 19:26 < The359> Says you
2008-02-20 19:26 < The359> We can't confirm that
2008-02-20 19:26 < Cyrius> the EA press release from a couple of weeks ago supports the "fiscal 2009"
2008-02-20 19:26 < Ceiling_Cat> jwilliamosh - a phone call to EA does not qualify as a published reliable source
2008-02-20 19:26 < quanticle> The359: Wouldn't phone calls count as primary sources, and hence would be original research?
2008-02-20 19:26 < jwilliamosh> Want a phone number?
2008-02-20 19:26 * compwhizii can't belives this is happening
2008-02-20 19:26 * Mike_H can
2008-02-20 19:26 * The359 wonders who both of them are here at the same time
2008-02-20 19:27 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat exactly
2008-02-20 19:27 < White_Cat> no chapter
2008-02-20 19:27 < White_Cat> so what then?
2008-02-20 19:27 < jwilliamosh> I am new to wikipedia however it seems as if I should be able to update information on something like this.
2008-02-20 19:27 < White_Cat> all there needs to be is an account
2008-02-20 19:27 < The359> compwhizii is correct to revert your edits as your source is suspect, jwilliamosh
2008-02-20 19:27 < compwhizii> soucres are required
2008-02-20 19:27 < The359> however, him emailing you also is a bit suspect
2008-02-20 19:27 < Ceiling_Cat> jwilliamosh - and what is to stop someone from just making stuff up and saying they got it in a private phone call?
2008-02-20 19:27 < compwhizii> I told you this
2008-02-20 19:27 < compwhizii> via e-mail
2008-02-20 19:27 < quanticle> The359: Well, compwhizii is a regular on #wikipedia-en. I simply pinged him when the topic came up.
2008-02-20 19:28 < Cyrius> the EA press release is a published source, reliable for the company's projection
2008-02-20 19:28 < compwhizii> would anyone like the e-mails?
2008-02-20 19:28 < Ceiling_Cat> or a private email, or a private discussion
2008-02-20 19:28 < The359> ah
2008-02-20 19:28 < compwhizii> email
2008-02-20 19:28 < Mike_H> quanticle: oh girl you started shit
2008-02-20 19:28 < compwhizii> anyone want?
2008-02-20 19:28 * Mike_H steals his popcorn
2008-02-20 19:28 < The359> how did you get his email, compwhizii?
2008-02-20 19:28 < Seddon> Cyrius, cdo you know where we can find the source?
2008-02-20 19:28 < compwhizii> he emailed me
2008-02-20 19:28 < Ceiling_Cat> can everyone in the peanut gallery please relax, I am waiting for a response to my question from jwilliamosh
2008-02-20 19:28 < Seddon> do*
2008-02-20 19:28 < Cyrius> Seddon: it's on the talk page =)
2008-02-20 19:28 < The359> so he emailed you first?
2008-02-20 19:28 < quanticle> Mike_H: The popcorn was set out for everyone, you n00b.
2008-02-20 19:28 * quanticle steals back
2008-02-20 19:28 < Seddon> ahhh kk :) ill go take a look
2008-02-20 19:28 < compwhizii> yes
2008-02-20 19:29 < The359> ok then
2008-02-20 19:29 * quanticle grabs some popcorn and munches
2008-02-20 19:29 < jwilliamosh> When I replied to his TALK message I supplied my email and my phone number, thinking that this is someone that works for Wiki and may want to discuss my info.
2008-02-20 19:29 < Aqwis> compwhizii, you probably shouldn't publish private emails
2008-02-20 19:29 < The359> He doesn't appear to have left anything on your talk page, jwilliamosh
2008-02-20 19:29 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat, one more thing.
2008-02-20 19:29 < compwhizii> mine?
2008-02-20 19:29 < The359> Unless someone deleted it
2008-02-20 19:29 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - yes?
2008-02-20 19:29 < jwilliamosh> I was not a member when I first made the change, I created an account after he first changed the info back, thinking that this was the problem.
2008-02-20 19:29 < jwilliamosh> What a mess.....
2008-02-20 19:30 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat check pm
2008-02-20 19:30 < The359> So you're User:76.190.255.187 ?
2008-02-20 19:30 < Ceiling_Cat> jwilliamosh - the people who work for the Wikimedia Foundation are few and far between, and generally not concerned with trivialities like the day a video game is released. (They are more concerend about making sure that we don't get sued by someone because of bad information in their biography)
2008-02-20 19:30 < jwilliamosh> I think that is my IP....
2008-02-20 19:30 < compwhizii> check,
2008-02-20 19:30 < compwhizii> google whats my ip
2008-02-20 19:30 < jwilliamosh> Understood. I can appreciate that
2008-02-20 19:31 < The359> ok
2008-02-20 19:31 < jwilliamosh> One moment
2008-02-20 19:31 < Ceiling_Cat> However, for information like this, we need information to have been published in a reliable -- verifiable --- source, and a phone call is not that
2008-02-20 19:31 < compwhizii> ok
2008-02-20 19:31 < The359> from the look of it compwhizii left warning templates about your edits, jwilliamosh
2008-02-20 19:31 < The359> Which were understandable since you added something without a source, AND ignored a warning message in the template
2008-02-20 19:31 < jwilliamosh> 76.190.255.187
2008-02-20 19:31 < compwhizii> yeppers
2008-02-20 19:32 < jwilliamosh> So are you saying that my update is not valid?
2008-02-20 19:32 < compwhizii> its not verifyable
2008-02-20 19:32 < The359> It's not reliably sourced
2008-02-20 19:32 < The359> So compwhizii is correct to remove it
2008-02-20 19:32 < compwhizii> that too^^
2008-02-20 19:32 < quanticle> jwilliamosh: That's exactly what we're saying.
2008-02-20 19:32 < The359> We only allow things that can be validated
2008-02-20 19:32 < The359> and we cannot validate a phone call
2008-02-20 19:32 < Ceiling_Cat> jwilliamosh - as I asked you earlier, what is to stop someone from making up stuff and saying they got it in a private phone call?
2008-02-20 19:33 < The359> it would appear compwhizii tried to explain this to you
2008-02-20 19:33 < compwhizii> true^^
2008-02-20 19:33 < quanticle> jwilliamosh: If you have something from a phone call, you should be posting to Wikinews, or something like that, not Wikipedia
2008-02-20 19:33 < The359> So he's done nothing wrong
2008-02-20 19:33 < Ceiling_Cat> the sources we use must be verifiable, and a phone call cannot be verified
2008-02-20 19:33 < Tanoshii> Even if a Telephone call audio were available, it may be Actionable by the parties involved, ne?
2008-02-20 19:33 < The359> it'd be original research
2008-02-20 19:33 < compwhizii> correct, it could be staged
2008-02-20 19:33 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: Phone calls can also be seen as original research, can't they?
2008-02-20 19:33 < Cyrius> quanticle: yes.
2008-02-20 19:33 < Ceiling_Cat> quanticle - I suppose so
2008-02-20 19:34 < Tanoshii> Ah I see, thanks for enlightening me
2008-02-20 19:34 < Ceiling_Cat> jwilliamosh - does that answer your question?
2008-02-20 19:34 < jwilliamosh> It can be verified. (650) 801-1500
2008-02-20 19:34 < The359> That's still not published, jwilliamosh
2008-02-20 19:34 < compwhizii> whoah....no phone numbers...correct?
2008-02-20 19:34 < The359> And we're not going to call people to verify sources
2008-02-20 19:35 < jwilliamosh> I understand that people do not sit around calling for verification.
2008-02-20 19:35 < Tanoshii> Never put a phone number on wiki unless it is 867-3509
2008-02-20 19:35 < jwilliamosh> At the same time.... Forget it. Waste of time.
2008-02-20 19:35 < compwhizii> Sorry, its juts policy
2008-02-20 19:35 < The359> Do you understand that we're telling you that a phone call is not a source
2008-02-20 19:35 < The359> Regardless of whether we call them
2008-02-20 19:35 < jwilliamosh> I understand what you are saying.
2008-02-20 19:35 < compwhizii> Tanoshii: whats that?
2008-02-20 19:35 < Tanoshii> It's a song
2008-02-20 19:35 < Demi> have a journalist call them and publish it in a news source
2008-02-20 19:36 < compwhizii> that would work
2008-02-20 19:36 < jwilliamosh> It must be published. It has to be written somewhere else before written here??
2008-02-20 19:36 < jwilliamosh> Strange
2008-02-20 19:36 < compwhizii> wait..
2008-02-20 19:36 < Cyrius> jwilliamosh: wikipedia is not a primary source
2008-02-20 19:36 < Demi> jwilliamosh - not strange at all
2008-02-20 19:36 < The359> Basically
2008-02-20 19:36 < compwhizii> it must NOT be self published
2008-02-20 19:36 < Demi> (no encyclopedia is)
2008-02-20 19:36 < jwilliamosh> I understand.
2008-02-20 19:36 < Seddon> wikipedia is a tertiary source
2008-02-20 19:36 < Cyrius> long established rule
2008-02-20 19:36 < compwhizii> see [[WP:SPS]]
2008-02-20 19:36 < Tanoshii> compwhizii: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/867-5309
2008-02-20 19:36 < quanticle> Well, if you can find another source for the info, then you can add the info and use the other source...
2008-02-20 19:36 < compwhizii> hehe gotcha
2008-02-20 19:36 < jwilliamosh> While I know my information is correct I can see how this rule would also keep the information here valid
2008-02-20 19:37 < The359> if it were correct
2008-02-20 19:37 < The359> Someone would have it published somewhere
2008-02-20 19:37 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat I thought faoundation people only played video games!
2008-02-20 19:37 < Cyrius> jwilliamosh: why does it contradict the EA press release?
2008-02-20 19:37 < jwilliamosh> No that is not the case all the time. The information is not intended to be released.
2008-02-20 19:37 < compwhizii> Cyrius: Good question!
2008-02-20 19:37 < The359> Then why would they give it to you
2008-02-20 19:37 < jwilliamosh> Well if you knew much about EA you would not ask that :)
2008-02-20 19:37 < Tanoshii> compwhizii: even the musicians got in trouble when they used it at the time. anywho
2008-02-20 19:37 < White_Cat> jwilliamosh
2008-02-20 19:38 < White_Cat> policy aside
2008-02-20 19:38 < White_Cat> whats the hurry?
2008-02-20 19:38 < jwilliamosh> Because.... Well this is a little sticky. I would in a related industry.
2008-02-20 19:38 < compwhizii> Tanoshii: okay :)
2008-02-20 19:38 < White_Cat> once the game is released we will know about it
2008-02-20 19:38 < jwilliamosh> No real hurry.
2008-02-20 19:38 < The359> what?
2008-02-20 19:38 < quanticle> What is the game, anyway?
2008-02-20 19:38 < jwilliamosh> White_cat, this is true.
2008-02-20 19:38 < compwhizii> read the article ...;)
2008-02-20 19:38 < White_Cat> so shelf it :)
2008-02-20 19:38 < jwilliamosh> Battlefield Bad Company
2008-02-20 19:38 < compwhizii> so we good here?
2008-02-20 19:39 < Cyrius> how's about we leave the "official" release date there
2008-02-20 19:39 < compwhizii> jwilliamosh: are we good?
2008-02-20 19:39 < Cyrius> and if you turn out to be right
2008-02-20 19:39 < Tanoshii> Can you cite Game stores POS systems (for release dates of games) ? I think not because it cannot be directly verified online.
2008-02-20 19:39 < Cyrius> you can come back and tell us all "I told you so"
2008-02-20 19:39 < jwilliamosh> It is a matter of principal at this point, I really don't care about the date aside from my own personal gain. I just did not like the fact that it was removed. I can however see the point in it.
2008-02-20 19:39 < compwhizii> a cookie will be given to you!
2008-02-20 19:39 < jwilliamosh> lol
2008-02-20 19:39 < jwilliamosh> we are good.
2008-02-20 19:39 < quanticle> Hmm, in that article, why is the "Laser designator" not part of the "Weapons" section?
2008-02-20 19:39 < compwhizii> Remember, I explained it ;)
2008-02-20 19:40 < compwhizii> ok cool
2008-02-20 19:40 < compwhizii> thanks everyone
2008-02-20 19:40 < compwhizii> for your coroperation
2008-02-20 19:40 < jwilliamosh> Cyrius, again it was more a point that I thought I was being messed with, otherwise I am honestly too busy to give two.... cookies ;)....
2008-02-20 19:41 < jwilliamosh> Not trying to be a jerk or anything.... just did not like the way it was handled at the start. Did not really see the whole picture.
2008-02-20 19:41 < jwilliamosh> As far as the source.. Well I can not give a name or anything like that. For that reason I guess it just sits where it is.
2008-02-20 19:42 < jwilliamosh> Anyone looking for the game however, on the 360; check out the demo in about 10 days :)
2008-02-20 19:42 < jwilliamosh> Have a good evening everyone.
2008-02-20 19:43 < compwhizii> bye bye
2008-02-20 19:45 < Cyrius> so, on a completely different subject, it seems that Wikimania in Egypt + Muhammad images = mailing list traffic
2008-02-20 19:45 * Arwen is listening to Portal: Still Alive by Jonathan Coulton & GlaDOS on The Orange Box [Amarok]
2008-02-20 19:45 < compwhizii> hehe
2008-02-20 19:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Could somebody else look at this?
2008-02-20 19:56 < Tony_Sidaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia_videos
2008-02-20 19:56 < Tony_Sidaway> Looks like a heap of copyright infringements badged a "Wikipedia videos"
2008-02-20 19:58 < compwhizii> looking
2008-02-20 20:02 < compwhizii> Tony_Sidaway: yea, hat might be a problem
2008-02-20 20:02 < compwhizii> that*
2008-02-20 20:06 < compwhizii> Tony_Sidaway: STOP
2008-02-20 20:06 < compwhizii> don't speedy
2008-02-20 20:06 < compwhizii> Its a longtime contributer
2008-02-20 20:06 < compwhizii> i'll take it from here
2008-02-20 20:08 < compwhizii> ahhhh
2008-02-20 20:08 < compwhizii> too late :/
2008-02-20 20:10 < geniice> umm not on wikipedia
2008-02-20 20:10 < geniice> we don't carry those filetypes
2008-02-20 20:11 < geniice> and there is a limit to what you can do with 15 meg of Theora
2008-02-20 20:11 < Luna-San> But what if they're the droids you're looking for? :'(
2008-02-20 20:11 < geniice> or even technicaly dirac
2008-02-20 20:12 < geniice> Luna-San you transcode
2008-02-20 20:13 < Tanoshii> I assure you.. they are not ^_^
2008-02-20 20:13 < geniice> Which isn't a problem as long as you remebr how to use command prompt
2008-02-20 20:13 < Alkivar> http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/penile-art-by-p.html
2008-02-20 20:14 < The359> He's the only one?
2008-02-20 20:14 < The359> I fucking doubt that
2008-02-20 20:15 < Luna-San> Time to put 'im out of business, I say.
2008-02-20 20:15 < The359> I wonder if he paints with lead-based paint...
2008-02-20 20:16 < compwhizii> lol
2008-02-20 20:18 < Alkivar> http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2008/02/worlds-oldest-o.html
2008-02-20 20:22 < The359> hmmm
2008-02-20 20:22 < The359> Lunar Eclipse tonight
2008-02-20 20:22 < The359> AND the Navy is blowing up the satellite
2008-02-20 20:22 < The359> Might have a nice two-fer in the sky tonight
2008-02-20 20:22 < Buffalosoldier92> XD
2008-02-20 20:22 < Buffalosoldier92> I wanna see that
2008-02-20 20:22 < Buffalosoldier92> The lunar eclipse is at... 8 MST right?
2008-02-20 20:23 < The359> apparently
2008-02-20 20:23 < Buffalosoldier92> hahaha
2008-02-20 20:23 < Buffalosoldier92> 2 hours
2008-02-20 20:24 < The359> On 18 February, a NOTAM was issued, announcing the closure of airspace west of Maui on 21 February between 02:30 and 05:00 GMT. USA 193 will pass over the closed airspace at around 03:30 GMT. It is believed that the first attempt may occur at that time.
2008-02-20 20:25 < geniice> ffmpeg2theora uses FFmpeg to decode video and libtheora to encode it. This is currently the most functional Theora encoder oh dear
2008-02-20 20:25 < Apple> damnit, still need testers :(
2008-02-20 20:25 < Apple> you all fail!
2008-02-20 20:25 < Apple> hi :)
2008-02-20 20:25 < cctoide> He can't be, I just installed a top quality ceiling security system!
2008-02-20 20:25 < compwhizii> don't a good way start off here
2008-02-20 20:26 < Apple> don't?
2008-02-20 20:26 < compwhizii> not*
2008-02-20 20:26 < Apple> :)
2008-02-20 20:26 < quanticle> The359: I thought that shot was canceled due to bad weather and another attempt was scheduled.
2008-02-20 20:26 < The359> Dunno
2008-02-20 20:27 < quanticle> Well, that's what NPR was reporting on the way home, at any rate.
2008-02-20 20:27 < The359> On 19 February, another NOTAM was issued for the same times on 22 February, which is believed to be for a backup shot, in case the first one is unsuccessful, or is scrubbed.[22] A NOTAM for a third attempt at the same times on 23 February was issued on 20 February.[23]
2008-02-20 20:32 < quanticle> Is anyone else going to watch the total lunar eclipse tonight?
2008-02-20 20:32 < quanticle> I might, if I can get a view from indoors...
2008-02-20 20:32 * Ceiling_Cat prefers to watch people instead