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2008-02-19 17:48 < bumm13> probably not much in the near future
2008-02-19 17:50 < Demi> OverlordQ - the first thing
2008-02-19 17:51 < IceKarma> in a slightly related note, I'm glad to see that Turkmenistan is starting to shake off the effects of being ruled by a nutbar for far too long
2008-02-19 17:51 < minerale> Can someone fix [[Lawrence Lessig]] Part of the article is embedded in the references, seems like a unclosed tag somewhere I cant find it
2008-02-19 17:52 < IceKarma> allow me
2008-02-19 17:52 < IceKarma> minerale, fixed
2008-02-19 17:55 * Mike_H pets minerale
2008-02-19 17:57 < White_Cat> NotACow sadly lacking what?
2008-02-19 17:59 < Legotech> Hello
2008-02-19 17:59 < bumm13> hi
2008-02-19 18:03 < Mike_H> Legotech: hi!
2008-02-19 18:03 < Mike_H> Legotech: My normal television message board now knows all about Tedius Zanarukando
2008-02-19 18:03 < Mike_H> they find him creepy and hilarious at the same time.
2008-02-19 18:03 < Mike_H> they hope he never breeds.
2008-02-19 18:04 < Mike_H> oh, damn it
2008-02-19 18:04 < Mike_H> she's gone
2008-02-19 18:04 < Mike_H> :<
2008-02-19 18:07 < Paine> aaaaand channel 4 sinks to a new low.
2008-02-19 18:07 * Paine didn't think it was possible.
2008-02-19 18:09 < Mike_H> Paine: Oh, did they air a new special called "I'm 12 and I want a boob job"?
2008-02-19 18:10 < Mike_H> or a new nature show called "Twigs for Twiggy"?
2008-02-19 18:11 < AppleBoy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MN0eAGmMOU guy got owned at a basketball game -_-
2008-02-19 18:11 < Paine> Mike_H: "Baby bible bashers"
2008-02-19 18:11 < Demi> what is a baby bible like?
2008-02-19 18:12 < Paine> Demi: put a hyphen between the last 2 words. Blame channel 4 for naming it confusingly :p
2008-02-19 18:13 < Mike_H> Paine: If it makes you feel better, the idea Channel 4 had to tape a transsexual for seven days was nixed
2008-02-19 18:13 < Mike_H> it was called (rather insensitively) "Changing Sides"
2008-02-19 18:14 < Paine> ..
2008-02-19 18:14 < Mike_H> I wish I were kidding
2008-02-19 18:14 < Mike_H> but I'm not
2008-02-19 18:14 < Mike_H> Endemol was going to do it
2008-02-19 18:14 < Mike_H> with Channel 4
2008-02-19 18:14 < Paine> they really have no souls.
2008-02-19 18:14 < Mike_H> Endemol, best known for being the harbinger of reality TV decency
2008-02-19 18:14 < Mike_H> with Big Brother.
2008-02-19 18:14 < Demi> i know what babies are but i don't understand the implications of that show
2008-02-19 18:15 < Mike_H> Demi: Like a Maury show
2008-02-19 18:15 < Mike_H> crazy Bible-thumping kids
2008-02-19 18:15 < Mike_H> learned from their parents
2008-02-19 18:15 < Demi> ah okay
2008-02-19 18:15 < Demi> kiddie preachers and whatnot
2008-02-19 18:15 < Mike_H> Paine: have you ever seen Maury?
2008-02-19 18:15 < Mike_H> it's bad :<
2008-02-19 18:16 * bumm13 brushes his teeth
2008-02-19 18:16 < Mike_H> Demi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFMiSR5hHoc
2008-02-19 18:17 < Paine> Mike_H: yeah... it's failtastic
2008-02-19 18:19 < Mike_H> Paine: this was my favorite trashy talk show though
2008-02-19 18:19 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCX_5pnMbrY
2008-02-19 18:20 < Demi> yeah, i've seen maury before; the title "14 year old prostitute worked on moms bed and got pregnant" is pretty classic though (and classy)
2008-02-19 18:20 < OverlordQ> rofl sally?
2008-02-19 18:20 < OverlordQ> can't be worse then maury
2008-02-19 18:20 < Mike_H> OverlordQ: Love Sally <3333
2008-02-19 18:20 < Demi> sally is pretty bad
2008-02-19 18:20 < bumm13> doesn't Montel Williams have MS?
2008-02-19 18:20 < Demi> the funny thing is, she was once not completely scum-ass trashy
2008-02-19 18:20 < OverlordQ> I think I remember this one girl on mauray was on there like 6-7 times for paternity tests because none of the tests came back positive
2008-02-19 18:20 < Lucifer_Cat> sallycalled
2008-02-19 18:21 < Lucifer_Cat> she said i suppose u've heard
2008-02-19 18:21 < OverlordQ> and she didn't know 'who tha baby daddy' was
2008-02-19 18:21 < Mike_H> bumm13: yes
2008-02-19 18:22 < Mike_H> his show is ending in May
2008-02-19 18:22 < Mike_H> OverlordQ: Maury kind of depresses me
2008-02-19 18:22 < Mike_H> Sally was my favorite
2008-02-19 18:22 < Mike_H> second favorite was Ricki Lake
2008-02-19 18:23 < Lucifer_Cat> sally who?
2008-02-19 18:23 < Demi> ricki tried to be fun
2008-02-19 18:23 < Demi> but they are all depressing, you know
2008-02-19 18:23 < Lucifer_Cat> wait its mike_h.. its certainly bout some show
2008-02-19 18:27 < Paine> Mike_H: this show is making me sick :/
2008-02-19 18:27 < Mike_H> Demi: I just found a Ricki episode on YouTube
2008-02-19 18:27 < Mike_H> the topic
2008-02-19 18:27 < Mike_H> "Gals Who Love Gays!"
2008-02-19 18:28 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odMbsrU0P_M
2008-02-19 18:29 < bumm13> Kathy Griffin?
2008-02-19 18:29 < Mike_H> Carol Channing?
2008-02-19 18:30 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWYT8fCqpmE
2008-02-19 18:30 < Mike_H> oh, no
2008-02-19 18:30 < Mike_H> a Ricki episode about child abuse
2008-02-19 18:30 < Mike_H> she only did those shows after she had that baby of hers
2008-02-19 18:30 < bumm13> child abuse is horrible :(
2008-02-19 18:31 < Mike_H> bumm13: well, it was a "is spanking abuse?" episode
2008-02-19 18:31 < Mike_H> it had to be somewhat fluffy
2008-02-19 18:31 < Mike_H> I mean, it's Ricki
2008-02-19 18:31 < Mike_H> not Barbara Walters
2008-02-19 18:31 < bumm13> ah, gotcha
2008-02-19 18:31 < betim> hello, i'm limited in time, but i want to ask a quick question, Kosova is state now right, it's known from America, and so on, but in en.wikipedia, city names for Kosova, are wrong, so I decided to some corrections, and I found myself accused for vandalism
2008-02-19 18:32 < betim> then, i stoped changing names, and start replacing country from serbia to kosova, and got suspended for 48h
2008-02-19 18:32 < betim> why is this happening?
2008-02-19 18:34 < The359> the independence of Kosovo is not recognized by the rest of the world yet
2008-02-19 18:34 < bumm13> zocky - you still around?
2008-02-19 18:34 < OverlordQ> Mike_H: when's ANTM start up again?
2008-02-19 18:35 < The359> and I'm sure there's a huge debate regarding the changing of things like that, betim
2008-02-19 18:35 < The359> so you likely stepped into the middle of an arguement
2008-02-19 18:35 < betim> The359: yes, there are lots of country not recognized by all countries all over world
2008-02-19 18:35 < betim> s/country/countries
2008-02-19 18:35 < The359> true, but they do have more support than Kosovo does at this early hour of its independence
2008-02-19 18:36 < The359> it's basically premature to start changing everything relating to Kosovo over
2008-02-19 18:36 * quanticle just rocked a test
2008-02-19 18:36 < betim> well, fair enough :)
2008-02-19 18:38 < The359> you might be able to get your ban removed, but I'd generally stay away from the Kosovo articles for now
2008-02-19 18:38 < The359> Until some sort of consensus is reached (if ever)
2008-02-19 18:41 < betim> The359: thanks, I sure hope we'll reach some consensus, well maybe not 100% but, there ... :)
2008-02-19 18:43 < geniice> The359 well what with africa not saying much and south america holding out on the UN I can't see it happening any time soon
2008-02-19 18:43 < The359> Agreed
2008-02-19 18:45 < The359> I like how Costa Rica was the first country to recognize Kosovo
2008-02-19 18:45 < The359> a day before France, the US, UK, and others
2008-02-19 18:46 < Demi> they're trying to show that having a high population of sloths doesn't make one slow in foreign affairs
2008-02-19 18:47 < opertinicy> say there is an image (image.gif) used on 20 or so pages, and it has been superseded by image.svg
2008-02-19 18:47 < opertinicy> is there a bot that can automatically change the image.gif to image.svg on those pages?
2008-02-19 18:47 < geniice> The359 the UK is not going to recognise anyone on a weekend
2008-02-19 18:48 < NotASpy> why not. We nationalised Northern C
2008-02-19 18:48 < NotASpy> *why not. We nationalised Northern Rock on Sunday.
2008-02-19 18:49 < OverlordQ> *facepalm*
2008-02-19 18:49 < OverlordQ> stupid video player, I got 3 sets of subtitles on the screen and I can't figure out how to turn the last set off
2008-02-19 18:50 < The359> The Government of Serbia will recall Serbian ambassadors from states recognizing Kosovo, as it already did in the case of the United States,[102] Australia,[103] France and Turkey[104] for consultations, as part of the overall diplomatic answer to the recognition of Kosovo.
2008-02-19 18:50 < The359> Lovely
2008-02-19 18:51 < Arwen> OverlordQ, don't we all want our subs in three different languages at once?
2008-02-19 18:51 < Arwen> and while we're at it, let's have three dubs playing at once too :-)
2008-02-19 18:51 * The359 likes his subs not to talk
2008-02-19 18:51 < OverlordQ> Arwen: maybe, but they're all english and all on top of each other at slightly different offsets so the sum is they're all unreadable
2008-02-19 18:51 * Demi would like a delicious sub
2008-02-19 18:51 * The359 gives Demi a sub on a leash
2008-02-19 18:51 * Arwen spells VLC
2008-02-19 18:52 * Arwen smells VLC*
2008-02-19 18:53 < Demi> you think i don't know what to do with a leashed sub hottie, but i had enough substitute teachers to know what i'm doing
2008-02-19 19:16 * bumm13 bums around aimlessly
2008-02-19 19:25 < Evil_Monkey> what is the point of <includeonly> for templates?
2008-02-19 19:27 < JohnReaves> For things like categories
2008-02-19 19:27 < Evil_Monkey> ahh, that would make sense
2008-02-19 19:27 < JohnReaves> So [[Category:Trees]] doesn't end up in the template namespace
2008-02-19 19:27 < Evil_Monkey> I just see it being used for things like
2008-02-19 19:27 < Evil_Monkey> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:TOClimit&diff=prev&oldid=192650580
2008-02-19 19:28 < JohnReaves> I guess that's so you can't see the vandalism when viewing the template
2008-02-19 19:29 < Evil_Monkey> Very annoying when you can't work out which of several templates it could be
2008-02-19 19:32 * bumm13 can't taste anything right now :(
2008-02-19 19:33 * bumm13 slaps Rinn around a bit with a rotten sturgeon
2008-02-19 19:34 < bumm13> please stop that
2008-02-19 19:34 < Rinnstinct> :(
2008-02-19 19:39 * Loooooooong_Cat returns
2008-02-19 19:40 < cctoide> Still long?
2008-02-19 19:51 < syntaxerror55> Is there anyway I can put [[Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Isara]] under today's discussion
2008-02-19 19:51 < syntaxerror55> It's been five days without comment, and will probably be buried by tomorrow
2008-02-19 20:03 < NotACow> yay!
2008-02-19 20:03 < NotACow> my book arrived!
2008-02-19 20:04 * NotACow got a complimentary copy of "Wikipedia: The Missing Manual"
2008-02-19 20:05 < NotACow> i suppose i should review it and comment on it in my blog
2008-02-19 20:17 < NotACow> TALK NOW OR I SUMMON THE ADMINS
2008-02-19 20:19 * Ceiling_Cat watches NotACow update her blog
2008-02-19 20:24 < ancjr> anyone familiar with citation and noteriety concerns want to hold my hand a bit on the [[David Camm]] article?
2008-02-19 20:25 < The359> I don't think that murderers are usually notable enough for Wikipedia, ancjr
2008-02-19 20:25 < The359> Unless they are widely known, mass murders, or people who killed someone famous
2008-02-19 20:26 < ancjr> this was extensively covered in national media and in at least one book
2008-02-19 20:26 < Arwen> Charlie Chaplin didn't do either, but he still has a page
2008-02-19 20:26 < Arwen> he's just an ordinary murderer
2008-02-19 20:27 < ancjr> this case has elements beyond a simple murder trial
2008-02-19 20:27 < The359> was that a joke, Arwen?
2008-02-19 20:27 < Arwen> no
2008-02-19 20:27 < Arwen> he shot and killed a man while on a cruise with William Randolf Hearst
2008-02-19 20:28 < The359> ok
2008-02-19 20:28 < The359> Still, I don't think there's anything particularly notable about this, ancjr
2008-02-19 20:28 < The359> At least there's nothing you've provided which makes it that notable
2008-02-19 20:32 < The359> if you want to show notability, find articles showing the national coverage that you claim this case earned
2008-02-19 20:32 < The359> Not local Indiana networks and blogs
2008-02-19 20:33 < ancjr> 48 Hours is a national show
2008-02-19 20:33 * Mike_H pets SJFriedl
2008-02-19 20:33 < ancjr> and the book has international distribution
2008-02-19 20:33 < The359> don't all books?
2008-02-19 20:33 < The359> technically?
2008-02-19 20:33 < Mike_H> What are we talking about
2008-02-19 20:33 < The359> [[David Camm]]
2008-02-19 20:33 < Mike_H> ancjr: If you're asking if 48 Hours demonstrates notability
2008-02-19 20:33 < Mike_H> yes, it does
2008-02-19 20:33 < Mike_H> it's a well-known newsmagazine.
2008-02-19 20:33 < SJFriedl> ?
2008-02-19 20:34 < The359> Of a murderer, Mike_H?
2008-02-19 20:34 < ancjr> Mike_H: i need help saving this article - i just want what works to establish notability
2008-02-19 20:34 < The359> they seem to show a lot of them
2008-02-19 20:34 < The359> Major, national news sources would help
2008-02-19 20:34 < Mike_H> The359: It's a network newsmagazine.
2008-02-19 20:34 < Mike_H> it airs on CBS.
2008-02-19 20:34 < Mike_H> That's pretty national to me.
2008-02-19 20:34 < The359> So is Entertainment Tonight, MikeH
2008-02-19 20:34 < Mike_H> SJFriedl: I petted you :>
2008-02-19 20:34 < Mike_H> The359: Bitch, please.
2008-02-19 20:34 < SJFriedl> how nice for me :-)
2008-02-19 20:34 < Mike_H> You know 48 Hours is not the same damn thing.
2008-02-19 20:35 < The359> I know they're a major show, but they also show all kinds of murder investigations
2008-02-19 20:35 < The359> I'm not sure if it makes the murder case notable enough for Wikipedia
2008-02-19 20:36 < Mike_H> I think regardless of the topics normally covered, the exposure is notability enough.
2008-02-19 20:36 < Mike_H> I get your point, though
2008-02-19 20:37 < Mike_H> that you think they show "just any murder"
2008-02-19 20:37 < Mike_H> but clearly they pick and choose which ones go on
2008-02-19 20:37 < Mike_H> and surely they have a bar that they have to pass. Even for them.
2008-02-19 20:37 < ancjr> so would removing the local news coverage links help
2008-02-19 20:37 < The359> I just recall before that articles about big national murder cases in the past year or two have been deleted
2008-02-19 20:37 < Mike_H> ancjr: no
2008-02-19 20:37 < The359> Because we can't list every murder out there
2008-02-19 20:38 < The359> I can't remember any of their names now though
2008-02-19 20:38 < The359> Like that woman who was murdered by her husband or whatever and her son was left at the house alone.
2008-02-19 20:50 < Ceiling_Cat> Too quiet in here
2008-02-19 20:51 < quanticle> Ceiling_Cat: ROAR]
2008-02-19 20:51 * Ceiling_Cat latches onto quanticle's face
2008-02-19 20:51 * quanticle gently removes Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-19 20:51 * quanticle huggles Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-19 20:52 * quanticle thinks something is seriously wrong with his sense of time..
2008-02-19 20:53 < quanticle> I was talking with some friends, and I thought only 5 minutes had passed. When I looked at my watch, over an hour and half had gone by
2008-02-19 20:53 < Monobi> >.>
2008-02-19 20:53 < pi3> What is the font used for "Wikipedia" in the logo?
2008-02-19 20:55 < Cyrius> pi3: [[Hoefler Text]]
2008-02-19 20:56 < quanticle> So, yeah, I've been wrong about times before, but I usually know that I'm late and don't care, as opposed to not knowing that I'm late...
2008-02-19 20:57 < pi3> Cyrius: thanks, however I don't understand why Wikipedia uses a non-free font for its logo
2008-02-19 20:57 < NotACow> pi3: why not? the logo itself is nonfree.
2008-02-19 20:58 < quanticle> Yeah. The logo is copyrighted by the Wikimedia foundation, no?
2008-02-19 20:58 < NotACow> quanticle: actually the copyright status of the wikipedia logo is unclear.
2008-02-19 20:58 < pi3> NotACow: well, given that Wikipedia is free and even its motto is "the free encyclopedia", the impulse is to think that the logo is free.. just my thoughts
2008-02-19 20:59 < NotACow> pi3: the wikimedia foundation claims an all-rights-reserved status on all wikimedia-related logos
2008-02-19 20:59 < Arwen> ^^ - copyright is BAD
2008-02-19 20:59 < NotACow> quanticle: the foundation would prefer to claim ownership on the logo and refrain from licensing it, but they can't
2008-02-19 20:59 < NotACow> quanticle: because it was designed by someone who was not a foundation employee and there is no formal transfer of copyright
2008-02-19 21:00 < pi3> have to find a similar font then
2008-02-19 21:00 < NotACow> the person who designed it has not identified what license, if any, applies
2008-02-19 21:01 < quanticle> NotACow: Oh. So the logo was defined before anyone realized how popular Wikipedia would become?
2008-02-19 21:01 < quanticle> NotACow: Has there been any effort to create a new logo that would be exclusively owned by the Foundation?
2008-02-19 21:04 < Random832> i thought they did transfer copyright formally
2008-02-19 21:04 < Random832> there was a delay on it becoming the logo until then
2008-02-19 21:06 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Image:Taric Alani Self sucker.jpg]] <--- how many autofellatio pics does one encyclopedia need?
2008-02-19 21:07 < kenlyric> 0
2008-02-19 21:07 < MrZ-man> Ceiling_Cat: a lot, apparently
2008-02-19 21:07 < kenlyric> if you can't get it from the description, you're doing something wrong.
2008-02-19 21:07 * bumm13 hates colds >:(
2008-02-19 21:08 < Ceiling_Cat> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Autofellatio
2008-02-19 21:08 < Ceiling_Cat> Answer: 7
2008-02-19 21:08 < Ceiling_Cat> (And counting)
2008-02-19 21:09 < MrZ-man> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Penis
2008-02-19 21:09 < Demi> this manchego isn't that great
2008-02-19 21:10 < Rinn> I always keep the penis and autofellatio pictures on hand for quick vandalism.
2008-02-19 21:10 < quanticle> Rinn: Really? I prefer to use the traditional standbys of goatse and tubgirl
2008-02-19 21:10 * Ceiling_Cat prefers to vandalize with grandma porn
2008-02-19 21:11 < Ceiling_Cat> or possibly furry porn if I'm so motivated
2008-02-19 21:11 < DannyLilithborne> best vandalism is replacing an article with "lol dont read this"
2008-02-19 21:11 < DannyLilithborne> or replacing Earth with "Mostly harmless"
2008-02-19 21:11 < DannyLilithborne> blindingly original
2008-02-19 21:11 < quanticle> I wonder if anyone has thought of making an anti-huggle...
2008-02-19 21:11 < Demi> a sluggle
2008-02-19 21:12 < quanticle> An automated vandalism tool...
2008-02-19 21:12 * Demi sluggles quanticle
2008-02-19 21:12 < DannyLilithborne> while we're at it let's stuff beans up our nose
2008-02-19 21:12 * quanticle sluggles Demi
2008-02-19 21:12 < Demi> oh, there has been plenty of bot-based vandalism
2008-02-19 21:12 < DannyLilithborne> oh, totally sre
2008-02-19 21:12 < NotACow> i should write an autovandalism tool
2008-02-19 21:12 < DannyLilithborne> *sure
2008-02-19 21:12 < quanticle> DannyLilithborne: Forget beans, go for the entire stalk...
2008-02-19 21:13 < Rinn> quanticle: I don't have an account, so I can't upload pictures.
2008-02-19 21:13 < Demi> NotACow - make it totally automated, with {{unblock}} requests and occasionally typo fixing to boot
2008-02-19 21:13 < Demi> teh -> the
2008-02-19 21:13 < NotACow> Demi: yup!
2008-02-19 21:13 < Demi> that kind of thing
2008-02-19 21:13 < DannyLilithborne> beans beans the musical fruit
2008-02-19 21:13 < quanticle> NotACow: The justification for it could be, "Huggle has altered the balance of the force..."
2008-02-19 21:13 < NotACow> Demi: i'm even tempted to make it vote on AfDs every so often.
2008-02-19 21:13 < Demi> {{unblock|why you got to play that? because i'm not in the club?}}
2008-02-19 21:13 < Demi> you could make a fortune file of silly yet plausible responses to talk page warnings and block notices
2008-02-19 21:14 * bumm13 sneezes into the IRC channel
2008-02-19 21:14 < DannyLilithborne> {{unblock|So I can vandalize Wikipedia more}}
2008-02-19 21:14 < Rinn> Heehee, replacing [[Earth]] with "mostly harmless." I hadn't thought of that.
2008-02-19 21:14 < MrZ-man> {{unblock|It wasn't me}}
2008-02-19 21:14 < DannyLilithborne> {{unblock|Cuz the admin that blocked me was crack bootylicious}}
2008-02-19 21:15 < quanticle> Demi: How so? Its not like anyone's paying you...
2008-02-19 21:15 < quanticle> {{unblock|Moderators are on crack}}
2008-02-19 21:15 < Cyrius> Rinn: that's an old one
2008-02-19 21:15 < quanticle> err... Wait, wrong site...
2008-02-19 21:16 < Cyrius> Rinn: there's even a comment at the top of [[Earth]] saying '
2008-02-19 21:16 < Cyrius> Don't bother with "MOSTLY HARMLESS" vandalism. It's been done to death. Find something to improve.'
2008-02-19 21:16 < Demi> quanticle - how so which what?
2008-02-19 21:16 < DannyLilithborne> *Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively. You, on the other hand, can get mad-cow disease and die. Thank you. ~~~~
2008-02-19 21:16 < Demi> has it never occurred to the ID people, that the best argument for intelligent design is not humanity or the eye, but risotto?
2008-02-19 21:17 < quanticle> Demi: Its a /. meme on Wikipedia...
2008-02-19 21:17 < bumm13> I prefer Evil Otto
2008-02-19 21:17 < quanticle> Demi: Risotto?
2008-02-19 21:17 < DannyLilithborne> '''Earth''' was created 6000 years ago... by [[God]].
2008-02-19 21:17 < quanticle> Demi: Are we bringing pastafarianism into this?
2008-02-19 21:18 < Demi> yeah, it's rice *that makes its own sauce*!
2008-02-19 21:19 < DannyLilithborne> {{unblock|Cuz I really meant it when I put "making it better" in my edit summary}}
2008-02-19 21:19 < DannyLilithborne> funny how edit summaries that say "making it better" never make it better
2008-02-19 21:20 < researchsocial> hello
2008-02-19 21:21 < researchsocial> i m currently doing a survey on wikipedians, on people who believe that they have IT skill
2008-02-19 21:21 < researchsocial> if you are interested
2008-02-19 21:21 < researchsocial> http://www.my3q.com/home2/202/researchsocial/nuswiki.phtml
2008-02-19 21:21 < researchsocial> thanks a lot
2008-02-19 21:22 < researchsocial> it is for my school project
2008-02-19 21:23 < NotACow> if you want to have your edits not examined, use "rvv" as an edit summary
2008-02-19 21:23 < NotACow> or use an edit summary that LOOKS LIKE a rollback
2008-02-19 21:24 < NotACow> or fake a twinkle summary
2008-02-19 21:24 < NotACow> most rc patrollers assume that edit summaries that resemble automated tools are actually from the automated tools
2008-02-19 21:25 < MrZ-man> "Vandalism, using TW"
2008-02-19 21:25 < Demi> coordinate two bots, one from an IP that makes obvious vandalism, and your smart bot which puts in subtle vandalism with a revert edit summary
2008-02-19 21:25 < FastLizard4> NotACow: (curr) (last) 3:24 February 19, 2008; User:FastLizard4 (-439813) User:JimboWales Reverted edits by User:JimboWales identified as vandalism using TW :P
2008-02-19 21:25 < Demi> and maybe with the character counts coming out right
2008-02-19 21:26 < FastLizard4> NotACow: There's a flaw in that theory :P
2008-02-19 21:26 < NotACow> Demi: that's the best approach
2008-02-19 21:26 < NotACow> Demi: most vandalism reverters will not check the one-back edit
2008-02-19 21:26 < NotACow> Demi: so make a subtle vandalism with one account, and follow it up with a gross vandalism by another
2008-02-19 21:27 < NotACow> Demi: i could probably introduce dozens of stupd grammatical errors that way
2008-02-19 21:27 < Demi> better would be numerical changes, which are hard to detect if they're not right next to each other
2008-02-19 21:27 < Demi> birthdates and things like that
2008-02-19 21:28 < Demi> interspersed with legitimate edits
2008-02-19 21:28 < NotACow> Demi: yup
2008-02-19 21:28 < Demi> in fact, simulate a cut and paste reversion where you've changed the whitespace so the whole paragraph is diffed out, then your subtle changes won't be easily visible, either
2008-02-19 21:29 < White_Cat> Demi
2008-02-19 21:29 < White_Cat> are you User:Demi on wikipedia?
2008-02-19 21:30 < Demi> yes
2008-02-19 21:30 < Demi> well, was
2008-02-19 21:30 < DannyLilithborne> best sneaky vandalism is to make a minor edit along with obnoxious vandalism, and then revert back only the obnoxious part
2008-02-19 21:33 < Demi> it's probably more entertaining to do it by hand, honestly. i wouldn't get my jollies changing birthdates or something but getting a well-crafted fake paragraph or whole article through might be kind of fun, in the hypothetical circumstance i had any interest in making wikipedia worse
2008-02-19 21:39 < gwern> huh. accirdubg to Quid, Austrian postmen are forbidden to have moustaches for fear of confusion with military officers
2008-02-19 21:39 < gwern> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/frances-favourite-encyclopaedia-falls-victim-to-wikipedia-784420.html
2008-02-19 21:48 < quanticle> gwern: Are the post-office uniforms like military ones?
2008-02-19 21:49 < gwern> quanticle: I have no idea. it would make sense
2008-02-19 21:49 * NotACow is aware of at least two nihilartikels at the moment
2008-02-19 21:50 < quanticle> What is a nihilartikel?
2008-02-19 21:52 < Sonja> who was/is the youngest head of state elected?
2008-02-19 21:52 < Sonja> evar
2008-02-19 21:52 * _sj_ eats SJ|Homework's work
2008-02-19 21:52 * Arwen gives Sonja a Google cookie
2008-02-19 21:52 < _sj_> Sonja, elected or "elected"?
2008-02-19 21:52 < Sonja> er... both ?
2008-02-19 21:52 < Sonja> mmm cookies
2008-02-19 21:55 < _sj_> quanticle, see [[nihilartikel]]
2008-02-19 21:55 < _sj_> sonja, see [[Pitt the younger]]
2008-02-19 21:55 < Sonja> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_notable_state_leaders#Youngest_state_leaders
2008-02-19 21:56 < _sj_> and... they leave him out
2008-02-19 21:56 < _sj_> those darned wikipedian ragamuffins
2008-02-19 22:01 < NotACow> obama is up another 7.4 points at intrade.
2008-02-19 22:02 < NotACow> 4.8 points to win the oval
2008-02-19 22:03 < quanticle> Heh. Well, he's got Wisconsin locked up. Wasn't WI supposed to go to Clinton?
2008-02-19 22:03 * quanticle huggles gurch
2008-02-19 22:03 < Random832> anyone watching jericho? i missed last week fill me in
2008-02-19 22:04 < quanticle> Random832: They still show Jericho? I thought that show got canceled...
2008-02-19 22:04 < Random832> it's back as of a week ago apparently
2008-02-19 22:04 < Random832> they were holding off because of the writers strike
2008-02-19 22:05 < quanticle> Oh. I thought that show got canceled last year. I just stopped seeing any mention of it, and figured it wasn't coming back...
2008-02-19 22:06 < gurch> ?
2008-02-19 22:06 * gurch huggles quanticle
2008-02-19 22:06 * gurch huggles NotACow
2008-02-19 22:06 * gurch huggles Random832
2008-02-19 22:06 < NotAPolecat> de is down
2008-02-19 22:07 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: who speaks that language anyway?
2008-02-19 22:07 < Mike_H> no loss.
2008-02-19 22:07 < NotAPolecat> Me.
2008-02-19 22:07 < NotAPolecat> Granted, they're not likely to get many hits at this time of day.
2008-02-19 22:08 < NotAPolecat> fewer hits than, say Procol Harum
2008-02-19 22:08 * Lycurgus_ who doesn't?
2008-02-19 22:08 < Krimpet> it seems to be working for me
2008-02-19 22:08 < NotAPolecat> Back up, fancy
2008-02-19 22:09 < Krimpet> presuming "Zufälliger Artikel" means "Random article," that is. :p
2008-02-19 22:09 < NotAPolecat> yea, I had a pageload error or five
2008-02-19 22:09 < NotAPolecat> It doth
2008-02-19 22:09 < NotAPolecat> :-D
2008-02-19 22:10 * NotAPolecat wants to set a message-sending MSN status message but can't find a proper wording
2008-02-19 22:10 < Lycurgus> "It's your ISP" should be in the topic.
2008-02-19 22:10 < Mike_H> Big Brother is just so mind-numbingly dumb this season.
2008-02-19 22:10 < Mike_H> Yes, even more than usual.
2008-02-19 22:10 < Mike_H> Dare I say, it's at its worst.
2008-02-19 22:10 < MrZ-man> *this* season?
2008-02-19 22:11 < Lycurgus> as oposed to all the others, huh?
2008-02-19 22:11 < Lycurgus> p
2008-02-19 22:11 < Mike_H> I typed what I did so you all wouldn't have to.
2008-02-19 22:11 < Mike_H> So you're just being redundant
2008-02-19 22:11 < Mike_H> and as dumb as they are.
2008-02-19 22:11 < Mike_H> Thank you.
2008-02-19 22:11 < Xizer> so how about that obammer winning wisconsin tonight
2008-02-19 22:11 < Xizer> pretty cool huh guys
2008-02-19 22:11 < NotAPolecat> Is he?
2008-02-19 22:11 < Lycurgus> well you deserve abuse for even mentioning that dreck
2008-02-19 22:11 < NotAPolecat> he was technically just leading last time I checked
2008-02-19 22:12 < Xizer> Yeah he's beating Hillary by 14%
2008-02-19 22:12 < NotAPolecat> Mike is very interested in the micro-interactions of people.
2008-02-19 22:12 * Mike_H slaps Lycurgus around a bit with a large trout
2008-02-19 22:12 * Mike_H slaps Lycurgus around a bit with a large trout
2008-02-19 22:12 * Mike_H slaps Lycurgus around a bit with a large trout
2008-02-19 22:12 < Mike_H> there
2008-02-19 22:12 < Mike_H> I abused you.
2008-02-19 22:13 < NotAPolecat> OP!
2008-02-19 22:13 < NotAPolecat> :-P
2008-02-19 22:13 * Pumpmeup slaps Mike_H with a whip of nine tails
2008-02-19 22:13 < Lycurgus> thank you.
2008-02-19 22:13 < Mike_H> :<
2008-02-19 22:13 * Mike_H deflates Pumpmeup
2008-02-19 22:13 < NotAPolecat> Some of them want to be abused...
2008-02-19 22:13 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: Some of them want to use you.
2008-02-19 22:13 < NotAPolecat> Yea, but I don't let em.
2008-02-19 22:13 < NotAPolecat> I get all out of book when that happens.
2008-02-19 22:14 < Lycurgus> I want in general to be punished when wrong as in this case of even commenting on such shit.
2008-02-19 22:14 < NotAPolecat> or in this case out of song
2008-02-19 22:14 * Pumpmeup needs pumping up
2008-02-19 22:14 < NotACow> TROUT ABUSE
2008-02-19 22:14 < NotAPolecat> The troutworthiness of this chat is dubitable
2008-02-19 22:14 * NotACow punishes Lycurgus with an anal pear
2008-02-19 22:15 < minerale> Anyone listening live to Barack Obama? He seems tired?
2008-02-19 22:15 < NotACow> minerale: you'd be tired too
2008-02-19 22:15 < Arwen> minerale, Obama is tired?
2008-02-19 22:15 < quanticle> minerale: Not as tired as Hillary.
2008-02-19 22:15 < Arwen> I would be too at this hour
2008-02-19 22:15 < NotACow> hillary probably looks like something the cat dragged in
2008-02-19 22:15 < quanticle> minerale: Hillary looked like she was going to doze off at the podium...
2008-02-19 22:15 < Alpha_Juliett> XD
2008-02-19 22:16 < Alpha_Juliett> I don't blame Bill Clinton
2008-02-19 22:16 < Alpha_Juliett> What would you do if you woke up and saw Hillary Clinton...
2008-02-19 22:16 < minerale> I didn't watch Hilary, but obama seems very tired, I'm concerned he'll just faint.
2008-02-19 22:16 < Alpha_Juliett> They do seem tired
2008-02-19 22:16 < Alpha_Juliett> Campaigning takes a lot outta you
2008-02-19 22:16 < minerale> Is video of Hilary's speech up on youtube?
2008-02-19 22:16 < Alpha_Juliett> Multiple states in one day...
2008-02-19 22:16 < yuriks> Hey
2008-02-19 22:16 < Alpha_Juliett> Hey yuriks
2008-02-19 22:16 < quanticle> minerale: I wouldn't think so. Its only been a few minutes.
2008-02-19 22:17 < yuriks> does a 320x240 (native resolution) screenshot count as "Low-resolution"?
2008-02-19 22:17 < quanticle> yuriks: Yeah.
2008-02-19 22:17 < yuriks> I mean, since it's not downscaled nor anything
2008-02-19 22:17 < Lycurgus> they actually are tired aren't they? Another liberal lawyer in the white house 92-00 redux I says.
2008-02-19 22:17 < NotAPolecat> Obama, the pep talk messiah
2008-02-19 22:17 < quanticle> yuriks: High-res, for most intents and purposes means 1024x768 or higher
2008-02-19 22:17 < Lycurgus> *libera lawyer couple
2008-02-19 22:17 < Lycurgus> l
2008-02-19 22:17 < yuriks> quanticle: oh, ok
2008-02-19 22:17 < minerale> quanticle: hah, http://youtube.com/watch?v=G8FRA7k6RVI
2008-02-19 22:18 < minerale> just part of he speech though
2008-02-19 22:18 < quanticle> minerale: Never underestimate the speed of the 'net?
2008-02-19 22:18 < yuriks> I was thinking high-res meant "over 1024x768 or close to the original source"
2008-02-19 22:18 < Lycurgus> except maybe these 2 are ever so slightly more principled and a little less bright
2008-02-19 22:19 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Huh? Who're you talking about?
2008-02-19 22:19 < Lycurgus> <- doesn't know and does'nt give a shit about bourgeois politics.
2008-02-19 22:19 < quanticle> Lycurgus <- marxist?
2008-02-19 22:19 < Lycurgus> quanticle: the Obamas vs. the Clintons.
2008-02-19 22:20 < minerale> < communist (raised)
2008-02-19 22:20 < Lycurgus> No. Socialist.
2008-02-19 22:21 < noclip> bah
2008-02-19 22:21 < Daniel_Bush> Obama could ruin his chances right now by stuttering for 90 seconds and then saying "sorry, can I start over from the beginning"
2008-02-19 22:21 < Daniel_Bush> or jumping off stage and shouting "Crowd surf!"
2008-02-19 22:21 < noclip> have any of you been following this wikileaks story?
2008-02-19 22:21 < Lycurgus> and Reformed Capitalist and that term would be evident from the Terrestrial Political Perspectives section of my POV page.
2008-02-19 22:21 < minerale> And I appreciate that Religion was illegal in the communist country where I grew up, I was not indoctrinated with all that bullshit
2008-02-19 22:21 < Lycurgus> s/and/as/
2008-02-19 22:22 < quanticle> minerale: Where did you grow up?
2008-02-19 22:22 < minerale> Albania
2008-02-19 22:22 < Lycurgus> you know Socialism with American Characteristics.
2008-02-19 22:22 < Daniel_Bush> They were taken offline by a California court for revealing the shady practices of an offshore Swiss bank?
2008-02-19 22:22 < noclip> yeah
2008-02-19 22:22 < noclip> it's a permenant injunction against the entire site
2008-02-19 22:23 < noclip> that judge has no clue what he is doing
2008-02-19 22:23 < noclip> the precedent it could set
2008-02-19 22:23 < Daniel_Bush> Luckily there are mirrors
2008-02-19 22:23 < noclip> you can still view the real site
2008-02-19 22:23 < quanticle> minerale: Has that place become any less corrupt recently? I remember that, during the mid-90's it was famous for its corrupt government.
2008-02-19 22:23 < noclip> just not by dns name
2008-02-19 22:23 < Xizer> Wikileaks should take this to the Supreme Court
2008-02-19 22:23 < _sj_> /join #obama
2008-02-19 22:23 < quanticle> Xizer: You gonna pay for that legal effort?
2008-02-19 22:24 < _sj_> /join #leakawiki
2008-02-19 22:24 < Lycurgus> yeah, as I said earlier, clueless pigs with no technical skillz. But interesting re some DNS and IPV6 stuff I have in train.
2008-02-19 22:24 < Daniel_Bush> Since it was in a district court, shouldn't they go to the Court of Appeals first?
2008-02-19 22:24 < noclip> quanticle: they have lawyers working pro bono
2008-02-19 22:24 < Xizer> Oh please
2008-02-19 22:24 < Xizer> A bunch of Wikileaks' staff are lawyers
2008-02-19 22:24 < Xizer> And besides, it's an open-and-shut freedom of speech case
2008-02-19 22:24 < minerale> quanticle: It only became democratic in 92, no wonder the mess. I have not been back in eight years
2008-02-19 22:24 < Xizer> They don't even need lawyers
2008-02-19 22:24 < noclip> that's not to mention the EFF, who certainly have something to say about all this
2008-02-19 22:24 < Arwen> wikileaks is dead
2008-02-19 22:24 < Xizer> And the ACLU
2008-02-19 22:24 < Arwen> cmon, we all know it
2008-02-19 22:24 < noclip> arwen: 88.80.13.160
2008-02-19 22:25 < Arwen> they'll take that down eventually too
2008-02-19 22:25 < noclip> oh no, i just violated a federal court injunction
2008-02-19 22:25 < quanticle> Arwen: We're waiting for it rise like a phoenix.
2008-02-19 22:25 < noclip> by acting as a human dns server
2008-02-19 22:25 < gurch> ohnoes
2008-02-19 22:25 < noclip> i'm going to jail
2008-02-19 22:25 * gurch dns poisons noclip
2008-02-19 22:25 < Daniel_Bush> How big is the entirety of wikileaks.org?
2008-02-19 22:25 < gurch> <------------------>
2008-02-19 22:25 < gurch> (not to scale)
2008-02-19 22:25 < noclip> if that ruling stands
2008-02-19 22:25 < noclip> and i can't imagine it will
2008-02-19 22:26 < noclip> half the internet will disappear
2008-02-19 22:26 < gurch> that might actually be a good thing
2008-02-19 22:26 < gurch> if they pick the right half
2008-02-19 22:26 < noclip> heh
2008-02-19 22:26 < noclip> wikipedia would definitely disappear
2008-02-19 22:26 < gurch> please let it be the half with 4chan in it
2008-02-19 22:26 < Cyrius> hehe
2008-02-19 22:26 < quanticle> gurch: With our luck, only 4chan will be left after the eventual carnage
2008-02-19 22:27 < noclip> "what!? you don't endorse scientology?"
2008-02-19 22:27 < Lycurgus> you know Chomsky is right, these people do think the own the world
2008-02-19 22:27 < Lycurgus> y
2008-02-19 22:27 < quanticle> Lycurgus: That's because, for the most part, they do.
2008-02-19 22:27 < Lycurgus> No, they don'
2008-02-19 22:27 < Lycurgus> t
2008-02-19 22:27 < gurch> as long as IRC isn't shut down, I don't care
2008-02-19 22:27 * gurch has to get huggles somehow
2008-02-19 22:28 * gurch huggles Lycurgus
2008-02-19 22:28 < Lycurgus> they just too stupid to realize they overplayed their hand
2008-02-19 22:28 < quanticle> gurch: Well, given that IRC != www, I think we're safe (for now).
2008-02-19 22:28 < gurch> yes
2008-02-19 22:28 < Lycurgus> *huggles back
2008-02-19 22:28 < Miranda> hi I_am_Keegan
2008-02-19 22:28 < noclip> irc needs dns to some extent
2008-02-19 22:28 < gurch> with a bit of luck they'll never figure out WWW != Internet
2008-02-19 22:28 < Lycurgus> *they're
2008-02-19 22:28 < I_am_Keegan> hi Miranda
2008-02-19 22:28 < noclip> unless you want to remember all the network's server ips
2008-02-19 22:28 < quanticle> noclip: what do you mean?
2008-02-19 22:28 < quanticle> noclip: Ah...
2008-02-19 22:29 * Ceiling_Cat has delicious brownies in the oven
2008-02-19 22:29 < Daniel_Bush> I like scanning IP addresses that have edited articles I wrote because it feels nice when you have a Department of Agriculture IP address, say, extending an article on a species of plant
2008-02-19 22:30 < noclip> or an NSA IP address blanking the page on ~CARRIER LOST
2008-02-19 22:30 < ancjr> doh
2008-02-19 22:30 < ancjr> looks like i missed Mike_H
2008-02-19 22:31 < Lycurgus> in fact with a national debut approaching 10 trillion USD, relatively low growth, and a sclerotic political framework I wouldn't imagine they'll be anything other than a continuall diminishing albeit
2008-02-19 22:31 < noclip> i wonder if i'm actually legally acting as a DNS server by giving out wikilinks' ip
2008-02-19 22:31 < Lycurgus> continually negative political influence.
2008-02-19 22:32 < quanticle> Lycurgus: Who?
2008-02-19 22:33 * gurch legally acts as a chocolate teapot
2008-02-19 22:33 < Lycurgus> quanticle: yous.
2008-02-19 22:34 < noclip> some of the stuff on wikileaks would probably warrant a pullitzer were it to be dug up my reporters
2008-02-19 22:35 < quanticle> Lycurgus: I thought so. I saw the figure for the national debt, and I figured ther'd be no one other than the US with a debt that high.
2008-02-19 22:35 < noclip> damn idiot judge
2008-02-19 22:35 < Lycurgus> though maybe after another 8 years of McCain or Obama they will be ready for real change but by then it will be too late.
2008-02-19 22:36 < Lycurgus> right. The EU has a larger GDP but they also have a much smaller total debt.
2008-02-19 22:36 < Lycurgus> slightly larger.
2008-02-19 22:36 < Lycurgus> and of course it's not a federal state.
2008-02-19 22:37 < Lycurgus> not a real one, let alone a unitary one like China.
2008-02-19 22:45 < Lycurgus> ,o0("national debut" STOP THAT)
2008-02-19 22:47 < bumm13> hiya Mark_Ryan
2008-02-19 22:47 < Mark_Ryan> hullo
2008-02-19 22:47 * bumm13 has a cold :<
2008-02-19 22:48 * Mark_Ryan is cold
2008-02-19 22:48 * Lycurgus was bitter
2008-02-19 22:48 < bumm13> what, 28 C? ;)
2008-02-19 22:48 * privatemusings is hot
2008-02-19 22:49 * Rinn whistles
2008-02-19 22:49 * privatemusings hums
2008-02-19 22:49 < bumm13> it's currently 8 C (46 F) locally right now
2008-02-19 22:49 < Mark_Ryan> bumm13, no, 24
2008-02-19 22:49 < bumm13> and that's mild compared to much of the northern U.S.
2008-02-19 22:49 < Monobi> ?
2008-02-19 22:49 < Monobi> What's a mild?
2008-02-19 22:50 < Monobi> s/a//
2008-02-19 22:50 < Lycurgus> not wild
2008-02-19 22:50 < Monobi> er
2008-02-19 22:50 * bumm13 slaps Monobi around a bit with a rotten crappy
2008-02-19 22:51 < Mark_Ryan> what's a crappy?
2008-02-19 22:51 < Monobi> >.>
2008-02-19 22:51 < Monobi> No kidding.
2008-02-19 22:51 < bumm13> *crappie
2008-02-19 22:51 < Monobi> <---- american english plz
2008-02-19 22:51 < Monobi> :)
2008-02-19 22:51 < Starnestommy> a fish
2008-02-19 22:51 < Mark_Ryan> is a crappie a slang term for a used diaper/nappy?
2008-02-19 22:51 < bumm13> that is American English
2008-02-19 22:52 < Monobi> Oh
2008-02-19 22:52 < Monobi> I prefer French fries
2008-02-19 22:52 * Lycurgus dumps poutine on Monobi
2008-02-19 22:52 * Monobi /cycles
2008-02-19 22:53 < uberpenguin> crappie is a delicious fish
2008-02-19 22:53 < bumm13> >(,')
2008-02-19 22:54 < bumm13> hiya uberpenguin
2008-02-19 22:54 < bumm13> howdy ggreer
2008-02-19 22:54 < ggreer> yo
2008-02-19 22:54 < Monobi> bumm13, about your discussion earlier... do you own any guns?
2008-02-19 22:55 < Mark_Ryan> naming a fish 'crappie' is like naming a fish 'shithous' or something
2008-02-19 22:55 < uberpenguin> http://www.actionfishingtrips.com/Matt'sbigun.JPG
2008-02-19 22:55 < ggreer> Monobi: do you?
2008-02-19 22:55 < Monobi> ya
2008-02-19 22:55 < uberpenguin> you don't have to eat them... more for me
2008-02-19 22:55 < Monobi> Fish really don't taste too good
2008-02-19 22:55 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-02-19 22:55 < uberpenguin> how unfortunate for you
2008-02-19 22:56 < Leslie_S> Monobi most fish dont, in my opinion, but salmon, sauteed with some cajun spice, thats pretty good..
2008-02-19 22:57 < bumm13> heh -- http://web.mac.com/arnold_zwicky/stopsayinglike.jpg
2008-02-19 22:57 < Leslie_S> Monobi and salmon is something i can catch for.... a fishing rod, a $1 lure (in reality you'll lose atleast 3 to catch one fish..), and some fishing line (3)
2008-02-19 22:57 < Leslie_S> and my fishing rod was..free. :P
2008-02-19 22:57 < Monobi> Lol
2008-02-19 22:58 < Lycurgus> re "crappie": not really, it's coining predates the dissolution of the seperation between vulgar and official English
2008-02-19 22:58 < Monobi> :p;
2008-02-19 22:58 < Monobi> *Lol
2008-02-19 22:58 < Lycurgus> e.g.: 'Dick'
2008-02-19 22:58 < Lycurgus> nobody under 40 is called 'Dick' anymore
2008-02-19 22:58 < Rinn> I call everyone named Richard Dick.
2008-02-19 22:58 < Lycurgus> yeah but we know why you do it
2008-02-19 22:59 < Lycurgus> btw I've figured out why women/bottoms make those disgusting noises during sex
2008-02-19 22:59 < Lycurgus> cheerleading.
2008-02-19 22:59 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus dick isnt a name, its a nickname for richard. duh.
2008-02-19 23:00 < Leslie_S> Lycurgus and uh, those sounds are something that women make involuntarily. i mean, we can suppress them...but...WHY?
2008-02-19 23:01 < Lycurgus> the "know her perception of her own beauty by her lack of motion during sex" meme being the ground for such cheerleading
2008-02-19 23:02 < Lycurgus> *apparent motion
2008-02-19 23:05 < Lycurgus> involuntary != autonomic. Not a genuine physiological derived response, a culture one as evinced by it's absence in some cases
2008-02-19 23:05 < Lycurgus> specifically those associated with said meme
2008-02-19 23:05 < Lycurgus> *culturally/acquired
2008-02-19 23:06 < Lycurgus> *socially/psychologically acquired