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2008-02-19 10:03 < uberpenguin> until then we'll just crap up this IRC channel and give it its much-deserved reputation as evil
2008-02-19 10:04 < uberpenguin> fundamentally effecting no recourse whatsoever, but feeling pretty self-satisfied about it nonetheless
2008-02-19 10:05 * Manetho_ is pretty sure there's a pretty decent intersectin between porcine and avian vocalizations
2008-02-19 10:06 < Manetho_> pigs that whistle 'Slaughter on Tenth Avenue' or somethin would get it
2008-02-19 10:07 < uberpenguin> I want one
2008-02-19 10:07 < uberpenguin> I'll name it snowball
2008-02-19 10:07 < Manetho_> Snowball was trotsky wasn't he?
2008-02-19 10:08 < uberpenguin> most likely, yes
2008-02-19 10:08 < Manetho_> and Napoleaon Stalin.
2008-02-19 10:08 < uberpenguin> uh huh
2008-02-19 10:09 < Manetho_> bbiab
2008-02-19 10:09 < Backstretch> Manetho_: This bird could do it ... [[Superb Lyrebird]]
2008-02-19 10:10 < Backstretch> "extraordinary ability to accurately mimic sounds"
2008-02-19 10:11 < cimon> Hah, I have seen it all now!!!
2008-02-19 10:11 < Backstretch> You've seen an [[anal bleaching]]?
2008-02-19 10:11 < cimon> "Wikipedia Refuses To Remove Photo Of Prophet Mohammed"
2008-02-19 10:11 < Backstretch> Oh that thing.
2008-02-19 10:11 * Backstretch yawns :)
2008-02-19 10:11 < cimon> What, when did Muhammed live again=?
2008-02-19 10:12 < Backstretch> Don't you know they had cameras back then?
2008-02-19 10:12 < cimon> what kind of photo did they take of him? Instamatic, Kodachrome?
2008-02-19 10:12 < cimon> Daguerrotype?
2008-02-19 10:12 < Backstretch> Islamatic
2008-02-19 10:12 < Backstretch> I wonder if Simon and Garfunkel sang a song about it.
2008-02-19 10:15 < Backstretch> cimon: Perhaps you should write the journalist and say "Wikipedia does not have and has never had any photographs of the Prophet Mohammed"
2008-02-19 10:20 < cctoide> I was wondering what exactly Wikipedia loses by being boycotted
2008-02-19 10:24 < Mike_H> Reputation is a lot of it.
2008-02-19 10:24 < Mike_H> and market share.
2008-02-19 10:24 < Mike_H> market being people who would go to the site over others.
2008-02-19 10:25 < Golbez> We cannot force people to be openminded.
2008-02-19 10:25 < NotACow> Golbez: use a psychic crowbar!
2008-02-19 10:25 < Golbez> If they chose to close themselves off then so be it.
2008-02-19 10:26 < Golbez> choose rather
2008-02-19 10:27 < uberpenguin> fft... how can you boycott wikipedia when it dominates google results for just about everything?
2008-02-19 10:27 < uberpenguin> pisses me off
2008-02-19 10:27 < NotACow> uberpenguin: i still read it. i just don't trust it that much, and i don't edit it.
2008-02-19 10:27 < NotACow> uberpenguin: i figure i do then more damage by actually reading the site than i would by boycotting it
2008-02-19 10:27 < NotACow> uberpenguin: because by reading the site i expend their bandwidth, which means they have to spend money to show me the pages and such
2008-02-19 10:28 < NotACow> uberpenguin: by boycotting wikipedia you actually do them a favor
2008-02-19 10:28 < cctoide> That was what I was thinking about earlier
2008-02-19 10:28 < zocky> you'd need a path of crumbs to get a mouse through that maze of logic ;)
2008-02-19 10:28 < cctoide> Essentially "boycotting $language Wikipedia" = "boycotting $language Wikipedia's users"
2008-02-19 10:29 < NotACow> consume wikipedia, but don't contribute to it
2008-02-19 10:29 < NotACow> best way to kill it dead
2008-02-19 10:30 < uberpenguin> nah, it'll keep on chuggin'
2008-02-19 10:30 < NotACow> uberpenguin: like dmoz :)
2008-02-19 10:30 < uberpenguin> ya
2008-02-19 10:30 < uberpenguin> only wikipedia can kill itself
2008-02-19 10:30 < uberpenguin> and while it's doing a good job of it, that's a slow and drawn-out process
2008-02-19 10:32 < NotASpider> hehehe apparently guy chapman has an alternate account dedicated to removing cruft
2008-02-19 10:33 < NotASpider> which is funny because i have an alternate account dedicated to adding cruft
2008-02-19 10:33 < NotACow> NotASpider: cabal members don't have sockpuppets. they have alternate accounts.
2008-02-19 10:33 < NotACow> NotASpider: i doubt you'd find many people willing to recognize any of my other accounts as "alternate accounts"
2008-02-19 10:33 < NotACow> they're all sockpuppets.
2008-02-19 10:35 < NotASpider> tomayto/tomahto
2008-02-19 10:37 < faceface> what do you call an image composed of other images?
2008-02-19 10:37 < NotASpider> a "composite" image
2008-02-19 10:37 < faceface> like that big yoda head made up of scenes from starwars?
2008-02-19 10:37 < NotASpider> oh
2008-02-19 10:37 < faceface> trying to find details about these
2008-02-19 10:38 < faceface> I figure they have a neat name
2008-02-19 10:39 < NotACow> that's a mosaic composite
2008-02-19 10:39 < NotACow> there's one on wikimedia commons
2008-02-19 10:39 < NotACow> the wikimedia logo made up out of thumbnails of other images on commons
2008-02-19 10:39 < faceface> NotACow: cool!
2008-02-19 10:40 < NotACow> one of my contributions is part of it :)
2008-02-19 10:40 < faceface> yeah
2008-02-19 10:40 < faceface> how was it made?
2008-02-19 10:40 < faceface> Image:WikimediaMosaicCompositeCapture.jpg ?
2008-02-19 10:41 < NotACow> faceface: very tediously!
2008-02-19 10:41 < faceface> I am looking for a tool to create these kinds of images
2008-02-19 10:41 < NotASpider> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_mosaic
2008-02-19 10:41 < faceface> I know the 'nice looking' ones are actually 'fake' - not like this crude real one
2008-02-19 10:41 < faceface> great!
2008-02-19 10:42 < NotASpider> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_photographic_mosaic_software
2008-02-19 10:42 < faceface> :D
2008-02-19 10:42 < NotASpider> get it quick before "cruftbane" sends it to afd
2008-02-19 10:43 < faceface> afd?
2008-02-19 10:43 < faceface> sounds like some rules
2008-02-19 10:45 < faceface> thanks for help 'photomosaic' was unlikely to be found by my brain
2008-02-19 10:46 < NotASpider> see if i had a deletionism-sock it would be considered a "bad hand" account. hell i'd consider it that.
2008-02-19 10:46 < NotASpider> but it's okay for JzG because it's only a slight exaggeration of his usual self.
2008-02-19 10:48 < NotACow> NotASpider: besides, JzG is in the inner cabal, which means he can do whatever he wants without it being a rule violation
2008-02-19 10:49 < NotACow> NotASpider: i have contemplated creating a pair of socks, one that votes to delete everything, one that votes to keep everything.
2008-02-19 10:49 < NotACow> NotASpider: the main reason i don't do this is it would be timeconsuming to do
2008-02-19 10:49 < dystopianray> When specifying album lengths that are longer than one hour is it prerabble to an H:MM:SS format or to keep it as MMM:SS ?
2008-02-19 10:49 < NotACow> NotASpider: and i have better things to do with my life than disrupt wikipedia.
2008-02-19 10:49 < NotASpider> just to see which one gets elected to arbcom and which one gets banned
2008-02-19 10:50 < NotACow> NotASpider: i could end up friends and enemies with everyone on wikipedia :)
2008-02-19 10:50 < NotACow> NotASpider: if i ever win the lottery, wikiepdia is in SO much trouble.
2008-02-19 10:51 < NotASpider> dystopian i would prefer keeping it in minutes. i have no idea whether the rules say, if there are any
2008-02-19 10:51 < NotACow> dystopianray: do whatever you think is best.
2008-02-19 10:51 < NotACow> dystopianray: someone will object to it no matter what you do, so it doesn't matter
2008-02-19 10:52 < dystopianray> NotACow: ok then
2008-02-19 10:52 < NotACow> dystopianray: i would not express the time in microfortnights, however.
2008-02-19 10:52 < NotACow> even though everyone knows that microfortnights are the proper unit for expressing time.
2008-02-19 10:53 < NotACow> NOW JUST HOLD ON A MICROFORTNIGHT!
2008-02-19 10:54 < dystopianray> no way, everyone knows that megaplancks are the real proper time unit
2008-02-19 11:02 * DiGitalX is away due to: brb
2008-02-19 11:04 < DannyLilithborne> [[DJ Ryan]]
2008-02-19 11:04 < DannyLilithborne> disgusting
2008-02-19 11:09 < dystopianray> are people allowd to run automatic scritps that change articles, even if the changes are benficial?
2008-02-19 11:09 < NotASpider> happens all the time
2008-02-19 11:09 < uberpenguin> dystopianray: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bot_policy
2008-02-19 11:10 < NotASpider> what did you have in mind?
2008-02-19 11:10 < dystopianray> nothing at the moment I just thought of bots
2008-02-19 11:10 < dystopianray> I recalled that hilarious incident where 'on wheels' was being added to article titles
2008-02-19 11:11 < NotASpider> har har
2008-02-19 11:11 < DannyLilithborne> hilarity.
2008-02-19 11:12 < NotACow> harkality.
2008-02-19 11:12 < Demi> yeah, i remember that one time, those were the days
2008-02-19 11:13 * NotACow suspects there are a lot of automated editors that are not compliant with the bot policy :)
2008-02-19 11:13 < dystopianray> does wikipedia ever do april fools jokes?
2008-02-19 11:13 < NotASpider> once upon a time when we had a sense of humor
2008-02-19 11:14 < Demi> the best kinds of controls for a game like wikipedia are MUSH-style cost controls and throttles, but we really don't have any
2008-02-19 11:14 < NotACow> dystopianray: yes, but doing so is very controversial these days
2008-02-19 11:14 < uberpenguin> the internet is serious business
2008-02-19 11:14 < Demi> yes, and this encyclopedia is humanity's Greatest Working
2008-02-19 11:14 < NotACow> dystopianray: i don't think any were done in 2007, and the ones done in 2006 were very poorly received by the community
2008-02-19 11:14 < NotACow> dystopianray: the 2005 ones were funny.
2008-02-19 11:14 < dystopianray> NotACow: What were they? is there a list?
2008-02-19 11:14 < NotACow> the wikiepdia community has a giant stick up its ass now.
2008-02-19 11:15 < NotACow> dystopianray: there was a list, but it was deleted.
2008-02-19 11:15 < Demi> 2006 proved that people are childish and don't know when to stop, so the toy was taken away
2008-02-19 11:15 < dystopianray> what happeend in 2006?
2008-02-19 11:16 < Demi> a few admins showed their inability to distinguish the witty from the witless
2008-02-19 11:16 < uberpenguin> NotACow: that's because it does a good job of running off people with a sense of humor
2008-02-19 11:17 < dystopianray> on articles about music box sets, should the length of the whole set be listed?
2008-02-19 11:19 < Leslie_S> hey.
2008-02-19 11:19 < Demi> you mean like if each music box is 6 inches wide, should you list the width if they are placed end-to-end?
2008-02-19 11:19 < Leslie_S> why the hell was i banned earlier?
2008-02-19 11:19 < Demi> i wasn't aware of any sets of music boxes, anyway, so i don't know
2008-02-19 11:19 < Demi> see what the other antique articles do
2008-02-19 11:19 < NotACow> dystopianray: wikipedia was overrun by autistic twits.
2008-02-19 11:20 < NotACow> dystopianray: basically wikipedia became popular with the socially clueless underclass that turns to the internet because it has nothing better to do.
2008-02-19 11:20 < dystopianray> Demi: No I mean the total length of time of the included music
2008-02-19 11:20 < Leslie_S> NotACow and thats such a bad thing if they have something good to contribute?
2008-02-19 11:20 < dystopianray> NotACow: like people from 4chan?
2008-02-19 11:21 < NotACow> Leslie_S: if only they had something good to contribute!
2008-02-19 11:21 < Leslie_S> NotACow maybe some of them do and theyre just the ones you dont notice?
2008-02-19 11:21 < NotACow> dystopianray: i'm sure there's a goodly chunk of those in there
2008-02-19 11:21 < quanticle> NotACow: Really? I thought that was more 4Chan/SomethinAwful/Fark
2008-02-19 11:21 < NotACow> Leslie_S: quite possibly!
2008-02-19 11:21 < NotACow> quanticle: there's quite a lot of them in wikipedia too
2008-02-19 11:21 < Leslie_S> NotACow think my job will say anything if i wear lipgloss?
2008-02-19 11:21 < NotACow> quanticle: the ones who came to wikipedia re the ones who can't figure out how to play in 4chan or fark.
2008-02-19 11:21 < quanticle> NotACow: True. There's nothing to indicate that the sets are disjoint...
2008-02-19 11:22 < NotACow> Leslie_S: they might if it's bright blue.
2008-02-19 11:22 < Leslie_S> NotACow clear
2008-02-19 11:22 < Demi> quanticle - i would include slashdot and wikipedia in that same slashed continuum
2008-02-19 11:22 < NotACow> Leslie_S: i doubt they'll care.
2008-02-19 11:22 < Leslie_S> How did they find such a big group of IDIOTS to make up the 4chan community?
2008-02-19 11:22 < Leslie_S> Or does 4chan CAUSE these people to be idiots?
2008-02-19 11:22 < NotASpider> adaptation.
2008-02-19 11:22 < NotACow> Leslie_S: i think they advertise in video game magazines
2008-02-19 11:22 < quanticle> Demi: Heh. I was a Slashdotter long before I became a Wikipedian...
2008-02-19 11:22 < Leslie_S> NotACow oh, ok.
2008-02-19 11:22 < Demi> quanticle - me too
2008-02-19 11:23 < NotACow> quanticle: i quit slashdot in 1998 :)
2008-02-19 11:23 < NotACow> somewhere i have an email from malda that explains why i quit
2008-02-19 11:23 < quanticle> Leslie_S: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
2008-02-19 11:23 < Leslie_S> NotACow lol, theres these people at my school who skip classes to play magic in the cafe at school. theyre all totally antisocial. and refuse to admit it.
2008-02-19 11:23 < NotACow> Leslie_S: they're not antisocial. they're differently social!
2008-02-19 11:23 < Leslie_S> anti.
2008-02-19 11:23 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Wait, if they're anti-social, wouldn't they be alone?
2008-02-19 11:24 < NotASpider> word
2008-02-19 11:24 < NotACow> iff they're playing magic, they're engaging n a social activity.
2008-02-19 11:24 < Leslie_S> quanticle thats the only social activity they *do*
2008-02-19 11:24 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Perhaps they're just forming a different society...
2008-02-19 11:24 < NotASpider> a cabal
2008-02-19 11:24 < Leslie_S> personally i think theyre dumbasses
2008-02-19 11:24 < Demi> i used to play RPGs with a group of friends in college, it was definitely social
2008-02-19 11:24 < Leslie_S> who the hell pays to go to classes and then skips them?
2008-02-19 11:24 < NotACow> Leslie_S: i used to
2008-02-19 11:24 < Sfan00> !admin inappropriate image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Willa-Ford-4.jpg
2008-02-19 11:25 < quanticle> Leslie_S: I do, if the class is going to be boring...
2008-02-19 11:25 < Leslie_S> there was one guy in one of my classes that would rather sleep in his car in the parking lot than come to class.
2008-02-19 11:25 < Leslie_S> quanticle then why sign up?
2008-02-19 11:25 < quanticle> Leslie_S: I need the degree...
2008-02-19 11:25 < Demi> yeah, i've done that before, several times; though i never skipped classes to play games with others, i only skipped classes to spend time on the internet
2008-02-19 11:25 < NotACow> there were more than a few classes where i only went to a half dozen sessions or so and still got As
2008-02-19 11:25 < Leslie_S> quanticle most of these classes base a good deal of your grade on participation.
2008-02-19 11:25 < quanticle> Leslie_S: And its a bullshit lib. ed. requirement
2008-02-19 11:25 < quanticle> Leslie_S: I'm talking about my intro to biology class.
2008-02-19 11:26 < Leslie_S> quanticle biology is cool. i dont see why youd want to skip it.
2008-02-19 11:26 < quanticle> Leslie_S: No participatory grade, and if you didn't sleep through high-school bio. you'd ace the tests.
2008-02-19 11:26 < NotASpy> Sfan00: O.O
2008-02-19 11:26 < Leslie_S> now, i skipped one class. english comp.
2008-02-19 11:26 < NotACow> my symbolic logic and reasoning class was structured that you could just take the tests and get an A
2008-02-19 11:26 < dystopianray> I skipped classes to sleep and still got HDs for not attending any lectures
2008-02-19 11:26 < NotACow> so that's what i did
2008-02-19 11:26 < Leslie_S> a THREE HOUR ENGLISH COMP CLASS
2008-02-19 11:26 < Leslie_S> you can imagine why i would skip it
2008-02-19 11:26 < Sfan00> NotASpy; It's inappropriate
2008-02-19 11:26 < Demi> i got an A- in Drama, a B- in Environmental Law and an A- in Oceanography, despite missing the second half of the classes
2008-02-19 11:26 < Sfan00> NO license, No Rationale
2008-02-19 11:26 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Not everyone shares your interest for biology
2008-02-19 11:26 < Demi> on the other hand, there were other classes where i did worse
2008-02-19 11:27 < NotACow> i pay for a membership in the Chicago Woodturner's Association, and yet i skip meetings
2008-02-19 11:27 < Demi> however, i never intended to miss classes when i signed up for them
2008-02-19 11:27 < NotACow> am i bad?
2008-02-19 11:27 < quanticle> Demi: I've actually had classes where I did worse after going to lecture...
2008-02-19 11:27 < NotACow> quanticle: ugh, i had one of those
2008-02-19 11:27 < NotACow> quanticle: intro to data structures
2008-02-19 11:27 < Demi> i have issues with following through with things, and issues with dealing with problems early rather than putting my head in the sand and ignoring them until they get awful
2008-02-19 11:27 < NotACow> quanticle: the instructor was french
2008-02-19 11:28 < Demi> it turned out to be a very good thing for me to get married
2008-02-19 11:28 < NotACow> quanticle: she lectured very fast, and would sometimes slip into french
2008-02-19 11:28 < dystopianray> if a box set has almost 3200 minutes of musix, do you think it should be converted into hours?
2008-02-19 11:28 < Demi> NotACow - the french have really cute pronunciations for things like "database"
2008-02-19 11:28 < quanticle> NotACow: My intro to symbolic logic class was taught by a fresh-off-the-boat Korean. The dude was a genius, but you practically had to speak korean to understand him.
2008-02-19 11:28 < NotACow> quanticle: going to class didn't impart any useful informatoin and often left one with a headache. it was easier to just get the assignments from the mailing list.
2008-02-19 11:28 < Leslie_S> anyway, i failed the class because i procrastinated on papers.
2008-02-19 11:29 < Demi> quanticle - i don't think i've had that experience, but i wouldn't necessarily know because when i started classes i *really* missed them (like, a half-quarter at a time)
2008-02-19 11:29 < NotACow> we didn't have a class website as this was before the web existed.
2008-02-19 11:29 < Demi> i think Drama, at least, was neutral, that is, i wouldn't have done any better or learned any more by going
2008-02-19 11:29 < Demi> (that is, drama history)
2008-02-19 11:29 < quanticle> NotACow: Heh. Yeah, I did the same thing. And, because the teacher allowed you to e-mail your assignments in, I officially had no reason to ever go.
2008-02-19 11:29 < Leslie_S> My drama class requires attendance. because we do a class project where it hurts others to not attend.
2008-02-19 11:29 < NotACow> quanticle: most of my instructors didn't give a shit if you went to class.
2008-02-19 11:30 < Demi> here's something: the oceanography class i took was a GE oceanography class; i can't remember why i had to take it but it was popular. not only did i skip class, i was the paid notetaker for the class and faked the notes!
2008-02-19 11:30 < quanticle> Demi: Heh. One of my friends only attended three of his Operating Systems lectures, and aced the class. The three lectures that he did attend were the midterms and the final.
2008-02-19 11:30 < quanticle> NotACow: Same here.
2008-02-19 11:30 < Leslie_S> Demi LOL
2008-02-19 11:31 < Demi> i would say that on the whole i regret missing so many classes--it led to issues delaying my graduation and i probably would have got more out of school, on the whole, if i'd gone
2008-02-19 11:31 < Leslie_S> my english 101 teacher is a nutjob
2008-02-19 11:31 < NotACow> quanticle: i did the same for astronomy
2008-02-19 11:31 < Demi> that oceanography instructor was pretty interesting, for example, he told good stories
2008-02-19 11:31 < Leslie_S> she wont allow emailed assignments because of procrastinators
2008-02-19 11:31 < Leslie_S> wtf
2008-02-19 11:31 < NotACow> quanticle: the midterms and the final.
2008-02-19 11:32 < Leslie_S> Demi see, i go to LEARN
2008-02-19 11:32 < Demi> i could get a lot out of school if i went *now*; going in my teens and twenties was such a waste
2008-02-19 11:32 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Huh? How does that work? E-mails are timestamped, so she can tell who e-mailed before class or after class.
2008-02-19 11:32 < Sfan00> Demi: Nothing stoppinf you takin evening courses :)
2008-02-19 11:32 < Leslie_S> quanticle i dunno
2008-02-19 11:32 < Demi> Sfan00 - in general, my time commitments are what stops me; but i do, sometimes
2008-02-19 11:32 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Learning?! At school? Don't make me laugh... :)
2008-02-19 11:33 < quanticle> I don't think I learned a single useful thing in school for the first 14 years of my life
2008-02-19 11:33 < Sfan00> Schools in America teach people to be Good Americans
2008-02-19 11:33 < dystopianray> excellent I wrotea perl script to find the sum of track durations in a list of album tracks
2008-02-19 11:33 < Demi> the kinds of things they offer around a work schedule are pretty basic, so if you want to learn to cook or play the guitar or (occasionally) speak french, it's good
2008-02-19 11:33 < Sfan00> They don't teach ;)
2008-02-19 11:33 < quanticle> I'm only now starting to find interesting things, now that I'm in the last two years of undegrad...
2008-02-19 11:33 < Demi> Sfan00 - is that based on your extensive experience with education in the u.s.?
2008-02-19 11:33 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 not college.
2008-02-19 11:33 < NotACow> Demi: i'm seriously considering going back to school when my kids are off to college.
2008-02-19 11:33 < Sfan00> It's a joke :)
2008-02-19 11:33 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 ive learned a lot in college.
2008-02-19 11:33 < Sfan00> And I don't mean colleges
2008-02-19 11:34 < Leslie_S> and i learn a lot at walmart...about how evil walmart is...
2008-02-19 11:34 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Even college. I basically coasted through my first two years at university.
2008-02-19 11:34 < Demi> quality of education varies a lot more in the u.s. than it does elsewhere, i think
2008-02-19 11:34 < Sfan00> Someone was syaing that They had some German Exchange students over on a course
2008-02-19 11:34 < quanticle> Demi: The quality of a lot of things varies more in the US than in other countries.
2008-02-19 11:34 < Demi> and a lot of it is pretty pointless; but it's hard to compare u.s. education with systems in other countries
2008-02-19 11:34 < Sfan00> And the level of academic effort they put in compared to the Americans was suprising
2008-02-19 11:34 < Leslie_S> walmart is totally crazy
2008-02-19 11:34 < dystopianray> is american college the equivalent of a university in other countries?
2008-02-19 11:34 < Demi> quanticle - yeah, but education to even a greater degree, because it really does have a lot of local control
2008-02-19 11:34 < Leslie_S> they cut our hours and then expect us to get the same amount of work done in less time
2008-02-19 11:35 < Sfan00> Well supposedly
2008-02-19 11:35 < quanticle> Demi: Yeah.
2008-02-19 11:35 < Sfan00> Although some say UK Universities and German ones teach to far higher level
2008-02-19 11:35 * quanticle is skipping work to ostensibly study for a test today.
2008-02-19 11:35 < quanticle> And what am I doing? IRC.
2008-02-19 11:35 < Sfan00> Some unkindly said US college was like an A-Level course here
2008-02-19 11:35 < Sfan00> :(
2008-02-19 11:35 < Demi> dystopianray - in the u.s. "college" includes many meanings, it usually just means any liberal post-secondary education
2008-02-19 11:36 < Sfan00> (before A Levles were downgraded of course)
2008-02-19 11:36 < Demi> so it ranges from two-year colleges that issue associate degrees, to universities
2008-02-19 11:36 < dystopianray> Demi: oh i see
2008-02-19 11:36 < Demi> and we also use it in the traditional sense of a subdivision of a university
2008-02-19 11:36 < quanticle> Sfan00: Well, it depends on the college. If you go to MIT, I think it'll be a bit different than if you go to Podunk State...
2008-02-19 11:36 < Sfan00> True
2008-02-19 11:36 < NotACow> in order to he a "university" you have to have at least one college that grants quaternary degrees.
2008-02-19 11:36 < Demi> so for example, i attended the college of letters and science at the university of california at davis
2008-02-19 11:36 < Sfan00> Same is true in the UK - You don't goto Thames Valley or Paisley to learn stuff i'm told
2008-02-19 11:37 < quanticle> Sfan00: That gets back to what Demi was saying about the quality of education varying...
2008-02-19 11:37 < dystopianray> NotACow: quaternary?
2008-02-19 11:37 < quanticle> dystopianray: 4 year
2008-02-19 11:37 < Demi> but i'd refer to the general experience of having attended community college and the university as "going to college"
2008-02-19 11:37 < NotACow> dystopianray: degrees past the baccalaureate
2008-02-19 11:37 < Sfan00> quanticle: 4 years? Isn't that Scotland?
2008-02-19 11:37 < NotACow> dystopianray: masters, doctorate, or professional
2008-02-19 11:37 < Leslie_S> wtf is with associates degrees anyway? i thought 2 years got you a bachelors?
2008-02-19 11:37 < Demi> Leslie_S - no, a bachelor's degree is a four-year degree
2008-02-19 11:37 < NotACow> Leslie_S: two years gets you an associates. bachelors is four.
2008-02-19 11:37 < quanticle> NotACow: Oh. I was thinking of something completely different.
2008-02-19 11:37 < Sfan00> A Bacholers is normaly a 3 year course in the UK
2008-02-19 11:38 < NotACow> you can do a bachelors in three, but you will have to really work hard.
2008-02-19 11:38 < Demi> associates degrees are useful in some fields like nursing and so forth
2008-02-19 11:38 < quanticle> Sfan00: Really? Its a 4 year course here.
2008-02-19 11:38 < Sfan00> Unless you are at oxford where you get a Masters merley for doing 4 years study
2008-02-19 11:38 < NotACow> and some schools require 7 semesters of residence
2008-02-19 11:38 < Leslie_S> NotACow i cant even do an associates in two, due to work. :(
2008-02-19 11:38 < Sfan00> Albiet one that's specfic to Oxford
2008-02-19 11:38 < Sfan00> :(
2008-02-19 11:38 < NotACow> there are some 5 and 6 years BS/MS degree programs
2008-02-19 11:38 < quanticle> Sfan00: Yeah, but isn't Oxford a rather prestigious university that's difficult to get into?
2008-02-19 11:38 * DiGitalX is back after 36mins 1sec
2008-02-19 11:38 < NotASpider> could be a symptom of invariably deficient high schools in the u.s.
2008-02-19 11:39 < Leslie_S> i still wanna go to university of alaska
2008-02-19 11:39 < NotACow> NotASpider: i suspect so
2008-02-19 11:39 < Sfan00> quanticle: Not if daddy knows the Chancellor ....
2008-02-19 11:39 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-19 11:39 < quanticle> NotASpider: True that...
2008-02-19 11:39 < NotACow> NotASpider: the first year of most bachelors programs is spent mopping up
2008-02-19 11:39 < Sfan00> quanticle: Yeah but in general
2008-02-19 11:39 < Sfan00> Oxford is HARD
2008-02-19 11:39 < quanticle> Sfan00: So its rather like Harvard or Yale over here. Most people need extraordinarily high marks, but if you come from the right family, acceptance is practically guaranteed...
2008-02-19 11:39 < Sfan00> Or the right school
2008-02-19 11:40 < quanticle> Right
2008-02-19 11:40 < Sfan00> There was a fuss about Oxford discriminiating against state schools, which is a myth
2008-02-19 11:40 < Leslie_S> oh, hey...so i was wanting to take a computer programming class at my college.
2008-02-19 11:40 < Sfan00> I do get annoyed with the 'fake' universities though
2008-02-19 11:40 < NotACow> harvard has a special program for people with less than stellar grades
2008-02-19 11:40 < Leslie_S> would they be likely to let me sit in on a class to see if it's advanced enough for me?
2008-02-19 11:41 < NotACow> they discovered that having underperformers reduces suicide rates
2008-02-19 11:41 < Sfan00> Leslie_S: Possibly
2008-02-19 11:41 < Sfan00> Speak to the lecturer
2008-02-19 11:41 < Leslie_S> NotACow LOL. do i qualify with my 0.5 GPA?
2008-02-19 11:41 < Demi> high schools in the u.s. are supposed to educate everyone, that's not how it works in britain
2008-02-19 11:41 < NotACow> having a few students in each class that suck but don't mind that they suck helps to keep the not quite so good students who have a need to be good from feeling that they're total scuz and killing themselves
2008-02-19 11:41 < quanticle> NotACow: Right, because having all smart people means that some of them will be getting C's for the first time in their life...
2008-02-19 11:41 < Sfan00> The UK has less ''offical' slection than it used to
2008-02-19 11:42 < NotACow> quanticle: right. having a few dumbies in the class gives them someone to feel better than.
2008-02-19 11:42 < Sfan00> A lot fo areas are trying to be comprhensive
2008-02-19 11:42 < quanticle> NotACow: Heh. Perhaps I should've applied to Harvard...
2008-02-19 11:42 < Sfan00> (but in practice this means the school chooses 'better' pupils)
2008-02-19 11:42 < NotASpy> don't get me wrong, in some areas, Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh and St Andrews are good, but there's lots of other universities that are more suitable for lots of students.
2008-02-19 11:42 < Demi> for the most part it's compulsory until age 18, which is one reason it's hard to compare the quality of secondary education with another system like the UK's
2008-02-19 11:42 < NotACow> so harvard deliberately recruits a smallish number of students who are not necessarily likely to have good grades but who have demonstrated that they will stick to it through thich and thin
2008-02-19 11:43 < NotACow> these recruits tend to come from underprivileged backgrounds
2008-02-19 11:43 < Sfan00> Demi: US education is compulsory to 18?
2008-02-19 11:43 < quanticle> NotACow: I wonder how they determine that...
2008-02-19 11:43 < Demi> Sfan00 - usually
2008-02-19 11:43 < Sfan00> Hmm
2008-02-19 11:43 < NotASpider> leslie_s i spent a year at UAF. FCYTravis is studying there now if you want to meet him.
2008-02-19 11:43 < NotACow> Sfan00: age varies by state
2008-02-19 11:43 < NotACow> Sfan00: typically 14 to 16
2008-02-19 11:43 < Sfan00> UK School Leaving age was 16
2008-02-19 11:43 < Demi> yes
2008-02-19 11:43 < NotACow> quanticle: application essays and letters of recommendation, along with a comparison of achievement testing and transcripts
2008-02-19 11:43 < Sfan00> I think they recently raised it to encourage people to take up approrpiate courses or training ( i.e fiddle the unemployment figures)
2008-02-19 11:43 < Leslie_S> NotACow st andrews? heh, we have a university near here with a similar name. in a small seventh day adventist city, where NOTHING is open on saturdays except big box stores (and im pretty sure when i say big box, i just mean autozone)
2008-02-19 11:44 < Sfan00> I don't mind ther ebeing minor universities
2008-02-19 11:44 < Sfan00> but it's the fake ones that make my blood boil
2008-02-19 11:44 < Sfan00> (The ones that seel degrees via spam e-mail)
2008-02-19 11:44 < NotASpy> Leslie_S: it's the oldest University in Scotland, generally regarded as being as prestigious as Oxford and Cambridge, but without the God complex.
2008-02-19 11:44 < Leslie_S> NotASpider i wanted to go to UAS but was fucked on a lack of financial aid. they wanted me to get like 16,000 per semester in loans.
2008-02-19 11:44 < Sfan00> *sell
2008-02-19 11:44 < Leslie_S> NotACow ;/
2008-02-19 11:44 < NotACow> Damnation University is one of my favorite fake universities
2008-02-19 11:44 < NotACow> they're in Hell, Michigan
2008-02-19 11:44 < Leslie_S> NotACow <3
2008-02-19 11:45 < Leslie_S> NotACow ive heard of them.
2008-02-19 11:45 < Leslie_S> anyway, bbl. gonna take a shower. :o
2008-02-19 11:45 < Sfan00> Well I toyed with the idea of printing myself a fake degree from Blackfriars University, London
2008-02-19 11:45 < NotASpider> Hard Knox Community College
2008-02-19 11:45 < Demi> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0112617.html
2008-02-19 11:45 < Leslie_S> and go to work soon after
2008-02-19 11:45 < Sfan00> (which doesn't exist)
2008-02-19 11:45 < quanticle> NotACow: Huh. I'm really regretting not applying to Harvard, then. I was well-liked by most of the teachers at my high school, and, though my grades weren't stellar, I took advanced courses and did well on standardized test...
2008-02-19 11:46 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 you can get really nice official looking certificate blanks for that...
2008-02-19 11:46 < Sfan00> Yeah
2008-02-19 11:46 < dystopianray> do any of you know how australian universities compare to american college?
2008-02-19 11:46 < NotASpy> personally, I would recommend finding out which university is the most highly regarded university in the field you want to study, and head off there instead of a generally well regarded university.
2008-02-19 11:46 < NotACow> quanticle: one o the things they look for is students whose standardized test performance is consistent with their grades
2008-02-19 11:46 < Sfan00> What I'd really like is one signed by Jimbo from Wikiversity eventually ; )
2008-02-19 11:46 < NotACow> quanticle: students whose test performance outshine their grades are likely to be slackers, and that's exactly what they do not want in these slots
2008-02-19 11:47 < quanticle> Damn.
2008-02-19 11:47 < NotACow> quanticle: they want people who work their asses off to get Cs, and are happy with that
2008-02-19 11:47 < Demi> quanticle - if you wanted to go there, you probably should have applied
2008-02-19 11:47 < Sfan00> So has anyone here heard of Windsor University, or Bushey Masonic?
2008-02-19 11:47 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-19 11:47 < Leslie_S> NotACow is there any way to go there without the loans?
2008-02-19 11:48 < Leslie_S> er, i mean NotASpider
2008-02-19 11:48 < NotACow> Leslie_S: grants
2008-02-19 11:48 < Leslie_S> NotACow im only elgible for 4000/year.
2008-02-19 11:48 < NotASpider> or win the lottery
2008-02-19 11:48 < Demi> rich people and poor people can go to expensive schools
2008-02-19 11:48 < Leslie_S> anyway, i couldnt even fucking have a job and make enough money to go there
2008-02-19 11:48 < Demi> if you're middlin' a good public university is probably your best bet
2008-02-19 11:48 < Leslie_S> and its not like its that great of a school
2008-02-19 11:48 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-02-19 11:49 < Sfan00> Getting grants in the US is easy if you are a Black Lesbian Single mother in a wheelchair ...probably not if you are White....
2008-02-19 11:49 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-19 11:49 < Leslie_S> actually, wait, it was $16000 a year, not a semester.
2008-02-19 11:49 < Leslie_S> i could BARELY work a job and make enough to go.
2008-02-19 11:49 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 i have a pell grant.
2008-02-19 11:49 < NotACow> i rececntly paid my loans down to below the original loan amount.
2008-02-19 11:49 < Leslie_S> anyway, shower. :P
2008-02-19 11:49 < Demi> you get out of a university what you put into it, if you go somewhere that attracts stellar faculty, you can get a lot out of it, regardless of what you think the quality of the coursework is like
2008-02-19 11:49 < NotASpider> wal-mart won't cover that
2008-02-19 11:49 < Leslie_S> NotASpider im going to work at walmart until i get my 6 months in and then get out FAST.
2008-02-19 11:49 < Leslie_S> NotASpider i have a month left on that.
2008-02-19 11:50 < Sfan00> Leslie_S: Had a worksplace accident yet?
2008-02-19 11:50 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 not exactly.
2008-02-19 11:50 < Sfan00> OK
2008-02-19 11:50 < NotASpider> beware of pallet jacks c.c
2008-02-19 11:50 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 i nearly fell off a ladder because my feet are a little too big once
2008-02-19 11:50 < quanticle> Leslie_S: What happens after 6 months?
2008-02-19 11:50 < dystopianray> apparently walmart take out life insurance on employees so if they die walmart gets paid for it
2008-02-19 11:50 < Sfan00> :O
2008-02-19 11:51 < Leslie_S> quanticle after 6 months ive been there long enough that i still have a reasonably stable job history.
2008-02-19 11:51 < Demi> they also infect their workers with mind-controlling brain nematodes
2008-02-19 11:51 < Leslie_S> and apparently i got my 6 months in 5 days ago. nice.
2008-02-19 11:51 < Sfan00> Apparently I was reading somewhere that workplace accidents are now a profitable business for some people :(
2008-02-19 11:51 < Leslie_S> Demi i havent been affected!
2008-02-19 11:51 < Sfan00> Sadly thought not for those that have them
2008-02-19 11:51 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 walmart nearly fired my friend for having a workplace accident
2008-02-19 11:51 < Demi> Sfan00 - gremlins
2008-02-19 11:51 < Sfan00> Demi:?
2008-02-19 11:51 < quanticle> dystopianray: More like they have hush money for the family if the employee dies. I don't the think the insurance companies are going to let Walmart get away with paying in less than it takes out.
2008-02-19 11:52 < NotACow> quanticle: sure they will
2008-02-19 11:52 < Sfan00> quanticle: Isn't in fight club? The speech about recalls?
2008-02-19 11:52 < Sfan00> If the cost of setlling a few suiots is less than the cost of the recall....
2008-02-19 11:52 < NotACow> quanticle: the policy is to cover their anticipated litigation expenses, plus the cost of replacing the employee. they're not even remotely interested in giving any of that money to the employee's estate.
2008-02-19 11:53 < NotACow> quanticle: insurance companies don't give a shit why you want the policy. all you have to do is show that you have a "material interest" in the event to be insured against, and they'll issue.
2008-02-19 11:53 < Sfan00> Yeah, but do they pay out?
2008-02-19 11:53 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-19 11:53 < NotACow> Sfan00: not if they can help it1
2008-02-19 11:54 < Sfan00> Insurance fraud is also profitable for some and insurers get wise to it
2008-02-19 11:54 < NotASpider> "plus the cost of replacing the employee" for wal-mart this is negligible
2008-02-19 11:54 < NotACow> NotASpider: it's still a cost
2008-02-19 11:54 < Sfan00> Employee 123456789 Winston Smith's?
2008-02-19 11:54 < NotACow> dystopianray: also, the law requires that EVERY employer take out an insurance policy on EVERY ONE of its employees.
2008-02-19 11:55 < NotACow> dystopianray: it's called "workman's compensation"
2008-02-19 11:55 < NotASpider> "sam walton is watching you"
2008-02-19 11:55 < Sfan00> NotACow: Libality Insurance?
2008-02-19 11:55 < Demi> there's a cost associated with replacing any employee
2008-02-19 11:55 < dystopianray> NotACow: life insurance?
2008-02-19 11:55 < quanticle> NotACow: Right. I'm saying that Walmart doesn't profit from the insurance, no that they don't get paid.
2008-02-19 11:55 < NotACow> dystopianray: the policy includes compensation in the event the employee dies.
2008-02-19 11:55 < NotACow> quanticle: they probably do not profit, but they probably do meet costs.
2008-02-19 11:56 < NotACow> dystopianray: workman's comp pays the employee or the employee's estate, however.
2008-02-19 11:56 < Demi> you can just think of other employees doing the same thing, except their insurance is self-funded
2008-02-19 11:56 < Demi> er "employers"
2008-02-19 11:56 * gurch huggles NotACow
2008-02-19 11:56 * gurch huggles Demi
2008-02-19 11:56 < NotACow> most employers use the state program, but larger employers, such as walmart, often self-fund their workman's comp
2008-02-19 11:56 < Sfan00> Do UK firms take out insurance for 'workers comp'?
2008-02-19 11:57 < NotACow> so you take out a bulk policy with a reinsurer that pays you if your workman's comp exceeds so much in a given time fram
2008-02-19 11:57 < Sfan00> Or is it asusmed that that is what they pay HMRC?
2008-02-19 11:57 < Sfan00> (in National Insurance contribs)
2008-02-19 11:57 < NotACow> Sfan00: i think that is covered under the nationalized health care
2008-02-19 11:57 < NotACow> gurchie!
2008-02-19 11:57 < Sfan00> There were mummerigns about getting large firms to pay more into the general NI pot though
2008-02-19 11:57 < quanticle> Hi gurch!
2008-02-19 11:58 < NotACow> dystopianray: so really what i think you've been told is technically true, but not evidence of particular evil by walmart.
2008-02-19 11:58 < Sfan00> especiall firms noted for being 'risky' industries
2008-02-19 11:58 < quanticle> Sfan00: Like mining, construction, and the like?
2008-02-19 11:58 < NotACow> dystopianray: just a consequence of being a large employer making fiscally prudent decisions
2008-02-19 11:58 < Sfan00> Yeah
2008-02-19 11:58 * gurch huggles quanticle
2008-02-19 11:58 * gurch dnies being a gurchie
2008-02-19 11:58 < gurch> denies, also
2008-02-19 11:59 < Sfan00> There was also talk about billing frims the cost of accidents arising ought of Health and Sfatey breaches
2008-02-19 11:59 < Sfan00> Which has got some frims absolutely paranoid about H&S which isn't needed
2008-02-19 11:59 < NotACow> i know a few businesses who do their healthcare by setting up a fund with a fixed amount of cash, and buying a general liability policy that pays out anything that exceeds that amount
2008-02-19 11:59 < Sfan00> Like not letting people go up ladders
2008-02-19 11:59 < Sfan00> :O
2008-02-19 11:59 < NotACow> so they'd put $5,000,000 in a fund at the start of the year
2008-02-19 11:59 < dystopianray> could wikipedia get insured against vandalism?
2008-02-19 12:00 < NotACow> and if the fund paid out more than that before the end, the insurance company would pay into the fund.
2008-02-19 12:00 < Sfan00> To change light bulbs in a hall to some people know needs a properly secured scafollding tower :O
2008-02-19 12:00 < NotACow> if they came in under $5,000,000, they'd get back whatever was in the fund
2008-02-19 12:00 < NotASpider> lloyd's of london wouldn't touch that question
2008-02-19 12:00 < quanticle> dystopianray: No insurance company would take that bet...
2008-02-19 12:00 < Sfan00> dystopianray: Insuring data is more complex than insuring for injury
2008-02-19 12:01 < NotACow> dystopianray: how would such a policy work?
2008-02-19 12:01 < aimaz> dystopianray: sounds like a good prank phone call
2008-02-19 12:01 < Sfan00> I think some banks have insurance for cracks
2008-02-19 12:01 < NotACow> dystopianray: you'd have to have measurable damages
2008-02-19 12:01 < NotACow> Sfan00: arthur clarke took ouot a policy against the discovery of extraterrestrial life once
2008-02-19 12:01 < NotASpider> hehehe aimaz
2008-02-19 12:01 < Demi> NotACow - what my employer has done with our health insurance is irritating and cumbersome
2008-02-19 12:01 < NotACow> or was that stanley kubrik? i forget.
2008-02-19 12:01 < Sfan00> NotACow: Don't banks have specalised insurance for Data protection ?
2008-02-19 12:01 < dystopianray> a sponsor could withdraw if a page about them was vandalised and it hurt their reputation
2008-02-19 12:02 < NotACow> Sfan00: they have measurable damages.
2008-02-19 12:02 < Demi> it combines an employer-funded reimbursement account with what is essentially a high-deductible PPO
2008-02-19 12:02 < NotASpider> anybody have a radio show or a podcast
2008-02-19 12:02 < NotACow> dystopianray: "sponsor"?
2008-02-19 12:02 < NotACow> dystopianray: wikipedia doesn't have sponsors.
2008-02-19 12:02 < itpastorn> Hi all. Anyone here good at Wikipedia templates? I need help with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Ethernet_parameters
2008-02-19 12:02 < NotASpider> that would be a good gag
2008-02-19 12:02 < dystopianray> NotACow: anyone who gives a sizeable amount of money to wikipedia
2008-02-19 12:02 < NotACow> dystopianray: there's no suchc person.
2008-02-19 12:02 < NotACow> dystopianray: there are no consistent, large donors to the Foundation.
2008-02-19 12:02 < Sfan00> Yes but Sponsers can't pull pages, Wikipediea's editorial policy works agsinst that
2008-02-19 12:03 < NotASpider> itpastorn {{#if: {{{whatever|}}} | do it | otherwise don't }}
2008-02-19 12:03 < Sfan00> Insuring against possible libel damages for BLP issues is a possibility, and I think some medi organisations keep a legal fund for such purposes...
2008-02-19 12:04 < Sfan00> *media
2008-02-19 12:04 < itpastorn> OK. I'll try it
2008-02-19 12:05 < NotASpider> in this case you would put "<tr><td>whatever...</td></tr>" in place of "do it"
2008-02-19 12:05 < NotASpider> either of them can be blank if not needed
2008-02-19 12:06 < NotACow> Sfan00: wikimedia would likely find that a general laibility policy would be financially infeasible.
2008-02-19 12:06 < dystopianray> would wikipedia ever consider suing someone for vandalism?
2008-02-19 12:06 < NotACow> dystopianray: wikipedia lacks the power to sue
2008-02-19 12:07 < Sfan00> dystopianaray: Erm how?
2008-02-19 12:07 < NotACow> wikipedia has no legal existence, and therefore cannot sue anyone
2008-02-19 12:07 < Sfan00> Wikipedia doesn't own the contents
2008-02-19 12:07 < dystopianray> who owns the contents?
2008-02-19 12:08 < NotACow> dystopianray: the individual contributors
2008-02-19 12:08 < Sfan00> The communityu
2008-02-19 12:08 < NotACow> Sfan00: false.
2008-02-19 12:08 < NotACow> Sfan00: the community owns nothing.
2008-02-19 12:08 < NotACow> Sfan00: each contributor owns their own contributions, and nothing else.
2008-02-19 12:09 < dystopianray> would a contributor be able to sue if their contribution was edited in a way that caused them damage?
2008-02-19 12:10 < NotACow> dystopianray: "caused them damage" how?
2008-02-19 12:10 < NotACow> dystopianray: if you are libeled on wikipedia, you can sue the editor responsible for that libel.
2008-02-19 12:10 < dystopianray> NotACow: has that ever happened?
2008-02-19 12:10 < NotACow> dystopianray: yes
2008-02-19 12:10 < aimaz> the law is no different on wikipedia than in any other medium
2008-02-19 12:11 < NotACow> people have been sued because of edits they've made on wikipedia
2008-02-19 12:11 < NotASpider> ipastorn, the extra row will appear if the parameter is defined as something other than a blank string
2008-02-19 12:11 < NotACow> there is actually a wikipedia contributor somewhere who faces criminal prosecution as a result of his (or her) edits to wikipedia, assuming they ever find him
2008-02-19 12:11 < dystopianray> NotACow: really? what edits did they make?
2008-02-19 12:12 < quanticle> Why was monobi banned?
2008-02-19 12:12 < NotASpider> if the value is going to be a number, you could use something {{#ifexpr:{{{foo|}}} > 100 | ... | ... }} etc if that is meaningful
2008-02-19 12:13 < NotACow> dystopianray: the editor in question made changes to an article that were disrespectful of the King of Thailand
2008-02-19 12:13 < Sfan00> NotACOw: Oh really? What for? I thought most issues on Wikipedia were civil matters
2008-02-19 12:13 < NotACow> dystopianray: disrespect of the King is a very serious criminal offense there
2008-02-19 12:13 < NotACow> in theory, this editor faces the death penalty if found
2008-02-19 12:14 < Sfan00> Which to most people would seem ridiculous
2008-02-19 12:15 < NotACow> Sfan00: holocaust denial is criminal in a number of countries
2008-02-19 12:15 < Sfan00> I mean you don't get shot at for dissing Bush
2008-02-19 12:15 < NotACow> Sfan00: a german who edits wikipedia so as to lend support to naziism would likely face criminal charges in germany.
2008-02-19 12:15 < NotASpider> unless you live way out in... well... the bush
2008-02-19 12:16 < Leslie_S> why the hell was i banned yesterday anyway< i demand answers.
2008-02-19 12:16 < NotACow> Leslie_S: don't bother.
2008-02-19 12:16 < Sfan00> NotACow: Yeah, and although no-ones tried using it against the tabloids, IIIRC it was still technically criminal to libel a member of the royal family
2008-02-19 12:16 < Leslie_S> NotACow i dont know why i fucking bother being here, if im going to be banned for no reason.
2008-02-19 12:17 < Leslie_S> anyway, im going to work. bye.
2008-02-19 12:17 < NotACow> Leslie_S: mmm.
2008-02-19 12:17 < Sfan00> Leslsie_S: banned where?
2008-02-19 12:17 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 here.
2008-02-19 12:17 < Leslie_S> Sfan00 obviously im not banned now.
2008-02-19 12:17 < dystopianray> Leslie_S: calm down, it's only the internet
2008-02-19 12:17 < Sfan00> Some ops are paranoid Leslie_S
2008-02-19 12:17 < NotACow> Leslie_S: don't create drama, it doesn't help.
2008-02-19 12:17 < Leslie_S> then maybe people shouldnt ban me
2008-02-19 12:17 < Leslie_S> i wasnt even here when it happened.
2008-02-19 12:17 < NotASpider> i forgot who banned me from this channel, but it lasted all of five minutes
2008-02-19 12:17 < Demi> the foundation could prosecute someone for unauthorized use of their computing resources, which would depend on showing what unauthorized means in the context of their applications
2008-02-19 12:17 < NotACow> Leslie_S: does it really matter?
2008-02-19 12:17 < Leslie_S> ive been banned here quite a few times.
2008-02-19 12:17 < Leslie_S> NotACow yes. it pisses me the hell off.
2008-02-19 12:17 < NotACow> Leslie_S: why?
2008-02-19 12:18 < Sfan00> You get clue bans and TImeout bans
2008-02-19 12:18 < Sfan00> :(
2008-02-19 12:18 < NotASpider> i suggested that certain users were nerds
2008-02-19 12:18 < Leslie_S> i wasnt even *HERE*
2008-02-19 12:18 < Leslie_S> i come home from work and get on irc, and find myself banned.
2008-02-19 12:18 < NotASpider> i don't remember who or why
2008-02-19 12:18 < Leslie_S> anyway, bye. off to work.
2008-02-19 12:18 < NotACow> shit happens
2008-02-19 12:18 < NotACow> shovel it off and move on
2008-02-19 12:20 < Sfan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alborz_Fallah#Image:Javad_Khan_to_Tsitsianov_page1_Small.jpg - Reasonable to point a contriubtor at Wikisoruce?
2008-02-19 12:22 < NotASpider> can he type in... um, azerbaijani?
2008-02-19 12:23 < dystopianray> has anyone ever gone through the process of becoming an admin purely for the purposes of being able to vandalise better?
2008-02-19 12:24 < Sfan00> That's why I asked what script it was
2008-02-19 12:24 < Sfan00> ?
2008-02-19 12:24 < WikiHelper> lol
2008-02-19 12:24 < Sfan00> What script is it?
2008-02-19 12:24 < Sfan00> TO me a lot of them look alike
2008-02-19 12:27 < NotASpider> obviously OCR would be a disaster
2008-02-19 12:45 * Ceiling_Cat stares down at Gracenotes
2008-02-19 12:47 < Gracenotes> Ceiling_Cat: hey.
2008-02-19 12:47 < Gracenotes> nothing to watch, sorry; I'm at school.
2008-02-19 12:47 < kucck> sure are a lot of wikif4gs in here
2008-02-19 12:47 < kucck> lz
2008-02-19 12:50 < `nuckk> Learn to ban, wikin00bs
2008-02-19 12:50 < `nuckk> crisco Gracenotes Ashfire908 kucck lirion`reco robs_ @Ceiling_Cat Aeternus BCMM danopia`school dandin1 Lirion D_Angel_Vikx NotASpy David-Mestel GerardM- eddejonge Olipro cannsado J_Milburn itpastorn Wile_E_Coyote SonicAD__ DerHexer Predator Fabexplosive bah AsemBRB jasoncalacanis_ Sfan00 Leslie_S NotASpider Demi shazza shza DannyLilithborne jimius nevermore Bunny faceface mftcfkatrom jm_ Malffi Golbez AzaTht Ziron Ningyou JohnReaves
2008-02-19 12:51 < `nuckk> Platonides skenmy SQLDb yanstheman Gurumasa gdonato cremepuff|away rainman-sr kenlyric Undeference Zarock NeoServer Haley|away FrancoGG leileilol Luigi30 DiGitalX Ceogar jhattara spytrdr HawkeV__ Shaman CathaliN protocoldoug Falc LordMetroid SinSeer aimaz Riffage VRAG Mike_H deelkar lucasbfr Kwitschibo HockeyInJune cctoide OverlordQ mammix STalKer-X gwern NastyAccident str4nd Polar twmi aloril wimt_away Kvant Cobi Inke webs jaydeearm
2008-02-19 12:51 < Sfan00> !op
2008-02-19 12:51 < Falc> lmao
2008-02-19 12:51 < Falc> Idiots. Whats the point?
2008-02-19 12:51 < crisco> man, are the ops in here ever going to learn how to fucking mod
2008-02-19 12:51 < DerHexer> *gähn*
2008-02-19 12:52 < crisco> i get nickspammed in here every week
2008-02-19 12:52 < JohnReaves> crisco:Here's an idea: go away
2008-02-19 12:52 < Gracenotes> and nickspamming yourself isn't a good way to fix that, crisco
2008-02-19 12:52 * Ceiling_Cat agrees with JohnReaves
2008-02-19 12:52 < bumm13> 89]=
2008-02-19 12:53 < bumm13> \p;['78
2008-02-19 12:53 < Gracenotes> :<
2008-02-19 12:53 < bumm13> (darn cat :P )
2008-02-19 12:53 * Ceiling_Cat watches bumm13
2008-02-19 12:53 < Ceiling_Cat> and his "cat"
2008-02-19 12:54 < bumm13> that was my cat :P
2008-02-19 12:57 < jasoncalacanis_> wow.... that was effective nuckk
2008-02-19 12:58 < Fabexplosive> hey bumm13
2008-02-19 13:00 < Fabexplosive> who is nuckk?
2008-02-19 13:02 < Ceiling_Cat> Fabexplosive - typical channel troll
2008-02-19 13:02 < Fabexplosive> ah, ok
2008-02-19 13:09 < NotASpider> anybody read much vonnegut
2008-02-19 13:09 * Pilotguy sets NotASpider's hair on fire
2008-02-19 13:10 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Cyrius