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2008-02-19 02:14 < Miranda|away> anyway he wants wikipedians to participate in his survey for class
2008-02-19 02:14 < Miranda|away> three lucky winners will recieve an iPod http://www.my3q.com/home2/202/researchsocial/nuswiki.phtml
2008-02-19 02:15 < Miranda|away> anyway...yeah...he told me to say that in -en
2008-02-19 02:15 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Alex Borstein]]
2008-02-19 02:15 < Ceiling_Cat> The woman who voices Lois Griffin
2008-02-19 02:15 < Ceiling_Cat> she sent us her pic today to use :)
2008-02-19 02:15 < Miranda|away> Ceiling_Cat: you know what
2008-02-19 02:15 < Miranda|away> I asked her to do that
2008-02-19 02:15 < Miranda|away> :-P
2008-02-19 02:15 < Miranda|away> hahaha
2008-02-19 02:16 < Ceiling_Cat> Huh?
2008-02-19 02:16 < Miranda|away> via e-mail
2008-02-19 02:16 < Ceiling_Cat> really? Neat.
2008-02-19 02:16 < Miranda|away> yeah
2008-02-19 02:16 < Ceiling_Cat> Does having an @wikimedia.org address make it seem less shady?
2008-02-19 02:16 < Ceiling_Cat> As opposed to doing it privately
2008-02-19 02:17 < Miranda|away> I have the e-mail so I can forward to OTRS to say that I am not lying
2008-02-19 02:17 < Ceiling_Cat> Miranda|away - no need, I have the permission directly from her assistant already in the system
2008-02-19 02:17 < Miranda|away> @wikimedia.org address is more professional imho
2008-02-19 02:17 < Miranda|away> ah ok
2008-02-19 02:17 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm trying to get the contact page translated into other languages
2008-02-19 02:17 < Ceiling_Cat> but sadly I am having little success
2008-02-19 02:18 < Miranda|away> meh you might want to try the other language channels...
2008-02-19 02:18 < Miranda|away> like pop in for translations
2008-02-19 02:19 < Ceiling_Cat> I was thinking of doing it in a more organized fashion
2008-02-19 02:19 < Miranda|away> ah ok...
2008-02-19 02:20 < Ceiling_Cat> especially since - at least on en - we don't want contact pages popping out of nowhere
2008-02-19 02:20 < Ceiling_Cat> what I really need to do is get people on other wikis and in other languages interested in doing this particular job
2008-02-19 02:20 * Ceiling_Cat sighs
2008-02-19 02:21 < Ceiling_Cat> so many good ideas, but only one of me to carry them out
2008-02-19 02:21 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: Post them.
2008-02-19 02:21 < Lubaf> And ask if somebody is willing to help.
2008-02-19 02:22 < Rinn> Or clone yourself.
2008-02-19 02:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - I have seriously thought about putting something on my userpage to that effect
2008-02-19 02:22 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: How's the FA assistant working out?
2008-02-19 02:22 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: Go ahead and do so.
2008-02-19 02:22 < Ceiling_Cat> Lubaf - spectacularly
2008-02-19 02:22 < Lubaf> Thought so.
2008-02-19 02:22 < Lubaf> As I said, it's a matter of trust.
2008-02-19 02:30 < Ceiling_Cat> A label on the box reading 'AES' does not ensure that your data are protected. heise examined a hard drive enclosure with an RFID key that is typical of many similar products. They found that the 128-bit AES hardware encryption claimed in advertisements was in fact a simple XOR encryption that they were able to break easily with a known plaintext attack."
2008-02-19 02:30 < Ceiling_Cat> Hehe
2008-02-19 02:30 * Ceiling_Cat hopes someone sues them for gross negligence
2008-02-19 02:32 < OverlordQ> XOR? rofl
2008-02-19 02:34 < Ceiling_Cat> in one of my undergrad computer security classes - which probably had the most practical assignments in any course I ever took - one of our assignments was to crack a letter encrypted with xor encryption
2008-02-19 02:34 < Ceiling_Cat> and in that case, we didnt know the plain text
2008-02-19 02:34 < Ceiling_Cat> you know what the trick is?
2008-02-19 02:37 < Ceiling_Cat> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Alan_Moore.jpg
2008-02-19 02:37 < Ceiling_Cat> WHOA
2008-02-19 02:37 < Ceiling_Cat> now that's some finger bling
2008-02-19 02:50 < Ceiling_Cat> Note to the 1/2 Hour News Hour's writers: We're conservative, not retarded. There is, I assure you, a distinction, though a subtle one.
2008-02-19 02:50 * Ceiling_Cat lulz
2008-02-19 02:57 < Lubaf> Ceiling_Cat: Crypts, I'd assume.
2008-02-19 02:57 < Lubaf> That is, plaintext you'd expect to see.
2008-02-19 02:58 < Werdna> Ceiling_Cat: what IS the trick?
2008-02-19 02:58 < Werdna> search for some known plaintext ?
2008-02-19 02:58 < Werdna> frequency distribution?
2008-02-19 03:03 < Mike1> Strong, strong oppose If there's an encyclopedic, highly technical way to illustrate masturbation, it's certainly not by taking a picture of yourself jacking it in your living room. Absolutely not FP material. SingCal 07:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
2008-02-19 03:04 * Lubaf wonders if he can refer to Magical Girl Lyrical Nahona here and be understood.
2008-02-19 03:04 < Lubaf> In this case, me threatening to "befriend" Ceiling_Cat if he doesn't tell us what the secret is.
2008-02-19 03:06 < Lady_Aleena> Hello all...
2008-02-19 03:07 * Lady_Aleena wonders if WP:Silence would apply after 3 days without a comment on an issue.
2008-02-19 03:12 * IceKarma wonders, whither Cuba now?
2008-02-19 03:14 < brown_cat> IceKarma: no, it means lucifer has retired
2008-02-19 03:14 < IceKarma> brown_cat, ...
2008-02-19 03:14 < IceKarma> brown_cat, ... fail.
2008-02-19 03:16 * Lady_Aleena sits and waits in silence, all the while hating it.
2008-02-19 03:20 < p858snake> Say if a band broke up/went into hiatus is it "is or was" when referring to them in articles?
2008-02-19 03:25 < Lady_Aleena> broken:was::hiatus:is
2008-02-19 03:25 < Lady_Aleena> IMO
2008-02-19 03:30 < The359> yeah
2008-02-19 03:30 < The359> Broken up means the "band" no longer exists
2008-02-19 03:30 < p858snake> because i knwo TV shows are always preferred to be in "is"
2008-02-19 03:30 < The359> Hiatus means the band still exists, but just aren't doing anything
2008-02-19 03:30 < Lady_Aleena> p858snake: A television series will always exist. A band will not always exist, though their music will.
2008-02-19 03:31 < The359> Wouldn't just an episode always exist?
2008-02-19 03:31 < p858snake> a tv show is like a band basically, they both have members
2008-02-19 03:31 < The359> Not the basic show itself?
2008-02-19 03:31 < p858snake> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Television/Archive_4#Was_vs._Is <thats the disucssion on WP:TV
2008-02-19 03:33 < Lady_Aleena> The359: Now I don't know...
2008-02-19 03:33 < Lady_Aleena> :)
2008-02-19 03:33 < The359> lol
2008-02-19 03:34 < Lady_Aleena> The359: Got you to laugh! TeeHee
2008-02-19 03:34 * The359 would think was would work for a series, while is would work for an episode
2008-02-19 03:34 < Lady_Aleena> The359: I think that context would be key when referring to either the series in full or just an episode.
2008-02-19 03:36 < Lady_Aleena> Any Whovians here?
2008-02-19 03:37 * The359 is a minor Whovian, fan of just the renewed series
2008-02-19 03:37 * brown_cat_mac scares The359 >:(
2008-02-19 03:37 < The359> ?
2008-02-19 03:38 < Lady_Aleena> The359: Everytime I see a talk page which has been archived 5 times, I think to my self "Archive 6 is out of bounds."
2008-02-19 03:38 * The359 doesn't get it
2008-02-19 03:38 < p858snake> hmm i should get backinto WP:Uncat or something one day
2008-02-19 03:39 < Lady_Aleena> The359: Don't worry about it then...just something that pops into my head from the second to last episode of the 1 series of the new Who.
2008-02-19 03:40 < The359> ah, wait
2008-02-19 03:40 < The359> The Space Station?
2008-02-19 03:40 < The359> whatever it was called
2008-02-19 03:40 < Lady_Aleena> Yes, and the snotty woman telling Jack, "Archive 6 is out of bounds"
2008-02-19 03:41 < The359> ok
2008-02-19 03:41 * Lady_Aleena really needs to archive her talk page, but still hasn't figured out how she is going to do it.
2008-02-19 03:41 < Lady_Aleena> I see numbered archives, and archive six is out of bounds...makes me smile a tiny bit.
2008-02-19 03:42 * eth01 wabes
2008-02-19 03:42 < eth01> waves
2008-02-19 03:42 < eth01> :P
2008-02-19 03:42 * Lady_Aleena giggles.
2008-02-19 03:42 < brown_cat> STOP IT!!!!
2008-02-19 03:43 < Lady_Aleena> NO!
2008-02-19 03:45 < The359> Rape
2008-02-19 03:45 < Lady_Aleena> NO!
2008-02-19 03:45 * brown_cat cuddles Lady_Aleena
2008-02-19 03:45 < Lady_Aleena> YES!
2008-02-19 03:46 < Lady_Aleena> Could someone point me to a category on Commons that has simple arrows on it?
2008-02-19 03:46 < Lady_Aleena> I'm only on dial-up and searching Commons for me is very time consuming.
2008-02-19 03:47 < Lady_Aleena> Nevermind
2008-02-19 03:47 < jerkface03> Are there any userboxes available for convicted sex offenders such as myself?
2008-02-19 03:47 < jerkface03> I need something to clearly identify that I'm a sexual predator
2008-02-19 03:47 < The359> I doubt that's legally required
2008-02-19 03:48 < The359> In fact, I'm sure that if you were one, you wouldn't be allowed to use the internet
2008-02-19 03:48 < Rinn> jerkface03: There's an "I'm a pedophile" userbox. "Pedophile" seems to be synonymous with "sex offender," so you might as well try it.
2008-02-19 03:48 < jerkface03> lol
2008-02-19 03:48 < The359> I believe it was deleted, Rinn
2008-02-19 03:48 < jerkface03> Rinn: as a troll or real?
2008-02-19 03:49 < Rinn> I saw it once or twice.
2008-02-19 03:49 < eth01> "jerkface03"
2008-02-19 03:49 < eth01> :S
2008-02-19 03:49 < eth01> nice nick.
2008-02-19 03:49 < eth01> </sarcasm>
2008-02-19 03:49 < jerkface03> ty ty
2008-02-19 03:50 < Rinn> I called someone a jerkface loserhead once.
2008-02-19 03:51 < Lady_Aleena> The359: Do you think that 3 days is enough time to give people to give opinons on a merge?
2008-02-19 03:52 < The359> I guess
2008-02-19 03:52 < The359> depends how active the talk page is in the first place
2008-02-19 03:53 < The359> if it's rather dead, you might want to directly inform users who have previously edited it
2008-02-19 03:53 < Lady_Aleena> I want to merge two sections of two different lists into a new list. No one has said anything though there have been edits since I posted the notice on both lists.
2008-02-19 03:53 * The359 shrug
2008-02-19 03:54 < jerkface03> what's the deal with fair use? does it only work with non-commerical entities?
2008-02-19 03:55 < p858snake> [[Fair use]]
2008-02-19 03:55 < jerkface03> too lazy to read
2008-02-19 03:55 < jerkface03> just tell me
2008-02-19 03:55 * The359 is too lazy to explain
2008-02-19 03:55 < The359> guess you're shit out of luck
2008-02-19 03:55 < jerkface03> or
2008-02-19 03:55 < jerkface03> maybe
2008-02-19 03:55 < jerkface03> you don't know
2008-02-19 03:55 < jerkface03> and you're too afraid to admit it
2008-02-19 03:55 < jerkface03> it's ok.
2008-02-19 03:56 < Rinn> Were jerkface, jerkface01, and jerkface02 already registered?
2008-02-19 03:57 < jerkface03> not sure? i use this nick because it's unlikely that someone else will claim it on other networks where there is a no nickserv
2008-02-19 03:57 < jerkface03> eg efnet
2008-02-19 03:58 * Rinn joins efnet and steals it
2008-02-19 03:58 < jerkface03> jokes on you ;/
2008-02-19 03:58 < eth01> uh
2008-02-19 03:58 < jerkface03> it's too long for efnet
2008-02-19 03:58 < jerkface03> it truncates to jerkface0
2008-02-19 03:59 < Rinn> Only nine characters?
2008-02-19 03:59 < Rinn> That's almost as bad as vanity license plates.
2008-02-19 03:59 < jerkface03> *shrug*
2008-02-19 03:59 < jerkface03> that's efnet for you
2008-02-19 03:59 < jerkface03> it's much more orderly now than it was 7 to 10 years ago
2008-02-19 03:59 < jerkface03> they caved and brought in chanfix
2008-02-19 04:12 < eth01> chanfix hasn't made much difference to efnet yanno.
2008-02-19 04:12 < eth01> it's still maintained by utter fools.
2008-02-19 04:13 < jerkface03> that was the whole appeal of efnet
2008-02-19 04:13 < jerkface03> no monitoring, no nothing
2008-02-19 04:56 < Lady_Aleena> I need an opinion about how a list of films looks now compared to when I started a major overhaul. Would anyone be willing to take a look?
2008-02-19 05:10 < Lady_Aleena> Hello?
2008-02-19 05:11 < ancjr> howdy
2008-02-19 05:11 < Lady_Aleena> Just wondering if anyone is still watching.
2008-02-19 05:16 < Lady_Aleena> Anyone here speak French?
2008-02-19 05:23 < wahrheit> sorry nope
2008-02-19 05:24 < Lady_Aleena> I think I figured out my answer anyway, so don't worry.
2008-02-19 05:24 < wahrheit> :) Good.
2008-02-19 05:26 < Lady_Aleena> I still would like to have another set of eyes to look at something.
2008-02-19 05:27 < wahrheit> hm the only french speaker i know is sleeping ATM
2008-02-19 05:27 < wahrheit> otherwise i'd ask him for you
2008-02-19 05:27 < Lady_Aleena> Oh, this is something else now. The French thing was a little aside.
2008-02-19 05:27 < wahrheit> can i help in any way?
2008-02-19 05:28 < Lady_Aleena> Would you look at an old and then a new version of a film list and tell me what you think of the changes?
2008-02-19 05:28 < wahrheit> sure
2008-02-19 05:28 < Lady_Aleena> Let me get you the links...
2008-02-19 05:28 < wahrheit> i'm not really up to speed on wiki standards for lists, i might not be of any help at all
2008-02-19 05:29 < Lady_Aleena> Before: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_disaster_films&oldid=190062262
2008-02-19 05:29 < Lady_Aleena> After: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disaster_films
2008-02-19 05:29 < wahrheit> Oh wow that's a significant change
2008-02-19 05:30 < Lady_Aleena> Good change or bad change?
2008-02-19 05:30 < wahrheit> I like how you subcategorized, so yes, that's my opinion, i like it
2008-02-19 05:31 < Lady_Aleena> Thanks...I am still trying to decide whether or not to spin animals off the list into their own. I already spun terrorism off.
2008-02-19 05:32 < wahrheit> honestly i think you should display the whole lists of crime, terrorism, and war films. i know for a fact SOMEONE will not like that, though
2008-02-19 05:33 < wahrheit> But they can go to hell. Or something nicer.
2008-02-19 05:33 < Lady_Aleena> wahrheit: Have you seen the length of those lists? :O
2008-02-19 05:33 < wahrheit> I like complete lists because it makes it easy to CTRL+F and find what you need
2008-02-19 05:33 < wahrheit> without clicking on other links
2008-02-19 05:34 < wahrheit> ... that's just my personal preference though
2008-02-19 05:34 < wahrheit> oh wow you're right
2008-02-19 05:34 < wahrheit> the other lists are just insane
2008-02-19 05:34 < wahrheit> :D
2008-02-19 05:34 < wahrheit> So, ignore my 2 cents.
2008-02-19 05:35 < Lady_Aleena> I am not going to touch the crime lists, and the war list I only touched to remove the terrorism section and move it to its own page with the terrorism list that was once on the disaster list.
2008-02-19 05:41 < RichiH> NotACow: not really. i have known you for years. and yes, i timed that so it would be in _your_ backlog :)
2008-02-19 05:42 < The359> NotACow is lame. Eat that, backlog
2008-02-19 06:07 < dquestions> anyone here with plenty of experience in mysql/php looking to start "the next big thing" (this time with a pretty heavy emphasis on "social responsibility"/charity/renewable energy type of things though).. let me know
2008-02-19 07:08 < gwern> I see my feet everyday, but do I ever really *talk* to them?
2008-02-19 07:09 < Lycurgus> You must not have happy feet.
2008-02-19 07:10 < Qst> Me?
2008-02-19 07:10 < Lycurgus> dquestions: under what arrangement?
2008-02-19 07:11 < Lycurgus> No, gwern.
2008-02-19 07:11 < Qst> Ok
2008-02-19 07:12 < Lycurgus> (if the locution "the next big thing" doesn't moot the question)
2008-02-19 07:24 < gwern> what an unexpected day. castro resigns, and pakistan has somewhat honest elections?
2008-02-19 07:46 < zocky> <<While Fidel Castro has stepped down as leader, experts believe he could remain politically influential as first secretary of the ruling Communist party and as Cuba's elder statesman.>>
2008-02-19 07:46 < zocky> the guy is old and dying. he's not going to keep political influence.
2008-02-19 07:46 < arcimboldo_> slightly elder
2008-02-19 07:47 < arcimboldo_> well - I don't think they will do radical changes before he dies.
2008-02-19 07:47 < zocky> nor immediately after
2008-02-19 07:48 < mechminx^> Castro will be like Singapore - pulling the strings behind the scenes
2008-02-19 07:48 < arcimboldo_> half a year after his death we might see the start of more radical economic reform
2008-02-19 07:49 < arcimboldo_> I'm not sure whether we'll see political reform
2008-02-19 07:49 < mechminx^> the Castros will be another family dicatorship
2008-02-19 07:50 < arcimboldo_> are there second generation Castros ready to take over? I only know about his brother
2008-02-19 07:52 < mechminx^> yep there are
2008-02-19 07:55 < Mike_H> arcimboldo_: I don't think they think that far ahead.
2008-02-19 07:56 < mechminx^> in Cuba the saying is "After Castro, Castro" - ie Raoul
2008-02-19 08:00 < zocky> hey, raoul was in the revolution
2008-02-19 08:00 < zocky> his qualifications are not just that he's fidel's brother
2008-02-19 08:03 < Mike_H> In Spanish they don't spell it with the o.
2008-02-19 08:03 < Mike_H> Raul.
2008-02-19 08:03 * DiGitalX is away due to: ÈÑæÍ ãäí æÇÑÏ ... ÈÛÈ
2008-02-19 08:12 * Mike_H NP: Cliff Richard - Devil Woman (1976)
2008-02-19 08:14 < arcimboldo_> Yeah, Raul may have been the best companion alternative after Che Guevara was killed.
2008-02-19 08:37 < Buffalosoldier92> Heh... fidel castro has resigned...
2008-02-19 08:42 < arcimboldo_> And Musharraf is likely to resign ...
2008-02-19 08:42 < Buffalosoldier92> Yep
2008-02-19 08:48 < AAA^> brown_cat! \o/
2008-02-19 08:52 < kenlyric> arcimboldo_: you mean likely to kill thousands to retain power
2008-02-19 08:52 < AAA^> a question.
2008-02-19 08:52 < AAA^> would it be okay for me to move this to [[gold farming]]? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmer_%28gaming%29
2008-02-19 08:53 < AAA^> since that's its more common and correct name?
2008-02-19 08:53 < AAA^> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NAME
2008-02-19 08:53 < arcimboldo_> kenlyric: Not sure he can afford that ... it's too clear a vote. It's more likely that he might do some muddy power sharing deal with one of the two parties, with some money involved ...
2008-02-19 09:02 * AAA^ is still waiting for an answer
2008-02-19 09:02 < arcimboldo_> Test
2008-02-19 09:03 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-19 09:03 < Trickz> oom
2008-02-19 09:03 < Trickz> repeat my mantra
2008-02-19 09:03 < NotACow> THERE ARE NO ANSWERS
2008-02-19 09:03 < Trickz> oooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2008-02-19 09:03 < NotACow> ONLY PITHY APHORISMS
2008-02-19 09:03 < Trickz> PICKLE SUPRISE!
2008-02-19 09:03 < NotACow> NOBODY EXPECTS THE PICKLE INQUISITION
2008-02-19 09:04 < Trickz> um
2008-02-19 09:04 < Trickz> have you seen the pickle suprise video on youtube
2008-02-19 09:04 < Trickz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzOpjBOzMqA
2008-02-19 09:04 < Taggard> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roberto_Carlos_%28footballer%29&diff=192552084&oldid=192551599
2008-02-19 09:05 < Taggard> This is hilarious, for some reason
2008-02-19 09:05 < NotACow> Trickz: i don't do youtube.
2008-02-19 09:05 < Trickz> you suck
2008-02-19 09:05 < Trickz> why? too unfree?
2008-02-19 09:05 < Trickz> lol
2008-02-19 09:05 < NotACow> nothing wrong with sucking
2008-02-19 09:06 < Trickz> brb, doing a emergency editing
2008-02-19 09:06 * NotACow edits Trickz' emergency to turn it into a fruitcake.
2008-02-19 09:07 < Trickz> um
2008-02-19 09:07 < AAA^> so, can i move [[farmer (gaming)]] to [[gold farming]] plz?
2008-02-19 09:08 < NotACow> AAA^: yes, you have my permission.
2008-02-19 09:08 < AAA^> is NotACow admin?
2008-02-19 09:08 < Trickz> okay
2008-02-19 09:08 < Trickz> done
2008-02-19 09:09 < Trickz> just added a notice that a montreal subway station has been ordered to be closed
2008-02-19 09:09 < NotACow> Trickz: and that constitutes an EMERGENCY?
2008-02-19 09:09 < Trickz> Well, it was last minute
2008-02-19 09:09 < Trickz> lol
2008-02-19 09:10 < AAA^> NotACow: are you admin?
2008-02-19 09:10 < NotACow> AAA^: i am admin of all, and admin of none.
2008-02-19 09:10 * NotACow giggles
2008-02-19 09:11 < aimaz> AAA^: I think generally you can just do things
2008-02-19 09:11 < aimaz> one of the things wikipedia says is "be bold"
2008-02-19 09:11 < NotACow> AAA^: you don't need permission to do anything on wikipedia. Just Do It.
2008-02-19 09:11 < AAA^> k
2008-02-19 09:11 * Trickz counts his edits
2008-02-19 09:11 < Trickz> 2334
2008-02-19 09:11 < Trickz> edits
2008-02-19 09:11 < NotACow> AAA^: of course, if you do the wrong thing, someone will hit you with a stick. but that's ok, because you can just hit them back.
2008-02-19 09:11 < NotACow> Trickz: go away.
2008-02-19 09:11 < NotACow> Trickz: i've not made more edits than you've made.
2008-02-19 09:11 < Trickz> I know
2008-02-19 09:11 < Trickz> lol
2008-02-19 09:11 < Trickz> I don't have huggle atm
2008-02-19 09:12 < Trickz> it's at home
2008-02-19 09:12 < Trickz> lol
2008-02-19 09:12 < NotACow> huggle?
2008-02-19 09:12 < aimaz> how do you find out how many edits you've made?
2008-02-19 09:12 < Trickz> yep
2008-02-19 09:12 < NotACow> aimaz: don't
2008-02-19 09:12 < AAA^> ok, but can someone delete http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gold_farming&redirect=no
2008-02-19 09:12 < NotACow> you don't want to know how many edits you have
2008-02-19 09:12 < AAA^> and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gold_farming
2008-02-19 09:12 < NotACow> editcountitis is a disease
2008-02-19 09:12 < Aqwis> aimaz, check your preferences page
2008-02-19 09:12 < NotACow> AAA^: no, those can never be deleted.
2008-02-19 09:12 < AAA^> then how am i supposed to move?
2008-02-19 09:12 < Trickz> NotACow, you never used Huggle?
2008-02-19 09:12 < NotACow> AAA^: deleting them will cause the wiki to completely disintegrate
2008-02-19 09:13 < NotACow> Trickz: to me a "huggle" is a small hug-like event.
2008-02-19 09:13 < aimaz> my edit count is still reasonable
2008-02-19 09:13 < aimaz> it doesn't worry me
2008-02-19 09:13 < Trickz> WEll
2008-02-19 09:13 < Trickz> Huggle is an application for dealing with vandalism.
2008-02-19 09:13 < NotACow> Trickz: the word makes me think of the "rapably soft" segment from rubber chicken.
2008-02-19 09:13 * AAA^ directs NotACow to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Db-move
2008-02-19 09:13 < NotACow> Trickz: ugh.
2008-02-19 09:13 < Trickz> maintained by gurch
2008-02-19 09:13 < Trickz> and i soooooooooooooooo love it
2008-02-19 09:13 * AAA^ also gives NotACow some hay
2008-02-19 09:14 < NotACow> Trickz: i was writing some vandalism management software a while back, but i got bored with it and quit.
2008-02-19 09:14 < Trickz> ah okay
2008-02-19 09:14 * Trickz checks something
2008-02-19 09:14 < Trickz> nope
2008-02-19 09:14 < Trickz> you're not on the huggle whitelist
2008-02-19 09:14 < NotACow> i haven't talked to gurchie of late
2008-02-19 09:14 < NotACow> Trickz: i wouldn't expect to be.
2008-02-19 09:15 < NotACow> Trickz: since i haven't edited wikipedia in months
2008-02-19 09:15 < Trickz> ah okay
2008-02-19 09:15 < Trickz> :)
2008-02-19 09:15 < Trickz> say
2008-02-19 09:15 < Trickz> what do you study?
2008-02-19 09:15 < NotACow> study?
2008-02-19 09:15 < NotACow> mainly i study people.
2008-02-19 09:15 < Trickz> nvm
2008-02-19 09:15 < Trickz> lol
2008-02-19 09:15 < NotACow> they're interesting.
2008-02-19 09:15 < Trickz> i study fat people
2008-02-19 09:15 < NotACow> Trickz: i suspect that i may have children older than you are :)
2008-02-19 09:16 < Trickz> that's because you're a cow
2008-02-19 09:16 < zocky> NotACow, there's a lewd pun to be made there, but only in balkanese
2008-02-19 09:16 < NotACow> zocky: hehe
2008-02-19 09:16 < Trickz> wtf
2008-02-19 09:16 < Trickz> i got memoserv spammed
2008-02-19 09:16 * AAA^ pokes brown_cat_mac
2008-02-19 09:17 < zocky> NotACow, the line is that you study music
2008-02-19 09:17 < AAA^> Trickz: /msg memoserv set memos off
2008-02-19 09:17 < zocky> NotACow, and the punchline is that you "play music to cock", i.e. "waste time"
2008-02-19 09:17 < eth01> umm
2008-02-19 09:17 < NotACow> zocky: heh
2008-02-19 09:17 < eth01> who spammed you in ms?
2008-02-19 09:17 < Trickz> a lot of random nicks
2008-02-19 09:17 * AAA^ blames w00ty boy
2008-02-19 09:17 < NotACow> Trickz: it's been eight years since i was in school
2008-02-19 09:18 < NotACow> Trickz: and that was law school.
2008-02-19 09:18 < Trickz> oh ok
2008-02-19 09:18 < eth01> post the nicks to stx please.
2008-02-19 09:18 < Trickz> you're a lawyer?
2008-02-19 09:18 < NotACow> Trickz: no, i'm a network administrator
2008-02-19 09:18 < AAA^> NotACow, shut up
2008-02-19 09:18 * AAA^ bonks Dave2
2008-02-19 09:19 < eth01> lol
2008-02-19 09:19 < zocky> NotACow, you run a dating agency? :)
2008-02-19 09:19 < Trickz> full of whores?
2008-02-19 09:19 < eth01> haha.
2008-02-19 09:19 < eth01> don't be mean.
2008-02-19 09:19 * NotACow stuffs an inflatable sheep in AAA^'s mouth
2008-02-19 09:19 < eth01> he's only a child.
2008-02-19 09:19 < eth01> -.-
2008-02-19 09:19 * AAA^ eats
2008-02-19 09:19 * eth01 lurvssssss sarcsam
2008-02-19 09:19 < mechminx^> um is anyone here good at fixing WP:TONE problems
2008-02-19 09:19 < eth01> sarcasm
2008-02-19 09:20 * NotACow wonders what a "WP:TONE problem" is
2008-02-19 09:20 < zocky> an inflatable actual sheep?
2008-02-19 09:20 < NotACow> sounds like something out of scientology
2008-02-19 09:20 < AAA^> Trickz: /msg Memoserv del all
2008-02-19 09:20 < mechminx^> as in tone problems in the prose of wikipedia articles
2008-02-19 09:20 < aimaz> (14:16:16) NotACow: Trickz: i suspect that i may have children older than you are :)
2008-02-19 09:20 < NotACow> mechminx^: why didn't you say that in the first place?
2008-02-19 09:20 < aimaz> check with the child support agency?
2008-02-19 09:20 < AAA^> who's WP admin around here?
2008-02-19 09:20 < NotACow> aimaz: i know how old my children are. i don't know how old Trickz is. :)
2008-02-19 09:21 < Trickz> okay
2008-02-19 09:21 < Trickz> done
2008-02-19 09:21 < NotACow> !admin make the annoying person go away
2008-02-19 09:21 * NotACow will get yelled at for that
2008-02-19 09:21 < zocky> WP:SHIBBOLETH
2008-02-19 09:21 < NotASpy> the command you want is /quit, not !_admin
2008-02-19 09:21 < NotASpy> ;-)
2008-02-19 09:21 < AAA^> NOtASpy: you admin?
2008-02-19 09:21 < NotACow> NotASpy: hey, it's not MY fault that there's people whining for admins
2008-02-19 09:22 < NotASpy> this is true.
2008-02-19 09:22 < NotASpy> AAA^: howdy doody, what can I do to help thee ?
2008-02-19 09:22 < AAA^> could you delete these two pages? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gold_farming&redirect=no
2008-02-19 09:22 < AAA^> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gold_farming
2008-02-19 09:22 < AAA^> making a move
2008-02-19 09:22 < AAA^> they're in the way
2008-02-19 09:23 * Taggard makes an IRC RfC
2008-02-19 09:23 < Taggard> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tennessee_Dragoons
2008-02-19 09:23 < Taggard> should I have done this?
2008-02-19 09:23 < NotACow> you should make him fill out the form on the wiki.
2008-02-19 09:23 < NotACow> people shouldn't ask for admin assistance on irc
2008-02-19 09:23 < NotACow> that's unwiki, therefore evil.
2008-02-19 09:23 < NotACow> Taggard: it's too late now!
2008-02-19 09:23 < AAA^> who cares? GEt's the job done faster.
2008-02-19 09:23 * AAA^ shoots his keyboard
2008-02-19 09:23 < AAA^> WHY DOES IT ALWAYS PRINT TO CAPS LETTERS INSTEAD OF ONE????!!
2008-02-19 09:24 < AAA^> teo
2008-02-19 09:24 < NotACow> AAA^: using evil methods to achieve a positive result is still evil.
2008-02-19 09:24 < Taggard> NotACow: Well, I'm fishing for advice for thee future!
2008-02-19 09:24 < NotACow> Taggard: there's never anything wrong with nominating an article for deletion as long as it is done in good faith. did you do so in good faith?
2008-02-19 09:24 < Taggard> NotACow: I did
2008-02-19 09:24 < NotACow> Taggard: then you did the right thing.
2008-02-19 09:24 < Taggard> Heh
2008-02-19 09:24 < Taggard> <3
2008-02-19 09:25 < NotACow> Taggard: of course, wikipedians may feel otherwise, because they're a bunch of fucking idiots. but you'll get used to that.
2008-02-19 09:25 < Taggard> NotACow: Haha
2008-02-19 09:25 < Taggard> I think my userpage is very minimalistic compared to post
2008-02-19 09:25 < Taggard> most*
2008-02-19 09:25 < NotACow> Taggard: not as minimalist as mine!
2008-02-19 09:26 < NotASpy> AAA^: done.
2008-02-19 09:26 < Taggard> NotACow: Link?
2008-02-19 09:26 < Taggard> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Taggard
2008-02-19 09:26 < NotACow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kelly_Martin
2008-02-19 09:26 < Taggard> Damn!
2008-02-19 09:26 < Taggard> That sure is minimal.
2008-02-19 09:27 < Taggard> you should salt it for ultimate minimalisticism though.
2008-02-19 09:27 < mechminx^> is there anyone here that is good at upgrading articles
2008-02-19 09:27 < NotACow> Taggard: you should ditch some of those userboxes.
2008-02-19 09:27 < Aqwis> no, but we're all good at downgrading them :)
2008-02-19 09:27 < NotACow> Taggard: my "real" userpage (not that i edit there either) is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Kelly_Martin
2008-02-19 09:27 < Taggard> NotACow: Why, it matches the length of my page almost exavtly
2008-02-19 09:28 < NotACow> mechminx^: i used to be pretty good at that. but i don't do it anymore. :)
2008-02-19 09:28 < mechminx^> boy Kelly or girl Kelly?
2008-02-19 09:28 < NotACow> mechminx^: which would you prefer?
2008-02-19 09:28 < mechminx^> just curious is all
2008-02-19 09:28 < zocky> we're all androgynous bots here
2008-02-19 09:28 * DiGitalX is back after 1hr 25mins 8secs
2008-02-19 09:28 < mechminx^> i hate unisex names - always think of poor Evan Rachel Wood
2008-02-19 09:29 < NotACow> mechminx^: one of the reasons i chose my name is it's gender-ambiguous :)
2008-02-19 09:30 < NotACow> ha
2008-02-19 09:30 < NotACow> one of my images is all over people's user pages
2008-02-19 09:30 < mechminx^> you know what i mean though
2008-02-19 09:31 < mechminx^> unisex names are starting to cause problems in formal circles and paperwork
2008-02-19 09:31 < NotACow> apparently there is a "Stephen Colbert for President" userbox
2008-02-19 09:31 < NotACow> mechminx^: why? there are very few situations where someone's gender is of real significance
2008-02-19 09:31 * Taggard ponders if there is anything wrong with only contributating to wikipedia in administrative ways
2008-02-19 09:31 < NotACow> Taggard: content contributors will diss you
2008-02-19 09:32 < Taggard> NotACow: They can sod off
2008-02-19 09:32 * Taggard contributates what content he can, but isn't a very good writer
2008-02-19 09:32 * Taggard feels a contributation as a vandal fighter or dispute meditator or such is just as important
2008-02-19 09:32 * Taggard feels a lot of things
2008-02-19 09:32 < uberpenguin> if you want to know what happens if you try to follow that tact, look at amarkov
2008-02-19 09:32 < Aqwis> or article deletor, eh
2008-02-19 09:32 < NotACow> Taggard: and many people will claim that you lack a foundation in encyclopedic writing and cannot therefore offer guidance
2008-02-19 09:33 < Taggard> NotACow: I might agree I can't offer guidance in pure writing
2008-02-19 09:33 < uberpenguin> just don't ever do RfA and you'll be fine
2008-02-19 09:33 < NotACow> "This user opposes the use of capital punishment." "This user advocates the use of the death penality for certain criminal offenses." nice contradiction.
2008-02-19 09:34 < kenlyric> this user just clicks random things
2008-02-19 09:35 < uberpenguin> let's form a goon squad to delete all user boxes
2008-02-19 09:35 < uberpenguin> people always enjoy that
2008-02-19 09:36 < zocky> NotACow, maybe he thinks "capital punishment" is when they take your money?
2008-02-19 09:37 < Mike_H> NotACow: I'm sure that person thought capital punishment meant whipping your kids with a belt or something.
2008-02-19 09:38 * uberpenguin supports a beatin' the chillins
2008-02-19 09:38 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: You would, you Southerner
2008-02-19 09:38 < uberpenguin> Mike_H: I turned out okay and with minimal emotional damage
2008-02-19 09:38 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: The one time I got whooped with the belt, my mom broke it
2008-02-19 09:38 < Mike_H> and she was like "wtf" and it scared her
2008-02-19 09:38 < uberpenguin> it's not the only way, and its not a substitute for good parenting, but some chillins just need to have the tarnation beat out of them sometimes
2008-02-19 09:39 < Mike_H> so she stopped
2008-02-19 09:39 < zocky> <<Gëzuar Pavarësinë e Kosovës
2008-02-19 09:39 < zocky> Congratulation Independence of Kosova>> <-- albanian wikipedia main page
2008-02-19 09:39 < Mike_H> and it never happened again
2008-02-19 09:39 < uberpenguin> with me it wasn't always a belt... it was whatever was handy
2008-02-19 09:39 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: I remember I hid a report card from my mom
2008-02-19 09:39 < uberpenguin> tree branch... wooden spoon, ping pong paddle
2008-02-19 09:39 < Mike_H> and she hit me with her hairbrush
2008-02-19 09:39 < Mike_H> and then she broke a nail
2008-02-19 09:39 < Mike_H> and she yelled that I made her break the nail, so she hit me some more
2008-02-19 09:40 < zocky> you don't need to be violent with your kids
2008-02-19 09:40 < zocky> spanking a kid is about the humiliation, not the pain
2008-02-19 09:40 < Mike_H> zocky: Hey, I never hid a report card from my mother again
2008-02-19 09:40 < Mike_H> it's conditioning, basically.
2008-02-19 09:40 < uberpenguin> ... no, it's about the pain too
2008-02-19 09:40 < Mike_H> Kids know they're gonna get it if they do bad.
2008-02-19 09:40 < zocky> it works even without the pain, is what I'm saying
2008-02-19 09:40 < uberpenguin> some kids get a bit of discomfort better than an hour of talking
2008-02-19 09:40 < Mike_H> No kid wants to hear their parents talk.
2008-02-19 09:41 < Mike_H> They'll tune them out.
2008-02-19 09:41 < uberpenguin> yes, as I said, it's not the only way, but applied effectively, moderately, and with self control and proper parenting, it works
2008-02-19 09:41 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: Yeah
2008-02-19 09:41 < Mike_H> my mom was abusive
2008-02-19 09:41 < Mike_H> but never in the realm of physical
2008-02-19 09:41 < uberpenguin> I got the tar beat out of me many a-time, but I deserved it every time
2008-02-19 09:41 < Mike_H> it was emotional that left the scars.
2008-02-19 09:42 < uberpenguin> mmhm
2008-02-19 09:42 < zocky> in my experience with the nephew and kids of friends, the trick is to have a certain tone which the kid knows is non-negotiable
2008-02-19 09:42 < Mike_H> Oh, kids are shysty little shits.
2008-02-19 09:42 < Mike_H> They don't care about tone.
2008-02-19 09:42 < zocky> and to use that in moderation, and with total seriousness
2008-02-19 09:42 < uberpenguin> and kids will still test the boundaries of that
2008-02-19 09:42 < NotACow> Mike_H: they certainly are aware of it
2008-02-19 09:42 < NotACow> Mike_H: kids do test boundaries, but they are definitely aware of tone
2008-02-19 09:42 < zocky> uberpenguin, of course, and if they do, they get punished
2008-02-19 09:42 < Trickz> hey Mike_H
2008-02-19 09:42 < NotACow> Mike_H: the trick is to use the mean tone VERY infrequently
2008-02-19 09:43 < NotACow> Mike_H: overuse it and they stop respecting it
2008-02-19 09:43 < Mike_H> Yeah, aware to game the situation just so, so they don't get tone
2008-02-19 09:43 < AAA^> MY WORK IS DONE
2008-02-19 09:43 < Mike_H> hi Trickz
2008-02-19 09:43 < NotACow> did that to my daughter last night, actually
2008-02-19 09:43 < Mike_H> but that can be said for anything
2008-02-19 09:43 < Mike_H> I know I tested things JUST SO
2008-02-19 09:43 < NotACow> it works, too
2008-02-19 09:43 < Mike_H> so I didn't get a whoopin
2008-02-19 09:43 < uberpenguin> anyway, spanking is a method of discipline, not an excuse for lack of parenting
2008-02-19 09:43 < Mike_H> But trying tone on a teenager
2008-02-19 09:43 < Mike_H> like
2008-02-19 09:44 < Mike_H> yeah, okay
2008-02-19 09:44 < Mike_H> maybe you can "tone" a child
2008-02-19 09:44 < Mike_H> but a teenager, bitches, please
2008-02-19 09:44 < uberpenguin> but as I said, some kids get the point of physical discomfort better
2008-02-19 09:44 < zocky> Mike_H, the tone doesn't necessarily stop them from sulking and whining, but it does seem to stop them from doing stuff
2008-02-19 09:44 < Mike_H> A lot of my friends go, "Oh, I was never hit past age 11, then I could have overtaken my mother"
2008-02-19 09:44 < Mike_H> If I ever THOUGHT of trying to take my mother, she would have taken me OUT.
2008-02-19 09:44 < zocky> Mike_H, ah, with bigger kids it's of course powerplay
2008-02-19 09:44 < uberpenguin> same here
2008-02-19 09:45 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: My brother was 18 and he called my mom a bitch
2008-02-19 09:45 < Mike_H> she kicked him in the balls and then threw a teacup at his head when he tried to run away
2008-02-19 09:45 < Ningyou-> haha
2008-02-19 09:45 < uberpenguin> my "little" (280 lb) brother clashed with my mom a lot, but he knew better than to ever totally defy her... she would've literally made him sleep outside
2008-02-19 09:46 < Mike_H> I still wouldn't step to my mother today
2008-02-19 09:46 < Mike_H> and I'm 22.
2008-02-19 09:46 < uberpenguin> me neither... she'd beat me up
2008-02-19 09:46 < uberpenguin> 22 eh? I thought you were older than that for some reason
2008-02-19 09:47 < zocky> I was a cute little kid and got away with a lot, and got my way by whining many times. but if I tried hitting any of my parents, I would be spending a night at the police station or social services
2008-02-19 09:47 < kenlyric> pretty sure my mom could kick my ass
2008-02-19 09:47 < Ningyou-> my mom can't kick my ass
2008-02-19 09:47 < Ningyou-> neither can my father
2008-02-19 09:47 < Ningyou-> and they don't have to even try
2008-02-19 09:47 < zocky> mmmm... that didn't come out right
2008-02-19 09:47 < zocky> if I had tried, I would have spent the night
2008-02-19 09:48 < kenlyric> my mom got stabbed protecting a baby and fought of three drunk guys at a bar with a baseball bat.
2008-02-19 09:48 < uberpenguin> the ability of parents to "beat you up" has nothing to do with physical stature, but how much respect and authority they command
2008-02-19 09:48 < Ningyou-> where the hell do you live :D
2008-02-19 09:48 < Ningyou-> well my parent's cant beat me up on any level :P
2008-02-19 09:48 < uberpenguin> boy I got it bad for being disrespectful
2008-02-19 09:48 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: You've MET me.
2008-02-19 09:48 < zocky> uberpenguin, well, and the certainty that they will get help if they need to, and that you'll end up badly fucked up anyway
2008-02-19 09:48 < Mike_H> I graduated same class with Andrew.
2008-02-19 09:48 < Mike_H> Andrew's three months younger than me.
2008-02-19 09:48 < uberpenguin> omit a "ma'am" or "sir" and you were up for a mouth full of soap
2008-02-19 09:49 < uberpenguin> I don't know andrew that well, I assumed he was an undergraduate
2008-02-19 09:49 < uberpenguin> wait, are there more than one andrews?
2008-02-19 09:50 < Mike_H> uberpenguin: Andrew Guyton, dear.
2008-02-19 09:50 < uberpenguin> yeah, that one
2008-02-19 09:50 < Mike_H> Yeah, I went to middle and high school with him
2008-02-19 09:50 < Mike_H> we graduated together
2008-02-19 09:50 < Mike_H> in '04
2008-02-19 09:50 < uberpenguin> that a fact? I had no idea
2008-02-19 09:50 < Mike_H> yeah, I've known him for 10 years now
2008-02-19 09:51 < uberpenguin> huh
2008-02-19 09:51 < uberpenguin> so is he a graduate student?
2008-02-19 09:51 < Mike_H> no
2008-02-19 09:51 < Mike_H> he graduates in 2009
2008-02-19 09:52 < Mike_H> unless the five year plan is graduate
2008-02-19 09:52 < uberpenguin> ah, takin' his sweet time
2008-02-19 09:52 < Mike_H> I don't know
2008-02-19 09:52 < Mike_H> Hillary did five years too
2008-02-19 09:52 < uberpenguin> most of the "harder" degrees here take five years realistically
2008-02-19 09:52 < uberpenguin> unless you're a genius, and I only know two of them
2008-02-19 09:52 < Mike_H> yeah, they both did five
2008-02-19 09:52 < Mike_H> Hillary's graduating in May
2008-02-19 09:52 < Mike_H> he's graduating in 2009
2008-02-19 09:52 < uberpenguin> I know, I'm in a class with her right now
2008-02-19 09:52 < Mike_H> and Hillary's a year older than us
2008-02-19 09:53 < uberpenguin> through a strange twist of events
2008-02-19 09:53 < Mike_H> People keep asking me about COTA
2008-02-19 09:53 < Mike_H> and I'm like, uh, stop asking me, really
2008-02-19 09:53 < uberpenguin> yeah, I assumed that pretty much fizzled
2008-02-19 09:53 < Mike_H> Well, I made an offer
2008-02-19 09:53 < uberpenguin> I probably won't even be around this summer
2008-02-19 09:53 < Mike_H> to Wikia
2008-02-19 09:53 < Mike_H> pay me a fee to organize it and I will
2008-02-19 09:53 < Mike_H> and they didn't want to
2008-02-19 09:54 < Mike_H> and they were like "why don't you want to do it for free?"
2008-02-19 09:54 < uberpenguin> well there you go, your time is valuable too
2008-02-19 09:54 < Mike_H> and I was basically like "because I have bills and there aren't 48 hours in a day"
2008-02-19 09:54 < Mike_H> I don't think anyone WANTS to add a stressful high-intensity conference organization to their schedule.
2008-02-19 09:55 < uberpenguin> yeah, and the amount of help you'd be getting from us would be fairly small since we're all selfisly preoccupied with finishing school
2008-02-19 09:55 < Mike_H> I am absolutely in love with the idea but not with extra work if I'm not going to be reimbursed for my time.
2008-02-19 09:55 < uberpenguin> *selfishly, even
2008-02-19 09:55 < Mike_H> Well
2008-02-19 09:55 < Mike_H> I even said to them
2008-02-19 09:55 < Mike_H> I will do all the work myself if I quit my job and get a stipend from you for my work.
2008-02-19 09:55 < Mike_H> But they said no.
2008-02-19 09:56 < uberpenguin> well that's that
2008-02-19 09:56 < uberpenguin> maybe in a future year, maybe not
2008-02-19 09:56 < Mike_H> it may still happen
2008-02-19 09:56 < Mike_H> but it HINGES on my getting paid for it.
2008-02-19 09:56 < uberpenguin> it looks like I'll be around again in 2009
2008-02-19 09:56 * NotACow will start editing again when someone pays her to do it
2008-02-19 09:57 < NotACow> Mike_H: why should they pay you? practically everything else is done for free.
2008-02-19 09:57 * uberpenguin will start editing again when everything that pisses him off changes... i.e. never
2008-02-19 09:58 < NotACow> Mike_H: and you haven't sucked jimbo's cock enough.
2008-02-19 09:59 < Mike_H> Oh my God.
2008-02-19 09:59 < Mike_H> If that's a prerequisite I'll pass thx.
2008-02-19 10:00 < uberpenguin> yom yom
2008-02-19 10:02 * Backstretch will start editing again when birds make pig noises