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2008-02-18 18:24 < The359> Under the claim of it being his own work
2008-02-18 18:24 < The359> but it's actually a Porsche publicity photo
2008-02-18 18:29 * Paine thinks Leslie_S is having connection problems.
2008-02-18 18:30 * ST47 agrees
2008-02-18 18:37 * Therapist_Cat cuddles with ST47
2008-02-18 18:39 * LOUDER_CAT eats Roof_Cat
2008-02-18 18:40 < Aly> o_o
2008-02-18 18:40 < Aly> WOOT.
2008-02-18 18:40 < Aly> What do you think of meat and milk from cloned animals put into the food supply?
2008-02-18 18:41 < Aly> Anyone?
2008-02-18 18:41 < Aly> D;
2008-02-18 18:41 < The359> Tastes sacrelicious
2008-02-18 18:42 * Ceiling_Cat prefers to eat humans
2008-02-18 18:42 < geniice> Aly harmless
2008-02-18 18:42 < Ceiling_Cat> they're tasty and eating them is good for the environment
2008-02-18 18:42 < Aly> Hmm.
2008-02-18 18:42 < Ksero> aly, it makes the food supply more vulnerable (less genetic variety = more vulnerability to disease).
2008-02-18 18:43 < Aly> Really?
2008-02-18 18:43 < Ceiling_Cat> Aly - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoculture
2008-02-18 18:48 < Aly> What about adult/umbilical cord stem cells?
2008-02-18 18:48 < Aly> o_o
2008-02-18 18:48 < Aly> Do you think that's right or not.
2008-02-18 18:48 < bumm13> Aly: are you bringing that up just to be troublesome?
2008-02-18 18:49 < Aly> No
2008-02-18 18:49 < bumm13> ok :)
2008-02-18 18:49 < Aly> I
2008-02-18 18:50 < Aly> just want to see other people's opinions
2008-02-18 18:50 < Aly> about it.
2008-02-18 18:50 < Aly> To learn more info about it.
2008-02-18 18:50 < bumm13> there's probably a lot about the topic to be found via a Google search
2008-02-18 18:52 < Ksero> or maybe in the wikipedia article [[Stem cell controversy]] ?
2008-02-18 18:54 < Aly> Mk
2008-02-18 18:55 < Luna-San> Aly: Ultimately, it's not a very well-defined problem. People are missing the key question: what is or is not a human being?
2008-02-18 18:56 * privatemusings is a human being
2008-02-18 18:56 < privatemusings> sometimes.
2008-02-18 18:56 < Luna-San> And thus, we can't rip off parts of privatemusings for medical research. ;)
2008-02-18 18:56 < privatemusings> eeep
2008-02-18 18:57 < privatemusings> you can have my fingernails....
2008-02-18 18:57 < Luna-San> But let's take Chanserv. Not human. If ripping parts off chanserv would save lives, would you do it?
2008-02-18 18:57 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-02-18 18:57 < privatemusings> now ceiling cat....
2008-02-18 18:57 < publunch> miaow
2008-02-18 18:57 < privatemusings> i reckon we could probably get old school vivisection on him,,,,,,
2008-02-18 18:57 < privatemusings> ;-)
2008-02-18 18:57 * publunch loves muddypaws
2008-02-18 18:58 * Ceiling_Cat loves to watch publunch
2008-02-18 19:00 * publunch doesn't love inge http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1041973116
2008-02-18 19:03 * publunch puts Universe_Cat in Dr. Schoedinger's cat basket.
2008-02-18 19:11 < legotech> hi
2008-02-18 19:13 < Ceiling_Cat> oh sweet!
2008-02-18 19:13 < Ceiling_Cat> any family guy fans in here?
2008-02-18 19:13 < Arwen> Family Guy sucks
2008-02-18 19:14 < Ceiling_Cat> I think the photo submission queue just got it's first quasi A-list celebrity submission
2008-02-18 19:14 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Alex Borstein]] - the voice of Lois Griffin
2008-02-18 19:16 < Ceiling_Cat> Unless you count the Guthries
2008-02-18 19:18 < NotASpy> I was going to offer to help with that queue. Totally forgot. Ah well.
2008-02-18 19:19 < Ceiling_Cat> Actually, here's what I want
2008-02-18 19:19 < Ceiling_Cat> I want the the contact page translated
2008-02-18 19:20 < Ceiling_Cat> into every other language Wikipedia, and to every sister project
2008-02-18 19:30 < NotASpy> hmm, there's nothing about Photo Submission on Commons, that I can see.
2008-02-18 19:38 < Mercerism> is there a program i can use to compare two transcriptions i write to see any errors
2008-02-18 19:38 < Mercerism> like the way you can compare versions of articles on wiki
2008-02-18 19:38 < Mercerism> im tempted to write a book twice to make sure theres no errors
2008-02-18 19:40 < kmccoy> What format are the files?
2008-02-18 19:42 < bumm13> hiya kmccoy
2008-02-18 19:42 < Mercerism> the format is microsoft word
2008-02-18 19:42 < kmccoy> Hey, bumm13! :)
2008-02-18 19:43 < kmccoy> Mercerism, MS Word will do that itself, if I recall correctly.
2008-02-18 19:43 < bumm13> are you stateside?
2008-02-18 19:43 < kmccoy> Yep. Erie, PA
2008-02-18 19:43 < bumm13> ah
2008-02-18 19:43 < Mercerism> i want a program that compares two word files for differences
2008-02-18 19:43 < bumm13> how's the Pennsylvania Coast right now? ;)O
2008-02-18 19:43 < bumm13> * ;)
2008-02-18 19:43 < kmccoy> Mercerism, in the tools menu, I have "compare and merge documents".
2008-02-18 19:44 < Mercerism> oh
2008-02-18 19:44 < Mercerism> ok
2008-02-18 19:44 < kmccoy> bumm13, it was snowing earlier, but it seems to have let up. I'm sitting in our tour bus, trying to make the mobile internet work properly. :)
2008-02-18 19:44 < Mercerism> my version doesnt have that
2008-02-18 19:45 < bumm13> heh, I see
2008-02-18 19:46 < bumm13> it's actually gotten nice here in western Wash. the past few days
2008-02-18 19:46 < bumm13> (still cold at night though)
2008-02-18 19:47 < kmccoy> I'm hoping for some nicer weather tomorrow, it's a long day of load-in, two shows, load-out and then we hit the road for Chicago, and start setting up the show there on Wednesday.
2008-02-18 19:47 < Mercerism> what show
2008-02-18 19:48 < kmccoy> Go Diego Go Live.
2008-02-18 19:48 < Mercerism> oh
2008-02-18 19:49 < Taggard> Hello Mesousa
2008-02-18 19:49 < Mesousa> Hello.
2008-02-18 19:49 * Mesousa hugs Taggard hello.
2008-02-18 19:49 * Mesousa hugs Kathryn hello too.
2008-02-18 19:49 < Kathryn> hi
2008-02-18 19:51 < Mercerism> if discovery channel really cared about elephants it would show the elephant getting shot and rendered for its ivory and meat instead of it walking in the logo
2008-02-18 19:51 < Kathryn> I am sensitive to animals being killed
2008-02-18 19:52 < The359> erm...
2008-02-18 19:52 < The359> how is that "caring", Mercerism?
2008-02-18 19:53 < Mercerism> because elephants are being slaughtered
2008-02-18 19:53 < Arwen> So we ought to glorify it?
2008-02-18 19:53 < Mercerism> discovery channel should show that instead of animals not being killed
2008-02-18 19:53 < Mercerism> no, discovery channel is hiding the wholesale slaughter of animals like president bush is hiding poverty in america
2008-02-18 19:53 < Arwen> Anyway, if the Discovery Channel cared about human health, they ought to kill the elephants themselves and sell the meat to starving villagers.
2008-02-18 19:54 < The359> Discovery Channel is about science
2008-02-18 19:54 < The359> and studying
2008-02-18 19:54 < ST47> Yes, because all people care about is animals being killed.
2008-02-18 19:54 < Arwen> THERE IS NO POVERTY IN AMERICA
2008-02-18 19:54 < The359> Slaughtered animals aren't exactly something that's being studied
2008-02-18 19:54 < ST47> That would certainly get more viewers
2008-02-18 19:54 < ST47> ooh, bani
2008-02-18 19:54 < ST47> :)
2008-02-18 19:54 < Mike_H> yeah
2008-02-18 19:54 < Mike_H> I was a bit over that yesterday.
2008-02-18 19:54 < Mike_H> Who let him back in?
2008-02-18 19:54 * ST47 sends cookies
2008-02-18 19:54 < ST47> dircbot did
2008-02-18 19:55 < NotACow> DEATH TO COOKIES
2008-02-18 20:01 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-18 20:01 < NotACow> !admin NEED MORE COWBELL
2008-02-18 20:02 < NotASpy> ding ding
2008-02-18 20:04 < Crazytales> Hey
2008-02-18 20:05 < Crazytales> Anyone have any ideas for the name of a city?
2008-02-18 20:05 < Miranda> is this the headquarters for presidential debate 2008 - wikipedia :-P
2008-02-18 20:05 < Crazytales> [[User:Sandmouse]] is writing a story and needs a city name.
2008-02-18 20:05 < Miranda> Crazytales: what kind of city?
2008-02-18 20:05 < Crazytales> Miranda: A midwest/northwest city on a river
2008-02-18 20:05 < Crazytales> They built a mini-city on an island in the river for a World's Fair
2008-02-18 20:05 < Miranda> erie
2008-02-18 20:06 < Crazytales> then after the W.F. they sold the buildings to businesses
2008-02-18 20:06 < Crazytales> but that didn't work out, so they sold them as housing
2008-02-18 20:06 < Crazytales> but that still didn't work out, so they eliminated property taxes
2008-02-18 20:07 < Crazytales> that brought a few people in, but it was ultimately unsuccessful
2008-02-18 20:07 < Crazytales> so the city just decided to leave the buildings there since it would be too expensive to demolish
2008-02-18 20:08 < Miranda> o.O
2008-02-18 20:08 < Miranda> ok
2008-02-18 20:08 < Miranda> I don't donate to CC-BY-NC-ND
2008-02-18 20:08 < Miranda> sorry
2008-02-18 20:08 < cremepuff222> !admin
2008-02-18 20:08 < Crazytales> and Erie is already a town Miranda
2008-02-18 20:09 < Crazytales> cremepuff222: ays
2008-02-18 20:09 < Miranda> ok
2008-02-18 20:09 < Miranda> cremepuff222: u are an admin
2008-02-18 20:09 < cremepuff222> :-D
2008-02-18 20:09 < NotASpy> what's up ?
2008-02-18 20:09 < Crazytales> ays = at your service
2008-02-18 20:09 * cremepuff222 apologizes.
2008-02-18 20:10 * kmccoy is in Erie.
2008-02-18 20:10 < Crazytales> kmccoy: PA?
2008-02-18 20:10 < kmccoy> Yes.
2008-02-18 20:11 < kmccoy> Just until tomorrow night. Then we head to Chicago.
2008-02-18 20:11 < Kathryn> hi
2008-02-18 20:12 < NotACow> w00t
2008-02-18 20:12 < NotACow> chicago is full of bees!
2008-02-18 20:12 < Miranda> hi Kathryn
2008-02-18 20:12 < zocky> an english journalist about a french train: <<On the other hand, the restaurant car was roomy, with silverware, clean glasses, attentive service – and good, freshly-cooked food (apart from the side dish of tinned vegetables).>>
2008-02-18 20:12 < zocky> now i wonder, does he mean "silverware" as in actual silver dishes and/or cuttlery, or he just means metallic
2008-02-18 20:12 * kmccoy catches Chicago's bees for meals on the bus.
2008-02-18 20:13 < kenlyric> metallic
2008-02-18 20:13 < kenlyric> in fact, "plastic silverware" is used.
2008-02-18 20:13 < zocky> so, they give you plustic forks and knives on english trains?
2008-02-18 20:13 < kenlyric> he means the eating utensils
2008-02-18 20:13 < kenlyric> no, i mean the term "plastic silverware" is used in general.
2008-02-18 20:13 < kenlyric> so the "silver" doesn't imply silver
2008-02-18 20:13 < kenlyric> anymore
2008-02-18 20:13 < Master_Bigode> .
2008-02-18 20:14 < ST47> ?
2008-02-18 20:14 < Crazytales> side dish of tinned vegetables ? lol
2008-02-18 20:14 < zocky> i mean, why would he be surprised that you get forks and knives in a restarurant table?
2008-02-18 20:14 < zocky> bah
2008-02-18 20:14 < zocky> on a train restaurant table?
2008-02-18 20:14 < kenlyric> zocky: surprised it's metal instead of plastic?
2008-02-18 20:14 < shimgray> "silverware" is silver plates, cups, etc in British English; "cutlery" in American English
2008-02-18 20:14 < Kathryn> lets call it plastiletal
2008-02-18 20:14 < zocky> kenlyric, yeah, that's how I parsed it
2008-02-18 20:15 < zocky> which means that in UK they give you plastic cuttlery to eat in a train restaurant, I guess
2008-02-18 20:15 < kenlyric> zocky: don't listen to me
2008-02-18 20:15 < kenlyric> listen to shimgray
2008-02-18 20:15 < bumm13> yay plasticware!
2008-02-18 20:16 < Crazytales> shimgray: uh, it's silverware in American English, or at least Michigan English
2008-02-18 20:16 < shimgray> (My Canadian housemate would probably say that the household silverware was our knife-and-fork drawer. I'd say it was that one silver spoon we have)
2008-02-18 20:16 < Kathryn> I like metal
2008-02-18 20:16 < kenlyric> i should have guess british english from tinned veggies.
2008-02-18 20:16 < Kathryn> especially after it's been cleaned
2008-02-18 20:16 < Kathryn> feels os so warm to touch ^^
2008-02-18 20:16 < kenlyric> i've never eaten off a silver plate.
2008-02-18 20:16 < shimgray> it might be actual silvered cutlery, mind you, which is not implausible though a bit unlikely
2008-02-18 20:17 < shimgray> silver cutlery, yes, anything else is silly
2008-02-18 20:17 < Crazytales> it's a silverware drawer in our house :p
2008-02-18 20:17 < shimgray> (it tends to be decorative not usable unless you're particularly wealthy)
2008-02-18 20:17 < kenlyric> so, it's a vague term :)
2008-02-18 20:18 < shimgray> mmm. in that context, ambiguous, but we can reasonably say the restaurant car was good quality :-)
2008-02-18 20:19 < zocky> shimgray, yeah, I'm just trying to figure out if it was actual good quality, or just good quality for a brit :)
2008-02-18 20:19 < Crazytales> lol
2008-02-18 20:20 < zocky> i mean, if you're looking for good food or good trains or any combination thereof, UK is not where to start
2008-02-18 20:21 < shimgray> oh, I dunno, there are good bits
2008-02-18 20:21 < Mike_H> STEAK N KIDNEY POIE
2008-02-18 20:21 < shimgray> sunday afternoon on the ECML in first-class is a joy to behold. even cattle class is better than most flying
2008-02-18 20:22 < zocky> shimgray, it's probably more expensive than flying too
2008-02-18 20:22 < shimgray> not really - certainly not much slower, once you factor in airport hassle and getting there
2008-02-18 20:22 < Kathryn> i love kitties
2008-02-18 20:22 < shimgray> you can get a cheap weekend first-class bounce for a tenner
2008-02-18 20:22 < bumm13> =^o.o^=
2008-02-18 20:23 < zocky> the last time I rode a train in england, it was bizarrely expensive and unbelievably dirty
2008-02-18 20:23 < shimgray> The trick is to plan ahead and not take local services.
2008-02-18 20:23 < zocky> i just went from reading to oxford and back
2008-02-18 20:23 < shimgray> (says the voice of long and weary experience)
2008-02-18 20:23 < NotACow> ECML?
2008-02-18 20:23 < shimgray> Yeah, that's the sort of train to avoid. You're on the Paddington commuter line. Ugh.
2008-02-18 20:24 < shimgray> NotACow: East Coast Main Line; London-York-Edinburgh
2008-02-18 20:24 < NotACow> shimgray: trains suck in the US. but we have a lot further to go.
2008-02-18 20:24 < shimgray> five hours or so, KX to Waverley, and a lot less stressful than flying
2008-02-18 20:25 < NotACow> shimgray: a transcon train trip in the US is three days
2008-02-18 20:25 < NotACow> shimgray: six to eight hours by plane
2008-02-18 20:25 < shimgray> Well, if you will have such a misshapen country...
2008-02-18 20:25 < NotACow> shimgray: and the train ticket will cost threet imes as much
2008-02-18 20:26 < NotACow> shimgray: yeah, the united states is just too fucking large.
2008-02-18 20:26 < shimgray> I didn't say it was the solution to all of man's ills, but it works well here
2008-02-18 20:26 < zocky> NotACow, a french or spanish train can do 20,000 km in three days
2008-02-18 20:26 < NotACow> zocky: the french have high speed trains.
2008-02-18 20:26 < NotASpy> at least with the ECML trains, you get free wireless internet and a power socket to plug your laptop into.
2008-02-18 20:27 < zocky> spanyards now have this nice system where you can be a tourist sucker and pay a lot for a train ticket, or plan a bit ahead and take one of the two trains a day that cost less than half of the others
2008-02-18 20:28 < zocky> you don't get the free earphone set on the cheap one, though
2008-02-18 20:28 < zocky> (that was the only difference I noticed in the quality)
2008-02-18 20:28 < shimgray> we're just also geared up less for flying
2008-02-18 20:29 < NotASpy> France and Spain need high speed rail - the highest speeds we can justify in Britain are 140mph instead of the 190mph. There's just not the distance between stations in Britain to allow trains to reach 190mph
2008-02-18 20:29 < shimgray> I'm in a major city, but to fly home I'd need to travel to London or Birmingham and then out to the airport, which easily puts a two-hour overhead on the journey
2008-02-18 20:30 < zocky> NotASpy, london-glasgow seems far enough
2008-02-18 20:30 < shimgray> zocky: Nah. Major cities all along the way
2008-02-18 20:30 < NotASpy> to twisty, and there's about a dozen stations they call at on the West Coast Line.
2008-02-18 20:30 < shimgray> In Yorkshire, you're easily stopping every twenty minutes
2008-02-18 20:30 < zocky> shimgray, you don't have to stop in every one of them
2008-02-18 20:30 < futurist> has anyone seen anythign like a wikipedia for arguments, rather than facts?
2008-02-18 20:30 < shimgray> zocky: Even so... fwiw, the east-coast express run is four stops over ~400mi
2008-02-18 20:31 < NotASpy> Milton Keynes, Rugby, Brum, Crew, Preston, Wakefield, Oxenholme, Carlisle, and Glasgow to name but a few.
2008-02-18 20:31 < NotASpy> *Crewe, even.
2008-02-18 20:32 < zocky> of course, I don't expect any real development in british railways until they're renationalized
2008-02-18 20:32 < NotASpy> they're bumbling along in roughly the right direction.
2008-02-18 20:33 < zocky> expensive infrastructure and service economy don't mix that well
2008-02-18 20:34 < Master_Bigode> .
2008-02-18 20:34 < zocky> the only privatization of infrastructure that ever worked was telecoms
2008-02-18 20:34 < zocky> and it's impossible to tell even there
2008-02-18 20:34 < zocky> most large european telecoms aren't really privately-owned
2008-02-18 20:35 < zocky> they're just owned by large telecom corporations that are owned by their governments
2008-02-18 20:35 < NotASpy> there's a lot of manufacturing in Britain, and the railways are quite important to companies like Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, LDV, Toyota, BMW, Nissan and so on for shifting cars, engines and such across the country and into Europe.
2008-02-18 20:36 < NotASpy> we export more cars now than we did when the British owned car industry was at it's peak, apparently.
2008-02-18 20:36 < zocky> and the privatization of telecoms coincided with the technological revolution in telecommunications, so it's impossible to tell whether the service is now better (on average) because of the privatization or the technology advances.
2008-02-18 20:36 < shimgray> right, bedtime
2008-02-18 20:36 < shimgray> night all
2008-02-18 20:41 < Master_Bigode> .
2008-02-18 20:41 < quanticle> zocky: Much like American railroads?
2008-02-18 20:42 < zocky> quanticle, what is like american railroads?
2008-02-18 20:42 < quanticle> zocky: They're slowly bumbling in the right direction...
2008-02-18 20:43 < zocky> quanticle, ah, that was NotASpy who said that about british ones
2008-02-18 20:43 < quanticle> zocky: Ah. Sorry 'bout that...
2008-02-18 20:43 < zocky> i don't really know about american trains these days
2008-02-18 20:43 < zocky> are they getting any better?
2008-02-18 20:44 < ST47> Master_Bigode: do you plan on adding anything constructive?
2008-02-18 20:44 < quanticle> zocky: American freight rail is surprisingly healthy, given rail's economy in the face of high fuel prices.
2008-02-18 20:44 < quanticle> zocky: Passenger rail is a whole another story...
2008-02-18 20:44 < quanticle> zocky: Amtrak has been slowly dying for ages...
2008-02-18 20:44 < zocky> isn't the network electrified?
2008-02-18 20:45 < zocky> oil prices only have indirect effects on railroads in europe, I'd say
2008-02-18 20:45 < bumm13> Amtrak is horrible
2008-02-18 20:45 < zocky> most trains run on electricity and in places like france, most electiricity is from nuclear plants
2008-02-18 20:46 < quanticle> zocky: American rail? Hell no.
2008-02-18 20:46 < quanticle> zocky: That'd require stringing up a LOT of power lines.
2008-02-18 20:46 < quanticle> zocky: We run diesel engines here...
2008-02-18 20:46 < zocky> quanticle, yeah, but they actually have a rail track running along those lines
2008-02-18 20:46 < zocky> which makes the whole stringing up thing a LOT easier
2008-02-18 20:47 < g666rl> hello zocky
2008-02-18 20:47 < g666rl> all
2008-02-18 20:47 < quanticle> zocky: Our network was never electrified because electricity lines are one more things that have to be maintained, and they require more maintenance than standard rails.
2008-02-18 20:47 < zocky> hečč
2008-02-18 20:47 < zocky> hello even
2008-02-18 20:47 < quanticle> zocky: We have a lot of remote, open rail lines that would be hell to maintain...
2008-02-18 20:48 < Master_Bigode> @ST47, my Internet connection ... sucks. I need to do something otherwise it stops receiving data.
2008-02-18 20:48 < zocky> quanticle, I don't see why that would be the case
2008-02-18 20:48 < quanticle> zocky: Or, rather, would be hell to maintain if they were electrified
2008-02-18 20:48 < g666rl> quanticle: where do u live?
2008-02-18 20:48 < zocky> quanticle, the way they maintain them here is they have special trains for that, which run along the line and fix stuff
2008-02-18 20:48 < quanticle> g666rl: America
2008-02-18 20:49 < g666rl> wow, your trains are not electric?
2008-02-18 20:49 < ST47> a /ping to chanserv would be less disruptive
2008-02-18 20:49 < quanticle> g666rl: Nope
2008-02-18 20:49 < g666rl> wow!!!!!!!!!
2008-02-18 20:49 < quanticle> g666rl: We have diesel engines
2008-02-18 20:49 < g666rl> i sooo didn't know that
2008-02-18 20:49 < zocky> brb
2008-02-18 20:50 < g666rl> and still those fools denied that cheap oil had anything to do with america's power in the world, rather than the smartness of its people
2008-02-18 20:50 * Mike_H NP: Elton John - Mama Can't Buy You Love (1979)
2008-02-18 20:51 * g666rl ayla - additive
2008-02-18 20:51 < quanticle> g666rl: We have diesels much like this: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=223223&nseq=4
2008-02-18 20:51 < Warpath> buy Mama can buy me a new pair of pants :P
2008-02-18 20:51 < Warpath> but*
2008-02-18 20:51 < g666rl> does anyone know the name of this music: ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_1i9xwvyM
2008-02-18 20:52 < AdamBishop> today I actually asked a grieving widow "are you okay?"
2008-02-18 20:52 < g666rl> and is that questionable kiddie pics
2008-02-18 20:52 < Arwen> I dunno, maybe it's "Is Harry on Boat?"
2008-02-18 20:52 < AdamBishop> I am so retarded
2008-02-18 20:52 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: It could have been worse
2008-02-18 20:52 < Mike_H> you could have asked her why she was crying.
2008-02-18 20:53 < Crazytales> anyone know what they caLL usb flash drives in Central America?
2008-02-18 20:53 < AdamBishop> well I was trying to be nice. My cousin's family blames her for his death, it's a huge fiasco. Everyone hates her.
2008-02-18 20:53 < g666rl> Arwen: yah it was from that movie but it didn't have a soundtrack list in its credits, so
2008-02-18 20:54 < Mike_H> What did she do, drown him?
2008-02-18 20:54 < AdamBishop> I don't like funerals but is it wrong for me to appreciate the irony that it took place on [[Family Day]]?
2008-02-18 20:54 < AdamBishop> no he just killed himself. She didn't do anything
2008-02-18 20:54 < g666rl> Crazytales: flasho drivesOs
2008-02-18 20:54 < Mike_H> Oh.
2008-02-18 20:54 < g666rl> Crazytales: flashOS drivesOs
2008-02-18 20:54 < Mike_H> Then it's his fault.
2008-02-18 20:54 * Mike_H NP: Billy Joel - The Longest Time (1984)
2008-02-18 20:55 < AdamBishop> yes.
2008-02-18 20:55 < Mike_H> Unless she put the noose around his neck or fired the bullet, she's all good to go.
2008-02-18 20:55 < g666rl> Mike how old was he and she?
2008-02-18 20:55 < Crazytales> g666rl: no me gusto nada el spanisho fako.
2008-02-18 20:56 < Mike_H> g666rl: Why are you asking me? It wasn't my cousin.
2008-02-18 20:56 < g666rl> so, Mike, if i lock you up in cage with Aliens and give you a gun with just one bullet, i'm not responsible?
2008-02-18 20:56 < bumm13> Mike_H!
2008-02-18 20:57 < Crazytales> j #wikipedia-es
2008-02-18 20:57 < g666rl> Crazytales: lo siento. no lo se y esta muy tarde aqui
2008-02-18 20:57 < Mike_H> g666rl: Are you on crack?
2008-02-18 20:57 < AdamBishop> it's my cousin, he was 28, and his wife is 35 or something (and their daughter is 7)
2008-02-18 20:57 < Mike_H> AdamBishop: Oh, your cousin was the one who died
2008-02-18 20:57 < Mike_H> I thought your cousin was the wife
2008-02-18 20:57 < Crazytales> g666rl: tu sabes espanol cuando vives en los paisses bajos?
2008-02-18 20:57 < g666rl> Mike I'm trying to make the point that ppl can drive each other to suicide, humorously
2008-02-18 20:58 < bumm13> heya AdamBishop
2008-02-18 20:58 < AdamBishop> hey bumm
2008-02-18 20:58 < g666rl> Crazytales: si conozco finlandes tambien, y que?
2008-02-18 20:59 < g666rl> mike, in fact spouses have this power especially, and very easily
2008-02-18 20:59 < Crazytales> g666rl: tetralingue?
2008-02-18 20:59 < g666rl> septo
2008-02-18 21:00 < Crazytales> what other languages do you know?
2008-02-18 21:00 < g666rl> je peux parler un peu de Francais
2008-02-18 21:00 < g666rl> Jeg kan prater Norsk ogsaa
2008-02-18 21:01 < g666rl> men jag kan taler Svensk
2008-02-18 21:01 < Crazytales> Cool
2008-02-18 21:01 < g666rl> Gli Italiani no sei molto dificile: Tu sei pazzo
2008-02-18 21:01 < g666rl> or pazza if you're a girl
2008-02-18 21:02 < g666rl> you either have hobbies to prevent yourself from suicidal boredom, or you don't ;)
2008-02-18 21:03 < Mike_H> Mine's called a job.
2008-02-18 21:03 < bumm13> hmm, Youtube's media player deal has a new look
2008-02-18 21:03 < g666rl> Mike if one spouse cheats on the other, I can imagine that other is in a impossible dilemma? should they choose between selfrespect and leave or responsiblity and take care of the kids
2008-02-18 21:04 < g666rl> especially if you still love the otehr
2008-02-18 21:04 < Mike_H> g666rl: My mother chose "responsibility and take care of the kids."
2008-02-18 21:04 < g666rl> sure mike most ppl deal sensibly
2008-02-18 21:04 < g666rl> but not everybody
2008-02-18 21:04 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-18 21:04 < g666rl> or wait
2008-02-18 21:04 < Mike_H> My mother could have left.
2008-02-18 21:04 < g666rl> what did you say
2008-02-18 21:04 < Mike_H> I was 15, and the last one at home.
2008-02-18 21:04 < g666rl> aha
2008-02-18 21:04 < g666rl> sorry
2008-02-18 21:04 < g666rl> reading
2008-02-18 21:04 < g666rl> its late
2008-02-18 21:04 < NotACow> and besides you were hopeless anyway
2008-02-18 21:05 < NotACow> so really why bother?
2008-02-18 21:05 < bumm13> Mike_H: I remember hearing that song on the radio at lot in the 80s
2008-02-18 21:05 < Mike_H> NotACow: takes one to know one, lovey
2008-02-18 21:05 < danny{SL}`> drat
2008-02-18 21:05 < g666rl> so who thinks as well McCains gonna win it?
2008-02-18 21:05 < g666rl> in november
2008-02-18 21:06 < Mike_H> bumm13: It's still played a lot now
2008-02-18 21:06 < Mike_H> on soft rock stations
2008-02-18 21:06 < Mike_H> and such
2008-02-18 21:06 < DannyLilithborne> what song?
2008-02-18 21:06 < Mike_H> "The Longest Time"
2008-02-18 21:06 < Mike_H> 1984 song by Billy Joel
2008-02-18 21:06 * IceKarma stabs Mike_H.
2008-02-18 21:06 < Mike_H> NotACow knows it! She's old enough.
2008-02-18 21:06 < DannyLilithborne> Billy Joel owns
2008-02-18 21:06 < DannyLilithborne> if you disagree, die
2008-02-18 21:06 < DannyLilithborne> :D
2008-02-18 21:07 < Mike_H> DannyLilithborne: My favorite song of his is "Tell Her About It"
2008-02-18 21:07 < DannyLilithborne> hmm
2008-02-18 21:07 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omFqlr_kso0
2008-02-18 21:07 < Kathryn> hi
2008-02-18 21:07 < DannyLilithborne> i like Miami 2017
2008-02-18 21:07 < g666rl> "Pressure"
2008-02-18 21:07 < DannyLilithborne> not sure if it's my favorite
2008-02-18 21:07 < DannyLilithborne> lots of good ones
2008-02-18 21:08 < IceKarma> Mike_H, Flying Pickets - Only You
2008-02-18 21:08 < g666rl> "Pressure" had a great clip
2008-02-18 21:08 < Mike_H> g666rl: I like the music video layout for Tell Her About It better
2008-02-18 21:08 < Mike_H> a recreation of the Sullivan show
2008-02-18 21:08 < Mike_H> a cameo by Rodney Dangerfield
2008-02-18 21:08 < DannyLilithborne> River of Dreams, Don't Ask Me Why, All for Leyna
2008-02-18 21:08 < g666rl> Mike i don't like the song as much
2008-02-18 21:08 < DannyLilithborne> Tell Her About It is a great song
2008-02-18 21:09 < g666rl> ed sullivan?
2008-02-18 21:09 < Mike_H> the ending is a good one too, Rodney thinks Sullivan is going to introduce his act next, but he introduces "Petruschka the Dancing Bear" instead
2008-02-18 21:09 < Mike_H> so Sullivan.
2008-02-18 21:09 < Mike_H> g666rl: yeah
2008-02-18 21:09 < g666rl> hmmm
2008-02-18 21:09 < DannyLilithborne> but my favorite video of his is that one about history
2008-02-18 21:09 < DannyLilithborne> :D
2008-02-18 21:09 < Mike_H> We Didn't Start the Fire?
2008-02-18 21:09 < g666rl> Mad magazine did something about the ed sullivan show
2008-02-18 21:09 < DannyLilithborne> yep.
2008-02-18 21:09 < DannyLilithborne> i just don't like using the name... it's got a bad rap
2008-02-18 21:10 < g666rl> on hindsight that song seems a bit self righteous
2008-02-18 21:10 < Mike_H> g666rl: Whoever they hired to play Ed Sullivan in the Tell Her About It video was really good
2008-02-18 21:10 < Mike_H> he got him really spot-on and did it with just the right amount of parody.
2008-02-18 21:10 < DannyLilithborne> not even sure what "We didn't start the fire" is really about
2008-02-18 21:11 < DannyLilithborne> but I like the song and the video is great
2008-02-18 21:11 < Mike_H> The events of Billy Joel's life
2008-02-18 21:11 < Mike_H> (he had turned 40)
2008-02-18 21:11 < Mike_H> from 1949-1989
2008-02-18 21:11 < DannyLilithborne> oh wait, i know my favorite billy joel song
2008-02-18 21:11 < DannyLilithborne> "New York State of Mind"
2008-02-18 21:11 < DannyLilithborne> well, either that or Scenes from an Italian Restaurant ... depends on my mood
2008-02-18 21:13 < g666rl> Mad magazine did something about the ed sullivan show: oh yea there was this quiz:
2008-02-18 21:13 < g666rl> "Has the Ed Sullivan Show entertained American families for 23 years? Yes or No answer!
2008-02-18 21:13 < ST47> no.
2008-02-18 21:13 < g666rl> and the answer was: "NO"
2008-02-18 21:13 < Mike_H> g666rl: Well! Don't let my mother hear you say that
2008-02-18 21:13 < g666rl> since the key word in that question was 'Entertain'
2008-02-18 21:14 < Mike_H> haha, harsh :p
2008-02-18 21:14 < Mike_H> g666rl: Around the same time Mad did a parody of the Winston cigarette ads
2008-02-18 21:14 < g666rl> mad magazine can be harsh
2008-02-18 21:14 < DannyLilithborne> yeah, Mad is funny sometimes but usually they are just annoying
2008-02-18 21:14 < DannyLilithborne> fun to read on airplanes though
2008-02-18 21:14 < Mike_H> and there were gravestones
2008-02-18 21:14 < Mike_H> "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should."
2008-02-18 21:14 < Mike_H> "That's not grammatically correct!"
2008-02-18 21:14 < Mike_H> "What do you want, good grammar or good taste?"
2008-02-18 21:14 < Mike_H> "I want my old lungs back."
2008-02-18 21:14 < g666rl> :)
2008-02-18 21:15 < NotACow> Mike_H: whend did you eat winston, and was it good?
2008-02-18 21:15 < g666rl> so does no one no this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_1i9xwvyM
2008-02-18 21:15 < Mike_H> NotACow: I ate one of my mother's cigarettes when I was in fourth grade because I wanted to get sick and miss school
2008-02-18 21:15 < Mike_H> so, yeah, I'll never do that again
2008-02-18 21:15 < g666rl> KNOW this
2008-02-18 21:15 < Mike_H> and NO it wasn't a Winston.
2008-02-18 21:15 < NotACow> Mike_H: i was thinking of a different meaning of "eat" :)
2008-02-18 21:16 < Mike_H> NotACow: :O
2008-02-18 21:16 < NotACow> Mike_H: have you ever done a guy named Winston?
2008-02-18 21:16 < g666rl> a different winston, too>?
2008-02-18 21:16 < Mike_H> haha
2008-02-18 21:16 < Mike_H> no
2008-02-18 21:16 < Mike_H> I tend to do people in my age bracket
2008-02-18 21:16 < Mike_H> and they're not named Winston anymore ;)
2008-02-18 21:16 < g666rl> mike is gay?
2008-02-18 21:17 < Mike_H> The most important question here is
2008-02-18 21:17 < Mike_H> When was Mike not gay?
2008-02-18 21:17 < The359> 3 years ago
2008-02-18 21:17 < Mike_H> liar.
2008-02-18 21:17 < Mike_H> :<
2008-02-18 21:17 < g666rl> if you are gay, i would be interested to know something
2008-02-18 21:17 * Mike_H came out seven years ago in June
2008-02-18 21:17 < The359> I know about your experimenting
2008-02-18 21:17 < The359> bitch
2008-02-18 21:17 < Mike_H> YOU DO NOT
2008-02-18 21:17 * Mike_H covers his ears
2008-02-18 21:17 < The359> So you aren't denying that you experimented?
2008-02-18 21:18 < Mike_H> Who doesn't at that age?
2008-02-18 21:18 * Mike_H weeps
2008-02-18 21:18 < g666rl> Come on, you're the only Gay in the Viilage now
2008-02-18 21:18 < NotACow> g666rl: small village
2008-02-18 21:18 < g666rl> and the only gays i know were really old when they even knew they were gay
2008-02-18 21:19 < Mike_H> g666rl: Where are you from?
2008-02-18 21:19 < Warpath> O_O
2008-02-18 21:19 < g666rl> NotACow: U Didnt get the Little Britain ref?
2008-02-18 21:19 < Kathryn> I am Bi
2008-02-18 21:19 < NotACow> g666rl: of course
2008-02-18 21:19 < NotACow> g666rl: and daffyd lives in a very small village :)
2008-02-18 21:19 * Rinn starts a heterosexual pride parade
2008-02-18 21:19 * NotACow throws condoms at RichiH
2008-02-18 21:19 < NotACow> oops :)
2008-02-18 21:20 < NotACow> RichiH will wonder what's that about when he wakes up and sees that in his backscroll :)
2008-02-18 21:21 < g666rl> anyway, one gay man i've spoken too said that he never understood this age of consent business since he went with a gay man at age 12 or 13 and the man was like 21 or so. and he said that lots of his friends also had first gay time sex around that age.
2008-02-18 21:21 < Warpath> zomg pedos
2008-02-18 21:21 < g666rl> first time gay sex !
2008-02-18 21:21 < The359> erm...
2008-02-18 21:21 < NotACow> g666rl: you need to stop talking to pedophiles
2008-02-18 21:21 < Mike_H> g666rl: Honey, I was 19 when I had my first kiss.
2008-02-18 21:21 < The359> first time gay sex doesn't necessarily mean they did it with old dudes
2008-02-18 21:21 < Mike_H> from a guy anyway.
2008-02-18 21:21 < Mike_H> I kissed girls before that
2008-02-18 21:21 < The359> Boys experiment with other boys
2008-02-18 21:21 < Mike_H> SHUT UP THE359
2008-02-18 21:21 < NotACow> i was 21 before i had voluntary sex
2008-02-18 21:22 < Warpath> Mike_H, lucky you :p
2008-02-18 21:22 < The359> ...
2008-02-18 21:22 < g666rl> NotACow: you don't read so well, do you?
2008-02-18 21:22 < Arwen> The359, FAGGOTRY IS UNNATURAL AND SINFUL. ONLY FAGS HAVE GAY SEX.
2008-02-18 21:22 < CharlieMeyers> I have an actual question about wikipedia
2008-02-18 21:22 < NotACow> g666rl: mmm?
2008-02-18 21:22 < The359> Obviously
2008-02-18 21:22 < The359> And the drunk, Arwen
2008-02-18 21:22 < Rinn> I've never had any sexual contact with anyone aside from myself. :(
2008-02-18 21:22 < Evil_Monkey> CharlieMeyers: go ahead
2008-02-18 21:22 < Warpath> O_o
2008-02-18 21:22 < CharlieMeyers> ok
2008-02-18 21:22 < Mike_H> Rinn: Give it time and some CoverGirl makeup.
2008-02-18 21:23 < CharlieMeyers> How does a research project on the democratization of knowledge via wikipedia sound?
2008-02-18 21:23 < CharlieMeyers> maybe include the reliability
2008-02-18 21:23 < Mike_H> Go for it
2008-02-18 21:23 < Arwen> offtopic: who here has had hawt lesbian sex?
2008-02-18 21:23 < CharlieMeyers> any other ideas?
2008-02-18 21:23 < NotACow> CharlieMeyers: knowledge cannot be democratized.
2008-02-18 21:23 < Arwen> if you say "me", you're a liar
2008-02-18 21:23 < Mike_H> CharlieMeyers: What is this, for a college project?
2008-02-18 21:23 < CharlieMeyers> yeah
2008-02-18 21:23 < Mike_H> ah
2008-02-18 21:23 < g666rl> NotACow: what is it u ddn't get?
2008-02-18 21:23 < NotACow> g666rl: your lack of comprehensibility?
2008-02-18 21:23 < Warpath> CharlieMeyers, no democracy in wikipedia, try some other site
2008-02-18 21:23 < Mike_H> yeah, that sounds good, college professors don't know jack shit about Wikipedia and will probably buy what you tell them if you say it with enough conviction
2008-02-18 21:24 < CharlieMeyers> I disagree, Warpath
2008-02-18 21:24 < Warpath> :O
2008-02-18 21:24 < Rinn> Even when I had a "boyfriend" when I was ten or so we only ever played together.
2008-02-18 21:24 < g666rl> NotACow: sorry can't help you there, everybody else understood me
2008-02-18 21:24 < Kathryn> is there a bot?
2008-02-18 21:24 < CharlieMeyers> the majority rules
2008-02-18 21:24 < DannyLilithborne> if anything there is too much democracy on wikipedia
2008-02-18 21:24 < NotACow> Kathryn: no bots.
2008-02-18 21:24 < Warpath> Rinn, hush
2008-02-18 21:24 < Kathryn> aww
2008-02-18 21:24 < Kathryn> I love bots
2008-02-18 21:24 < Mike_H> I had a little girlfriend when I was like 5.
2008-02-18 21:24 < NotACow> bots are evil
2008-02-18 21:24 < CharlieMeyers> also, how does one become a moderator for wikipedia?
2008-02-18 21:24 < Warpath> DannyLilithborne, or lack of it and too much communism ;0
2008-02-18 21:24 < Mike_H> We're now friends on facebook and we're shopping buddies when I go out to Texas.
2008-02-18 21:25 < g666rl> Kathryn: for a second I thought you asked: "Is there a god?"
2008-02-18 21:25 < NotACow> i remember having a boyfriend in second grade.
2008-02-18 21:25 < Kathryn> im not that stupid
2008-02-18 21:25 < CharlieMeyers> You don't work too hard because it doesn't pay off anyway
2008-02-18 21:25 < Arwen> NotACow, liar
2008-02-18 21:25 < NotACow> CharlieMeyers: suck cock.
2008-02-18 21:25 < Mike_H> NotACow: you trailblazer! That was before TVs were in color and everything!
2008-02-18 21:25 < CharlieMeyers> ok
2008-02-18 21:25 < CharlieMeyers> anything else?
2008-02-18 21:25 < NotACow> Arwen: his name was jimmy.
2008-02-18 21:25 < Arwen> And you had sex in the playground?
2008-02-18 21:25 < Warpath> CharlieMeyers, moderator ?
2008-02-18 21:25 < Arwen> cmon... don't lie
2008-02-18 21:26 < Warpath> you mean admin.. I 'll go with NotACow :P
2008-02-18 21:26 < g666rl> Kathryn: not stupid? because?
2008-02-18 21:26 < CharlieMeyers> yeah, sorry
2008-02-18 21:26 < Evil_Monkey> CharlieMeyers: By moderator, I guess you mean admin -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFA
2008-02-18 21:26 < CharlieMeyers> danke
2008-02-18 21:26 < Kathryn> I am 14...
2008-02-18 21:26 < g666rl> Mike notacow is only a trailblazer if he;s a boy!
2008-02-18 21:26 < Arwen> Note that RfAs are entirely based on edit counts
2008-02-18 21:26 < Mike_H> g666rl: He was. Now he is a she.
2008-02-18 21:27 < Warpath> Arwen, aye ;)
2008-02-18 21:27 < g666rl> Mike aha, explains the Cow nick
2008-02-18 21:27 < Warpath> its NotABull ;p
2008-02-18 21:27 < Arwen> Mike_H, if he was originally male, he still is male
2008-02-18 21:27 < Mike_H> ooh.
2008-02-18 21:27 < CharlieMeyers> does anybody have any ideas on how to quantify the democratization?
2008-02-18 21:27 < Mike_H> okay.
2008-02-18 21:27 < CharlieMeyers> it's supposed to be empirical
2008-02-18 21:27 < CharlieMeyers> and investigative
2008-02-18 21:27 < Mike_H> CharlieMeyers: Look at our dispute and policy processes.
2008-02-18 21:27 < NotACow> CharlieMeyers: there is no democratization
2008-02-18 21:28 < Mike_H> NotACow: He's writing a BS paper in college, let him BS it
2008-02-18 21:28 < CharlieMeyers> how is wiki not democracy?
2008-02-18 21:28 < Warpath> CharlieMeyers, interview ediotrs form you district in arizona, the ask the local communities here :)
2008-02-18 21:28 < g666rl> Kathryn: g666rl> Kathryn: for a second I thought you asked: "Is there a god?" Kathryn> im not that stupid g666rl> Kathryn: not stupid? because you KNOW there IS a god or because you KNOW there is NOT a god?
2008-02-18 21:28 < CharlieMeyers> if the majority agrees, it stays
2008-02-18 21:28 < Mike_H> Warpath: "ar" is not Arizona, honey
2008-02-18 21:28 < Mike_H> it's Arkansas.
2008-02-18 21:28 < NotACow> CharlieMeyers: you cannot democratize knowledge. the truth is not subject to democratic process.
2008-02-18 21:28 < CharlieMeyers> yes you can
2008-02-18 21:28 < Warpath> Mike_H, Honey O_o ?
2008-02-18 21:28 < Mike_H> Yes.
2008-02-18 21:28 < Mike_H> Honey.
2008-02-18 21:28 < Mike_H> Sweetie pie.
2008-02-18 21:29 * Warpath is too young to be gay :~(
2008-02-18 21:29 < Evil_Monkey> g666rl: It's because they know there are *gods* :-
2008-02-18 21:29 < Evil_Monkey> :-)
2008-02-18 21:29 * NotACow is too gay to be young
2008-02-18 21:29 < Kathryn> I know there are deities
2008-02-18 21:29 * Warpath nods
2008-02-18 21:29 < Mike_H> Warpath: Tough, I just said honey to you
2008-02-18 21:29 < Mike_H> you're gay now
2008-02-18 21:29 < CharlieMeyers> democratization: processes of decentralization of power away from elected governments, corporations and regional and world bodies including meaningful political
2008-02-18 21:29 < Mike_H> I transmitted it and everything
2008-02-18 21:29 < NotACow> i had a boyfriend in second grade but i have a girlfriend now :)
2008-02-18 21:29 * Warpath cries *sobs*
2008-02-18 21:29 < g666rl> Kathryn: the Flying Spagetti monster?
2008-02-18 21:29 < CharlieMeyers> that's exactly what democracy is
2008-02-18 21:30 * Warpath is lesbian, cause I like girls :DDD
2008-02-18 21:30 < g666rl> CharlieMeyers: not quite
2008-02-18 21:30 < kenlyric> how can you be too young to be gay?
2008-02-18 21:30 < Mike_H> Warpath: degoutant.
2008-02-18 21:30 < kenlyric> are you 3?
2008-02-18 21:30 < Warpath> :p
2008-02-18 21:30 < NotACow> kenlyric: i've known three year olds who were clearly gay
2008-02-18 21:30 < g666rl> CharlieMeyers: you also have to have independent judges and media
2008-02-18 21:30 < Mike_H> NotACow: My sister-in-law said that about me when I came out
2008-02-18 21:30 < kenlyric> yes, but thye might not know they are gay.
2008-02-18 21:30 < Kathryn> no grl
2008-02-18 21:30 < Mike_H> she was like "I knew you were gay, honey, when you would braid my hair and we'd watch TV when you were 7
2008-02-18 21:31 < kenlyric> I knew I liked boys in first grade and girls in second grade.
2008-02-18 21:31 < NotACow> i love leonard nimoy
2008-02-18 21:31 < Warpath> or his ears :P
2008-02-18 21:31 < NotACow> his photography
2008-02-18 21:31 < g666rl> Kathryn: you cannot have democracy with judges and media doing what the president wants