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2008-02-18 01:10 < White_Cat> its 50% your baby
2008-02-18 01:10 < Xihix> He can't use that money for his congress re election
2008-02-18 01:10 < White_Cat> 50% the idiot raping you
2008-02-18 01:10 < Xihix> are you that stupid? seriously?
2008-02-18 01:10 < White_Cat> geneticaly
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xizer> uhh yeah he can
2008-02-18 01:11 < neskaya> White_Cat: genetics don't matter fuck, sorry.
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xihix> No, he can't. Dipshit.
2008-02-18 01:11 < White_Cat> neskaya no they dont
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xizer> Yes he can. Fagtard.
2008-02-18 01:11 < White_Cat> but you hate the baby yet love it in a twisted way
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xihix> No, he can't. Holy damn you are stupid.
2008-02-18 01:11 < White_Cat> thats what I meant
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xizer> You need to read donation laws
2008-02-18 01:11 < White_Cat> its traumatic I suppose
2008-02-18 01:11 < Monobi> Yooo!!
2008-02-18 01:11 < Monobi> Chill out people!
2008-02-18 01:11 < Monobi> ;)
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xizer> Presidential candidates can use left over funds for other political purposes
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xihix> I might want to say the same to you.
2008-02-18 01:11 < neskaya> Screw this.
2008-02-18 01:11 < Miranda> OverlordQ: ?
2008-02-18 01:11 < neskaya> I'm going to go do something else.
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xizer> Typical Ron Paultard
2008-02-18 01:11 < White_Cat> neskaya err
2008-02-18 01:11 < neskaya> This room is being stupid as fuck.
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xizer> Uninformed
2008-02-18 01:11 < Miranda> hi neskaya
2008-02-18 01:11 < Xihix> Not for another election, you stupid idiot.
2008-02-18 01:11 < neskaya> White_Cat: no, this isn't worth my time.
2008-02-18 01:11 < Miranda> lol neskaya :-P
2008-02-18 01:12 < neskaya> Hi Miranda.
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xizer> Yes you can
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xihix> No.
2008-02-18 01:12 < FastLizard4|Food> Miranda!
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xizer> yes
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xizer> Read the campaign finance rules
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xihix> He has a little over $2 million right now, more than enough for congress. Why do you think he is holding another donation site for his congress seat then?
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xizer> He's going to combine the two
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xihix> You are the stupdiest anti-Paul guy I know. Seriously.
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xizer> And pocket whatever's left over
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xihix> stupidest*
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xihix> Holy damn, your final statement proves how idiotic you are.
2008-02-18 01:12 < Xizer> Anyone who supports Ron Paul is an idiot, he never had even a snowball's chance in hell of winning
2008-02-18 01:12 < Brian_M> I'll settle this: politics sucks
2008-02-18 01:13 < Monobi> Brian_M, lol
2008-02-18 01:13 < Xihix> Politics do suck. But Xizer is just being stupid here.
2008-02-18 01:13 < Brian_M> The more you follow it, the more you hate it
2008-02-18 01:13 < Xizer> You're being stupid
2008-02-18 01:13 < Xihix> I thought he had some sense, but his final statement proved that he has no idea what he's talking about.
2008-02-18 01:13 < Xizer> How could anyone support Ron Paul
2008-02-18 01:13 < Monobi> I pissed off youtube
2008-02-18 01:13 < Monobi> hooray!
2008-02-18 01:13 < Xihix> His policies are easily the best out of all the candidates.
2008-02-18 01:14 < Xihix> All of them suck, I'll agree.
2008-02-18 01:14 < Xizer> Ron Paul is a loony who would hand over the reins to the corporations
2008-02-18 01:14 < Xizer> The corporations aren't interested in benefitting the people, they're interested in making a buck
2008-02-18 01:14 < Monobi> Xizer, and... ?
2008-02-18 01:14 < Xihix> thats pretty much what he wouldn't do, but whatever makes you happy.
2008-02-18 01:14 < Monobi> That's capitalism
2008-02-18 01:14 < Xizer> What kind of a lunatic wants to get rid of the FDA?
2008-02-18 01:14 < Monobi> Me!
2008-02-18 01:14 < cal> me!
2008-02-18 01:14 < Monobi> plz
2008-02-18 01:14 < cal> err
2008-02-18 01:14 < Monobi> And the CIA
2008-02-18 01:14 < Xizer> Have fun eating your disgusting food with no quality control
2008-02-18 01:14 * cal types slow =(
2008-02-18 01:14 < Monobi> And AFT
2008-02-18 01:15 < Monobi> Plz get rid of 50% of the USA gov't
2008-02-18 01:15 < Xihix> less government is never a bad thing.
2008-02-18 01:15 < Xizer> wrong
2008-02-18 01:15 < Monobi> that would make my life
2008-02-18 01:15 < Xizer> No government at all would fucking suck
2008-02-18 01:15 < Xizer> Complete anarchy, people killing each other
2008-02-18 01:15 < Xihix> The FDA doesn't do crap anymore, anyway.
2008-02-18 01:15 < Monobi> Complete anarchy yes
2008-02-18 01:15 < Monobi> FDA = gov't bully
2008-02-18 01:15 < Xizer> Government is what has allowed us to do anything civilized
2008-02-18 01:15 < Xizer> Computers would have never been invented without government
2008-02-18 01:16 < Xizer> We'd all still be running around beating each other with sticks
2008-02-18 01:16 < Xihix> He's wants to get rid of the unnecessary agencies. I don't find anything wrong with that.
2008-02-18 01:16 < TroubleClef> Oh, wait, you actually support Ron Paul?
2008-02-18 01:16 < TroubleClef> I thought that was a joke.
2008-02-18 01:16 < Xihix> I don't support any candidate.
2008-02-18 01:16 < Xihix> They all suck. Ron Paul is just the better of them.
2008-02-18 01:17 < Xizer> XD
2008-02-18 01:17 < Xizer> Ron Paul is a crazy racist with insane policies that would destroy the U.S.
2008-02-18 01:17 < bridezilla> Is there math language symbol for "up to"?
2008-02-18 01:17 < Monobi> Obama is a crazy racist
2008-02-18 01:17 < Monobi> With no experience
2008-02-18 01:17 < Xihix> Xizer, completely wrong.
2008-02-18 01:17 < Xizer> Weren't you just complaining about big government
2008-02-18 01:18 < Xizer> Guess who causes the government to keep growing
2008-02-18 01:18 < Xihix> what are you talking about?
2008-02-18 01:18 < Xizer> People have been in D.C. for ages
2008-02-18 01:18 < Xizer> Fucking our shit up
2008-02-18 01:18 < Xihix> Where the hell are you getting at?
2008-02-18 01:18 < Monobi> Xizer, the democrats cause the gov't to grow
2008-02-18 01:18 < Monobi> ;)
2008-02-18 01:18 < ddelony> Hey, NPOV!
2008-02-18 01:19 * Monobi slaps a {{NPOV}} on the channel
2008-02-18 01:19 < ddelony> BTW, I'm a libertarian. :-)
2008-02-18 01:19 < Xihix> Ddelony, you support Ron Paul more than the other candidates, I assume?
2008-02-18 01:19 < Xizer> wrong
2008-02-18 01:19 < Monobi> libertarian = republican w/ fiscal matters , democrat w/ social issues
2008-02-18 01:19 < Monobi> basically
2008-02-18 01:19 < Xizer> The Bush presidency was the first to hit a 2 trillion dollar budget
2008-02-18 01:20 < Xizer> And now a 3.1 trillion budget
2008-02-18 01:20 < Monobi> Xizer, it aint the last
2008-02-18 01:20 < Xizer> That is the definition of government growth
2008-02-18 01:20 < Monobi> just wait till universial healthcare
2008-02-18 01:20 < ddelony> So much for the party of smaller government.
2008-02-18 01:20 < TroubleClef> I'm independent. And by that I mean I mostly ignore everyone and just make puns out of people's names.
2008-02-18 01:20 < Monobi> TroubleClef, lovely ;)
2008-02-18 01:20 < Brian_M> There's nothing wrong with Universal healthcare
2008-02-18 01:20 < bumm13> ddelony: that hasn't been the case since about 1975
2008-02-18 01:20 < TroubleClef> George W. Bushed!
2008-02-18 01:20 < Monobi> Brian_M, it's uber expensive ?
2008-02-18 01:21 < Brian_M> So? Better than paying for medical
2008-02-18 01:21 < Brian_M> stuff
2008-02-18 01:21 < Xihix> Wanker Bushed!
2008-02-18 01:21 < Monobi> nah
2008-02-18 01:21 < Monobi> the gov't sucks at anything
2008-02-18 01:21 < Monobi> and everything
2008-02-18 01:21 < Brian_M> My brother is a diabetic and if we lived in the states it would cost a fortune
2008-02-18 01:21 < ddelony> The people who would run universal healthcare would have to decide who gets care and who doesn't.
2008-02-18 01:21 < Monobi> except for waging war
2008-02-18 01:21 < Xizer> Here's a fun fact, kids
2008-02-18 01:21 < Monobi> gov't control = bad
2008-02-18 01:21 < Xihix> Brian_M, my brother is also a diabetic.
2008-02-18 01:21 < Xizer> The United States spends more money on healthcare than any other country in the world
2008-02-18 01:21 < Xizer> But we don't have universal healthcare
2008-02-18 01:21 < Monobi> Xizer, at least big brother doesnt control it
2008-02-18 01:22 < Xizer> What are you talking about
2008-02-18 01:22 < Monobi> I'd rather pay more and get better service
2008-02-18 01:22 < Xihix> We had some insurance for a while, and for a while Grady Hospital covered his insulin for like $2.
2008-02-18 01:22 < Xihix> but I think we just pay now
2008-02-18 01:22 < Xizer> Government is a better big brother than insurance companies out for money
2008-02-18 01:22 < Xihix> shitsux
2008-02-18 01:22 < Xizer> The government is the big brother that is nice to you every once in a while, the corporations are the big brother that raids your room for cash
2008-02-18 01:22 < Monobi> I'd rather have the coporations in control
2008-02-18 01:22 < Xizer> At least the government wouldn't deny me healthcare because it's not "profitable"
2008-02-18 01:23 < Monobi> *corp
2008-02-18 01:23 < Xizer> Then you, sir, are a fool.
2008-02-18 01:23 < Monobi> Xizer, well to capitalism. if you dont like it move
2008-02-18 01:23 < Monobi> *welcome
2008-02-18 01:23 < Monobi> gah
2008-02-18 01:23 < Monobi> it's late
2008-02-18 01:23 < Xizer> Healthcare should not be for a profit.
2008-02-18 01:23 < ddelony> I would rather own a cheap maching that diagnosed me and synthesized drugs for me.
2008-02-18 01:23 < Xizer> It is an essential service for the well being of the people
2008-02-18 01:23 < Xizer> Capitalism is all fine and dandy when it comes to your PS2s and Xboxes and TVs
2008-02-18 01:24 < Xizer> But when it comes to caring for people when they are ill, profit should not be involved
2008-02-18 01:24 < ddelony> Xizer: What about food distribution?
2008-02-18 01:24 < Xizer> "Hey, we can pay for this guy's kidney transplant and save his life. Or, we can deny it, and save $200,000."
2008-02-18 01:24 < Xizer> What do you think soup kitchens, food stamps, etc. are for?
2008-02-18 01:24 < Monobi> Xizer, to steal money from the hard working
2008-02-18 01:24 < Xizer> The homeless will never starve to death
2008-02-18 01:24 < Monobi> D'oh
2008-02-18 01:24 < Xizer> They can always find a food source somewhere
2008-02-18 01:24 < Krimpet> personally I'm a bit fed up paying $90 for a months supply of generic sertraline... not sure it's the fault of the gov't as much as it is the greedy drug companies, though.
2008-02-18 01:25 < Brian_M> Oh well I'm enjoying this civil debate but I need sleep
2008-02-18 01:25 < Monobi> Brian_M, it's gonna cost ya
2008-02-18 01:25 < Xihix> Good night Scorpion
2008-02-18 01:25 < Xizer> Drugs are significantly cheaper in countries with socialized medicine, oftentimes they are free
2008-02-18 01:25 < Monobi> I'm going to tax you on it. Love, the IRS
2008-02-18 01:25 < Monobi> Xizer, they aren't free
2008-02-18 01:25 < Xizer> Something that costs you $200 here might cost only $5 in the UK
2008-02-18 01:25 < Monobi> France's debt is insane
2008-02-18 01:26 < Xizer> When everyone throws their money into a tax pool for healthcare, it results in everyone paying less on average
2008-02-18 01:26 < Krimpet> pharmaceutical companies suck ass. -_-
2008-02-18 01:26 < Monobi> Xizer, I'm not sharing my money
2008-02-18 01:26 < Monobi> it's mine
2008-02-18 01:26 < Xizer> you're a greedy faggot and that's why you're going to hell
2008-02-18 01:26 < Monobi> Okay
2008-02-18 01:26 < Monobi> ;)
2008-02-18 01:26 < bumm13> Xizer: kill the ad hominem attacks, please
2008-02-18 01:26 < Krimpet> Xizer: erm, watch it...
2008-02-18 01:26 < TroubleClef> That's the best way to end a debate.
2008-02-18 01:26 < Monobi> Lol
2008-02-18 01:26 < bumm13> civility or else you won't be staying here
2008-02-18 01:27 < Xizer> You can measure a civilization's degree of advancement by how they treat their worst off
2008-02-18 01:27 < Monobi> Pretty damn good, I'd say
2008-02-18 01:27 < Monobi> Look at India
2008-02-18 01:27 < Xizer> India doesn't treat their worst off well.
2008-02-18 01:27 < Monobi> Look at Eastern Europe
2008-02-18 01:27 < Monobi> that's what I'm saying
2008-02-18 01:27 < TroubleClef> What happens if a country treats their worst off so well the well-to-do ones turn into the worst off?
2008-02-18 01:28 < Xizer> Look at Canada, look at Northern Europe, Australia
2008-02-18 01:28 < bumm13> o0
2008-02-18 01:28 < Xizer> How embarrassing it is to be falling behind all of them
2008-02-18 01:28 < Monobi> the US's treatment of the poor is pretty good
2008-02-18 01:28 < Xizer> And refusing to address the problems that are causing it
2008-02-18 01:28 < bumm13> TroubleClef: good luck with that
2008-02-18 01:28 < ddelony> Suppose you were running a country's health care program. Where would you put your resources?
2008-02-18 01:28 < Xizer> The United States continues to fall further and further down on the Human Development Index
2008-02-18 01:28 < Monobi> That's some silly little measurement
2008-02-18 01:28 < Monobi> it's run by a euro-centric group
2008-02-18 01:28 < Xizer> It is the greedy few who are causing the decline of the States
2008-02-18 01:28 < bumm13> silly because you don't agree with it?
2008-02-18 01:29 < Monobi> er, no
2008-02-18 01:29 < Monobi> the UN controls the US
2008-02-18 01:29 < bumm13> lol
2008-02-18 01:29 < Monobi> Europe controls the UN
2008-02-18 01:29 < Xizer> The UN doesn't control shit, buddy
2008-02-18 01:29 < bumm13> haha
2008-02-18 01:29 < bumm13> funny stuff
2008-02-18 01:29 < Xizer> Except form letters
2008-02-18 01:29 < Monobi> ;0
2008-02-18 01:29 < Monobi> Oh, lovely
2008-02-18 01:29 * TroubleClef awaits the "If Bill Gates gave a portion of his money to all citizens" comment
2008-02-18 01:29 < Monobi> TroubleClef, that'd be pointless
2008-02-18 01:29 < Monobi> prices would go up
2008-02-18 01:29 < bumm13> don't forget the orbiting laser platforms
2008-02-18 01:29 < ddelony> The socialist governments of the 20th Century were repressive and created a lot of poverty.
2008-02-18 01:30 < Xihix> http://i.timeinc.net/time/potw/20071108/potw_05.jpg
2008-02-18 01:30 < TroubleClef> I've seen it at least three times in these types of debates.
2008-02-18 01:30 < Xihix> isn't that picture beautiful?
2008-02-18 01:30 < TroubleClef> Is it goatse?
2008-02-18 01:30 < TroubleClef> Aww, nope.
2008-02-18 01:30 < Monobi> ddelony, most gov'ts are socalistic
2008-02-18 01:30 < Xizer> socialism =/= dictatorship
2008-02-18 01:31 < Monobi> socialism = a weaker form of communism
2008-02-18 01:31 < Xizer> None of the so-called socialist states in the past were really socialist
2008-02-18 01:31 < Xizer> They were all dictatorships
2008-02-18 01:31 < Xizer> China isn't really communist, it's also a form of dictatorship
2008-02-18 01:31 < Xizer> A democratic socialist society is wonderful
2008-02-18 01:31 < Monobi> socialism = a lost of individual freedoms
2008-02-18 01:31 < Xizer> That is why the Scandinavian countries lead the world today
2008-02-18 01:32 < Monobi> Xizer, exactly, no free speech
2008-02-18 01:32 < Xizer> Scandinavian citizens enjoy more rights than U.S. citizens in this day and age.
2008-02-18 01:32 < Monobi> uh, no
2008-02-18 01:32 < Xizer> What are you talking about kid
2008-02-18 01:32 < ddelony> I think that advocates of socialism/communism have a lot of explaining to do for what happened in the Soviet Union and elsewhere before they can be taken seriously.
2008-02-18 01:32 < Xizer> They are the highest ranked on the press freedom index
2008-02-18 01:32 < Xizer> What happened with the Soviet Union was one man on a power binge
2008-02-18 01:32 < Monobi> Xizer, according to who? that's like ford saying they make the best trucks
2008-02-18 01:32 < Xizer> Instead of the people collectively deciding to assist each other, it was Joseph Stalin being a slave driver
2008-02-18 01:32 < bumm13> one man?
2008-02-18 01:32 < Xizer> That is not socialism
2008-02-18 01:33 < TroubleClef> FORD TOUGH!
2008-02-18 01:33 < bumm13> the USSR predated Stalin
2008-02-18 01:33 < Monobi> Socialism sucks. End of discussion.
2008-02-18 01:33 < Monobi> Love, ~~~~
2008-02-18 01:33 < Xizer> Sweden is 6th on Reporters Without Borders world-wide press freedom index
2008-02-18 01:34 < Krimpet> bumm13: not by much, though, he was in power since 1922
2008-02-18 01:34 < TroubleClef> All I know about Sweden is that they have a pirate party.
2008-02-18 01:34 < Monobi> Lol
2008-02-18 01:34 < Xizer> 1st on The Economist Intelligence Unit's democracy index
2008-02-18 01:34 < Monobi> Sweden has crazy gun control laws
2008-02-18 01:34 < TroubleClef> And that Swiss cheese may or may not have come from there.
2008-02-18 01:34 < Monobi> I'd hate to live there
2008-02-18 01:34 < Xihix> So
2008-02-18 01:34 < Xizer> So you hate democracy
2008-02-18 01:35 < Xihix> Is there anything big going on with the whole Muhammad picture?
2008-02-18 01:35 < bumm13> Monobi: do you own any guns?
2008-02-18 01:35 < Xizer> TERRORIST
2008-02-18 01:35 < Monobi> bumm13, yup
2008-02-18 01:35 < Xizer> Monobi is a confirmed terrorist.
2008-02-18 01:35 < bumm13> Xizer: hush
2008-02-18 01:35 < Monobi> Hooray!
2008-02-18 01:35 < bumm13> Monobi: how many? (curious)
2008-02-18 01:35 < Monobi> I'm a greedy faggot and a terrorist!
2008-02-18 01:35 < Monobi> I rock!
2008-02-18 01:35 < Monobi> bumm13, 2
2008-02-18 01:35 < TroubleClef> I fired a B.B. gun once! Does that count?
2008-02-18 01:35 < ddelony> What about video games?
2008-02-18 01:36 < TroubleClef> I can only shoot in two dimensions.
2008-02-18 01:36 < ddelony> I think guns are tools just like anything else.
2008-02-18 01:36 < Xihix> can I ask again
2008-02-18 01:36 < OverlordQ> gg Monobi lol
2008-02-18 01:36 < Xihix> Is there some big controversy with the whole Muhammad picture?
2008-02-18 01:36 < TroubleClef> There's an online petition.
2008-02-18 01:37 < Xihix> how many sig. does it have?
2008-02-18 01:37 < TroubleClef> I think it had some single digit number.
2008-02-18 01:38 < ddelony> I think about 2G.
2008-02-18 01:38 < TroubleClef> And one guy who signed with a 4chan meme.
2008-02-18 01:38 < Xihix> let me see if digg has anything about it
2008-02-18 01:38 < ddelony> Oh no, an online petition!
2008-02-18 01:38 < Xihix> 180,000 signatures.
2008-02-18 01:38 < Xihix> hmm
2008-02-18 01:39 < TroubleClef> Huh. I must've seen a different one.
2008-02-18 01:39 < Xihix> As someone who is named Mohammad, this is redicules.
2008-02-18 01:39 < zvook> over 100,000 signatures
2008-02-18 01:39 < zvook> yah
2008-02-18 01:39 < Xihix> ridicules*
2008-02-18 01:39 < TroubleClef> *ridiculous
2008-02-18 01:39 < bumm13> petitions = useless
2008-02-18 01:39 < Xihix> I hate radicals and extremists so damn much. They make us look so bad.
2008-02-18 01:40 < zvook> i dunno, i think wikipedians get a little rabid when they think they are being threatened with censorship
2008-02-18 01:40 < zvook> i also think there was some anti-muslim feeling in those debates
2008-02-18 01:40 * Werdna rolleyes.
2008-02-18 01:40 < Xihix> Probably.
2008-02-18 01:40 * Werdna does not discriminate. He dislikes islam and christianity equally.
2008-02-18 01:40 < White_Cat> [2008-02-18 08:29:15] <Monobi> the US's treatment of the poor is pretty good
2008-02-18 01:40 < White_Cat> well
2008-02-18 01:41 < White_Cat> starving them to death...
2008-02-18 01:41 < White_Cat> hmm
2008-02-18 01:41 < Xihix> Do you dislike organised religion in general?
2008-02-18 01:41 < bumm13> do you like judaism?
2008-02-18 01:41 < TroubleClef> White_Cat: He's quieted.
2008-02-18 01:41 < White_Cat> I guess thats better then arming them
2008-02-18 01:41 < White_Cat> oh
2008-02-18 01:41 < White_Cat> well
2008-02-18 01:41 * White_Cat looks away
2008-02-18 01:41 < TroubleClef> Well, if you armed them, you could have bank robberies and stimulate the economy.
2008-02-18 01:41 < Werdna> Xihix: Well, more general than that. I dislike superstition in general, but particularly christianity, islam, scientology etc, because they're not only nonsense, but actively harmful.
2008-02-18 01:42 < TroubleClef> Christianity is harmful?
2008-02-18 01:42 < Xihix> I'd say they can be harmful. But some people study and practice religion in peace.
2008-02-18 01:42 < Werdna> sure.
2008-02-18 01:42 < bumm13> both Christianity and Islam aren't really one thing, in the everyday sense
2008-02-18 01:42 < TroubleClef> I'd say it's less overtly harmful than the other two.
2008-02-18 01:43 < Werdna> TroubleClef: subtly harmful.
2008-02-18 01:43 < Werdna> All you have to do is look at the religious right in the US
2008-02-18 01:43 < Krimpet> religion has its positive and negative aspects. it can do quite a lot of good, but plenty of folks know how to twist it to get people to hate
2008-02-18 01:43 < Werdna> they oppose both premarital sex and contraception
2008-02-18 01:43 < TroubleClef> They oppose contraception? I never knew that.
2008-02-18 01:43 < Werdna> so they teach abstinence-only sex education
2008-02-18 01:43 < Xihix> But there's no laws against it.
2008-02-18 01:43 < bumm13> TroubleClef: they don't
2008-02-18 01:44 < Xihix> They do teach absistence education, myself being an 8th grader
2008-02-18 01:44 < Werdna> TroubleClef: they oppose the TEACHING of it, because it might "encourage promiscuity"
2008-02-18 01:44 < Xihix> though this year, they did educate us more on diseases.
2008-02-18 01:44 < TroubleClef> Oh.
2008-02-18 01:44 < Werdna> so, abstinence-only education, which delays the first time people have sex by an average of 11 months, but triples teenage pregnancy rates.
2008-02-18 01:44 < TroubleClef> I never got sex ed.
2008-02-18 01:45 < Xihix> yeah, the abstience eduation was pretty boring.
2008-02-18 01:45 < Werdna> They oppose the government-funding of a lifesaving cervical cancer vaccine, on the same grounds
2008-02-18 01:45 < Xihix> But we got to see a cervix with a disease. That was fun.
2008-02-18 01:45 < Werdna> they try to teach their religion in science classes - despite the fact that, even if it were true, it would be useless science and we'd be better off using the evolutionary model.
2008-02-18 01:46 < Xihix> I haven't learned religion in class...
2008-02-18 01:46 < Werdna> etc etc
2008-02-18 01:46 < Xihix> In fact, we learned a ton of shit about evolution last year
2008-02-18 01:46 < bumm13> the majority of American schools don't teach such religion in science classes
2008-02-18 01:46 < Werdna> Xihix: well yes, thankfully the US Supreme Court is sensible.
2008-02-18 01:46 < Xihix> so... what you said before should just be disregarded?
2008-02-18 01:46 < Werdna> of course not. They tried, and that's a problem.
2008-02-18 01:47 < Xihix> they did? meh
2008-02-18 01:47 < White_Cat> US Supreme Court <- prorepublican
2008-02-18 01:47 < White_Cat> democrats on there are OLD
2008-02-18 01:48 < Werdna> And then, of course, there are people like Mother Teresa, things like the crusades, etc, etc.
2008-02-18 01:49 < Werdna> if you want to do a bit of history
2008-02-18 01:49 < Werdna> and the sex-negative attitudes that most religions espouse, etc, etc
2008-02-18 01:50 < bumm13> religions have no influence in and of themselves
2008-02-18 01:50 < bumm13> people choose to submit to religion (or not)
2008-02-18 01:50 < bumm13> (although with Islam, it's kind of forced on people in those countries)
2008-02-18 01:51 < Werdna> I would argue that religion, as an idea, tends to influence people. And if influential people are influenced, then we have a problem.
2008-02-18 01:52 < Werdna> Of course, if religion did not influence people, then it would be considered an idle curiosity, akin to a book, or a movie.
2008-02-18 01:53 < bumm13> religion emerges out of many peoples' "innate need" to find spirituality or whatever you call it
2008-02-18 01:54 < Werdna> mmm.. sauce?
2008-02-18 01:54 < bumm13> of course, many people reject such a notion and consequently aren't part of any mainstream religion
2008-02-18 01:55 < zvook> what countries force islam on people, bumm13?
2008-02-18 01:56 < Werdna> That's an idea that's thrown around a lot, but I don't really believe that it's really true - and I haven't seen any reason to say that. I would say that most religion arises from curiosity, and being unable to explain certain phenomena - as such, people in the past tended to invent explanations for things like lightning.
2008-02-18 01:56 < bumm13> if you are born in, say, Saudi Arabia, try declaring your intent to no longer be a member of Islam
2008-02-18 01:56 < zvook> there are minority religions there
2008-02-18 01:57 < bumm13> ok, try speaking freely about disdain for Islam there :P
2008-02-18 01:57 < zvook> that's not quite the same
2008-02-18 01:57 < zvook> i might get lynched in your south ;)
2008-02-18 01:57 < zvook> presuming you are american, sorry
2008-02-18 01:57 < bumm13> unlikely
2008-02-18 01:57 < bumm13> actually, I am
2008-02-18 01:58 < bumm13> even if one isn't Muslim in countries like Saudi Arabia, the law is steeped in Islamic thought
2008-02-18 01:58 < bumm13> (Saudi Arabia itself is basically a theocracy)
2008-02-18 01:58 < zvook> again, not the same thing
2008-02-18 01:59 < bumm13> you can't completely separate these things
2008-02-18 01:59 < Werdna> Christianity had this stage, but grew out of it after a while.
2008-02-18 02:00 < zvook> in ireland we grew out of our law being steeped in catholic thought roughly about 20 years ago with some seesaws here and there :P
2008-02-18 02:00 < zvook> in america the struggle seems ongoing ;)
2008-02-18 02:00 < bumm13> there is no "unified" Christianity in the U.S.
2008-02-18 02:01 < Werdna> there's a difference between law upholding some basic religious ideals, and drawing law from a religious text.
2008-02-18 02:01 < TroubleClef> Is there a unified anything in the US?
2008-02-18 02:01 < bumm13> even the religious right is more about "conservative ideology" than individual component religions, etc.
2008-02-18 02:01 < zvook> i've heard the states are united, TroubleClef
2008-02-18 02:01 < zvook> could be just a rumour
2008-02-18 02:01 < Werdna> It is true that some law in the US upholds often non-universal religious ideals, however it is not derived from the bible or from religious teachings - at least not directly
2008-02-18 02:01 < bumm13> Baptists will gladly pal with Moonies about such matters in the political sphere, for example
2008-02-18 02:02 < Werdna> In Shar'ia law, however, the law is derived directly from the Qu'ran, which presents a problem - because it involves actually enforcing biblical ethics.
2008-02-18 02:02 < Werdna> For instance, the death penalty for "Sodomy"
2008-02-18 02:03 < White_Cat> Werdna not entirely true
2008-02-18 02:03 * Krimpet learned at a recent sanctions hearing that "sodomy" is still a crime in NYS
2008-02-18 02:03 < White_Cat> Sharia isnt based on the Qu'ran
2008-02-18 02:03 < White_Cat> its based on interpretations of Qu'ran
2008-02-18 02:03 < White_Cat> there isnt one single Sharia
2008-02-18 02:03 < Werdna> Krimpet: no, it was legalised by a 2006 supreme court ruling.
2008-02-18 02:03 < zvook> isn't there a tour you can do through all the states that outlaw sodomy?
2008-02-18 02:03 < zvook> that isn't a date suggestion btw
2008-02-18 02:04 < Krimpet> Werdna: laws are still on the books all over the place, even though they're invalidated
2008-02-18 02:04 < Werdna> erm, 2003
2008-02-18 02:04 < Krimpet> (not that my sanctions were for sodomy. they were for underage drinking ;p)
2008-02-18 02:05 < Werdna> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas
2008-02-18 02:05 < zvook> IMO that's a thin line
2008-02-18 02:07 * Krimpet looks at the image of Scalia in that article... he's definitely got _something_ up his rectum there
2008-02-18 02:09 * zvook chuckles
2008-02-18 02:10 < White_Cat> Werdna sharia is like the laws of medeval era
2008-02-18 02:10 < White_Cat> intended for the era
2008-02-18 02:11 < White_Cat> sharia was more 'civil' back in the medeval era
2008-02-18 02:11 < dquestions> anyone here want to join me in creating a website for a good cause.... it hasnt really been done before the way i want to do it but I think it can work... a self sustained non profit essentially
2008-02-18 02:11 < White_Cat> compared to the corrupt lmedeval era lae of the catholic church
2008-02-18 02:11 < White_Cat> *medeval
2008-02-18 02:12 < White_Cat> now obviously both are abolished but some extremists are insisting on sharia
2008-02-18 02:12 < White_Cat> such as iran
2008-02-18 02:12 < White_Cat> or saudi arabia
2008-02-18 02:12 < TroubleClef> dquestions: That good cause would be?
2008-02-18 02:17 < Cobi> Krimpet: You around?
2008-02-18 02:17 < Krimpet> Cobi: yep
2008-02-18 02:17 * FastLizard4 is now going to bed, good night!
2008-02-18 02:17 < Miranda> FastLizard4 has to spam every channel to say that he is going to bed
2008-02-18 02:17 < Cobi> I am just curious, why was Monobi banned? (I was just reading up and saw it, though maybe I didn't see the whole picture)
2008-02-18 02:18 < Krimpet> Cobi: not sure exactly, I remember there was some heated arguments going on, bumm13 would know
2008-02-18 02:19 < Cobi> Ahh ... you opped yourself at the same time, thus I thought you would know.
2008-02-18 02:19 < Cobi> bumm13: You around?
2008-02-18 02:22 < mynyml> anyone knows whats up with the html garbage in the references section? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Wal-Mart
2008-02-18 02:25 < bumm13> Cobi: Monobi was also fueling the disruptive atmosphere during his debate with Xizer
2008-02-18 02:26 < Cobi> Ahh.
2008-02-18 02:26 < zvook> mynyml you need to remove "<ref>there are much more good mans on world^^ " in the body
2008-02-18 02:26 < zvook> under Employee and labor relations
2008-02-18 02:29 < zvook> i'd do it but i'm holding out for better conditions
2008-02-18 02:31 < mynyml> zvook: not sure why its causing it though..?
2008-02-18 02:31 < zvook> not sure exactly why, but the ref tag is unclosed
2008-02-18 02:31 < mynyml> oh i see
2008-02-18 02:31 < ddelony> I was about to say it looked like a typo.
2008-02-18 02:32 < mynyml> i've never dealt with refs before... i just dont want to remove actual material
2008-02-18 02:33 < zvook> get stuck in.
2008-02-18 02:34 < zvook> it's all in the history anyhow, go crazy :P
2008-02-18 02:37 < ddelony> There, fixed it.
2008-02-18 02:37 < ddelony> There was an extra <ref> tag.
2008-02-18 02:39 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-02-18 02:46 < ddelony> Is there an Emacs mode for editing Wikipedia?
2008-02-18 02:52 < mynyml> there's a vim script ..... =)
2008-02-18 02:53 < ddelony> I'm more interested in doing regex searches.
2008-02-18 02:56 < OverlordQ> i think you can run vi *from* emacs so that'd probably work
2008-02-18 03:18 < White_Cat> you know...
2008-02-18 03:18 < White_Cat> ceil420
2008-02-18 03:18 < White_Cat> ack
2008-02-18 03:18 < White_Cat> not that
2008-02-18 03:18 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes_and_characters_2/Proposed_decision#Compliance
2008-02-18 03:18 < White_Cat> that cheered me up :)
2008-02-18 03:25 < zvook> lol
2008-02-18 03:25 < zvook> what is that, news just in?
2008-02-18 03:26 < White_Cat> zvook huh?
2008-02-18 03:26 < White_Cat> is that referance to my link?
2008-02-18 03:29 < zvook> yah
2008-02-18 03:31 < White_Cat> :D
2008-02-18 03:32 < White_Cat> zvook some involved parties nearly rioted when arbcom told them to stop temporarily
2008-02-18 03:32 < White_Cat> they thought they could disregard arbcom :)
2008-02-18 03:32 < zvook> yeah i read/saw a little about that
2008-02-18 03:32 < OverlordQ> lol
2008-02-18 03:32 < zvook> mentioning no names but you mean TNN
2008-02-18 03:32 < zvook> oops.
2008-02-18 03:32 < White_Cat> TTN? Oh no.
2008-02-18 03:32 < White_Cat> He isnt diregarding arbcom. That requires paying attention to arbcom.
2008-02-18 03:33 < White_Cat> He completely ignores everyone.
2008-02-18 03:33 < White_Cat> :P
2008-02-18 03:33 < White_Cat> But parties other than TTN stated this
2008-02-18 03:33 < White_Cat> you can see it on the talk page of proposed decision
2008-02-18 03:33 < zvook> well
2008-02-18 03:34 < zvook> when you're doing a lot of work, and most of it is probably good work, you get a lot of invalid complaints and oyu get support, and you stop thinking you can be doing wrong, mebbe
2008-02-18 03:34 < White_Cat> well
2008-02-18 03:34 < White_Cat> he thought he had policy on his back
2008-02-18 03:35 < White_Cat> he had the intention of forcing cruft off of wikipedia
2008-02-18 03:35 < zvook> mhm
2008-02-18 03:35 < White_Cat> and that was per his 14th edit
2008-02-18 03:36 < White_Cat> zvook but there is more to this than meets the eye.
2008-02-18 03:36 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes_and_characters_2/Evidence/by_White_Cat#Real_identity_of_Jack_Merridew:_Could_it_be_Davenbelle.2FMoby_Dick
2008-02-18 03:36 < White_Cat> can you believe it? :)
2008-02-18 03:37 < White_Cat> 100% of all rfars I got involved in has the same guy on the other side
2008-02-18 03:37 < jerkface03> lol wat?
2008-02-18 03:37 < jerkface03> is this wikidrama or something?
2008-02-18 03:37 < jerkface03> are you having an editwar with someone?
2008-02-18 03:37 < White_Cat> no?
2008-02-18 03:37 < zvook> none of that means anything to me White_Cat
2008-02-18 03:37 < White_Cat> zvook oh
2008-02-18 03:38 < zvook> merridew is involved in this arb is he?
2008-02-18 03:38 < White_Cat> basicaly we have an editor from bali, indonesia
2008-02-18 03:38 < White_Cat> zvook yes
2008-02-18 03:38 < zvook> yeah i recognize the name
2008-02-18 03:38 < White_Cat> and he likely is my former stalker, the one banned indefinately
2008-02-18 03:39 < zvook> was he banned for stalking you?
2008-02-18 03:40 < White_Cat> yes
2008-02-18 03:40 < White_Cat> [[User:Moby Dick]]
2008-02-18 03:40 < White_Cat> aka user:Davenbelle
2008-02-18 03:40 < White_Cat> or User:Diyarbakir
2008-02-18 03:40 < zvook> small wiki
2008-02-18 03:40 < White_Cat> 3 years of constant stalking as it appears
2008-02-18 03:43 < jerkface03> lol
2008-02-18 03:43 < jerkface03> wikistalker
2008-02-18 03:43 < White_Cat> zvook Diyarbakir stopped editing a day before Jack registered
2008-02-18 03:43 < jerkface03> maybe it's not so much stalking as it is a giant troll? ;x
2008-02-18 03:43 < White_Cat> oh he is a troll alright
2008-02-18 03:44 < jerkface03> k, then call him a troll
2008-02-18 03:44 < jerkface03> not a stalker
2008-02-18 03:44 < White_Cat> I mean he tries to calm a genocide related discussion with a quote from hitler
2008-02-18 03:44 < jerkface03> stalker's a powerful word
2008-02-18 03:44 < jerkface03> LOL
2008-02-18 03:44 < jerkface03> linkplz
2008-02-18 03:44 < White_Cat> you think I am kidding?
2008-02-18 03:44 < White_Cat> okay :)
2008-02-18 03:44 < jerkface03> no i don't think you're kidding
2008-02-18 03:44 < jerkface03> but it sounds funny
2008-02-18 03:45 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive349#Content_dispute.2C_is_it_really.3F
2008-02-18 03:48 < The359> The Wikipedia database is temporarily in read-only mode for the following reason:
2008-02-18 03:48 < The359> $1
2008-02-18 03:48 < White_Cat> zvook you know how I figured it all out?
2008-02-18 03:48 < The359> 1 fucking dollar?!
2008-02-18 03:48 < zvook> do tell.
2008-02-18 03:49 < White_Cat> zvook he stalked me to irc
2008-02-18 03:49 < White_Cat> so I whoised him
2008-02-18 03:49 < zvook> oh yeah i read that
2008-02-18 03:49 < White_Cat> got his IP
2008-02-18 03:49 < White_Cat> exactly
2008-02-18 03:49 < White_Cat> had he not come to IRC I would not even be suspicious :)
2008-02-18 03:49 < zvook> i thought for a sec that could have been your guy taking merridew's name to fuck with you
2008-02-18 03:49 < zvook> but then the early edits...
2008-02-18 03:50 < zvook> so i guess checkuser is your next move?
2008-02-18 03:50 < White_Cat> already done
2008-02-18 03:50 < White_Cat> same location different ISP
2008-02-18 03:50 < zvook> hrm
2008-02-18 03:50 < White_Cat> not same IP hence checkuser alone isnt enough to ban
2008-02-18 03:50 < zvook> aye
2008-02-18 03:51 < White_Cat> from what I know his previous IP was dynamic
2008-02-18 03:51 < White_Cat> it could be his work IP and past one home IP
2008-02-18 03:51 < White_Cat> he may have changed ISPs only to annoy me
2008-02-18 03:51 < zvook> yup
2008-02-18 03:51 < White_Cat> If you are staling someone for over 3 years I suspect youd go to such extremes
2008-02-18 03:52 < White_Cat> I think the Statistical analysis will do the trick
2008-02-18 03:52 < zvook> it's not even that extreme really, i have a broadband connection and a dial-up that i don't use
2008-02-18 03:52 < White_Cat> oh right
2008-02-18 03:52 < White_Cat> checkuser didnt tell me much per PP
2008-02-18 03:53 < White_Cat> but I suppose he could be using that
2008-02-18 03:53 < zvook> or he coulda just changed ISPs for genuine reasons and thought oh hey
2008-02-18 03:53 < White_Cat> ture
2008-02-18 03:53 < White_Cat> *true
2008-02-18 03:53 < White_Cat> ture? WTF is that? :D
2008-02-18 03:54 < zvook> both sure and true, portmanteau :P
2008-02-18 03:54 < White_Cat> :P
2008-02-18 04:04 < {Daniel}> "01:06, February 18, 2008 Jc37 (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Category:Rouge admins" ?(per 13 Feb UCFD) (Restore)"
2008-02-18 04:04 < {Daniel}> yuou're joking.
2008-02-18 04:04 < {Daniel}> you're*
2008-02-18 04:09 < zvook> i think they were the ones joking, no?
2008-02-18 04:09 < {Daniel}> er, no.
2008-02-18 04:09 < {Daniel}> it's seriously deleted. zomg, thats so lame.
2008-02-18 04:09 < zvook> no they were really admins with red cheeks?
2008-02-18 04:09 < {Daniel}> ah well, redlinked cats are fun.
2008-02-18 04:09 < Miranda> gosh...
2008-02-18 04:10 < Miranda> sorry...:-P yeah rogue editors still exist
2008-02-18 04:10 < {Daniel}> indeed. *deletes*
2008-02-18 04:11 < White_Cat> zvook pikachu admins?
2008-02-18 04:11 < White_Cat> we should require our admins to yell "pi-ka-CHUUU!" each time they make a block :)
2008-02-18 04:12 < zvook> pikachu has been redirected. next up, mickey mouse.
2008-02-18 04:13 < DannyLilithborne> you know, this mass deletion of IP userspace is probably helpful and all, but it really gets in the way of my delete junk repost patrol ^_^
2008-02-18 04:13 < White_Cat> zvook it has been redirectified I think
2008-02-18 04:14 < zvook> oh really? i was joking.
2008-02-18 04:16 < White_Cat> Bulbasaur was
2008-02-18 04:16 < White_Cat> and he said Pikachu was next
2008-02-18 04:16 < White_Cat> let me verify
2008-02-18 04:16 < zvook> indeed, that was the comment i was parodying ;)
2008-02-18 04:16 < White_Cat> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pikachu&diff=185258253&oldid=183839638
2008-02-18 04:16 < White_Cat> yup
2008-02-18 04:19 < zvook> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bulbasaur&diff=cur&oldid=185980087
2008-02-18 04:19 < zvook> i spose it's an ambiguous comment
2008-02-18 04:21 < TroubleClef> Why did they decided to merge them all into one list, anyway?
2008-02-18 04:21 < TroubleClef> They lost a lot of content that way.
2008-02-18 04:21 < zvook> guideline dealing with notability
2008-02-18 04:22 < TroubleClef> How many times was the fact that every Simpson's episode has an article brought up during that debate?
2008-02-18 04:22 < zvook> dunno
2008-02-18 04:23 < zvook> whole seasons of simpsons are FAs and GAs though
2008-02-18 04:24 < TroubleClef> If I ever want any info about the Pokemon I just open up their Pokedex entries in various emulators, so it doesn't bother me, I'd just figure that a Wikiproject for Pokemon would want as much Pokemon content as possible.
2008-02-18 04:24 < zvook> as much encyclopedic pokemon content as possible
2008-02-18 04:25 < zvook> which i hereby nominate as the wiki's new tagline
2008-02-18 04:25 < jerkface03> i stopped playing pokemon after i finished blue and red :(
2008-02-18 04:25 < TroubleClef> Weren't the articles just merged forms of their Pokedex entries?
2008-02-18 04:26 < {Daniel}> TroubleClef: has anyone managed to emulate the latest ones?
2008-02-18 04:26 < TroubleClef> {Daniel}: no$GBA
2008-02-18 04:26 < TroubleClef> Played some of Diamond last week. Emulates pretty well.
2008-02-18 04:27 < {Daniel}> TroubleClef: PM
2008-02-18 04:27 < bridezilla> "The phonograph, or gramophone, was the most common device for playing recorded sound from the 1870s through the 1980s." <-- Really? 1980s?!
2008-02-18 04:28 < zvook> sure
2008-02-18 04:28 < zvook> brothers in arms was '85
2008-02-18 04:29 < zvook> i don't think CDs sold at all til then really
2008-02-18 04:29 < zvook> i dunno about how popular cassettes were though, hmmm
2008-02-18 04:30 < zvook> "Brothers in Arms was one of the first albums to be directed at the CD market, being the first full digital recording (DDD). It was also released on vinyl and cassette. This was also the first album to sell one million copies in the CD format and to outsell its LP version."
2008-02-18 04:32 < zvook> as i recall, that album on CD was more of a fad, than the tipping point, if you know what i mean
2008-02-18 04:34 < White_Cat> zvook well
2008-02-18 04:34 < bridezilla> zvook: Duuuuh! Hello?
2008-02-18 04:34 < White_Cat> the issue isnt notability at all
2008-02-18 04:34 < bridezilla> Vinyl?
2008-02-18 04:35 < White_Cat> I would wager all pokemon episode to be 'notable'
2008-02-18 04:35 < bridezilla> Or is that included in "phonograph"?
2008-02-18 04:35 < zvook> bridezilla: yup it is :)
2008-02-18 04:35 < bridezilla> Really?
2008-02-18 04:35 < zvook> mhm
2008-02-18 04:35 < bridezilla> Isn't a vinyl player a "stereo"?
2008-02-18 04:35 * brown_cat throws bread at White_Cat
2008-02-18 04:35 < White_Cat> but I lack a crowd like wikiproject simpsons to imrpove them at a stunning rate
2008-02-18 04:36 < TroubleClef> What is the issue, then?
2008-02-18 04:36 < zvook> the issue is a perception of notability
2008-02-18 04:36 < zvook> or the lack thereof
2008-02-18 04:37 < White_Cat> its the old argument WP:PAPER
2008-02-18 04:37 < White_Cat> well
2008-02-18 04:37 < White_Cat> PAPER vs N