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2008-02-17 12:13 < Mercerism> my penis was as big as my thigh
2008-02-17 12:13 < Mike_H> Sfan00: The US and the UK have the same "priority" with smoking in terms of how many people in the populace do it.
2008-02-17 12:13 < Mike_H> which the percentage for both countries is around 20%.
2008-02-17 12:13 < Sfan00> And falling?
2008-02-17 12:13 < NotAPolecat> which is already hell of a lot less than, say, in 1980.
2008-02-17 12:13 < Mike_H> Not rapidly, no, but it is declining.
2008-02-17 12:14 < Sfan00> The UK and US need to tackle the pushers so they don't move to say China or India...
2008-02-17 12:14 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: I think the numbers were in the upper 20s in 1980.
2008-02-17 12:14 < NotAPolecat> and still they feel the need to "tackle" an issue that is shrinking to reasonable size all on its own
2008-02-17 12:14 < Mike_H> Now it's around 20, 21.
2008-02-17 12:14 < CharlotteWebb> i doubt only 20% of americans smoke
2008-02-17 12:14 < Mike_H> CharlotteWebb: Where are you from?
2008-02-17 12:14 < NotAPolecat> Well, they were certainly much higher among adult Europeans.
2008-02-17 12:14 < Mercerism> charlotte webb is from a child's book
2008-02-17 12:14 < NotAPolecat> I would say close to if not more than half.
2008-02-17 12:14 < Sfan00> becuase in a decades time smoking is going to hurt developing economies
2008-02-17 12:15 < Mercerism> she hatched eggs behind wilbur's ear and the hatchlings ate the swine
2008-02-17 12:15 < Sfan00> Far worse than it currently hurts developed ones
2008-02-17 12:15 < NotAPolecat> That's theirs to legislate, not ours.
2008-02-17 12:15 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: That's ridiculous. No, about 20% of the US smokes, down from 22% in 1995.
2008-02-17 12:15 < Mike_H> That's still 60 million people.
2008-02-17 12:15 < Mike_H> Some people tend to forget that the US is still a pretty big country.
2008-02-17 12:16 < NotAPolecat> yea... well I think half the adult population certainly in the 1970s smoked
2008-02-17 12:16 < NotAPolecat> here in Europe
2008-02-17 12:16 < CharlotteWebb> i guess my name sounds like north carolina
2008-02-17 12:16 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: I think here it was in the 30s.
2008-02-17 12:16 < NotAPolecat> now it's almost pornographic to see a celebrity or authority figure smoke.
2008-02-17 12:16 < Mercerism> charlotte's vile web of deception and malice killed wilbur's owners family
2008-02-17 12:16 < Mike_H> People started quitting (or dying) when the Surgeon General released his warnings about smoking.
2008-02-17 12:16 < NotAPolecat> (cigarettes anyway)
2008-02-17 12:17 < Mike_H> (in 1964)
2008-02-17 12:17 < NotAPolecat> haha
2008-02-17 12:17 < NotAPolecat> thats like saying "today we couldn't even imagine life without gravity"
2008-02-17 12:18 < Mercerism> when the natural tobacco company American Spirit was bought by RJ reynolds they still had a factsheet on their website saying big tobacco companies are evil
2008-02-17 12:18 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: Smoking was popular in the US in the middle 20th century, but I don't think it was ever as popular here as it was in Europe.
2008-02-17 12:19 < NotAPolecat> oh, there's a lot of pseudo-indie astroturfing in food and related things
2008-02-17 12:19 < Mike_H> In the US, the UK got a reputation as being "a chimney" with all their smokers.
2008-02-17 12:19 < NotAPolecat> Yea, I think
2008-02-17 12:19 < NotAPolecat> In France, not smoking was an oddity.
2008-02-17 12:19 < NotAPolecat> in Greece, it was unheard of.
2008-02-17 12:19 < Mercerism> i invented tobacco smoking
2008-02-17 12:19 < Mike_H> Yeah, in the US it was more of an oddity to not smoke if...
2008-02-17 12:19 < Mike_H> you were a man.
2008-02-17 12:19 < NotAPolecat> brb
2008-02-17 12:19 < Mercerism> back in 1290
2008-02-17 12:19 < Mike_H> With women it wasn't that pushed.
2008-02-17 12:20 < NotAPolecat> well yea, less women smoked, certainly
2008-02-17 12:20 < NotAPolecat> more so on the political left
2008-02-17 12:20 < NotAPolecat> than in the apolitical spectrum
2008-02-17 12:20 < NotAPolecat> brb
2008-02-17 12:20 < Mike_H> Oh, in the US it wasn't really a political thing. People from every walk of life did it.
2008-02-17 12:20 < Mike_H> And different brands usually meant a different social connotation.
2008-02-17 12:21 < Mike_H> Like, even today, the brand I smoke
2008-02-17 12:21 < Mercerism> weed use is pretty prevalent in america today
2008-02-17 12:21 < Mike_H> it's "the black brand"
2008-02-17 12:21 < Mike_H> My mother doesn't find my smoking as disapproving as the brand I smoke
2008-02-17 12:21 < Mercerism> those idiots keep saying marijuana is healthier than tobacco
2008-02-17 12:21 < Sfan00> weed isn't as safe as people think
2008-02-17 12:21 < Mike_H> "You're white, why do you smoke Newport"
2008-02-17 12:21 < Mercerism> yeah ur white why do you smoke newport
2008-02-17 12:22 < Sfan00> It depends on a LOT of factors, including the type of weed used
2008-02-17 12:22 < White_Cat> Sfan00
2008-02-17 12:22 < Mike_H> Mercerism: It's the only good menthol :<
2008-02-17 12:22 < CharlotteWebb> and you generally don't know who's added what to it
2008-02-17 12:22 < NotAPolecat> the overwhelming majority of people my age who smoke are women.
2008-02-17 12:22 < Mercerism> oh i dont smoke so i dunno
2008-02-17 12:22 < NotAPolecat> Probably over 80%
2008-02-17 12:22 < Sfan00> White_cat: Hi
2008-02-17 12:22 < White_Cat> Sfan00 mind looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Episodes_and_characters_2/Evidence/by_White_Cat#Statistical_analysis
2008-02-17 12:22 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: How old are you?
2008-02-17 12:22 < NotAPolecat> 20-25
2008-02-17 12:22 < White_Cat> do you think any one of those entries are retarded?
2008-02-17 12:23 < Mike_H> Here it's rather split
2008-02-17 12:23 < Mike_H> Both men and women still smoke in equal numbers.
2008-02-17 12:23 < Mike_H> More women smoke now than in the '50s, definitely
2008-02-17 12:23 < NotAPolecat> I think it's an emotional thing here.
2008-02-17 12:23 < Mike_H> where's here? Germany?
2008-02-17 12:23 < NotAPolecat> guys aren't as emotionally stressed, typically
2008-02-17 12:23 < NotAPolecat> yea
2008-02-17 12:24 < NotAPolecat> and that's mostly the reason why people start
2008-02-17 12:24 < Sfan00> White_Cat: Cant fault your analysis, but I am wrong the person to ask
2008-02-17 12:24 < NotAPolecat> or *get into it*
2008-02-17 12:24 < Mike_H> Yeah, here a big problem is still peer pressure
2008-02-17 12:24 < CharlotteWebb> heh
2008-02-17 12:24 < Mike_H> or not pressure as much as the desire for whatever reason to do what your friends are doing
2008-02-17 12:24 < White_Cat> mm
2008-02-17 12:24 < CharlotteWebb> back to discussing germany again
2008-02-17 12:24 < NotAPolecat> Maybe girls are more susceptible to that.
2008-02-17 12:24 < Mercerism> I READ SOMETHING RELATED IN A BOOK
2008-02-17 12:24 * White_Cat needs a sane person to preform these sanity checks
2008-02-17 12:24 < Mercerism> i know most of you dont read so please bare with me
2008-02-17 12:24 < Mike_H> I started smoking when I got a high-pressure on-call job.
2008-02-17 12:25 < NotAPolecat> CharlotteWebb: Don't worry, the Real Man (tm) isn't on.
2008-02-17 12:25 < Mercerism> the book was by someone called studs terkel and it was entitled Working, where he interviewed many people
2008-02-17 12:25 < zvook> :o
2008-02-17 12:25 < CharlotteWebb> i wanted to hear about the interviews
2008-02-17 12:26 < NotAPolecat> cause Real Men judge people on their nationality and never make programming mistakes.
2008-02-17 12:26 < Mike_H> first he made the penis joke and then he made the "I know most of you don't read" crack
2008-02-17 12:26 < Mike_H> CharlotteWebb: he was a troll.
2008-02-17 12:26 < Mike_H> you're not gonna.
2008-02-17 12:27 < NotAPolecat> I'll brb.
2008-02-17 12:27 < Mike_H> Oh
2008-02-17 12:27 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat is TheWeasel
2008-02-17 12:27 < Mike_H> isn't it.
2008-02-17 12:28 < NotAPolecat> INIT M8
2008-02-17 12:28 < Hello32020> all the maps of europe have to be remade now
2008-02-17 12:28 < Mike_H> I just figured that out like right now.
2008-02-17 12:28 < Mike_H> I feel dumb
2008-02-17 12:28 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-02-17 12:28 < NotAPolecat> heh
2008-02-17 12:28 < NotAPolecat> yea I got disconnected and didn't bother to ghost my name
2008-02-17 12:30 < CharlotteWebb> hello32020 things like that will make you wish we kept better track of our images
2008-02-17 12:30 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: But different regions of the country and different minority groups have different percentages of smoking
2008-02-17 12:30 < Mike_H> like, the South not only has a higher percentage of smoking
2008-02-17 12:30 < Mike_H> it also has the highest percentage in the country for chewing tobacco
2008-02-17 12:30 < Mike_H> usually teenagers in the rural South are introduced to chew before cigarettes.
2008-02-17 12:31 < NotAPolecat> I've only seen Scandinavians chewing tobacco, as a loophole
2008-02-17 12:31 < NotAPolecat> because cigarettes are expensive
2008-02-17 12:31 < NotAPolecat> Males of course.
2008-02-17 12:31 < Mike_H> yeah, some of our most popular brands of snuff are Danish
2008-02-17 12:31 < Mike_H> or Norwegian
2008-02-17 12:31 < Mike_H> Copenhagen snuff, for example
2008-02-17 12:31 < NotAPolecat> Yea, I saw it in Norway.
2008-02-17 12:31 < CharlotteWebb> or because there are too many non-smoking zones it becomes (disgusting) alternative
2008-02-17 12:32 < NotAPolecat> Yea, yellows ones teeth
2008-02-17 12:32 < NotAPolecat> not nice
2008-02-17 12:32 < shimgray> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23185937/ - Airport security: Keeping Americans Safe.
2008-02-17 12:33 < NotAPolecat> But I really must.
2008-02-17 12:33 < NotAPolecat> Brb.
2008-02-17 12:34 < Sfan00> shimgray: Sick
2008-02-17 12:34 < Sfan00> :(
2008-02-17 12:34 < Sfan00> America's prepared to kill babies to protect itself from imagined 'terror' threats
2008-02-17 12:35 < Sfan00> :(
2008-02-17 12:35 < CharlotteWebb> the irony
2008-02-17 12:35 < quanticle> We must kill the baby in order to protect it
2008-02-17 12:36 < Sfan00> Quanticle : Hmm
2008-02-17 12:37 < Mike_H> We don't have many non-smoking zones in the US.
2008-02-17 12:37 < Mike_H> Like, here, basically it's just public buildings, businesses, and restaurants
2008-02-17 12:37 < Mike_H> it varies by city and state, but those are the ones where I live.
2008-02-17 12:38 < Mike_H> and the restaurant ban wasn't passed until five years ago
2008-02-17 12:38 < Mike_H> Banning smoking in bars is where I draw the line.
2008-02-17 12:39 < Mike_H> I think it'd be bad for business. Smokers wouldn't want to drink there.
2008-02-17 12:39 < CharlotteWebb> yeah that's ridiculous
2008-02-17 12:39 < shimgray> the effects of the blanket ban were incredible, mind you, from a public-health perspective
2008-02-17 12:40 < Sfan00> Such as?
2008-02-17 12:40 < Sfan00> A lot of quitters?
2008-02-17 12:40 < Mike_H> Sfan00: Can I ask you a question?
2008-02-17 12:40 < zvook> also from a smirting point of view
2008-02-17 12:40 < Sfan00> Mike_H: yeah
2008-02-17 12:40 < Mike_H> How old are you?
2008-02-17 12:40 < shimgray> 17% drop in heart attacks - *20% among non-smokers*; 40% lower smoking exposure in children
2008-02-17 12:40 < Sfan00> Over 21
2008-02-17 12:40 < zvook> as in, going outside for a smoke and flirting with the other smokers
2008-02-17 12:40 < Mike_H> Sfan00: Why the secrecy about the age? I'm 22.
2008-02-17 12:40 < shimgray> (over the first year of the ban in Scotland, year-on-year figures)
2008-02-17 12:40 < CharlotteWebb> smokers are more talkative
2008-02-17 12:41 < Mike_H> CharlotteWebb: lulz
2008-02-17 12:41 < Drunken_Idiot> Ello thought I drop by and say Hello
2008-02-17 12:41 < Mike_H> and they're better at...
2008-02-17 12:41 < Mike_H> other things
2008-02-17 12:41 < Sfan00> Mike_H: I was told you don't reveal you age on IRC
2008-02-17 12:41 < CharlotteWebb> then again so are drinkers
2008-02-17 12:41 < zvook> oral things?
2008-02-17 12:41 < Mike_H> the oral fixation and all
2008-02-17 12:41 < zvook> heh
2008-02-17 12:41 < Sfan00> At least not in detail
2008-02-17 12:41 < Drunken_Idiot> Sfan00: Been a long time ;)
2008-02-17 12:41 < Drunken_Idiot> Mike_H: I see you Huggles
2008-02-17 12:41 < Mike_H> Sfan00: That's for like a 12-year-old.
2008-02-17 12:41 * Mike_H huggles
2008-02-17 12:41 < Mike_H> When you're old enough to pay your own bills and live in your own house, it's okay to reveal your age.
2008-02-17 12:41 < shimgray> (the previous year-on-year heart attack figure changes was 3%, so the 17% is bloody amazing)
2008-02-17 12:41 < NotAPolecat> Mike_H: And people who are at that level of awareness might just as well
2008-02-17 12:41 < NotAPolecat> :-D
2008-02-17 12:42 < Sfan00> I still thinks it's good advice not to try and give ASL in too much depth on IRC
2008-02-17 12:42 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: :DD
2008-02-17 12:42 < NotAPolecat> because manipulation would then be hard
2008-02-17 12:42 < Mike_H> Sfan00: I didn't ask for your birthdate and place, dearest, I just asked for an age.
2008-02-17 12:42 * NotAPolecat needs a shower
2008-02-17 12:42 < CharlotteWebb> yeah because daniel brandt is watching you
2008-02-17 12:42 < Sfan00> As I said Over 21 and closer to 30
2008-02-17 12:42 < Mike_H> Oh, so 33.
2008-02-17 12:42 < Sfan00> Nah
2008-02-17 12:42 < Mike_H> It's a vanity thing.
2008-02-17 12:42 < Mike_H> Got it.
2008-02-17 12:43 < Sfan00> The reason I don't give my gender is that I am not sure about it
2008-02-17 12:43 < Hello32020> Kosovo has a flag now
2008-02-17 12:43 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-17 12:43 < Hello32020> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Kosovo.svg
2008-02-17 12:43 < Mike_H> Sfan00: Oh, well, darlin', I didn't ask that much detail ;)
2008-02-17 12:43 * Drunken_Idiot shoots Sfan00
2008-02-17 12:43 < Sfan00> And I don't give it locations given the nature of a relatives employment
2008-02-17 12:43 < Sfan00> *out
2008-02-17 12:44 * NotAPolecat sends secret spy messages
2008-02-17 12:44 < NotAPolecat> Your uncle might use those
2008-02-17 12:44 < Sfan00> Druken_idiot: I wear an IRC equivalnt of Kevlar at times...
2008-02-17 12:44 < NotAPolecat> :-P
2008-02-17 12:44 < Drunken_Idiot> Sfan00: Fine !! How are you :P ?
2008-02-17 12:44 < Fabexplosive> hello
2008-02-17 12:44 < Sfan00> NotApoleCat: You know I cannot confrim or deny that
2008-02-17 12:44 < NotAPolecat> Just deny it, it's alright
2008-02-17 12:45 < NotAPolecat> not confirming or denying just gets people curious
2008-02-17 12:45 < CharlotteWebb> hello32020 is this freshly designed by our kosovar friends or did we just wait until today to upload it
2008-02-17 12:46 < NotAPolecat> that is oddly close to the bosnian flag
2008-02-17 12:46 < NotAPolecat> and the Bosnians aren't as close to Albania
2008-02-17 12:46 < Buffalosoldier92> I thought Kosovo was going to declare independence from Sunday?!
2008-02-17 12:47 < NotAPolecat> It has.
2008-02-17 12:47 < Buffalosoldier92> *If you were here last night, you would know
2008-02-17 12:47 < Mike_H> I'd like to declare my independence from the work week.
2008-02-17 12:47 < Hello32020> from Serbia :P
2008-02-17 12:47 < NotAPolecat> It's now an integral part of Monday.
2008-02-17 12:47 < Buffalosoldier92> I know
2008-02-17 12:47 < Buffalosoldier92> rofl
2008-02-17 12:47 < Hello32020> their flag is uber
2008-02-17 12:47 < NotAPolecat> The Serbian Army is trying to be Taking Back Sunday
2008-02-17 12:48 < NotAPolecat> "über" is a prefix and a preposition, not an adjective
2008-02-17 12:48 * Buffalosoldier92 laughs
2008-02-17 12:48 < Hello32020> CNN International is covering kosovo independence
2008-02-17 12:49 < NotAPolecat> This just in: The Kosovan Republic is STILL independent.
2008-02-17 12:49 * Mike_H NP: Billy Joel - Tell Her About It (1983)
2008-02-17 12:49 < Drunken_Idiot> Hello32020: I am tired of that every 2 second I get updates on my laptops, phone and everywhere I am tired of Politics and the news :P
2008-02-17 12:49 * NotAPolecat hates corny 80s saxophone solos, and I'll be damned if that song doesn't contain one
2008-02-17 12:49 < Hello32020> Is Kosovo prepared for any military retaliation (not likely just wondering)
2008-02-17 12:50 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: It isn't supposed to be an '80s-sounding song :<
2008-02-17 12:50 < Drunken_Idiot> Hello32020: Not really.
2008-02-17 12:50 < Drunken_Idiot> Hello32020: They are wild people.
2008-02-17 12:50 < NotAPolecat> Hello32020: Unless the Albanians intervene, no.
2008-02-17 12:50 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: It's supposed to be "set in 1963." The music video gives more insight.
2008-02-17 12:50 < Hello32020> Doesn't UN have forces there (And I assume NATO AFBs are nearby)
2008-02-17 12:50 < NotAPolecat> haha
2008-02-17 12:50 < NotAPolecat> brb
2008-02-17 12:50 < NotAPolecat> the UN and NATO have no stance on Kosovan independence
2008-02-17 12:50 < Drunken_Idiot> Hello32020: They do, but the process is long.
2008-02-17 12:51 < NotAPolecat> they can't take sides at all
2008-02-17 12:51 < Hello32020> No I'm just saying if Serbia attacked
2008-02-17 12:51 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: The video recreated the Sullivan show
2008-02-17 12:51 < Mike_H> and a performance
2008-02-17 12:51 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omFqlr_kso0
2008-02-17 12:52 < Mike_H> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ed_Sullivan_Show
2008-02-17 12:52 < Mike_H> The Ed Sullivan Show is an American television variety show that ran from June 20, 1948 to June 6, 1971, and was hosted by former entertainment columnist Ed Sullivan. It ran on CBS every Sunday night at 8pm, and is one of the few shows to have been run in the same time slot, weekly on the same day of the week, and on the same network, for more than two decades.
2008-02-17 12:52 < Hello32020> Russian Amb. speaking at UN
2008-02-17 12:53 * CharlotteWebb falls down
2008-02-17 12:53 < Mike_H> Virtually every type of entertainment appeared on the show; opera singers, rock stars, songwriters, comedians, ballet dancers, and circus acts were regularly featured.
2008-02-17 12:53 < NotAPolecat> well, the UN will have to be on the Serb side, because I guess territorial integrity is a pretty big part of the law of nations
2008-02-17 12:53 < Hello32020> Russia asking for U.N. Sec. Council Emer. Meeting
2008-02-17 12:53 < Mike_H> The last Ed Sullivan Show was episode #1071, aired on March 28, 1971. It featured the following musical acts: Melanie, Joanna Simon, Danny Davis and the Nashville Brass and Sandler and Young.
2008-02-17 12:53 < NotAPolecat> and the Kosovan independence is fairly badly prepared
2008-02-17 12:54 < Hello32020> U.S. would veto any resolution aganist kosovo's indepedence (U.K. and France also probably)
2008-02-17 12:54 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: Ed Sullivan didn't know his show was going to be canceled, so they didn't air a lavish final episode
2008-02-17 12:55 < Mike_H> Melanie was the headliner in the last episode, singing her current hit "Lay Down (Candles in the Rain)"
2008-02-17 12:55 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz9sjMGUM9k
2008-02-17 12:55 < NotAPolecat> I just know that Melanie once made a completely horrible cover of Ruby Tuesday
2008-02-17 12:55 < Mike_H> this was actually the performance, but it's in black and white
2008-02-17 12:55 < NotAPolecat> brb
2008-02-17 12:55 < Hello32020> Protection off Kosovo I think
2008-02-17 12:57 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat:
2008-02-17 12:57 < Mike_H> Melanie Anne Safka-Schekeryk (born February 3, 1947 in Astoria, New York City) is an American singer-songwriter.
2008-02-17 12:57 < Mike_H> Usually known professionally simply as Melanie, she is best known for her hits, "Brand New Key", "Lay Down (Candles in the Rain)" and "What Have They Done To My Song, Ma?"
2008-02-17 12:58 < Mike_H> "Brand New Key" was actually the top-selling song in the US for 1972 and Melanie got a special award from Billboard for it.
2008-02-17 12:59 * Ceiling_Cat returns
2008-02-17 12:59 < Mike_H> but Lay Down is my favorite song of hers
2008-02-17 12:59 < Hello32020> u.n. emergency meeting is Sunday Afternoon Eastern (U.S.) Time
2008-02-17 12:59 * Drunken_Idiot hugs Ceiling_Cat emotionaly
2008-02-17 13:07 < Hello32020> cnn says nato has 16k troops in kosovo
2008-02-17 13:07 < Drunken_Idiot> Hello32020: Well I am out of UN , Politics , Republican Party and ....
2008-02-17 13:07 < Hello32020> heh
2008-02-17 13:15 < NotAPolecat> Meanwhile in a boring, forgotten place called Afghanistan
2008-02-17 13:15 < NotAPolecat> "At least 80 people have been killed in a suicide bombing outside the Afghan city of Kandahar - in what appears to be the deadliest attack since 2001."
2008-02-17 13:15 < Hello32020> Should I work on my paper thats due tuesday
2008-02-17 13:15 < NotAPolecat> that's the war we've won.
2008-02-17 13:15 < NotAPolecat> (supposedly)
2008-02-17 13:17 < NotAPolecat> "je vivais à l'écart/de la place publique/serein, contemplatif/ténèbreux, bucolique..."
2008-02-17 13:17 * NotAPolecat listens
2008-02-17 13:20 < TiCPU> is it normal each time I load an article I see my browser waiting to load something from sam.zoy.org/ ?
2008-02-17 13:22 < sam> you're probably using godmode-light.js
2008-02-17 13:22 < TiCPU> oh, seems like I'm talking to the right person :)
2008-02-17 13:23 < CharlotteWebb> heheheh
2008-02-17 13:23 < TiCPU> seems right! didn't think it made references to your domain, that must make a big load
2008-02-17 13:23 < sam> it's quite light actually
2008-02-17 13:24 < CharlotteWebb> a smart browser will cache it
2008-02-17 13:24 < Xihix> So, we found out a former Simpsons director editted his page
2008-02-17 13:24 * NotAPolecat now feels self-conscious for the French spelling error up there
2008-02-17 13:24 < Miranda> Xihix: who?
2008-02-17 13:24 < TiCPU> Firefox 2.0.0.11, it seems every ~5-6 pages it reloads
2008-02-17 13:24 < NotAPolecat> Xihix: To remove what?
2008-02-17 13:24 < Xihix> Wes Archer
2008-02-17 13:25 < Xihix> No, he added his homepage
2008-02-17 13:25 < NotAPolecat> it's "ténébreux", so there
2008-02-17 13:25 < NotAPolecat> Oh, right
2008-02-17 13:25 * NotAPolecat isn't really as CoI-paranoid as most people
2008-02-17 13:25 < NotAPolecat> it always depends on what they add or subtract
2008-02-17 13:26 < Xihix> So yeah, it's pretty cool that he did that.
2008-02-17 13:26 < CharlotteWebb> ticpu you can ask a friendly admin to give you the real rollback button
2008-02-17 13:26 < Sfan00> http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/galeridetay.aspx?cid=9837&p=6&rid=2 Lightning?
2008-02-17 13:26 < TiCPU> that would be an easy fix right
2008-02-17 13:27 * NotAPolecat randompages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Sokolov and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBL_%28Australia%29_Blocks_per_game back-to-back
2008-02-17 13:27 < NotAPolecat> rather terrible
2008-02-17 13:27 < Xihix> question
2008-02-17 13:27 < Xihix> if I buy and wear a Wikipedia hat
2008-02-17 13:27 < Xihix> do I become uncool?
2008-02-17 13:27 < NotAPolecat> In a hip-hop club, yes.
2008-02-17 13:27 < Xihix> aw.
2008-02-17 13:27 < CharlotteWebb> you might start with something more subtle like a t-shirt
2008-02-17 13:28 < NotAPolecat> You need "boots wid da fur" for those venues
2008-02-17 13:28 < Xihix> haha
2008-02-17 13:28 < Xihix> I get it.
2008-02-17 13:28 < Xihix> It's from that song i hear on TV
2008-02-17 13:28 < NotAPolecat> I think it depends on the venue.
2008-02-17 13:28 < NotAPolecat> Yea.
2008-02-17 13:28 < NotAPolecat> it's probably never better than ironic.
2008-02-17 13:29 < NotAPolecat> except on Wikimania.
2008-02-17 13:29 < TiCPU> I compltely forgot my monobook.js was contaning something, I just noticed since I changed from Opera to Firefox
2008-02-17 13:33 < NotAPolecat> „Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum, quia dolor sit, amet, consectetur, adipisci velit […]“
2008-02-17 13:34 < NotAPolecat> Dolorem ipsum, quia dolor sit!
2008-02-17 13:34 < NotAPolecat> pain itself cause it's pain!
2008-02-17 13:35 < NotAPolecat> This page painfully left blank.
2008-02-17 13:35 < TiCPU> well, thanks for the fast answer sam!
2008-02-17 13:35 < CharlotteWebb> nackt verkauf der lederhosen
2008-02-17 13:36 < NotAPolecat> Nacktverkauf?
2008-02-17 13:36 < CharlotteWebb> oops wrong latin
2008-02-17 13:36 < NotAPolecat> Nude business?
2008-02-17 13:36 < CharlotteWebb> "naked short selling"
2008-02-17 13:36 < NotAPolecat> heh
2008-02-17 13:37 < NotAPolecat> There was a German comedian who discussed the then current events of "Nacktbadeverbot" and "Nachtbackverbot"
2008-02-17 13:37 < NotAPolecat> the ban on swimming nude and the ban on baking at night
2008-02-17 13:37 < NotAPolecat> so he constructed a Nacktbackverbot
2008-02-17 13:37 < CharlotteWebb> ban on nude baking?
2008-02-17 13:37 < NotAPolecat> yea
2008-02-17 13:37 < NotAPolecat> groovy
2008-02-17 13:39 < NotAPolecat> after that came a rather obscure pun concerning Backzwang "forcible baking" and Bhagwan (where a yogi teaches meditation)
2008-02-17 13:40 < Mike_H> <NotAPolecat> the ban on swimming nude
2008-02-17 13:40 < Mike_H> A BAN ON SWIMMING NUDE?
2008-02-17 13:40 < Mike_H> Absolutely totalitarian :<
2008-02-17 13:40 < NotAPolecat> not federally
2008-02-17 13:40 < NotAPolecat> but municipalities can regulate that
2008-02-17 13:40 < CharlotteWebb> i get the feeling the german language is replete with obscure puns
2008-02-17 13:40 < NotAPolecat> it's broken anyway
2008-02-17 13:40 < NotAPolecat> it is
2008-02-17 13:41 < NotAPolecat> there are many groaners
2008-02-17 13:41 < NotAPolecat> like people meaning "zum Beispiel" (for instance) and say "zum Bleistift" (to the pen)
2008-02-17 13:41 < NotAPolecat> *pencil
2008-02-17 13:41 < White_Cat> Ban swiming colthed
2008-02-17 13:42 < White_Cat> if god wanted us to swim clothed he would create us with swiming suits
2008-02-17 13:42 < White_Cat> now ban men from swiming nude
2008-02-17 13:43 < White_Cat> ;)
2008-02-17 13:43 < Arwen> lol?
2008-02-17 13:43 < CharlotteWebb> all you need is an environmentalist study about lint in the water
2008-02-17 13:44 < NotAPolecat> I've seen an early Eric Idle stunt where he stands in white tie in knee-deep water
2008-02-17 13:44 < NotAPolecat> complete with monocle
2008-02-17 13:44 < rapisforthug> $1? I'm guessing they missed out the parameter on the read-only message?
2008-02-17 13:44 < NotAPolecat> saying DECENCY ON BRITAIN'S BEACHES
2008-02-17 13:44 < CharlotteWebb> rapisforthug you need to make a small donation
2008-02-17 13:46 < NotAPolecat> those cutaway tailcoats look insanely silly
2008-02-17 13:46 < rapisforthug> that has to be a lie.
2008-02-17 13:46 < rapisforthug> since it is, after all
2008-02-17 13:46 < rapisforthug> the 'free' encyclopedia
2008-02-17 13:46 < rapisforthug> and i have donated many a time
2008-02-17 13:47 < rapisforthug> i suggest you check your facts ;)
2008-02-17 13:50 < bumm13> 76;p'[
2008-02-17 13:50 < NotAPolecat> John 3:16?
2008-02-17 13:50 < NotAPolecat> Man, John lost pretty heavily there
2008-02-17 13:50 < Buffalosoldier92> 76;p'[?
2008-02-17 13:51 < NotAPolecat> And who had the 16 points, anyway
2008-02-17 13:51 < bumm13> u7ok=]\-;[pppp7?
2008-02-17 13:52 < NotAPolecat> should be John 3:16 N.N.
2008-02-17 13:52 < CharlotteWebb> "non-notable"
2008-02-17 13:52 < geniice> too nasty?
2008-02-17 13:52 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ward3001&diff=192109867&oldid=192108488
2008-02-17 13:55 < HiFly> hi
2008-02-17 13:55 < geniice> IRan doesn't like US
2008-02-17 13:55 < geniice> http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-236/0802179464180019.htm
2008-02-17 13:56 < rapisforthug> @geniice - I don't get it.
2008-02-17 13:56 < NotAPolecat> You don't say!
2008-02-17 13:58 < Xihix> I CAN FEEL IT COMING IN THE AIR TONIGHT
2008-02-17 13:59 < NotAPolecat> Today is the beginning of Cold War II!
2008-02-17 14:00 < CharlotteWebb> oh lord, oh lord
2008-02-17 14:00 < TehLord> Yes?
2008-02-17 14:02 < Martinp23> Wikinews is interviewing Jeff Jacobson, the creator of the memorial and anti-Scientology website LisaMcPherson.org. <==== in #wikinews-interviews (now)
2008-02-17 14:02 < Martinp23> If anyone's interested, and apologies for the cross spamming :)
2008-02-17 14:02 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-17 14:08 < geniice> rapisforthug what don't you get?
2008-02-17 14:40 < Lycurgus> .oO("rapisForThug", hmmm. Could be like Serapis, you know, the cult of Isis)
2008-02-17 14:55 < Lubaf> Slashdot is todhsals backwards.
2008-02-17 14:56 < Lubaf> Tod H. Sals: A brilliant alias!
2008-02-17 14:56 < savagerose> really nice..
2008-02-17 14:57 < Lubaf> Parry Hotter.
2008-02-17 14:58 < Lubaf> Come on! Let's hear your lamest aliases!
2008-02-17 14:58 < Lycurgus> don't get me started
2008-02-17 14:59 < Rinn> Norbert P. Halls. It works particularly badly for me because I'm not male.
2008-02-17 15:01 < noclip> just bought a wacom bamboo
2008-02-17 15:01 < noclip> this this is really nice
2008-02-17 15:01 < noclip> the pen kinda hurts after a while
2008-02-17 15:01 < geniice> I suspect we currently have 210K unfree images and a whole heap of out and out copyvios
2008-02-17 15:01 < noclip> the thing i'm wondering
2008-02-17 15:02 < noclip> do any of you know of any tablet, ehrm, tutorials?
2008-02-17 15:02 < noclip> not art tutorials, and not "press button a to do x"
2008-02-17 15:02 < noclip> but useful tricks
2008-02-17 15:15 < Sfan00> Anyone on vandal watch re Kosovo?
2008-02-17 15:16 < OverlordQ> it got unprotected?
2008-02-17 15:16 < Sfan00> It was protected - good
2008-02-17 15:16 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-17 15:16 < Sfan00> Anyone see Kylu?
2008-02-17 15:17 < Mike2> http://img.waffleimages.com/7eecd3a8ce4acfa6aab54c26cf63afe4a4f77693/liononhorse.jpg
2008-02-17 15:26 < White_Cat> Sfan00 you cant protect Kosovo if NATO cant handle it
2008-02-17 15:26 < Sfan00> Hmm
2008-02-17 15:26 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-17 15:27 < White_Cat> Sfan00 what if [[Kosovo]] wants independence from our policies?
2008-02-17 15:27 < White_Cat> We need an ion cannon Sfan00
2008-02-17 15:27 < White_Cat> like the one used in russia
2008-02-17 15:27 < White_Cat> ;)
2008-02-17 15:27 < White_Cat> :D
2008-02-17 15:27 < White_Cat> =D
2008-02-17 15:28 < Sfan00> White_Cat: They wanted self-determination
2008-02-17 15:28 < White_Cat> xD
2008-02-17 15:28 < Sfan00> Now watch Serbia cut the power
2008-02-17 15:28 < Sfan00> and gas :(
2008-02-17 15:28 < White_Cat> Serbia lacks gas
2008-02-17 15:28 < White_Cat> and power
2008-02-17 15:28 < White_Cat> serbia needs their money
2008-02-17 15:28 < White_Cat> serbia is chibi
2008-02-17 15:28 < Sfan00> You Know what I meant;)
2008-02-17 15:31 < Lubaf> Lift up the receiver I'll make you a believer...
2008-02-17 15:41 * White_Cat believes Lubaf
2008-02-17 15:41 < White_Cat> I believe
2008-02-17 15:41 < White_Cat> I believe I can fly
2008-02-17 15:41 < White_Cat> I believe I can touch the sky
2008-02-17 15:41 < White_Cat> I believe it every night and day
2008-02-17 15:41 * Buffalosoldier92 shoots White_Cat
2008-02-17 15:42 < White_Cat> Till I fall down and hurt my back
2008-02-17 15:42 < Buffalosoldier92> lol
2008-02-17 15:42 < White_Cat> I believe I can fly
2008-02-17 15:42 < Sfan00> White_Cat: That's why you should not do drugs...
2008-02-17 15:42 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-17 15:42 < Taza_insane> What is the wikipedia policy on telling people to suck my cock on talk pages?
2008-02-17 15:43 < White_Cat> Sfan00 right
2008-02-17 15:43 < White_Cat> Taza_insane well
2008-02-17 15:43 < Sfan00> "Solicitation of oral sex is illegal..."
2008-02-17 15:43 < Taza_insane> Not here it ain't
2008-02-17 15:43 < White_Cat> the wikipedia policy says you'll need federal aproval that you dont have aids before we do that
2008-02-17 15:43 < Sfan00> Besides WP:NOT a dating site
2008-02-17 15:43 < Lycurgus> and one pretty fucking dick
2008-02-17 15:44 < Taza_insane> "To anyone offended, read [[WP:NOT]], suck my cock and leave the internet."
2008-02-17 15:44 < Taza_insane> Err.
2008-02-17 15:44 < Taza_insane> [[WP:NOT#CENSOR]] to be precise
2008-02-17 15:44 < White_Cat> Taza_insane if you can send it over here internet I am sure we can find interested parties
2008-02-17 15:44 < White_Cat> try using a blender
2008-02-17 15:44 < Lycurgus> and not on the end of an ugly skank
2008-02-17 15:44 < White_Cat> insert it in
2008-02-17 15:44 < Taza_insane> I figure if they get offended by valid article content, they surely get offended by "suck my cock"
2008-02-17 15:45 < Buffalosoldier92> Hey Xihix
2008-02-17 15:45 < Taza_insane> Which'll hopefully piss them off enough to leave the article alone
2008-02-17 15:45 < White_Cat> Taza_insane you want men to suck it?
2008-02-17 15:45 < White_Cat> Why not seek girls?
2008-02-17 15:45 < Taza_insane> Meh, I'm bisexual.
2008-02-17 15:45 < Xihix> Hey Buffalosoldier92
2008-02-17 15:45 < White_Cat> Well...
2008-02-17 15:45 < White_Cat> But most of the people on wikipedia are not
2008-02-17 15:45 < White_Cat> so they may bite
2008-02-17 15:46 < White_Cat> err
2008-02-17 15:46 < White_Cat> [[WP:BITE]]
2008-02-17 15:46 < Xihix> I am heterosexual!
2008-02-17 15:46 * White_Cat uses Xihix as a shield
2008-02-17 15:47 < Sfan00> White_Cat: :O
2008-02-17 15:47 < White_Cat> my donut shield
2008-02-17 15:47 < White_Cat> no donut gets past him
2008-02-17 15:47 < Sfan00> Please can we keep it family friendly people
2008-02-17 15:47 < Xihix> nooo
2008-02-17 15:48 < White_Cat> Sfan00 we arent a family
2008-02-17 15:48 < Sfan00> White_Cat: Do you know who read this channel?
2008-02-17 15:48 < White_Cat> Sfan00 who has that much free time?
2008-02-17 15:48 < Sfan00> You would be suprised
2008-02-17 15:48 < Taza_insane> Sfan00: Frankly, I don't give a shit about kids.
2008-02-17 15:48 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-17 15:49 < White_Cat> Taza_insane I thought you were a pedo
2008-02-17 15:49 < Sfan00> Not being careful will convince people that IRC isn't safe
2008-02-17 15:49 < Sfan00> !op
2008-02-17 15:49 < Lycurgus> who then?
2008-02-17 15:49 < ST47> ?
2008-02-17 15:49 < Taza_insane> I use "cocksucker" and "motherfucker" and "cannot talk because he has significant problem with all the dicks on her mouth but complains anyway". And I figure the kids HAVE heard all that before.
2008-02-17 15:49 < ST47> BE NICE
2008-02-17 15:49 < Sfan00> St47: See White_Cat's comment to Taza_insane
2008-02-17 15:50 < Taza_insane> Also, IRC *isn't* safe.
2008-02-17 15:50 < Pilotguy_aw> that's it
2008-02-17 15:50 < Sfan00> Only because people refuse to use common sense
2008-02-17 15:50 < Taza_insane> Freenode isn't safe, and all their policies do nothing to improve it, to be frank.
2008-02-17 15:50 < kibble> Taza_insane: please be polite
2008-02-17 15:50 < Pilotguy> Sfan00- Either deal with it or leave
2008-02-17 15:50 < Taza_insane> kibble: I see no personal attacks.
2008-02-17 15:50 < White_Cat> Sfan00 you are reporting me to ST47?
2008-02-17 15:50 < kibble> Taza_insane: didn't say you were; just said please be polite :-)
2008-02-17 15:50 < Pilotguy> Sfan00- I'm tired of dealing with your constant whining in here about others
2008-02-17 15:50 < kibble> Sfan00: please bepolite as ell :-)
2008-02-17 15:50 < Sfan00> I was
2008-02-17 15:50 < Lycurgus> text is inherently safe unless you're stupid enough to go off yourself cause some internet people you tell something or something
2008-02-17 15:51 < Lycurgus> w
2008-02-17 15:51 < Pilotguy> Sfan00- Complaining to us rather than to the offending party directly is hardly being polite
2008-02-17 15:51 < Sfan00> OK
2008-02-17 15:51 < Sfan00> White_Cat: Chill
2008-02-17 15:51 < White_Cat> I am chilled
2008-02-17 15:51 < Sfan00> Tone it done a little, please
2008-02-17 15:51 < White_Cat> its cool out here
2008-02-17 15:51 < White_Cat> infact too cool
2008-02-17 15:51 < Pilotguy> Especially considering your unusual persistance of summoning us
2008-02-17 15:51 < White_Cat> freaking snowing
2008-02-17 15:51 < Sfan00> Some of us here are somewhat sensitive
2008-02-17 15:52 * Lycurgus assures White_Cat that pussies can in fact fly.
2008-02-17 15:52 < Taza_insane> Lycurgus: Different definition of "safe" here.
2008-02-17 15:52 < Pilotguy> Sfan00- That's fine, I am too
2008-02-17 15:52 * White_Cat throws a snowball into Sfan00;s face
2008-02-17 15:52 < Taza_insane> Sfan00: Then GROW A THICKER SKIN ALREADY.
2008-02-17 15:52 < Pilotguy> Sfan00- However with the numbers we have and our setup
2008-02-17 15:52 < bumm13> please don't shout, thanks
2008-02-17 15:52 < Taza_insane> I'm tired of the PC crowd.
2008-02-17 15:52 * Sfan00 responds ny dropping a grit bin on White Cat
2008-02-17 15:52 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-17 15:52 < Monobi> Sfan00, what?
2008-02-17 15:52 * White_Cat dodges and uses blizard
2008-02-17 15:53 < Lycurgus> z
2008-02-17 15:53 < Pilotguy> Sfan00- However with the numbers we have here as well as the diversity it is difficult to meet everyone's needs
2008-02-17 15:53 < Sfan00> White_cat: Don't forget the +20 rool
2008-02-17 15:53 < Sfan00> *roll
2008-02-17 15:53 * White_Cat uses solar beam
2008-02-17 15:53 < Sfan00> ??
2008-02-17 15:53 * White_Cat takes in sunlight
2008-02-17 15:54 * Sfan00 ignores
2008-02-17 15:54 < White_Cat> aw
2008-02-17 15:54 < White_Cat> notenoughpokecruft
2008-02-17 15:54 < White_Cat> :(
2008-02-17 15:54 < White_Cat> it was more fun here a year ago
2008-02-17 15:54 < Pilotguy> Sfan00- Yes, I would also recommend utilization of that feature instead
2008-02-17 15:54 < Sfan00> Wikipedia doesn't have articles on Game cheats?
2008-02-17 15:54 < White_Cat> everyone was pokecrufty
2008-02-17 15:54 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-17 15:54 < Rinn> Everything was more fun a year ago.
2008-02-17 15:54 < Sfan00> Was it?
2008-02-17 15:54 < Pilotguy> Sfan00- That way you aren't bringing attention to anyone else nor causing a ruckus
2008-02-17 15:55 < Sfan00> I am finding Wikipedia id getting better all the time
2008-02-17 15:55 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-17 15:55 < Sfan00> And people are now backing my link removals
2008-02-17 15:55 < Pilotguy> Yes, talking about sex was quite pleasing wasn't it
2008-02-17 15:55 < Pilotguy> Don't you miss those days
2008-02-17 15:55 < Sfan00> Sex is private
2008-02-17 15:55 < White_Cat> Pilotguy yea
2008-02-17 15:55 < Lycurgus> wp is too big to be fun for long
2008-02-17 15:55 < White_Cat> the orgy if you will
2008-02-17 15:55 < White_Cat> Pilotguy do you remember the 'shave the wales' campaign?
2008-02-17 15:55 < Lycurgus> without proper supervision.
2008-02-17 15:56 < Pilotguy> sure do
2008-02-17 15:56 < Sfan00> Supervison on enwiki ?
2008-02-17 15:56 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-02-17 15:56 < White_Cat> Pilotguy you were shavist right?
2008-02-17 15:56 < Pilotguy> don't think I was
2008-02-17 15:56 < Pilotguy> Can't really remember
2008-02-17 15:56 < Lycurgus> an I don't mean by Typhoon or goon committee
2008-02-17 15:56 < White_Cat> aw
2008-02-17 15:57 < White_Cat> Pilotguy I would have expected you to support anything increasing aerodynamics of Jimbo
2008-02-17 15:57 < CharlotteWebb> from [[Wikileaks]]:
2008-02-17 15:57 < CharlotteWebb> The contact number on Wikileaks.org, has a D.C. area code and is a Verizon cell phone number registered in Adelphi, Maryland. Intellus.com, a Web tracking service, connected the number to a “Va Reston.”
2008-02-17 15:57 < Lycurgus> <- vishanivist, shavist at the same time.
2008-02-17 15:57 < Pilotguy> meh.
2008-02-17 15:57 < CharlotteWebb> that's "Reston, Virginia"
2008-02-17 15:57 < Sfan00> I thought WikiLeaks had got shut down?
2008-02-17 15:57 < CharlotteWebb> what idiot wrote this
2008-02-17 15:58 < Taza> Bah.
2008-02-17 16:03 < publunch> miaow
2008-02-17 16:03 < OverlordQ> O_o
2008-02-17 16:04 < Sfan00> Hi Publunch
2008-02-17 16:04 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-17 16:04 * publunch takes another quetiapine.
2008-02-17 16:04 * publunch feels jumpy.
2008-02-17 16:05 < publunch> Is there a #psychotherapy channel somewhere?
2008-02-17 16:06 < Sfan00> tyr ##headshrinkers ? ;)
2008-02-17 16:06 < CharlotteWebb> this embarrassing factoid has been there for over a year
2008-02-17 16:06 < publunch> Thanks.
2008-02-17 16:06 < CharlotteWebb> er almost
2008-02-17 16:06 < publunch> Nobody in ##headshrinkers.
2008-02-17 16:08 < bumm13> publunch: miaow!
2008-02-17 16:08 < publunch> hey bumm13
2008-02-17 16:08 < Xihix> Buffalosoldier92
2008-02-17 16:08 < Buffalosoldier92> Si?
2008-02-17 16:08 < bumm13> howdy
2008-02-17 16:08 < Buffalosoldier92> dang
2008-02-17 16:08 < Buffalosoldier92> brb
2008-02-17 16:08 < Xihix> I lost another lb and a half
2008-02-17 16:08 * bumm13 waves to muddypaws
2008-02-17 16:10 < Lycurgus> that's smaller than daily variation and error of a lot of scales
2008-02-17 16:10 < Buffalosoldier92> :O
2008-02-17 16:13 < gwern> bizarre. there is no [[please, won't someone think of the children?]]
2008-02-17 16:14 < Scott5114> gwern: I'm sure it's covered in the article on Reverend Lovejoy's wife.
2008-02-17 16:14 < JohnReaves> redirect it to [[Helen Lovejoy]]
2008-02-17 16:14 < JohnReaves> damn, too slow
2008-02-17 16:14 < kraupu> labas. vėsoka!
2008-02-17 16:14 < ST47> !admin unblock User:ImageBacklogBot
2008-02-17 16:15 * kibble ships ST47 off to #wikipedia-en-admins
2008-02-17 16:15 < gwern> oh. is that where it comes from?
2008-02-17 16:15 < JohnReaves> ST47:Bot is fixed I assume?
2008-02-17 16:15 < ST47> Don't bother.
2008-02-17 16:16 < GDonato> ST47: fixed or never broken?
2008-02-17 16:16 < ST47> Never broken
2008-02-17 16:16 < JohnReaves> So don't unblock...?
2008-02-17 16:16 < ST47> Fucking idiotic admins who think they know what they're doing