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2008-02-17 10:24 < Lycurgus> facticity for a fanfict thing seems to miss the point. Memory alpha could still be the cannonical trek ref.
2008-02-17 10:25 < Lycurgus> unless Paramount wanted to do something. Even then though.
2008-02-17 10:25 < Lycurgus> *canonical.
2008-02-17 10:25 < Golbez> Lycurgus- i think they are pretty good at that
2008-02-17 10:25 < Golbez> wow it is snowing buckets outside
2008-02-17 10:25 < CharlotteWebb> maybe if they included articles written in klingon
2008-02-17 10:25 < Golbez> lol
2008-02-17 10:26 < Golbez> yes! let's port tlh over to memory alpha! :P
2008-02-17 10:26 < Lycurgus> well the klingon wiki is here isn't it?
2008-02-17 10:26 < Golbez> oh wait
2008-02-17 10:26 < Golbez> it already has moved to wikia
2008-02-17 10:26 < Golbez> ... then why do we still have the tlh subdomain?
2008-02-17 10:27 < morwen> i was in the room when jimbo said "actually, let's not have a klingon wikipedia". and then tim starling i think immediately shut it down.
2008-02-17 10:27 < Golbez> lol
2008-02-17 10:27 < CharlotteWebb> maybe it has to be kept for GFDL purposes
2008-02-17 10:27 < Lycurgus> "let's not and say we did"?
2008-02-17 10:27 < Golbez> pff, just copy it over to wikia and shazam.
2008-02-17 10:27 < morwen> you can actually see me as an anon in [[Timeline of Star Trek]]
2008-02-17 10:27 < CharlotteWebb> like if an article was originally written in klingon then translated to english
2008-02-17 10:29 < Golbez> why couldn't he say something like, "actually, let's not have a Volapuk wikipedia" and tada? not that I dislike Volapuk but the pedia now has nearly 6000 articles for every speaker
2008-02-17 10:29 < morwen> i am making sarcastic comments about people who VERY FUCKING STUPIDLY change the Spaceflight chronology timeline as it didn't match the okuda one
2008-02-17 10:29 < morwen> of course it fucking doesn't, read the context, you shitheads#
2008-02-17 10:29 < Golbez> hah
2008-02-17 10:30 < Lycurgus> wait does this mean there's okudagram skins for wm someplace?
2008-02-17 10:31 < Golbez> wow, today's FA is kind of short
2008-02-17 10:31 < NotACow> moo
2008-02-17 10:31 < morwen> Golbez: klingon is possibly more stupid, as volapuk was at least at one point a genuine effort to create an international language
2008-02-17 10:31 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomboy needs a pic like yesterday
2008-02-17 10:32 < Golbez> morwen- and is now a genuine effort to create a robot-generated wikipedia. =p
2008-02-17 10:32 * morwen knew a native Esperanto speaker once
2008-02-17 10:32 < NotAPolecat> Esperanto/why don't you come to your senses
2008-02-17 10:32 < NotAPolecat> Oh, that was Desperado
2008-02-17 10:32 < Golbez> At least enwiki already had thousands of articles when they unleashed Rambot, and had the userbase to actually work with what Rambot gave us. There are not nearly enough people on the Volapuk pedia to ever refine the generated articles.
2008-02-17 10:33 < AppleBoy> what's rambot?
2008-02-17 10:33 < Golbez> Bot created by RamMan
2008-02-17 10:33 < Ceiling_Cat> AppleBoy - Rambot was a bot created by Ramman to create articles based on the 2000 US census data
2008-02-17 10:33 < geniice> Golbez maybe but there was no rambot for UK towns and they turned out okey without the boring demo0graphic stuff
2008-02-17 10:33 < Ceiling_Cat> it's why we have articles on all the incorproated places in the US
2008-02-17 10:33 < Golbez> Made articles based on census information for every city, town, hamlet, and census-designated place in the USA
2008-02-17 10:34 < Golbez> thus inflating wikipedia by around 20,000 articles
2008-02-17 10:34 < Lycurgus> bot page creation is blocked now isn't it?
2008-02-17 10:34 < Ceiling_Cat> it created roughly 30,000 articles, which is why if you look at a graph from 2003, our article count jumped from about 80,000 to 110,000 in a week
2008-02-17 10:34 < Golbez> geniice- right, but i'm saying, the volapuk pedia DID use a robot, and there's no way they could ever refine all those automatic pages.
2008-02-17 10:34 < Ceiling_Cat> Lycurgus - I do not believe it is
2008-02-17 10:34 < Lycurgus> Interesting.
2008-02-17 10:35 < Ceiling_Cat> Tim Vickers was talking on Wikipedia weekly about using a bot to create lots of bot generated articles on individual genes
2008-02-17 10:35 < geniice> Lycurgus no but trying to bot create pages will likely get you blocked
2008-02-17 10:35 < morwen> rambot at least was creating gramatiically correct english articles!
2008-02-17 10:35 < Golbez> Rambot was a good thing, I'd love for things like that from every country with the proper data. But enwiki had thousands of people to work on them - Volapuk has 300 or so.
2008-02-17 10:35 < geniice> there are not 300 Volapuk speakers
2008-02-17 10:35 < Golbez> exactly
2008-02-17 10:35 < Golbez> but there's ~300 accounts on the volapuk pedia
2008-02-17 10:36 < morwen> was the volabot creating articles actually in volapuk?
2008-02-17 10:36 < CharlotteWebb> if you do it slowly, and don't have "bot" in your name, nobody will catch on
2008-02-17 10:36 < Lycurgus> why would I (or anyone) do such a thing without going thru the normal bot clearance process.
2008-02-17 10:36 < CharlotteWebb> seriously
2008-02-17 10:36 < geniice> there are maybe 30 Volapuk speakers
2008-02-17 10:36 < Lycurgus> s/./?/
2008-02-17 10:36 < Golbez> I don't know
2008-02-17 10:36 < geniice> Golbez so ten times more accounts than speakers
2008-02-17 10:36 < Golbez> In fact
2008-02-17 10:36 < Golbez> When the robot went to work, there was apparently only one active human user.
2008-02-17 10:36 < morwen> at one point, i tried to create stubs about every english parish
2008-02-17 10:36 < Golbez> I'm annoyed they didn't kill it right then.
2008-02-17 10:36 < geniice> Lycurgus> psychopath/psychopath/psychopath
2008-02-17 10:37 < geniice> Golbez about right
2008-02-17 10:37 < geniice> but who would kill it? slight shortage of people with admin priveralges
2008-02-17 10:37 < geniice> morwen every hundread would be more reasonable
2008-02-17 10:37 < geniice> morwen took us long enough to get a stub about every english canal
2008-02-17 10:38 < Golbez> geniice- not to mention the fact that it's been voted on twice, and it survived twice
2008-02-17 10:38 < Golbez> we need someone jimboesque to just come in and drop the hammer, democracy be damned
2008-02-17 10:38 < geniice> Golbezn bah ignore it and it will go away
2008-02-17 10:38 < geniice> Golbez and of course there is another problemn with trying to get rid of bot transaltions
2008-02-17 10:38 < NotAPolecat> Delhi is in Haryana? That's utter Pradesh!
2008-02-17 10:38 < Golbez> at least it's been consciously omitted from the 'largest wikipedias' at the bottom of Main Page
2008-02-17 10:39 < Golbez> NotAPolecat- ... get out
2008-02-17 10:39 < NotAPolecat> Vat?
2008-02-17 10:39 < Golbez> that is one of the worst jokes i've ever heard
2008-02-17 10:39 < Golbez> and i loved it
2008-02-17 10:39 < NotAPolecat> heh
2008-02-17 10:39 < Lycurgus> especially since it's Uttar
2008-02-17 10:39 < geniice> Golbez I suspect this is bot translated http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%8B%B1%E5%9C%8B%E5%9C%B0%E5%BD%A2%E6%B8%AC%E9%87%8F%E5%B1%80
2008-02-17 10:40 < NotAPolecat> it's a territory of its own between Haryana and Uttar Pradesh
2008-02-17 10:40 < Tony_Sidaway> Would somebody like to look at this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_February_17#Template:Recap
2008-02-17 10:40 < NotAPolecat> (historically in Haryana, ya)
2008-02-17 10:40 < Tony_Sidaway> I'd like, if possible, to avoid this malignant template being adopted for wide use on deletion discussions.
2008-02-17 10:41 < Golbez> Tony
2008-02-17 10:41 < Golbez> is there an example where this has been used?
2008-02-17 10:41 < NotAPolecat> Nya, vote counting on Wikipedia
2008-02-17 10:41 < Golbez> wow
2008-02-17 10:41 < Golbez> nm, I see its example
2008-02-17 10:42 < morwen> Tony_Sidaway: Ah. Hello!
2008-02-17 10:42 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> hm
2008-02-17 10:42 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> my cigarettes say
2008-02-17 10:42 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> Las autoridades sanitarias advierten:
2008-02-17 10:42 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> "fumar puede matar"
2008-02-17 10:42 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> and I say
2008-02-17 10:42 < Mike_H> <Mike_H> "es la verdad?"
2008-02-17 10:43 < Golbez> si se puede
2008-02-17 10:43 < Mike_H> :o
2008-02-17 10:43 < NotAPolecat> A la muerte la muerte!
2008-02-17 10:43 * geniice wishes we had articles on every series of digital cameras
2008-02-17 10:43 < morwen> Tony_Sidaway: Just this afternoon I was looking at the article about [[Monstrous Regiment (novel)]], and i was surprised to see it didn't contain the spoiler. viz: that it turns out that the protagonist's entire squad are in fact women.
2008-02-17 10:43 < NotAPolecat> (as N-A-C would say)
2008-02-17 10:43 * NotAPolecat looks at the map to determine the hardness of his tap water, in turn to determine the required amount of detergent
2008-02-17 10:44 < Golbez> Mike_H i don't think i've asked, who do YOU support in the primaries
2008-02-17 10:44 < NotAPolecat> the answer is "wicked hahd"
2008-02-17 10:44 < Mike_H> Golbez: nobody anymore
2008-02-17 10:44 < Golbez> who did you
2008-02-17 10:44 < Mike_H> Rudy
2008-02-17 10:44 < CharlotteWebb> yeah i was going to ask the same thing about that template
2008-02-17 10:45 < Golbez> ah
2008-02-17 10:45 < geniice> morwen the officer is male
2008-02-17 10:45 * NotAPolecat supported Biden, then Edwards, now nobody in particular but notes that people really seem to like Obama's fuzziness
2008-02-17 10:45 < Golbez> i've done a complete about face and moved to supporting Obama (whilst supporting Paul)
2008-02-17 10:46 < Golbez> obama/paul would be unstoppable and would never happen
2008-02-17 10:46 < CharlotteWebb> uggh
2008-02-17 10:46 < geniice> Golbez it would be trivial to stop
2008-02-17 10:46 < WikiHelper> can you purge the main page cache?
2008-02-17 10:46 < geniice> Golbez mccain would jsut pay the sanity card
2008-02-17 10:46 < WikiHelper> the number of articles is 60 articles back
2008-02-17 10:47 < geniice> WikiHelper> ctrl-F5?
2008-02-17 10:47 < NotAPolecat> I tend to like McCain, he seems undogmatic
2008-02-17 10:48 < Tony_Sidaway> morwen: aargh, you spoiled it for me! :-D
2008-02-17 10:48 < geniice> NotAPolecat I would rather live in a world without a PTS person with their finger on the button
2008-02-17 10:48 < Tony_Sidaway> Golbez: Ru Paul is running for the Democratic nomination?
2008-02-17 10:48 < NotAPolecat> I don't think he'd use nuke
2008-02-17 10:48 < NotAPolecat> s
2008-02-17 10:48 < Golbez> Tony_Sidaway- No. :P
2008-02-17 10:48 < morwen> i hope he'd use nuke if he has any compositing needs
2008-02-17 10:49 < geniice> NotAPolecat "I don't think" isn't good enough
2008-02-17 10:49 < NotAPolecat> I'm not supporting him.
2008-02-17 10:49 < geniice> NotAPolecat
2008-02-17 10:49 < NotAPolecat> :-D
2008-02-17 10:50 < geniice> NotAPolecat and with maccain the VP is pic is rather significant
2008-02-17 10:50 < NotAPolecat> but compared to the current administration it would bloody well be heaven on earth.
2008-02-17 10:50 < NotAPolecat> heh
2008-02-17 10:50 < NotAPolecat> Ron Paul for veep? Lord protect us all.
2008-02-17 10:50 < NotAPolecat> We'd finally be back to the Republican Party of 1930.
2008-02-17 10:51 < NotAPolecat> (which still might not be quite as awful as that of 2000, but I dunno)
2008-02-17 10:51 < morwen> dear america, please to have bill clinton back. the world.
2008-02-17 10:52 < NotAPolecat> ain't that America, home of the free, with little pink houses for you and me
2008-02-17 10:52 < NotAPolecat> I always understood "almost free"
2008-02-17 10:52 < Golbez> So
2008-02-17 10:53 < Golbez> We don't allow usernames to equal famous people
2008-02-17 10:53 < Golbez> But what if I shared a name with a somewhat well known interweb writer?
2008-02-17 10:53 < NotAPolecat> Depends on how frequent the name is
2008-02-17 10:54 < CharlotteWebb> as long as you weren't named "josh hitler" you should be ok
2008-02-17 10:54 < Golbez> When i google it, 7 of the top 10 are for this guy
2008-02-17 10:54 * NotAPolecat remembers porn stars being sued for using the name of a mainstream actor
2008-02-17 10:54 < Golbez> including one calling him a "nutless boob"
2008-02-17 10:54 < CharlotteWebb> then it's not unique
2008-02-17 10:54 < geniice> maddox however would be less than ideal
2008-02-17 10:54 < NotAPolecat> I would say the more frequent a name is, the more acceptable a nickname would be
2008-02-17 10:55 < Golbez> NotAPolecat- I honestly don't understand how Cindy Crawford and Dru Berrymore can keep their names. :P
2008-02-17 10:55 < NotAPolecat> They're forced to use different names in Germany.
2008-02-17 10:56 < NotAPolecat> so "Mick Jones", while also a guitarist for the Clash, could hardly be considered unacceptable
2008-02-17 10:56 < CharlotteWebb> or robert smith of the cure
2008-02-17 10:57 < NotAPolecat> "right to name" is a constitutional right here, impostors are shot on sight.
2008-02-17 10:57 < morwen> it's funny how our pr0n star articles have similar problems as our wrestler articles
2008-02-17 10:57 < yao_ziyuan> what is the ground on which wikipedia claims baidu baike violates its rights?
2008-02-17 10:57 < Soxred93> Hey everyone
2008-02-17 10:58 < Soxred93> On Wikipedia languages other than English, do you need approval to run an interwiki bot?
2008-02-17 10:58 < NotAPolecat> those are worlds of comparable fakeness.
2008-02-17 10:58 < Golbez> Soxred93- you'd have to ask those languages
2008-02-17 10:58 < CharlotteWebb> i'm certain that other projects are less bureaucratic
2008-02-17 10:58 < Soxred93> That's why I asked here instead of #wikipedia-en
2008-02-17 10:58 < morwen> Soxred93: this is #wikipedia-en
2008-02-17 10:59 < NotAPolecat> Bureaucracy is replaced by authoritarianism in many places, yea.
2008-02-17 10:59 < Soxred93> No, this is #wikipedia
2008-02-17 10:59 < quanticle> morwen: Its not. This is #wikipedia
2008-02-17 10:59 * NotAPolecat does not think bureaucracy is a bad thing
2008-02-17 10:59 < Soxred93> I'm still in -en, and it's not there
2008-02-17 10:59 < morwen> for the autistic, i will rephrase that
2008-02-17 10:59 < morwen> "this function as if it were #wikipedia-en"
2008-02-17 10:59 < morwen> *functions
2008-02-17 10:59 < Golbez> right
2008-02-17 10:59 < NotAPolecat> heh, just more OT
2008-02-17 10:59 < Golbez> just because this is #wikipedia doesn't mean we know anything about wikipediae outside of en =p
2008-02-17 11:00 < quanticle> morwen: It doesn't even do that. #wikipedia is more tolerant of OT conversations than -en
2008-02-17 11:00 < NotAPolecat> Well, gotta do laundry.
2008-02-17 11:00 < Golbez> we don't maintain comprehensive knowledge here
2008-02-17 11:00 < NotAPolecat> Wikipediai!
2008-02-17 11:00 < morwen> quanticle: that's because the people in #wikipedia-en are crazy
2008-02-17 11:00 < Soxred93> I'm just wondering because people (like OsamaK) run interwiki bots on many languages, and I don't know how they get approval if they don't speak that language
2008-02-17 11:00 < morwen> quanticle: if all of us guys hung out there it would have the same culture
2008-02-17 11:00 < Mike_H> morwen: lulz.
2008-02-17 11:00 < morwen> as here
2008-02-17 11:00 < Golbez> Soxred93- some wikipedias have embassies
2008-02-17 11:01 < Golbez> or, you could ask OsamaK
2008-02-17 11:01 < NotAPolecat> OMG CELEBRITY COLLISION
2008-02-17 11:01 * quanticle wonders how wikipedia embassies work.
2008-02-17 11:01 < quanticle> Do I have to get a visa to edit .de?
2008-02-17 11:02 < quanticle> Or .es for that matter.
2008-02-17 11:02 < CharlotteWebb> well redsox, a lot of them operate on the assumption that if enwiki links to two articles on two other projects, those two articles should also link to each other
2008-02-17 11:02 < Golbez> Does anyone know if Kosovo has been recognized by anyone yet?
2008-02-17 11:02 < morwen> no, we are all in the schengen wiki zone
2008-02-17 11:02 < NotAPolecat> No, that's the Wikipedia consulate.
2008-02-17 11:02 < Golbez> lol morwen
2008-02-17 11:02 < NotAPolecat> Has Kosovo declared?
2008-02-17 11:02 < CharlotteWebb> which doesn't require fluency
2008-02-17 11:02 < NotAPolecat> Heh, they have
2008-02-17 11:03 < Golbez> NotAPolecat- Yes, this morning
2008-02-17 11:03 < NotAPolecat> and it has a current events tag finally
2008-02-17 11:03 < CharlotteWebb> maybe they can host wikimania 2009
2008-02-17 11:04 < NotAPolecat> Boo for the imminent countergenocide
2008-02-17 11:04 < NotAPolecat> ...-attempt
2008-02-17 11:04 < morwen> you know, there was one time a while ago when russia made a big deal out of supporting serbia in an international crisis
2008-02-17 11:04 < morwen> and it didn't turn out so well
2008-02-17 11:05 < CharlotteWebb> get some famous keynote speaker to lecture about the "right to fork"
2008-02-17 11:06 < quanticle> morwen: You mean that little incident involving Franz Ferdinand?
2008-02-17 11:06 < CharlotteWebb> War 1.0
2008-02-17 11:06 < NotAPolecat> Whats a shite Scottish band got to do with it?
2008-02-17 11:06 < quanticle> CharlotteWebb: No. World War 1 was more like War 3.0...
2008-02-17 11:06 < morwen> quanticle: apparently they got drunk at a gig in belgrade and shouted obscenities at the prime minister of bosnia
2008-02-17 11:07 < NotAPolecat> it takes quite a bit of alcohol to make a Russian politician drunk
2008-02-17 11:07 < morwen> i liked The Onion headline
2008-02-17 11:07 < NotAPolecat> I don't think it takes quite as much to make him shout obscenities.
2008-02-17 11:08 < morwen> "Franz Ferdinand Frontman Shot By Gavrilo Princip Bassist"
2008-02-17 11:08 < quanticle> NotAPolecat: Different Franz Ferdinand.
2008-02-17 11:08 < NotAPolecat> I know that.
2008-02-17 11:08 < quanticle> morwen: Heh.
2008-02-17 11:09 * quanticle should start a band called Gavrilo Princip
2008-02-17 11:09 < morwen> http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46458
2008-02-17 11:09 < NotAPolecat> Make it a death metal one.
2008-02-17 11:09 < quanticle> What genre does Franz Ferdinand play...
2008-02-17 11:10 < morwen> quanticle: indie rock, i suppose
2008-02-17 11:10 < Hello32020> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_Nations:_Thrones_and_Patriots someone wanna reevaluate I added a lot to this article
2008-02-17 11:10 < morwen> quite poppy
2008-02-17 11:10 < NotAPolecat> the shite, trendy jiggle genre.
2008-02-17 11:11 < Hello32020> O_o
2008-02-17 11:11 < NotAPolecat> I hate the riff rock revival they're a part of
2008-02-17 11:11 < NotAPolecat> even worse are the Killaz
2008-02-17 11:11 < Hello32020> :?
2008-02-17 11:12 < NotAPolecat> or however they're spelt
2008-02-17 11:12 < morwen> I think you mean "The Killers"
2008-02-17 11:12 < NotAPolecat> Yea.
2008-02-17 11:12 < NotAPolecat> Vegas band, short, annoying notes.
2008-02-17 11:12 < morwen> which is the normal english spelling of the word
2008-02-17 11:12 < CharlotteWebb> Hello32020, wikify dates as per MoS (heil MoS). otherwise looks fine.
2008-02-17 11:12 < morwen> damn trendy bands spelling things properly!
2008-02-17 11:13 < NotAPolecat> Repetitive, annoying music. >.<
2008-02-17 11:13 * NotAPolecat goes back to listening to Roy Orbison
2008-02-17 11:13 < NotAPolecat> :-P
2008-02-17 11:14 < morwen> well, if you like roy orbison, there's nothing really worse i can wish on you
2008-02-17 11:14 < morwen> so carry on!
2008-02-17 11:14 < CharlotteWebb> warren zevon perhaps :p
2008-02-17 11:14 < NotAPolecat> Paul Anka?
2008-02-17 11:14 < NotAPolecat> Or the guy who sang "Beauty School Dropout"
2008-02-17 11:15 < NotAPolecat> "wholesome alternatives" are bad by definition
2008-02-17 11:15 < NotAPolecat> like the Speedy Gonzales guy
2008-02-17 11:15 < NotAPolecat> or, God help us, Avril Lavigne
2008-02-17 11:16 < NotAPolecat> of whom I read in a local paper "now there's a punk singer you can send your kids to watch, but make sure they're older"
2008-02-17 11:17 < CharlotteWebb> her punk credentials are dubious
2008-02-17 11:17 < morwen> crikey, northern rock is actually being nationalised finally
2008-02-17 11:18 < CharlotteWebb> isn't she the one who said she'd never heard of david bowie
2008-02-17 11:18 < NotAPolecat> she was built as a wholesome pseudo-punk, as is the whole so called emo pop scene.
2008-02-17 11:18 < NotAPolecat> but as long as there is a market...
2008-02-17 11:19 < quanticle> NotAPolecat: I like that phrasing, "she was built..."
2008-02-17 11:19 < NotAPolecat> it's a corporate image.
2008-02-17 11:19 * NotAPolecat will have to load his mobile phone, brb
2008-02-17 11:20 < NotAPolecat> because, let's face it, many people don't want edges in their art.
2008-02-17 11:23 * bumm13 NP: Zombies - She's Not There (1965)
2008-02-17 11:23 < NotAPolecat> I LOVE Rod Argent.
2008-02-17 11:23 < bumm13> :)
2008-02-17 11:23 < NotAPolecat> bit of keyboarder courtesy.
2008-02-17 11:23 < bumm13> he was one of the great keybordists
2008-02-17 11:23 < NotAPolecat> :-D
2008-02-17 11:24 < bumm13> in a different vein of music, one should also appreciate the skills of Ray Manzarek
2008-02-17 11:25 * bumm13 hates colds >:(
2008-02-17 11:25 < NotAPolecat> there's a blistering solo in Time Of The Season
2008-02-17 11:25 < bumm13> indeed
2008-02-17 11:25 < NotAPolecat> it's nothing short of brilliant
2008-02-17 11:25 < bumm13> it's great
2008-02-17 11:25 < NotAPolecat> hah
2008-02-17 11:25 < NotAPolecat> yea, I also like Brian Auger.
2008-02-17 11:25 < CharlotteWebb> keyboardists? donald fagen for the win
2008-02-17 11:25 < NotAPolecat> Kate Pierson!
2008-02-17 11:26 < bumm13> Jon Lord of Deep Purple
2008-02-17 11:26 < NotAPolecat> heh yea
2008-02-17 11:26 < bumm13> that dude with The Cars was damn good, IMO
2008-02-17 11:27 < bumm13> (Greg Hawkes)
2008-02-17 11:28 < NotAPolecat> Ah, Rick Wakeman, the man that can play fourteen pianos at a time, but has nothing interesting to play on them.
2008-02-17 11:28 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-17 11:29 * NotAPolecat dislike prog
2008-02-17 11:29 < NotAPolecat> *s
2008-02-17 11:29 < Hello32020> [[Rise of Nations: Thrones and Patriots]] can someone review and see if it should be B-class (I have written so I don't want to)
2008-02-17 11:29 < bumm13> I suppose Christine McVie is fairly good
2008-02-17 11:30 < NotAPolecat> yea. I like FM as a blues band.
2008-02-17 11:31 < bumm13> naturally :)
2008-02-17 11:31 < bumm13> she was with Chicken Shack before she joined Fleetwood Mac in 1970
2008-02-17 11:31 < NotAPolecat> Brb.
2008-02-17 11:33 < zocky> what's with the people removing every link to a year or century?
2008-02-17 11:33 < zocky> timeframes aren't relevant to historical subjects, or something?
2008-02-17 11:34 < Leslie_S> lol...
2008-02-17 11:34 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-02-17 11:35 < Sfan00> I remvoe links as per a policy and then get accused of being unilateralist
2008-02-17 11:35 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-17 11:35 < Sfan00> And people wonder why i don't run for admin
2008-02-17 11:35 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-17 11:35 < CharlotteWebb> i doubt most of us could identify a "b-class" article, Hello32020
2008-02-17 11:35 < CharlotteWebb> which links, and why
2008-02-17 11:36 < NotAPolecat> Sfan00: You tend to be a bit single-minded sometimes, that might rub people the wrong way
2008-02-17 11:36 < NotAPolecat> 'cause it's a community effort
2008-02-17 11:37 < Sfan00> True
2008-02-17 11:37 < Sfan00> but Cleaning up a community needs strong minded people :)
2008-02-17 11:37 < Sfan00> To inspire others
2008-02-17 11:37 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-17 11:37 < Tony_Sidaway> Sfan00: the only possible response to any accusation of a "unilateral" edit is to state, correctly, that until we develop a multi-user interface, all edits are perforce unilateral.
2008-02-17 11:37 < Sfan00> Hi TOny
2008-02-17 11:38 < Tony_Sidaway> It's the most ridiculous charge to level at an editor on a wiki.
2008-02-17 11:38 * slashem NP Samantha Jade -- Ooh,Ooh,Ooh
2008-02-17 11:38 < NotAPolecat> Inspiration requires communication, I guess.
2008-02-17 11:38 < Sfan00> My removal of HOTU links (amongst others) seems to have cuased some annyoance at WikiProject Video Games
2008-02-17 11:38 < CharlotteWebb> what is that
2008-02-17 11:38 < Ceiling_Cat> omg, this is sad
2008-02-17 11:39 < Sfan00> HOTU=Home of the Underdogs
2008-02-17 11:39 < Sfan00> (And Abandonware site)
2008-02-17 11:39 < Ceiling_Cat> the 2000 republican convention had more black people on the stage than in the audience
2008-02-17 11:39 < Ceiling_Cat> that's a pretty sad statement
2008-02-17 11:39 < Sfan00> (Yeah
2008-02-17 11:39 < Sfan00> And aren't some democrats concernd that if Obama gets elected he's going to need 'ehanced protection'?
2008-02-17 11:39 < Sfan00> *enhanced
2008-02-17 11:40 < Tony_Sidaway> Protection from whom?
2008-02-17 11:40 < Ceiling_Cat> Sfan00 - I dunno, there are a *lot* of people who don't like George Bush
2008-02-17 11:40 < Arwen> enhanced protection? quick, get out the double-thick condoms
2008-02-17 11:40 < Ceiling_Cat> and nobody dislikes Obama except for the racists
2008-02-17 11:40 < Sfan00> Celing_cat: But Obama's African American
2008-02-17 11:40 < Sfan00> The Racists have stronger motives against Obama than against Bush
2008-02-17 11:41 < Buffalosoldier92> Hm...
2008-02-17 11:41 < Buffalosoldier92> The most death threats against any candidate have come from Texas
2008-02-17 11:41 < Buffalosoldier92> with 65%
2008-02-17 11:41 < Tony_Sidaway> Would Obama be more divisive than, say, Reagan or Kennedy?
2008-02-17 11:41 < Mike_H> you're too
2008-02-17 11:41 < Mike_H> shy shy
2008-02-17 11:41 < Mike_H> hush hush
2008-02-17 11:41 < Mike_H> eye to eye.
2008-02-17 11:41 < NotAPolecat> Rabid Paul supporters?
2008-02-17 11:41 < Ceiling_Cat> Whatever the potency of his political skills and message, Mr. Obama is also riding a demographic wave. The authors of the new book “Millennial Makeover,” Morley Winograd and Michael D. Hais, point out that the so-called millennial generation (dating from 1982) is the largest in American history, boomers included, and that roughly 40 percent of it is African-American, Latino, Asian or racially mixed.
2008-02-17 11:41 < Sfan00> Tony_Sidaway: Only in some areas...
2008-02-17 11:42 < Tony_Sidaway> Not to mention, LBJ
2008-02-17 11:42 < NotAPolecat> Obama is too undivisive.
2008-02-17 11:42 < Ceiling_Cat> One in five millennials has an immigrant parent. It’s this generation that is fueling the excitement and some of the record turnout of the Democratic primary campaign, and not just for Mr. Obama.
2008-02-17 11:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Even by the low standards of his party, Mr. McCain has underperformed at reaching millennials in the thriving culture where they live. His campaign’s effort to create a MySpace-like Web site flopped. His most-viewed appearances on YouTube are not viral videos extolling him or replaying his best speeches but are instead sendups of his most reckless foreign-policy improvisations — his threat to stay in Iraq for 100 years and his jokey warning (sun
2008-02-17 11:42 < Mike_H> What's a millenial?
2008-02-17 11:42 < Ceiling_Cat> NEAT :)
2008-02-17 11:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Mike_H - somebody born in 1982 - the mid 90s
2008-02-17 11:42 < Ceiling_Cat> aka, you and me
2008-02-17 11:42 < Mike_H> Oh, is that the term for it
2008-02-17 11:42 < NotAPolecat> Obama is not divisive enough.
2008-02-17 11:42 < Ceiling_Cat> well, there are a few terms for it
2008-02-17 11:42 < Sfan00> Which Candiated did the Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb I-ran quote?
2008-02-17 11:42 < Ceiling_Cat> millenial, generation y, the internet generation
2008-02-17 11:42 < Ceiling_Cat> Sfan00 - McCain
2008-02-17 11:43 < Tony_Sidaway> "Hey, hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today?" and at the same time the racists were all against him over civil rights.
2008-02-17 11:43 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: I thought you were like third generation.
2008-02-17 11:43 < NotAPolecat> Tony_Sidaway: And still he aced the 1964 election.
2008-02-17 11:43 < Ceiling_Cat> My father emmigrated from Italy (so I'm second on that side)
2008-02-17 11:43 < Mike_H> Oh, okay
2008-02-17 11:43 < Sfan00> The point with previous preisdents is that they haven't been ethnic
2008-02-17 11:43 < NotAPolecat> Barry Goldwater was on the left of his party when he left office.
2008-02-17 11:43 < Ceiling_Cat> On my mother's side, I can trace my roots in this country back to before the revolution
2008-02-17 11:43 < Tony_Sidaway> NotAPolecat: well that was before the kerfuffle started.
2008-02-17 11:43 < Mike_H> most Italians down here are third generation.
2008-02-17 11:43 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: oh, your mother isn't Italian?
2008-02-17 11:43 < Hello32020> ^^ McCain ftw :D
2008-02-17 11:43 < NotAPolecat> and he was considered a fringe lunatic in 1964
2008-02-17 11:43 < NotAPolecat> That's how far the American center has shifted rightward.
2008-02-17 11:44 < Sfan00> Obama is African American and liable to actually try and challange some areas on genuin civil rights for African Americans
2008-02-17 11:44 < Ceiling_Cat> she's half-italian, and the other half is italian/german/dutch
2008-02-17 11:44 < Hello32020> eh
2008-02-17 11:44 < Sfan00> (like the fiddles on voting some states have been trying to pull)
2008-02-17 11:44 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: actually, down here it's more common to have the mix
2008-02-17 11:44 < Mike_H> where one of the parents is an immigrant and the other is second-generation from Italy
2008-02-17 11:44 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't think civil rights is likely to be on Obama's map. He will have lots of other stuff to do and civil rights per se is a non-issue in America now.
2008-02-17 11:44 < Sfan00> That said there would probaly be a real fuss if there was a Hispanic candidate
2008-02-17 11:44 < NotAPolecat> it's extraordinary, I think I read somewhere that Goldwater was considered too liberal by many in his later years
2008-02-17 11:45 < NotAPolecat> Sfan00: Bill Richardson?
2008-02-17 11:45 < Sfan00> Tony-Sidaway: Not in some states
2008-02-17 11:45 < Ceiling_Cat> NotAPolecat - a lot of conservatives see the light in their last years. Just look at Lee Atwater (may he rot in hell)
2008-02-17 11:45 < morwen> I find it curious that 2 of the 3 prominent black american politicians at the moment, 2 of them are from families who were relatively recent immigrants from elsewhere
2008-02-17 11:45 < Mike_H> My friend Domenico, his father is second generation but his mother is from Italy and she no speaka Inglese that well.
2008-02-17 11:45 < Tony_Sidaway> Sfan00: well with those states, the color of his skin will be a factor.
2008-02-17 11:45 < Mike_H> which in reality means she speaks it okay, just with a big accent, and she looks like Sophia Loren in her sex-kitten days
2008-02-17 11:45 < NotAPolecat> Barry Goldwater hadn't changed, but the American "centrism" had shifted ridiculously far right.
2008-02-17 11:46 < Sfan00> And there are issues concerning the disporptions of blacks in say the criminal justice system
2008-02-17 11:46 < NotAPolecat> Brb.
2008-02-17 11:46 < Sfan00> (which to be fair is to do with economic ability as much as racial discrimination)
2008-02-17 11:46 < NotAPolecat> As I said, Obama is rather too feel-good than too controversial
2008-02-17 11:47 < Ceiling_Cat> NotAPolecat - the problem is the mass-exodus of any intellectual umphf from the conservative movement
2008-02-17 11:47 < Tony_Sidaway> Sfan00: yes, though it has to be said it's primarily poor uneducated males, including a large proportion of those arrested for drug crimes.
2008-02-17 11:47 < Leslie_S> nice. apparently its just so important that i have javascript enabled to view my bank accounts that i cant be allowed to log in without it.
2008-02-17 11:47 < Ceiling_Cat> what's left now is intellectually indefensible, morally bankrupt
2008-02-17 11:47 < Leslie_S> seriously, WTF? i want to look at a bunch of numbers in a table!
2008-02-17 11:47 < Ceiling_Cat> I cite John Yoo as the best example of this
2008-02-17 11:47 < Tony_Sidaway> And black males form a large proportion of those.
2008-02-17 11:47 < morwen> Obama's father was from Kenya. Powell's parents were from Jamaica.
2008-02-17 11:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Yoo is a nutcase in the broadest sense, and probably a war criminal
2008-02-17 11:48 < Leslie_S> Ceiling_Cat i thought the conservatives were *not* intellectual....ever?
2008-02-17 11:48 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L577cWLDH5c
2008-02-17 11:48 < Tony_Sidaway> The prison population of the US (as of the UK, too) is quite insanely high. This is a very difficult problem to deal with.
2008-02-17 11:48 < Ceiling_Cat> Leslie_S - not anymore. Back in the 60s, before they became rapidly anti-intellectual, they did have a few
2008-02-17 11:48 < Mike_H> I'm seriously embarrassed for Tyra.
2008-02-17 11:48 < NotAPolecat> Tony_Sidaway: In the US at least, you go to prison over a dropped hat.
2008-02-17 11:49 < Tony_Sidaway> Ceiling_Cat: you mean rapidly, or rabidly? :)
2008-02-17 11:49 < Ceiling_Cat> the latter ;)
2008-02-17 11:49 < NotAPolecat> criminal law encroaches in the oddest of places.
2008-02-17 11:49 < Ceiling_Cat> rabidly*
2008-02-17 11:50 < NotAPolecat> another sign of a political center that's tilted rightward.
2008-02-17 11:50 < AppleBoy> http://youtube.com/watch?v=rp__vGs3fa8
2008-02-17 11:50 < Tony_Sidaway> Yes, my girlfriend told me her ex, in Florida, started his own business because he knew he wouldn't pass a drug test that was apparently mandatory in many companies in his industry.
2008-02-17 11:50 < AppleBoy> coolest slam dunk right there
2008-02-17 11:50 < NotAPolecat> and of course a dysfunctional, populist legislature.
2008-02-17 11:50 < Tony_Sidaway> If he was head of his own business he wasn't liable to be tested.
2008-02-17 11:51 < NotAPolecat> (because it looks good for people to outlaw things tied to current event scandals with gigantically out-of-bounds penalties
2008-02-17 11:51 < Tony_Sidaway> He smoke marijuana.
2008-02-17 11:51 < zocky> EU administration also has drug tests for their employees
2008-02-17 11:51 < zocky> they announce them a month before :)
2008-02-17 11:51 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: yes, possibly. Not many private companies, though.
2008-02-17 11:51 < NotAPolecat> heh, there are stories cropping up from time to time about white powder in Bundestag bathrooms.
2008-02-17 11:52 < Tony_Sidaway> I don't do drugs but unless there were safety issues I would refuse a workplace drug test.
2008-02-17 11:52 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, if you get caught on a drug test that you knew about a month in advance, you deserve to lose your job
2008-02-17 11:52 < CharlotteWebb> anything other than a mom and pop shop is going to require a drug test
2008-02-17 11:52 < CharlotteWebb> here in teh u.s.
2008-02-17 11:52 < Tony_Sidaway> zocky: they can spot long term drug uses, so a month's warning is no use.
2008-02-17 11:53 < zocky> Tony_Sidaway, anyway, of the people I know that work for EU bureaucracy, nobody ever got caught
2008-02-17 11:53 < NotAPolecat> some things are flushed out fast.
2008-02-17 11:53 < NotAPolecat> others not
2008-02-17 11:54 < Sfan00> TonY_Sidaway: What do you have to hide ? Drug testing in some areas is designed to protect people
2008-02-17 11:54 < CharlotteWebb> yes the harder drugs tend to have a shorter half life
2008-02-17 11:54 < zocky> to get caught after a month, you'd probably need to be a constant heavy user of marijuana
2008-02-17 11:54 < zocky> that can be detected for months
2008-02-17 11:54 < NotAPolecat> "what do you have to hide" is the most evil question ever.
2008-02-17 11:54 < geniice> the term huh comes to mind
2008-02-17 11:54 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Genisock2&diff=192078645&oldid=192074105
2008-02-17 11:54 < zocky> otherwise, few things can be found after a month
2008-02-17 11:54 < Tony_Sidaway> I wonder if the trend towards prescription drug use (that fat loudmouthed radio bloke, etc) in the US is related to workplace drug testing.
2008-02-17 11:55 < Tony_Sidaway> If it's prescribed then you're unlikely to be fired over it (unless you fly and airplane or drive a bus)
2008-02-17 11:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Rush Limbaugh?
2008-02-17 11:55 < Sfan00> Drug testing ought to mandatory (and probably is) for saftey critical work, or those that work with unerable groups
2008-02-17 11:55 < Sfan00> *vunerable groups
2008-02-17 11:55 < Tony_Sidaway> Whatever happened to him? He was all over the place at one time.
2008-02-17 11:55 < Sfan00> Also they should really drink test cops
2008-02-17 11:55 < geniice> I work in a lab frankly I would rather not know what is in my blood stream
2008-02-17 11:56 < Sfan00> as well as other employees
2008-02-17 11:56 < CharlotteWebb> actually i read about rush just days ago
2008-02-17 11:56 < CharlotteWebb> he claims that bobby jindal might be mccain's running mate
2008-02-17 11:56 < NotAPolecat> hehe "Ssssir, cc-could you pleaaase sh-show me your d-d-d your drivers licen?"
2008-02-17 11:56 < Sfan00> BTW I've heard rumours you might soon need a Govt Permit for Tabacoo in the UK?
2008-02-17 11:57 < Sfan00> NotApoleCat: ROFL But yeah
2008-02-17 11:57 < Hello32020> do you guys think its bad to change the class from start > B of an article you have written mostly?
2008-02-17 11:57 < NotAPolecat> Thats what's wrong with Blairism.
2008-02-17 11:57 < NotAPolecat> it's a Mommy Knows Best state.
2008-02-17 11:57 < NotAPolecat> which is only slightly better than Daddy Knows Best
2008-02-17 11:58 < CharlotteWebb> either scenario eventually becomes "big brother knows best"
2008-02-17 11:58 < Sfan00> Treating Smoking as an addiction is a start to tackling the issues related to it , but de-facto officalising ownership is one step away from making it 'controlled'
2008-02-17 11:58 < Tony_Sidaway> Hello32020: always better to get somebody else to review it, in case of queries.
2008-02-17 11:58 < Sfan00> CharlotteWebb: Well the UK has Big Brother and Little Sister (who will tell tales)
2008-02-17 11:58 < NotAPolecat> Treating smoking as a disease, as countries currently do, is tyrannical.
2008-02-17 11:59 < Tony_Sidaway> Well I don't miss the smoky pubs of England.
2008-02-17 11:59 < Sfan00> Smoking is not a disease in itself, it is however an addiction
2008-02-17 11:59 < Tony_Sidaway> That was a long overdue bit of legislation
2008-02-17 11:59 < NotAPolecat> I don't miss em but I didn't mind em either.
2008-02-17 11:59 < NotAPolecat> You can be addicted to many things that will never be illegal.
2008-02-17 11:59 < Sfan00> Did the ban allow for smoking rooms?
2008-02-17 11:59 < NotAPolecat> over here, no
2008-02-17 12:00 < Sfan00> I.E Dedicated smoking rooms...
2008-02-17 12:00 < NotAPolecat> but it'll probably be unconstitutional
2008-02-17 12:00 < NotAPolecat> we'll see
2008-02-17 12:00 < Tony_Sidaway> No smoking allowed at all.
2008-02-17 12:00 < Sfan00> :(
2008-02-17 12:00 < NotAPolecat> there's a suit pending before the Constitutional Court here right now
2008-02-17 12:00 < Sfan00> Including coincidentally a ban on the entire rail network
2008-02-17 12:01 < Sfan00> Which from a sfatey aspect is a good move
2008-02-17 12:01 < NotAPolecat> People who smoke on trains need to be tarred and feathered
2008-02-17 12:01 < Hello32020> whats that place on wikipedia where there is an article drive or something (can one of you link I've forgotten it)
2008-02-17 12:01 < NotAPolecat> but pubs are different.
2008-02-17 12:01 < Tony_Sidaway> There was a flurry of renovations in pub gardens in mid summer, and in autumn there were lots of people huddled around paraffin heaters gasping over cigarettes.
2008-02-17 12:01 < NotAPolecat> and the whole control over sale is going a bit far I guess.
2008-02-17 12:01 < Sfan00> I did not understand why they couldn't have dedicated smoking rooms in pubs though
2008-02-17 12:02 < Tony_Sidaway> Sfan00: they looked into various possibilities, including making a ban only in pubs serving food.
2008-02-17 12:02 < NotAPolecat> I remember a pub somewhere in western London which had installed a self-assembled plastic tube which provided ventilation
2008-02-17 12:02 < shimgray> It's a workplace, is the reason. Otherwise you get into the interestingly complex issue of "some workplaces can be smoking-permitted", and they decided it's too much hassle.
2008-02-17 12:02 < Tony_Sidaway> In the end they decided going the whole hog was fairest and easiest to enforce.
2008-02-17 12:03 < NotAPolecat> heh, yay for parliamentary supremacy.
2008-02-17 12:03 < Sfan00> Of course they can still smoke outside
2008-02-17 12:03 < Hello32020> found it nvm
2008-02-17 12:03 < Sfan00> which will be the next thing they try to ban
2008-02-17 12:03 < NotAPolecat> I'm more worried about the symbolism.
2008-02-17 12:03 < NotAPolecat> Precisely.
2008-02-17 12:03 < CharlotteWebb> eventually you will only be able to smoke in your car
2008-02-17 12:04 < CharlotteWebb> and then only if you pull over someplace out of town
2008-02-17 12:04 < Tony_Sidaway> In England, standing outside a pub is going to freeze your knackers off for eight months of the year.
2008-02-17 12:04 < NotAPolecat> and only if you don't have children.
2008-02-17 12:04 < shimgray> Tony_Sidaway: on the plus side, the hacking cough will conceal the pneumonia!
2008-02-17 12:04 * Mike_H hits the high notes in Alicia Keys' "Fallin'"
2008-02-17 12:04 < Mike_H> OH
2008-02-17 12:04 < Mike_H> OH
2008-02-17 12:04 < Mike_H> OHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAHHH
2008-02-17 12:04 < CharlotteWebb> of course around here if you see people smoking in parked cars pulled over out of town, you know it's crack
2008-02-17 12:05 < Hello32020> ohhh Kosovo declared independence
2008-02-17 12:05 < Sfan00> Crack IS nasty stuff
2008-02-17 12:05 < Sfan00> :(
2008-02-17 12:05 < Hello32020> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7249034.stm
2008-02-17 12:05 < Tony_Sidaway> There is already research indicating that smoking in doorways of pubs pollutes the indoor environment (and I've experienced this myself) so I expect smoking in proxomity to a pub, restaurant, etc to be banned some time over the next decade.
2008-02-17 12:05 < geniice> Hello32020 da we know bad news
2008-02-17 12:05 < Tony_Sidaway> Maybe within ten metres or so.
2008-02-17 12:05 * Mike_H NP: Alannah Myles - Black Velvet (1989)
2008-02-17 12:06 < NotAPolecat> thats one of the operatic songs I can listen to
2008-02-17 12:06 < NotAPolecat> :-)
2008-02-17 12:06 < Ningyou-> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Kosovo.svg
2008-02-17 12:06 < Sfan00> TOny_Sidaway: However, it's a shame that the Smoking ban did not accompany an attitude shift
2008-02-17 12:06 < Ningyou-> I uploaded new, correct version of the flag
2008-02-17 12:06 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: Mississippi
2008-02-17 12:06 < Ningyou-> how come it doesn't work?
2008-02-17 12:06 < Mike_H> in the middle
2008-02-17 12:06 < Mike_H> of a dry spell
2008-02-17 12:06 < CharlotteWebb> they will legislate a distance from the door, but ignore that one might be smoking right next to the air conditioning intake
2008-02-17 12:06 < Ningyou-> even though it works in history?
2008-02-17 12:07 < Sfan00> Smoking IS an addiction and needs to be treated in that manner , not as a yet another health issue
2008-02-17 12:07 < wyksztalcioch> !seen bawolff
2008-02-17 12:07 * NotAPolecat makes vigorous guitar strumming movements
2008-02-17 12:07 < Mike_H> Oh, why are we on the smoking issue today?
2008-02-17 12:07 < CharlotteWebb> which sucks in a lot more air than the door
2008-02-17 12:07 * Mike_H puffs
2008-02-17 12:07 < wyksztalcioch> !seen bawolff
2008-02-17 12:07 < CharlotteWebb> beowulf?
2008-02-17 12:07 < Sfan00> The UK Government also needs to take on the pushers of Tabacoo as hard as it takes on the pishers of controlled subsatnaces
2008-02-17 12:07 < Ningyou-> err
2008-02-17 12:07 < Ningyou-> well, thanks for help
2008-02-17 12:07 < Sfan00> *pushers
2008-02-17 12:08 < Mike_H> What would be "a pusher of tobacco"?
2008-02-17 12:08 < Hello32020> if we banned tobbaco the people who are really addicted and who are really harmed a lot would get it anyway
2008-02-17 12:08 < Mike_H> The Tesco?
2008-02-17 12:08 < Mike_H> the pub?
2008-02-17 12:08 < CharlotteWebb> 7-11
2008-02-17 12:08 < Hello32020> like alcohol
2008-02-17 12:08 < wyksztalcioch> CharlotteWebb: no...Bawolff
2008-02-17 12:08 < Sfan00> Mike-H: British American Tabacoo, Benson and hedges etc etc.
2008-02-17 12:08 < NotAPolecat> Tobacco cannot be banned.
2008-02-17 12:08 < NotAPolecat> it's a cultural item.
2008-02-17 12:08 < Mike_H> Oh, we have Benson and Hedges here
2008-02-17 12:08 < Sfan00> True but there was a plant to make it need a permit
2008-02-17 12:08 < Mercerism> is unforseen a legitimate spelling of unforeseen if it has over 1 mil google hits?
2008-02-17 12:08 < NotAPolecat> and been so for the last 400 years
2008-02-17 12:08 < Mike_H> I like Newport, though
2008-02-17 12:09 < Mike_H> that's owned by Lorillard, the oldest tobacco company in the US
2008-02-17 12:09 < NotAPolecat> Mercerism: No it isn't
2008-02-17 12:09 < NotAPolecat> "fore" = to the front
2008-02-17 12:09 < Mercerism> but it has over a mil hits on google
2008-02-17 12:09 < Mercerism> oh
2008-02-17 12:09 < NotAPolecat> so does "definately"
2008-02-17 12:09 < CharlotteWebb> good enough for a redirect, on wiktionary
2008-02-17 12:09 < NotAPolecat> Yep
2008-02-17 12:09 < Mike_H> Lorillard Tobacco Company is the 18th oldest company in the United States. They are the third largest American tobacco company and market cigarettes under the brand names Newport (the number one selling menthol cigarette in the U.S.), Maverick, Old Gold, Kent, True, Satin, and Max.
2008-02-17 12:09 < Mercerism> 44 mil hits
2008-02-17 12:09 < CharlotteWebb> not for general use
2008-02-17 12:09 < Sfan00> The size of the Tabacoo lobby in the US is why the US can't tackle Tabacoo that well
2008-02-17 12:10 < NotAPolecat> no
2008-02-17 12:10 < Hello32020> how much more divided can the balkan penisula get...north kosovo-south kosovo? O_O
2008-02-17 12:10 < Mike_H> That and 60 million Americans smoke.
2008-02-17 12:10 < Sfan00> Maybe once Anon has dealt with it's current camapaigning it should take on Big Tabacoo?
2008-02-17 12:10 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-17 12:10 < NotAPolecat> the absence of universal healthcare is why America can't tackle smoking
2008-02-17 12:10 < OverlordQ> lol
2008-02-17 12:10 < CharlotteWebb> "tabacoo" is probably not plausible enough for a redirect
2008-02-17 12:10 < NotAPolecat> that and the far-reaching freedom.
2008-02-17 12:10 < Mercerism> the best way to ban tobacco is to make it so toxic that no one would want to smoke it
2008-02-17 12:10 < Hello32020> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo eh semi-protect wasn't good enough?
2008-02-17 12:10 < Mercerism> or maybe if they smoked it they would die
2008-02-17 12:11 < Sfan00> Well supposedly Nicotene is pretty toxic already
2008-02-17 12:11 < Sfan00> As are the components od the smoke
2008-02-17 12:11 < Sfan00> *of
2008-02-17 12:11 < Mercerism> its not good enough if there's 60 million smokers in america still alive
2008-02-17 12:11 < NotAPolecat> not sure what nicotine itself does
2008-02-17 12:11 < Mercerism> we need DU in newports
2008-02-17 12:11 < NotAPolecat> the carcinogenes are elsewhere
2008-02-17 12:11 < Mike_H> I don't know, I find it humorous when people lecture others about how smoking is bad when they've never touched the stuff.
2008-02-17 12:11 < Mercerism> green coloured boxes is for irradiation
2008-02-17 12:11 < Mercerism> i touched tobacco
2008-02-17 12:11 < Hello32020> You think we could see another war in kosovo/serbia region?
2008-02-17 12:11 < Mercerism> it robbed me of my will to live
2008-02-17 12:11 < Sfan00> Not a full blown war
2008-02-17 12:12 < Mercerism> and i stared out from an empty shell
2008-02-17 12:12 < NotAPolecat> Tobacco is kind of a Dementor?
2008-02-17 12:12 < Mike_H> Mercerism: thank you, drama!
2008-02-17 12:12 < Sfan00> NotApolecat: Hmmm
2008-02-17 12:12 < CharlotteWebb> more like the absence of health care that's worth paying for
2008-02-17 12:12 < Hello32020> im gonna email fox news my dream republican ticket lol
2008-02-17 12:12 < NotAPolecat> Serbia will do a lot of grandstanding and then shrug.
2008-02-17 12:12 < Mike_H> How many of you smoke?
2008-02-17 12:12 < quanticle> Hello32020: No. I don't think so.
2008-02-17 12:12 < Mike_H> Say yes if you do.
2008-02-17 12:12 < CharlotteWebb> whether it's for you or a fellow taxpayer
2008-02-17 12:12 < Mercerism> yesterday i had a dream where i had a big penis
2008-02-17 12:12 < Mercerism> that was sweet
2008-02-17 12:12 < Sfan00> CharlotteWebb: What makes you think Universal Healthcare would work in the US?
2008-02-17 12:12 * NotAPolecat used to smoke when he needed to look cool but never did habitually
2008-02-17 12:13 < Sfan00> Different regions have different health priorities
2008-02-17 12:13 < NotAPolecat> and I don't smoke at all for the last five years
2008-02-17 12:13 < CharlotteWebb> frankly i don't