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2008-02-16 16:50 < Peaker> Taza, I agree that the mouse sucks
2008-02-16 16:50 < Taza> mavhc: Now you're just trolling.
2008-02-16 16:50 < mavhc> DannyLilithborne: Or just ctrl-s
2008-02-16 16:50 < Taza> mavhc: Also, you're an idiot AND a troll.
2008-02-16 16:50 < mavhc> taza: and you aren't?
2008-02-16 16:50 < Peaker> Taza, learning "non standard" keyboard shortcuts is much easier than learning a markup language, and makes for much less effort when editing later
2008-02-16 16:50 < Taza> Peaker: You seem to have no malicious intent, even if you're a bit naive.
2008-02-16 16:50 < kyorosuke> hey
2008-02-16 16:50 < Taza> s/bit/lot/
2008-02-16 16:51 < Taza> mavhc: I genuinely enjoy using a command line
2008-02-16 16:51 < DannyLilithborne> mavhc: that too, of course... it's just the first one i came up with off the top of my head
2008-02-16 16:51 < Peaker> Taza, I think you're a little condescending to be telling everyone what they are
2008-02-16 16:51 < mavhc> "wysiwgy editors suck, because my computer is slow and I can't use a mouse"
2008-02-16 16:51 < Taza> I can use a mouse fine.
2008-02-16 16:51 < DannyLilithborne> "notepad sucks because it has no features"
2008-02-16 16:51 < Peaker> mavhc, Using a mouse is indeed very inefficient
2008-02-16 16:51 < Taza> I just don't want to.
2008-02-16 16:51 < mavhc> "and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot"
2008-02-16 16:51 < mavhc> Peaker: depends what you're doing
2008-02-16 16:51 < DannyLilithborne> "and if you use notepad you're stupid"
2008-02-16 16:51 < anon32> DannyLilithborne, that's not true. It's overbloated with "features" in fact.
2008-02-16 16:51 < anon32> What's this deal about "find/replace"
2008-02-16 16:51 < anon32> and "save as"?
2008-02-16 16:51 < Taza> I normally use "nano"
2008-02-16 16:51 < Peaker> mavhc, Yes, for very few tasks (specifically, choosing geographic positions) a mouse is good. But that is a very rare action, and even then its not always the best option
2008-02-16 16:51 < kyorosuke> kill me now
2008-02-16 16:51 < DannyLilithborne> word wrap, zomg, bloat
2008-02-16 16:51 < anon32> who would ever need something like that
2008-02-16 16:52 < quanticle> The issue with WSIWYG HTML editors is that they use crappy table and div hacks to make content fit the way you want it to.
2008-02-16 16:52 < DannyLilithborne> they also insert lots of tags
2008-02-16 16:52 < mavhc> Peaker: such as selecting any random section of text?
2008-02-16 16:52 < Peaker> mavhc, No, selecting text is more efficient with the keyboard, most of the time
2008-02-16 16:52 < DannyLilithborne> like <!-- THIS WAS MADE IN MICROSOFT WORD VERSION 5.1.5.236.6363 WITH HTML ACCESS BY DLLOICWTF -->
2008-02-16 16:52 < Taza> Peaker: Okay, fine, I'll give you that argument. WYSIWYG editors can be as good as other editors, WHEN DONE PROPERLY.
2008-02-16 16:52 < quanticle> Yeah, the fact that they take twice as many tags to accomplish the same thing is also annoying.
2008-02-16 16:52 < Peaker> mavhc, Because you want to select a number of lines or words, which takes as many key presses as the number of words or lines, plus 1 or 2
2008-02-16 16:53 < quanticle> Peaker: Are we having an emacs vs vim argument?
2008-02-16 16:53 < mavhc> ok, select words 8-10 of the top line of your irc window
2008-02-16 16:53 < Taza> Now find us a properly made WYSIWYG editor.
2008-02-16 16:53 < mavhc> 3 seconds with a touchpad
2008-02-16 16:53 < Peaker> Taza, then we agree, and I can even agree most existing wysiwyg software is utter crap, and indeed encourages use of the mouse
2008-02-16 16:53 < DannyLilithborne> Peaker: i admit to having lousy aim with my mouse
2008-02-16 16:53 < mavhc> mouse accelleration causes that
2008-02-16 16:53 < Taza> I don't have a lousy aim with my mouse, I just tend to keep my fingers to the keyboard.
2008-02-16 16:53 < Peaker> mavhc, indeed with xchat a mouse is more efficient for that - but that's just another example of crap keyboard support in existing GUIs
2008-02-16 16:53 < quanticle> Taza: Well, I'd argue that you can't have WSIWYG for HTML because HTML isn't meant to define a perfect visual layout. If you want that, put up a PDF.
2008-02-16 16:54 < Peaker> mavhc, With emacs's builtin IRC client, I can do that much faster with the keyboard
2008-02-16 16:54 < Taza> quanticle: You're right there as well.
2008-02-16 16:54 < Peaker> mavhc, I simply C-r (reverse search) type a few letters of the word I want to select (typically 2 chars would be enough)
2008-02-16 16:54 < mavhc> Peaker: but taza wanted something that loaded quickly
2008-02-16 16:54 < DannyLilithborne> yeah, HTML is not meant to render the same on every computer
2008-02-16 16:54 < Peaker> mavhc, And then Ctrl+Shift+Right twice. That's about 5 key presses, much faster than going for the mouse and back
2008-02-16 16:54 < kenlyric> well, aren't you special?
2008-02-16 16:54 < Taza> quanticle: But Peaker talked about WYSIWYG editing in general.
2008-02-16 16:54 < DannyLilithborne> well... couldn't you do that before?
2008-02-16 16:54 < kenlyric> giant emacs e-peen
2008-02-16 16:55 < kenlyric> so very uninteresting
2008-02-16 16:55 < Taza> nano. <3
2008-02-16 16:55 < kenlyric> ewwww
2008-02-16 16:55 < kenlyric> get out
2008-02-16 16:55 < Taza> I used nano once and instantly loved it.
2008-02-16 16:55 < DannyLilithborne> WordPerfect 5.1 let you do that
2008-02-16 16:55 < Taza> Also, I use fluxbox.
2008-02-16 16:55 < DannyLilithborne> although i've long forgotten the appropriate function keys
2008-02-16 16:55 < Peaker> emacs is the only program I know with decent keyboard support
2008-02-16 16:55 < quanticle> Taza: Well the issue with WYSIWYG is that, all to often it means, What You See Is All You Get
2008-02-16 16:55 < mavhc> I never said you should use a wysiwyg editor for writing web pages, because if it existed it would make horrible code, because html isn't w5g
2008-02-16 16:55 < Taza> quanticle: So, me, Peaker and you are in agreement, and mavhc is trolling.
2008-02-16 16:56 < DannyLilithborne> wasn't Shift+F3 reverse search or something?
2008-02-16 16:56 < JoeVector> *ahem* http://xkcd.com/378/
2008-02-16 16:56 < DannyLilithborne> people used to know those codes like gangbusters
2008-02-16 16:56 < quanticle> Taza: That's why I like LaTeX and other forms of markup to setup text, because they allow for things that the text editor can't display.
2008-02-16 16:56 * Taza thinks the problems have been solved.
2008-02-16 16:56 < mavhc> no, we're all in agreement, but we're arguing anyway, each amused that the others have misinterpreted what we mean
2008-02-16 16:56 < Taza> quanticle: I don't use a WYSIWYG editor anyway
2008-02-16 16:56 < quanticle> JoeVector: C-x M-x M-butterfly FTW.
2008-02-16 16:57 < mavhc> quanticle: techwriter
2008-02-16 16:57 < Taza> I'm a big fan of commandline and piping lines to a file.
2008-02-16 16:57 < quanticle> mavhc: Heh.
2008-02-16 16:57 < quanticle> Taza: Real programmers don't make mistakes, eh?
2008-02-16 16:57 < Taza> quanticle: I know I don't.
2008-02-16 16:58 < Taza> (disclaimer: I use nano.)
2008-02-16 16:58 * NotAPolecat starts not to mind being ignored so much now
2008-02-16 16:58 < mavhc> does nano have soft word wrap yet?
2008-02-16 16:58 < kenlyric> nano has word wrap that makes you hate computers
2008-02-16 16:59 < slashem> that would be cat > a.out thank you very much
2008-02-16 16:59 < mavhc> can you really be a cli/keyboard fascist and use nano? isn't that the unix editor for noobs?
2008-02-16 16:59 < Taza> nano -w
2008-02-16 16:59 < slashem> nano is not a real editor
2008-02-16 16:59 < slashem> ed is the standard editor.
2008-02-16 16:59 < Taza> *Sighs*
2008-02-16 16:59 < anon32> bah, everyone knows that real men use cat
2008-02-16 16:59 < Taza> EMACS SUCKS!
2008-02-16 16:59 < DannyLilithborne> COPY CON ftw
2008-02-16 16:59 < mavhc> all unix editors suck
2008-02-16 16:59 < kyorosuke> so, since I don't care, go read [[Abbey Series]]
2008-02-16 17:00 < Peaker> I think that .DOC, .HTML and other document formats should be united into one "Document" format, which is edited and viewed by software components that can access such documents remotely over the network, transparently, thereby also replacing the web browser
2008-02-16 17:00 < kyorosuke> I created it but somebody else made it way better, woo!
2008-02-16 17:00 < Peaker> Taza, why do you dislike emacs?
2008-02-16 17:00 < Taza> Peaker: And I want a pony.
2008-02-16 17:00 < Taza> "EMACS SUCKS!" is the message that means "Editor wars are SO... uh... since 1970?"
2008-02-16 17:01 < Peaker> I think emacs' defaults suck. Emacs+decent-dot-files is a usable editor
2008-02-16 17:01 < Taza> (I know, I know, 1976)
2008-02-16 17:01 < Peaker> I don't know any other editor that does not make me want to scream :)
2008-02-16 17:01 < mavhc> nano -w isn't word wrap
2008-02-16 17:01 < Taza> So?
2008-02-16 17:01 < Alkivar> bah... i use pico or joe
2008-02-16 17:02 < Taza> NerdSmell Network.
2008-02-16 17:02 < Alkivar> joe is so retro i love it... reminds me of Wordstar 5 for DOS
2008-02-16 17:02 < Gracenotes> hey... what's the name of the Chopin piano piece that's slow/minor 4/4, with the general rhythm (Quarter note) (Quarter note) (Dotted eighth/Sixteenth) (Quarter note)?
2008-02-16 17:02 < Gracenotes> it uses Neapolitan sixths
2008-02-16 17:02 < mavhc> most editors are either too simple or too hard to use without months of teaching yourself, including all unix editors
2008-02-16 17:02 < Gracenotes> it's relatively famous, as well... I forgot what it was called :|
2008-02-16 17:03 < kyorosuke> I can't answer your question, Gracenotes, but I applaud you for changing the topic
2008-02-16 17:03 < Peaker> Taza, How can you use an editor without incremental search? :) I am spoiled by that and cannot use anything without it now
2008-02-16 17:03 < NotAPolecat> Chopin ever wrote anything in 4/4?
2008-02-16 17:03 < NotAPolecat> :-P
2008-02-16 17:03 < Gracenotes> kyorosuke: lol. #wikipedia knows everything, doesn't it?
2008-02-16 17:03 < NotAPolecat> The king of valse
2008-02-16 17:04 < NotAPolecat> (undanceable waltz but there)
2008-02-16 17:04 < Taza> Peaker: It has "replace", moving with keys, entering text, deleting text and copy&paste.
2008-02-16 17:04 < Taza> All that I need.
2008-02-16 17:04 < mavhc> Peaker: real time search as you type?
2008-02-16 17:04 < kyorosuke> an endless waltz
2008-02-16 17:04 < Peaker> mavhc, Yeah, you could call it WYSIWYG searching ;)
2008-02-16 17:04 < DiligentTerrier7> any admins here
2008-02-16 17:04 < DiligentTerrier7> ?
2008-02-16 17:04 < Peaker> mavhc, You see your search result shaping up as you edit it
2008-02-16 17:04 < mavhc> yes, v. useful
2008-02-16 17:05 < DiligentTerrier7> Any admins here? - I need some help
2008-02-16 17:05 < kyorosuke> there's nothing I like more than having 9 year old girls who are military geniuses and crazy dictators use musical metaphors for mankind's cycle of war and peace
2008-02-16 17:05 < Peaker> Taza, Well, moving around text is very efficient with incremental search (rather than the mouse, or downX15, rightX30
2008-02-16 17:05 < kyorosuke> DiligentTerrier7: lots, what's up?
2008-02-16 17:05 < DiligentTerrier7> are u an admin
2008-02-16 17:05 < DiligentTerrier7> ?
2008-02-16 17:05 < Taza> Peaker: Incremental search is less than perfect, but still decent
2008-02-16 17:05 < DiligentTerrier7> I need someone to move a page for me
2008-02-16 17:05 < Gracenotes> kyorosuke: eh, I guess I'll have to find it myself. It's in a minor key... that's someplace to start, at least
2008-02-16 17:05 < mavhc> all I want from an editor is for it to act like a normal editor, and have lots of features that are available in the UI without having to memorize 1000 shortcut keys
2008-02-16 17:05 < Peaker> Taza, In nano, or in general?
2008-02-16 17:06 < Taza> Peaker: In Firefox actually.
2008-02-16 17:06 < Gracenotes> it might be a nocturne... gah.
2008-02-16 17:06 < DiligentTerrier7> I need someone to move a page for me
2008-02-16 17:06 < mavhc> Gracenotes: tried a humming search engine?
2008-02-16 17:06 < Gracenotes> no
2008-02-16 17:06 < Gracenotes> I've heard of those
2008-02-16 17:06 < Peaker> Taza, Firefox's keyboard support, btw, is horrible
2008-02-16 17:06 < Gracenotes> well, I have a microphone
2008-02-16 17:06 < DiligentTerrier7> HELP PLEASE.... ANY ADMINS HERE
2008-02-16 17:06 < NotAPolecat> the dotted-eighth, sixteenth, quarter seems to be in the one we have a sample of
2008-02-16 17:07 < Peaker> Taza, Like most other applications, switching keyboard layouts breaks all shortcut keys, and sometimes up/down/pgup/pgdn just don't work, etc
2008-02-16 17:07 < NotAPolecat> the Revolutionary etude
2008-02-16 17:07 < geniice> DiligentTerrier7 for which project?
2008-02-16 17:07 < DiligentTerrier7> Wikipedia
2008-02-16 17:07 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: let me see
2008-02-16 17:07 < DiligentTerrier7> can u help?
2008-02-16 17:07 < NotAPolecat> Oh, I dunno
2008-02-16 17:08 < DiligentTerrier7> can you move a page?
2008-02-16 17:08 < DiligentTerrier7> and override an exsisting one
2008-02-16 17:08 < DannyLilithborne> DiligentTerrier7: there might be a page for that
2008-02-16 17:08 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: no, that's not it. The melody is something like (5) (6) (5-4) (3) -- in a minor key
2008-02-16 17:08 < NotAPolecat> heh
2008-02-16 17:09 < Gracenotes> DiligentTerrier7: [[WP:RM]]
2008-02-16 17:09 < DiligentTerrier7> Well it's a very basic move inside a userspace
2008-02-16 17:09 < Gracenotes> hm. What is it?
2008-02-16 17:09 < Taza> Peaker: Sorry, seizure. I'll have to retreat from the computer.
2008-02-16 17:09 < NotAPolecat> I remember those things asked in usenet and people would go to great lengths ASCII-drawing notes
2008-02-16 17:09 < Peaker> Taza, ok
2008-02-16 17:09 < DannyLilithborne> you could put {{db-userreq}} on the original page and when it's deleted then move it
2008-02-16 17:09 < DiligentTerrier7> If you tell me your username i'll give you the link to move the page
2008-02-16 17:10 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: heh
2008-02-16 17:10 < geniice> hmm anyone want to ask the uploader of this to copyright otrs?
2008-02-16 17:10 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Erika_Amato.jpg
2008-02-16 17:10 < DiligentTerrier7> no, actually i'm moving a temporary wikiproject (in the userspace) into Wikipedia: space
2008-02-16 17:10 * NotAPolecat is nowhere near a Chopin connoisseur
2008-02-16 17:11 < DiligentTerrier7> IS ANYONE HERE AN ADMINISTRATOR?
2008-02-16 17:11 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: got it, I think: the funeral march
2008-02-16 17:11 < Gracenotes> maybe...
2008-02-16 17:11 < NotAPolecat> hah
2008-02-16 17:11 < NotAPolecat> la marche funèbre
2008-02-16 17:11 < Gracenotes> some kind of minor march
2008-02-16 17:11 < NotAPolecat> Mahler has an awesome one of those.
2008-02-16 17:12 < NotAPolecat> great parody
2008-02-16 17:12 * Gracenotes puts that on his to-listen list
2008-02-16 17:13 < geniice> DiligentTerrier7> try !admin
2008-02-16 17:13 < DiligentTerrier7> huh?
2008-02-16 17:13 < DiligentTerrier7> !admin
2008-02-16 17:13 < DiligentTerrier7> hmmmm...
2008-02-16 17:13 < DiligentTerrier7> nothing
2008-02-16 17:13 < geniice> and while yes I am an admin not on en
2008-02-16 17:13 < geniice> DiligentTerrier7 what is the problem anyway?
2008-02-16 17:14 < DiligentTerrier7> need to move a page inside my userspace
2008-02-16 17:14 < DannyLilithborne> or he could try shutting up and, you know, going to the pages we sent
2008-02-16 17:14 < NotASpy> I would help, but I'm a bit busy at the moment.
2008-02-16 17:14 < DiligentTerrier7> I tried that
2008-02-16 17:14 < geniice> DiligentTerrier7> shove a moverequest at the top of the page
2008-02-16 17:14 < DiligentTerrier7> I started a Wikiproject inside my userspace, and now that I have enough members I have to move it into the project space
2008-02-16 17:15 < DiligentTerrier7> i have 11 members
2008-02-16 17:15 < DiligentTerrier7> and I have to move the page
2008-02-16 17:15 < NotAPolecat> it's the third movement of Mahler's first symphony.
2008-02-16 17:15 < Gracenotes> DiligentTerrier7: just say what the pages are already. Please :)
2008-02-16 17:15 < DiligentTerrier7> hold on a sec...
2008-02-16 17:16 < NotAPolecat> inspired by this wood carving
2008-02-16 17:16 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: hm, I think I have a MIDI of this Chopin piece on my other computer. *runs off*
2008-02-16 17:16 < NotAPolecat> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Schwind_Begraebnis.jpg
2008-02-16 17:16 < NotAPolecat> hah
2008-02-16 17:16 < DiligentTerrier7> here is the current page: User:Diligent Terrier/WikiProject Homeschooling
2008-02-16 17:16 < DiligentTerrier7> Have to move it to: Wikipedia:WikiProject Homeschooling
2008-02-16 17:17 < DiligentTerrier7> so...
2008-02-16 17:17 < DiligentTerrier7> can anyone do it?
2008-02-16 17:17 < NotAPolecat> yay, the penis size comparison in HTML is over
2008-02-16 17:17 < Taza> Ouch.
2008-02-16 17:17 < Taza> Mostly because I got a reminder I'm dying
2008-02-16 17:18 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: lol, is that Redwall? :)
2008-02-16 17:18 < NotAPolecat> When the tractor arrived, life is good again at the worker's commune!
2008-02-16 17:18 < NotAPolecat> *was
2008-02-16 17:18 < NotAPolecat> What is Redwall?
2008-02-16 17:18 < NotAPolecat> Probably not
2008-02-16 17:18 < geniice> Gracenotes stags generaly don't feature in redwall
2008-02-16 17:18 < Gracenotes> heh, I don't remember the series too well.
2008-02-16 17:19 < Gracenotes> just that it had animals doing psuedo-heroic things
2008-02-16 17:19 < Taza> I have a significant problem with my health and it's been getting MUCH worse lately. Like in the last weeks. So I'm not up for long debates. x_X
2008-02-16 17:19 < NotAPolecat> oh, the image
2008-02-16 17:19 < DannyLilithborne> :( sorry Taza
2008-02-16 17:19 < NotAPolecat> it's Moritz von Schwindt's "The Animals of the Forest Bury the Hunter"
2008-02-16 17:19 < Taza> DannyLilithborne: Sorry for what exactly? :p
2008-02-16 17:19 < Taza> I've got a doctor's appointment that should solve it next wednesday
2008-02-16 17:19 < DannyLilithborne> sorry to hear about your health
2008-02-16 17:19 < Taza> It's been a long road but I think it's soon over.
2008-02-16 17:20 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: found it! Op. 28, No. 20
2008-02-16 17:20 < NotAPolecat> Hooray!
2008-02-16 17:20 < Taza> And just in time - I have a feeling it would have been over soon anyway.
2008-02-16 17:20 < Gracenotes> it's a good one, too
2008-02-16 17:20 < Taza> Because, well, either I find a cure or I die.
2008-02-16 17:20 < Gracenotes> although a bit short
2008-02-16 17:20 < DannyLilithborne> heh
2008-02-16 17:20 < DannyLilithborne> i've got health woes too
2008-02-16 17:20 < Taza> Likely there's something as simple as sleep apnea behind this.
2008-02-16 17:21 < Taza> But seeing if it is sleep apnea, I've had it for six years. Of sleep deprivation.
2008-02-16 17:21 < Taza> Physical effects and especially mental effects.
2008-02-16 17:21 * NotAPolecat conducts his laptop speakers vigorously
2008-02-16 17:21 < DannyLilithborne> yea... hopefully
2008-02-16 17:21 < DannyLilithborne> Wikipedia seems to be moving along slow today
2008-02-16 17:22 < NotAPolecat> the enigmatic solo oboe in Beethovens fifth stumps me each time
2008-02-16 17:22 < Gracenotes> DiligentTerrier7: do all the subpages need moving too?
2008-02-16 17:23 < Martinp23> DiligentTerrier7: I've moved that page + talk page, but the subpages will need doing too. I don't think there's anything in the way to stop them from going through cleanly without deletion.
2008-02-16 17:23 < Axeman> ZOMG
2008-02-16 17:23 < Gracenotes> good day, Axeman
2008-02-16 17:23 < Axeman> hey Gracenotes
2008-02-16 17:24 < Taza> Also.
2008-02-16 17:24 < Taza> WCDMA SUCKS.
2008-02-16 17:24 < DiligentTerrier7> I can do the subpages...thanks!
2008-02-16 17:24 * Axeman wonders what the polar opposite of Gracenotes it
2008-02-16 17:24 < Martinp23> np :)
2008-02-16 17:24 < Axeman> Like...
2008-02-16 17:24 < Axeman> Clumsyreminders
2008-02-16 17:24 < NotAPolecat> Clumsinesspauses?
2008-02-16 17:24 < Axeman> hivemind
2008-02-16 17:24 < Axeman> Wait a sec, how is "pauses" the opposite of "notes"?
2008-02-16 17:24 < Axeman> oh, I see, durr
2008-02-16 17:24 < Axeman> maybe
2008-02-16 17:24 < anon32> Danish MPs have cancelled a trip to Iran after Tehran demanded they apologise for the republication of cartoons deemed offensive to Islam. <-- MP = Military Police?
2008-02-16 17:24 < NotAPolecat> ok
2008-02-16 17:25 < Taza> Lack of a note is called a pause.
2008-02-16 17:25 < Axeman> ... oh
2008-02-16 17:25 < NotAPolecat> anon32: Members of parliament
2008-02-16 17:25 < Gracenotes> grace note is a musical term, not a haphazard amalgamation of two nice-sounding words :)
2008-02-16 17:25 < Taza> anon32: "Memeber of parliament"
2008-02-16 17:25 < Axeman> Oh, I see.
2008-02-16 17:25 < Gracenotes> although it might be that too
2008-02-16 17:25 < Axeman> then again
2008-02-16 17:25 < anon32> huh
2008-02-16 17:25 < DiligentTerrier7> Gracenotes: Can you get the subpages, too?
2008-02-16 17:25 < Taza> So the opposite of "Gracenotes" is "Clumsy pauses" in one sense.
2008-02-16 17:25 < Axeman> there's always my arch-enemy BowsawWoman
2008-02-16 17:26 < Sfan00> OK Folks thanks to a LOT of digging - Wikipedia now has one of THE defintive list of Childern's Film Foundation titles
2008-02-16 17:26 < NotAPolecat> there it is, the enigmatic solo oboe.
2008-02-16 17:26 < Sfan00> (Thanks to a lot of digging on my part)
2008-02-16 17:26 < Axeman> and DiligentTerrier7 would be LazyBeagle5
2008-02-16 17:26 < Sfan00> There are however 3 films I cannot track down...
2008-02-16 17:26 < Axeman> but what's an Sfan?
2008-02-16 17:26 < DiligentTerrier7> Well I can't do it because im not an admin
2008-02-16 17:26 < NotAPolecat> Sfan00: Care for a barnstar? I'd design you one.
2008-02-16 17:26 < NotAPolecat> hehe
2008-02-16 17:26 < Gracenotes> DiligentTerrier7: these? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Prefixindex/User:Diligent_Terrier/WikiProject_Homeschooling/
2008-02-16 17:26 < Axeman> Like, someone who really likes the letter S?
2008-02-16 17:26 < Gracenotes> DiligentTerrier7: you can move those pages
2008-02-16 17:27 < Sfan00> (and ti would be nice to know the original titles for some of the Imports though) so it's not quite ready for article space
2008-02-16 17:27 < Gracenotes> because they don't already exist
2008-02-16 17:27 < NotAPolecat> "sf" is an Italian-style word start
2008-02-16 17:27 < NotAPolecat> "sforzato"
2008-02-16 17:27 < Taza> Then again, you could say the opposite of gracenotes is 4'33"
2008-02-16 17:27 < Sfan00> NotAPoleCat: Doesn't Wikiproject:Cinema have a barnstar system?
2008-02-16 17:27 < Sfan00> Sfan00 is short for ShakespeareFan00
2008-02-16 17:27 < Gracenotes> Taza: well, the opposite of any note :)
2008-02-16 17:27 < NotAPolecat> 4'33 with someone making gross noises from the audience.
2008-02-16 17:27 * Lubaf makes Amy Winehouse go to Rehab.
2008-02-16 17:27 < DiligentTerrier7> YES gracenotes
2008-02-16 17:27 < DiligentTerrier7> those
2008-02-16 17:28 * NotAPolecat goes to Rehoboth
2008-02-16 17:28 < Sfan00> BTW NotAPolecat: You could help by filling on some of the redlinks on the Film List and Directors List I've got linked from my User page
2008-02-16 17:28 < NotAPolecat> I've never quite gotten what you do, create a series of stubs?
2008-02-16 17:28 < NotAPolecat> and with what source?
2008-02-16 17:29 < NotAPolecat> Brb.
2008-02-16 17:29 < Sfan00> NotAPoleCaT: Well first check Bluelinks -- link to something sensible :)
2008-02-16 17:30 < Sfan00> If not redirect , diambig or fix the link
2008-02-16 17:30 < NotAPolecat> ya
2008-02-16 17:30 < Sfan00> Then do the same for redlinks
2008-02-16 17:30 < NotAPolecat> oh, fair
2008-02-16 17:30 < Sfan00> (checking for alternate names and so on)
2008-02-16 17:30 < NotAPolecat> so we ought to have an article for each item already
2008-02-16 17:30 < Gracenotes> DiligentTerrier7: you can move those
2008-02-16 17:30 < Sfan00> Setting up appropriate redirects if needed ( Like I did with Communion)
2008-02-16 17:30 < Axeman> GRACENOTES: Garrulous Repairer Also Capable of Easily Nestling Oboes To Enable Symphonies
2008-02-16 17:30 < Sfan00> NotAPoleCat: For the films and directors possibly
2008-02-16 17:31 * NotAPolecat delivers his statement smorzando
2008-02-16 17:31 < Sfan00> However some of the directors listed may not notable ( I.e 1 minor B-movie or CFF production credit)
2008-02-16 17:31 < NotAPolecat> yea
2008-02-16 17:31 < Sfan00> So I suggest checking against other sites, like the IMDB and the BFI Database site
2008-02-16 17:31 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: hush
2008-02-16 17:31 < NotAPolecat> I'm not at all acquainted with the British kid movie scene beyond HP though.
2008-02-16 17:32 < Sfan00> NotAPolecat: My list of film/directors is not CFF related
2008-02-16 17:32 < Axeman> SFAN00: Swiftly and Fully Adept Necromancer, Obtusely Ogling
2008-02-16 17:32 < NotAPolecat> oh right
2008-02-16 17:32 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: I like the term smorzando... it was once my password to a forum :<
2008-02-16 17:32 < NotAPolecat> haha
2008-02-16 17:32 < Sfan00> It's bascily the list I found in a 1978 film libray catalouge
2008-02-16 17:32 < Axeman> So do you like my acronymming?
2008-02-16 17:32 < NotAPolecat> one of my favorite execution directions
2008-02-16 17:32 < Sfan00> It's proving to be rather useufl
2008-02-16 17:32 < Sfan00> *useful
2008-02-16 17:33 < NotAPolecat> if not altogether up to date?
2008-02-16 17:33 < Sfan00> In that it's already found some missing titles useufl redirects :)
2008-02-16 17:33 < Gracenotes> dying... xxxx... *.*
2008-02-16 17:33 < Sfan00> NotAPolecat: Well it was uptodate for 1978 ;)
2008-02-16 17:33 < Sfan00> Don't regard ti as anything other than a guide to where there MAY be coverage gaps :)
2008-02-16 17:34 < NotAPolecat> I most strenuously deny the existence of notable novelties in the last thirty years!
2008-02-16 17:34 < NotAPolecat> :-D
2008-02-16 17:34 < NotAPolecat> haha
2008-02-16 17:34 < NotAPolecat> No worries
2008-02-16 17:34 < Sfan00> I.E Once the Redlinks on it go to the right places Wikipedia's film coverage will be greatly enhanced
2008-02-16 17:34 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-16 17:34 < NotAPolecat> haha well then
2008-02-16 17:34 < Mike_H> Oh, my God
2008-02-16 17:34 < NotAPolecat> brb though
2008-02-16 17:34 < Mike_H> we're only into Day 5 of Big Brother 9
2008-02-16 17:35 < NotAPolecat> You have a god?
2008-02-16 17:35 < Mike_H> and already two houseguests have had sex.
2008-02-16 17:35 < Sfan00> Of course if I was totallyy evil , I would suggest trying to stub out some articles for all the CFF films ( but I've been unable to find sources to back those up)
2008-02-16 17:35 < Sfan00> Big Brother where?
2008-02-16 17:35 < NotAPolecat> Rabid rabbits
2008-02-16 17:35 < Mike_H> Sfan00: Big Brother 9
2008-02-16 17:35 < Mike_H> (US)
2008-02-16 17:35 < Taza> Mike_H: It took 'till day 5?
2008-02-16 17:35 < Taza> Slow.
2008-02-16 17:35 < NotAPolecat> Sfan00: That wouldn't be at all evil.
2008-02-16 17:35 < NotAPolecat> especially when sourced and with a hint of their notability
2008-02-16 17:35 < Mike_H> Taza: Well, I can count on one hand how many times sex has happened at all in our BB house
2008-02-16 17:35 < Sfan00> NotAAPolecat: ZOMG Chiffycruft!!
2008-02-16 17:35 < NotAPolecat> I think the stub-phobia is quite weird.
2008-02-16 17:36 < Mike_H> So they put the audio feed of it on the Internet, because the live feed switched to the fireplace
2008-02-16 17:36 < Mike_H> and you can hear them talking
2008-02-16 17:36 < Mike_H> and the girl goes "Is it in yet?"
2008-02-16 17:36 < NotAPolecat> o.o
2008-02-16 17:36 < NotAPolecat> not very family friendly
2008-02-16 17:36 < Sfan00> Personally I would be happy leaving the CFF Title list as a list (apart from the obviously notable one like "The Boy Who Turned Yellow" because of it's director
2008-02-16 17:36 < Mike_H> and after like 30 seconds of grunting, the girl says "What? You went? You did it already?"
2008-02-16 17:36 < Mike_H> So by all accounts, her and the audience, it was just bad sex.
2008-02-16 17:36 < NotAPolecat> haha
2008-02-16 17:37 < NotAPolecat> well they've got a couple more tries
2008-02-16 17:37 < Taza> Jesus.
2008-02-16 17:37 < Taza> American men.
2008-02-16 17:37 < Mike_H> haha
2008-02-16 17:37 < Mike_H> Taza: Where are you from?
2008-02-16 17:37 < NotAPolecat> maybe they figure they'll survive longer if they give the audience some reason to laugh
2008-02-16 17:37 < Taza> Finland.
2008-02-16 17:37 < Mike_H> ah
2008-02-16 17:37 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fL8KXPe3TM
2008-02-16 17:37 < Sfan00> BTW NotAPolecat; Wikipedia's CFF title list should be comprhensive
2008-02-16 17:37 < Mike_H> That's our cast from BB9
2008-02-16 17:37 < Taza> Strong men, strong women.
2008-02-16 17:37 < NotAPolecat> Schadenfreude and sex is a foolproof combination
2008-02-16 17:37 < Mike_H> Ryan and Jen are the ones who had sex
2008-02-16 17:38 < Sfan00> I found a few that in the BFI db that netiher Cream or IMDB noted...
2008-02-16 17:38 < Sfan00> *that were
2008-02-16 17:38 < Mike_H> they both look disgusting, to be fair
2008-02-16 17:38 * NotAPolecat counterignores because I know where things go from here
2008-02-16 17:38 < NotAPolecat> haha
2008-02-16 17:38 < Mike_H> she's kind of a ho and he's kind of greasy
2008-02-16 17:38 < kyorosuke> huh
2008-02-16 17:38 < kyorosuke> greasy guys are all too common
2008-02-16 17:38 < Taza> I r not.
2008-02-16 17:38 < Taza> I look like RMS. ;_;
2008-02-16 17:39 < NotAPolecat> Quidquid non est in IMDB, non est in mundo
2008-02-16 17:39 < Taza> (well, 'cept younger and without the beard)
2008-02-16 17:39 < Gargantua> Hello
2008-02-16 17:39 < Mike_H> and to think the first houseguest sex would involve Sheila
2008-02-16 17:39 < Gargantua> Anyone know what is that genetic disorder called, the one where you are born with 6 digits on either or both hands?
2008-02-16 17:39 < Mike_H> the former Penthouse Pet from December 1981
2008-02-16 17:39 < Mike_H> and the 1983 Penthouse Pet of the Year
2008-02-16 17:39 < NotAPolecat> Hyperdactylia?
2008-02-16 17:40 < NotAPolecat> Something like that?
2008-02-16 17:40 < Taza> I think you nailed it.
2008-02-16 17:40 < Taza> Nope
2008-02-16 17:40 < kyorosuke> watch an episode of MST3K, there's a good change you'll see an oily guy in the movie (or several oily guys)
2008-02-16 17:40 < Gracenotes> Gargantua: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyly
2008-02-16 17:40 < kyorosuke> chance*
2008-02-16 17:40 < Gargantua> Gracenotes, thanks!
2008-02-16 17:40 < Gargantua> a wikipedia search for "six fingeres" didn't return anything useful :P
2008-02-16 17:40 < Mike_H> Big Brother 9 starts
2008-02-16 17:40 < Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjRWZESKFoI
2008-02-16 17:41 < NotAPolecat> Polydaktylie
2008-02-16 17:41 < Gracenotes> Polydactyly or polydactylism (from Ancient Greek πολύς (polus) "many" + δάκτυλος (daktulos) "finger"), also known as hyperdactyly, [...]
2008-02-16 17:41 < NotAPolecat> Polydactylia
2008-02-16 17:41 < NotAPolecat> Many-fingered-ness
2008-02-16 17:41 < Gracenotes> yeah
2008-02-16 17:41 < Gargantua> lol
2008-02-16 17:41 < Gracenotes> of course, I have many fingers
2008-02-16 17:41 < Gargantua> I'm getting a six-fingered cat... so...
2008-02-16 17:41 < Gargantua> I was trying to read up on it.
2008-02-16 17:41 < Gracenotes> it's pretty common in cats
2008-02-16 17:41 < Gracenotes> in fact, we have an article on that, lol
2008-02-16 17:42 < Gracenotes> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydactyl_cat
2008-02-16 17:42 < NotAPolecat> I guess it's better to have it on your feet, for everyday life.
2008-02-16 17:42 < Taza> Having six functioning digits would be awesome. :P
2008-02-16 17:42 < Taza> Fingers, that is.
2008-02-16 17:42 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: and you'd have a shoe size of, what, 10 4G? :)
2008-02-16 17:42 < NotAPolecat> Especially writing should be a hassle with six fingers.
2008-02-16 17:43 < Taza> If it was fully functioning, why?
2008-02-16 17:43 < NotAPolecat> I don't know if it makes that much difference
2008-02-16 17:43 < Taza> I'd be a faster typer and I could manipulate objects better.
2008-02-16 17:43 < Gargantua> Gracenotes, thanks.
2008-02-16 17:43 < Gracenotes> actually, 6E, not 4G.
2008-02-16 17:43 < Taza> Sure, finding proper gloves would be a royal pain...
2008-02-16 17:43 < Gargantua> you're a life savor :)
2008-02-16 17:43 < Taza> I have size 50 european shoes anyway.
2008-02-16 17:44 < Gracenotes> yeah, the shoe size system in the US is relatively complicated
2008-02-16 17:44 < Gracenotes> Gargantua: no problem..
2008-02-16 17:44 < Taza> Gracenotes: What would size 50 european be in the US?
2008-02-16 17:44 < Taza> IIRC it was 15 or so UK.
2008-02-16 17:44 < NotAPolecat> then again, I wear walking aids that make my shoes roughly make my feet ten continental European sizes larger
2008-02-16 17:44 < Gargantua> I wonder if you could type faster if you had 6 fingers.
2008-02-16 17:44 < NotAPolecat> gah
2008-02-16 17:44 < NotAPolecat> "shoes"
2008-02-16 17:44 < Gargantua> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/33/Polydactyly_01_Rhand_AP.jpg/180px-Polydactyly_01_Rhand_AP.jpg
2008-02-16 17:44 < NotAPolecat> than my feet are
2008-02-16 17:44 < NotAPolecat> thusly
2008-02-16 17:44 < Gargantua> That looks rather fully functional.
2008-02-16 17:45 < Gracenotes> and kind of scary
2008-02-16 17:45 < NotAPolecat> yea, it will still be a hassle to hold things I guess
2008-02-16 17:46 < Gargantua> Trivia question: If you had a child with 6 fingers, would you surgically remove the extra digit?
2008-02-16 17:46 < Taza> Gracenotes: Do you know what size 50 european would be in US shoe sizes?
2008-02-16 17:46 < Taza> ... or anyone?
2008-02-16 17:46 < Gracenotes> Taza: no :|
2008-02-16 17:46 < NotAPolecat> If it's safe and I can afford it, yes.
2008-02-16 17:46 < NotAPolecat> I would.
2008-02-16 17:46 < Taza> I wouldn't.
2008-02-16 17:47 < Taza> Unless it was just a lump of soft tissue.
2008-02-16 17:47 < NotAPolecat> it'd be an even bigger problem for the kid in school to keep it.
2008-02-16 17:47 < Gargantua> Yeah
2008-02-16 17:47 < Gargantua> I hold the same opinion, Taza.
2008-02-16 17:47 < Gargantua> a six fingered child would be cool.
2008-02-16 17:47 < Axeman> Hey... anyone else want an acronym?
2008-02-16 17:47 < Gargantua> "My child is a grade a student"
2008-02-16 17:47 < Gracenotes> a bony sixth finger I might be okay with. A cartilaginous one, no.
2008-02-16 17:47 < Gracenotes> the latter would probably be easier to remove anyway
2008-02-16 17:47 < Gargantua> "OH YEAH? WELL MINE HAS 6 FINGERS!"
2008-02-16 17:48 < kyorosuke> ... for something specific, or just in general?
2008-02-16 17:48 < Gracenotes> heh
2008-02-16 17:48 < Taza> They'd trump you with 10 fingers
2008-02-16 17:48 < kyorosuke> I mean, I like acronyms, but...
2008-02-16 17:48 * White_Cat uses tackle on Gracenotes
2008-02-16 17:48 < NotAPolecat> Children don't serve the purpose of bragging with them.
2008-02-16 17:48 < Gargantua> Plus, you will never get the "Your son has used the middle-finger in school today..." call from the teacher :P
2008-02-16 17:48 < NotAPolecat> haha
2008-02-16 17:48 < Gargantua> Unless they flick the middle two fingers or something.
2008-02-16 17:48 < Taza> Gracenotes: Does "17�" sound right for a shoe size?
2008-02-16 17:48 < NotAPolecat> yea
2008-02-16 17:49 * White_Cat uses tackle on Gracenotes again to catch his attention
2008-02-16 17:49 < NotAPolecat> and even then he can say "it was just a peace sign"
2008-02-16 17:49 < Gracenotes> Taza: sounds a bit high.
2008-02-16 17:49 < Mercerism> hi are monochrome computer displays still being made?
2008-02-16 17:49 < Mike_H> Oh, my God, Big Brother is so cruel
2008-02-16 17:49 < Taza> Gracenotes: 'kay
2008-02-16 17:49 < Gracenotes> White_Cat: hey :)
2008-02-16 17:49 < White_Cat> Gracenotes :D
2008-02-16 17:49 < White_Cat> pm
2008-02-16 17:49 < Taza> So I have size 17� US shoe size
2008-02-16 17:49 < Mike_H> the host is like, "Sharon just broke off her relationship of 12 years."
2008-02-16 17:49 < Gracenotes> Taza: I might be wrong -- I'm not exactly an expert
2008-02-16 17:49 < Taza> Anyone can see what a pain finding shoes is.
2008-02-16 17:49 < Mercerism> i want a monochrome monitor to play computer games on
2008-02-16 17:49 < Mike_H> "What she doesn't know is that her recent ex is going to be a player in the game!"
2008-02-16 17:49 < Mercerism> all the bright colors hurt my eyes
2008-02-16 17:50 < Gargantua> Mike_H, lol.
2008-02-16 17:50 < Gracenotes> Taza: finding shoes is a bit of a pain for me :) I'm 12 4E
2008-02-16 17:50 < Gracenotes> in US sizes
2008-02-16 17:50 < NotAPolecat> "click on the grey field to continue"
2008-02-16 17:50 < NotAPolecat> :-P
2008-02-16 17:50 < Gracenotes> 12 is easy to find, but 4E is not -- extra-wide, basically
2008-02-16 17:50 < Mike_H> Gargantua: and this theme is "til death do you part," so every contestant has a partner, and they do everything together
2008-02-16 17:50 < Taza> Gracenotes: It doesn't sound any harder than for me.
2008-02-16 17:50 * NotAPolecat dreads shopping for shoes
2008-02-16 17:50 < Mike_H> compete together, sleep together, and get evicted together
2008-02-16 17:50 < Mike_H> so that's going to be rough on Sharon
2008-02-16 17:50 < Gargantua> Mike_H, lol.
2008-02-16 17:50 < Gracenotes> Taza: hm, why?
2008-02-16 17:50 < Gracenotes> if you don't mind me asking
2008-02-16 17:51 < Taza> Gracenotes: Usually shoes are made up to 47 european
2008-02-16 17:51 < Gargantua> A Canadian cat called Tiger was recognised by Guinness World Records as having the highest number of toes on a cat, with 27 toes. [3]
2008-02-16 17:51 < Gargantua> 27
2008-02-16 17:51 < Gargantua> wow
2008-02-16 17:51 < Taza> I'm three sizes larger than the usual largest size
2008-02-16 17:51 < Gracenotes> Taza: in length, mostly, or girth?
2008-02-16 17:51 < Mike_H> Oh, that's a ripoff, apparently the ones who had sex are dating in real life
2008-02-16 17:51 < Mike_H> bleh, you suck, Big Brother
2008-02-16 17:51 < NotAPolecat> poor chap probably had coordination problems when tip-toeing
2008-02-16 17:51 < Taza> Gracenotes: Length is relatively normal - high - but the girth adds to it
2008-02-16 17:51 < Gracenotes> NotAPolecat: well, if he was ambulatory at all :)
2008-02-16 17:52 < Mercerism> we should build the biggest guinness world records book
2008-02-16 17:52 < Mercerism> with like 500 font letters
2008-02-16 17:52 < NotAPolecat> Mike_H: They should do a more professional job bonking then.
2008-02-16 17:52 < kyorosuke> actually, cats are always tip-toeing, technically
2008-02-16 17:52 < kyorosuke> because they're digitigrade
2008-02-16 17:52 < Mercerism> or the smallest guinness world records book
2008-02-16 17:52 < Mercerism> or the most normal sized
2008-02-16 17:52 < Mercerism> or the fastest moving guinness world records book
2008-02-16 17:53 < NotAPolecat> or the guinness book whose editors drank the most pints of Guinness.
2008-02-16 17:53 < NotAPolecat> (while inventing the records)
2008-02-16 17:53 < Taza> Gracenotes: I think I'd be 14 3E or so in US sizes.
2008-02-16 17:53 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: At least it explains why she was so understanding when he finished after 30 seconds. No doubt she's used to it.
2008-02-16 17:53 < NotAPolecat> haha yes
2008-02-16 17:53 < Sfan00> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Diagnostic Hmm
2008-02-16 17:53 < Sfan00> I wonder why I created it
2008-02-16 17:53 < Sfan00> :)
2008-02-16 17:53 < NotAPolecat> Template inflation!
2008-02-16 17:53 < Taza> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Crap
2008-02-16 17:54 < Taza> I created that. :P
2008-02-16 17:54 < NotAPolecat> I wonder when we'll have template wars between templates that do the same job
2008-02-16 17:54 < Mike_H> God, Natalie is a "bikini barista"
2008-02-16 17:54 < Mike_H> she serves coffee in a bikini
2008-02-16 17:54 < Mike_H> only in America.
2008-02-16 17:54 < Sfan00> ROFL
2008-02-16 17:54 < kyorosuke> haaah
2008-02-16 17:54 < kyorosuke> hell of a career choice
2008-02-16 17:54 < Sfan00> 'Hot' coffeee?
2008-02-16 17:54 < Sfan00> ;)
2008-02-16 17:54 < NotAPolecat> Mike_H: Mediterranean beaches have things like that.
2008-02-16 17:54 < Mike_H> NotAPolecat: She's from Oregon.
2008-02-16 17:54 < NotAPolecat> haha
2008-02-16 17:54 < NotAPolecat> Maybe she wears a woollen bikini then
2008-02-16 17:55 < Mike_H> Haha, the exes just saw one another
2008-02-16 17:55 < kyorosuke> ah yes, those rich oregon summers
2008-02-16 17:55 < Mike_H> the guy like darted into another room and the girl started crying
2008-02-16 17:55 < The359> or maybe it's indoors...
2008-02-16 17:55 < NotAPolecat> brb, need more hops soup
2008-02-16 17:55 < Mike_H> oh, Big Brother, this is why I love you.
2008-02-16 17:55 < Gargantua> lol
2008-02-16 17:55 < kyorosuke> brutal
2008-02-16 17:55 < Gargantua> What is big brother?
2008-02-16 17:55 < Axeman> hehe
2008-02-16 17:56 < kyorosuke> but reality tv is all about seeing people suffer - so you don't have to!
2008-02-16 17:56 < Axeman> I put NotAPolecat into the cyborg name generator
2008-02-16 17:56 < NotAPolecat> a television show where people are watched by a TV audience 24/7
2008-02-16 17:56 < Axeman> apparently there's a program that makes names into acronyms
2008-02-16 17:56 < Gargantua> What a shitty name for such show.
2008-02-16 17:56 < Axeman> :(
2008-02-16 17:56 < Axeman> I've been doing it by hand
2008-02-16 17:56 < Mike_H> Gargantua: It's a reference to the book 1984.
2008-02-16 17:56 < Mike_H> "Big Brother is watching."
2008-02-16 17:56 < FastLizard4> Gargantua: Or... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_(Nineteen_Eighty-Four)
2008-02-16 17:56 < Sfan00> Gragantua: A means by which to convinve the US that torturing people in the name of reality TV is acceptable
2008-02-16 17:56 < Gargantua> Book? :(
2008-02-16 17:57 < NotAPolecat> But in 1984, you didn't win a couple thousand dollar in the end.
2008-02-16 17:57 < Gracenotes> Mike_H: and showers? >.>
2008-02-16 17:57 < Axeman> hahaha
2008-02-16 17:57 < geniice> Mike_H AKA liveing in the UK
2008-02-16 17:57 < Axeman> The Truman Show
2008-02-16 17:57 < Gracenotes> and sleeping? and bathroom?
2008-02-16 17:57 < NotAPolecat> Big Brother is a Dutch show.
2008-02-16 17:57 < Gracenotes> ugh
2008-02-16 17:57 < Gracenotes> Axeman: yep, exactly like that :)
2008-02-16 17:57 < Gracenotes> except reality TV...
2008-02-16 17:57 < Axeman> hahaha
2008-02-16 17:57 < kyorosuke> yeah, don't blame America
2008-02-16 17:57 < NotAPolecat> it was developed at Endemol in the Netherlands
2008-02-16 17:57 < Axeman> Yeah, but Truman didn't know about the show
2008-02-16 17:57 < Gargantua> liveing in the UK, eh?
2008-02-16 17:57 < Axeman> whereas people on Big Brother do
2008-02-16 17:57 < Gargantua> kyorosuke, blame Canada, instead!
2008-02-16 17:57 < Gracenotes> yeah
2008-02-16 17:57 < Axeman> which was what made it creepy
2008-02-16 17:58 < kyorosuke> biting
2008-02-16 17:58 < NotAPolecat> People who don't know the inner workings of UK BB read the wrong papers.
2008-02-16 17:58 < Gracenotes> Gargantua: oh dear... where does "blame Canada" come from
2008-02-16 17:58 < Gracenotes> lol, I forgot
2008-02-16 17:58 * Axeman moons the TV
2008-02-16 17:58 < geniice> Gargantua in the UK if you are outside you will tend to be on camera
2008-02-16 17:58 < NotAPolecat> South Park?
2008-02-16 17:58 < Taza> Yeah.
2008-02-16 17:58 < Gracenotes> wasn't it some sketch, or something?