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2008-02-15 22:25 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: well, most of the time when the state removes its paws publicly, it's still involved, but in a more discreet or indirect way
2008-02-15 22:25 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: Wasn't that the kind of logic that we last tried when it caused the great Famine in Ireland?
2008-02-15 22:25 < TheWeasel> You can't responsibly put people through that.
2008-02-15 22:25 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: the potato famine?
2008-02-15 22:26 < cimon> an you have too much of a good thing? There may be some question as to whether an article on "Finnish Profanity" rises to the same level of importance as "Finnish Grammar"—someone seeking out the most important topics in any sub-domain of human knowledge might have difficulty finding them in Wikipedia. But assuming the most important topics are covered well, there is no reason that other...
2008-02-15 22:26 < cimon> ...topics that may be considered somewhat more marginal should not also be available." - heh
2008-02-15 22:26 < arcimboldo_> Yep - it was that "force people to care for them self and everything will be booming" thinking
2008-02-15 22:26 < Wikiacc> speaking of the mises institute, there's an article here http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=88 on it
2008-02-15 22:26 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: I'm not saying that, I'm saying the state shouldn't care for them, charities and individuals should
2008-02-15 22:26 * TheWeasel thinks that system is inhumane
2008-02-15 22:26 < Wikiacc> it's more efficient, more targeted and works better in the long run
2008-02-15 22:27 < cimon> Wikiacc: btw, my uncle translated that book by Hayek
2008-02-15 22:27 < TheWeasel> it makes people the objects of economy instead of the economy being an object of people
2008-02-15 22:27 < arcimboldo_> Actually, the just re-elected Czech president may be a modern proponent.
2008-02-15 22:27 < Wikiacc> cimon: which one
2008-02-15 22:27 < TheWeasel> In the very long run, during that run people suffer.
2008-02-15 22:27 < cimon> I forget the english name of it. Some thing about "Conceit"
2008-02-15 22:27 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: well the economy only consists of people, obviously
2008-02-15 22:28 < TheWeasel> Yes, but it's like a legal person, it has dynamics of its own.
2008-02-15 22:28 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: it only exists because people trade with each other
2008-02-15 22:28 < TheWeasel> Right.
2008-02-15 22:28 < TheWeasel> The problem is that some are more equal than others
2008-02-15 22:28 < TheWeasel> and the system presumes that everyone has the same chance
2008-02-15 22:28 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: and because of certain things inherent to human action, the trade follows certain patterns and laws
2008-02-15 22:29 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: explain
2008-02-15 22:29 < TheWeasel> And you expect everyone on earth to understand them and at all times act according to them, no matter where they stand when they start=
2008-02-15 22:29 < TheWeasel> ?
2008-02-15 22:29 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: they don't need to
2008-02-15 22:30 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: because these laws and patterns are inherent
2008-02-15 22:30 < TheWeasel> Well, the system presumes people don't need protection because the companies are also only made up of people and therefore presumably equal.
2008-02-15 22:30 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: not really, equality doesn't figure into it as a necessary part
2008-02-15 22:30 < TheWeasel> So it *is* making people objects of processes that they make no attempt steering to their benefit.
2008-02-15 22:31 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: How would be checks and balances work in a completely libertarian system - e.g. safe food, protection of the environment
2008-02-15 22:31 < arcimboldo_> be -> the
2008-02-15 22:31 < TheWeasel> So how are people going to cope if they've swallowed things containing lead or mercury or whatever
2008-02-15 22:31 < TheWeasel> heh, right
2008-02-15 22:32 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: food could be guaranteed by organizations that people trust based on reputation to give good inspections
2008-02-15 22:32 < TheWeasel> Answer: they'll have to wait for the long run.
2008-02-15 22:32 < TheWeasel> But companies don't need to get inspected.
2008-02-15 22:32 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: environmental protection would be a whole lot better if property rights were established in places where they aren't now
2008-02-15 22:32 < TheWeasel> and they can manipulate all they want without anyone finding out
2008-02-15 22:32 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: rivers, for instance
2008-02-15 22:33 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: not really, it takes too much resources to do any manipulation
2008-02-15 22:33 < TheWeasel> oh come on
2008-02-15 22:33 < TheWeasel> it takes money to provide quality food, whaddaya gonna do
2008-02-15 22:34 < TheWeasel> environmental protection on the basis of trust is in shambles.
2008-02-15 22:34 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: but environmental protection on the basis of strict property rights would work well, if actually put into place
2008-02-15 22:34 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: that approach was tried with the UK railway systems, until deadly accidents and continuous deterioration forced them to bring back more state control..
2008-02-15 22:34 < TheWeasel> I can't see that at all.
2008-02-15 22:35 < TheWeasel> Plus, you go and try to sue a big company.
2008-02-15 22:35 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: what exactly did they do
2008-02-15 22:35 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: if i remember uk railway privatization correctly, it wasn't exactly like they privatized and there was competition
2008-02-15 22:35 < arcimboldo_> Just sell it to the company bidding the best price ...
2008-02-15 22:36 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: they turned a public monopoly into a private one, not a whole lot better
2008-02-15 22:36 < TheWeasel> I can tell you what happened here in Germany with the electricity market, the companies split up the territory and established a monopoly in each zone, and that was not a government mandated result.
2008-02-15 22:36 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: private monopolies only really come around and become bad if there's state involvement somewhere down the line
2008-02-15 22:36 < TheWeasel> Wikiacc: There are all manners of private companies doing railroad service in the UK
2008-02-15 22:36 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: doesn't ownership of railway lines automatically constitute a "monopoly", whoever that owner is?
2008-02-15 22:37 < TheWeasel> they could sub-license those of course.
2008-02-15 22:37 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: no
2008-02-15 22:37 < arcimboldo_> unless you build parallel lines ...
2008-02-15 22:37 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: it's not a monopoly...
2008-02-15 22:37 < TheWeasel> Well, my electricity bill *is* bad.
2008-02-15 22:38 < TheWeasel> Free markets can't bring proper competition.
2008-02-15 22:38 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: but the government may not have mandated the result, but government was involved
2008-02-15 22:38 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: it depends on how one defines "proper competition"
2008-02-15 22:38 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: if it's based on economic "perfect competition" models, no, that's unreachable
2008-02-15 22:38 < TheWeasel> your definition of "proper" apparently differs from mine, yes.
2008-02-15 22:38 < TheWeasel> the EU has very sensible ways of getting close.
2008-02-15 22:39 < arcimboldo_> And giving ownership of sources of water, especially in arid countries, is more than dangerous.
2008-02-15 22:39 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: but what's the alternative?
2008-02-15 22:39 < TheWeasel> my home is my castle.
2008-02-15 22:39 < TheWeasel> :-D
2008-02-15 22:39 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: everyone has a right to it, so we get a tragedy of the commons?
2008-02-15 22:40 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: but "giving ownership" is definitely not right if it's the government granting it to some company that paid it a lot of money, or a crony of some sort'
2008-02-15 22:40 < TheWeasel> Companies owning part of a river do not necessarily need the water
2008-02-15 22:40 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: if it was homesteaded rightfully, I have no problem though
2008-02-15 22:41 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: Well, it needs a good control by a government or another authority to make it work ...
2008-02-15 22:41 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: well, of course it depends on the case
2008-02-15 22:41 < TheWeasel> what depends on the case?
2008-02-15 22:41 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: whether the river owner needs the water
2008-02-15 22:42 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: but 'good control' can easily turn into 'bad control'
2008-02-15 22:42 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: It is still better than leaving it completely to profit considerations.
2008-02-15 22:42 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: and since there's no incentive for an authority to be productive with the water in the way that a well-run company would...
2008-02-15 22:42 < TheWeasel> yea I mean, you have no stake in the water being clean either then, usually
2008-02-15 22:43 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: well it depends, but generally it's easier to sell a property if the water going through it is in good shape
2008-02-15 22:43 < TheWeasel> A government is tasked by its citizens to be productive with the water
2008-02-15 22:43 < Wikiacc> than if it isn't
2008-02-15 22:43 < TheWeasel> in the sense of keeping it up to its purpose
2008-02-15 22:43 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: governments aren't very responsive to citizens, though, that's a big part of the problem
2008-02-15 22:43 < TheWeasel> I don't see why governments are constantly seen as inherently worse than any other form of organization
2008-02-15 22:44 < TheWeasel> That's a very broad statement
2008-02-15 22:44 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: well governments are always inefficient, more so than the private sector
2008-02-15 22:44 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: think about the incentives
2008-02-15 22:44 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: government has guaranteed revenue through taxation
2008-02-15 22:44 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: I don't see private companies being more responsive to citizens than the government, unless it is commercially beneficial.
2008-02-15 22:45 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: but what's commercially beneficial is what consumers are expected to be demanding
2008-02-15 22:45 < TheWeasel> eh, I'm thinking of practical results, and by that standard, companies haven't done that much better
2008-02-15 22:45 < TheWeasel> they've simply exchanged the government's drawbacks for their own
2008-02-15 22:45 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: it depends on the company, sure, and some of them aren't very good
2008-02-15 22:45 < TheWeasel> I think internal controls are a sufficient incentive for governments to be efficient.
2008-02-15 22:46 < TheWeasel> Government however is roughly the same quality in most places
2008-02-15 22:46 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: but ultimately, in a bureaucracy, you can make lots and lots of bad decisions with few ill effects
2008-02-15 22:46 < TheWeasel> (unless you're overfederalized)
2008-02-15 22:46 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: whereas in a company, lots of bad decisions leads to bankruptcy
2008-02-15 22:46 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: Let's take a practical example: You've got a town in Bolivia with insufficient water supplies and a poor population. Now an investor wants to build a plant but needs all of the town's water, offering more money than the townspeople can afford to buy. How would your system solve that?
2008-02-15 22:46 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: well, who owns the water
2008-02-15 22:47 < arcimboldo_> - to buy
2008-02-15 22:47 < TheWeasel> a) bureaucracy in the sense Max Weber used it is nothing negative and b) you can, but you're not going to keep your job for long with well-working checks and balances
2008-02-15 22:47 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: Well, in your scenario, another private for-profit company.
2008-02-15 22:48 < TheWeasel> because government owes its legitimacy to its people, companies owe their legitimacy to nobody.
2008-02-15 22:48 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: well i couldn't predict exactly what would happen, obviously, it's the real world, too many variables involved
2008-02-15 22:48 < Messedrocker> companies owe their legitimacy to the government
2008-02-15 22:49 < Messedrocker> because companies run the government :)
2008-02-15 22:49 < TheWeasel> no
2008-02-15 22:49 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: but if the factory gets built, i'd imagine that there would be substitute sources of water that become cost-effective
2008-02-15 22:49 < TheWeasel> government owes its legitimacy to companies nowadays.
2008-02-15 22:49 < TheWeasel> at least in the US.
2008-02-15 22:49 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: In this case, it's only very few variables - the supply, two companies, two townspeople
2008-02-15 22:49 < TheWeasel> a de-facto legitimacy anyway
2008-02-15 22:49 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: what kind of substitute sources?
2008-02-15 22:50 < arcimboldo_> There aren't much substitute sources of water in the Sahara ...
2008-02-15 22:50 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: but suppose the owner of this water source is a townsperson, this person probably wouldn't be willing to sell in such a condition
2008-02-15 22:50 < TheWeasel> In libertarianism, new sources just spring from the ground like mushrooms in the rain.
2008-02-15 22:50 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: well, in some places there's fossil water
2008-02-15 22:50 < cimon> I am officially impressed: http://www.chickipedia.com/Image:503511773_8bfae42bdf_983.jpg
2008-02-15 22:50 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: well, no, that'd be denying scarcity, which would invalidate the market
2008-02-15 22:50 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: Why should it be a townsperson? The townspeople are too poor to be investors.
2008-02-15 22:51 < TheWeasel> Wikiacc: There's always deceit.
2008-02-15 22:51 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: well, libertarian-speaking, the townsperson might've been the first to homestead
2008-02-15 22:51 < TheWeasel> Abuse of a majority position for economic gains
2008-02-15 22:51 < Wikiacc> arcimboldo_: making him/her the rightful property owner
2008-02-15 22:52 < arcimboldo_> Wikiacc: I think your model it is just not in touch with the real world.
2008-02-15 22:52 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: explain
2008-02-15 22:52 < TheWeasel> there's no inherent safety for people in that, it always assumes everyone to have perfect knowledge and judgment
2008-02-15 22:52 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: no, those are neoclassicals that assume that
2008-02-15 22:52 < TheWeasel> And I believe it would work well if everyone has perfect knowledge and judgment.
2008-02-15 22:52 < TheWeasel> That is not the case.
2008-02-15 22:52 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: sure it isn't
2008-02-15 22:52 < TheWeasel> But there's no system in place here to deal with deceit.
2008-02-15 22:53 < arcimboldo_> TheWeasel: Not only that - it would also need a lot of sense of social responsibility instead of egoism.
2008-02-15 22:53 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: what sort of deceit, though
2008-02-15 22:53 < TheWeasel> well people not being told about the consequences of their actions
2008-02-15 22:53 < TheWeasel> (maliciously [mostly] or not [sometimes]
2008-02-15 22:53 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: what sort of actions, though, and who would do the telling
2008-02-15 22:53 < TheWeasel> when they sign a contract
2008-02-15 22:54 < TheWeasel> well a big investor and the townspeople
2008-02-15 22:54 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: it seems to be too much of a generalization to say that people are completely unaware of the consequences of their actions
2008-02-15 22:54 < TheWeasel> the contract has highly technical terminology and people don't understand the consequence of their giving away all property rights and title.
2008-02-15 22:54 < Wikiacc> a bit condescending
2008-02-15 22:55 < TheWeasel> They need protection if they are prone to being so.
2008-02-15 22:55 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: well, saying that people need to be protected against poor decisions isn't a good idea in general
2008-02-15 22:56 * TheWeasel is reminded of a trial before the ECHR about people who had publicly criticized McDonalds and were then hammered by a barrage of legal actions
2008-02-15 22:56 < TheWeasel> It is, if they are in some way unable to understand the potential poorness of their decision.
2008-02-15 22:56 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: well, that's what happens when you set up a government for good reasons and it doesn't turn out so nice
2008-02-15 22:57 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: but who's to understand it for them? isn't that sort of paternalistic?
2008-02-15 22:57 < TheWeasel> ...they got reimbursed there for the trial which filled over six hundred files and took an eternity, with them having next to no money
2008-02-15 22:57 < TheWeasel> They at least need protection of the law against abuse of economic superiority.
2008-02-15 22:57 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: no libertarian supports that at all
2008-02-15 22:58 < TheWeasel> they get squashed in court with their claim
2008-02-15 22:58 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: what sort of economic superiority though
2008-02-15 22:58 < TheWeasel> not because the big guy is right, but because he is big
2008-02-15 22:58 < TheWeasel> a state, while it's around, might as well do something useful
2008-02-15 22:58 < TheWeasel> and I consider that useful
2008-02-15 22:59 < Wikiacc> TheWeasel: "market power" doesn't have much effect in a dynamic economy because of technology, societal shifts, creative destruction, etc.
2008-02-15 22:59 < TheWeasel> it's not paternalistic, it gives people the option to get their rights
2008-02-15 22:59 < TheWeasel> those are highly abstract concepts that don't help people a iota.
2008-02-15 22:59 * Wikiacc very much enjoyed this discussion, but he must be going now
2008-02-15 23:00 < TheWeasel> they can't wait till society has moved on and the company is no longer big and scary
2008-02-15 23:00 < TheWeasel> night
2008-02-15 23:00 < TheWeasel> hah
2008-02-15 23:01 < TheWeasel> Well, seriously.
2008-02-15 23:02 * TheWeasel needs to do laundry but it's too early
2008-02-15 23:02 < TheWeasel> Oh, and sleep would be rad.
2008-02-15 23:02 < cimon> TheWeasel: ou and me both.
2008-02-15 23:03 < cimon> except that it is only less than two hours till the laundry room opens, so I could theoretically start collecting laundry in baskets, if I could be arsed.
2008-02-15 23:03 < arcimboldo_> So don't go to #politics, otherwise your sleep would be completely gone ...
2008-02-15 23:04 < cimon> funnily enough my head cold seems to be subsiding... maybe this was a 24 hour flu
2008-02-15 23:04 < TheWeasel> I don't fancy virtual buckshot in my arse.
2008-02-15 23:10 * Ceiling_Cat is so tired
2008-02-15 23:10 * brown_cat throws Ceiling_Cat some coffee
2008-02-15 23:10 < Ceiling_Cat> Mental note: TDing tournaments sucks
2008-02-15 23:11 < Rinn> Triple Doubling?
2008-02-15 23:11 < Ceiling_Cat> tournament directing
2008-02-15 23:11 < Ceiling_Cat> Princeton and Rutgers decided not to come, and Swarthmore and VCU dropped at the last minute
2008-02-15 23:12 < Ceiling_Cat> the tourney starts in < 12 hours and I don't have teh questions
2008-02-15 23:28 < Malber> hi
2008-02-15 23:29 < Malber> hello
2008-02-15 23:33 < Malber> well looks like one of my socks is about to be made admin
2008-02-15 23:39 < Leslie_S> i read that soo wrong at first
2008-02-15 23:39 < Leslie_S> i was like, socks as admins? wtf?
2008-02-15 23:39 < Leslie_S> and then..i remembered that other meaning
2008-02-15 23:39 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-02-15 23:40 < Malber> lolz
2008-02-15 23:40 < Rinn> No, Les, Malber means Administrator of Feet.
2008-02-15 23:41 < Malber> feet, de agony of
2008-02-15 23:41 < Malber> i has dem
2008-02-15 23:44 < yao_ziyuan> peace through strength, love through rape. hello everybody!
2008-02-15 23:44 < Random832> !op
2008-02-15 23:45 < cimon> lol @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneeze
2008-02-15 23:45 < Rinn> Hrm. Are there any recorded accounts of a person falling in love with someone who raped them?
2008-02-15 23:46 < Random832> Rinn: don't feed the troll
2008-02-15 23:46 < NedScott> zomg, editprotected backlog
2008-02-15 23:46 < Rinn> But I always do that!
2008-02-15 23:46 * NedScott wants to take cuts
2008-02-15 23:46 < Random832> NedScott: some of them have been there for weeks
2008-02-15 23:47 < cimon> Even Better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snatiation
2008-02-15 23:47 < NedScott> anyone want to update http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Episode_list and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Japanese_episode_list for me?
2008-02-15 23:47 < cimon> "The term "SNATIATION" was coined by Judith G. Hall. The term is a backronym created from a portmanteau of the words sneeze and satiation. It stands for Sneezing Non-controllably At a Time of Indulgence of the Appetite—a Trait Inherited and Ordained to be Named."
2008-02-15 23:49 * NedScott sees a big red button
2008-02-15 23:50 * NedScott looks around
2008-02-15 23:50 < NedScott> !admin
2008-02-15 23:50 < MrZ-man> yes...
2008-02-15 23:50 < MrZ-man> !?
2008-02-15 23:50 < JessicaTaylor> ¡¿
2008-02-15 23:50 < NedScott> !
2008-02-15 23:50 < tawker> NedScott:
2008-02-15 23:50 * tawker wonders what NedScott sees
2008-02-15 23:50 < NedScott> was wonderin' if I could get [[Template:Episode list]] and [[Template:Japanese episode list]] updated
2008-02-15 23:51 < tawker> with what... is it protected?
2008-02-15 23:51 < NedScott> yep
2008-02-15 23:51 < pengo> NedScott: whats wrong with it?
2008-02-15 23:52 < NedScott> nothing's -wrong- with it, but we decided to add DirectedBy and WrittenBy
2008-02-15 23:52 < tawker> NedScott: i'm unprotecting temp so you can edit
2008-02-15 23:52 < NedScott> awesome, thanks
2008-02-15 23:52 < pengo> NedScott: looks like that's there already? or is it just comments
2008-02-15 23:53 < pengo> cool go edit it yourself :) i'm having sweet corn
2008-02-15 23:53 < NedScott> zomg, database locked
2008-02-15 23:53 < tawker> ok
2008-02-15 23:53 < NedScott> ironic?
2008-02-15 23:53 < NedScott> I think so
2008-02-15 23:53 < tawker> NedScott: go ahead... gimme a poke when you're done
2008-02-15 23:53 < NedScott> cool, thanks
2008-02-15 23:55 < zvook> lol a lot of the time i can't bring myself to remove unencyclopedic stuff because it's just too charming
2008-02-15 23:56 < NedScott> awesome, I'm done
2008-02-15 23:56 < zvook> like this caption of a polish 2nd division team warming down after a match, it says at the end (Won 2-0)
2008-02-15 23:57 < tawker> NedScott: done, thanks
2008-02-15 23:57 < NedScott> :D
2008-02-15 23:58 < bobtheboob> who likes to eat poop
2008-02-15 23:59 < The359> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Columbia_debris_detected_by_radar.jpg interesting picture
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> poop burgers
2008-02-15 23:59 < The359> never seen that before
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> kentucky fried poop
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> poop salad
2008-02-15 23:59 < The359> !op bobtheboob
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> all kinds of poop recepies
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> i love poop
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> poop is the greatest thing ever
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> i love eating poop
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> poop
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> poop
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> poop
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> who wants to eat some of my poop
2008-02-15 23:59 < Rinn> You could make a script to do this.
2008-02-15 23:59 < Rinn> Though I guess it's more fun to ad-lib.
2008-02-15 23:59 < NedScott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Is_My_Master#ep05
2008-02-15 23:59 < NedScott> holy crap
2008-02-15 23:59 < NedScott> that's a long title
2008-02-15 23:59 < bobtheboob> hey someone want to eat poop
2008-02-16 00:00 < bobtheboob> i just pooped
2008-02-16 00:00 < bobtheboob> it is steaming in the toilet
2008-02-16 00:00 < NedScott> plus, it's written three times
2008-02-16 00:00 < Mike42> fun fun
2008-02-16 00:00 < bobtheboob> better claim it fast
2008-02-16 00:00 < bobtheboob> im hungry!
2008-02-16 00:01 < thomasthewankeng> We are sorry to announce that Bob the Boob has died from choking on his own feces
2008-02-16 00:01 < thomasthewankeng> BUT IT SURE WAS FUCKING TASTY!
2008-02-16 00:01 < Mike42> that should work :P
2008-02-16 00:03 < zvook> "He Is My Master (?????????, Kore ga Watashi no Goshujin-sama?) is a gag comedy manga" in the context of the title, the word gag is ambiguous there
2008-02-16 00:04 < NedScott> aye
2008-02-16 00:04 < Rinn> You can't really make that many jokes about gags.
2008-02-16 00:05 < zvook> jokes ARE gags
2008-02-16 00:05 < NedScott> like that British Englishman I met the other day
2008-02-16 00:06 < zvook> heh
2008-02-16 00:12 < zvook> i see we're now calling soccer [[Association football]], how quirky
2008-02-16 00:13 < zvook> like EB from the 40s or something
2008-02-16 00:13 * Messedrocker looks up the Wikipedia article on negroes
2008-02-16 00:14 < zvook> eheh
2008-02-16 00:14 < cimon> http://www.chickipedia.com/Image:Keeley2gq3_594.jpg
2008-02-16 00:14 < brown_cat> Kanye murdered by lingerie model O_o http://music.ninemsn.com.au/blog?blogentryid=63443&showcomments=true&rss=yes
2008-02-16 00:14 < cimon> amusing quote...
2008-02-16 00:15 < zvook> wtf brown_cat
2008-02-16 00:16 < zvook> you suck, brown_cat
2008-02-16 00:16 < brown_cat> zvook?
2008-02-16 00:17 < zvook> "kanye's new pop video" would be a better way of introducing your URL
2008-02-16 00:17 < brown_cat> zvook: mine got more attention :p
2008-02-16 00:17 < brown_cat> that's what I saw when I signed into msn on msn today
2008-02-16 00:17 < The359> I prefer the original
2008-02-16 00:17 < The359> Shame it isn't true
2008-02-16 00:17 < zvook> thinking like that is why you fucking suck
2008-02-16 00:17 * brown_cat hugs The359
2008-02-16 00:19 < The359> we need more murdered rappers again
2008-02-16 00:19 < The359> Get them fighting again
2008-02-16 00:20 < zvook> that's not very funny or nice.
2008-02-16 00:21 < g666rl> no?
2008-02-16 00:22 < g666rl> y not?
2008-02-16 00:22 * The359 lul'd
2008-02-16 00:23 < g666rl> so many pple so little talk!
2008-02-16 00:23 * Ceiling_Cat prefers to watch people when they think they are alone
2008-02-16 00:23 < The359> we like it that way
2008-02-16 00:23 * Ceiling_Cat watches The359
2008-02-16 00:24 < brown_cat> zvook: I agree with The359 100%, I hope they all die :p
2008-02-16 00:24 < g666rl> who?
2008-02-16 00:24 * The359 denies the Rapper Holocaust
2008-02-16 00:24 < zvook> baaasically because a lotta poor folk made something out of nothing and now you want them dead
2008-02-16 00:24 * brown_cat wishes there was a Rapper Holocaust
2008-02-16 00:25 < zvook> which isn't funny because leading rappers *have* actually died, unlike if you said the same about say, teenpop
2008-02-16 00:25 < brown_cat> zvook: they never made something out of nothing, they made bs out of nothing
2008-02-16 00:25 < g666rl> if the35 wants to kill all rappers, that sure xplains the little talk
2008-02-16 00:26 * brown_cat watches Ceiling_Cat
2008-02-16 00:26 * The359 thinks more need to actually die
2008-02-16 00:27 < g666rl> most ppl who hate rappers because they're rich, are just jealously mad that heavy metal groups are so poor, or
2008-02-16 00:27 < zvook> or racist
2008-02-16 00:27 < g666rl> yah
2008-02-16 00:27 < The359> Metallica ain't poor, fool
2008-02-16 00:27 < g666rl> didn
2008-02-16 00:27 < The359> Regardless of what Napster did to them
2008-02-16 00:27 < g666rl> but they're the only one, fool
2008-02-16 00:28 < brown_cat> g666rl: I am not jealous, I just think it is pathetic that you can make money and have no talent/ability
2008-02-16 00:28 < g666rl> youre not gonna boohoo about napster, now are you
2008-02-16 00:28 < g666rl> obviously, thats not their fault brown_cat
2008-02-16 00:28 < The359> wut?
2008-02-16 00:28 < brown_cat> g666rl: yes it is
2008-02-16 00:29 < g666rl> no it isn't and OBVIOUSly they have the talent to make money
2008-02-16 00:29 < g666rl> brown_cat: I call sour grapes
2008-02-16 00:29 < zvook> heheh
2008-02-16 00:30 < The359> talent?
2008-02-16 00:30 < zvook> actually most of the good ones starve, as per usual
2008-02-16 00:30 < brown_cat> g666rl: no, I just hate that genre
2008-02-16 00:30 < The359> What talent?
2008-02-16 00:30 < The359> It's not like most of them are actually, you know, making the music
2008-02-16 00:30 < g666rl> i'm sorry but how does rapping and getting money for is their fault
2008-02-16 00:30 * brown_cat agrees with The359
2008-02-16 00:30 < The359> All they're doing is coming up with lyrics
2008-02-16 00:30 < g666rl> even more smart, don't you think
2008-02-16 00:30 < The359> they get someone else with real talent to come up with the actual music
2008-02-16 00:31 < zvook> the someone else is usually kanye
2008-02-16 00:31 < zvook> btw.
2008-02-16 00:31 < g666rl> yah like anybody in art is orginal
2008-02-16 00:31 < brown_cat> g666rl: I have a problem with it because, you should make money in the music industry for making *music* not, being a douchebag with a bloated ego
2008-02-16 00:31 < The359> what in art isn't original?
2008-02-16 00:31 < g666rl> most art is rehashed, they do it so to make millions and all of a sudden thats their fault??
2008-02-16 00:32 < The359> even if it is "rehashed", they still created it themselves
2008-02-16 00:32 < g666rl> brown_cat: dude, and you also believe in advertising, don't cha???
2008-02-16 00:32 < The359> what's not to believe in advertising?
2008-02-16 00:32 < g666rl> bloated ego's, don't believe in all that crap
2008-02-16 00:32 < zvook> The359, i see you're not one of those bores who limit themselves to talking about areas they know something about :)
2008-02-16 00:32 < g666rl> zvook: LOL!!!!!!
2008-02-16 00:32 < brown_cat> g666rl: what type of advertising?
2008-02-16 00:33 < The359> what do I not know about, exactly?
2008-02-16 00:33 < g666rl> dude, forget it, I'm glad you're mad about it
2008-02-16 00:33 < brown_cat> I'm not xD
2008-02-16 00:33 * The359 doesn't see anyone mad
2008-02-16 00:33 < g666rl> yes you are
2008-02-16 00:33 < zvook> the359, rap music.
2008-02-16 00:33 < brown_cat> I'm singing along to *real* music
2008-02-16 00:33 < g666rl> <brown_cat> g666rl: I have a problem with it because, you should make money in the music industry for making *music* not, being a douchebag with a bloated ego
2008-02-16 00:33 < brown_cat> does that mean I'm angry?
2008-02-16 00:34 < The359> where's the mad part?
2008-02-16 00:34 < The359> he said he has a problem with it
2008-02-16 00:34 < The359> problem != mad
2008-02-16 00:34 < The359> last I checked
2008-02-16 00:34 * brown_cat suggests g666rl goes back to school
2008-02-16 00:34 < g666rl> just because you can not: 1 get rich like they can and 2. use your throat and mouth to speak as fast as that,
2008-02-16 00:34 < The359> fast?
2008-02-16 00:35 < The359> wtf?
2008-02-16 00:35 < The359> since when is rapping about talking fast?
2008-02-16 00:35 < brown_cat> The359: I wish I had the ability to speed something up with acid/audacity!!! xD
2008-02-16 00:35 < The359> and how many rappers are still rich after no one cares about them anymore?
2008-02-16 00:36 < Ceiling_Cat> grrrr
2008-02-16 00:36 < g666rl> brown_cat: dude if you gonna use words like bloated ego this surely means you;re mad and jealous to boot
2008-02-16 00:36 * Ceiling_Cat needs to memorize some [[Functional group]]s
2008-02-16 00:36 < The359> they do have bloated egos
2008-02-16 00:36 < The359> it's the name of the game in rap
2008-02-16 00:36 * brown_cat wonders how g666rl knows his social status
2008-02-16 00:36 < The359> boasting and making yourself greater than you are
2008-02-16 00:36 < zvook> Ceiling_Cat, what kind of tournement were you refering to?
2008-02-16 00:36 < g666rl> brown_cat: rapping is an art, a skill, you can't do it
2008-02-16 00:36 < brown_cat> hhahahahahahahahah
2008-02-16 00:36 < Ceiling_Cat> zvook - [[quiz bowl]]
2008-02-16 00:37 < zvook> ooh.
2008-02-16 00:37 < Ceiling_Cat> (PS - the picture in that article is of me moderating)
2008-02-16 00:37 < g666rl> i do simple statistics
2008-02-16 00:37 < Ceiling_Cat> maryland A versus maryland B
2008-02-16 00:37 < brown_cat> g666rl: shit on a canvas is also art
2008-02-16 00:37 < brown_cat> except, it stinks
2008-02-16 00:37 < g666rl> the chances that you are a millionaire chatting here are slim
2008-02-16 00:38 < g666rl> brown_cat: depends how the shit got there, and don
2008-02-16 00:38 < g666rl> 't change the subject
2008-02-16 00:38 < The359> most really good, non-pop artists aren't millionaires
2008-02-16 00:38 < brown_cat> g666rl: I know *i'm* not a millionaire but, for someone my age Im pretty well off
2008-02-16 00:38 < zvook> heheh so it is
2008-02-16 00:38 < Random832> Ceiling_Cat: "testing recall about strange happenings"? seriously?
2008-02-16 00:39 < g666rl> you are mad and jealous at rappers because they make more than you do, which is funny to me, since you protest too much about not being mad for one thing
2008-02-16 00:39 * The359 is reminded of his TDR posters
2008-02-16 00:39 < The359> All Shit Is Art!
2008-02-16 00:39 < The359> and
2008-02-16 00:39 < The359> All Art Is Shit!
2008-02-16 00:39 < brown_cat> g666rl: I am not jealous, I can tell you that now, I would rather be dead
2008-02-16 00:39 < The359> g666rl, I'm pretty sure you just came into the room
2008-02-16 00:39 < The359> So knowing anything about brown_cat is pretty slim
2008-02-16 00:40 < g666rl> and you're totally sucked in by the hype and myths, about rappers. like most groups, 99 percent of them are dirt poor
2008-02-16 00:40 < The359> weren't you the one just claiming how many rappers were rich
2008-02-16 00:40 < The359> compared to heavy metal bands?
2008-02-16 00:40 < g666rl> you CAN say that now, on average, it SEEMS that as a group rappers are far richer than metal heads
2008-02-16 00:41 < brown_cat> pfffft
2008-02-16 00:41 < g666rl> like Iyon made in
2008-02-16 00:41 < The359> People CAN do a lot of things
2008-02-16 00:41 < The359> like RANDOM capitalizATION
2008-02-16 00:41 < brown_cat> wow
2008-02-16 00:41 < brown_cat> you are talented
2008-02-16 00:41 < g666rl> thank you, i know i am
2008-02-16 00:42 < brown_cat> roflmao
2008-02-16 00:42 < g666rl> don't flatter me, it;ll go to my head
2008-02-16 00:42 < g666rl> ;)
2008-02-16 00:42 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-16 00:42 < The359> <g666rl> like Iyon made in wtf?
2008-02-16 00:42 < g666rl> why would you wanne be dead?
2008-02-16 00:42 < brown_cat> g666rl is like a comic, my god, I haven't laughed that much in years
2008-02-16 00:43 < brown_cat> g666rl: because, I would rather be dead and not known well then, reasonably rich and full of shit
2008-02-16 00:43 < g666rl> yes you make me feel good too, being so jealous of rappers
2008-02-16 00:43 < zvook> can we all stop being so lame, please? maybe talk about wikipedia or something
2008-02-16 00:43 < brown_cat> g666rl: why would I be jealous of rappers?
2008-02-16 00:43 < The359> I'm pretty sure no one here has discussed rapper's propserity
2008-02-16 00:43 < g666rl> why does becoming famous make you full of shit, is that given
2008-02-16 00:43 < brown_cat> list all the fantastic things about them
2008-02-16 00:43 < The359> Rather we've discussed their "talents"
2008-02-16 00:43 < brown_cat> hahaha
2008-02-16 00:43 < The359> So how you came to the "confirmed conclusion" of jealousy
2008-02-16 00:43 < The359> is beyond me
2008-02-16 00:44 < g666rl> dude, saying what you said clearly points to you being mad and jealous of rappers
2008-02-16 00:44 < The359> clearly?
2008-02-16 00:44 < brown_cat> g666rl: waiting for that long list of things that make rappers great
2008-02-16 00:44 < The359> I don't like most vegetables
2008-02-16 00:44 < The359> I must be jealous
2008-02-16 00:44 < brown_cat> hahahahhahahaa
2008-02-16 00:45 < The359> and MAD
2008-02-16 00:45 < g666rl> they have a lot of money which they seem to get for nothing, unlike all those heavy metallers that have to struggle years and years in heavy metal school, then heavy metal college, then heavy metal universtiy
2008-02-16 00:45 < The359> a lot of people have a lot of money
2008-02-16 00:45 < The359> and no one has discussed hating them
2008-02-16 00:45 < brown_cat> g666rl: yes, I agree - working for money is a terrible thing
2008-02-16 00:45 < The359> and where the fuck is there a heavy metal school?
2008-02-16 00:45 < zvook> seriously, this conversation isn't very productive, and this isn't really a social channel.
2008-02-16 00:45 < brown_cat> hahaha
2008-02-16 00:46 < g666rl> listen if you don't like the music, fine, if you have no taste then thats that
2008-02-16 00:46 * The359 blames zvook for starting it
2008-02-16 00:46 < brown_cat> zvook: I agree, it as a channel of silence
2008-02-16 00:46 < zvook> brown_cat, nothing wrong with that, less to scroll through looking for substance
2008-02-16 00:46 < g666rl> but to say they have bloated egos, based on nothing and not take into account the equally bloated egos of metallica
2008-02-16 00:46 < brown_cat> zvook: how can you find substance in a convo about rap?
2008-02-16 00:46 < g666rl> ...
2008-02-16 00:46 < g666rl> bad
2008-02-16 00:47 < The359> who gives a shit about Metallica?
2008-02-16 00:47 < The359> No one here said we liked or hated them
2008-02-16 00:47 < zvook> brown_cat, you misunderstand me.
2008-02-16 00:48 < brown_cat> I actually agree with g666rl - rappers do not have bloated egos and are the essence of modesty, good music and upstanding members of our society
2008-02-16 00:48 < brown_cat> roflmfao
2008-02-16 00:48 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-16 00:48 < g666rl> brown_cat is one those who think rap is only about girls and booze and guns, because that fits in with your prejudiced view of black people?
2008-02-16 00:48 < The359> erm...
2008-02-16 00:48 < The359> who the fuck brought up the race card?
2008-02-16 00:49 < zvook> i did, some time ago.
2008-02-16 00:49 < g666rl> like Public Enemy rapped about girls and bling bling
2008-02-16 00:49 < The359> so g666rl, you now think we're jealous, mad, and racist?
2008-02-16 00:50 < g666rl> brown_cat: you have a very one dimensional view of rappers, like other musicians DON'T have bloated egos,
2008-02-16 00:50 < zvook> this guy wouldn't know public enemy if chuck d took him to a nation of islam rally
2008-02-16 00:50 < The359> you mean g666rl?
2008-02-16 00:50 < g666rl> dude, they make more money than you doing less, get over it :)
2008-02-16 00:50 < The359> we don't care how much money they make, g666rl
2008-02-16 00:50 < g666rl> zvook: i guess your right about that
2008-02-16 00:50 < The359> we care that their "talent" is shit
2008-02-16 00:51 < The359> You sound like someone who believed their mother when she said "They're just picking on you because they're jealous of you"
2008-02-16 00:52 < g666rl> zvook: he's still mad that a couple of years ago the entire top ten of Billboard was rap music
2008-02-16 00:52 * The359 is fairly certain that never happened
2008-02-16 00:52 < g666rl> brown_cat: if you think it's ridiculous that rappers make so much money, blame it on your friends, the middle class white suburbanites
2008-02-16 00:54 * Mike_H also blames brown_cat for that other Minogue sister.
2008-02-16 00:54 < g666rl> LOL
2008-02-16 00:54 * The359 agrees with Mike_H
2008-02-16 00:54 < The359> it was clearly racially motivated
2008-02-16 00:55 * brown_cat comes back with food
2008-02-16 00:55 < zvook> how's the weather, Mike_H?
2008-02-16 00:55 < g666rl> i mean, it's not the bulk of their money comes from the black pop.
2008-02-16 00:55 < brown_cat> g666rl: Why would I blame my friends for rappers (or at least some) making money?
2008-02-16 00:55 < g666rl> because your palls make em rich
2008-02-16 00:56 < g666rl> who do you think buys all that music
2008-02-16 00:56 < brown_cat> nope
2008-02-16 00:56 < The359> well, endorsement deals and such help as well
2008-02-16 00:56 < g666rl> whatever
2008-02-16 00:56 < The359> But as stated
2008-02-16 00:56 < The359> Most don't stay rich
2008-02-16 00:56 < The359> because they spend it all poorly and everyone quickly forgets them
2008-02-16 00:56 < g666rl> does mike live near tornadoland?
2008-02-16 00:56 < brown_cat> not my friends - 99.9% of them download illegally xD and, not, they hate rap (well, all that I have spoken to about music)
2008-02-16 00:56 < g666rl> or near the north pole?
2008-02-16 00:57 < zvook> FL
2008-02-16 00:57 < g666rl> is the weather bad outhere?
2008-02-16 00:57 < brown_cat> no
2008-02-16 00:57 < brown_cat> it is sunny with rainbows
2008-02-16 00:58 < g666rl> didn't ask you
2008-02-16 00:58 < brown_cat> you didn't specify
2008-02-16 00:58 < JessicaTaylor> :o its brown cat
2008-02-16 00:58 * brown_cat cuddles JessicaTaylor
2008-02-16 00:58 < g666rl> meaning?
2008-02-16 00:58 < brown_cat> [14:56] <g666rl> does mike live near tornadoland? <--- that was not aimed at Mike_H and no one specific
2008-02-16 00:59 < brown_cat> g666rl: a form of affection - something you are not getting
2008-02-16 00:59 < g666rl> goddam the startrek film is delayed TOO
2008-02-16 01:00 < brown_cat> what a pity
2008-02-16 01:00 < brown_cat> that means you have more time to try and get a gf before you scare them all off!
2008-02-16 01:00 < Mike_H> zvook: Oh
2008-02-16 01:00 < Mike_H> it was cold the last two nights
2008-02-16 01:00 < Mike_H> it's okay tonight
2008-02-16 01:02 < g666rl> does anyone know anyway to view the oscar awards online?
2008-02-16 01:02 < Rinn> Youtube?
2008-02-16 01:02 < brown_cat> Deal with the devil?
2008-02-16 01:02 * brown_cat cuddles Rinn
2008-02-16 01:02 < g666rl> eeh i mean live online
2008-02-16 01:02 < Rinn> Same thing.
2008-02-16 01:02 < Rinn> Very well-hidden cameras and an active transmitter.
2008-02-16 01:03 < g666rl> not really
2008-02-16 01:03 < brown_cat> yes it is
2008-02-16 01:03 < g666rl> ok im guessing u don't know then
2008-02-16 01:03 < Rinn> Mental link to someone else's eyes?
2008-02-16 01:03 < brown_cat> haahhaa
2008-02-16 01:03 < g666rl> ah yes
2008-02-16 01:03 < Rinn> Spy sunglasses!
2008-02-16 01:04 < g666rl> don't make stand up comedy your day job?
2008-02-16 01:04 < g666rl> just a thought
2008-02-16 01:04 * brown_cat throws crap at g666rl
2008-02-16 01:05 < Rinn> You could set up a trail of mirrors from the window of the building to your house.
2008-02-16 01:05 < brown_cat> hahahahahahahahaah
2008-02-16 01:05 * brown_cat stares at Rinn
2008-02-16 01:05 < g666rl> OMG steve fosset is dead!
2008-02-16 01:05 * Rinn is decapitated
2008-02-16 01:05 < brown_cat> O_o
2008-02-16 01:05 < brown_cat> NOOO
2008-02-16 01:05 * brown_cat gives Rinn another life
2008-02-16 01:05 * brown_cat cuddles Rinn
2008-02-16 01:05 < brown_cat> g666rl: good :)
2008-02-16 01:05 * g666rl decapitated Rinn
2008-02-16 01:06 < g666rl> what is the best subtitle site?
2008-02-16 01:07 < NedScott> the best what?
2008-02-16 01:07 < Rinn> I've always wanted spy sunglasses.
2008-02-16 01:07 < g666rl> subtitle site?
2008-02-16 01:07 < The359> In Super Smash Bros.
2008-02-16 01:07 < The359> On the Smash Event match, a level 25 named "Super Mario 128"; in this event, you have a fight with 128 tiny Marios, clear homage to this Wikipedia article.
2008-02-16 01:07 < NedScott> like.. movies?
2008-02-16 01:07 < The359> O RLY?
2008-02-16 01:07 < g666rl> Rinn: whatfor, yor decapitated
2008-02-16 01:07 < g666rl> NedScott: yes
2008-02-16 01:08 < NedScott> so the website would be about subtitles and the subtitle industry?
2008-02-16 01:08 * brown_cat recapitates Rinn :)
2008-02-16 01:08 < Rinn> The359: Which Wikipedia article?
2008-02-16 01:09 < g666rl> eeh can u clarify?
2008-02-16 01:09 < Rinn> Oh.
2008-02-16 01:09 < NedScott> or are you looking to download foreign films
2008-02-16 01:09 < The359> [[Super Mario 128]]
2008-02-16 01:09 < Xihix> Whats up with that lame game on the front page?
2008-02-16 01:10 < g666rl> Xihix: where?
2008-02-16 01:10 < The359> it's a FA?
2008-02-16 01:10 < The359> No different than lame Simpsons episodes
2008-02-16 01:10 < Xihix> Oh man, that was very original.
2008-02-16 01:10 < g666rl> subtitle search engine
2008-02-16 01:10 < Xihix> Very classy
2008-02-16 01:10 < Rinn> Let's see, that article was created in 2005, and Melee was released in 2001/2002.
2008-02-16 01:10 < The359> I knew the statement was wrong without even checking that, Rinn ;)
2008-02-16 01:10 < Rinn> Sakurai is a time traveller!
2008-02-16 01:11 < The359> I think Nintendo named it after the actual unreleased game
2008-02-16 01:11 < Xihix> g666rl, it's on Wikipedia-en front page
2008-02-16 01:12 < g666rl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page? i dont see any game
2008-02-16 01:12 < Rinn> Was wikipedia even around in 2001?
2008-02-16 01:12 < Rinn> Ah. Guess so.
2008-02-16 01:12 < Enterprise_Cat> Rinn: Wikipedia was founded in 2001
2008-02-16 01:12 < Enterprise_Cat> What is Wikipedia day again? I remember we celebrated on IRC
2008-02-16 01:13 < Rinn> January 15th?
2008-02-16 01:13 < g666rl> MLK day?
2008-02-16 01:13 < Enterprise_Cat> g666rl: Wikipedia day
2008-02-16 01:13 < Enterprise_Cat> Rinn: Might have been
2008-02-16 01:14 < g666rl> Enterprise_Cat: jan 15 IS mlk day
2008-02-16 01:14 < Rinn> [[WP:Wikipedia Day]]
2008-02-16 01:14 < Enterprise_Cat> oh
2008-02-16 01:14 < NedScott> why must internet explorer make our lives harder
2008-02-16 01:14 < NedScott> so much stuff doesn't work on it
2008-02-16 01:14 < g666rl> NedScott: because they want u to use firefox
2008-02-16 01:14 < Luna-San> Somebody really wanted an inside joke, like "You're an *explorer* now, you can deal with it" maybe?
2008-02-16 01:14 < g666rl> or opera
2008-02-16 01:15 < NedScott> or Safari, all three of which tend to do far better than IE
2008-02-16 01:15 < g666rl> Luna-San: or its some geekboy thing, like "joystick"
2008-02-16 01:15 < NedScott> I don't get it
2008-02-16 01:15 < NedScott> ooh wait, now I get it
2008-02-16 01:16 < g666rl> NedScott: "joystick" is geekspeak for prick
2008-02-16 01:16 < Rinn> I was never informed of this.
2008-02-16 01:16 < Luna-San> I seeeeee. .o.
2008-02-16 01:16 < Luna-San> Err. o.o
2008-02-16 01:16 < g666rl> so geeks could say to girls: hey you wanna use my joystick when playing games
2008-02-16 01:17 < NedScott> this would explain why girls would always grab my penis when playing video games
2008-02-16 01:17 < g666rl> and then they and there geek friends would know that they meant dicks
2008-02-16 01:17 < NedScott> I thought they were just being rude
2008-02-16 01:17 < g666rl> no they wanted to micro manage the maze in pacman
2008-02-16 01:18 < g666rl> they used your dick for finetuning?
2008-02-16 01:18 < NedScott> what about EM interference?
2008-02-16 01:18 < g666rl> Rinn: you were never informed coz yer a girl, duh