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2008-02-14 16:59 < JohnReaves> missingno000:File ->Recent servers -> New server window
2008-02-14 16:59 < missingno000> hello...?
2008-02-14 16:59 < missingno000> How do I switch from one registered nick to another if the / nick command does not work?
2008-02-14 16:59 < JohnReaves> First off, that's the fourth time you've asked
2008-02-14 17:00 < JohnReaves> secondly, do you get any type of error message?
2008-02-14 17:00 < Scarian> apple: What's an IED?
2008-02-14 17:00 < zero1328> Improvised Explosive Device?
2008-02-14 17:00 < OverlordQ> improvised yea
2008-02-14 17:00 < missingno000> no
2008-02-14 17:00 < missingno000> nothing
2008-02-14 17:00 < Scarian> Yeah just remembered.
2008-02-14 17:01 < zero1328> Instantaneous electrical detonator
2008-02-14 17:01 < zero1328> Intelligent electronic device!
2008-02-14 17:01 < Scarian> I don't know why anyone would want to look at those videos...
2008-02-14 17:01 < Scarian> Not nice.
2008-02-14 17:01 < missingno000> Improvised Explosive Device.
2008-02-14 17:02 < OverlordQ> apple: and no, I wouldn't call that fake
2008-02-14 17:02 < apple> submitted to darwin awards :D
2008-02-14 17:02 < apple> that's just too good
2008-02-14 17:03 < Leslie_S> Intra-ear device
2008-02-14 17:03 < Scarian> o.O
2008-02-14 17:03 < Leslie_S> the latest in bearth control!
2008-02-14 17:03 < Leslie_S> bearth control!
2008-02-14 17:03 < Scarian> apple: How old are you?
2008-02-14 17:03 < missingno000> brb
2008-02-14 17:05 < NotACow> bear control
2008-02-14 17:05 < Golbez> Hello my neighbors!
2008-02-14 17:05 < Golbez> 18 people shot at Northern Illinois Univ in Dekalb, IL
2008-02-14 17:06 < Demi> long time no see, golbez, try visiting the channel sometime when there *isn't* a school shooting
2008-02-14 17:06 < Scarian> Golbez: Link?>
2008-02-14 17:06 < Golbez> demi :P
2008-02-14 17:06 < Golbez> Scarian- CNN TV
2008-02-14 17:06 < Golbez> no fatalities yet reported
2008-02-14 17:07 < Monobi> Demi, that happens semi-monthly :s
2008-02-14 17:07 < zero1328> I was thinking every other day
2008-02-14 17:08 < CJMiller> I is back.
2008-02-14 17:08 < apple> Scarian: why does it matter?
2008-02-14 17:12 < Demi> does anyone know about that drink cover product that you use to prevent date rape drugs from being slipped into your drink?
2008-02-14 17:13 < CJMiller> uhhh... the bottlecap?
2008-02-14 17:14 < JohnReaves> Demi, why use that? I say live a little
2008-02-14 17:14 < Demi> i think it's like a sticky plastic cover you put on a glass
2008-02-14 17:14 * White_Cat radiates more alpha particles
2008-02-14 17:15 < Demi> JohnReaves - i have to link it in a comic fashion in an online discussion forum, duh
2008-02-14 17:15 * White_Cat dumps it all on Demi
2008-02-14 17:15 < Demi> i mean, why else do you ever search for things?
2008-02-14 17:15 < White_Cat> Demi-alpha
2008-02-14 17:16 < JohnReaves> ah
2008-02-14 17:16 < Demi> dammit, i need a permanent index of rape prevention weirdness
2008-02-14 17:16 < Demi> like that female rape prevention condom with the spikes on the inside
2008-02-14 17:16 < Golbez> nuts
2008-02-14 17:16 < Golbez> hillary won NM
2008-02-14 17:17 < Scarian> apple: I was just wondering, friend :)
2008-02-14 17:17 < Scarian> Golberz: Just saw the shooting on BBC news.
2008-02-14 17:17 < NotASpy> Golbez: has that just happened or is it old news I've just wandered across ?
2008-02-14 17:18 < Golbez> NotACow- Just happened. The caucus was weeks ago, but the count was so close they took til now to finish
2008-02-14 17:18 < OverlordQ> dont think anybody answer this earlier, but is there any way to get a count of articles in a category?
2008-02-14 17:18 < Demi> Golbez - what's nuts about it? i wouldn't have thought you'd have much interest.
2008-02-14 17:19 < Golbez> Demi- I've had an Obama epiphany in recent weeks
2008-02-14 17:19 < AzaTht> <NewsWire> Reuters: At least 18 shot at Illinois university: report - http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/reuters/topNews/~3/235199094/idUSN1448844420080214
2008-02-14 17:19 < Golbez> at the very least i don't want clinton to win. =p
2008-02-14 17:20 < Not_the_NSA> AzaTht: umm...is this today?
2008-02-14 17:20 < Golbez> yes
2008-02-14 17:20 * Not_the_NSA sighs at the rapidly increasing amount of school shootings
2008-02-14 17:20 < AzaTht> Not_the_NSA: yes
2008-02-14 17:20 < Golbez> breaking as we speak
2008-02-14 17:20 < Golbez> no they aren't
2008-02-14 17:20 < Demi> Golbez - hm, the lesser of three antitheses or something?
2008-02-14 17:20 < AzaTht> Not_the_NSA: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:13pm EST
2008-02-14 17:20 * Not_the_NSA shouts GUN CONTROL BUSH IS AN IDIOT
2008-02-14 17:20 < Golbez> or rather, it's not like there's anything linking them
2008-02-14 17:20 < Scarian> Any admins aboot?
2008-02-14 17:21 < Golbez> Demi- no, I actually like the guy, he could be our Gerald Ford figure, bringing us back together and healing our rift with the world or something
2008-02-14 17:21 < Golbez> also, www.libertariansforobama.org. =p
2008-02-14 17:21 < JohnReaves> Scarian:What do you need?
2008-02-14 17:21 < Demi> Golbez - that's funny
2008-02-14 17:21 < Demi> like the log cabin republicans or jews for jesus
2008-02-14 17:21 < Golbez> except it makes a good point
2008-02-14 17:21 < Scarian> JohnReaves: I have two poss. sock puppets working to keep an article from being speedied
2008-02-14 17:21 < Scarian> I'll PM
2008-02-14 17:22 < Demi> well, i suppose if you're a libertarian and deciding to engage it's always "who is least antithetical to my views"
2008-02-14 17:22 < CJMiller> WATER UNDER CONSTRUCTION
2008-02-14 17:22 < CJMiller> #join ##c++
2008-02-14 17:23 < Demi> tbh i wouldn't have thought obama over clinton, though; is it the health plan thing? subsidized multi-payer vs. single-payer?
2008-02-14 17:23 * bumm13  
2008-02-14 17:23 < Golbez> his work to preserve civil rights
2008-02-14 17:23 < apple> bumm13: export PYTHONPATH=${HOME}/lib/python
2008-02-14 17:23 < apple> export PATH=${HOME}/bin:$PATH
2008-02-14 17:23 < apple> whoops
2008-02-14 17:23 < apple> wrong link
2008-02-14 17:23 < bumm13> heh
2008-02-14 17:23 < Demi> what? renewing the PATRIOT act?
2008-02-14 17:25 < apple> http://www.liveleak.com/player2.swf?token=18f_1201000704
2008-02-14 17:25 < apple> bumm13: ^^
2008-02-14 17:25 < AzaTht> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Shooting_reported_on_campus_at_Northern_Illinois_University
2008-02-14 17:28 < NotASpy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Illinois_University_shooting
2008-02-14 17:30 < Demi> Golbez - to be honest i haven't been paying much attention to the hillary/obama thing, because by the time we have our primary, we'll have a foregone conclusion, and i basically am just not voting republican
2008-02-14 17:30 < Scarian> Do breaking news articles like that get protected straight away?
2008-02-14 17:30 < Golbez> Demi- I caucused Paul in Iowa. =p
2008-02-14 17:30 < Golbez> Scarian- not usually. semi maybe.
2008-02-14 17:30 < CJMiller> How do I do bold in mIRC?
2008-02-14 17:31 < Golbez> ctrl-b
2008-02-14 17:31 < bumm13> apple: dude!
2008-02-14 17:31 < CJMiller> aa thx
2008-02-14 17:35 < Demi> CJMiller - lots and lots of people won't see that as bold, and if your client actually sends control codes it will also irritate people
2008-02-14 17:35 < CJMiller> ok
2008-02-14 17:35 < CJMiller> will stop
2008-02-14 17:36 < AzaTht> "Second, I think it's sick to race to put up in article in Wikipedia before the bodies are even cold during these kinds of tragedies."
2008-02-14 17:37 < Golbez> it doesn't matter
2008-02-14 17:37 < Golbez> we have mode +c
2008-02-14 17:37 < Golbez> which i think strips out all bold and color codes, doesn't it?
2008-02-14 17:37 < zero1328> it's either block or strip
2008-02-14 17:38 < zero1328> if it blocks, strip is +S
2008-02-14 17:38 < zero1328> depends on the IRC server
2008-02-14 17:38 < AzaTht> NotASpy: the Victom section should be past tense
2008-02-14 17:38 < Demi> some clients might send html formatting <i>like this</i>
2008-02-14 17:38 < Demi> i've seen it happen
2008-02-14 17:39 < NotASpy> AzaTht: that wasn't there when I linked over to Wikinews.
2008-02-14 17:39 < AzaTht> ok
2008-02-14 17:39 < Demi> mirc sends (or can send) some kind of wacky escapes, though, like non-ANSI ones
2008-02-14 17:39 < Demi> i've seen that too, a lot of tildes
2008-02-14 17:40 < zero1328> Hm, I vaguely recall something about en.wikipedia being too US centric... I'd say putting the shooting on the Main Page would be indicative of that fact, but.. I don't think school shootings really occur often anywhere else....
2008-02-14 17:40 < bumm13> Finland had one not too long ago
2008-02-14 17:40 < zero1328> keyword is oftem
2008-02-14 17:40 < zero1328> often*
2008-02-14 17:41 < Demi> well, in the u.s. we never have prime ministers and those are on ITN all the damn time
2008-02-14 17:44 < AzaTht> NotASpy: I added cnn to the feeds
2008-02-14 17:44 < AzaTht> had missed that one :(
2008-02-14 17:44 < zero1328> Of course, the fact that school shootings would be ranked as "significant breaking news from the US" kinda seems a little grim in my mind
2008-02-14 17:44 < AzaTht> so AP was the first notice I got
2008-02-14 17:46 < CJMiller> bye
2008-02-14 17:46 < Scarian> Muhammed question...
2008-02-14 17:46 < Scarian> Are we still leaving in the pics of him ja?
2008-02-14 17:46 < AzaTht> zero1328: it's better that it's breaking news, that just the usual
2008-02-14 17:47 < Mike_H> <NewsWire> ITN: 'Romney to back McCain' - http://www.itn.co.uk/news/d212b3adb67d24154fc48c96bb1c0052.html
2008-02-14 17:47 < AzaTht> ja?
2008-02-14 17:47 < Mike_H> That should be the only ITN :<
2008-02-14 17:47 < Demi> is romney the gay one?
2008-02-14 17:47 < Mike_H> Romney's the Mormon one.
2008-02-14 17:47 < Scarian> AzaTht: Okay, good... just reverted a guy who tried removing one.
2008-02-14 17:47 < AzaTht> Scarian: they should exists
2008-02-14 17:48 < Scarian> I'm not saying whether they should or not...
2008-02-14 17:48 < Scarian> I was just asking what the current policy was/is :)
2008-02-14 17:48 < AzaTht> yea
2008-02-14 17:48 < AzaTht> they should be kept, as they are encyclopedic
2008-02-14 17:48 < zero1328> As far as I know we're still steadfast on leaving them in
2008-02-14 17:48 < AzaTht> we do not censor
2008-02-14 17:48 < Scarian> Okay, good.
2008-02-14 17:48 < Scarian> Thanks guys.
2008-02-14 17:49 < AzaTht> anyone here at that university?
2008-02-14 17:49 < zero1328> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer
2008-02-14 17:49 < geniice> AzaTht Might be a usercat
2008-02-14 17:50 < zero1328> oh wait, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_disclaimer
2008-02-14 17:51 < ramo68> s.a
2008-02-14 17:51 < ramo68> hi
2008-02-14 17:51 * Scarian is having a bad day.
2008-02-14 17:51 < OverlordQ> hhe, nice of somebody to copy the image straight from CNN
2008-02-14 17:51 < zero1328> I just woke up, but every day seems to be a bad day for me
2008-02-14 17:51 < Demi> i don't know if these school shooting articles are notable. i think we should apply the average professor test. did they kill one? (hm, too soon... too soon)
2008-02-14 17:51 < AzaTht> OverlordQ: yea
2008-02-14 17:51 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/User:Z4ns4tsu/Userboxes/NCAA-Northern_Illinois_University
2008-02-14 17:51 < TheLetterE> zero1328: Good morning
2008-02-14 17:52 < AzaTht> geniice: only one
2008-02-14 17:52 < geniice> 2
2008-02-14 17:52 < zero1328> g'morning, TheLetterE
2008-02-14 17:52 < geniice> 4
2008-02-14 17:52 < geniice> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_by_alma_mater:_Northern_Illinois_University
2008-02-14 17:52 < AzaTht> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Northern_Illinois_University_alumni
2008-02-14 17:52 < AzaTht> 9
2008-02-14 17:53 * Mike_H NP: Kenny Rogers - You Decorated My Life (1979)
2008-02-14 17:53 < geniice> that is articles not wikipedians
2008-02-14 17:53 < AzaTht> oh
2008-02-14 17:53 < AzaTht> whoops
2008-02-14 17:53 * AzaTht hides in the deepest hole
2008-02-14 17:56 < geniice> no if they get shot we will just have to update their articles
2008-02-14 17:57 < AzaTht> uh
2008-02-14 17:57 < Demi> eventually someone will get shot over wikipedia
2008-02-14 17:57 < AzaTht> that was really cold tone ツ
2008-02-14 17:57 < AzaTht> "Nah, whatever, if they get murdered, we have to update their articles..."
2008-02-14 18:00 < The359> you can't expect everyone to get broken up over another person's death, AzaTht
2008-02-14 18:00 < The359> You don't really see cops or someone like that getting upset over everyone that is murdered. They still have to do their job
2008-02-14 18:00 < AzaTht> The359: I was sarcastic
2008-02-14 18:01 < zero1328> Hard to detect sarcasm in text, keep that in mind
2008-02-14 18:01 < AzaTht> true
2008-02-14 18:02 < zero1328> sticking an emoticon in might help though
2008-02-14 18:02 < AzaTht> zero1328: and that I did
2008-02-14 18:02 < Alkivar> Darwin award waiting to happen: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000EX3N5C/metafilter-20
2008-02-14 18:02 < zero1328> didn't see anything...
2008-02-14 18:02 < AzaTht> Alkivar: haha
2008-02-14 18:03 < AzaTht> zero1328: ツ
2008-02-14 18:03 < zero1328> That's just a symbol to me?
2008-02-14 18:03 < zero1328> I mean with text.. like -_- or :P
2008-02-14 18:03 < AzaTht> it's text
2008-02-14 18:03 < AzaTht> it's 'tu' ツ
2008-02-14 18:04 < zero1328> ツ
2008-02-14 18:04 < AzaTht> katakana
2008-02-14 18:04 < Gracenotes> I can't watch O'Reilly without thinking of O'Brien from 1984. Gah, they're so similar >.<
2008-02-14 18:04 < AzaTht> though it resembles an smiley
2008-02-14 18:04 < zero1328> huh, odd.. the katakana came up as a symbol for me.. gotta change the font...
2008-02-14 18:05 < AzaTht> I see
2008-02-14 18:05 < AzaTht> yea, it happens for some sometimes
2008-02-14 18:05 < zero1328> "tsu" not "tu", btw
2008-02-14 18:06 < geniice> hmm any pics of the shooting on flickr?
2008-02-14 18:07 < AzaTht> zero1328: yea, missed the s, hadn't the energy to correct it
2008-02-14 18:07 < AzaTht> geniice: just deleted the copyvio
2008-02-14 18:07 < Scarian> Who's keeping an eye on the shooting article?
2008-02-14 18:07 < Scarian> It needs a prot.
2008-02-14 18:07 < zero1328> I should really go back to learning Japanese.. my to-do list goes back for several years
2008-02-14 18:08 < AzaTht> Scarian: think many eyes keeps track on it
2008-02-14 18:09 < Scarian> Yeah... it should be okay.
2008-02-14 18:10 < zero1328> ���？
2008-02-14 18:10 < zero1328> hm.. it all comes up as symbols
2008-02-14 18:10 < zero1328> strange...
2008-02-14 18:11 < AzaTht> not for me
2008-02-14 18:11 < geniice> AzaTht nothing on flickr since 2006
2008-02-14 18:11 < AzaTht> geniice: checked also, nothing
2008-02-14 18:12 < zero1328> hmmm... yeah, it's my font.. but I'm pretty sure courier new worked with kana before... :/
2008-02-14 18:12 < zero1328> well, time to find a new monospaced font
2008-02-14 18:14 < OverlordQ> fixedsys excelsior
2008-02-14 18:14 < OverlordQ> [[Fixedsys_Excelsior]] for the lazy
2008-02-14 18:14 < AzaTht> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2008_Northern_Illinois_University_shooting&curid=15759638&diff=191525254&oldid=191525232
2008-02-14 18:14 < zero1328> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixedsys_Excelsior for the super lazy
2008-02-14 18:15 < AzaTht> he had a simplee choice off summary there
2008-02-14 18:15 < zero1328> hm, this doesn't support asian text I think
2008-02-14 18:15 < OverlordQ> i saw what zero1328 pasted
2008-02-14 18:15 < Demi> your thingy should find a font that has the symbols, right?
2008-02-14 18:16 < AzaTht> DejaVu
2008-02-14 18:16 < Demi> by thingy, i mean font management code and or your IRC client (unless you use Trillian, like me, in which case you're a loser)
2008-02-14 18:16 < geniice> Infobox civilian attack I like it
2008-02-14 18:16 * OverlordQ litters #wikipedia with benzene rings ⌬⌬⌬⌬⌬⌬⌬⌬⌬⌬⌬
2008-02-14 18:16 < AzaTht> zero1328: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaVu_fonts
2008-02-14 18:17 < geniice> "call your parents as soon as posible?" what no uploading pics to wikipedia
2008-02-14 18:17 < zero1328> hm.. it's possible that my IRC client doesn't had font management code... it's a custom XChat version for Windows
2008-02-14 18:18 < AzaTht> zero1328: I'm using xchat, so no problem here ツ
2008-02-14 18:18 < zero1328> Well you're on Linux
2008-02-14 18:18 < zero1328> The Windows version is a 30 day trial.. so I'm using an unofficial version
2008-02-14 18:18 < AzaTht> ok
2008-02-14 18:19 < Leslie_S> why on earth is it that the xchat for linux is free, but the official windows xchat costs money?
2008-02-14 18:19 < Leslie_S> do they think that its easier to extort windows customers for paying for something they dont have to, or something?
2008-02-14 18:19 < zero1328> Apparently it's harder to compile
2008-02-14 18:19 < zero1328> and it uses a few windows features in it
2008-02-14 18:19 < zero1328> spellcheck, etc.. useless stuff
2008-02-14 18:19 < Leslie_S> zero1328 what ever happened to open source free software, and doing it because we want to?
2008-02-14 18:20 < zero1328> Leslie_S, why do you think I'm using a free version?
2008-02-14 18:20 < geniice> we don't do it because we want to. We do what we must because we can
2008-02-14 18:20 < zero1328> people opposed and made a few binaries
2008-02-14 18:20 < Leslie_S> zero1328 i understand that
2008-02-14 18:20 < Leslie_S> zero1328 i just dont see why anyone thought its a good idea
2008-02-14 18:20 < Leslie_S> zero1328 i especially like how they completely hide the fact that it costs money, until it just locks you out one day (like it did to me)
2008-02-14 18:20 * eth01 waves
2008-02-14 18:20 < Cyrius> oh son of a bitch
2008-02-14 18:20 < geniice> remeber if you find yourself in a school shooting take pics for wikipedia. Then run
2008-02-14 18:20 < Cyrius> " SCO Goes Private With $100 Million Backing"
2008-02-14 18:20 < zero1328> Yep, it locked me out two days ago
2008-02-14 18:20 < OverlordQ> Leslie_S: because the maintainer guy is a douchenozzle
2008-02-14 18:21 < Leslie_S> lol
2008-02-14 18:21 < bumm13> Cyrius: who is backing them?
2008-02-14 18:21 < geniice> Cyrius I fails to see a problem
2008-02-14 18:21 < Cyrius> "Stephen Norris Capital Partners"
2008-02-14 18:21 < Cyrius> "According to a statement from the company, SNCP already has a business plan for SCO that includes pursuing its legal claims."
2008-02-14 18:22 < geniice> so? they will lose again
2008-02-14 18:22 < Cyrius> it means they're not going to give up and die.
2008-02-14 18:22 < eth01> heh
2008-02-14 18:23 < geniice> Cyrius not it means it will take slightly longer
2008-02-14 18:24 < Clinton_08> Infornographer: you have numbers?
2008-02-14 18:25 < zero1328> ..huh... there's 6 DejaVu font packages... :S
2008-02-14 18:25 < WikiStalker> O_O
2008-02-14 18:25 < bumm13> none of my packages arrived today >:(
2008-02-14 18:27 < kazol> Are there admins here?
2008-02-14 18:28 < dungodung> admins of what wikipedia?
2008-02-14 18:28 < kazol> Wikimedia Commons
2008-02-14 18:28 < dungodung> oh. try #wikimedia-commons then
2008-02-14 18:28 < kazol> thanks
2008-02-14 18:28 < dungodung> (not that there are none in here, it's just that you'd have more luck there)
2008-02-14 18:28 < zero1328> IRC enquiries 101: Say where, and say what, don't ask for who, it's a waste of time
2008-02-14 18:29 < zero1328> We'll point you in the right direction either way
2008-02-14 18:29 < Demi> can someone help me with something? i want to make sure someone agrees to help me before i say what it is.
2008-02-14 18:30 < Demi> (that was an example of asking to ask and why it's not encouraged)
2008-02-14 18:30 < dungodung> I don't like that #wikipedia is the entry point for all sorts of things
2008-02-14 18:32 < zero1328> There has to be some entry point somewhere..
2008-02-14 18:33 < dungodung> why not #wikimedia
2008-02-14 18:34 < dungodung> otoh, #wikimedia is often the entry point for people looking for #mediawiki :\
2008-02-14 18:35 < geniice> "He walked into the center of a geology class and opened fire"
2008-02-14 18:35 < geniice> geology ? What did geology every do to anyone?
2008-02-14 18:36 < Demi> i suppose we'll find out in time
2008-02-14 18:36 < Cyrius> zero1328: helping people is like pulling teeth sometimes
2008-02-14 18:36 < geniice> Where are the free pics? don't all students have camera phones these days
2008-02-14 18:37 < CJMiller> hey
2008-02-14 18:37 < zero1328> I'm quite aware of that, Cyrius.. I've had my share
2008-02-14 18:37 < OverlordQ> well we could just redirect them to #wikimedia-tech ;)
2008-02-14 18:37 < zero1328> ���？
2008-02-14 18:38 < zero1328> hrm... DejaVu Sans Mono still gives symbols
2008-02-14 18:38 < zero1328> hm.. overall, DejaVu isn't working at all
2008-02-14 18:38 < zero1328> well that was a waste of time
2008-02-14 18:39 < DannyLilithborne> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=El_Salvador&curid=9356&diff=191529664&oldid=191529646
2008-02-14 18:39 < DannyLilithborne> weird
2008-02-14 18:40 < zero1328> it works everywhere -except- thsi IRC client's window... bleh
2008-02-14 18:41 < tessarakt> anyone watching the Bundesvision Song Contest?
2008-02-14 18:48 < CJMiller> hey all
2008-02-14 18:48 < CJMiller> I's back
2008-02-14 18:57 < OverlordQ> are there any pages/tools to list how many pages exist in a given category?
2008-02-14 19:17 < CJMiller> Netsplit?
2008-02-14 19:30 < Golbez> five fatalities at NIU
2008-02-14 19:30 < Scarian> On CNN?
2008-02-14 19:31 < Golbez> si
2008-02-14 19:31 < Cyrius> "18 shot, 5 dead including gunman, at Northern Illinois University"
2008-02-14 19:32 < Cyrius> <geniice> "He walked into the center of a geology class and opened fire"
2008-02-14 19:32 < Cyrius> <geniice> geology ? What did geology every do to anyone?
2008-02-14 19:33 < Scarian> Cyrius: What's the name of the article, friend?
2008-02-14 19:33 < Cyrius> what article?
2008-02-14 19:33 < Scarian> of the shooting
2008-02-14 19:34 < Cyrius> didn't look to see if there was one
2008-02-14 19:34 < Cyrius> [[2008 Northern Illinois University shooting]]
2008-02-14 19:34 < Cyrius> don't know why there's "2008" in it
2008-02-14 19:35 < The359> this Illini are always shooting each other up
2008-02-14 19:35 < Scarian> There's a discussion going on about it...
2008-02-14 19:35 < Scarian> Go chip in.
2008-02-14 19:35 < Scarian> It's fairly straightforward.
2008-02-14 19:36 < Scarian> Done.
2008-02-14 19:38 < autocracy> undeletion request: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:UsmHuskies.gif
2008-02-14 19:38 < geniice> I see kosavo is about to go independent. I think I speak for every wikipedian who knows about maps when I say "darn"
2008-02-14 19:38 < autocracy> might have forgotten fair use rational, though I was sure i got it fixed :-/
2008-02-14 19:38 < Cyrius> autocracy: I'm looking
2008-02-14 19:39 < Cyrius> autocracy: it was one of those "you've got to name the article" things
2008-02-14 19:40 < autocracy> Cyrius: meh. If you can load that back up, I can name the article
2008-02-14 19:40 < Cyrius> go for it
2008-02-14 19:42 < Ceogar> hey hey guys =D
2008-02-14 19:43 < The359> http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF245-Fire_Alarm.gif
2008-02-14 19:45 < Scarian> The359: That's funny :D
2008-02-14 19:45 < The359> of course it is, it's PBF
2008-02-14 19:46 < shimgray> geniice: you'd forgotten the traditional mapmaking solution?
2008-02-14 19:47 < shimgray> stick a giant asterisk in the Balkans, over about Sarajevo, and add a footnote saying "Please refer to daily papers for current borders"
2008-02-14 19:47 < geniice> tempting but I'm not sure it would go down too well
2008-02-14 19:48 < shimgray> still, it's nice. another period goes on the "years that can be uniquely identified by their maps" list
2008-02-14 19:49 < Doc_glasgow> shimgray: we could construct a wikimap, where the user can move the boundaries wherever they want
2008-02-14 19:49 < AzaTht> where is the line drawn between "shooting" and "massacre"?
2008-02-14 19:49 < shimgray> AzaTht: An extra 10,000 copies of the paper.
2008-02-14 19:50 < Doc_glasgow> AzaTht: if we like the victimsit is a massacre
2008-02-14 19:50 < AzaTht> hmm
2008-02-14 19:50 < AzaTht> victimsit?
2008-02-14 19:50 < Doc_glasgow> massacre should never be used - it is loaded
2008-02-14 19:50 < Doc_glasgow> pardon the bad pun :(
2008-02-14 19:51 < Doc_glasgow> really, I didn't mean to be flippant here
2008-02-14 19:51 < shimgray> (If you got arrested and had to pick up the garbage, though, that's a massacree.)
2008-02-14 19:51 < shimgray> really, it's just that one's a more emotive term than the other
2008-02-14 19:51 < AzaTht> though "shooting" doesn't imply victims
2008-02-14 19:52 < Doc_glasgow> "fatal shooting" does
2008-02-14 19:53 < Doc_glasgow> massacre is a tabloid cliche
2008-02-14 19:53 < Doc_glasgow> bit like -gate
2008-02-14 19:53 < shimgray> calling an event a shooting certainly implies there were victims
2008-02-14 19:53 < shimgray> because we're discussing it as an event
2008-02-14 19:54 < Scarian> Don't use the word "massacre"
2008-02-14 19:54 < Scarian> We don't know if it's another Columbine just yet.
2008-02-14 19:54 < shimgray> if you randomly name something - "the Pearl River shooting" - people will implicitly assume killing, simply because that's how we interpret the term when elevated to nominal status
2008-02-14 19:54 < Mike_H> What's the criteria for massacre? More than 20 shot?
2008-02-14 19:54 < Mike_H> :|
2008-02-14 19:54 < shimgray> (does that make sense?)
2008-02-14 19:54 < Scarian> Mike_H: Exactly... it's POV.
2008-02-14 19:54 < Mike_H> Scarian: I wasn't trying to prove your point...just the opposite, but okay
2008-02-14 19:54 < shimgray> Mike_H: "Selling more papers"...
2008-02-14 19:55 < AzaTht> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres
2008-02-14 19:55 < shimgray> massacre is a loaded, complex, and ill-defined - but very emotive - term
2008-02-14 19:55 < Scarian> Mike_H: Yeah, I understand :)
2008-02-14 19:55 < Mike_H> <NewsWire> Reuters: Five dead in Illinois university shooting: report - http://feeds.reuters.com/~r/reuters/topNews/~3/235264816/idUSKRA48086720080215
2008-02-14 19:56 < Scarian> I think "shooting" is fine.
2008-02-14 19:56 < Scarian> *"fine".
2008-02-14 19:56 < AzaTht> "The intentional killing of a considerable number of human beings under circumstances of atrocity or cruelty, or contrary to the usages of civilized people."
2008-02-14 19:56 * Mike_H NP: Elton John - Mama Can't Buy You Love (1979)
2008-02-14 19:56 < Doc_glasgow> AzaTht: that list is POV. Where are the massacres of Iraqi civilians by US millitary? Where is the napalming of Vietnam?
2008-02-14 19:56 < AzaTht> Doc_glasgow: they are not "massacres"
2008-02-14 19:56 < Doc_glasgow> I'd call hiroshima a massacre
2008-02-14 19:56 < Doc_glasgow> sure they are
2008-02-14 19:57 < AzaTht> Doc_glasgow: depends whom you ask ツ
2008-02-14 19:57 < The359> Massacres require at least 60 people
2008-02-14 19:57 < The359> [citation neeeded]
2008-02-14 19:57 < AzaTht> The359: that citation you will not find
2008-02-14 19:57 < The359> no shit
2008-02-14 19:57 < The359> it was a joke
2008-02-14 19:57 < AzaTht> but "shooting" sound so fuzzy
2008-02-14 19:57 < The359> fuzzy how?
2008-02-14 19:58 < The359> someone shot someone else
2008-02-14 19:58 < The359> seems clear to me
2008-02-14 19:58 < Mike_H> nothing says warm and fuzzy like a bullet. Glock, glock! Happy Valentine's!
2008-02-14 19:58 < Doc_glasgow> much more factual than massacre
2008-02-14 19:58 < AzaTht> The359: no, "shooting" implies someone shoots
2008-02-14 19:58 < AzaTht> not that he shoots someone
2008-02-14 19:58 < The359> massacre could be by stabbing
2008-02-14 19:58 < The359> gas
2008-02-14 19:58 < The359> anything
2008-02-14 19:58 < The359> explosion
2008-02-14 19:58 < Doc_glasgow> automic bombs
2008-02-14 19:58 < Brian_M> Wasn't there another shooting in the States?
2008-02-14 19:58 < Mike_H> AzaTht: I'm really not trying to be offensive, but English isn't your first language. "shooting" is a perfectly fine use.
2008-02-14 19:59 < AzaTht> Mike_H: :-P
2008-02-14 19:59 < missingno000> hi
2008-02-14 19:59 < Mike_H> AzaTht: sorry :< I was just trying to point it out
2008-02-14 19:59 < AzaTht> "An instance of shooting (a person) with a gun."
2008-02-14 19:59 < Mike_H> which...happened
2008-02-14 19:59 < Mike_H> like 15 times over
2008-02-14 19:59 < Doc_glasgow> English isn't most Wikipedians' first language, they are American ;)
2008-02-14 19:59 < AzaTht> then it would be shootings
2008-02-14 20:00 < Mike_H> AzaTht: No, "instance" means "event"
2008-02-14 20:00 < Mike_H> the shooting happened in just one event.
2008-02-14 20:00 < Mike_H> Now if he shot people
2008-02-14 20:00 < Mike_H> left
2008-02-14 20:00 < missingno000> hi
2008-02-14 20:00 < Mike_H> and came back
2008-02-14 20:00 < Mike_H> that would be shootings.
2008-02-14 20:00 < The359> for comparison
2008-02-14 20:00 < The359> the Virginia Tech article is named [[Virginia Tech massacre]]
2008-02-14 20:00 < Mike_H> and would also fall under "shootings" for all intents and purposes
2008-02-14 20:00 < Mike_H> as it was more than one event.
2008-02-14 20:00 < The359> but that involved a much higher death count
2008-02-14 20:01 < SonicAD> how about "murder rampage"?
2008-02-14 20:01 < Scarian> The359: We don't know the death toll just yet... not 100%
2008-02-14 20:01 < The359> dunno the motive yet, SonicAD
2008-02-14 20:01 < Scarian> More people could pass away.
2008-02-14 20:02 < The359> I doubt it'll hit 30+, Scarian
2008-02-14 20:02 < Scarian> The359: Ja, I agree...
2008-02-14 20:02 < Scarian> I think "shooting" could stay as a temporary fix...
2008-02-14 20:02 < Scarian> Until we know more and until consensus can take place.
2008-02-14 20:03 < AzaTht> Mike_H: is "shootout" better?
2008-02-14 20:03 < Mike_H> No.
2008-02-14 20:03 < Scarian> Shoot out implies more than one shooter...
2008-02-14 20:03 < Mike_H> Right.
2008-02-14 20:03 < The359> shootout implies to me shooters firing at each other
2008-02-14 20:03 < Mike_H> And in this case, the police shooting him dead would not deem the event a shootout. Only the end of the event.
2008-02-14 20:03 < The359> which technically did happen from what I heard
2008-02-14 20:03 < Scarian> Yes.
2008-02-14 20:04 < Scarian> Mike_H: What title would you prefer?
2008-02-14 20:04 < Mike_H> Scarian: "shooting"
2008-02-14 20:04 < AzaTht> so, what is it called when you just go and shoot multiple people?
2008-02-14 20:04 < Mike_H> AzaTht: "shooting"
2008-02-14 20:04 < nuba> I guess some of them die. never tried, tho.
2008-02-14 20:04 < Scarian> Yeah, it should stay "shooting"...
2008-02-14 20:04 < Mike_H> if we're going for loaded
2008-02-14 20:04 < Mike_H> I would also say "rampage"
2008-02-14 20:04 < AzaTht> rampage is good
2008-02-14 20:04 < Scarian> I would also agree to that...
2008-02-14 20:04 < Mike_H> not for POV it isn't
2008-02-14 20:04 < AzaTht> that's the word I was looking for
2008-02-14 20:05 < AzaTht> Mike_H: it's NPOV
2008-02-14 20:05 < Mike_H> it implies bloodthirsty rage, and while that may have occurred, we don't know why he shot those people.
2008-02-14 20:05 < nuba> rampage is bad. dont do it. bad. bad. bad.
2008-02-14 20:05 < The359> looking at CNN
2008-02-14 20:05 < The359> they're calling it "Valentine's Day Massacre"
2008-02-14 20:05 < Scarian> Ugh... Al Capone...
2008-02-14 20:05 < Mike_H> The359: so clever
2008-02-14 20:05 < The359> they also say 5 dead, 13 still injured
2008-02-14 20:05 < AzaTht> Then, "killings" then?
2008-02-14 20:05 < Scarian> You can't call it that.
2008-02-14 20:06 < Scarian> You have to be careful not to make it sensationalist...
2008-02-14 20:06 < AzaTht> I can't?
2008-02-14 20:06 < Scarian> AzaTht: I was referring to: "Valentine's Day Massacre"
2008-02-14 20:06 < Scarian> :)
2008-02-14 20:06 < AzaTht> We could go the Chinese way, call it an incident
2008-02-14 20:06 < Scarian> Too weak; doesn't suggest enough.
2008-02-14 20:07 < AzaTht> Scarian: you don't understand?
2008-02-14 20:07 < Scarian> AzaTht: It was a joke?
2008-02-14 20:07 < Scarian> As in... the Chinese Goverment calls things like this "incidents"?
2008-02-14 20:07 < AzaTht> Scarian: yes
2008-02-14 20:08 < AzaTht> or more an specific event
2008-02-14 20:08 < Scarian> I think "shooting" tells it all without being over the top.
2008-02-14 20:09 < AzaTht> Tiananmen Square Massacre internationally, Political Turmoil between Spring and Summer of 1989 in China
2008-02-14 21:00 < NotACow> MOO
2008-02-14 21:01 < quanticle> MOO
2008-02-14 21:01 < quanticle> er, QUACK
2008-02-14 21:01 < NotACow> SQUICK
2008-02-14 21:01 < quanticle> NotACow: Is that the sound of a dying giraffe?
2008-02-14 21:01 < NotACow> quanticle: uh, no :)
2008-02-14 21:02 < NotACow> so, does wikipedia have an article on Salvatore Rivieri yet?
2008-02-14 21:02 < quanticle> Be back after dinner.
2008-02-14 21:02 < Scarian> quanticle: Have a nice dinner!
2008-02-14 21:05 < Lubaf> "Do it? Dan, I'm not a Republic serial villain. Do you seriously think I'd explain my masterstroke if there remained the slightest chance of you affecting its outcome? I did it thirty-five minutes ago."
2008-02-14 21:19 < AzaTht> who is the gunman? who are the retards that write these articles without even mentioning the most important piece of info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.134.113 (talk) 02:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
2008-02-14 21:19 < The359> I'm pretty certain that hasn't been released?
2008-02-14 21:19 < AzaTht> stupid anons...
2008-02-14 21:21 < Scarian> Remove it for being a personal attack, AzaTht.
2008-02-14 21:21 < AzaTht> Scarian: not personal attack
2008-02-14 21:21 < Scarian> "who are the retards that write these articles..."
2008-02-14 21:21 < AzaTht> hmm, what's the other word
2008-02-14 21:21 < Scarian> That's us... :/
2008-02-14 21:21 < The359> calling people retards sounds pretty attack-y to me
2008-02-14 21:21 < AzaTht> The359: it's an attack, but not personal
2008-02-14 21:22 < Scarian> I'm gonna remove it.
2008-02-14 21:22 < Scarian> WP:BOLD
2008-02-14 21:22 < AzaTht> Defamation
2008-02-14 21:22 < Scarian> Done.
2008-02-14 21:24 < Scarian> Who is Cluebert?
2008-02-14 21:24 < Miranda> cluebot?
2008-02-14 21:24 < AzaTht> A cluestick named Bert
2008-02-14 21:25 < quanticle> Clue-by-four?
2008-02-14 21:25 < Scarian> User:Cluebert just warned thin air about NPA's...
2008-02-14 21:25 < Scarian> on the shooting article.
2008-02-14 21:25 < Miranda> hm...
2008-02-14 21:26 < NotACow> BERTSTICK
2008-02-14 21:26 < Scarian> I've also just removed a section for being off topic.
2008-02-14 21:26 < NotACow> Scarian: that's not very nice.
2008-02-14 21:26 < NotACow> Scarian: people have a right to talk about whatever they want.
2008-02-14 21:26 < Scarian> ...
2008-02-14 21:26 < NotACow> Scarian: you shouldn't be stepping on people's free speech rights like that
2008-02-14 21:26 < Scarian> I'm caught in a paradox...
2008-02-14 21:26 < Scarian> Do I follow Wikipedia guidelines...
2008-02-14 21:26 < Scarian> or...
2008-02-14 21:26 < Scarian> you...?
2008-02-14 21:27 < NotACow> Scarian: you shouldn't hang around docs like that.
2008-02-14 21:27 < NotACow> Scarian: i think you're confused about the meaning of the word "paradox"
2008-02-14 21:27 < Scarian> NotACow: Yes I believe so.
2008-02-14 21:27 < NotACow> wikipedia guidelines arae intended to be broken.
2008-02-14 21:27 < AzaTht> Scarian did ok
2008-02-14 21:27 < Scarian> NotACow: Sorry... I don't really want to argue.
2008-02-14 21:27 < NotACow> Scarian: yes, you do.
2008-02-14 21:28 < Scarian> No thank you.
2008-02-14 21:28 < NotACow> try harder.
2008-02-14 21:28 < NotACow> you'll thank me in the morning.
2008-02-14 21:28 < Scarian> Are you intoxticated, ma'am?
2008-02-14 21:28 < Scarian> *intoxicated
2008-02-14 21:29 < AzaTht> though only the cabal is allowed to decide on what's appropriate
2008-02-14 21:30 < quanticle> Scarian: Who's the intoxicated one here?
2008-02-14 21:30 < Scarian> quanticle: It doesn't matter... I'd prefer to keep quiet.
2008-02-14 21:35 < The359> OMG are you like...drunk yet? Because....I'm not. Yet.
2008-02-14 21:35 < The359> But I should be
2008-02-14 21:35 < The359> lolz
2008-02-14 21:37 < NedScott> who rikes templates?
2008-02-14 21:37 < NedScott> needs teh advice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Episode_list#Aux_order
2008-02-14 21:37 * Loooooooong_Cat likes loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong templates
2008-02-14 21:37 < NedScott> then you'll love this
2008-02-14 21:38 * The359 slices Loooooooong_Cat in half
2008-02-14 21:38 * Loooooooong_Cat regenerates like a starfish
2008-02-14 21:38 < Cyrius> oh great, now there's two of them
2008-02-14 21:41 * quanticle runs Loooooooong_Cat through a fine mesh.
2008-02-14 21:41 < quanticle> Loooooooong_Cats for everyone!
2008-02-14 21:41 < NedScott> snap
2008-02-14 21:41 < NedScott> we can make different long cats and make them collectable
2008-02-14 21:42 < NedScott> here's "train conductor loooong cat"
2008-02-14 21:42 < NedScott> and "business woman loooong cat"
2008-02-14 21:42 < quanticle> NedScott: Aircraft pilot Loooooooong_Cat ftw
2008-02-14 21:43 * NotACow is high on butterburger.
2008-02-14 21:44 < NedScott> I'm just wondering if this is too insane
2008-02-14 21:44 < NedScott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Episode_list/draft
2008-02-14 21:44 < suppiluliuma> whats a butterburger
2008-02-14 21:44 < NedScott> but I can't think of a better way to do it
2008-02-14 21:44 < NedScott> without making more than one template
2008-02-14 21:44 < NedScott> it's got that crazy upside-down R trick
2008-02-14 21:45 < NedScott> basically, parameters trigger things based on being there or not, instead of being listed or not
2008-02-14 21:45 < NedScott> since one of the objectives was to make it easy to customize
2008-02-14 21:45 < NedScott> and you wouldn't have to use placeholders, like blank spaces or dashes
2008-02-14 21:46 < quanticle> suppiluliuma: Its Culvers' signature dish...
2008-02-14 21:47 < NedScott> darn it people, what am I paying you for
2008-02-14 21:47 < NedScott> wait.. I'm not paying any of you
2008-02-14 21:47 < NedScott> well, -besides- sex
2008-02-14 21:49 < The359> I'm just in it for the anal fisting
2008-02-14 21:50 < NedScott> damn, I broke it again
2008-02-14 21:50 < NedScott> pppph
2008-02-14 21:50 < NedScott> ooh
2008-02-14 21:50 < NedScott> stupid me
2008-02-14 21:52 < Loooooooong_Cat> OMG
2008-02-14 21:52 < Loooooooong_Cat> http://www.hsquizbowl.org/regionals2008.html
2008-02-14 21:52 < Loooooooong_Cat> Any clue with Wikipedia as its only source: +$25
2008-02-14 21:53 < Loooooooong_Cat> wow, Matt was really out for blood with these guidelines
2008-02-14 21:53 < NedScott> hey, don't we have a cellphone interface or something
2008-02-14 21:53 < NedScott> for wikipedia
2008-02-14 21:54 < Loooooooong_Cat> Wikipedia reminder: Wikipedia is not a reliable source for meeting the stringent standards of factual accuracy which quizbowl questions must maintain. We will not accept any questions containing clues whose only source is Wikipedia. If you use Wikipedia in your question writing process, then you should cross-check each and every clue gleaned from any Wikipedia article with an established source. It will probably be more time
2008-02-14 21:54 < Loooooooong_Cat> to be fair, quiz bowl is the one place that legitimately expects 100% accuracy.
2008-02-14 21:56 < The359> srsly
2008-02-14 21:57 < kenlyric> replace "wikipedia" with "encyclopedia"
2008-02-14 21:58 < The359> replace Wikipedia with "The Internets"
2008-02-14 22:03 < bumm13> hiya AppleBoy
2008-02-14 22:05 < Leslie_S> anyone have an account on CQ weekly
2008-02-14 22:06 < quanticle> Leslie_S: CQ?
2008-02-14 22:06 * Mike_H pets AppleBoy
2008-02-14 22:07 < Leslie_S> congressional quarterly weekly
2008-02-14 22:07 < Leslie_S> and yes, its an oxymoron :P
2008-02-14 22:07 < Leslie_S> but i realllllllly need a copy of an article from it. im *supposed* to have access through my school, but it keeps asking me for a username/password (and i dont know it!)
2008-02-14 22:08 < Leslie_S> but if someone had an account and wanted to print it to a file for me... :)
2008-02-14 22:09 < Loooooooong_Cat> Mike_H - "And according to a big study from Norway published in The Journal of Sex Research in 2006, gay men also consume more porn than everyone else, making them more "partner-independent.""
2008-02-14 22:09 < Loooooooong_Cat> -- http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1704660-2,00.html
2008-02-14 22:10 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Hmmm. Let me see if I get access.
2008-02-14 22:10 * OverlordQ pokes SQLDb with a large stick
2008-02-14 22:10 * AppleBoy smacks Mike_H
2008-02-14 22:10 < AppleBoy> hi bumm13
2008-02-14 22:11 < quanticle> Leslie_S: I have access. Do you know the date of the article you want?
2008-02-14 22:12 < quanticle> Leslie_S: Volume/Issue numbers work too.
2008-02-14 22:13 < gwern> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dratz/1045336659/ <-- confusing
2008-02-14 22:13 * Therapist_Cat cuddles with gwern
2008-02-14 22:13 < quanticle> gwern: Heh.
2008-02-14 22:13 < quanticle> gwern: Its not a bug...
2008-02-14 22:13 < gwern> Therapist_Cat: your unwanted sexual advances only confuse me even more!
2008-02-14 22:14 * Therapist_Cat always like to cuddle afterwards
2008-02-14 22:14 < The359> benn Pro User says:
2008-02-14 22:14 < The359> "That's not a bug that's a feature" - IT Quote
2008-02-14 22:14 < The359> Posted 6 months ago. ( permalink )
2008-02-14 22:14 < The359> VW Beetle's are nicknamed Bugs, if that's what is confusing you, gwern
2008-02-14 22:15 * gwern sighs. I understand it perfectly
2008-02-14 22:15 * Krimpet lol'd
2008-02-14 22:15 < Leslie_S> ooh, i have an oppurtunity to volunteer for obamas campaign :D
2008-02-14 22:15 < gwern> It's a Bug, but it claims that 'it's not a bug, but a feature'; it exists in a state of verbal contradiction, which could be confusing
2008-02-14 22:15 * Therapist_Cat dumps gwern for Krimpet
2008-02-14 22:16 < Leslie_S> quanticle one sec, i'll get you the direct URL
2008-02-14 22:17 < quanticle> gwern: Its a joke. Just... let it go.
2008-02-14 22:17 < gwern> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/02/14/lol-marriage-proposal/#proposal <-- aw. very appropriate. hope she says yes
2008-02-14 22:17 < Leslie_S> quanticle http://library.cqpress.com/cqweekly/login.php?requested=%2Fcqweekly%2Fdocument.php%3Fid%3Dweeklyreport109-000001881052%26type%3Dhitlist%26num%3D9