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2008-02-13 23:30 < tgies> that is all
2008-02-13 23:30 < NotACow> tgies: hehe
2008-02-13 23:30 < NotACow> tgies: AVERAGE PENIS INSERTION TIME
2008-02-13 23:30 < tgies> lmao
2008-02-13 23:30 < celicni> is there any doctor awake?
2008-02-13 23:31 < Luna-San> tgies: I approve
2008-02-13 23:31 < Krimpet> tgies: good job with the non-gender-specificity. :)
2008-02-13 23:31 < White_Cat> FastLizard4|Food so I dont mind being whitelisted :)
2008-02-13 23:31 < Cyrius> "Our writers are back, and they are sexy who wrote this?"
2008-02-13 23:31 < FastLizard4|Food> White_Cat: You are now on the whitelist
2008-02-13 23:31 < White_Cat> who added me to the blacklist anyways?
2008-02-13 23:31 < FastLizard4|Food> [20:29:55] Added White_Cat to whitelist, "Trusted user on WP". Expires indefinite
2008-02-13 23:31 < FastLizard4|Food> White_Cat: I can find out, maybe
2008-02-13 23:31 < White_Cat> that would be nice :)
2008-02-13 23:31 < tgies> Krimpet: thanks :D
2008-02-13 23:32 < FastLizard4|Food> Dosen't say why since I removed you
2008-02-13 23:32 < FastLizard4|Food> Should have checked first
2008-02-13 23:32 < White_Cat> the bot should have it stored
2008-02-13 23:32 < White_Cat> I had a backup system built in against malicious manupilation of the list
2008-02-13 23:33 < White_Cat> if thats intact the bot operator can read it
2008-02-13 23:33 < noclip> has anyone done the bot-admin thing yet?
2008-02-13 23:33 < noclip> i remember it was being discussed
2008-02-13 23:33 < FastLizard4|Food> No, dosen't say
2008-02-13 23:33 < noclip> writing a bot that would make useful edits
2008-02-13 23:33 < White_Cat> noclip on commons we have such bots
2008-02-13 23:34 < noclip> so the operator could get admin status
2008-02-13 23:34 < noclip> then wreak havok
2008-02-13 23:34 * NotACow was writing one before she decided that wikipedia was pointlessly doomed
2008-02-13 23:34 * Krimpet hasn't "done" any bots. they're not my type. c.c
2008-02-13 23:34 < White_Cat> Krimpet check talk page
2008-02-13 23:35 < White_Cat> noclip not really a problem
2008-02-13 23:35 < White_Cat> blocking a rouge admin isnt that difficult
2008-02-13 23:35 < noclip> yeah, but it's a bot
2008-02-13 23:35 < noclip> you could have 50
2008-02-13 23:35 < neskaya> Krimpet: even the farscape type?
2008-02-13 23:35 < White_Cat> stoping 50 admins isnt that hard either
2008-02-13 23:36 < Lucifer_Cat> just unplug the damn thing
2008-02-13 23:36 < noclip> by unplugging the servers?
2008-02-13 23:37 < noclip> they wouldn't have to attack at the same time
2008-02-13 23:37 < noclip> you could just have a steady stream of [[Main Page]] defacements
2008-02-13 23:38 < celicni> could someone point me to the some channel with medical experts, PLEASE, i really nead an quick advice
2008-02-13 23:38 < noclip> celicni: you have aids
2008-02-13 23:38 < Luna-San> celicni: I'm not aware of such a channel on freenode, sorry
2008-02-13 23:38 < celicni> noclip: nope :)
2008-02-13 23:39 < Rinn> Lupus, then?
2008-02-13 23:39 < Messedrocker> celicni, a doctor may provide better advice
2008-02-13 23:39 < noclip> advanced testicular cancer
2008-02-13 23:39 < celicni> just mu mouth won't stop bleeding
2008-02-13 23:39 < celicni> so i need an advice how to stop it
2008-02-13 23:39 < noclip> you're going to die
2008-02-13 23:39 < noclip> seriously
2008-02-13 23:39 < Rinn> You shouldn't've tried to eat those nails.
2008-02-13 23:39 < celicni> and go to the doctor
2008-02-13 23:39 < Luna-San> celicni: Medical advice --> go to a doctor
2008-02-13 23:39 < noclip> i remember reading a thing on the roger ebert movie's vs. real life thing
2008-02-13 23:40 < noclip> if your mouth is bleeding and it's not a cut
2008-02-13 23:40 < noclip> you're dead
2008-02-13 23:40 < celicni> :)
2008-02-13 23:40 < noclip> *movies
2008-02-13 23:40 < Luna-San> It seems a bit hard to believe that 50 admin-vandal-bots would just come out of nowhere.
2008-02-13 23:40 < celicni> well clinic will open in 2 hours, and i wpuldn't like to go to the ER
2008-02-13 23:40 < Krimpet> some guy on WR was bragging a while back that he had 3 admin accounts
2008-02-13 23:40 < noclip> Luna-San: they wouldn't be vandal-bots
2008-02-13 23:41 < noclip> they'd be useful contributor-bots
2008-02-13 23:41 < noclip> they'd only vandalize after being adminned
2008-02-13 23:41 < celicni> one guy on sr.wiki had 4 admin accoubts
2008-02-13 23:41 < celicni> we had very much trouble blocking him)
2008-02-13 23:41 < tgies> i am all the admins
2008-02-13 23:41 < tgies> every single one
2008-02-13 23:41 < Luna-San> noclip: If somebody wants to invest months of bot development and reputation building into a few minutes of having "loldongs" on Main Page, I guess that's their problem. :p
2008-02-13 23:42 < NotACow> DONG DONG DONG
2008-02-13 23:42 < NotACow> Krimpet: i have 73 admin accounts, you know
2008-02-13 23:42 < Krimpet> dong-a-long-a-ding-dong?
2008-02-13 23:42 < Luna-San> La-li-lu-le-lo?
2008-02-13 23:43 < Rinn> They could theoretically flood the main page with child porn and then call the feds.
2008-02-13 23:43 < NotACow> Krimpet: i hired a group of people out of india to create admin accounts for me. they make five new ones a week.
2008-02-13 23:43 < tgies> man, you could probably even do that
2008-02-13 23:43 < Luna-San> Rinn: Hmm. That'd get interesting. Probably be oversighted and actually become a law enforcement issue, though.
2008-02-13 23:44 < noclip> celicni: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060528/GLOSSARY/60526001/1023
2008-02-13 23:44 < noclip> you're gonna die
2008-02-13 23:44 < Krimpet> NotACow: you could sell 'em on ebay and create a self-sustaining business!
2008-02-13 23:44 < tgies> which reminds me these days it seems like every other csd candidate is an article about a nn indian it company
2008-02-13 23:44 < NotACow> Krimpet: duh!
2008-02-13 23:44 < tgies> hahaha
2008-02-13 23:44 < NotACow> Krimpet: how do you think i pay them?
2008-02-13 23:44 < tgies> for sale by owner I AM A LEVEL 43 WIKIPEDIA ADMIN
2008-02-13 23:44 < Lucifer_Cat> csd candidate?
2008-02-13 23:44 < Krimpet> well, barnstars, maybe. people seem to love those
2008-02-13 23:44 < tgies> er
2008-02-13 23:44 < tgies> sd candidate, I should say
2008-02-13 23:45 < tgies> speedy deletion you know
2008-02-13 23:45 < Luna-San> tgies: But are you a Horde or Alliance admin?
2008-02-13 23:45 < Lucifer_Cat> and y are so many of them up for speedy deletion?
2008-02-13 23:45 < tgies> i don't know what that means but i have six barnstars and over 5000 main space edits
2008-02-13 23:45 < tgies> Lucifer_Cat: because they are not notable
2008-02-13 23:45 < Lucifer_Cat> ok
2008-02-13 23:46 < Krimpet> Luna-San: people could weasel their way into the inner circle of WR and sell those accounts for $$$ too.
2008-02-13 23:46 < noclip> hey, uh
2008-02-13 23:46 < celicni> noclip: i had f***ing gingivaectomy...
2008-02-13 23:46 < noclip> [[Goatse]] doesn't have any images, does it?
2008-02-13 23:46 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: hows the puzzle solver
2008-02-13 23:46 < Luna-San> tgies: Ah, those are the two main factions in WoW, one of the more popular MMOs currently.
2008-02-13 23:46 < tgies> oh yeah that's right
2008-02-13 23:46 < tgies> i knew i had heard that somewhere
2008-02-13 23:46 < Luna-San> Krimpet: Wonder how long it'd last, though. "My, Jimbo, you're acting a little funny today..."
2008-02-13 23:47 < tgies> my character class is wikiproject anime and manga
2008-02-13 23:47 < tgies> lmao
2008-02-13 23:47 < noclip> you know
2008-02-13 23:47 < noclip> if you do the random page test
2008-02-13 23:47 < Krimpet> Lucifer_Cat: almost got it. my CS4 professor pointed out I was using depth-first instead of breadth-search like I should have, which explains why it was ballooning in memory size by 10 MB each second. :)
2008-02-13 23:47 < noclip> you'll get anime after ~7 clicks
2008-02-13 23:47 < tgies> noclip: yeah uh
2008-02-13 23:47 < noclip> that's apalling
2008-02-13 23:48 < tgies> jimbo was on a show on NPR
2008-02-13 23:48 < tgies> and he saiddddd let me find the quote
2008-02-13 23:48 < celicni> noclip: and you might need medical assistance if you were looking for that page 5 minutes just to paste the link
2008-02-13 23:48 < celicni> :)
2008-02-13 23:48 < Rinn> Is this the public toilet quote?
2008-02-13 23:48 < Krimpet> noclip: I usually get players for some random British sport I've never heard of
2008-02-13 23:48 < Lucifer_Cat> Krimpet: thats y i dont let undergrads near my machines
2008-02-13 23:48 < tgies> "Wikipedia is really, really, really strong in the area of Japanese cartoon characters. And, if you push that 'random' button, I think about 33% of what you find in Wikipedia is Japanese cartoon characters"
2008-02-13 23:49 < noclip> only a slight exaggeration
2008-02-13 23:49 < Rinn> I usually just find articles about random towns or people.
2008-02-13 23:49 < tgies> "Not My Job: Wikipedia Founder Jimmy Wales". Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!. National Public Radio. 2006-11-04.
2008-02-13 23:49 < noclip> there are a lot of towns
2008-02-13 23:49 < noclip> and schools
2008-02-13 23:49 < noclip> i remember that show
2008-02-13 23:49 < noclip> he got every question wrong
2008-02-13 23:49 < tgies> http://wikipediareview.com/lofiversion/index.php?t4586.html
2008-02-13 23:49 < tgies> transcript of that interview here
2008-02-13 23:49 < tgies> yeah I was listening to it
2008-02-13 23:50 < Lucifer_Cat> all schools 3 things very well: 1. infinite loops, 2. inefficient code 3. memory leaks
2008-02-13 23:50 < tgies> and I laughed my ass off at the japanese cartoons thing, because that's exactly what I thought all along
2008-02-13 23:50 < noclip> actually
2008-02-13 23:50 < NotACow> Lucifer_Cat: you should write a program to detect infinite loops
2008-02-13 23:50 < Krimpet> '''Lord Elsington Hallstingdingdingworth''' is a [[badminton]] player from [[Podunk]], [[England]], etc. :P
2008-02-13 23:50 < noclip> if you look at words/topipc
2008-02-13 23:50 < noclip> *topic
2008-02-13 23:50 < noclip> i think you get an interesting figure
2008-02-13 23:50 < Rinn> 25 clicks and I didn't get any anime/manga characters.
2008-02-13 23:51 < noclip> like 50% of the words in en wp are in the anime articles
2008-02-13 23:51 < Rinn> I did get a Japanese kickboxer, though.
2008-02-13 23:51 < tgies> noclip: probably true
2008-02-13 23:51 < Luna-San> Don't forget non-articles. AfD debates and all that fun drama.
2008-02-13 23:51 < tgies> and many of them are absolutely horribly written
2008-02-13 23:51 < noclip> what i'm wodnering is
2008-02-13 23:51 < noclip> isn't most of this crap NN?
2008-02-13 23:51 < tgies> you know what's hilarious is [[glomp]]
2008-02-13 23:51 < tgies> 5 AfDs
2008-02-13 23:51 < tgies> and I think it's just finally now about to go
2008-02-13 23:52 < noclip> there was a huge fight over an article a year ago
2008-02-13 23:52 < Lucifer_Cat> NotACow: NotAFool
2008-02-13 23:52 < noclip> like 15 seperate afd's
2008-02-13 23:52 < tgies> welcome to the anime research foundation, doing business as Wikipedia
2008-02-13 23:52 < noclip> don't remember what article
2008-02-13 23:52 < tgies> man I swear AfDs tend to take longer to be closed these days
2008-02-13 23:53 < noclip> is there a category of salted pages?
2008-02-13 23:53 < Luna-San> Some of the very regular closers aren't as active as they used to be
2008-02-13 23:53 < noclip> first click of random page: [[Father Time (Marvel Comics)]]
2008-02-13 23:53 < Luna-San> noclip: Hmm... now that we can protect deleted pages, it comes to mind that there's no good way to find them.
2008-02-13 23:54 < noclip> second click, baseball player
2008-02-13 23:54 < noclip> third, a high school
2008-02-13 23:54 < noclip> fourth, a high school
2008-02-13 23:55 < noclip> fifth, a town in indiana
2008-02-13 23:55 < noclip> 6, high school ice hockey
2008-02-13 23:55 < barak4u> I need help..
2008-02-13 23:55 < noclip> 7, trinity hospice
2008-02-13 23:56 < noclip> there's way too much NN crap
2008-02-13 23:56 < OverlordQ> anybody got any idea how to fix this: [[Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Arkansas]]
2008-02-13 23:56 < OverlordQ> i'm sure it does that on a lot more pages then that, but that's just where I noticed it
2008-02-13 23:57 < noclip> that's a problem with the template
2008-02-13 23:57 < noclip> or the skin's css
2008-02-13 23:57 < OverlordQ> with the image source template?
2008-02-13 23:57 < noclip> or the template was sloppily designed for IE only
2008-02-13 23:57 < tgies> OverlordQ: you mean the template sitting like that? where's it supposed to sit?
2008-02-13 23:58 < OverlordQ> tgies: well in FF the image source box is molesting the category list
2008-02-13 23:58 < tgies> weird, is it? I don't have that problem here
2008-02-13 23:58 < tgies> ff3.0b3 win32
2008-02-13 23:58 < noclip> dammit, we need a bot to automatically afd every anime article as NN
2008-02-13 23:58 < noclip> those that survive should be allowed to live
2008-02-13 23:58 < noclip> all others should DIE
2008-02-13 23:59 < tgies> what you can do is slap {{clear}} either before or after it
2008-02-13 23:59 < tgies> that might fix it
2008-02-13 23:59 < tgies> noclip: i like the way you think
2008-02-13 23:59 < noclip> talk about laziness
2008-02-13 23:59 < noclip> @tgies
2008-02-13 23:59 < tgies> true
2008-02-13 23:59 < noclip> with the clear
2008-02-13 23:59 < noclip> not the afd
2008-02-13 23:59 < noclip> that's just efficiency
2008-02-13 23:59 < barak4u> I am trying to initiate a Hebrew Translate page on the Hebrew Wikipedia similar to Wikipedia:Translation on the english one... the problem is that the Hebrew Wikipedia administrators are affriad to implement new features...
2008-02-13 23:59 < tgies> yeah
2008-02-13 23:59 < bluefoxicy> so guys
2008-02-14 00:00 < tgies> if I saw it the same way you all do I'd take a stab at fixing it w/ css skillz
2008-02-14 00:00 < tgies> but I don't
2008-02-14 00:00 < barak4u> shouldn't there be a Wikipedia:Translation page on all the wikipedias in all the languages?
2008-02-14 00:00 < OverlordQ> tgies: http://i32.tinypic.com/iz86yx.jpg
2008-02-14 00:00 < bluefoxicy> I grounded one hand to the case of this thing and then felt up around a bridge rectifier on a ~1amp AC lead
2008-02-14 00:00 < bluefoxicy> (wel,l it might have been 6 amps)
2008-02-14 00:00 < bluefoxicy> with the other hand.
2008-02-14 00:00 < barak4u> any ideas?
2008-02-14 00:00 < tgies> funny, it doesn't do that for me.
2008-02-14 00:00 < bluefoxicy> Someone asked me why I'm still living
2008-02-14 00:00 < bluefoxicy> so I pulled out the multimeter, set it for 1k resistance check
2008-02-14 00:00 < tgies> bluefoxicy: i did almost exactly that once
2008-02-14 00:01 < tgies> it was fun
2008-02-14 00:01 < bluefoxicy> it reads over 100k
2008-02-14 00:01 < tgies> (note: not actually fun)
2008-02-14 00:01 < bluefoxicy> 100k x 1k == 100 megaohms
2008-02-14 00:01 < bluefoxicy> mind you, I had licked my fingers to wet them down before grabbing the meter's leads
2008-02-14 00:01 < noclip> i'm wondering but too lazy to check
2008-02-14 00:01 < bluefoxicy> good contact
2008-02-14 00:01 < bluefoxicy> I have a tenth of a gigaohm of internal resistance :D
2008-02-14 00:01 < noclip> does {{clear}} use <br clear blah blah blah?
2008-02-14 00:01 < tgies> what's the temperature coefficient on that
2008-02-14 00:01 < bluefoxicy> what the fuck circuit is actually going to use me for a ground path
2008-02-14 00:01 < noclip> or <span style="clear blah blah blah
2008-02-14 00:01 < tgies> what wattage can you dissipate
2008-02-14 00:01 < tgies> these are important figures
2008-02-14 00:02 < trainignday1> If I Study And Other person Just Watches Me Does He/She Learn Too? at least he/she can think that and be snob and hurt me if i try to be smart?
2008-02-14 00:02 < bluefoxicy> tgies: i don't know :)
2008-02-14 00:03 < FastLizard4|busy> tgies: {{-}} is <br clear="all"/>
2008-02-14 00:03 < tgies> i'm going to publish a full datasheet for myself
2008-02-14 00:03 < FastLizard4|busy> and so is {{clear}}
2008-02-14 00:03 < noclip> bah!
2008-02-14 00:03 < noclip> inefficient!
2008-02-14 00:03 < noclip> non-standards compliant!
2008-02-14 00:03 < noclip> burn the witch!
2008-02-14 00:03 < tgies> wow yeah that's pretty gross
2008-02-14 00:03 < tgies> i've actually never even SEEN clear="all"
2008-02-14 00:04 * FastLizard4|busy fires transphasic torpedoes at noclip
2008-02-14 00:04 < tgies> which is saying something because I renovated horrible horrible corporate websites for years
2008-02-14 00:04 < noclip> worse than clear all is the use of br
2008-02-14 00:04 < tgies> why hello there spacer.gif
2008-02-14 00:04 < OverlordQ> so any comments on how to keep that box from eating the category page? or just slap a {{clear}} on it, and hope other category pages aren't similarly eaten?
2008-02-14 00:04 < noclip> br clear is deprecated!
2008-02-14 00:04 < tgies> OverlordQ: let me look at it
2008-02-14 00:04 < noclip> at least in xhtml strict
2008-02-14 00:05 < tgies> it'd be nice if I knew why i'm not seeing it in firefox 3.0b2
2008-02-14 00:05 < tgies> what version are you using
2008-02-14 00:05 < tgies> er, b3
2008-02-14 00:05 < OverlordQ> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.12) Gecko/20080201 Firefox/2.0.0.12
2008-02-14 00:05 < noclip> tgies: firefox 3 has a bunch of rendering changes
2008-02-14 00:05 < noclip> it now passes the acid test
2008-02-14 00:05 < tgies> I didn't realize it had that many
2008-02-14 00:05 < tgies> oh that's right it does doesn't it.
2008-02-14 00:05 < tgies> stupid me
2008-02-14 00:05 < tgies> time to look at this code
2008-02-14 00:05 < tgies> template code always makes me cry
2008-02-14 00:05 < tgies> horrible horrible css and sloppy hackish html
2008-02-14 00:07 < noclip> gotta love the templates that use tables even when not presenting information in a tabular form
2008-02-14 00:07 < noclip> tables: because it's 1997
2008-02-14 00:09 < OverlordQ> grr, what's the WP: page that goes along the lines of "Just because other articles exist"
2008-02-14 00:09 < Mike_H> http://es.wikinews.org/wiki/La_Top_Model_Jaslene_Gonzalez_habla_sobre_su_carrera_y_sobre_su_rol_de_modelo_latina
2008-02-14 00:09 < Mike_H> :DD
2008-02-14 00:09 < Mike_H> Jaslene's interview translated to Spanish
2008-02-14 00:09 < tgies> OverlordQ: otherstuffexists?
2008-02-14 00:09 < OverlordQ> ahhhhhh
2008-02-14 00:09 < noclip> about firefox 3
2008-02-14 00:09 < OverlordQ> i need to make myself a cheat sheet :-/
2008-02-14 00:09 < noclip> i'm not moving to it
2008-02-14 00:10 < noclip> not when it lets google keep tabs on me
2008-02-14 00:11 < White_Cat> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/02/06
2008-02-14 00:11 < noclip> is there a "not every _____ is notable" WP: thing?
2008-02-14 00:11 < noclip> because seriously
2008-02-14 00:11 < noclip> every chemical element may be notable, but every interstate is most certainly not
2008-02-14 00:13 < tgies> overlordq does that one problematic template look right now
2008-02-14 00:13 < noclip> still horrid
2008-02-14 00:13 < tgies> fff
2008-02-14 00:13 < noclip> purge it
2008-02-14 00:13 < noclip> i can't be bothered to
2008-02-14 00:13 < noclip> but maybe it's just shoveling the cached version
2008-02-14 00:14 < tgies> that's done
2008-02-14 00:14 < White_Cat> noclip there is an entire rfar on it
2008-02-14 00:14 < White_Cat> I reccomend spending your energy on something else
2008-02-14 00:14 < tgies> try now
2008-02-14 00:14 < White_Cat> "not every _____ is notable" alienates the community
2008-02-14 00:14 < noclip> nope
2008-02-14 00:14 < White_Cat> just leave topics you dont care about alone
2008-02-14 00:14 < White_Cat> seriously
2008-02-14 00:14 < tgies> damn
2008-02-14 00:14 < noclip> White_Cat: it's not about making people feel good
2008-02-14 00:15 < noclip> it's about making an encyclopedia
2008-02-14 00:15 < White_Cat> its about writing an encyclopedia yes
2008-02-14 00:15 < tgies> the change I made shouldn't really have fixed anything anyway but i'm not about to assume that any browser's handling of css ever makes actual sense
2008-02-14 00:15 < White_Cat> and what you consider unnecesary is exactly the stuff we need
2008-02-14 00:15 < White_Cat> and the stuff I consider unnecesary is also the stuff we need
2008-02-14 00:15 < noclip> random high schools and interstates are not notable
2008-02-14 00:15 < White_Cat> my point is purging them has no benefit
2008-02-14 00:16 < tgies> i know the guy who is probably responsible for like half the interstates
2008-02-14 00:16 < White_Cat> noclip I will stop discussing this with you
2008-02-14 00:16 < NedScott> I needs some advicing
2008-02-14 00:16 < White_Cat> because we are better of agreeing to disagree
2008-02-14 00:16 < tgies> man float is such a stupid game
2008-02-14 00:16 < noclip> i can even almost agree with burning them having little benefit
2008-02-14 00:16 < noclip> but if you're going to say that, why have a notability policy at all?
2008-02-14 00:17 < White_Cat> noclip [[WP:N]] is intended against unimportant stuff
2008-02-14 00:17 < White_Cat> like family videos and such
2008-02-14 00:17 < NedScott> adding "DirectedBy" and "WrittenBy" parameters to the episode templates ([[Template:Episode list]]). Before people used Aux parameters. Other Aux parameters are used as well
2008-02-14 00:17 < NedScott> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ned_Scott/sandbox5&oldid=191355492
2008-02-14 00:17 < NedScott> there the aux (being english title) is -before- a WrittenBy
2008-02-14 00:17 < NedScott> which makes sense
2008-02-14 00:17 < White_Cat> noclip remember wikipedia isnt paper
2008-02-14 00:18 < noclip> i would argue that anime is pretty much the definition of unimportant
2008-02-14 00:18 < tgies> oh it's on now
2008-02-14 00:18 < tgies> you can't say that in #wikipedia
2008-02-14 00:18 < NedScott> but my current thinking is that normally WrittenBy would be after Aux
2008-02-14 00:18 < noclip> before it was off, but now it is so very on
2008-02-14 00:18 < Wafulz> anyone here literate in Russian/Belorussian?
2008-02-14 00:18 < Luna-San> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBeB81PPlng <-- do not call officers of the Baltimore PD "dude"
2008-02-14 00:18 < noclip> if anyone knows that reference
2008-02-14 00:18 < noclip> shame on you
2008-02-14 00:18 < White_Cat> noclip whats your definition of important?
2008-02-14 00:19 < NedScott> So should the template be DirectedBy | WrittenBy | Aux1 | Aux2 | Aux3
2008-02-14 00:19 < NedScott> or
2008-02-14 00:19 < White_Cat> anime was always popular in japan
2008-02-14 00:19 < tgies> since the beginning of time
2008-02-14 00:19 < NedScott> Aux 1 | DirectedBy | WrittenBy | Aux2 | Aux3
2008-02-14 00:19 < tgies> every single anime
2008-02-14 00:19 < Lucifer_Cat> unimportant: britney, lindsey, steriod users. important: getting a date for tonight
2008-02-14 00:19 < White_Cat> noclip and in the case of interstate roads - those sound pretty notable to me unlike individual streets
2008-02-14 00:20 < White_Cat> some random street in dullsvile does not need an article
2008-02-14 00:20 < noclip> White_Cat: nobody is going to care about obscure anime #375,553 in 50 years
2008-02-14 00:20 < White_Cat> its unimportant
2008-02-14 00:20 < White_Cat> noclip so?
2008-02-14 00:20 < noclip> it's a waste of effort
2008-02-14 00:20 < White_Cat> oh no
2008-02-14 00:20 < NedScott> actually
2008-02-14 00:20 < NedScott> in just 50 years
2008-02-14 00:20 < White_Cat> we dont write articles from a 50 years perspective
2008-02-14 00:21 < noclip> it could be spent improving the few anime articles that are notable
2008-02-14 00:21 < NedScott> I think people would still care
2008-02-14 00:21 < White_Cat> noclip think about world war 2
2008-02-14 00:21 < White_Cat> we dont care much about it today
2008-02-14 00:21 < NedScott> and, in 50 years time, hoping we are still around, there will be an assload of articles
2008-02-14 00:21 < NedScott> like, moreso
2008-02-14 00:21 < noclip> i would argue against that
2008-02-14 00:21 < White_Cat> that doesnt mean we shouldnt write about it?
2008-02-14 00:21 < tgies> major wars now comparable to animes
2008-02-14 00:21 < NedScott> and we'll have more sources
2008-02-14 00:21 < Luna-San> A select few animus might survive 50 years. The bulk will probably be long forgotten.
2008-02-14 00:21 < NedScott> so every person might have an article
2008-02-14 00:21 < NedScott> or something
2008-02-14 00:21 < NedScott> so many that it won't even be a big deal
2008-02-14 00:22 < Luna-San> Think of it liks oldies music. Most of the songs from that age are long forgotten, allowing the best to rise to the top and survive.
2008-02-14 00:22 < White_Cat> noclip having an article on an anime occupies trivial amount of hard drive space
2008-02-14 00:22 < noclip> that's not an encyclopedia
2008-02-14 00:22 < Luna-San> *like
2008-02-14 00:22 < noclip> that's a list of everything
2008-02-14 00:22 < tgies> the gene for being obsessed with anime will be naturally deselected
2008-02-14 00:22 < noclip> it's not about hard drive space
2008-02-14 00:22 < tgies> i shouldn't have to explain this
2008-02-14 00:22 < White_Cat> noclip you want to work for britanica then not wikipedia
2008-02-14 00:22 < White_Cat> whats the point of wikipedia if it will only cover a duplicate of britanica?
2008-02-14 00:23 < NedScott> it's all about sources and not popularity
2008-02-14 00:23 < Luna-San> And more to the point, our masses of animu writers aren't suddenly going to become interested in Roman history just because we delete a few pages. >.>
2008-02-14 00:23 < noclip> there are many things britanica doesn't cover that WP does and should
2008-02-14 00:23 < White_Cat> noclip it may bery well be a waste of time but its the peoples time to waste
2008-02-14 00:23 < NedScott> I used to watch the [[Sky Girls]] article
2008-02-14 00:23 < NedScott> horible show
2008-02-14 00:23 < NedScott> I hate it
2008-02-14 00:23 < Ceiling_Cat> This tool is *NEAT*
2008-02-14 00:23 < NedScott> but when no one else watched it, I watched it
2008-02-14 00:23 * Ceiling_Cat is having fun
2008-02-14 00:23 < NedScott> the article that is
2008-02-14 00:23 < NotACow> popular sources.
2008-02-14 00:23 < NedScott> I mean, holy crap, this show is bad
2008-02-14 00:24 < White_Cat> noclip I dont like the concept of a few individuals dictate what I can write and article on and what I cant
2008-02-14 00:24 < NedScott> the OVA wasn't too bad, but the actual show
2008-02-14 00:24 < Ceiling_Cat> At my request, Bryan created a tool on the toolserver for searching for oggs
2008-02-14 00:24 < NedScott> nice
2008-02-14 00:24 < White_Cat> [[WP:N]] isnt a tool to harrass and annoy people
2008-02-14 00:24 < NotACow> oggs, or eggs?
2008-02-14 00:24 < Ceiling_Cat> (because the organizational scheme on Commons sucks)
2008-02-14 00:24 < Lucifer_Cat> http://qdb.us/121156
2008-02-14 00:24 < NotACow> White_Cat: all wikipedia policy is a tool to harass and annoy
2008-02-14 00:24 < Ceiling_Cat> You have no idea the kind of stuff I'm finding
2008-02-14 00:24 * NedScott blushes
2008-02-14 00:24 < NotACow> Lucifer_Cat: haha
2008-02-14 00:24 < NedScott> or have you not found that sound file yet
2008-02-14 00:24 < White_Cat> which is exactly what happens when people are unnecesarily pestered by WP:N to the word and NOT to the spirit
2008-02-14 00:24 * NotACow goes to bed
2008-02-14 00:25 < White_Cat> NotACow can you please troll another civilization?
2008-02-14 00:25 < White_Cat> On a second thought I withdraw the request.
2008-02-14 00:25 * Lucifer_Cat watches White_Cat
2008-02-14 00:25 < White_Cat> I couldn't bear the responsibility of inflicting such damage on two civiliations.
2008-02-14 00:25 < Cyrius> White_Cat: I was going to say =)
2008-02-14 00:25 < Lucifer_Cat> he just laughed at something i posted... better not mess with him. hes disturbed.
2008-02-14 00:25 < White_Cat> Cyrius spock versus q?
2008-02-14 00:25 < noclip> what this channel needs is more drama
2008-02-14 00:26 < Cyrius> eh?
2008-02-14 00:26 < NedScott> more cowbell
2008-02-14 00:26 < White_Cat> its a quote I caught from that comedy
2008-02-14 00:26 < Lucifer_Cat> Malkovich malkovich malkovich Malkovich. Malkovich malkovich malkovich malkovich. MALKOVICH!!!
2008-02-14 00:26 < NedScott> you know we have an article on "More cowbell"
2008-02-14 00:26 < NedScott> and it's pretty good
2008-02-14 00:26 < White_Cat> or was it Q versus Spock?
2008-02-14 00:27 < FastLizard4|busy> Who's Malkovich? Am I missing something?
2008-02-14 00:27 < White_Cat> Cyrius its pretty funny
2008-02-14 00:28 < White_Cat> you ought to buy it or download it :)
2008-02-14 00:28 < SeraResbotronic> Dramatic.
2008-02-14 00:28 < Cyrius> I have no idea what you're talking about
2008-02-14 00:28 < White_Cat> Cyrius I suppose not
2008-02-14 00:29 < White_Cat> Cyrius http://www.amazon.com/Spock-Vs-Cd-Leonard-Nimoy/dp/0671045830
2008-02-14 00:29 < Ceiling_Cat> there's a surprising amount of spanish language rock on commons
2008-02-14 00:29 < Ceiling_Cat> I've found half-a-dozen tracks in my (*tiny*) sampling
2008-02-14 00:30 < White_Cat> Only 1 left in stock...
2008-02-14 00:30 < noclip> this should lighten the mood around here
2008-02-14 00:30 < noclip> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs
2008-02-14 00:30 < noclip> it's hilariously awful
2008-02-14 00:30 < NedScott> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Episode_list#Aux_order
2008-02-14 00:31 < NedScott> zomg, CANVASSING
2008-02-14 00:31 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: can you speak Italian?
2008-02-14 00:31 < harpette> is it feasible to upload an image directly into my user page?
2008-02-14 00:31 < Ceiling_Cat> Mike_H - only the important words (stop, sit down, shut up, eat)
2008-02-14 00:31 < Ssj7NinjaPirate> You're not allowed to canvas in arazona.
2008-02-14 00:31 < Ssj7NinjaPirate> =(
2008-02-14 00:31 < Ssj7NinjaPirate> Arizona too.
2008-02-14 00:32 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: haha, why is "eat" #4?
2008-02-14 00:32 < Mike_H> You're Italian, shouldn't that be #1?
2008-02-14 00:32 < SeraResbotronic> Eat your heart out
2008-02-14 00:32 < Ceiling_Cat> :)
2008-02-14 00:32 < Ssj7NinjaPirate> Alright.
2008-02-14 00:32 < Ssj7NinjaPirate> I will.
2008-02-14 00:32 < Ssj7NinjaPirate> And it'll be delicious.
2008-02-14 00:32 < NedScott> because you need to do the other 3 first
2008-02-14 00:33 < OverlordQ> harpette: you . . . can't?
2008-02-14 00:33 < noclip> "zombie goasts leave this place"... gold
2008-02-14 00:34 < Ceiling_Cat> dude, I love this tool :)
2008-02-14 00:34 < harpette> OverlordQ: i've never done it, it looks like ti'll upload it in a designated, central, repository
2008-02-14 00:34 < NedScott> I love my tool too
2008-02-14 00:34 < OverlordQ> what tool?
2008-02-14 00:34 < Ceiling_Cat> http://tools.wikimedia.org/~bryan/ogg/
2008-02-14 00:34 < NedScott> well.. I wasn't going to show it in public..
2008-02-14 00:34 < harpette> OverlordQ: Special:upload
2008-02-14 00:34 < Ceiling_Cat> Bryan made me a tool for searching for oggs on commons
2008-02-14 00:34 < NedScott> ooooh, you're talking to him..
2008-02-14 00:34 < NedScott> heh.. heh..
2008-02-14 00:34 < OverlordQ> harpette: yea I know about uploads. I'm saying you can't upload into your user namespace
2008-02-14 00:35 < Ceiling_Cat> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:08_5Mala_Alkasaat.ogg <-- I just discovered this
2008-02-14 00:35 < harpette> OverlordQ: oh, OK
2008-02-14 00:35 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat is this tool publicaly available
2008-02-14 00:35 < White_Cat> I want to purge unfree oggs
2008-02-14 00:35 < NedScott> CC: wouldn't a google search find it too?
2008-02-14 00:35 < OverlordQ> also keep in mind that wikipedia isn't a web host :)
2008-02-14 00:35 < NedScott> no wait, it wouldn't
2008-02-14 00:35 * FastLizard4|busy is going to bed now, good night!
2008-02-14 00:35 < NedScott> because the address that ends in .ogg isn't the file itself
2008-02-14 00:35 < NedScott> that would probably confuse things
2008-02-14 00:36 < NedScott> and you would get the really long url results
2008-02-14 00:36 < Ceiling_Cat> NedScott - no, google does not have the ability to filter by category
2008-02-14 00:36 < Ceiling_Cat> or length
2008-02-14 00:36 < NedScott> ooooh
2008-02-14 00:36 < NedScott> now I see why you're so happy
2008-02-14 00:36 < Ceiling_Cat> or to seperate audio from video
2008-02-14 00:36 < NedScott> dang
2008-02-14 00:37 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat well?
2008-02-14 00:38 < noclip> we should really use the snow codec instead of theora
2008-02-14 00:38 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat which one is the largest ogg btw and who uploaded it?
2008-02-14 00:38 < noclip> or dirac
2008-02-14 00:38 < noclip> dirac's supposed to give the quality of mpeg4avc without the patents
2008-02-14 00:38 < Ceiling_Cat> noclip - the solution to using one not-very-well-known-or-supported codec is NOT to use a less-well-known one
2008-02-14 00:39 < noclip> there's a java player
2008-02-14 00:39 < Ceiling_Cat> which reminds me
2008-02-14 00:39 < Ceiling_Cat> does *ANYONE* if ffmpeg2theora has a bugzilla?
2008-02-14 00:39 < noclip> it did
2008-02-14 00:39 < Ceiling_Cat> if so, what the URL is. If not, who do I contact about bug reports and features?
2008-02-14 00:39 < noclip> but it collapsed into a cosmic singularity
2008-02-14 00:41 < Ceiling_Cat> grrr.... mental note: Murder any wikinewsie who doesn't properly name or tag his files
2008-02-14 00:41 < Ceiling_Cat> [[Image:12-03-2005-1900.ogg]] <-- like this
2008-02-14 00:41 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat we cant rename files so I cry
2008-02-14 00:41 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat: http://directory.fsf.org/project/ffmpeg2theora/
2008-02-14 00:42 < White_Cat> which links to http://v2v.cc/~j/ffmpeg2theora/download.html
2008-02-14 00:42 < Ceiling_Cat> White_Cat - GREAT!
2008-02-14 00:42 < White_Cat> no
2008-02-14 00:42 < White_Cat> last news was on 2007-11-31
2008-02-14 00:43 < White_Cat> so I dont know how helpful that is
2008-02-14 00:43 < White_Cat> that supposed to be the official page
2008-02-14 00:44 < SeraResbotronic> !1!111
2008-02-14 00:45 < Ceiling_Cat> oh snap
2008-02-14 00:45 < Ceiling_Cat> "add postprocessing filters, denoise, deblock, dering"
2008-02-14 00:45 < Ceiling_Cat> could it be they finally added rotate?
2008-02-14 00:49 < OverlordQ> Can I get somebody with a bit more experience to comment on [[Talk:PromoteMySong]]
2008-02-14 00:55 < noclip> bahahahaha
2008-02-14 00:55 < noclip> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF2FInrSwCA
2008-02-14 01:08 < NedScott> oh nice, catscan is working again
2008-02-14 01:09 < Luna-San> Even better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX16KHpGlQE
2008-02-14 01:09 < Luna-San> HL1 and 2 in sixty seconds.
2008-02-14 01:09 < White_Cat> Ceiling_Cat, fell off the ceiling?
2008-02-14 01:09 < White_Cat> Luna-San 60?
2008-02-14 01:10 < Luna-San> Yep
2008-02-14 01:10 < White_Cat> Luna-San it skips the clif
2008-02-14 01:11 < White_Cat> god I hated the clif
2008-02-14 01:11 * White_Cat tosses Luna-San off the clif
2008-02-14 01:12 < Luna-San> Heh, I thought that was a very interesting part. But I could see hating it, totally.
2008-02-14 01:12 < White_Cat> oh it was interesting
2008-02-14 01:12 < White_Cat> but I developed a fright of heights
2008-02-14 01:13 < White_Cat> most boring part was definately the labda core labyrenth
2008-02-14 01:13 < White_Cat> *lamda
2008-02-14 01:13 < Luna-San> Yeah.
2008-02-14 01:13 < White_Cat> Luna-San in fact I despized it
2008-02-14 01:13 < White_Cat> xen was disapoiting
2008-02-14 01:13 < Luna-San> Most of the jumping puzzles on Xen for me were nothing more than massive bouts of quicksave/loading
2008-02-14 01:14 < White_Cat> I mean the alien world was so straight forward
2008-02-14 01:14 < White_Cat> no dead ends
2008-02-14 01:14 < White_Cat> as if its a coridor
2008-02-14 01:14 < White_Cat> no puzzles
2008-02-14 01:14 < White_Cat> xen wasnt well thought at all
2008-02-14 01:14 < White_Cat> opfor was better
2008-02-14 01:14 < White_Cat> when it comes to xen
2008-02-14 01:14 < NedScott> you think making a lot of links to http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php is bad?
2008-02-14 01:15 < NedScott> it takes a while as it is
2008-02-14 01:15 < NedScott> I wonder what would happen if a lot of people suddenly started using it
2008-02-14 01:15 < NedScott> more so
2008-02-14 01:15 < White_Cat> NedScott oh thats simple
2008-02-14 01:15 < White_Cat> toolserv would die
2008-02-14 01:15 < White_Cat> it happened before
2008-02-14 01:15 < White_Cat> many times
2008-02-14 01:16 < NedScott> huh, somehow [[Marvel Universe Online]] was found in a subcat of the anime project
2008-02-14 01:17 * NedScott follows the path
2008-02-14 01:20 < White_Cat> Luna-San: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV5DifemxHo&feature=related
2008-02-14 01:23 < NedScott> I'm wondering if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Catscan would be a problem
2008-02-14 01:27 < Cometzzz> wwo 2 worst enemies talking ;0
2008-02-14 01:27 < Cometzzz> wow*
2008-02-14 01:27 < NedScott> ?
2008-02-14 01:27 < White_Cat> Luna-San: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTUOn2EUFhk&feature=related
2008-02-14 01:28 < NedScott> Cometzzz: it's sort of a "this is this, that is that" kind of thing
2008-02-14 01:29 < Cometzzz> O_O
2008-02-14 01:29 * Cometzzz expires...again
2008-02-14 01:30 * Ceiling_Cat huggles Cometzzz
2008-02-14 01:30 < Ceiling_Cat> I've decied something
2008-02-14 01:30 < Ceiling_Cat> I want someone to redesign my user page
2008-02-14 01:30 < Ceiling_Cat> pimp it out a bit
2008-02-14 01:31 < Mark_Ryan> let me do it, Ceiling_Cat!
2008-02-14 01:32 < Ceiling_Cat> Mark - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mark&diff=62130293&oldid=49457375
2008-02-14 01:32 < Ceiling_Cat> :P
2008-02-14 01:34 < Mike_H> Mark_Ryan: so Wikinews is doing another big interview :DD
2008-02-14 01:34 < Mark_Ryan> Mike_H, is it a contestant on America's Next Top Model?
2008-02-14 01:34 < Mike_H> no.
2008-02-14 01:34 < Mike_H> and don't be snarky, this is actually a good interview for me to get.
2008-02-14 01:35 < Ceiling_Cat> damn, what I really need is a better way of recruiting people to help in my various wiki activities
2008-02-14 01:35 < Mike_H> I'm interviewing multiple soap stars :o
2008-02-14 01:35 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm very good at putting together cool new projects
2008-02-14 01:35 < Ceiling_Cat> but then end up having to do all the work myself :(
2008-02-14 01:35 < Ceiling_Cat> Lately I've decided to try to fix this. So I started the free music project
2008-02-14 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> and this week I got a half-dozen other people onto the photo submission project
2008-02-14 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> and a couple months ago I shanghai'd Sandy into being my FAC deputy
2008-02-14 01:36 < Ceiling_Cat> :P
2008-02-14 01:36 < Mike_H> Mark_Ryan: Y&R's 35th anniversary is next month. I'm requesting to put in interviews for 12 different stars for a large retrospective.
2008-02-14 01:36 * Ceiling_Cat starts the Raul help-wanted ads
2008-02-14 01:39 < NedScott> well that's not good
2008-02-14 01:39 < NedScott> my image icons have have moz firebird on them
2008-02-14 01:39 < NedScott> o.O
2008-02-14 01:39 < Ceiling_Cat> you know what, come to think of it
2008-02-14 01:39 < Ceiling_Cat> that's not a bad idea, actually
2008-02-14 01:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Lulz]
2008-02-14 01:44 < Ceiling_Cat> as seen on slashdot:
2008-02-14 01:44 < Ceiling_Cat> Exactly. I'm Jewish and I've gone to sites to read Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries.
2008-02-14 01:44 < Ceiling_Cat> That doesn't make me a white-supremacist, just someone who thinks its important to understand your enemies.
2008-02-14 01:44 < Ceiling_Cat> reply: That's the exact rationale I used to download the Paris Hilton sex tapes.
2008-02-14 01:48 < Mark_Ryan> Ceiling_Cat, done
2008-02-14 01:49 * Mark_Ryan leaves the room very quickly
2008-02-14 01:49 < Mike_H> Britney Spears secretly married her boyfriend Abu Ghraib in Mexico. Sorry guys, she's off the market.
2008-02-14 01:50 * brown_cat hangs off Mark_Ryan
2008-02-14 01:51 * brown_cat cuddles Rinn
2008-02-14 01:52 < Mark_Ryan> hi brown_cat
2008-02-14 01:52 < brown_cat> heya
2008-02-14 01:52 < Ceiling_Cat> Mark_Ryan - lulz
2008-02-14 01:52 * brown_cat can't wait till tomorrow -_-
2008-02-14 01:53 < Mark_Ryan> brown_cat: swimming carnival?
2008-02-14 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> Mark_Ryan - that's another thing
2008-02-14 01:53 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: no, that's on tuesday, luckily I have a dentist appointment :)
2008-02-14 01:53 * Mark_Ryan takes a wild stab at what could be on on a friday during the school term that could be that exciting
2008-02-14 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> I really need to update my pic
2008-02-14 01:53 < Ceiling_Cat> It doesn't show my goatee
2008-02-14 01:53 < Mark_Ryan> you have a goatee? ew
2008-02-14 01:54 < Mark_Ryan> brown_cat: so what is on tomorrow?
2008-02-14 01:54 < Ceiling_Cat> oh I love my goatee. If the Star Trek Theroem holds, the goatee makes me evil :)
2008-02-14 01:54 < brown_cat> Mark_Ryan: nothing, it is closer to saturday :p also, on friday, I have 3 computing classes so, it is in computer labs, nice and cool (also, I know more then the teacher - he didn't know what youtube or myspace is!)
2008-02-14 01:55 < Mike_H> Ceiling_Cat: you can never escape looking like Tony Orlando
2008-02-14 01:56 < Ceiling_Cat> Tony Orlando has a mustache, not a goatee
2008-02-14 01:57 * Ceiling_Cat has a van dyke
2008-02-14 01:57 < Mike_H> ew.
2008-02-14 01:58 < Ceiling_Cat> dear lord, what does this channel have against facial hair?
2008-02-14 01:58 < Mike_H> nothing, if you don't look like Tony Orlando to begin with
2008-02-14 01:58 < Ceiling_Cat> what I really want is a fu manchu
2008-02-14 01:59 < Ceiling_Cat> but it'll take 30 years to grow a really good one
2008-02-14 02:00 < brown_cat> Ceiling_Cat: van dyke is the last name of my science teacher O_O
2008-02-14 02:00 < Ceiling_Cat> brown_cat - it's a common dutch name
2008-02-14 02:00 < Ceiling_Cat> see [[Van Dyke]]
2008-02-14 02:00 * brown_cat thought it meant "lesbian bimbo"
2008-02-14 02:00 < Ceiling_Cat> possibly the longest disambig page on wikipedia for a proper name
2008-02-14 02:01 < Mike_H> Penis Van Lesbian
2008-02-14 02:01 < brown_cat> xD
2008-02-14 02:02 < Ceiling_Cat> by the way: http://www.arl.army.mil/www/default.cfm?Action=17&Page=239&TRAction=GetAbstract&ReportID=1527&Topic=TechnicalReports&Year=2007&txttype=year&txt=none
2008-02-14 02:02 < Ceiling_Cat> My first actual publication :)
2008-02-14 02:02 < Ceiling_Cat> I'm also writing my masters thesis on the same work. I got it up to 70 pages today
2008-02-14 02:04 < Ceiling_Cat> oh, and my academically-compulsive nature (which I credit Wikipedia for) saved our collective asses
2008-02-14 02:05 < Ceiling_Cat> I insisted on putting the source code for the reference implementation in the appendicies. It's a good thing I did, because it saved us *a lot* of headaches later on when I wanted to collect the source code and put it on the internet
2008-02-14 02:05 < brown_cat> Ceiling_Cat: what are you studying?
2008-02-14 02:05 < Ceiling_Cat> brown_cat - parallel computing